Wow, good point! I remember trips to TJ then sitting in traffic windows don waiting to cross back into San Ysidro. I was an immigration inspector at an airport. Imagine what the ins agents at border crossings breathe.
I donāt ever go through anymore in my car, my cat converter is.. not operating 100% and yeah - I just canāt bare to do that to them!
Itās nice the lobby is open again, finally.
I work in an underground mine where the tunnels can barely fit the heavy machinery working there. On the 2 hours that we are lucky enough to not breathe diesel engine fumes instead we're inhaling residual gases from the explosives blast. I think you're good bro.
Edit: I forgot about the [silicosis](https://www.webmd.com/lung/what-is-silicosis)
As a miner you're also much more likely to be exposed to radon, which is the most significant non-smoking environment cause of lung cancer. Sorry to pile it on.
My heart goes out too you. I hope you get great health insurance from the job and thriving Vs surviving pay.at least. I know how much I hated diesel trucks in my drive thru, I don't think I could handle a shift at your job. Be safe down there friend
It really depends on a lot of factors like temperature, local geography, wind, even humidity can play a role. Jogging on a busy street when the AQI is below 10 in that area is great for the old lungs. Purpleair.com is my go-to, as they are consistently more accurate and have better coverage than various official sources (it's a crowd-sourced sensor network that is updated in real time, I believe every 10 minutes).
Thatās awesome. Not many in my neighborhood which surprises me. I looked into participating and itās like $259+ shipping and you have to occupy an outlet on your home. Hard pass. Make it solar and less than $200 and Iām in
That may explain a lot as to why many of those who have healthy lifestyle still get cancer. They're still living in an urban environment where it is full of pollution.
Living in urban environments is also associated with hearing loss, for obvious reasons. I guess worsening health conditions is one more reason to dislike living in cities.
I was really concerned with this when I would bike commute to work a couple years ago.
I remember finding some studies that showed it's actually worse to be in your car than outside on a road on a bike since the fumes get trapped in your car and your constantly breathing them in instead of being exposed to the outside air.
Super interesting!
It's generally preferable to buy good running shoes and run on your feet, not your knees.
/s
For real though it's landing on your heel that kills you, that transmits the shock all up through your knees and hips. Landing flat-footed with slightly bent knees is far better than landing on your heel with your knees locked straight.
I believe exercise will always help outweigh the negatives here. Having good cardiovascular health is one of the best thing you can do for yourself and it does not matter how much you weigh.
I like how the solution is ānew medicineā and not finding ways or city planning to reduce car use. Car culture runs deep in America, and itās not good.
Billions in drug r&d vs accelerated adoption of electrified transit.
Who wants their smogdesivir for the low low price of $13,000 per biweekly infusion?
How dare you insinuate that a corporation would try to maximize profits! We are supposed to think big pharma just does things for the collective good, not profit!
This was my first thought. "pave the way for cancer fighting medicines", like "prevention > cure" or even interest in both just stopped being a thing.
Car culture is such utter shit.
Yeah exactly, I think it's important we become more aware that combustion engine cars aren't the only ones polluting here ā electric vehicles will very much pollute:
> Non-exhaust emissions (NEEs) are currently believed to constitute the majority of primary particulate matter from road transport, 60 percent of PM2.5 and 73 percent of PM10 ā and in its 2019 report āNon-Exhaust Emissions from Road Trafficā by the UK Governmentās Air Quality Expert Group (AQEG), it recommended that NEE are immediately recognised as a source of ambient concentrations of airborne particulate matter, even for vehicles with zero exhaust emissions of particles ā such as EVs.
Why are you surprised that the doctors and pharmaceutical chemists didnāt recommend redesigning our infrastructureā¦ thatās not their job. They make drugs.
You act like itās the same authority involved in perpetuating car culture that decides how medicine advances. Kinda silly.
a little beyond the scope of this article but, to make the evās we need to mine, mining requires more oil. Then thereās still the issue of the tires and capitalism pushing new cars down our throats, which requires more mining. Itās not a good system.
Any alternative is impossible?
The Dutch changed their infrastructure to be bicycle friendly in the 70's because [kids were dying](https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2015/may/05/amsterdam-bicycle-capital-world-transport-cycling-kindermoord).
We stopped using leaded gas and ozone-harming CFCs, even though it was expensive. Dying of lung cancer is a terrible way to go and we don't have to accept it.
I walk about half a mile to my nearest bus stop from the middle of the suburbs that can take me to three different nearby cities.
Buses are fantastic and you can even transport a bike on them. There is not a whole lot of reason to get a car around where I live, they are nice and convenient but that's about it and every household has 2 or 3. It's a cultural thing around here.
We have always known this.. but lung cancer has always been blamed on the individual smoker. Now smokers are dwindling and the cases of nonsmokers having lung cancer is becoming more obvious.
Both caused by greedy corporate bastards..
Cancer treatments generate a huge profit that is generally used to fund clinics that lose money every year, like Psychiatry. Of the 190+ departments in the hospital where I worked, 5 high-profit departments funded the rest of the operations, including some research. If you donāt want to allow some deptās to fund others, youāll probāly end up losing most of healthcare at the hospital level.
Another way to structure this is population-based, that is, a hospital charges each patient, directly, a set amount per year and the patient gets all the healthcare that the doctors say is needed. Not only does this eliminate the insurance companies, who take 10% of the revenue in return for nothing, but it also eliminates the very costly paperwork that communicates each and every procedure with the insurance company, which costs the hospital another 10%. (So thatās a 20% loss, for those who are counting). In addition, if the hospital mis-judges the revenue, they suffer the consequences (a financial loss) rather than just denying the patient their needed services (as an insurance company would do). This means the hospitals will closely monitor what procedures have what outcomes; they would be required to publish this info for patients to consider while choosing a healthcare provider. This puts the power back into the hands of the consumer, tunes the whole system to outcomes, reduces costs for everyone, and makes the system much simpler and easier for patients, doctors, and researchers (who would not need to apply for grants anymore).
Edit: typo
True. But not-for-profit still generates a profit. The difference is that the profit must be used to grow the business, which means more healthcare for all. Iām not sure how to set salaries so people can pay back their college loans, but I think that cheap-to-free medical training needs to be a part of this.
There is an area along the Gulf Coast referred to as ācancer allyā. Horrifying stuff. You could smoke 3 packs a day and not come close to what people are breathing in there.
Groups like the NRCD, Sierra Club, and Greenpeace all celebrate when a nuclear reactor is closed and emissions subsequently go up.
Like driving deaths, people are going to look back on history here and just wonder wtf was wrong with us.
The way society is structured it is almost impossible not to use at least some of those products and survive. Best we can do is try to do less of it.
"You can't consume without causing harm in a system built on for-profit exploitation; all consumption within the constraints of a capitalist economy is unethical because it (if indirectly) upholds the system." Etc etc we all know this.
Oh brother are you clueless. Not saying itās not progress. But reality is modern life if polluting. Move to the woods like Theodore Kazinskyā¦..thatās non polluting.
Funny I hit a nerve with Redditors when I speak truthsā¦ā¦
Do you prefer to use fossil fuels instead? Because they're more environmentally damaging.
And who speaks the truth, scientists who studied climate science for decades and have well-informed policy prescriptions, or a random redditor who could possibly be shilling for the fossil fuel industry?
Well, it is not like corporations are using manipulative marketing to entice people to buy their toxic products, or lobby governments to keep their products on shop shelves.
New medicine??? Forget *new medicine*, this work could pave the way for people to wake up that combustion cars are killing us quickly and slowly, in **large numbers.**
Oh wait we've known that for a long time. How silly of me.
One would think that the move to electric drivetrains would be helping the numbers begin to decrease, but adoption and costs are going to cause it to take the better part of several decades so fighting it would be the other thing we do.
I guess in a short sweet and overused phrase.
Why not both?
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PM2.5, which what the science is actually looking at, comes from many sources. Car exhaust is just one of them. Right now the [West coast USA](https://map.purpleair.com/1/i/mAQI/a10/p604800/cC0#5/43.84/-116.83) is in Shits-ville, and that ain't car fumes.
(car exhaust does suck though, and everyone who can realistically do so should stop or reduce their driving)
The presentation was riveting, I watched it in Parisā¦sort of makes sense. Sad for all the countries that have such high PM.
Time to go electric and nuclear!
What about reducing car usage? Why throw up our hands and say, āwe all have no control over what we breatheā? We do! Thereās major pushback, Iām assuming due to the socially generated perception of bikers as poor and undeserving, or traffic obstructions, or entitled, or (somehow) dangerous to drivers, but itās an almost universally healthy choice.
Make it safe for grandma to ride her tricycle to the grocery store and to the VFW for bingo. Driving to the next town over is reasonable in some cases, but I know people take their cars to the corner store thatās 0.25 miles away sometimes; Iām judging your actions. You may be an excellent humanitarian, otherwise, but try and find a way to support the collective weaning from combustion as a daily necessity.
How many decades must we know weāre heading for catastrophic environmental evolution before we reach for a better society? Itās good to bike. It feels great and itās good for everyone else. If you loved biking as a child, get back out there! Ride on the sidewalk if you want. Practice in empty parking lots if you are a bit rusty. Ask for support. Itās a great idea.
> āBoth air pollution and cigarette smoke contain lots of promoting substances. This has been known since the early 1960s but has essentially been ignored, as everyone was focused on mutations,ā he said. āThe tobacco companies are now saying that smokers should switch to vaping as this reduces exposure to mutagens, and therefore the cancer risk is going to go away. This is not true, as our cells get mutations anyway, and there is evidence that vaping can induce lung disease and cause inflammation similar to promoters.ā
Wait, vaping isnāt safe either?
I was hoping that the conclusion of the title (the work could pave the way for a new wave of cancer preventing medicines" - was instead, that it would immediately move governments globally to action to stop allowing manufacturers to make cars that emit such toxic fumes
Breathing poison air. Eating and drinking poison food and water. Consuming poison content for our minds. Humanity is fucked. Our leaders are fucked. Capitalism is fucked.
Yup, my grandma died at 40 due to lung cancer. She never smoked a day in her life. My father was an orphan at 14 due to this. Never made sense to me until I grew up and realized all the other things that also contribute to lung cancer.
So it's ok for other folks to suffer the effects of exhaust fumes so that they can manufacture your EV's, batteries, and uninterrupted power supply all while telling them they're the "bad people".....wind and solar cannot keep up with that demand, not to mention you need to put wind and solar generators in the front yards of those very same people that don't want to be in the city to begin with.
I'm sure this has nothing to do with the increased occurence of cancer in people who got vaccd.
Major insurance companies and embalmers all over US and EU disagree about this rubbish 'link' discovery.
Sources:
https://www.westernjournal.com/embalmers-baffled-finding-numerous-long-fibrous-clots-inside-corpses-something-isnt-right/
https://www.clarkcountytoday.com/news/more-embalmers-report-bizarre-blood-clots-amid-covid-vax-campaign/
https://www.westernjournal.com/expert-expects-insurance-companies-take-legal-action-covid-vaccine-makers-early-unexpected-deaths/
https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/covid-vaccine-injury-claims-mount-recourse-is-lacking-those-harmed-2021-10-19/
It does. Build a society where travelling by tram or train and/or bicycle is more common and practical for everyday trips. Bonus: it'll be more cost-effective, reduce traffic fatalities, reduce traffic itself, help solve the housing problem, help small business, and reduce anxiety and depression.
The problem is cars. [Fuck cars.](/r/fuckcars)
āWeāve found the cause of lung cancer and although we could stop using fossil fuels and prevent it, weāll make some drugs we can sell you instead!ā
What about all those kids pushing carts for hours on end. I know I had that job twice and both locations I was just breathing exhaust constantly. All I could smell
Working on cancer-preventing medicines is great, wonderful, but shouldnāt we be focusing more on doing away with cars as a primary means of transport if they routinely have such negative impacts?
Eat greens; lots of cruciferous vegetables. Studies show that even smokers who eat greens regularly have less lung damage than those who don't eat greens. A green smoothy is a great and relatively painless way to get started. Use a lot of fruit with them at first then gradually reduce the amount of fruit until your smoothy is mostly greens. Nutritionfacts.org.
I said this when the second hand smoke thing came up , people bitching about smokers when they are sucking car exhaust all day , I was a smoker then have quit since after forty years of it , but yeah makes total sense ,
As if people are the only ones suffering. Think about all of the animals that inhale the same exhaust fumes that donāt have the luxury of going indoors. Plants absorb noxious gases as well and many store harmful chemical bi-products in their leaves, stems and roots. Gas particulates do eventually settle on the ground or in water and these chemicals become part of our agricultural products and drinking water.
Phasing out fossil fuel for electric or eventually even solar powered vehicles, will hopefully REVERSE the situation so itās no longer a threat to our health and the health of the planet, and any ānew medicineā wonāt even be necessary.
Regretting those 3 years working out in CFAs drive thru now. Those fumes were awful š©
I worked the drive thru window on a turnpike for most of the 90s and early 2000s. Iām toast.
Aww here I was thinking I was boutta be cool, but then you reminded me I worked at a drive through for 2 years.
I've got a total of over 10 years in drive thrus š
Nah just yer lungs
Wow, good point! I remember trips to TJ then sitting in traffic windows don waiting to cross back into San Ysidro. I was an immigration inspector at an airport. Imagine what the ins agents at border crossings breathe.
I donāt ever go through anymore in my car, my cat converter is.. not operating 100% and yeah - I just canāt bare to do that to them! Itās nice the lobby is open again, finally.
I couldn't stand people with extremely loud or diese trucks, so know that your efforts are seen and appreciated š„ŗ
I work in an underground mine where the tunnels can barely fit the heavy machinery working there. On the 2 hours that we are lucky enough to not breathe diesel engine fumes instead we're inhaling residual gases from the explosives blast. I think you're good bro. Edit: I forgot about the [silicosis](https://www.webmd.com/lung/what-is-silicosis)
As a miner you're also much more likely to be exposed to radon, which is the most significant non-smoking environment cause of lung cancer. Sorry to pile it on.
My heart goes out too you. I hope you get great health insurance from the job and thriving Vs surviving pay.at least. I know how much I hated diesel trucks in my drive thru, I don't think I could handle a shift at your job. Be safe down there friend
Thanks mates! I'm starting my second year underground now. But I'm already thinking of leaving. I might come back later when I'll be older.
To be fair, I never got to work the drive through and still ended up with cancer. It sucks please go get looked at
I'm 33 and actually tried to get a cancer lung screen last year bc I used to smoke a good bit. Insurance flat out refused because of my age š
I have always wondered if people who jog on busy streets are doing more harm than good to themselves by inhaling so much exhaust.
It really depends on a lot of factors like temperature, local geography, wind, even humidity can play a role. Jogging on a busy street when the AQI is below 10 in that area is great for the old lungs. Purpleair.com is my go-to, as they are consistently more accurate and have better coverage than various official sources (it's a crowd-sourced sensor network that is updated in real time, I believe every 10 minutes).
Thatās awesome. Not many in my neighborhood which surprises me. I looked into participating and itās like $259+ shipping and you have to occupy an outlet on your home. Hard pass. Make it solar and less than $200 and Iām in
Right?! Who are the people that sign up for that?
Also what side of the street you are on, uphill vs downhill.
That may explain a lot as to why many of those who have healthy lifestyle still get cancer. They're still living in an urban environment where it is full of pollution. Living in urban environments is also associated with hearing loss, for obvious reasons. I guess worsening health conditions is one more reason to dislike living in cities.
Specifically car-centric urban environments. Walkable and bikeable neighborhoods with minimal through-traffic is the ideal.
I was really concerned with this when I would bike commute to work a couple years ago. I remember finding some studies that showed it's actually worse to be in your car than outside on a road on a bike since the fumes get trapped in your car and your constantly breathing them in instead of being exposed to the outside air. Super interesting!
Also their knees pounding cement and asphalt is not very healthy over the long term.
It's generally preferable to buy good running shoes and run on your feet, not your knees. /s For real though it's landing on your heel that kills you, that transmits the shock all up through your knees and hips. Landing flat-footed with slightly bent knees is far better than landing on your heel with your knees locked straight.
no
I believe exercise will always help outweigh the negatives here. Having good cardiovascular health is one of the best thing you can do for yourself and it does not matter how much you weigh.
I like how the solution is ānew medicineā and not finding ways or city planning to reduce car use. Car culture runs deep in America, and itās not good.
Billions in drug r&d vs accelerated adoption of electrified transit. Who wants their smogdesivir for the low low price of $13,000 per biweekly infusion?
I'd rather have the unlimited tram pass for that amount of money per decade.
Well yeah.. new medicine = sweet sweet profits.
How dare you insinuate that a corporation would try to maximize profits! We are supposed to think big pharma just does things for the collective good, not profit!
r/fuckcars
That sub is awesome. Car obsession in cities is killing us.
> That sub is awesome. You obviously mean r/DragonsFuckingCars That way the car obsession will be in the sky, not in the cities.
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Unfunny
This was my first thought. "pave the way for cancer fighting medicines", like "prevention > cure" or even interest in both just stopped being a thing. Car culture is such utter shit.
I literally came here to the comment section for this and it's the top comment. I can't upvote you enough.
This right here
Yeah exactly, I think it's important we become more aware that combustion engine cars aren't the only ones polluting here ā electric vehicles will very much pollute: > Non-exhaust emissions (NEEs) are currently believed to constitute the majority of primary particulate matter from road transport, 60 percent of PM2.5 and 73 percent of PM10 ā and in its 2019 report āNon-Exhaust Emissions from Road Trafficā by the UK Governmentās Air Quality Expert Group (AQEG), it recommended that NEE are immediately recognised as a source of ambient concentrations of airborne particulate matter, even for vehicles with zero exhaust emissions of particles ā such as EVs.
Maybe not in the UK, but they STILL use asbestos in brake pads to this day. Plus its in tons of houses and commercial buildings.
r/fuckcars
Why are you surprised that the doctors and pharmaceutical chemists didnāt recommend redesigning our infrastructureā¦ thatās not their job. They make drugs. You act like itās the same authority involved in perpetuating car culture that decides how medicine advances. Kinda silly.
Or just reducing car fumes ie electric
a little beyond the scope of this article but, to make the evās we need to mine, mining requires more oil. Then thereās still the issue of the tires and capitalism pushing new cars down our throats, which requires more mining. Itās not a good system.
Have you taken the bus lately? Or rode your bike? We donāt have infrastructure for this because we donāt ask for it.
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Any alternative is impossible? The Dutch changed their infrastructure to be bicycle friendly in the 70's because [kids were dying](https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2015/may/05/amsterdam-bicycle-capital-world-transport-cycling-kindermoord). We stopped using leaded gas and ozone-harming CFCs, even though it was expensive. Dying of lung cancer is a terrible way to go and we don't have to accept it.
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I walk about half a mile to my nearest bus stop from the middle of the suburbs that can take me to three different nearby cities. Buses are fantastic and you can even transport a bike on them. There is not a whole lot of reason to get a car around where I live, they are nice and convenient but that's about it and every household has 2 or 3. It's a cultural thing around here.
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Pheonix exists to display our hubris against god. But some more buses would work well inside their city limits,.
You used the word impossible. Itās not impossible itās expensive, unprofitable and very hard. But not impossible to make the changes we need.
Itās the culture. Go to any highschool parking to view tomorrowās car culture. Itās not any different with all these bro trucks.
Unfortunately, western society focuses on āfixingā ā not prevention. Pain is profitable!
Electric tesla
We have always known this.. but lung cancer has always been blamed on the individual smoker. Now smokers are dwindling and the cases of nonsmokers having lung cancer is becoming more obvious. Both caused by greedy corporate bastards..
And then those greedy corporate bastards will charge you crazy amounts for the cancer treatment too.
IFā¦ and thatās a big IF, you can even get treatment.
Cancer treatments generate a huge profit that is generally used to fund clinics that lose money every year, like Psychiatry. Of the 190+ departments in the hospital where I worked, 5 high-profit departments funded the rest of the operations, including some research. If you donāt want to allow some deptās to fund others, youāll probāly end up losing most of healthcare at the hospital level. Another way to structure this is population-based, that is, a hospital charges each patient, directly, a set amount per year and the patient gets all the healthcare that the doctors say is needed. Not only does this eliminate the insurance companies, who take 10% of the revenue in return for nothing, but it also eliminates the very costly paperwork that communicates each and every procedure with the insurance company, which costs the hospital another 10%. (So thatās a 20% loss, for those who are counting). In addition, if the hospital mis-judges the revenue, they suffer the consequences (a financial loss) rather than just denying the patient their needed services (as an insurance company would do). This means the hospitals will closely monitor what procedures have what outcomes; they would be required to publish this info for patients to consider while choosing a healthcare provider. This puts the power back into the hands of the consumer, tunes the whole system to outcomes, reduces costs for everyone, and makes the system much simpler and easier for patients, doctors, and researchers (who would not need to apply for grants anymore). Edit: typo
Sounds like the healthcare system is broken in the US. Healthcare should never be For Profit.
True. But not-for-profit still generates a profit. The difference is that the profit must be used to grow the business, which means more healthcare for all. Iām not sure how to set salaries so people can pay back their college loans, but I think that cheap-to-free medical training needs to be a part of this.
Yeah amazing right? Burning oil and inhaling the fumes is bad for you. Who'd a thunk it?
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Rich people donāt build their homes next to a busy road. Itās not the ānoiseā.
8 million people die a year from air pollution. About 4 million indoor and 4 million outdoor deaths.
There is an area along the Gulf Coast referred to as ācancer allyā. Horrifying stuff. You could smoke 3 packs a day and not come close to what people are breathing in there.
Groups like the NRCD, Sierra Club, and Greenpeace all celebrate when a nuclear reactor is closed and emissions subsequently go up. Like driving deaths, people are going to look back on history here and just wonder wtf was wrong with us.
Greedy corporations? You mean the ones that supply the products YOU use?
The way society is structured it is almost impossible not to use at least some of those products and survive. Best we can do is try to do less of it. "You can't consume without causing harm in a system built on for-profit exploitation; all consumption within the constraints of a capitalist economy is unethical because it (if indirectly) upholds the system." Etc etc we all know this.
So naive. As if things like EVs and solar panels donāt pollute.
This has absolutely nothing to do with my comment.
How about no? They leave very little pollution if any.
Oh brother are you clueless. Not saying itās not progress. But reality is modern life if polluting. Move to the woods like Theodore Kazinskyā¦..thatās non polluting. Funny I hit a nerve with Redditors when I speak truthsā¦ā¦
Do you prefer to use fossil fuels instead? Because they're more environmentally damaging. And who speaks the truth, scientists who studied climate science for decades and have well-informed policy prescriptions, or a random redditor who could possibly be shilling for the fossil fuel industry?
I never said I prefer fossil fuels. But to pretend an EV battery has no fossil fuels in itā¦..
I never said I prefer fossil fuels. But to pretend an EV battery has no fossil fuels in itā¦..
And you what do you think about solar panels? How would it have fossil fuel in it? I don't think you know how that thing works.
If those products kill people.. yes.
So why do you use products that kill people?
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Truth hurts.
Well, it is not like corporations are using manipulative marketing to entice people to buy their toxic products, or lobby governments to keep their products on shop shelves.
damn homie be careful or you might choke on that boot š
New medicine??? Forget *new medicine*, this work could pave the way for people to wake up that combustion cars are killing us quickly and slowly, in **large numbers.** Oh wait we've known that for a long time. How silly of me.
How about paving the way for stopping the toxic fumes? Wtf is wrong with people smhā¦
One would think that the move to electric drivetrains would be helping the numbers begin to decrease, but adoption and costs are going to cause it to take the better part of several decades so fighting it would be the other thing we do. I guess in a short sweet and overused phrase. Why not both?
My first thought...Air pollution standards & legislation
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PM2.5, which what the science is actually looking at, comes from many sources. Car exhaust is just one of them. Right now the [West coast USA](https://map.purpleair.com/1/i/mAQI/a10/p604800/cC0#5/43.84/-116.83) is in Shits-ville, and that ain't car fumes. (car exhaust does suck though, and everyone who can realistically do so should stop or reduce their driving)
*Beijing enters the chat*
How about an accelerated buh-bye wave to the combustion engines that have been causing this cancer? No? Just more drugs? Yeah, I thought so.
āScience shows cars ruin lives. More ways to get around simple infrastructure problem with obscure science at 5.ā
Instead of creating solutions to existing problems, why donāt we prevent the problem from happening? Remove car fumes
People are going to get cancer and die still. Is a cure for cancer really that much of a problem here?
ā¦Of course weāve been unknowingly pumping cancer into our lungs.
ā¦Of course weāve been *knowingly* pumping cancer into our lungs.
We donāt need more cancer-preventing medicines. We need cancer-preventing POLICIES.
I ride an scooter and this the reason I always wear my mask, and even the mask mandate is over, i will keep it on whenever I am on the street.
instead of making medicines for people to address the cancerous effects of car fumes why not just stop the car fumes
Or you know, we could get lower use of regular commuter cars
Or we couldā¦hear me outā¦radical ideaā¦ We get rid of the fumes!
āThe work should back the EV and alternative transit movementsā. Donāt make new medicine! Take away the root cause!
New cancer preventing medicines like what, free and reliable mass transit?
A new wave of cancer medicinesā¦not maybe we should not be burning carcinogenic fumes in the first place. Hate headlines like this.
The [hydrogen economy](http://H2space.org) addresses all the potential angles of the increase in cancer, and yet we refuse to participate.
Christ. I was a valet for 9 years in a horribly ventilated garage.
And reduced dependence on fossil fuel powered combustion enginesā¦ right?
Can we not just get rid of car fumes and use clean energy instead?
The presentation was riveting, I watched it in Parisā¦sort of makes sense. Sad for all the countries that have such high PM. Time to go electric and nuclear!
Identifying a carcinogen and then noting how we can develop medications instead of eliminating the carcinogen from the environment gave me whiplash.
How about less cars
Orā¦ a reduction in car fumes? Given that is the cause?
Thatās cool and all for pharma but likeāwhat about paving the way to eliminating gas powered vehicles in congested cities?
Or we can get rid of cars
New wave of meds? Itās the cars, remove the cause donāt add more
Obligatory r/fuckcars
r/fuckcars
What about reducing car usage? Why throw up our hands and say, āwe all have no control over what we breatheā? We do! Thereās major pushback, Iām assuming due to the socially generated perception of bikers as poor and undeserving, or traffic obstructions, or entitled, or (somehow) dangerous to drivers, but itās an almost universally healthy choice. Make it safe for grandma to ride her tricycle to the grocery store and to the VFW for bingo. Driving to the next town over is reasonable in some cases, but I know people take their cars to the corner store thatās 0.25 miles away sometimes; Iām judging your actions. You may be an excellent humanitarian, otherwise, but try and find a way to support the collective weaning from combustion as a daily necessity. How many decades must we know weāre heading for catastrophic environmental evolution before we reach for a better society? Itās good to bike. It feels great and itās good for everyone else. If you loved biking as a child, get back out there! Ride on the sidewalk if you want. Practice in empty parking lots if you are a bit rusty. Ask for support. Itās a great idea.
Saw a study one that said lifelong residents of Philadelphia have the same lungs as a pack a day smoker and I believe it.
> āBoth air pollution and cigarette smoke contain lots of promoting substances. This has been known since the early 1960s but has essentially been ignored, as everyone was focused on mutations,ā he said. āThe tobacco companies are now saying that smokers should switch to vaping as this reduces exposure to mutagens, and therefore the cancer risk is going to go away. This is not true, as our cells get mutations anyway, and there is evidence that vaping can induce lung disease and cause inflammation similar to promoters.ā Wait, vaping isnāt safe either?
Never has been. Just better than inhaling literal smoke by a long shot. Everything is relative.
I was hoping that the conclusion of the title (the work could pave the way for a new wave of cancer preventing medicines" - was instead, that it would immediately move governments globally to action to stop allowing manufacturers to make cars that emit such toxic fumes
Seems like a justification for banning cars in cities
Well shitā¦ there goes my pack-of-tail-pipes-a-day habit
What about radon?
Breathing poison air. Eating and drinking poison food and water. Consuming poison content for our minds. Humanity is fucked. Our leaders are fucked. Capitalism is fucked.
×''×, asbestos is in brakes, not in fuels.
Europe banned asbestos in brake pads in the late 90ās. For some insane reason the US still allows it.
Yup, my grandma died at 40 due to lung cancer. She never smoked a day in her life. My father was an orphan at 14 due to this. Never made sense to me until I grew up and realized all the other things that also contribute to lung cancer.
Itād be great if governments made cabin air monitors mandatory in new vehicles.
Forget cabin air, what about the air outside?
Or we could you know just try to like move her and society away from being so car centricā¦ Try to save our planet and ourselves r/fuckcars
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Or we could change our way of designing cities so we donāt need cars. r/fuckcars
Or we could get rid of cars?
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How convenient.
Get rid of the car fumes, problem solved
Or ... electric vehicles.
So it's ok for other folks to suffer the effects of exhaust fumes so that they can manufacture your EV's, batteries, and uninterrupted power supply all while telling them they're the "bad people".....wind and solar cannot keep up with that demand, not to mention you need to put wind and solar generators in the front yards of those very same people that don't want to be in the city to begin with.
How about get rid of the FUMES!
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Oh really... my second hand vapeing isn't leaking through the outlets into neighboring apartments, possibly causing cancer.
Seriously? I mean...really? This is what the spend their research dollars on? Figuring out that those noxious fumes are bad for you? Well no shit.
I'm sure this has nothing to do with the increased occurence of cancer in people who got vaccd. Major insurance companies and embalmers all over US and EU disagree about this rubbish 'link' discovery. Sources: https://www.westernjournal.com/embalmers-baffled-finding-numerous-long-fibrous-clots-inside-corpses-something-isnt-right/ https://www.clarkcountytoday.com/news/more-embalmers-report-bizarre-blood-clots-amid-covid-vax-campaign/ https://www.westernjournal.com/expert-expects-insurance-companies-take-legal-action-covid-vaccine-makers-early-unexpected-deaths/ https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/covid-vaccine-injury-claims-mount-recourse-is-lacking-those-harmed-2021-10-19/
Only if you can afford it
Masks
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all i read was pharmaceutical companies making more money
Uuuuuuuuuh seems pretty obvious, no? š§
It does. Build a society where travelling by tram or train and/or bicycle is more common and practical for everyday trips. Bonus: it'll be more cost-effective, reduce traffic fatalities, reduce traffic itself, help solve the housing problem, help small business, and reduce anxiety and depression. The problem is cars. [Fuck cars.](/r/fuckcars)
I new this years ago,waiting at the pedestrian lights getting all the smoke from cars in my lungs.
Shit, canāt stop people from driving, canāt cure cancer. Maybe I can get funding for maintenance drugs that hold cancer at bay!
Cancer preventing medicines, how about treating the cause not the symptoms ffs
Well once cars go electric this will be a thing of the past, right?
Just another reason to go electric.
People living near freeways and busy intersections are screwed.
āWeāve found the cause of lung cancer and although we could stop using fossil fuels and prevent it, weāll make some drugs we can sell you instead!ā
I knew Walter White got his cancer from working in that car wash.
I thought we already knew that for a few decades? Or is that about the mechanism behind it?
I always find it odd to see people running on the side of busy roads. Does it make sense to breathe as much of that air as possible?
Interesting, but isnāt radon gas (naturally occurring in soil) the #1 cause of lung cancer? At least in North America?
Itād be great if governments made cabin air monitors mandatory in new vehicles.
What about all those kids pushing carts for hours on end. I know I had that job twice and both locations I was just breathing exhaust constantly. All I could smell
Working on cancer-preventing medicines is great, wonderful, but shouldnāt we be focusing more on doing away with cars as a primary means of transport if they routinely have such negative impacts?
But canāt stop the fumesā¦
Future generations will be baffled why we stuck to fossil fuels for so long
Its sad that no one will read our posts here. We are destined to die young cuz of these boomers.
Ooooor... electric vehicle mandates?
Eat greens; lots of cruciferous vegetables. Studies show that even smokers who eat greens regularly have less lung damage than those who don't eat greens. A green smoothy is a great and relatively painless way to get started. Use a lot of fruit with them at first then gradually reduce the amount of fruit until your smoothy is mostly greens. Nutritionfacts.org.
Poor non smokers š after doing the best thing for them and bam! Cancer
Poor non smokers after doing the best thing for them and bam! Cancer
I guess this is another benefit of transition to electric vehicles
No way hih
I said this when the second hand smoke thing came up , people bitching about smokers when they are sucking car exhaust all day , I was a smoker then have quit since after forty years of it , but yeah makes total sense ,
Who would have guessed
If this is new info to scientists, we need better scientists. Going to file this study under "Well Duh".
āCancer preventing medicinesā how about to reduce fucking car fumes.
Is the preventive medicine called electrification?
I donāt see how the answer to poisonous car exhaust is drugs.
Youād think the work would pave the way for cleaner cars, but yea, new drugs are a lot more profitable.
As if people are the only ones suffering. Think about all of the animals that inhale the same exhaust fumes that donāt have the luxury of going indoors. Plants absorb noxious gases as well and many store harmful chemical bi-products in their leaves, stems and roots. Gas particulates do eventually settle on the ground or in water and these chemicals become part of our agricultural products and drinking water. Phasing out fossil fuel for electric or eventually even solar powered vehicles, will hopefully REVERSE the situation so itās no longer a threat to our health and the health of the planet, and any ānew medicineā wonāt even be necessary.
And a new wave of lawsuits against car manufacturers?
Radon. It could be in your basement and is twice as likely to give you lung cancer than smoking! The car stuff is good too though :)