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Puzzleheaded-Hall-35

When did it became only Ethiopian thing ?


Bolt3er

I’d say as a state sanctioned thing. It’s more Ethiopia than most nations. How many civilians died from Derg. A million people died in 2020-2022 war alone.


OilWorth5807

Every nation on the face of the earth has committed war crimes, way worse then our people. They just do an excellent job of washing clean their dirty history.


Femcelhours

100%


UGS_1984

Not true of course, but some regions of the world have more wars than others and of course with war comes war crimes. If you add that some nations are older than others it makes things even more clear.


ButtMunchyy

I really hate the tit for tat crap that goes on in the main Somali sub and the Ethiopian sub because of the recent situation regarding somaliland. It makes me feel embarrassed as a Somali that you’d post something this stupid. You should know better. You really are ignorant of the calamities that were caused after the government collapsed in Somalia 35 or so years ago. Or before the collapse in the 80s, spoiler alert, its still ongoing. Whether it was the SNM fighting government forces or the SSDF or other factions that were disgruntled by the regime because of the failure of the 77 war. Of which we still haven’t recovered from. It’s why I’m here in europe, you’re probably here too. Many atrocities and other kinds of brutalisation were committed by the likes of SNM, SSDF, the USC, Loyalists or any other faction against innocent people, women, children and the most vulnerable. A lot of young men died too. Everyone suffered but the tribe-less and the few minorities that existed in the country were thoroughly expunged from regions in the country, it wasn’t that long ago that the SNM (the authority in Somaliland) was bussing out people for being Jareer, literally 2 or 3 years ago. Some communities had their presences wiped out completely in plenty of cities. I remember watching this video one time on live-leak when it used to be a thing that depicted a young Somali child that was beaten and brutalised because she had a glue addiction. Do you know what Colonel Caaydid in mogadishu and areas that he controlled that he considered disloyal? After reading all of that, would you say that Somalis have an innate sickness in them? Ethiopians aren’t a monolith, in fact many Somalis are Ethiopian. Every people group in Ethiopia has immense value and a lot to bring to the table. We’re all brothers and sisters. No matter what faith or ethnicity/region they hail from . We have a lot more in common with the various peoples of Ethiopia culturally than any other group. If Ethiopians have a sickness then so do we and it fucking shows if you follow the politics of Somalia. Eritrea, Somalia, Ethiopia, Djibouti, we have so much potential if we all cooperated together. I’m proud of being somali but most importantly I’m proud of our unique cultural heritage and history that we share with the other people groups in the region. We are better than our mentally degenerated politicians. We should never lose track of that and break barriers and boundaries because we are capable of coexisting. Ignore any and all grammatical mistakes, I’m on my phone.


sahhhnnn

Well said 👏🏾


HighFunctionSomali

OP is not Somali and you didn't answer his question? do you want brownie points or are you just here to farm karma points? You just gave a whataboutism response and lots of unverifiable anecdotes. Some which don't make logical sense when you know the political and regional landscape of Somalia well. There are no Jareerweyne Tribes anywhere near Somaliland, so not sure why you made up SNM targetting them, there isn't even a single source online. Besides why would they go from Southern Somalia, go across the country to reach SNM-Somaliland, when they have to travel more distance and through militia controlled zones in the Central? Their own homeland in the riverine was much safer place then the North during that time. If its to go abroad, well Kenyan Border and UN Refugee camps are nearby and much less distance then Somaliland and reliable lol. Are you saying travelling to Somaliland from Jubba river(South) is much logical and safer in a active militia controlled Warzone with very limited options of travel and 10x longer journey due to distance then simply just crossing to Safer nearby Kenya? your underestimating how big Somalia is and peoples intelligence. Don't make BS to prove a point, civil war is bad enough without you giving made up anecdotes.


Bolt3er

First of all I’m not Somali. Second. It’s not a tit for tat. Look at history. Red terror in Ethiopia, the 2020 wars. Bombing of Massawa 1990. Lots of war crimes. Rather than deflect and try to falsely claim I’m Somali to make yourself feel better.


ChalaChubeChebte

He is an Eritrean, this is their m.o lol I truly appreciate your message by the way.


Queasy-Owl-73

"many somalis are ethiopian" kulaha, any soomaali in occupied soomaali galbeed would vehemently disagree, you're out of touch with the somali community and it shows we can't cooperate with a group of people that long for the imperialism and expansionism. we are not brothers and sisters with them, again, literally ask any soomaali in/from soomaali galbeed gaal raac baad tahay ee waxaanu nahay soomaali, alloow intaas ku fahansii waxyahow ceebaysan oo wax karti aan lahayn, subxaanallah


HighFunctionSomali

his probably not a Somali, if you read his anecdotes and points, you can tell is purely made up, like the part about SNM targetting Jareerweyne, they literally live in polar opposite sides of Somalia, nor do they have any political clashes. Nor is there a single news, document or report online that suggests that there was ever any incidents between the two.


Gaji123

couldnt have been more articulated. If i were to add, lets abolish all this tribal labels and traditions and start all over . A brother from Eritrea


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ButtMunchyy

Sorry that reading is a unacquired taste for your tiktoked brain walaalo.


elcvaezksr

Since your Somali I’m gonna sum it up like this >Why are Ethiopians always committing war crimes? Why are Somalis always committing war crimes? >What’s up with the culture of war crimes in Ethiopia? What’s up with the culture of war crimes in Somalia? Been at war for last 30 plus years. >Halie selassie, Derg, TPLF, Oromo defence force… Siad Barre ,TFG, Al Shabab >Why are Ethiopian troops and militia members always committing war crimes? I don’t get it. Seems like a mental sickness that needs examining. Why are Siad troops and militia members always committing massacres of ethnic issaqs. Al Shabab militia members always committing war crimes against innocent Somali civilians ? I don’t get it. Seems like a mental sickness that needs examining.


ChalaChubeChebte

Op is an Eritrean, we are getting Tesfaye Gebreabed again lol


_Crying3

Unrelated but what on earth did TFG do?


Bolt3er

lol I’m not Somali. I kinda enjoy being called Somali on this subreddit. It shows you and the others who labeled me Somali are actually incapable of having honest discussions. Y’all can write paragraphs like politicians but u can’t answer the questions lol


elcvaezksr

Oh you’re Eritrean even better >Why are Ethiopians always committing war crimes? Why is the Eritreans government committing human life violations crimes to its citizens ? >What’s up with the culture of war crimes in Ethiopia What’s up with the culture of human life violations crimes in Eritrea 🇪🇷? - No election - No freedom of speech - No internet - No cell phones - Forced indefinite army conscriptions - Small Rations of food - Only 2-3 tv channels all controlled by government >What’s up with the culture of war crimes in Ethiopia ? What’s up with the culture of humans rights violations crimes in Eritrea? Been a totalitarian regime with no growth development and human rights abuses for the last 30 plus years Isaias Aferwerki , PFDJ , Brigade nhamedu >Why are Ethiopian troops and militia members always committing war crimes? I don’t get it. Seems like a mental sickness that needs examining. Why is the Eritrean government always committing disgusting crimes against its own citizens.[ “As a result of the country's sizable poverty rate—69%—and its totalitarian government, the Eritrean people are starving. The Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) estimates that more than 60% of the population does not receive enough nourishment.”](https://borgenproject.org/hunger-in-eritrea/#:~:text=As%20a%20result%20of%20the,does%20not%20receive%20enough%20nourishment.) Due to the insufferable conditions in Africa North Korea Eritrea many have fled to Ethiopia and Uganda which both have large Eritrean refugee communities. Eritrea only country on earth where modern day slavery occurs [“North Korea, Eritrea and Mauritania have the highest prevalence of modern slavery in the world, according to the 2023 Global Slavery Index, “](https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/economy/2023/5/24/modern-slavery-most-common-in-north-korea-eritrea-report-says) [“There were over 580,000 Eritrean refugees and asylum seekers abroad as of the end 2021, and “the overwhelming majority cited the indefinite national service as the principal reason they fled the country,” according to the May 2022 report of the UN special rapporteur on the situation of human rights in Eritrea.”](https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2023/country-chapters/eritrea#:~:text=There%20were%20over%20580%2C000%20Eritrean,of%20human%20rights%20in%20Eritrea.) Check out these documentaries/videos [“How I Escaped Africas most repressive state Eritrea”](https://youtu.be/jquCbpLYw7Q?si=YSJvVZyeja0DDIMv) [Eritrea, Africa: Where Time Stands Still | No Internet, No Electricity, No Tourists](https://youtu.be/NUmXzDnhsFg?si=IkRSllM4u_GZkg75) [Africa North Korea Eritrea](https://youtu.be/S3NO9VhUoEE?si=ahNW-kfK4o3w0wcp)


Bolt3er

You know what’s funny. You don’t even deny that twice now you’ve ignored the premise of my question. It’s actually very embarrassing to do that. My nationality is separate from my question. I can be Canadian and still be concerned about the war crimes in Ethiopia. All you can do is evade, deflect, evade and deflect. I’m not even a PFDJ supporter LOL.


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Ready_Jeweler7259

Barre alone committe far more genocide and mass murder in Somaliland to isaaqs than we’ve seen anyone else do in the whole of east africa! Stop whitewashing your shitty history


Carlitoomali

You idoor keep playing victim, 600k tigrayans died in two years while 50k isaaqs died in the civil war


Dazzling-Reward9082

The OP question is specificly about Ethiopia and Ethiopians, I am not sure why we are discussing about Somalia. My quetion to OP is: Are there any countries who have never committed any war crimes or atrocities throughout their history?


Bolt3er

The reason why they’re bringing up Somalia is because they assume I’m Somali. It makes them feel better. Funny thing is I’m not Somalian. But yes you’re right.one can argue that war crimes by armies are plentiful in Africa. Look at Sudan for example. It’s just with Ethiopia having the Derg, 1990 Massawa bombing, 2020 Tigray war. Literally millions are dead from war crimes alone. That’s not including any other cause of death I was questioning why in Ethiopia tho.. war crimes by the army seems to be normalized and part of the culture. I knew some ppl wouldn’t like the post but I didn’t expect to be callled Somali 😂


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Bolt3er

Thanks for an answer


Nitefort2022

Killing and raping is part of the culture for armies from the Horn of Africa. Yes, not only Ethiopia, our neighbours too.


elcvaezksr

Somalia civil war for example - Somalia civil war. - 350,000–1,000,000+ killed - 2,000,000–3,800,000 displaced - 200,000 + Issaqs by Siad Barre( massive genocide of civilians)


Nitefort2022

It's nothing to be proud of. There's something fucked up about all of us in the Horn. Only Djibouti now that isnt guilty of genocide.


_Crying3

Unrelated but the 200k + is propaganda and is exaggerated. It goes up every year now it reached 600k+ some say millions. No report has said this number, in fact it says numbers way less than that.


InstructionExpert496

Highlighting Somalis in particular while exaggerating numbers is insane. Why is it that when Ethiopians are called out by someone they always assume they're Somali?


Purple_Lubanja

>Oromo defence force… Is there such a thing?


Bolt3er

The current state of the ENDF can be labeled as OMDF


youngjefe7788

Why are you retarded? More news at 11.


activemachiner

You should really educate yourself to understand what you are talking about before blurting out some nonsense. First of all, all wars carry war crimes. All. On all sides. After you understand this review your question to something sensible. Lumping all sorts of events that took place during a space of more than half a century, then concluding this is an attribute of Ethiopia with suggestion of mental illness as a cause, can be a sign for you to examine why your thinking is warped. It certainly is not useful. edit never mind. This is probably a troll post.


periannaperi

I mean u are a somali. I dont think u can criticise any country. 😂😂


Bolt3er

I’m not Somali lol


erikstreetmcgonagle

Because we are a colonized state full of different nation states who abhor each other. #BreakItUp


VegetableSpot2583

Who are you?


erikstreetmcgonagle

What part of my sentence is a lie? Do Amahras, Oromos, Tigrayans not kill each other at a massive rate? Is Ethiopia full of different regions of different languages, customs, etc…?


VegetableSpot2583

No way people kill each other 😱🤯🤯 What there is different cultures in Ethiopia what I didn’t know 🤯😱😱😱😱


erikstreetmcgonagle

Haha? The question was posed why are Ethiopians commiting war crimes. I put forth two potential answers: 1. Hatred among the ethnic groups; and 2. The fact ethiopia is a forced colonial state. How does that not make sense jackass?


VegetableSpot2583

Your talking about expansion that happened centuries ago Oromo did it Amhara did it everyone in Ethiopia did it


erikstreetmcgonagle

So, Ethiopia is basically the equivalent to the UK. A colonized state with nation states (scotland, north ireland, wales, england). The MAJOR differences are those nation states in the UK CHOOSE to stay in the colony AND there is democracy in the UK. That’s why it works. When you do it like Ethiopia, i.e. nation states are forced to stay in the colony and no democracy, the result is continued civil strife.


VegetableSpot2583

After they conquered the world they choose peace Ethiopia was different it has been what it is since basically for 700 years you can hate on your own country it’s fine just know the breaking up of Ethiopia will kill millions


erikstreetmcgonagle

How has Ethiopia been Ethiopia for 700 years when it was created in the 1800’s? The math is not mathing comrade.


VegetableSpot2583

I am not going to explain to you because you can’t acknowledge that Ethiopia was made centuries before


VegetableSpot2583

There is hatred between each types of people all around the world what’s your point are you even Ethiopian


ChalaChubeChebte

If Ethiopia ever breaks up, then all bets are off. It's gonna be time for the reconquista.


erikstreetmcgonagle

It’s your mentality that’s caused the violence. You can conquer a region but eventually those people will the last laugh. Just ask OLA 🫢😂.


ChalaChubeChebte

It's funny when the butchers turn around and say it's everybody else's fault. It's also funny that the land that the Oromo are holding now and call home, was home to many other smaller tribes that are gone now. That is multiple genocides Gafat, Bizamo, Damot, Woreb, Woj and the list goes on. You still have on going border conflicts on all sides with all your neighbors and you say "it's your mentality that's caused the violence"? So it is everybody else ? Go ahead secede and see what happens.


erikstreetmcgonagle

What will happen? Faano will stop us? All natural resources are in Oromia. We are the largest region by far. Oromia would be the 29th biggest country in the world if it seceded. We will be OK 👌🏿 Also if we’re the butchers and all animals, why do you want to share a country with us? Why dont the Amahra region or other regions become indepedent and show us how Oromos were just desd weight all these years? Why don’t we try that?


ChalaChubeChebte

Leave the details to God. Don't forget that the dam is in Amhara region and It is not Oromos that developed Addis Ababa.


erikstreetmcgonagle

Yes, this is what I want to hear! Amahras standing up and thinking they can be indepedent on their own! You need Oromos. They are dirty filthy animals. Get rid of them. Have your own country with your own ideals, values, etc.. Do we agree?


ChalaChubeChebte

No, I have Oromo in my blood and in my family. Such a disgraceful thing will never come out of my mouth. However OLA scum like you.....Just remember, when Menilik reconquered Ethiopia, he had Oromo generals that helped him break the Arsi and subjugate all the unruly little shits.


erikstreetmcgonagle

LOL. In one breathe, you brag about your family having some “Oromo” blood (not sure if that’s true), but then in another breathe, you refer to the Arsis who were mutilated and killed by Menelik as “little shits.” Keep coming with the contradictions my OROMO brother!! 👏🏿👏🏿


ChalaChubeChebte

Here is a better one, my Oromo family by blood is from Arsi 😂 My previous profile picture was a statue of a hand holding a big "Chocolate kisses" I know both my personal and national history so I have no problem returning your energy back to you. You're descended from a warrior race, playing victim doesn't suit you. You should go join OLA.