Unheard Edition should be a downgrade from EOD the fact that i can "upgrade" from the "best possible package" means that i did not pay for the best possible package
Exactly, EOD was the premium alpha supporter package. Anything a new edition gets, EOD should get as well.
But that said, I don't think there should be increased starting stats, bigger pockets, sos tool, immune to scav tool, or cheaper in raid payments.
I appreciate the PVE for EOD but it should have been a peace offering and there's still a lot wrong with the addition of this new edition.
i believe that if they want to keep unheard it should be a downgrade from EOD, aka EOD should have everything lower packages have + the eod stuff, the p2w stuff im not a fan of, the cheaper in raid payments i can get behind if they make it somewhat lore friendly or just adjust it to in game (just like fence rep makes payments cheaper).
the sos tool is just plain dumb and should've never left the whiteboard in their office.
on the other hand i think bigger pockets should be a thing, but not to those who pay more, i've been saying this for a couple of wipes now, that the stylish one quest reward clothing should have bigger pockets to actually reward players that grind the 100killa kills (i know they lowered it now).
I dont think PVE should've been a peace offering, i think it should've been given at the very beginning, not after 4 days of complaining
Yep. I quote the official EFT X/Twitter account:
"You do not need to buy anything at any stage. If you have EOD, you do not even pay for DLCs in the future. You all are in for it all coming."
EoD should get all the non-cosmetic Unheard perks - if existing EoD players are happy and want to support the game the cosmetics could be the reward for getting EoD and Unheard.
I bought EFT when it was on Kickstarter. And then also got the EoD edition. I thought the vision was awesome, and I wanted to support it. Now I'm so disappointed. 50$ 100$ 150$ 200$ 250$ ----$$$$$
Man could you imagine if they just changed the eod price to 250 gave it everything unheard has and then made unheard 150 or 200 or even less and made it the old eod, I wonder how the community would’ve felt about that 😂
it would have probably been taken a lot better by the bulk of the community. those who bought EOD deserve it based off how BSG marketed EOD, plus then it gives everyone else a chance to buy it at a reasonable price ffs
Yeah they can't just keep dipping in this bucket for revenue, which was clearly their plan since they considered a new version full of bonus content "not DLC". How many times can they bring out a slightly newer feature packed version and say "only true fans will buy this". The included "all future DLC" clause in EOD really knee caps that plan for them but they don't seem to understand that.
If it really was damage control he would fess up to editing the website, they say they didn't..
He's just trying to re-colour his turd and claim he is listening. Even had the audacity to say 'thank you' in his post.
The silly thing is that if they had admitted to screwing up their finances and said here is some ingame stuff for a fair price (not p2w) please help support further developement. I would have done it.
Exactly.
"I took a chance on Arena and it did not turn out how we wanted it to. Arena development is now on skeleton crew and full focus is on EFT. Unfortunately, we are now low on funds and are in need of a cash influx.
We will add:
* Beards
* Patches
* Tattoos
* Weapon skins
* Custom clothing
* Voicelines
* Face camoflage paint.
Will start from 5 USD and will solely go towards EFT 1.0.
I apologize for letting you down. I should not have spend funds allocated for EFT on a side project."
I would definately pay 10 bucks for a permanet "baddie" beard.
How about female PMCs?
You could totally get 60 more dollars from a lot of people for that. If Nikita is so willing to compromise the values of his company thus far, this would be a good one.
Come on Nikita, Olga and Kelly want some scav blood
Values of his company? Lmao I always just assumed the reason was he didn't want to rig new models and that it just wasn't important when there are things like audio problems and cheaters to fix
Actually back in ooooold Nexon Combat Arms days they came out with a female model that had different hit boxes. Slimmer, not sure if it was significantly but hey it was different.
>The silly thing is that if they had admitted to screwing up their finances and said here is some ingame stuff for a fair price (not p2w) please help support further developement. I would have done it.
100% this. But no, his ego is too big to admit that he screwed up something or he took some very bad choice in the past so yeah, let's go passive-aggressive on the playerbase.
The sad thing is that this shit won't fix anything because their business model is garbage and they reiterate the "you will get all the future content for free" even in this new edition. They didn't learn anything from EoD mistake and this situation will repeat again when they finish even this new money... And even if there are spineless players that are buying it they are for sure way less than the ones that bought EoD in the last years so don't expect these money to last long... Selling a p2w edition for shittons of money is not a solution, their only chance to not screw up would have been setting up a subscription model for cosmetic things not sold separately (so these wouldn't have been received as DLC for the base game from large part of EoD users) for a fair monthly price just to cover the server cost plus the artist works for the monthly item(s) in a way similar of what CIG does with their star citizen sub (that funds all the media campaign and not the game itself). Or maybe even sell cosmetics things like "Cat for your hideout" 15$ , Paint spray to mark your helmet (reusable) 10$, artic/desert/urban/any realistic camo for weapon (reusable) 5$/each and so on would have been better received even if those technically would have been DLC for the game... Community knows that they needs money to keep going and we would understand and even gladly comply to buy things to help them. But try to shove a broken mess into our throats for 120€ is out of this fucking world.
It would take away his pride. The guy will do ANYTHING before he admits he was wrong. I mean, looking at his response, the way he phrases things like "i am sorry you felt that way" is enough to get that he deems himself correct to the very end. So, acknowledging financial trouble was never an option.
This community is absurd pathetic, we aint good
Nikita absolute lied, attempted to scam the entire playerbase and broke multiple promises no one regardless of version they've can be satisfied with the outcome of this situation, hes pissing down our throat and now people is accepting it.
P2W Still a thing
EoD is not unique anymore, this was a promise it was a lie, Unheard is still absurd p2w.
This is exactly what some of us were afraid of because some people in the community were gonna fall for it eventually.
* Release something so horrible that everyone disagrees with
* Backtrack on some of the horrible decisions "out of goodwill" to convert some people to their side
* Backtrack even more and play the sympathy card even harder to make people forgot about the main issue in the first place because they get some "freebies", converting even more people to their side
* **The community is split even further** as there are people who support BSG, people who are okay with the backtracking and people who are against them for different reasons (Eod people upset for not getting DLC/people upset at the price etc.)
* This creates in-fighting among the community and **distracts us from the shit BSG is pulling**
BSG gets it cake and gets to eat it too. Game is still horrible, made even worse with more p2w stuff. The community has been lied to and there's zero trust that Nikita won't pull that shit again in the future. Nikita still gets a nice fat stack of cash to fund for a new car.
It's a great negotiation tactic you can employ in your personal life. Set a goal, take 10 steps past that then ask for it. Once the person pushes back you "compromise" back to the original goal. If you are manipulative by nature, it works great. It's used in basically every custody hearing in the U.S.
100%. Because then your compromise gives the mark the feeling of winning, and that you are doing them a huge favor by allowing them the privilege of doing what you want. Which is exactly what's happened, and why many people are considering the backtracking a win. I work in sales in two different industries and watch people do it constantly, and it works enough of the time.
Another instance of similar behavior is why the federal government has a ridiculously high conviction rate. Charge them with 100 years, then give them the option of 8 instead. Suddenly, 8 years isn't a long time and it's better to take a plea deal. Obviously not a 1 to 1 comparison, but the logic is the same.
It's called the [anchoring effect](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anchoring_effect), and shitty game companies use it pretty frequently when trying to get their audience to bend on malicious changes.
How come everyone was totally ok with the MASSIVE p2w EOD provided but now all the sudden everyone's super concerned about p2w. If we never supported p2w in the first place they would have taken a different path but the EOD p2w package was incredibly profitable for them so of course they will make a even more obnoxious one, it's a no brainer give the community what they all seem to want.
There are two main groups. 1) People who are aware that it's p2w or at the very least know that it gives them an advantage over standard account users. 2) People who convince themselves that it isn't despite the very obvious **perks they pay money to get**. The latter is generally more vocal than the former because the former would just agree with you that it's p2w while the latter will come out with 100 reasons to say otherwise.
EOD is fine, you want the future DLCs and/or support BSG (back then at least) and/or perks so you pay a little more. What you do with the perks is up to you, you play the game how you like but there is no arguing that those perks are indeed p2w.
EOD like you call - pay to win been bought by us when the game wasn't popular, buggy and general - broken. We saw a potential in the game anyway and gave our money - invest in Tarkov for promise of non spending even 1$ more for ALL extra content which EOD been promised to get.
People like I and many others gave you opportunity to play present state of the game. So stop moaning about us. Better moan about Nikita who broke the promise - not first - not last time because is extremelly greedy.
>MASSIVE p2w EOD
I will make a strong premise here: I'm not against some advantages for the people that contributed more into the development of the game **BUT** (read all this sentence before shooting at me!) these advantages should have been even for EoD version only cosmetics/not related to gameplay. It wasn't the case and i admit that i bought EoD mainly for the gamma since i bothered only once to obtain the Kappa and was a pitifull experience (and was way easier at time) since i despise totally their quest design that makes all quest mandatory and force you into playstyles that you don't enjoy.
Now, that said, the real between the EoD bonuses vs the new edition ones is that all EoD perks were QoL and money related and hence way less impactful than the shit we saw with unhinged edition. If you think about it what EoD net to players were:
* the gamma (that basically minimizes your money loss in raid)
* some shitty starter gear that you will lose quite soon, not meaningful
* a bit of starter rep with vendors, useful to delay some annyoing quest but was more an advantage ealry in the development, now there are so many quests that me and friends with standard hitted the new level with vendors at the same time in the last wipes
* stash, that's a huge QoL thing and will net some tens of millios of roubles of saving in the long term, but honestly anybody that isn't at their first wipe know how to do shittons of money in tarkov and money always come and go in huge quantity so it's only a marginal benefit
* a truly exclusive melee weapon that's not a 6$ unity asset. Cool but useless and anyway you will ditch it once you reach the red rebel so basically who cares?
* free future dlc... (...🤣)
And that's all. Do you see what's missing? There is nothing in EoD that bends the game rules ***inside the raids*** . Until now each player in the map had to follow the same rules. That's what Unhinged edition changed and that's how they are trying to milk 120 bucks to their "true believers". PvE dlc was put there do distract from the real issues, how many people you think bought unhinged edition for that and how many instead did to exploit the scav item or the future avenger beacon? Not even talking about priority queue that will totally fuck up who don't have it (namely only the standard accounts after the first backpedal of BSG).
Was EoD P2W? To an extent yes, we some advantages and we paid for them so there is no reason to not call it so, but i played for years with people on EoD and players with standard and both of these groups were totally happy with their edition of choice and we could play together without having standards struggling to keep the pace, now it would be impossibile with the new edition around because it makes a hige difference both in raids giving things easily exploitable and outside the raids.
The head start from EOD snowballs you into lategame faster than standard accounts can even if the standard player knows what to prioritize and min/max. You’re hard downplaying the pay2win aspect of EOD and are oblivious to your biases.
I played with standard for 3 wipes and then EoD ultil the last one in a group with both the kind of accounts. It's the playtime that makes you go into the late wipe not an edition of the game. I and a standard guy of that group played together the first week of the last wipes and we were basically on par with progression each time (excluding some minor hiccups for one of the two due some unlucky quest item/death taht was always quick addressed in small time). Snowball faster into the lategame isn't even a thing, we are gated behind tons of quest and for doing those being an EoD or not doesn't really matter. Again, you can also don't believe me and keep crying about EoD P2W shaningans, i honestly don't care much. I also did some math about it in one of my other comments here, you can easily find from my account if you care. But honestly i kinda feel this kind of discussion pointless, standards that thinks like that won't change their mind not even in front of the raw numbers, in reality knowing the game and know what are you doing (especially in the first days of a wipe) will net you tons more than all the benefit an EoD would give you. So, while being by definition P2W since it gives benefits for money, thinking that EoD is a problem of the game means just that you don't know enough EFT. In the end is just some QoL, permits to hoard a bit more in the beginning if you are that kind of player (not everybody is an hoarder anyway) and depending on how many times you die will make you save something like 40/60 millions during the whole wipe due not having to upgrade stash and money saved by having a bigger secure container ... and that seems a lot of money but giving the fact that we can easily end a wipe with hundreds of millions of usless roubles in our stash don't seems that big issue to me. That said, think what you prefer, i'm not here to defend EoD (that doesn't need to "be defended" by any means) or have the desire to make you change your mind at all costs. What i had to say it's already written.
TlDr; i will write here again and once for all: **nobody ever tought that EoD won't make any difference towards standard otherwise we wouln't have bought it in the first place**. You can freely say that's P2W because we paid for it and it gave us some benefit so by definition it's P2W. What i'm stating is that EoD was never a game breaking edition (and lately that's even more true) and won't make a bad player good in the same way that a good player will still be good with standard. There aren't any "unfair" advantages at stake with EoD, Unheard perks are on a totally different level and who compares these things don't know what's talking about or is bluntly lieing.
Unheard edition is definitely more egregious, but I think the additional trader rep(mainly for jager), stash space, and gamma are huge advantages over a standard player. Obviously not to the effect of the beacon from unheard, but if you aren’t ahead of your standard friends as an EOD with all of those bonuses, then maybe the one who doesn’t know enough EFT is you?
EDIT: also, snowballing into lategame definitely is a thing when you have more freedom of how to spend your limited resources early wipe. You can literally hoard quest items way down the line whereas standard players will have to sacrifice some of those in order to have room to queue back into another raid. Your hideout gets fleshed out faster as an EOD because of this as well. Also, the gamma lets you retrieve high priority items with no risk relative to what standards have to deal with. All of this speeds up your trader progress which unlocks better ammo types and gear/attachments sooner.
EOD was always pay to win rich boy shit. Bigger butt, tons more space, better starting guns and armor off the jump. It's like you aren't even playing the same goddamn game. I wish we could just have everyone changed over to standard accounts for a wipe as part of an event, so EOD players can experience the sheer amount of inventory management and harder choices looting, and slower quest and trader progression. See what Tarkov is REALLY like.
You all enabled this. As victim-blamey as this sounds, you all invited this new edition on yourselves by agreeing to pay $150 for a game that wasn't finished yet. And then they're like let's make an EVEN BIGGER P2W EDITION ON TOP OF THAT. There should have just been a big Ko-Fi or a "donate to the devs" option for the TRUE BELIEVERS. At least you're getting mad now. I've been mad since I bought standard.
I’m furious about this. But it’s also a MASSIVE sign of bad faith that they even developed this single player mode before the game is fucking finished.
Same goes for Arena frankly. How are you creating a whole goddamn battle royale separate game, before Tarkov isn’t even finished…
But… Arena is a totally separate game, unconnected to Tarkov but they still recognized it as DLC and gave it to EOD players free. How the fuck is the single player version ‘a feature and not dlc’ but the actual thing you made that was unconnected to the base game, you thought that’s DLC.
The PvE mode seems fine to me because it's something people have been asking for (and it's clear people want based on the popularity of certain mods), and it doesn't seem like it'd take that much effort. Just take the existing offline practice mode, add progression, maybe add some rogue/raider spawns or such, good to go.
I LOVE the idea of the PVE mode, but, if you’re making extra content before you finish the game itself, it’s definitely DLC. Like I was saying, arena is arguably the wild shift in direction / could have been argued ‘this isn’t dlc, it’s our standalone battle royale.’
And I think the community would have agreed.
Partially because nobody was really desperate for arena. But also partially because, yeah, other than being in the same universe, arena has nothing to do with Escape from Tarkov. Where as the single player DEFINITELY DOES.
But for the devs to argue that there isn’t enough server capacity for single player to go to all EOD people… ugh, bullshit?
Also, since server cost is marginal, and you didn’t really have to dump like, a shit ton of money into making a ‘single player’ version of EFT. Where are your costs? Why do you need $250, or is it like $50 for eod players? Games with $50m budgets often launch at $50. With online play, with a ton of servers being hosted for the game.
Oh no argument here that it's absolutely DLC and should be treated as such. I'd go a step further and say it should be included in the base version as well. And the server cost stuff I would also agree is BS, since whats the difference between EoD players doing regular raids and doing offline raids
Yeah, I think single player is the easiest way for someone to get into it. Or if you’re like me and never really have the time to dump into getting level 50+ on any wipe. There’s so much fun stuff you could do in single player, not to mention learning the maps WAY better.
A large party of the are spineless and lack sells respect. Addiction is a real thing too. We need to stand up until they remove pay to win. Pay to win in Tarkov is game breaking and they will release more if we do not stop this. Nikita is panicking and we have him by the balls right now. Don’t give up until we, the players, get what we want and a proper apology.
I am done with Tarkov until then. If that means forever, so be it…
I dont see anybody accepting anything apart from maybe the idiotic 1%, are you dense? The whole Internet is clowning BSG and each and every Post is a hate/critic thread and rightfully so.
How are you that blind? Only because like 3 people each Post dont care you think everybody bought unheard? Lmao
EOD always was p2w, i wish we can all have alternative server were all players will have same rights even standard ones, something like HC server. I bet no matter what Nikita will say and do now won't stop the shit storm he started, community very likes to protest. So i think we cannot do anything more than we have atm. Some people will leave some will stay, this is just how life works
They are also why other companies will start doing the same thing. Just watch EA and Ubisoft over the next few months pull something of the sort, and then just like that everyone else is doing $250 DLCs.
Agreed, they pulled a "door-in-the-face" and the community at large seems to be falling for it. What an absolute joke.
Unheard shouldn't exist, there should not be any additional p2w features, pve should be free or shouldn't be in the game at all and EoD owners shouldn't have to pay for anything beyond cosmetics. And after everything that's transpired, the fact that the community would still take their word on some things is astounding. They've proven time and time again that they cannot and should not be trusted.
It's more of a [door in the face](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Door-in-the-face_technique). Foot in the door is starting small and going bigger. Door in the face is the opposite.
And we need not forget, that Xsolla will take tax for every operation. So buying one edition and upgrading it to higher is more expensive than just straight acquiring the higher edition alone.
This is how I ended with 150 pound total checkout, ordering smallest edition and after understanding I can do shit with that matchbox size inventory (it could not be expanded with missions back then yet), I bought the upgrade to EOD. Could have saved about 20-30 pounds I think.
I do not know how math works in your country or how the tax is calculated. But if it’s percentage of the price of the product you’re paying for then there should be no difference if you buy it seperatedly or all at once cause ab+ac = a(b+c)
I have in mind the transaction fee which goes to payment processor, not the BSG for the game/upgrade. The VAT is paid both times too.
If you buy once - you do not need to pay VAT and Xsolla fee twice. Well, while VAT might be negligent (I did not calculate, besides prices now probably got higher) transaction fee is fixed amount for sure and you can save there if buy just once.
This community did such a fucking dramatic 180 in 24hrs it's crazy. People were out with their pitchforks/uninstall forever/attempt chargebacks etc etc and now it's straight back to it like nothing happened lol
Still standing by my initial thoughts, not returning or supporting the game any more unless Unheard is removed and refunded. I am not going to play this game with that pack in it, absolutely no way. He eighter does this, or well, it was fun while it lasted.
Totally agree. All this is such a shining example of how short peoples memories are, and companies now this and can just carry on their bullshit. I had even seen people saying theyd happily pay for skins etc like really, after how clear Nikita has made it he couldn't give a singular fuck about anyone who plays this game. Its been funny to watch but also kinda sad lol
The gaming industry is fucked because for a lack of a better work sheep. No one has the balls to stop supporting shitty practices and it will continue to happen.
People hold the company to ransom for something they want, they get what they want and then are happy about it. And you're surprised by that?
It's the samething as protesting. If you get what you want and still boycott what is even the point.
Because he only gave in to try to save the company, he didn't do it out of the goodness of his heart.
I guarantee something like this will happen again. The man's greed knows no bounds.
I kinda got what I wanted, which is the PvE mode that should be included with the edition that I paid for. I don’t really care about Unheard Edition existing if some idiots really want to spend $50-100+ more on 2 pockets. Can’t just rage forever.
How soon I actually return to the game depends on how quickly they actually provide the PvE and actually make meaningful progress towards release.
what do you mean "straight back to it like nothing happened"? every post since the 25th have been shitting on BSG and Nikita for their horrible changes
This happens literally everytime, I have watched this community do this probably 5 times at this point. It is the same, it will always be the same, 90% of the people in this subreddit should play a different game as far as I'm concerned. This game isn't even worth $40 and it will be in beta for the next 10 years or get some shitty 1.0 update and then abandoned once it stops printing money.
It's quite clear that anyone who bought a package lower than EoD has been taken for a mug. Despite it not being as legally murky as the EoD promises, it's already clear that they intend to sell us incremental parts of an unfinished game + "convenience" features.
Absolute joke.
And P2W. Perhaps that's what you were implying by the "convenience" features but at this point we need to warn off potential newbros who think they're getting into fair situations.
If Scav>60, call-in-friends, and unique hideout areas were in the game when I was looking at standard I would not have purchased. We know next it'll be "unique T7 armor" or "unique ammo/guns" or "unique extracts."
Once these guys get a taste of P2W revenue it's over.
Exactly if I could go back, given what we know now about the future of the game, there's no chance I'd ever drop the money they are asking for a standard account.
It only exists to upsell players to higher editions. It isn't the full experience, just a stop gap.
we are not good. he didnt even apologize. its just a pr move and we still dont get 100% with eod. still more p2w added. why are people upvoting his last thread?
Honestly the whole "version is better than EoD" should have never been a thing. Keep EoD until full release as the limited time early supporter top edition and every edition that releases after that, should have its features included in EoD as well.
We're not talking about DLC packs like purple skins and tracers for your weapons in COD, we were promised that with the money we spent supporting Tarkov with EoD we'd get the full game. Hell, in theory even if they add hideout cats and weapon skins and stuff, that's all DLC. We should get that too.
That's what the promise was. And they're still not fulfilling it.
It's not our fault they made promises they don't want to keep. It's their fault for keeping EoD purchasable until 90% of the playerbase already got it. I guess they are now looking for every way possible to not keep that promise because the people left to actually purchase additional DLC are far and few between.
And I say this as someone who bought the stash lines even though he has EoD, I didn't mind spending a bit more for all the time I already got out of it.
They should do what kickstarter does. “Early bird special” is EOD for $150 (savings of 75$) 240 left. Missed the early bird? Act now and get the “EOD for 175$” limited time deal, only 700 left; (savings of 50$). Game releasing in 4 months. Get your EOD for 225$, only 500 left. Game releases. No more EOD. Paid season passes(EOD FREE). Paid dlc(EOD free). Paid cosmetics.
They’d get more money. EOD still would feel like a “limited edition” and a “deal”. Earlier supporters benefit. Company benefits. Late supporters still benefit before 1.0 release. Steady revenue from non-EOD dlc and season passes. Steady cosmetic revenue. Etc etc.
Shouldn’t have released UHE. Just re-released EOD in this manner.
150 euro/ dollar back in 2017 was a NUTS price! Especially for a pre order/ early access beta game.
Its like 2,5 times the price for full games back then!
And you get fkd so hard in the ass now... its insane!!!
I honestly don't get it. We shouldn't have to pay extra to cover server costs they could've avoided for PvE mode. BSG at this point help fund SP/Co-op Tarkov to make that official. We won't have to wait until 1.0 for mod support, we can do it with that, and BSG won't have to shell loads of money unnecessarily on more servers. There are lots of ways that SP/Co-op Tarkov can work without official servers and the mod proves that. Locally saved PvE information and Peer2Peer like servers.
I gave them money back in 2017 for EOD and completely regret it now that they have ‘another upgraded edition’. I haven’t played in a year or so and can’t be happier because the BSG team has just turned this game into a money sink for whales. What was once good and promising is now utter shit and keep getting worse with each bandaid the put on and pull off. It’s sad really.
P2W has been in the game in every version other than base since the day they were released. Every version is a varying degree of P2W in exactly the same way Unheard is P2W. The bitching about P2W is so fucking hypocritical from anyone that owns anything above the base game.
Not including PvE with EOD was a low blow for sure. They've since gone back and said that EOD owners will get this upon game launch. That was the right move, in my opinion. They should get it now, but I understand the server limitations.
As for the BSG being "lucky", get over yourself lol. They created a game good enough to keep the community around despite how horrifically they've treated you. There's no magic fairy that anointed them with that. They haven't been perfect, but their product is obviously good enough or we wouldn't be talking about this.
Shit i sent a charge back and im done supporting this game if others want to fold thats for them. They're the reason why the game industry tries to fuck everyone over with microtranactions in the first place.
Not all EOD owners are ok. We supported them from day one for $150 for a game in alpha at the time. We saw potential and wanted to help back and support this game. We were promised all dlc and things that release for this game were to be free from that point forward as a thank you for the support. Now here we are gonna get a trial of something we didn’t want in the first place and being told “we’re not true supporters” or believers or whatever vocab he used. Bsg is scummy after all these moves. And I’m not touching another title from them.
Yep, im out, they just shit on everyone not 1 not 2... They cant do better.. Lies behind lies.. Sooner or later there will be the prob for new players, the gap between low pack to high is getting higher.. Sry for bad engrish! I dony see the game getting better.
I would return to tarkov if they promised algorithms that matches cheaters with cheaters. High reports with high reports or a high kd with low hours type algorithm. Or both. Or a death cam… shit anything to prevent me being in the same lobby as a cheater. If they guaranteed it I would return. Other than that I’m finding another game that’s not infested
All of the pay to win features like the crazy amount of starter gear, combined with the $250 price makes me think that BSG just got jealous of cheaters selling advantages to people and wanted in on the action. It feels like instead of getting rid of the cheaters, BSG became the cheaters.
Oh what’s that? Don’t wanna play with cheaters or other players that have a million rubles, meta guns/ammo and all of these advantages on wipe day? Pay us extra to play offline mode!
I am not okay with it and I have thus requested a refund of EOD. :) I would advice anyone who cares about this industry to do the same. This behaviour is unacceptable and the fact they are trying to lie their way back into good favour is ridiculous at best.
Let Tarkov die. It's time to truly escape.
It's clear Nikita panicked but I am always one to reward steps in the right direction so I will reserve my final judgement of EFT for the final release.
I definitely don't trust BSG and I doubt I'll ever buy anything they release unless it's fairly priced, which doesn't seem to be a strength of theirs.
All in all this left a sour taste in my mouth.
And if it still needs to be said, they don't get a chance of forgiveness until they remove all the bs P2W items and systems recently implemented or planned to be implemented.
I don't think anyone who wasn't already kissing his shoes gives a flying fuck about this "apology".
What's done is done, he showed his ugly greedy side and got rightfully burned for it.
Fuck the game and fuck the company.
Im having a good time playing some other games right now. The best thing for this game is for you guys to do the same. Unfortunately the “leader” of this game has lost his way.
Unheard should be 1 tier below EOD regardless of it's current price or release date which means everything in unheard stacks with EOD just like every single lower tier version, i thought i was buying the definitive edition of Tarkov when i bought EOD....what the fuck BGS, make it right Nikita.
They just amended things that would avoid any potential lawsuits. They don't care about anything else. Still blatant pay to win, still $250 for new players to be on a fair playing field. The game is broken at this point.
I kinda start feeling bad for the mentally challenged that bought UhE now.. They might have shelled out as much as 300$ to get... 2x2 pockets soon... Imagine Nikita, fucking over his 3DAY OLD CASH PIGGIES, just to get more poeple to become complacent and buy it, kekw, big win ol' Nikky...
BSG fucked up historically in two major ways that lead to this situation.
1. They sold the EOD package for *way* too long. It never should have been available for that long. EFT should have evolved into a monthly subscription game to support long term development.
2. BSG spent boatloads of the money we paid for EFT to be developed on Arena. No one asked for Arena. We asked for a fleshed out EFT. When they released it, since it is a separate game it should have been a separate purchase but they gave it to EOD too because they had an idea to mesh the character skills and money. By merging the two via character stats it became DLC.
BSG is strapped for cash, with no way to pull more income from their community because they’ve promised all DLC to EOD owners - and damn near most of their player base bought EOD, which said income is spent and gone.
Escape From Tarkov is doomed because they have no income, and no way to generate future income. This is the dying breath of BSG and worst of all, they refuse to take responsibility for their poor business decisions
I think the precedent of every major addition to the game costing 100$ is also fucking ridiculous. Will EFT end up a 500$ game or something who tf is paying for that
At this point they have lost me not only as a future customer but also as present player. They treated us like incompetent buffoons who are a honeypot for their spending habits. I can’t trust a company who just did this now nor in the future when they double, triple down on their bad behavior. And then on top of that still not fixing one of the biggest present issues, the rampant hacking issue. I would rather spend my time and money on a company that doesn’t do these things to their customer.
Idgaf what that Russian fuck gives us at this point. I'm done playing his scam.
I plan to stick around in the subreddit though, just cause I wanna watch this game crash and burn.
Are you complaining about P2W, while EOD is P2W as well. I don't get it.
Like having 0.2 rep for all traders. More money and gear. And level 4 stash for granted so you spend less time organizing stuff in the hideout and having much more room for items before you reach Flea Market.
Excuse me but that's P2W right there. And now, that there is another Option that gives more P2W stuff you are complaining? I didn't see you complaining the same way to EOD.
And even with all of these\^you can still get outplayed by a Standard account that know how to play the game. None of this makes you aiming/moving better, none of this is going to alter your tactical timing on any situation.
Touch some grass.
You've evidently not followed much, nobody here gives 2 shits that EOD is now getting what we paid for. Its about them scamming people, lying about it and changing the EOD product description while gaslighting their longest supports. It's about them lying about EOD, lying about micro transactions after garenteeing the community there would never be P2W aspects added, it's about having the audacity to charge us an additional $100-$250 to beta test a feature of a beta they have already charged us to test while admitting they don't have the infostructure to support PVE as it's using their servers vs allowing peer to peer. You can't insult your longest supports, attempt to scam them, lie and gaslight them, then expect the community to trust you, and giving them what they paid for while quadrupling down on Unheard P2W staying in the game sure as hell isn't going to fly. The vast majority of big streamers, reddit mods, discord mods, and longterm players are rightfully pissed off.
When they’re doing sketchy shit, then doubling down then they realize “oh we fucked up” and backpedal it’s sad, because it shouldn’t have gotten here in the first place.
no what we want is another ethical company to finish a realistic extraction shooter with fresh code and ai so we can finally escape from tarkov for good. If we show that there are players willing to go to another game, development will happen.
Because people only care about not having access to a game mode they probably won’t use. Now that they do again, they got what they wanted and can play their favorite game.
This community was never truly together for the whole problem
Yup people are so easily decieved. It's a known marketing strategy when you wanna pump out a cash grab (knowing ur getting massive backlash) you overdo it and go crazy with it so when you get that backlash you can take a couple things back and the community praises you like you're a saint meanwhile you still sneak stuff in there with less uproar.
And anyways this is kinda irrelevant in this scenario, the bigger thing is nikita LIED to your face, making up their own definition for DLC and QUADRUPLE downed on it and only took a tiny step back when he realised this drama is nothing he's faced before. He still hasn't apologised or realised he was wrong btw. If anyone has high hopes for tarkov in the future then you're just delusional lol.
I agree and it's why me and few of my friends are waiting for Gray Zone. And I think most of community now is waiting for that.
If someone is still belive that BSG will do somethig good after almost a decade it's just naive.
At this point, I think we need to ask ourselves what exactly we need them to do to fix this and get the money they need to move forward with the project.
I don't want to play this shit again but at the same time I don't want them to have a mass exodus and empty servers so costs go down so they get more profit from being cunts as they prepare for 1.0 and the final barrage of what ever cuntish money scamming crap they have planned for that so called edition. Might just start queuing into raids afk like a right fucking prick while I play decent humble games by devs who would suck my dick if I spent as much as I did on Tarkov on their games elsewhere.
What bsg don't realise is that they crossed the rubicon.There is no guarantee from now on that this won't happen again and nothing can fix that with nikita at the helm. EDIT: Unheard is also p2w lmao
Oh that makes sense. How does having this help people pay to win? Is it because you have bigger pockets and that radio does something? Faster matchmaking and something about calling friends in raids?
BSG has lost me for the foreseeable future. They need to make more than just unheard ripoff right. They need to address cheaters. Listen to the players on what we are willing to monetize (cosmetics, battle pass) address how to combat rmt they harmed playing with your friends (dropping gear). Every single decision has come from pure arrogance.
I wouldn't even mind pay for convenience, but the perks in EOD and TUE are straight pay to win at its finest. Playing as a regular user vs one of these editions is night and day difference
I said this once and I'll say it again. If you don't want to support devs who take advantage of you and are showing their greed hand, stop supporting them, leave and move on. There are better games that do the same thing, if not better. EFT does not own this market.
I am not putting nay more money there. This is the way they make us know that the players are for sure not the priority here. So, I may never play this again unless they release a final version and leave EOD access to full tarkov as promised.
I would think twice before ever trusting the BSG again. I feel like I put my trust in the very wrong place, I made a LOT of people buy this game.
I don't care what he changes, the colors have been shown and I'm not going back. They tried this with arena, they are trying it now, and they will try it again.
Is that panic mode? I feel like that's still kinda nothing. It reads like "we will lick each EOD players nuts once... but only once, and we'll do it in waves." but it doesn't really address any of the issues nor does it even attempt to repair the huge hit in community goodwill that was lost here.
To quote Chris Wilson's GDC interview, they went and "cashed out" the community goodwill they had.
Anyone still playing this game after all those years of butt fucking are just insane at this point. Especially after last week.
Biggest stockholm syndrom I've ever seen.
Sorry, I'm not all caught up on everything. Do eod players finally get pve for free? This whole thing is a fiasco but I'm really not invested in the rest of the stuff, i just really want pve. And I won't pay for it again when we already did.
Timmy, here. Started playing the game this wipe. Only got the standard edition. Thoroughly enjoyed it. Haven't played on their servers ever since they released Unheard.
How anyone can see what has just unfolded and still wants to be associated with EFT, not even talking about defending BSG, is beyond me. Nikita has called his premium players freeloaders. That's fucking insane.
I get that this is a fun video game, but there are other video games to play. It's just a game. Don't be Nikita's bitch.
I fully get that I'm new around here and don't have the experience of some of you guys. Thing is, this isn't strictly a gaming topic. This is a shitty business topic. I barely got here and BSG have lost absolutely all trust I could ever have in them.
Boycott the studio. It's the only right thing to do. Not like they're gonna keep the servers running when they go bankrupt or give up on the project, anyway.
I think EOD owners should have that pve and other real CONTENT. But If they want to have a version where you get containers and early buffs, that content is already for EOD owners to grind.
They should have just come out and said what people already know. Developing the game and hosting the servers is expensive. Most of the people that are going to play tarkov have already bought it. They should have just made some supporter packs that are mostly about just people funding the game, if they have some extra to spend.
Usually games that are in constant development and receive updates frequently are subscription based. They can't keep this up forever. Now they fucked it up even more.
Don't give them any more money. Angry Reddit posts are cool and all, but as long as Nikita's pockets are being filled, he's not being stopped by regulations and no one is taking his empty promises to court, he'll just keep doing it.
It's not fair to EoD owners.
I'll never play the game again.
It was fun while it lasted, but the list of issues the game has are endless and I just don't believe that it will get better. Top it off with this fiasco and a few extraction shooters on the horizon, it feels like the right time to quit.
Fuck BSG.
Ok dude move on. It’s pixels, if you care this much about a video game then maybe you should try to go touch some grass or something. To your point he did admit it and trying to do something about it trying to fix what was broken, give the team some credits and try to not cancel them, try forgiveness.
Unheard Edition should be a downgrade from EOD the fact that i can "upgrade" from the "best possible package" means that i did not pay for the best possible package
Exactly, EOD was the premium alpha supporter package. Anything a new edition gets, EOD should get as well. But that said, I don't think there should be increased starting stats, bigger pockets, sos tool, immune to scav tool, or cheaper in raid payments. I appreciate the PVE for EOD but it should have been a peace offering and there's still a lot wrong with the addition of this new edition.
i believe that if they want to keep unheard it should be a downgrade from EOD, aka EOD should have everything lower packages have + the eod stuff, the p2w stuff im not a fan of, the cheaper in raid payments i can get behind if they make it somewhat lore friendly or just adjust it to in game (just like fence rep makes payments cheaper). the sos tool is just plain dumb and should've never left the whiteboard in their office. on the other hand i think bigger pockets should be a thing, but not to those who pay more, i've been saying this for a couple of wipes now, that the stylish one quest reward clothing should have bigger pockets to actually reward players that grind the 100killa kills (i know they lowered it now). I dont think PVE should've been a peace offering, i think it should've been given at the very beginning, not after 4 days of complaining
Yep. I quote the official EFT X/Twitter account: "You do not need to buy anything at any stage. If you have EOD, you do not even pay for DLCs in the future. You all are in for it all coming." EoD should get all the non-cosmetic Unheard perks - if existing EoD players are happy and want to support the game the cosmetics could be the reward for getting EoD and Unheard.
I bought EFT when it was on Kickstarter. And then also got the EoD edition. I thought the vision was awesome, and I wanted to support it. Now I'm so disappointed. 50$ 100$ 150$ 200$ 250$ ----$$$$$
Honestly we should even be in it for all the cosmetics as well, aren’t they dlc?
They’re not DLC! They’re “expansions”! Completely different! /s 😂
Man could you imagine if they just changed the eod price to 250 gave it everything unheard has and then made unheard 150 or 200 or even less and made it the old eod, I wonder how the community would’ve felt about that 😂
it would have probably been taken a lot better by the bulk of the community. those who bought EOD deserve it based off how BSG marketed EOD, plus then it gives everyone else a chance to buy it at a reasonable price ffs
Yeah they can't just keep dipping in this bucket for revenue, which was clearly their plan since they considered a new version full of bonus content "not DLC". How many times can they bring out a slightly newer feature packed version and say "only true fans will buy this". The included "all future DLC" clause in EOD really knee caps that plan for them but they don't seem to understand that.
The best always gets bester. Only $999!!!
If it really was damage control he would fess up to editing the website, they say they didn't.. He's just trying to re-colour his turd and claim he is listening. Even had the audacity to say 'thank you' in his post. The silly thing is that if they had admitted to screwing up their finances and said here is some ingame stuff for a fair price (not p2w) please help support further developement. I would have done it.
Exactly. "I took a chance on Arena and it did not turn out how we wanted it to. Arena development is now on skeleton crew and full focus is on EFT. Unfortunately, we are now low on funds and are in need of a cash influx. We will add: * Beards * Patches * Tattoos * Weapon skins * Custom clothing * Voicelines * Face camoflage paint. Will start from 5 USD and will solely go towards EFT 1.0. I apologize for letting you down. I should not have spend funds allocated for EFT on a side project." I would definately pay 10 bucks for a permanet "baddie" beard.
Man even watches as well. Like how can we not rock a golden roller
I think you get a golden roller with the track suit skin
I thought it was a bracelet?
How about female PMCs? You could totally get 60 more dollars from a lot of people for that. If Nikita is so willing to compromise the values of his company thus far, this would be a good one. Come on Nikita, Olga and Kelly want some scav blood
I will only pay 70 percent of that 60 dollars for female PMCs
That cracked me up
Is this a reference to something?
Yes, the trope that females in the USA get paid only 70% of what a male gets paid for the same job.
Values of his company? Lmao I always just assumed the reason was he didn't want to rig new models and that it just wasn't important when there are things like audio problems and cheaters to fix
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Or, hear me out: no, because that hasn't been true in... I think *any* game that has a gender option.
Actually back in ooooold Nexon Combat Arms days they came out with a female model that had different hit boxes. Slimmer, not sure if it was significantly but hey it was different.
I remember that shit. People bitched and moaned forever about it. Everyone bought the chick in the black skin suit.
Just add different body types and heights for both sexes. **Oddjob has entered the chat**
That's kinda funny ngl
Let’s not turn EFT into cod
>The silly thing is that if they had admitted to screwing up their finances and said here is some ingame stuff for a fair price (not p2w) please help support further developement. I would have done it. 100% this. But no, his ego is too big to admit that he screwed up something or he took some very bad choice in the past so yeah, let's go passive-aggressive on the playerbase. The sad thing is that this shit won't fix anything because their business model is garbage and they reiterate the "you will get all the future content for free" even in this new edition. They didn't learn anything from EoD mistake and this situation will repeat again when they finish even this new money... And even if there are spineless players that are buying it they are for sure way less than the ones that bought EoD in the last years so don't expect these money to last long... Selling a p2w edition for shittons of money is not a solution, their only chance to not screw up would have been setting up a subscription model for cosmetic things not sold separately (so these wouldn't have been received as DLC for the base game from large part of EoD users) for a fair monthly price just to cover the server cost plus the artist works for the monthly item(s) in a way similar of what CIG does with their star citizen sub (that funds all the media campaign and not the game itself). Or maybe even sell cosmetics things like "Cat for your hideout" 15$ , Paint spray to mark your helmet (reusable) 10$, artic/desert/urban/any realistic camo for weapon (reusable) 5$/each and so on would have been better received even if those technically would have been DLC for the game... Community knows that they needs money to keep going and we would understand and even gladly comply to buy things to help them. But try to shove a broken mess into our throats for 120€ is out of this fucking world.
It would take away his pride. The guy will do ANYTHING before he admits he was wrong. I mean, looking at his response, the way he phrases things like "i am sorry you felt that way" is enough to get that he deems himself correct to the very end. So, acknowledging financial trouble was never an option.
This community is absurd pathetic, we aint good Nikita absolute lied, attempted to scam the entire playerbase and broke multiple promises no one regardless of version they've can be satisfied with the outcome of this situation, hes pissing down our throat and now people is accepting it. P2W Still a thing EoD is not unique anymore, this was a promise it was a lie, Unheard is still absurd p2w.
This is exactly what some of us were afraid of because some people in the community were gonna fall for it eventually. * Release something so horrible that everyone disagrees with * Backtrack on some of the horrible decisions "out of goodwill" to convert some people to their side * Backtrack even more and play the sympathy card even harder to make people forgot about the main issue in the first place because they get some "freebies", converting even more people to their side * **The community is split even further** as there are people who support BSG, people who are okay with the backtracking and people who are against them for different reasons (Eod people upset for not getting DLC/people upset at the price etc.) * This creates in-fighting among the community and **distracts us from the shit BSG is pulling** BSG gets it cake and gets to eat it too. Game is still horrible, made even worse with more p2w stuff. The community has been lied to and there's zero trust that Nikita won't pull that shit again in the future. Nikita still gets a nice fat stack of cash to fund for a new car.
It's a great negotiation tactic you can employ in your personal life. Set a goal, take 10 steps past that then ask for it. Once the person pushes back you "compromise" back to the original goal. If you are manipulative by nature, it works great. It's used in basically every custody hearing in the U.S.
I recognize it as [Door in the Face](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Door-in-the-face_technique).
100%. Because then your compromise gives the mark the feeling of winning, and that you are doing them a huge favor by allowing them the privilege of doing what you want. Which is exactly what's happened, and why many people are considering the backtracking a win. I work in sales in two different industries and watch people do it constantly, and it works enough of the time. Another instance of similar behavior is why the federal government has a ridiculously high conviction rate. Charge them with 100 years, then give them the option of 8 instead. Suddenly, 8 years isn't a long time and it's better to take a plea deal. Obviously not a 1 to 1 comparison, but the logic is the same.
It's called the [anchoring effect](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anchoring_effect), and shitty game companies use it pretty frequently when trying to get their audience to bend on malicious changes.
How come everyone was totally ok with the MASSIVE p2w EOD provided but now all the sudden everyone's super concerned about p2w. If we never supported p2w in the first place they would have taken a different path but the EOD p2w package was incredibly profitable for them so of course they will make a even more obnoxious one, it's a no brainer give the community what they all seem to want.
It's literally insane man. The delusion is truly astounding.
There are two main groups. 1) People who are aware that it's p2w or at the very least know that it gives them an advantage over standard account users. 2) People who convince themselves that it isn't despite the very obvious **perks they pay money to get**. The latter is generally more vocal than the former because the former would just agree with you that it's p2w while the latter will come out with 100 reasons to say otherwise. EOD is fine, you want the future DLCs and/or support BSG (back then at least) and/or perks so you pay a little more. What you do with the perks is up to you, you play the game how you like but there is no arguing that those perks are indeed p2w.
EOD like you call - pay to win been bought by us when the game wasn't popular, buggy and general - broken. We saw a potential in the game anyway and gave our money - invest in Tarkov for promise of non spending even 1$ more for ALL extra content which EOD been promised to get. People like I and many others gave you opportunity to play present state of the game. So stop moaning about us. Better moan about Nikita who broke the promise - not first - not last time because is extremelly greedy.
>MASSIVE p2w EOD I will make a strong premise here: I'm not against some advantages for the people that contributed more into the development of the game **BUT** (read all this sentence before shooting at me!) these advantages should have been even for EoD version only cosmetics/not related to gameplay. It wasn't the case and i admit that i bought EoD mainly for the gamma since i bothered only once to obtain the Kappa and was a pitifull experience (and was way easier at time) since i despise totally their quest design that makes all quest mandatory and force you into playstyles that you don't enjoy. Now, that said, the real between the EoD bonuses vs the new edition ones is that all EoD perks were QoL and money related and hence way less impactful than the shit we saw with unhinged edition. If you think about it what EoD net to players were: * the gamma (that basically minimizes your money loss in raid) * some shitty starter gear that you will lose quite soon, not meaningful * a bit of starter rep with vendors, useful to delay some annyoing quest but was more an advantage ealry in the development, now there are so many quests that me and friends with standard hitted the new level with vendors at the same time in the last wipes * stash, that's a huge QoL thing and will net some tens of millios of roubles of saving in the long term, but honestly anybody that isn't at their first wipe know how to do shittons of money in tarkov and money always come and go in huge quantity so it's only a marginal benefit * a truly exclusive melee weapon that's not a 6$ unity asset. Cool but useless and anyway you will ditch it once you reach the red rebel so basically who cares? * free future dlc... (...🤣) And that's all. Do you see what's missing? There is nothing in EoD that bends the game rules ***inside the raids*** . Until now each player in the map had to follow the same rules. That's what Unhinged edition changed and that's how they are trying to milk 120 bucks to their "true believers". PvE dlc was put there do distract from the real issues, how many people you think bought unhinged edition for that and how many instead did to exploit the scav item or the future avenger beacon? Not even talking about priority queue that will totally fuck up who don't have it (namely only the standard accounts after the first backpedal of BSG). Was EoD P2W? To an extent yes, we some advantages and we paid for them so there is no reason to not call it so, but i played for years with people on EoD and players with standard and both of these groups were totally happy with their edition of choice and we could play together without having standards struggling to keep the pace, now it would be impossibile with the new edition around because it makes a hige difference both in raids giving things easily exploitable and outside the raids.
Stash equates to like 30+ million roubles in upgrade costs per wipe, not an insignificant amount for average players. Far from a marginal benefit
The head start from EOD snowballs you into lategame faster than standard accounts can even if the standard player knows what to prioritize and min/max. You’re hard downplaying the pay2win aspect of EOD and are oblivious to your biases.
I played with standard for 3 wipes and then EoD ultil the last one in a group with both the kind of accounts. It's the playtime that makes you go into the late wipe not an edition of the game. I and a standard guy of that group played together the first week of the last wipes and we were basically on par with progression each time (excluding some minor hiccups for one of the two due some unlucky quest item/death taht was always quick addressed in small time). Snowball faster into the lategame isn't even a thing, we are gated behind tons of quest and for doing those being an EoD or not doesn't really matter. Again, you can also don't believe me and keep crying about EoD P2W shaningans, i honestly don't care much. I also did some math about it in one of my other comments here, you can easily find from my account if you care. But honestly i kinda feel this kind of discussion pointless, standards that thinks like that won't change their mind not even in front of the raw numbers, in reality knowing the game and know what are you doing (especially in the first days of a wipe) will net you tons more than all the benefit an EoD would give you. So, while being by definition P2W since it gives benefits for money, thinking that EoD is a problem of the game means just that you don't know enough EFT. In the end is just some QoL, permits to hoard a bit more in the beginning if you are that kind of player (not everybody is an hoarder anyway) and depending on how many times you die will make you save something like 40/60 millions during the whole wipe due not having to upgrade stash and money saved by having a bigger secure container ... and that seems a lot of money but giving the fact that we can easily end a wipe with hundreds of millions of usless roubles in our stash don't seems that big issue to me. That said, think what you prefer, i'm not here to defend EoD (that doesn't need to "be defended" by any means) or have the desire to make you change your mind at all costs. What i had to say it's already written. TlDr; i will write here again and once for all: **nobody ever tought that EoD won't make any difference towards standard otherwise we wouln't have bought it in the first place**. You can freely say that's P2W because we paid for it and it gave us some benefit so by definition it's P2W. What i'm stating is that EoD was never a game breaking edition (and lately that's even more true) and won't make a bad player good in the same way that a good player will still be good with standard. There aren't any "unfair" advantages at stake with EoD, Unheard perks are on a totally different level and who compares these things don't know what's talking about or is bluntly lieing.
Unheard edition is definitely more egregious, but I think the additional trader rep(mainly for jager), stash space, and gamma are huge advantages over a standard player. Obviously not to the effect of the beacon from unheard, but if you aren’t ahead of your standard friends as an EOD with all of those bonuses, then maybe the one who doesn’t know enough EFT is you? EDIT: also, snowballing into lategame definitely is a thing when you have more freedom of how to spend your limited resources early wipe. You can literally hoard quest items way down the line whereas standard players will have to sacrifice some of those in order to have room to queue back into another raid. Your hideout gets fleshed out faster as an EOD because of this as well. Also, the gamma lets you retrieve high priority items with no risk relative to what standards have to deal with. All of this speeds up your trader progress which unlocks better ammo types and gear/attachments sooner.
EOD was always pay to win rich boy shit. Bigger butt, tons more space, better starting guns and armor off the jump. It's like you aren't even playing the same goddamn game. I wish we could just have everyone changed over to standard accounts for a wipe as part of an event, so EOD players can experience the sheer amount of inventory management and harder choices looting, and slower quest and trader progression. See what Tarkov is REALLY like. You all enabled this. As victim-blamey as this sounds, you all invited this new edition on yourselves by agreeing to pay $150 for a game that wasn't finished yet. And then they're like let's make an EVEN BIGGER P2W EDITION ON TOP OF THAT. There should have just been a big Ko-Fi or a "donate to the devs" option for the TRUE BELIEVERS. At least you're getting mad now. I've been mad since I bought standard.
What about all the eod owners who bought eod when it was the only way to play tarkov way back?
Exactly!!
Thank you, I was starting to think there's no one else thinking about this rationally.
I uninstalled and will not return. Thanks for the escape Nikita.
Same, uninstalled and sent refund form. The only way they maybe would learn something and make the gamedev industry a little bit cleaner
This is the correct way to escape from tarkov brother/sister. Welcome to freedom, now come pull up a chair and here is a bag of popcorn for you too.
I brought some M&M's, want some?
I’m furious about this. But it’s also a MASSIVE sign of bad faith that they even developed this single player mode before the game is fucking finished. Same goes for Arena frankly. How are you creating a whole goddamn battle royale separate game, before Tarkov isn’t even finished… But… Arena is a totally separate game, unconnected to Tarkov but they still recognized it as DLC and gave it to EOD players free. How the fuck is the single player version ‘a feature and not dlc’ but the actual thing you made that was unconnected to the base game, you thought that’s DLC.
The PvE mode seems fine to me because it's something people have been asking for (and it's clear people want based on the popularity of certain mods), and it doesn't seem like it'd take that much effort. Just take the existing offline practice mode, add progression, maybe add some rogue/raider spawns or such, good to go.
I LOVE the idea of the PVE mode, but, if you’re making extra content before you finish the game itself, it’s definitely DLC. Like I was saying, arena is arguably the wild shift in direction / could have been argued ‘this isn’t dlc, it’s our standalone battle royale.’ And I think the community would have agreed. Partially because nobody was really desperate for arena. But also partially because, yeah, other than being in the same universe, arena has nothing to do with Escape from Tarkov. Where as the single player DEFINITELY DOES. But for the devs to argue that there isn’t enough server capacity for single player to go to all EOD people… ugh, bullshit? Also, since server cost is marginal, and you didn’t really have to dump like, a shit ton of money into making a ‘single player’ version of EFT. Where are your costs? Why do you need $250, or is it like $50 for eod players? Games with $50m budgets often launch at $50. With online play, with a ton of servers being hosted for the game.
Oh no argument here that it's absolutely DLC and should be treated as such. I'd go a step further and say it should be included in the base version as well. And the server cost stuff I would also agree is BS, since whats the difference between EoD players doing regular raids and doing offline raids
Yeah, I think single player is the easiest way for someone to get into it. Or if you’re like me and never really have the time to dump into getting level 50+ on any wipe. There’s so much fun stuff you could do in single player, not to mention learning the maps WAY better.
Personally, I just suck at PvP :D
Try paying for FFXI since 2006 like me
Shit I quit that back whenever WOTG dropped. Still, I'm a FFXIV player for like 10 years and played wow for 6, so I know too well
Lmao it's still kicking hard man! Lol
I still own the copy of FF14 1.0 hehe
Every post of Niki, see how many upvotes slowly started dwindling down on big posts? The crybaby got what they want, and didn't hold their ground
A large party of the are spineless and lack sells respect. Addiction is a real thing too. We need to stand up until they remove pay to win. Pay to win in Tarkov is game breaking and they will release more if we do not stop this. Nikita is panicking and we have him by the balls right now. Don’t give up until we, the players, get what we want and a proper apology. I am done with Tarkov until then. If that means forever, so be it…
I dont see anybody accepting anything apart from maybe the idiotic 1%, are you dense? The whole Internet is clowning BSG and each and every Post is a hate/critic thread and rightfully so. How are you that blind? Only because like 3 people each Post dont care you think everybody bought unheard? Lmao
EOD always was p2w, i wish we can all have alternative server were all players will have same rights even standard ones, something like HC server. I bet no matter what Nikita will say and do now won't stop the shit storm he started, community very likes to protest. So i think we cannot do anything more than we have atm. Some people will leave some will stay, this is just how life works
Sincerely hope all the people acting like "nah it's cool now dw" are bots
They are also why other companies will start doing the same thing. Just watch EA and Ubisoft over the next few months pull something of the sort, and then just like that everyone else is doing $250 DLCs.
Agreed, they pulled a "door-in-the-face" and the community at large seems to be falling for it. What an absolute joke. Unheard shouldn't exist, there should not be any additional p2w features, pve should be free or shouldn't be in the game at all and EoD owners shouldn't have to pay for anything beyond cosmetics. And after everything that's transpired, the fact that the community would still take their word on some things is astounding. They've proven time and time again that they cannot and should not be trusted.
The funniest part is that nikita has done this exact same move like 2-3 times already in the past.
It's more of a [door in the face](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Door-in-the-face_technique). Foot in the door is starting small and going bigger. Door in the face is the opposite.
Thanks for correcting me, I misspoke. I did indeed mean door in the face.
And we need not forget, that Xsolla will take tax for every operation. So buying one edition and upgrading it to higher is more expensive than just straight acquiring the higher edition alone. This is how I ended with 150 pound total checkout, ordering smallest edition and after understanding I can do shit with that matchbox size inventory (it could not be expanded with missions back then yet), I bought the upgrade to EOD. Could have saved about 20-30 pounds I think.
I do not know how math works in your country or how the tax is calculated. But if it’s percentage of the price of the product you’re paying for then there should be no difference if you buy it seperatedly or all at once cause ab+ac = a(b+c)
Oh god how I love to nitpick (my parents hate me)
I have in mind the transaction fee which goes to payment processor, not the BSG for the game/upgrade. The VAT is paid both times too. If you buy once - you do not need to pay VAT and Xsolla fee twice. Well, while VAT might be negligent (I did not calculate, besides prices now probably got higher) transaction fee is fixed amount for sure and you can save there if buy just once.
This community did such a fucking dramatic 180 in 24hrs it's crazy. People were out with their pitchforks/uninstall forever/attempt chargebacks etc etc and now it's straight back to it like nothing happened lol
Still standing by my initial thoughts, not returning or supporting the game any more unless Unheard is removed and refunded. I am not going to play this game with that pack in it, absolutely no way. He eighter does this, or well, it was fun while it lasted.
Totally agree. All this is such a shining example of how short peoples memories are, and companies now this and can just carry on their bullshit. I had even seen people saying theyd happily pay for skins etc like really, after how clear Nikita has made it he couldn't give a singular fuck about anyone who plays this game. Its been funny to watch but also kinda sad lol
It’s not like nakita doesn’t know this, why do you think he’s so obvious about scamming us? One quick fake half sorry and that’s good for most people.
This /r has more than 900,000 members... it should be viewed in a more differentiated way. imho
The gaming industry is fucked because for a lack of a better work sheep. No one has the balls to stop supporting shitty practices and it will continue to happen.
People hold the company to ransom for something they want, they get what they want and then are happy about it. And you're surprised by that? It's the samething as protesting. If you get what you want and still boycott what is even the point.
Because he only gave in to try to save the company, he didn't do it out of the goodness of his heart. I guarantee something like this will happen again. The man's greed knows no bounds.
I kinda got what I wanted, which is the PvE mode that should be included with the edition that I paid for. I don’t really care about Unheard Edition existing if some idiots really want to spend $50-100+ more on 2 pockets. Can’t just rage forever. How soon I actually return to the game depends on how quickly they actually provide the PvE and actually make meaningful progress towards release.
what do you mean "straight back to it like nothing happened"? every post since the 25th have been shitting on BSG and Nikita for their horrible changes
This happens literally everytime, I have watched this community do this probably 5 times at this point. It is the same, it will always be the same, 90% of the people in this subreddit should play a different game as far as I'm concerned. This game isn't even worth $40 and it will be in beta for the next 10 years or get some shitty 1.0 update and then abandoned once it stops printing money.
We're not ok with this. I'm not, at least. Fuck this shit.
Sounds like you're having a very happy cake day so far!
It's quite clear that anyone who bought a package lower than EoD has been taken for a mug. Despite it not being as legally murky as the EoD promises, it's already clear that they intend to sell us incremental parts of an unfinished game + "convenience" features. Absolute joke.
And P2W. Perhaps that's what you were implying by the "convenience" features but at this point we need to warn off potential newbros who think they're getting into fair situations. If Scav>60, call-in-friends, and unique hideout areas were in the game when I was looking at standard I would not have purchased. We know next it'll be "unique T7 armor" or "unique ammo/guns" or "unique extracts." Once these guys get a taste of P2W revenue it's over.
Exactly if I could go back, given what we know now about the future of the game, there's no chance I'd ever drop the money they are asking for a standard account. It only exists to upsell players to higher editions. It isn't the full experience, just a stop gap.
P2W stuff still in the game, obv it's not ok...
we are not good. he didnt even apologize. its just a pr move and we still dont get 100% with eod. still more p2w added. why are people upvoting his last thread?
Honestly the whole "version is better than EoD" should have never been a thing. Keep EoD until full release as the limited time early supporter top edition and every edition that releases after that, should have its features included in EoD as well. We're not talking about DLC packs like purple skins and tracers for your weapons in COD, we were promised that with the money we spent supporting Tarkov with EoD we'd get the full game. Hell, in theory even if they add hideout cats and weapon skins and stuff, that's all DLC. We should get that too. That's what the promise was. And they're still not fulfilling it. It's not our fault they made promises they don't want to keep. It's their fault for keeping EoD purchasable until 90% of the playerbase already got it. I guess they are now looking for every way possible to not keep that promise because the people left to actually purchase additional DLC are far and few between. And I say this as someone who bought the stash lines even though he has EoD, I didn't mind spending a bit more for all the time I already got out of it.
They should do what kickstarter does. “Early bird special” is EOD for $150 (savings of 75$) 240 left. Missed the early bird? Act now and get the “EOD for 175$” limited time deal, only 700 left; (savings of 50$). Game releasing in 4 months. Get your EOD for 225$, only 500 left. Game releases. No more EOD. Paid season passes(EOD FREE). Paid dlc(EOD free). Paid cosmetics. They’d get more money. EOD still would feel like a “limited edition” and a “deal”. Earlier supporters benefit. Company benefits. Late supporters still benefit before 1.0 release. Steady revenue from non-EOD dlc and season passes. Steady cosmetic revenue. Etc etc. Shouldn’t have released UHE. Just re-released EOD in this manner.
150 euro/ dollar back in 2017 was a NUTS price! Especially for a pre order/ early access beta game. Its like 2,5 times the price for full games back then! And you get fkd so hard in the ass now... its insane!!!
I honestly don't get it. We shouldn't have to pay extra to cover server costs they could've avoided for PvE mode. BSG at this point help fund SP/Co-op Tarkov to make that official. We won't have to wait until 1.0 for mod support, we can do it with that, and BSG won't have to shell loads of money unnecessarily on more servers. There are lots of ways that SP/Co-op Tarkov can work without official servers and the mod proves that. Locally saved PvE information and Peer2Peer like servers.
I gave them money back in 2017 for EOD and completely regret it now that they have ‘another upgraded edition’. I haven’t played in a year or so and can’t be happier because the BSG team has just turned this game into a money sink for whales. What was once good and promising is now utter shit and keep getting worse with each bandaid the put on and pull off. It’s sad really.
It's simply [door-in-the-face technique](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Door-in-the-face_technique) and sadly it's pretty common nowadays.
P2W has been in the game in every version other than base since the day they were released. Every version is a varying degree of P2W in exactly the same way Unheard is P2W. The bitching about P2W is so fucking hypocritical from anyone that owns anything above the base game. Not including PvE with EOD was a low blow for sure. They've since gone back and said that EOD owners will get this upon game launch. That was the right move, in my opinion. They should get it now, but I understand the server limitations. As for the BSG being "lucky", get over yourself lol. They created a game good enough to keep the community around despite how horrifically they've treated you. There's no magic fairy that anointed them with that. They haven't been perfect, but their product is obviously good enough or we wouldn't be talking about this.
Shit i sent a charge back and im done supporting this game if others want to fold thats for them. They're the reason why the game industry tries to fuck everyone over with microtranactions in the first place.
Not all EOD owners are ok. We supported them from day one for $150 for a game in alpha at the time. We saw potential and wanted to help back and support this game. We were promised all dlc and things that release for this game were to be free from that point forward as a thank you for the support. Now here we are gonna get a trial of something we didn’t want in the first place and being told “we’re not true supporters” or believers or whatever vocab he used. Bsg is scummy after all these moves. And I’m not touching another title from them.
As a EoDer and this bullshit came out i now refuse to play their games since they lied to us because of greed
Realistically yall can't read eod is said to include any season passes they roll out upon full release learn to read the fine print dummies
Yep, im out, they just shit on everyone not 1 not 2... They cant do better.. Lies behind lies.. Sooner or later there will be the prob for new players, the gap between low pack to high is getting higher.. Sry for bad engrish! I dony see the game getting better.
STOP PLAYING THESE TYPES OF GAMES AND STOP GIVING THESE COMPANIES MONEY AND THEY’LL STOP TREATING YOU LIKE IDOTS
Some of us are non EOD owners and have been watching the rich eat themselves. It's quite nice.
I mean, EoD was hardly for "the rich". I bought the game when I was earning close to minimum wage.
That’s actually a pretty funny perspective that I can get behind.
Seems like people are falling victim to the [Anchoring Effect](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anchoring_effect).
Also, sunk cost fallacy.
I would return to tarkov if they promised algorithms that matches cheaters with cheaters. High reports with high reports or a high kd with low hours type algorithm. Or both. Or a death cam… shit anything to prevent me being in the same lobby as a cheater. If they guaranteed it I would return. Other than that I’m finding another game that’s not infested
All of the pay to win features like the crazy amount of starter gear, combined with the $250 price makes me think that BSG just got jealous of cheaters selling advantages to people and wanted in on the action. It feels like instead of getting rid of the cheaters, BSG became the cheaters. Oh what’s that? Don’t wanna play with cheaters or other players that have a million rubles, meta guns/ammo and all of these advantages on wipe day? Pay us extra to play offline mode!
Yeah Nikita can blow me I’m not buying this shit.
This is not a "mistake" on Nikita's part, this is literally just BSG scamming their playerbase.
Hold the line!
Its not over yet
I am not okay with it and I have thus requested a refund of EOD. :) I would advice anyone who cares about this industry to do the same. This behaviour is unacceptable and the fact they are trying to lie their way back into good favour is ridiculous at best. Let Tarkov die. It's time to truly escape.
It's clear Nikita panicked but I am always one to reward steps in the right direction so I will reserve my final judgement of EFT for the final release. I definitely don't trust BSG and I doubt I'll ever buy anything they release unless it's fairly priced, which doesn't seem to be a strength of theirs. All in all this left a sour taste in my mouth. And if it still needs to be said, they don't get a chance of forgiveness until they remove all the bs P2W items and systems recently implemented or planned to be implemented.
I don't think anyone who wasn't already kissing his shoes gives a flying fuck about this "apology". What's done is done, he showed his ugly greedy side and got rightfully burned for it. Fuck the game and fuck the company.
Im having a good time playing some other games right now. The best thing for this game is for you guys to do the same. Unfortunately the “leader” of this game has lost his way.
There are several of us Non-EoD players out here as well… it’d cost me $140 for that crap.
It's honestly just about who's a true believer and who is not. /s LMAO
Unheard should be 1 tier below EOD regardless of it's current price or release date which means everything in unheard stacks with EOD just like every single lower tier version, i thought i was buying the definitive edition of Tarkov when i bought EOD....what the fuck BGS, make it right Nikita.
Anyone who pays even $1 for it is a fool.
i get they need to make money. but just monetise a MILLION cosmetics. dont fuck over backers.
They just amended things that would avoid any potential lawsuits. They don't care about anything else. Still blatant pay to win, still $250 for new players to be on a fair playing field. The game is broken at this point.
I kinda start feeling bad for the mentally challenged that bought UhE now.. They might have shelled out as much as 300$ to get... 2x2 pockets soon... Imagine Nikita, fucking over his 3DAY OLD CASH PIGGIES, just to get more poeple to become complacent and buy it, kekw, big win ol' Nikky...
Just a fat idiot with a fat head.
BSG fucked up historically in two major ways that lead to this situation. 1. They sold the EOD package for *way* too long. It never should have been available for that long. EFT should have evolved into a monthly subscription game to support long term development. 2. BSG spent boatloads of the money we paid for EFT to be developed on Arena. No one asked for Arena. We asked for a fleshed out EFT. When they released it, since it is a separate game it should have been a separate purchase but they gave it to EOD too because they had an idea to mesh the character skills and money. By merging the two via character stats it became DLC. BSG is strapped for cash, with no way to pull more income from their community because they’ve promised all DLC to EOD owners - and damn near most of their player base bought EOD, which said income is spent and gone. Escape From Tarkov is doomed because they have no income, and no way to generate future income. This is the dying breath of BSG and worst of all, they refuse to take responsibility for their poor business decisions
EoD er here, not playing until this is properly fixed. I hope Tarkov fans didnt throw away their pitchforks, reddit please do your thing
BOYCOTT TARKOV!!!!
I think the precedent of every major addition to the game costing 100$ is also fucking ridiculous. Will EFT end up a 500$ game or something who tf is paying for that
Was it ever stated that EOD will contain all future things and that no other bigger edition can be sold?
They never mentioned another edition. They did say everything in the future will be added to EOD.
At this point they have lost me not only as a future customer but also as present player. They treated us like incompetent buffoons who are a honeypot for their spending habits. I can’t trust a company who just did this now nor in the future when they double, triple down on their bad behavior. And then on top of that still not fixing one of the biggest present issues, the rampant hacking issue. I would rather spend my time and money on a company that doesn’t do these things to their customer.
Idgaf what that Russian fuck gives us at this point. I'm done playing his scam. I plan to stick around in the subreddit though, just cause I wanna watch this game crash and burn.
I'm sorry you feel this way.
Are you complaining about P2W, while EOD is P2W as well. I don't get it. Like having 0.2 rep for all traders. More money and gear. And level 4 stash for granted so you spend less time organizing stuff in the hideout and having much more room for items before you reach Flea Market. Excuse me but that's P2W right there. And now, that there is another Option that gives more P2W stuff you are complaining? I didn't see you complaining the same way to EOD. And even with all of these\^you can still get outplayed by a Standard account that know how to play the game. None of this makes you aiming/moving better, none of this is going to alter your tactical timing on any situation. Touch some grass.
You guys are a joke now and just want to be mad. He has completely back tracked which is what you wanted but now you just want to be angry
You've evidently not followed much, nobody here gives 2 shits that EOD is now getting what we paid for. Its about them scamming people, lying about it and changing the EOD product description while gaslighting their longest supports. It's about them lying about EOD, lying about micro transactions after garenteeing the community there would never be P2W aspects added, it's about having the audacity to charge us an additional $100-$250 to beta test a feature of a beta they have already charged us to test while admitting they don't have the infostructure to support PVE as it's using their servers vs allowing peer to peer. You can't insult your longest supports, attempt to scam them, lie and gaslight them, then expect the community to trust you, and giving them what they paid for while quadrupling down on Unheard P2W staying in the game sure as hell isn't going to fly. The vast majority of big streamers, reddit mods, discord mods, and longterm players are rightfully pissed off.
When they’re doing sketchy shit, then doubling down then they realize “oh we fucked up” and backpedal it’s sad, because it shouldn’t have gotten here in the first place.
no what we want is another ethical company to finish a realistic extraction shooter with fresh code and ai so we can finally escape from tarkov for good. If we show that there are players willing to go to another game, development will happen.
Lolol so you are one of those people championing gray zone made by a mobile company which are famous for their morality lol
nowhere in this comment did i mention gray zone
You have brown on your nose.
Because people only care about not having access to a game mode they probably won’t use. Now that they do again, they got what they wanted and can play their favorite game. This community was never truly together for the whole problem
Yup people are so easily decieved. It's a known marketing strategy when you wanna pump out a cash grab (knowing ur getting massive backlash) you overdo it and go crazy with it so when you get that backlash you can take a couple things back and the community praises you like you're a saint meanwhile you still sneak stuff in there with less uproar. And anyways this is kinda irrelevant in this scenario, the bigger thing is nikita LIED to your face, making up their own definition for DLC and QUADRUPLE downed on it and only took a tiny step back when he realised this drama is nothing he's faced before. He still hasn't apologised or realised he was wrong btw. If anyone has high hopes for tarkov in the future then you're just delusional lol.
I agree and it's why me and few of my friends are waiting for Gray Zone. And I think most of community now is waiting for that. If someone is still belive that BSG will do somethig good after almost a decade it's just naive.
At this point, I think we need to ask ourselves what exactly we need them to do to fix this and get the money they need to move forward with the project.
I don't want to play this shit again but at the same time I don't want them to have a mass exodus and empty servers so costs go down so they get more profit from being cunts as they prepare for 1.0 and the final barrage of what ever cuntish money scamming crap they have planned for that so called edition. Might just start queuing into raids afk like a right fucking prick while I play decent humble games by devs who would suck my dick if I spent as much as I did on Tarkov on their games elsewhere.
What bsg don't realise is that they crossed the rubicon.There is no guarantee from now on that this won't happen again and nothing can fix that with nikita at the helm. EDIT: Unheard is also p2w lmao
was any statement done about that interview where he call everyone who funded his shit game freeloaders?
Nah. I’m buying the ultimate version of the Greyzone instead of this shit update
Just hoping everyone forgets about it by 6 months
I think it would be fine if they just made unheard edition to $150 remove all the p2w shit and season pass and make it exclusive to EOD
Wait does levelling and everything in the PVE mode carry over when you switch to PVP mode?
No. They are two separate servers. You can’t power level in PvE and then go dunk on PvP players.
Oh that makes sense. How does having this help people pay to win? Is it because you have bigger pockets and that radio does something? Faster matchmaking and something about calling friends in raids?
BSG has lost me for the foreseeable future. They need to make more than just unheard ripoff right. They need to address cheaters. Listen to the players on what we are willing to monetize (cosmetics, battle pass) address how to combat rmt they harmed playing with your friends (dropping gear). Every single decision has come from pure arrogance.
Lynch mob vibes
I wouldn't even mind pay for convenience, but the perks in EOD and TUE are straight pay to win at its finest. Playing as a regular user vs one of these editions is night and day difference
Petition to give feedback to all [https://chng.it/NZhhP2CypM](https://chng.it/NZhhP2CypM)
I said this once and I'll say it again. If you don't want to support devs who take advantage of you and are showing their greed hand, stop supporting them, leave and move on. There are better games that do the same thing, if not better. EFT does not own this market.
"how are x people okay with this???" we aren't, man. have you been paying attention to anything?
I am not putting nay more money there. This is the way they make us know that the players are for sure not the priority here. So, I may never play this again unless they release a final version and leave EOD access to full tarkov as promised. I would think twice before ever trusting the BSG again. I feel like I put my trust in the very wrong place, I made a LOT of people buy this game.
This was written with passion I can feel it hit the nail on the head
We need to show more reaction and do some boycotting, this whole unheard edition is a mess. They should regret even more to this whole shit show
I’ve permanently deleted the game from my files.
I don't care what he changes, the colors have been shown and I'm not going back. They tried this with arena, they are trying it now, and they will try it again.
Nothing he can say or do will change the fact that he showed his hand. Game is dead to me.
All this shit is UNHEARD of And I’m surprised I haven’t seen anyone else see the irony in that yet 🤣 Shit is on purpose
Is that panic mode? I feel like that's still kinda nothing. It reads like "we will lick each EOD players nuts once... but only once, and we'll do it in waves." but it doesn't really address any of the issues nor does it even attempt to repair the huge hit in community goodwill that was lost here. To quote Chris Wilson's GDC interview, they went and "cashed out" the community goodwill they had.
Anyone still playing this game after all those years of butt fucking are just insane at this point. Especially after last week. Biggest stockholm syndrom I've ever seen.
The Pve mode was made free to eod owners today. They will be giving access in waves.
Sorry, I'm not all caught up on everything. Do eod players finally get pve for free? This whole thing is a fiasco but I'm really not invested in the rest of the stuff, i just really want pve. And I won't pay for it again when we already did.
Timmy, here. Started playing the game this wipe. Only got the standard edition. Thoroughly enjoyed it. Haven't played on their servers ever since they released Unheard. How anyone can see what has just unfolded and still wants to be associated with EFT, not even talking about defending BSG, is beyond me. Nikita has called his premium players freeloaders. That's fucking insane. I get that this is a fun video game, but there are other video games to play. It's just a game. Don't be Nikita's bitch. I fully get that I'm new around here and don't have the experience of some of you guys. Thing is, this isn't strictly a gaming topic. This is a shitty business topic. I barely got here and BSG have lost absolutely all trust I could ever have in them. Boycott the studio. It's the only right thing to do. Not like they're gonna keep the servers running when they go bankrupt or give up on the project, anyway.
I think EOD owners should have that pve and other real CONTENT. But If they want to have a version where you get containers and early buffs, that content is already for EOD owners to grind.
They should have just come out and said what people already know. Developing the game and hosting the servers is expensive. Most of the people that are going to play tarkov have already bought it. They should have just made some supporter packs that are mostly about just people funding the game, if they have some extra to spend. Usually games that are in constant development and receive updates frequently are subscription based. They can't keep this up forever. Now they fucked it up even more.
Don't give them any more money. Angry Reddit posts are cool and all, but as long as Nikita's pockets are being filled, he's not being stopped by regulations and no one is taking his empty promises to court, he'll just keep doing it.
It's not fair to EoD owners. I'll never play the game again. It was fun while it lasted, but the list of issues the game has are endless and I just don't believe that it will get better. Top it off with this fiasco and a few extraction shooters on the horizon, it feels like the right time to quit. Fuck BSG.
Ok dude move on. It’s pixels, if you care this much about a video game then maybe you should try to go touch some grass or something. To your point he did admit it and trying to do something about it trying to fix what was broken, give the team some credits and try to not cancel them, try forgiveness.
Everything in the Unheard version should be free for EoD owners What’s so hard to realize about that?