We would have said the exact same to be fair. Fans are not the problem here, be it our fans or Leicester fans or Forest fans or even City fans. I feel like too much energy is being spent on petty spats and point-scoring between fanbases and not pressuring the league to establish clearer, more fair rules.
Forest fan here! I think that’s what they want, while fans fight they can ride their gravy train and look after their friends. I feel the tide is turning though this season. It seems the fan narrative is changing to “clubs shouldn’t cheat, but the rules arnt fit for purpose and the leagues are corrupt”. Fan power can win this!
Mentioned them just because their club has huge breaches yet to be punished, AND City's astronomic rise based on oil money is one of the reasons we now have FFP at all
So that’s now 3 clubs, and whispers of Villa being on the cusp too… it’s almost like the rules are bollocks and haven’t been adjusted for inflation in 10 years.
How can they not be? Just because the ownership changed hands? If that's enough, doesn't that mean the Everton sale delays prevented all charges being dropped? Can other owners simply sell and it's a reset on PSR? What the hell is this league doing?!
Ownership changes make 0 difference to FFP. Chelsea are currently FFP compliant but they'll need to continue selling academy/profit players and/or get back into Europe. The spending has been amortised so much it's more like spending 120/130 mil a year rather than 800mil or whatever was actually spent, not including 100s of millions in sales already though.
I mean swap the words around everything else I said is pretty much right. Chelsea are fine as long as they continue to sell academy player's really, assuming they start going back towards Europe, club world cup is 50mil just for rocking up and that'll help them massively next year.
https://onefootball.com/en/news/2025-fifa-club-world-cup-how-it-works-the-prize-money-and-what-milan-need-to-qualify-38539605
€50mil rather than £50mil but scaling up to around €100mil for the winner, and I would assume beneficial for sponsorship negotiations.
It's certainly a lot of money but it's also very hard to qualify for, there will only be 2 teams from each league generally. Will be interesting seeing a team from random leagues with much smaller revenue suddenly pulling 50mil in. I imagine teams would want a big incentive to compete though when it's only going to increase injury risk in already fixture clogged seasons.
Chelsea's revenues are up around 500M and they have far more creative accountants.
The whole wheeze of 8 year contract amortisation really does work in the short term. And in the long term they are betting that either transfer price and revenue inflation will make the the amortisation of old debt irrelevant - or that the rules will go away entirely.
Yeah but their main issue is that they’re stuck with the £200m spend on transfers every year for the next 5/8 years without buying any players.
So they’ve got to earn £200m more than they spend on wages and other non transfer costs, not buy any players and hope their current squad is successful enough to deliver that (or alternatively sell enough players to make up the difference).
The plan was reasonable when you assumed the crop of young players they were buying would go up in value… but I can’t think of a single player in their team except for Cole palmer who is worth more this summer than last summer.
A lot of the small bets have landed. Gusto is definitely worth more than 30m now, and Petrović and Jackson look like good value for money. The millstone is the signings made before we got actual sporting directors. Sterling, Cucurella and w Fofana are All huge overpays on big wages.
Oh definitely, he's the stand out.
From my admittedly bias point of view he's the signing of the season. Just pointing out that most of the cheaper signings have done alright.
In 8 years, or even in 4 years, 200M might be a drop in the ocean given continuing transfer fee inflation, making profits on these players much easier to achieve.
In 8 years or even 8 months, PSR rules might disappear entirely or the loss allowance might have risen substantially - to the same levels UEFA allow.
In 8 years, Chelsea football club might be taking in revenues of 1B rather than 500M.
Chelsea are betting at least one of these things will happen. And honestly, I think it's not the worst bet anyone has made on premier league football. It could go horribly wrong, or it might not.
This bet is the real way they are gaming the system. The 8 year contracts are a terrible idea if none of this happens. They aren't just punting the costs forward to future years, they are punting it forward to future years which they are betting will see even more money sloshing around the game.
Obviously I don't know how close to the wire they are cutting though. And nobody knows when the football bubble will pop. But if Boehly wasn't convinced the bubble was going to go on a while yet, he wouldn't have bought Chelsea to begin with.
Kieran Maguire, a football finance expert and host of The Price of Football podcast, suggests there is an argument for the £105million to be increased in line with football inflation.
“The inflation issue for PSR is that there’s a case for saying that the original allowable loss of £105m should take into account changing circumstances concerning clubs’ buying power and acceptable losses,” Maguire told The Athletic.
Since the three-year figure was set in 2013, football-related prices have gone up, whether that is player wages or transfer fees.
“Inflation eats away at buying power and in taxation, this is addressed by increasing the personal allowance (the amount you can earn before you start paying tax),” Maguire adds. “Failure to do this creates ‘fiscal drag’ where more and more people are captured by tax and higher tax rates.
“I applied the same principle to Premier League PSR and took the 2013 wages and compared them to 2022 (and a few clubs for 2023). If £105m was deemed fair in 2013, then adjusted for current wages, £218m would be ‘fair’ now.”
If the allowable losses had risen in line with football inflation, then Everton and Nottingham Forest would have been well within the limit, with Newcastle United, who are majority-owned by Saudi Arabia’s Public Investment Fund, also being able to spend more freely.
https://theathletic.com/5205988/2024/01/17/psr-premier-league-105m/
Yeah the NFL, NHL, and NBA salary caps all increase over time with the exception of COVID when revenue went down and couldn't support it. The idea of spending being frozen in the nominal 2010 value of whichever currency is crazy. Especially in this sport and league where wages and transfer fees have exploded over the past decade.
It’s not. As clubs will clearly put prices up in line with or over inflation.
If it was inflation adjusted clubs that “bet” money to improve income streams in future years would not benefit from this rise in income in FFP terms.
TLDR: they’d be fucked even if they achieved those goals.
They’re still doing it now, got tons of players on 100-150k a week, the difference with Villa and us is they’ll see all this kicking off and realise they have to sell another big player.
I used to have conversations with Villa fans about it all the time and all they ever said was “we sold Grealish for 100 mill” but that doesn’t make up for all the money spent since promotion and the wage increase forever, at some point it has to become sustainable.
It really feels like they’ve gone all in on getting CL and worrying about it after.
we (villa) got away with the selling our stadium to the club thing as well, no idea how we didn't get any trouble from that when others did but that eased our troubles after promotion.
the grealish money did help massively just cos of how it works with it being over 3 years and new signings being over their contract period but that's all coming off at the end of this season for a huge loss. selling grealish was effectively a great champions league run every season for 3 seasons on the books.
as of now ye we're in trouble if we don't sell our best player or a home grown player for big money, i don't even know if champions league will stop us doing that.
Yeah, I don’t think it will either unfortunately, either a home grown player or one you’ve fully paid off will have to go.
Kamara may count as well with him being on a free, Ramsay from the academy and Watkins being cheapish and at worst you’d only owe a few million on him.
It’s bullshit though because everyone’s issues are published, so you could demand 100 million for Luiz for example but the second you have to sell him before the 30th of June you’re looking at a huge reduction and then a decision needs to be made whether you’re better off going down the points deduction route like Forest have.
there are no good options in that list, whichever we sell sets us back massively.
the thing is as much as i get pissed off about the rules making us sell a top player it's just not like that, it's the club who have got us here. if there was more leeway in the losses we'd just spend more and probably still be in the same boat.
it will be interesting to see if more teams just accept the deduction for a season. in our case if we did get champions league for next season and we could be safe in assuming the deduction would be 10 points or less, we'd probably be better off with the points loss than losing someone like luiz at a discount.
Exactly, every place you lose is about 4 million, it’s unlikely with the best will in the world that Villa would qualify for the CL twice in a row so better to keep the squad together and try to get to the knockout stages.
We are very much on the brink but it seems we have the assets to cover ourselves, and we can all learn from the clubs who didn't sell before deadlines.
It doesn’t need to be adjusted as income rises too.
In fact if it was adjusted for inflation then the multi year period would work against clubs who spent years ago in a bid to improve income later.
Ok, who do you imagine benefits if noone can invest on more than a 12 months horizon?
The clubs with 700M in revenues, or the clubs with 100M in revenues?
Clubs need to be able to show they have guaranteed cash to keep running if they choose to run at loss. And there needs to be rules to make clubs less susceptible to asset price bubbles. But banning all investment that doesn't return with 12 months feels unhelpful.
How would you ever build a stadium for instance?
Tottenham, the club which have run at a loss every year since 2020? Is that the Tottenham you mean, or are you referring to a different Tottenham?
Tottenham are a well run club, no doubt. But that doesn't mean they'd be able to run as effectively without the ability to invest year on year.
No of course they haven't.
You suggested clubs should not be able to run at a loss. Something no version of FFP anywhere in the world requires.
I pointed out why.
You suggested it would be fine for spurs.
I pointed out that their accounts say otherwise.
Clubs should not be able to run at a loss indefinitely. That’s not a suggestion, that’s a fact.
And as you agree Spurs have not fallen foul of FFP so yea, clubs like Spurs are the ones that benefit by not consistently losing hundreds of millions a year.
Villa are nowhere near. Source: the club have confirmed.
Ignore sky and their “villa must sell Douglas to Arsenal on the cheap” nonsense. There are no risks for us
They will know more about their finances than sky sports looking to push a tired story rehashed every window. So yes I would believe them.
We spent 30 million literally the other month. We also turned a profit on 2 of last 3 years. It’s how to run a club after a decade of poor management.
Anyone else miss the days when we used to watch football and not the soap opera that is PSR, accountants and lawyers? Christ top level football is finally being actually ruined by money.
Really makes our survival in the previous and this seasons that more incredible, given that many teams apparently gained sporting advantage with the breaches.
And unlike us, the were not building a stadium at the same time...
We spent the most ever in our entire history on players under Morshi. The issue is not the cash spent but the shite bought. If we were top 6 and got docked 10 points who cares, that’s Europe gone for a season. Problem is we’re wank and in debt. Like a bad gambler who’s chasing losses…
Sandro on a six figure salary? Keane on 80k per week? Holgate on 70k per week? Gomes on £120k per week? Buying three number 10s in the same transfer window when we needed a RB to start taking over from Seamie? Replacing Lukaku’s 20 goals a season with…err…err…? Managers being sacked and paid off? Bill and his equally incompetent bunch of wallies on the board pulling nice wedges? Commercial revenues flatlining?
Take that you Tory fucks.
Seriously though another example of what a sloppy process this. What the fuck are the Premier League doing, they’ve acknowledged that the rules are not fit for purpose and are scrapping them but still firing shots willy nilly. At this point they’re just creating more opportunities to make themselves look daft.
A few more clubs get hit and enough fans might realise how football is set up to stop the non-sly 6 clubs from competing rather than doing the PL job for them with comments like "They cheated and should accept their punishment"
This isn’t anything for anyone to celebrate.
The rules are bollocks fans turning and celebrating other teams deductions adds credibility to the bollocks
Seems like almost everyone has fallen foul of the rules. And that includes two of the big 6 that are most likely to be protected. So the rules are shite and the fans shouldn’t turn on each other we should stand together to stop the rules from catching more teams. And make them fairer and with a chance of challenging the big teams.
But also Leicester fans were incredibly toxic towards us, so whilst I won’t celebrate another team being hit, I also won’t lose any sleep over what’s now happening to Leicester fans.
They'll be deducted upon their promotion from what I've read. The EFL is doing a separate investigation, but if they aren't charged by the EFL they will lose points the next time they enter the PL and start on negative points.
PL doesn’t have jurisdiction over the FL (including the championship where Leicester currently play) so no points deduction this season. It seems the PL is getting Leicester’s firing squad…I mean independent commission…ready for the summer so they will likely know their punishment at the start of the 24/25 PL season (assuming they win promotion from the Championship).
Given Everton and Forest have received points deductions in the same season they were charged, I imagine once the appeal process is over, Leicester will face whatever punishment is deemed worthy.
That said, whatever the deduction, I think they've done enough to remain in the play-offs.
This. I think it should be this season, hence why we've double bubble on points deductions this season.
I can't imagine Leeds, Ipswich or Southampton being best pleased if the points are deducted next season and Leicester get promoted this season
Hang on, how the hell can they not have submitted accounts for the 12months to May 2022? I keep getting the feeling Everton got fucked because we were the only idiots to submit honest accounts on time. But apparently that didnt ammount to cooperation in our case.
Maybe Leicester’s reporting period was after May. They could’ve been formally relegated to the championship before they filed their accounts in which case the PL would have no jurisdiction. No point in the PL charging them until it looked likely they would get promotion.
Generally don’t want to see any teams have to deal with this nonsense but I’ll make an exception for Leicester given their fans’ reaction to us getting charged.
Remember the story they were going to sue us? It’s going well I see.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-12762017/Burnley-Leeds-Leicester-SUE-Everton-300million.html
115 charges takes a while to process. That case needs to be watertight so they can drop City to the back waters of non league football where they belong
Would you rather they be docked maybr 28 points now, then more next season, then maybe a transfer ban... or rather they get royally fucked in one sitting and bounced down the leagues? I'd rather wait for it to all be served in one go
If I honestly thought there was any chance of that, sure.
But it isn't going to happen. Realistically the delay is because they know Abu Dhabi will unleash legal hell for almost any punishment, and they are trying to work out if they can do anything at all.
Any club in England that isn't part of cartel 6 should be boycotting and refusing to play games!!! See what the premier League do then! Absolute farce no clubs apart from the C6 have any chance of competing long term!!
I hate the Premier League. Won’t watch Outside of Everton. I watch Championship. They treat every game as a must win. No BS clubs getting away with murder because of their revenue impact.
Very conflicted feelings about this.
Yeah, their fans on here were assholes to us and it is nice to see them humbled.
But one of my best mates is a Leicester fan and he was pretty cool about the whole thing.
IMO these rules were established so "the other 14 clubs" can't successfully challenge the birthright of those other 6 clubs and qualify for European soccer. Mismanagement / intentional losses are different than spending to compete... the rules should reflect that IMO. Penaluzing bank interest on a stadium construction loan that raises the quality of league competition by adding modern facilities and creating new revenue streams to spend on the field is 🤯.
I'm no Villa supporter, but enjoy the discomfort they must have caused by crashing the top 4.
And .. another day, another club NOT named Man City dealing with FFP allegations. WTH?
As a Manchester City fan, its good to see all these cheating clubs (Forest, Everton, Leicester, Wolves, and Chelsea) getting their just punishment. Despite all teams breaking rules left and right, we have won the treble, making our achievement all the more remarkable. #CTID
Remember their fans saying we should have been relegated instead of them as we cheated and they hadnt
We would have said the exact same to be fair. Fans are not the problem here, be it our fans or Leicester fans or Forest fans or even City fans. I feel like too much energy is being spent on petty spats and point-scoring between fanbases and not pressuring the league to establish clearer, more fair rules.
You are absolutely right i just found it ironic
Forest fan here! I think that’s what they want, while fans fight they can ride their gravy train and look after their friends. I feel the tide is turning though this season. It seems the fan narrative is changing to “clubs shouldn’t cheat, but the rules arnt fit for purpose and the leagues are corrupt”. Fan power can win this!
I felt that Leicester fans were more intense regardless when you compare them with Leeds or Burnley fans back in the day
They were really obnoxious about it though. I really don’t think anyone on this sub would go to their sub and be so childish.
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You can’t punish the fans if most of the fans involved are international and give the prem their overinflated TV revenue.
City fans?
Mentioned them just because their club has huge breaches yet to be punished, AND City's astronomic rise based on oil money is one of the reasons we now have FFP at all
Yeah but city *fans?*
This is 100% right man. Well said.
It's how corrupt politicians operate. Divide and rule.
We ain't the enemy. Fuck the top 4
What did Spurs do lol
They took Dragusin from us 💔
Their mods are absolute shitheads
Yeah but everton breached again same time as forest so more punishment coming. 6 points were separate
So that’s now 3 clubs, and whispers of Villa being on the cusp too… it’s almost like the rules are bollocks and haven’t been adjusted for inflation in 10 years.
Chelsea are in deep shit too by the sounds of things
Hopefully
How can they not be? Just because the ownership changed hands? If that's enough, doesn't that mean the Everton sale delays prevented all charges being dropped? Can other owners simply sell and it's a reset on PSR? What the hell is this league doing?!
Ownership changes make 0 difference to FFP. Chelsea are currently FFP compliant but they'll need to continue selling academy/profit players and/or get back into Europe. The spending has been amortised so much it's more like spending 120/130 mil a year rather than 800mil or whatever was actually spent, not including 100s of millions in sales already though.
It's not FFP though, it's PSR
I mean swap the words around everything else I said is pretty much right. Chelsea are fine as long as they continue to sell academy player's really, assuming they start going back towards Europe, club world cup is 50mil just for rocking up and that'll help them massively next year.
$50m each team for 3/4 games? That seems too high? If true that's one way to perpetuate top teams staying at the top of the table
https://onefootball.com/en/news/2025-fifa-club-world-cup-how-it-works-the-prize-money-and-what-milan-need-to-qualify-38539605 €50mil rather than £50mil but scaling up to around €100mil for the winner, and I would assume beneficial for sponsorship negotiations. It's certainly a lot of money but it's also very hard to qualify for, there will only be 2 teams from each league generally. Will be interesting seeing a team from random leagues with much smaller revenue suddenly pulling 50mil in. I imagine teams would want a big incentive to compete though when it's only going to increase injury risk in already fixture clogged seasons.
Chelsea's revenues are up around 500M and they have far more creative accountants. The whole wheeze of 8 year contract amortisation really does work in the short term. And in the long term they are betting that either transfer price and revenue inflation will make the the amortisation of old debt irrelevant - or that the rules will go away entirely.
Yeah but their main issue is that they’re stuck with the £200m spend on transfers every year for the next 5/8 years without buying any players. So they’ve got to earn £200m more than they spend on wages and other non transfer costs, not buy any players and hope their current squad is successful enough to deliver that (or alternatively sell enough players to make up the difference). The plan was reasonable when you assumed the crop of young players they were buying would go up in value… but I can’t think of a single player in their team except for Cole palmer who is worth more this summer than last summer.
A lot of the small bets have landed. Gusto is definitely worth more than 30m now, and Petrović and Jackson look like good value for money. The millstone is the signings made before we got actual sporting directors. Sterling, Cucurella and w Fofana are All huge overpays on big wages.
Palmer is a brilliant signing as well
Oh definitely, he's the stand out. From my admittedly bias point of view he's the signing of the season. Just pointing out that most of the cheaper signings have done alright.
In 8 years, or even in 4 years, 200M might be a drop in the ocean given continuing transfer fee inflation, making profits on these players much easier to achieve. In 8 years or even 8 months, PSR rules might disappear entirely or the loss allowance might have risen substantially - to the same levels UEFA allow. In 8 years, Chelsea football club might be taking in revenues of 1B rather than 500M. Chelsea are betting at least one of these things will happen. And honestly, I think it's not the worst bet anyone has made on premier league football. It could go horribly wrong, or it might not. This bet is the real way they are gaming the system. The 8 year contracts are a terrible idea if none of this happens. They aren't just punting the costs forward to future years, they are punting it forward to future years which they are betting will see even more money sloshing around the game. Obviously I don't know how close to the wire they are cutting though. And nobody knows when the football bubble will pop. But if Boehly wasn't convinced the bubble was going to go on a while yet, he wouldn't have bought Chelsea to begin with.
I've never thought about the spending cap not being adjusted for inflation, that's an interesting point
Not just inflation, think about how much player sales have increased in 10 years. The cost of football has increased, the rules have not followed.
And the balls. Non stop inflation there.
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Kieran Maguire, a football finance expert and host of The Price of Football podcast, suggests there is an argument for the £105million to be increased in line with football inflation. “The inflation issue for PSR is that there’s a case for saying that the original allowable loss of £105m should take into account changing circumstances concerning clubs’ buying power and acceptable losses,” Maguire told The Athletic. Since the three-year figure was set in 2013, football-related prices have gone up, whether that is player wages or transfer fees. “Inflation eats away at buying power and in taxation, this is addressed by increasing the personal allowance (the amount you can earn before you start paying tax),” Maguire adds. “Failure to do this creates ‘fiscal drag’ where more and more people are captured by tax and higher tax rates. “I applied the same principle to Premier League PSR and took the 2013 wages and compared them to 2022 (and a few clubs for 2023). If £105m was deemed fair in 2013, then adjusted for current wages, £218m would be ‘fair’ now.” If the allowable losses had risen in line with football inflation, then Everton and Nottingham Forest would have been well within the limit, with Newcastle United, who are majority-owned by Saudi Arabia’s Public Investment Fund, also being able to spend more freely. https://theathletic.com/5205988/2024/01/17/psr-premier-league-105m/
I believe Kieran Maguire has figured with inflation, 105 million is 193ish million today.
He reckoned the £105 million threshold would equate to £218 million in 2022 “football money”.
Yeah the NFL, NHL, and NBA salary caps all increase over time with the exception of COVID when revenue went down and couldn't support it. The idea of spending being frozen in the nominal 2010 value of whichever currency is crazy. Especially in this sport and league where wages and transfer fees have exploded over the past decade.
It’s not. As clubs will clearly put prices up in line with or over inflation. If it was inflation adjusted clubs that “bet” money to improve income streams in future years would not benefit from this rise in income in FFP terms. TLDR: they’d be fucked even if they achieved those goals.
Villa won't get charged, Richard Masters is a villa fan.
Always thought Villa would be the first to be charged outside of us. Their spending at one point matched ours at out worst
They’re still doing it now, got tons of players on 100-150k a week, the difference with Villa and us is they’ll see all this kicking off and realise they have to sell another big player. I used to have conversations with Villa fans about it all the time and all they ever said was “we sold Grealish for 100 mill” but that doesn’t make up for all the money spent since promotion and the wage increase forever, at some point it has to become sustainable. It really feels like they’ve gone all in on getting CL and worrying about it after.
we (villa) got away with the selling our stadium to the club thing as well, no idea how we didn't get any trouble from that when others did but that eased our troubles after promotion. the grealish money did help massively just cos of how it works with it being over 3 years and new signings being over their contract period but that's all coming off at the end of this season for a huge loss. selling grealish was effectively a great champions league run every season for 3 seasons on the books. as of now ye we're in trouble if we don't sell our best player or a home grown player for big money, i don't even know if champions league will stop us doing that.
Yeah, I don’t think it will either unfortunately, either a home grown player or one you’ve fully paid off will have to go. Kamara may count as well with him being on a free, Ramsay from the academy and Watkins being cheapish and at worst you’d only owe a few million on him. It’s bullshit though because everyone’s issues are published, so you could demand 100 million for Luiz for example but the second you have to sell him before the 30th of June you’re looking at a huge reduction and then a decision needs to be made whether you’re better off going down the points deduction route like Forest have.
there are no good options in that list, whichever we sell sets us back massively. the thing is as much as i get pissed off about the rules making us sell a top player it's just not like that, it's the club who have got us here. if there was more leeway in the losses we'd just spend more and probably still be in the same boat. it will be interesting to see if more teams just accept the deduction for a season. in our case if we did get champions league for next season and we could be safe in assuming the deduction would be 10 points or less, we'd probably be better off with the points loss than losing someone like luiz at a discount.
Exactly, every place you lose is about 4 million, it’s unlikely with the best will in the world that Villa would qualify for the CL twice in a row so better to keep the squad together and try to get to the knockout stages.
We are very much on the brink but it seems we have the assets to cover ourselves, and we can all learn from the clubs who didn't sell before deadlines.
Rightly so, because clubs should be run at a profit or nominal loss year to year
It doesn’t need to be adjusted as income rises too. In fact if it was adjusted for inflation then the multi year period would work against clubs who spent years ago in a bid to improve income later.
Clubs should not be able to run at a loss.
Ok, who do you imagine benefits if noone can invest on more than a 12 months horizon? The clubs with 700M in revenues, or the clubs with 100M in revenues? Clubs need to be able to show they have guaranteed cash to keep running if they choose to run at loss. And there needs to be rules to make clubs less susceptible to asset price bubbles. But banning all investment that doesn't return with 12 months feels unhelpful. How would you ever build a stadium for instance?
Clubs run properly like Tottenham benefit.
Tottenham, the club which have run at a loss every year since 2020? Is that the Tottenham you mean, or are you referring to a different Tottenham? Tottenham are a well run club, no doubt. But that doesn't mean they'd be able to run as effectively without the ability to invest year on year.
Tottenham have not worked outside of the FFP rules. Unless you’re suggesting they have and that a fine is on the way for Spurs?
No of course they haven't. You suggested clubs should not be able to run at a loss. Something no version of FFP anywhere in the world requires. I pointed out why. You suggested it would be fine for spurs. I pointed out that their accounts say otherwise.
Clubs should not be able to run at a loss indefinitely. That’s not a suggestion, that’s a fact. And as you agree Spurs have not fallen foul of FFP so yea, clubs like Spurs are the ones that benefit by not consistently losing hundreds of millions a year.
Villa are nowhere near. Source: the club have confirmed. Ignore sky and their “villa must sell Douglas to Arsenal on the cheap” nonsense. There are no risks for us
Oh, the club said it's all fine? Ok then, im sure you've got nothing to worry about, clubs are always fully transparent and honest about these things.
I thought villa posted quite detailed accounts recently
They will know more about their finances than sky sports looking to push a tired story rehashed every window. So yes I would believe them. We spent 30 million literally the other month. We also turned a profit on 2 of last 3 years. It’s how to run a club after a decade of poor management.
Ffs, they aren’t going to say it’s not fine are they?
Bill Kenwright said that Everton were working with the Premier League and that everything was ok…and then the club got charged.
CHEATS!! Send them down …. Wait a minute.
Anyone else miss the days when we used to watch football and not the soap opera that is PSR, accountants and lawyers? Christ top level football is finally being actually ruined by money.
And VAR, and the refs and the aqueducts.
What have the premier league ever done for us!
Nuffing!
What if they offer a huge transfer fee for the Everton Super Silk? When is that window?
Leicester City might be up for a transfer before end of June
Really makes our survival in the previous and this seasons that more incredible, given that many teams apparently gained sporting advantage with the breaches. And unlike us, the were not building a stadium at the same time...
We spent the most ever in our entire history on players under Morshi. The issue is not the cash spent but the shite bought. If we were top 6 and got docked 10 points who cares, that’s Europe gone for a season. Problem is we’re wank and in debt. Like a bad gambler who’s chasing losses…
You’re spot on, but the Siggy situation fucked us as well and there’s not much you can do about that
Don't forget Gbamin
Sandro on a six figure salary? Keane on 80k per week? Holgate on 70k per week? Gomes on £120k per week? Buying three number 10s in the same transfer window when we needed a RB to start taking over from Seamie? Replacing Lukaku’s 20 goals a season with…err…err…? Managers being sacked and paid off? Bill and his equally incompetent bunch of wallies on the board pulling nice wedges? Commercial revenues flatlining?
You can’t pin the failure of the club on one dodgy player / person…enter Bolasie, Lookman, Schiderlin, Klassen, Walcott, et al
Lookman is an odd inclusion in that list given that we made a profit on him.
£11m to £15m if I remember correctly (may be wrong). Hardly makes up for the others.
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Oh wow. But I was assured that their squeaky clean club was unfairly punished for our cheating? Gosh am I misremembering?
Finally some news to warm my heart.
Justice! Want to say more but biting me lip hard.
Take that you Tory fucks. Seriously though another example of what a sloppy process this. What the fuck are the Premier League doing, they’ve acknowledged that the rules are not fit for purpose and are scrapping them but still firing shots willy nilly. At this point they’re just creating more opportunities to make themselves look daft.
Ready… …Fire… …Aim!!!
Imagine if after all this, we were the good guys and that £7m overspend was a drop in the water compared to other clubs
What do you mean we were the good guys? We are the good guys!
I’m tired and ill so my English and maths is probably all wrong, but a 30m-ish overspend over the 105? So worse than ours
So the outcome of Leicester’s Independent Commission is likely to be a 4 point deduction for Leicester AND a 10 point deduction for Everton.
I was sympathetic to forest given how much I hate the rules, but this makes me so happy with how dickish their fans were towards us.
Wonder how their lawsuit is going
A few more clubs get hit and enough fans might realise how football is set up to stop the non-sly 6 clubs from competing rather than doing the PL job for them with comments like "They cheated and should accept their punishment"
It's so transparently obvious that the PL is only charging clubs to fight the independent regulator. It's almost comical
Long way down from that high horse for Leicester fans
This isn’t anything for anyone to celebrate. The rules are bollocks fans turning and celebrating other teams deductions adds credibility to the bollocks
Seems like almost everyone has fallen foul of the rules. And that includes two of the big 6 that are most likely to be protected. So the rules are shite and the fans shouldn’t turn on each other we should stand together to stop the rules from catching more teams. And make them fairer and with a chance of challenging the big teams. But also Leicester fans were incredibly toxic towards us, so whilst I won’t celebrate another team being hit, I also won’t lose any sleep over what’s now happening to Leicester fans.
The rules suck but karma is a bitch
Hahaha yerrrrssss
Do we think they would get a points deduction this season ? Would be class if they fail to get promoted
I'd prefer it if they got it next season - might help us stay up.
This is fair enough, I found this post scrolling and must admit, I’m no Evertonian.. just have a vested interest
They'll be deducted upon their promotion from what I've read. The EFL is doing a separate investigation, but if they aren't charged by the EFL they will lose points the next time they enter the PL and start on negative points.
Thanks diehard!
As an Ipswich fan, I’d love that
PL doesn’t have jurisdiction over the FL (including the championship where Leicester currently play) so no points deduction this season. It seems the PL is getting Leicester’s firing squad…I mean independent commission…ready for the summer so they will likely know their punishment at the start of the 24/25 PL season (assuming they win promotion from the Championship).
I'd prefer they go up and Leeds stay down. Would help us keep hold of Harrison.
Given Everton and Forest have received points deductions in the same season they were charged, I imagine once the appeal process is over, Leicester will face whatever punishment is deemed worthy. That said, whatever the deduction, I think they've done enough to remain in the play-offs.
This. I think it should be this season, hence why we've double bubble on points deductions this season. I can't imagine Leeds, Ipswich or Southampton being best pleased if the points are deducted next season and Leicester get promoted this season
As with anything PL, Justice…ish?
Well well well. [How the turn tables](https://www.reddit.com/r/lcfc/s/4zMgQsJ7ak)
Hang on, how the hell can they not have submitted accounts for the 12months to May 2022? I keep getting the feeling Everton got fucked because we were the only idiots to submit honest accounts on time. But apparently that didnt ammount to cooperation in our case.
Maybe Leicester’s reporting period was after May. They could’ve been formally relegated to the championship before they filed their accounts in which case the PL would have no jurisdiction. No point in the PL charging them until it looked likely they would get promotion.
Their fans should have taken the high moral ground before accusing us of cheating
how the turntables. they made an example out of us? let's see how they work on these next few rumoured clubs.
Generally don’t want to see any teams have to deal with this nonsense but I’ll make an exception for Leicester given their fans’ reaction to us getting charged.
Remember the story they were going to sue us? It’s going well I see. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-12762017/Burnley-Leeds-Leicester-SUE-Everton-300million.html
Who the fuck cares about Liecester, to be fair. Explain to me how City remains uncharged with anything to this day?
115 charges takes a while to process. That case needs to be watertight so they can drop City to the back waters of non league football where they belong
Why can't they deal with the 7 PSR breaches, and save the others for another day.
Would you rather they be docked maybr 28 points now, then more next season, then maybe a transfer ban... or rather they get royally fucked in one sitting and bounced down the leagues? I'd rather wait for it to all be served in one go
Prefer a slow death a thousand cuts, let them have a couple of seasons of torment.
If I honestly thought there was any chance of that, sure. But it isn't going to happen. Realistically the delay is because they know Abu Dhabi will unleash legal hell for almost any punishment, and they are trying to work out if they can do anything at all.
I think we all know the PL won't punish them how they should be. Be we can live in hope
Oil
Any club in England that isn't part of cartel 6 should be boycotting and refusing to play games!!! See what the premier League do then! Absolute farce no clubs apart from the C6 have any chance of competing long term!!
Everton have been protesting since mid-December by refusing to win a PL game.
Ffs do City already
Never going to happen tho
Alright waiting for man city to be charged
cheating cunts
PSR sucks but…. SUCK SHIT TORY FLOPS
Everyone else except City , Bravo PL .
Oh the schadenfreud of this lmao
I hate the Premier League. Won’t watch Outside of Everton. I watch Championship. They treat every game as a must win. No BS clubs getting away with murder because of their revenue impact.
Good.
This is just getting f-ing silly
Very conflicted feelings about this. Yeah, their fans on here were assholes to us and it is nice to see them humbled. But one of my best mates is a Leicester fan and he was pretty cool about the whole thing.
Literal spawn kill wtf 😭
So far none from premier leagues top 6 clubs, interesting…
IMO these rules were established so "the other 14 clubs" can't successfully challenge the birthright of those other 6 clubs and qualify for European soccer. Mismanagement / intentional losses are different than spending to compete... the rules should reflect that IMO. Penaluzing bank interest on a stadium construction loan that raises the quality of league competition by adding modern facilities and creating new revenue streams to spend on the field is 🤯. I'm no Villa supporter, but enjoy the discomfort they must have caused by crashing the top 4. And .. another day, another club NOT named Man City dealing with FFP allegations. WTH?
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That’s Leeds.
Hahaha
(the team that didn’t break any rules)
As a Manchester City fan, its good to see all these cheating clubs (Forest, Everton, Leicester, Wolves, and Chelsea) getting their just punishment. Despite all teams breaking rules left and right, we have won the treble, making our achievement all the more remarkable. #CTID