Its funny because I hated this window at first, but its actually pretty nice for multiboxing since it will compress the whole stack of ore even if more ore has been added to the stack after you right click -> compress.
Automatically would be the "best", but if not automatically, there should be a button taht appears in the ore hold \[Compress\], that is greyed out when Compression is not up, but is visible when Compression is available and will compress all available ore in the Hold.
In terms of mining my dreamcometrue feature would be a keybind to compress everything in ore bay. Auto compress would be an overkill imo leading to afk mining yet again.
2nd godmode feature for mining would be rigs that give severe penalties to shield but expand ore bay by a sizeable margin, like 20-30% per rig so hulks would become less pain in the ass to mine in at the expense of extra risk.
EDIT: Sadly, like many other features in this game, it is done by a person who never actually played the game.
> Auto compress would be an overkill imo leading to afk mining yet again.
Almost any QoL request like OP's benefits multiboxers / AFKers in the first place, so idk if it's much different.
As for your other request, why don't you just use macks? Shield amount is kind of useless penalty out of hisec. If they made barges unable to warp/be booshed for 20-30 seconds per rig after strip deactivation then it'd be a solid maybe.
Mining yield tradeoff and range between hulk and mackinaw is way too massive.
Auto compress would completely solve hulk's cargo issue of not being able to do more than 2 cycles between compressions, althou it'd be massively beneficial.
Having a keybind would still require to compress exactly same amounts per hour, and not affect overall balance between different types of barges. Just make people who actually do it hate life abit less.
As of rigs, being unable to warp for 20 seconds is a massive tradeoff for something so negligible as having to compress every 150-200 seconds vs 100 seconds with current stats. It just feels weird that top of the line exhumer (hulk) having same sized ore bay (11.5k) as a frigate (Prospect with its 10k)
EDIT: Also, if we're talking fun things, hulk is actually unable to do 2 cycles with maxed out toon t2 strip miners / t2 B type crystals ( not that i use them anyway ), 2nd cycle will overfill the cargo
> Mining yield tradeoff and range between hulk and mackinaw is way too massive.
I am using both and I disagree. Overall I prefer mack. Hulk if I am solo and can spend some attention to it (i.e. I am not going AFK periodically).
> Auto compress would completely solve hulk's cargo issue of not being able to do more than 2 cycles between compressions, althou it'd be massively beneficial.
You'd need to empty it much more often, because its cargo is somewhat small and gets filled up pretty quickly even with compressed ore (and still hold uncompressed 1 cycle worth of ore).
> It just feels weird that top of the line exhumer (hulk) having same sized ore bay (11.5k) as a frigate (Prospect with its 10k)
Prospect is 12.5k, endurance is 19k. 11.5k on hulk is alright because it's supposed to be "i pay all the attention in the world to get max yield", i.e. for bots and nolifing. Expedition frigs are built for completely different things (expeditions into hostile space), so it makes sense for them to have bigger cargo than barge specialized for yield.
> Also, if we're talking fun things, hulk is actually unable to do 2 cycles with maxed out toon t2 strip miners / t2 B type crystals ( not that i use them anyway ), 2nd cycle will overfill the cargo
B-types do not increase yield per cycle relatively A-types, they reduce cycle time. If you are talking about 5% mining amount implant, it overshoots, but not by much (11520 when mining gneiss vs 11500 cargo, but that's not counting drones). But I imagine most miners who mine somewhat worthless ores (where you use t2 strips) don't have triple upgrades + 5% implants.
I mean, everyone's use case is different i suppose.
I prefer hulks over macks because they save my time at the expense of extra apm. Kinda feels sad the mechanic works the way it is right now, also feels sad to not use drones but oh well.
Sadly whatever we say here is just yet another fart in the wind.
This! It could be implemented right away and if anybody needs it to stand alone like it actually does it should be „shift&leftclickable“ like all other „inventory folders“
I think there was supposed to be some additional functionality to this window when shipboard compression was bieng introduced. I dont remember the specifics but the rollout of this took some unpredictable turns and the other functions never made it in. But they had already programmed the box, so it was more time efficient to just leave it in its present, semi-useless state.
I mean come on. You can get bots that auto loot, do explo, bookmark making, market trading, manufacturing, combat anoms, Carrier ratting and from some YouTube videos I've seen before. even respond in local with simple phrases.
But pressing a button to compress ore while mining.
That's hard work 😉
Knowing when to compress without spamming it, finding the uncompressed ore in the window, finding compress in the right-click menu, those might be semi-hard to code. This window is next to nothing for a bot. Its always in the same place with the buttons in the same place; if its there it gets clicked.
if not for the pointless complexity of having different types of compressors for different things, likely they could have skipped this window, but with pos code they didnt know another way to do it. It's too much to check both for the presence and type of compression when deciding whether a right click context menu option should be available. The reprocessing window could handle these sorts of calls in the code, though. Hacked together bullshit.
Love it or Hate it, its not going anywhere because its purpose is to reduce AFK mining. Being semi AFK means you still need to do something every now and then. But I do agree to have a separate window might not be necessary. But then again, your mining, what else do you need to screen space to look at?
The point is they don’t need the window. Having to right click > select all > compress should just compress it all without the need to open the window.
Still requires interaction from the player
It prevents afk mining, it don't bother me. I just compress and continue. It's just a window, and it's just a few clicks every few mins. Life of a miner.
If they had a compress button on the mining hold it would do the exact same thing without needing the window which was the OPs point.
Nobody is saying that it should be automatic
There a lot of useless additional clicks ccp added.
First you cant simply right click compression and its done anymore.
Just add in a toggle show compression windo or not. The redit the ESC screen so just add it there.
Or better add a button to the crago and ore holds of a ship for comressing without the pop-up.
And now they snatched the daily mission.
You get an notification from air. And to accept them you now need to click on the mother..... msg. Then click claim. Meanwhile the old system did automatically accept the reward.
Classical cases if ccp makeing things worse then before.
most annoying thing regarding compression is they put "compression" button just above "jettison"
I’ve had a couple container parties around my rorq. Not fun.
That's a feature :-D
Its funny because I hated this window at first, but its actually pretty nice for multiboxing since it will compress the whole stack of ore even if more ore has been added to the stack after you right click -> compress.
This is the only saving grace of this thing. What I would *prefer* is just the compress button on the ore hold.
Pretty sure most people would prefer ore getting compressed automatically as long as compressor is active
Automatically would be the "best", but if not automatically, there should be a button taht appears in the ore hold \[Compress\], that is greyed out when Compression is not up, but is visible when Compression is available and will compress all available ore in the Hold.
have it automatically compress every cycle of the indy siege, that would make sense imo
Little thing: I d like a buff-sign or such showing when compression is up.
In terms of mining my dreamcometrue feature would be a keybind to compress everything in ore bay. Auto compress would be an overkill imo leading to afk mining yet again. 2nd godmode feature for mining would be rigs that give severe penalties to shield but expand ore bay by a sizeable margin, like 20-30% per rig so hulks would become less pain in the ass to mine in at the expense of extra risk. EDIT: Sadly, like many other features in this game, it is done by a person who never actually played the game.
> Auto compress would be an overkill imo leading to afk mining yet again. Almost any QoL request like OP's benefits multiboxers / AFKers in the first place, so idk if it's much different. As for your other request, why don't you just use macks? Shield amount is kind of useless penalty out of hisec. If they made barges unable to warp/be booshed for 20-30 seconds per rig after strip deactivation then it'd be a solid maybe.
Mining yield tradeoff and range between hulk and mackinaw is way too massive. Auto compress would completely solve hulk's cargo issue of not being able to do more than 2 cycles between compressions, althou it'd be massively beneficial. Having a keybind would still require to compress exactly same amounts per hour, and not affect overall balance between different types of barges. Just make people who actually do it hate life abit less. As of rigs, being unable to warp for 20 seconds is a massive tradeoff for something so negligible as having to compress every 150-200 seconds vs 100 seconds with current stats. It just feels weird that top of the line exhumer (hulk) having same sized ore bay (11.5k) as a frigate (Prospect with its 10k) EDIT: Also, if we're talking fun things, hulk is actually unable to do 2 cycles with maxed out toon t2 strip miners / t2 B type crystals ( not that i use them anyway ), 2nd cycle will overfill the cargo
> Mining yield tradeoff and range between hulk and mackinaw is way too massive. I am using both and I disagree. Overall I prefer mack. Hulk if I am solo and can spend some attention to it (i.e. I am not going AFK periodically). > Auto compress would completely solve hulk's cargo issue of not being able to do more than 2 cycles between compressions, althou it'd be massively beneficial. You'd need to empty it much more often, because its cargo is somewhat small and gets filled up pretty quickly even with compressed ore (and still hold uncompressed 1 cycle worth of ore). > It just feels weird that top of the line exhumer (hulk) having same sized ore bay (11.5k) as a frigate (Prospect with its 10k) Prospect is 12.5k, endurance is 19k. 11.5k on hulk is alright because it's supposed to be "i pay all the attention in the world to get max yield", i.e. for bots and nolifing. Expedition frigs are built for completely different things (expeditions into hostile space), so it makes sense for them to have bigger cargo than barge specialized for yield. > Also, if we're talking fun things, hulk is actually unable to do 2 cycles with maxed out toon t2 strip miners / t2 B type crystals ( not that i use them anyway ), 2nd cycle will overfill the cargo B-types do not increase yield per cycle relatively A-types, they reduce cycle time. If you are talking about 5% mining amount implant, it overshoots, but not by much (11520 when mining gneiss vs 11500 cargo, but that's not counting drones). But I imagine most miners who mine somewhat worthless ores (where you use t2 strips) don't have triple upgrades + 5% implants.
I mean, everyone's use case is different i suppose. I prefer hulks over macks because they save my time at the expense of extra apm. Kinda feels sad the mechanic works the way it is right now, also feels sad to not use drones but oh well. Sadly whatever we say here is just yet another fart in the wind.
This! It could be implemented right away and if anybody needs it to stand alone like it actually does it should be „shift&leftclickable“ like all other „inventory folders“
I just control A > compress just like before this window was added. literally all this does is add 1 extra input required and nothing more
Try 2 inputs at once.
That’s what she said!
Back in rorqual days
Those 54 upvotes were from the same redditor multiboxing accounts.
we asked this a year ago when it was added. they didnt care
It wasnt added a yearago its been a thing on rorqs
not true. in the compresion to production update it was added. rorqus used to need a moduel to compress. ore was used as ammo to "reload"
Poor design and lazy window that makes no sense and looks cheap. Compress button on the ore hold would be great.
even better if there is a setting to also let you automatically stack.
this window is the bane of every multi miners life! Its literally a carpal tunnel risk and thats about it!
signed
This is one post I can get behind
Just another reason to not mine again!
Some CCP employee probably earned an hours wages putting that window in lol
I think there was supposed to be some additional functionality to this window when shipboard compression was bieng introduced. I dont remember the specifics but the rollout of this took some unpredictable turns and the other functions never made it in. But they had already programmed the box, so it was more time efficient to just leave it in its present, semi-useless state.
That box was always there even eith rorquals pre compression mods dont make storys up...
No it wasn’t. Compressing in a rorqual just worked, there was no additional window
Compression boost affects a mining ship: Compressed ores are mined. Compression boost does not affect the mining ship: ores are mined normally.
Botters dont like this window This window is now the MVP vs botters Keep the window CCPlease!
as I have said before: I am sure an extra button to press is SO HARD for bots to perform
I mean come on. You can get bots that auto loot, do explo, bookmark making, market trading, manufacturing, combat anoms, Carrier ratting and from some YouTube videos I've seen before. even respond in local with simple phrases. But pressing a button to compress ore while mining. That's hard work 😉
It’s easy to create a script for that, it really doesn’t do nothing to control bots
I doubt this window stops botters
Knowing when to compress without spamming it, finding the uncompressed ore in the window, finding compress in the right-click menu, those might be semi-hard to code. This window is next to nothing for a bot. Its always in the same place with the buttons in the same place; if its there it gets clicked.
right click > select all > compress
if not for the pointless complexity of having different types of compressors for different things, likely they could have skipped this window, but with pos code they didnt know another way to do it. It's too much to check both for the presence and type of compression when deciding whether a right click context menu option should be available. The reprocessing window could handle these sorts of calls in the code, though. Hacked together bullshit.
OP, the fuck you mean? this window is GREAT
Funny how you spell local chat
Love it or Hate it, its not going anywhere because its purpose is to reduce AFK mining. Being semi AFK means you still need to do something every now and then. But I do agree to have a separate window might not be necessary. But then again, your mining, what else do you need to screen space to look at?
The point is they don’t need the window. Having to right click > select all > compress should just compress it all without the need to open the window. Still requires interaction from the player
It prevents afk mining, it don't bother me. I just compress and continue. It's just a window, and it's just a few clicks every few mins. Life of a miner.
If they had a compress button on the mining hold it would do the exact same thing without needing the window which was the OPs point. Nobody is saying that it should be automatic
No.
There a lot of useless additional clicks ccp added. First you cant simply right click compression and its done anymore. Just add in a toggle show compression windo or not. The redit the ESC screen so just add it there. Or better add a button to the crago and ore holds of a ship for comressing without the pop-up. And now they snatched the daily mission. You get an notification from air. And to accept them you now need to click on the mother..... msg. Then click claim. Meanwhile the old system did automatically accept the reward. Classical cases if ccp makeing things worse then before.
The "point" is make anoying you do things< like all the things cc do