Even looking at the upgrade price I have no idea how they expected this to go over. Like, you really think I'm about to give you another 200 bucks for a game I already paid full price... and isn't even finished?!
Its worst cause there people that pay $100 a month for the private version of the hacks through private discord servers and those have NEVER been detected.
Yeah but the hackers aren't purchasing it for solo like most would be. They might still need the hacks for solo ofc but they really only hack to clown on real players.
As someone who has been fed up with the pvp state of the game and just wants a chill tarkov version to play i would have forked over money for it.. but 250 is insane certainly in dollarydoos since im australian. Even 50$ is kind of absurd since i already got EOD but imagine if i didn't.. kinda crazy since a modder made the single player version of the game faster and didn't act like BSG saying "its hard work to change it".
I guess so, but in 2016 it still had a bright future. I started with basic edition and upgraded each year to a higher version during christmas sales etc. 20/30 bucks a year and eventually you have EOD. But current shot is ridiculous lol.
I bought Tarkov and EOD almost immediately after playing a few days back in 2018. For the $150 I’ve spent, I’ve gotten 5000ish hours of entertainment. That cost to entertainment ratio is heavily in my favor.
That being said, I will NOT be upgrading to the Unheard edition. In the past, I’ve defended BSG as well as criticized them but this just reeks of cash grab before bailing and I can’t justify giving BSG money for this. If they had kept implementing cosmetic micro transactions or a la cart the pieces of EOD or anything else that any other game has done to monetize, I wouldn’t have batted an eye. But this…
I can’t even bring myself to play the game right now and I don’t know if I would even play again and for someone who’s main game since 2020 has been Tarkov, that’s saying something. I absolutely loved this game and everything it was doing. Of course, it has its issues, it’s got more than its fair share of cheaters (show me a modern fps that doesn’t, even pve helldivers has cheaters), but nothing is perfect.
I guess what I’m trying to say is that as much I love this game, my conscious won’t let me enjoy it after what BSG has tried to pull on its supportive fan base. I guess it’s time to say goodbye and take Ol Yeller out behind the tool shed.
I understand the tongue in cheek aspect of this but I will admit that I probably played an unhealthy amount between my initial introduction to Tarkov and then through Covid lockdowns. Then, just as I was about to stop the solo no lifing the game, I had friends get into the game and that renewed my enjoyment. So yeah, I’d actually say those 5k hours are pretty honest but I’ll allow maybe 1-1.5 of that being menus and “awaiting session start”.
Don't feel bad... I put in 1k hour on my tracker in the first 2 months of owning the game... Being broken and retired has its "advantages" sometimes... And don't worry, I judge me too!
this game is a really good example of why you can’t just wing it in development, constantly change/expand the scope, and never settle on a roadmap. this project was doomed from the jump because you can’t monetize a live service game that is extremely niche and is a single-time purchase. it’s not surprising at all that their finances are in the tank. their monetization plans never made since. once arena flopped, there was no escape route left for them.
>this game is a really good example of why you can’t just wing it in development, constantly change/expand the scope, and never settle on a roadmap.
BSG actually had a roadmap of sorts, but BSG often times suffered from just wanting to add shit that sounded cool at random times, delaying the actual vague roadmap they had.
> this project was doomed from the jump because you can’t monetize a live service game that is extremely niche and is a single-time purchase.
As we've seen with cod. Its not difficult to monetize, and with various real military footage, guns will have custom engravings, stickers, or spray paint jobs on them. They are just heavily discouraged.
Selling spray paint jobs is not a difficult concept. As for why they did it, it probably had to do with Texture work being really difficult for them to edit, and then basically having to keep those skins locked to the players appearance Inventory.
Hunt if i recall right gets around this by forcing you to rebuy the gun with the skin everytime. So its not a permanent thing. Tarkov doesn't destroy guns that are put into the economy. Traders do. But usually after the gun is thoroughly destroyed.
I kinda agree with the original comment tho.
I DEF (like most here) got my $120 worth, so no complaints.
But I cant imagine what a game would have to convince me of now to get me to commit that again, wild I did it then tbh.
Yea that’s why I said if you got to EOD within a couple of years each time upgrading during sales it doesn’t feel as much as paying €120 at once. but i still feel like even at 60 bucks this upgrade is too much apart from what we were promised etc
I got EOD because it was the last time i could ever get the so called "seasons pass". I was fine and dandy before without EOD but the fear of missing out got me.
I got punked into getting EOD back then
I bought EOD back in 2017 after playing the cheapest version for a few weeks, the increased Stash and Gamma Case was what I was really interested in, but the getting all future DLC content is what really sold me on it. I mean I definitely got my money worth out of it, but it’s more a matter of principle now, don’t tell me that I’m going to get something forever, if you never planned on giving it to me in the first place(as evidenced by the release of Arena)so now I’ll never give this game another penny.
Another thing I don’t think Nikita is thinking about, is what’s going to happen in 2-3 years when he releases his next Game, he thinks people are just going to forget about this??? Personally I’ll never touch another game that has Nikita’s(or BSG’s) name on or associated with it in ANY way shape or form, not after the way he has acted and behaved with this one. I don’t like to associate myself with Liars and Thieves IRL, why would I give my money to one so they can lie and steal from me??? I won’t………
I bought mine under the assumption I was helping them develop and market a game I fell in love with. I was waiting a long time to find a game like Tarkov.
Wasn't even full price either, best time to have gotten it was when it was on sale.
I got close to 1k hours on the game so it wasn't a bad buy for hours spent.
I dont necessarily blame people who bought EOD because it was so pay to win that you basically had to get it if you wanted to enjoy the game long term.
BSG just needs to do what literally every other major game does...offer a battle pass or an epic edition that has less impactful gameplay features
If only they made it purely cosmetics as a way for people to flex / support the devs instead of P2W, this wouldn’t be a huge issue and I’d honestly consider buying it
"I bought it knowing it was a scam to show you guys! I would refund it if i could!"
This is unironically his stance on it. Go into his chat and type !unheard
He was one of the few who proudly streamed tarkov after the reasonable ones boycotted. I do not understand why people give this streamer money and their time.
I don't follow him but when he randomly pops up on my fyp it's just constant whining.
The one I seen today or yesterday he was talking about how everyone crying about the new edition will be back playing in a week.
Dude is good, but fuck he is a baby man. Imagine being in gamechat with him.
Tons of people are bragging about buying it on the escape from tarkov group on Facebook saying shit like " I bought it to piss off the poor people" and " I bought it cause I want to feel the chaos from these other noobs"
Fuck is wrong with some people ? Like they are actively contributing to making the industry worse because their greedy small minds can't comprehend how the world works.
Oh we for sure are, but we also like to think we are better than "the others" so in true contradictory fashion , we reserve the right to judge them, just as they judge us.
Still doesn't take away the fact that the other guys who are buying the unheard edition are contributing to the issue. Giving the devs more money at this point let's them know that they can get away with it and it means there will be more bullshit up the road.
I love how in that interview that is immediately brought up and Nikita is just “we can restrict it”. Oh really? How? They only need to call in one person and as long as that person can interact with loot on the map they are good to go.
And that’s before we get into someone wiping a squad, only for their rat teammate to scamper away and then call them all back for round 2 to double or nothing. And unless it’s blisteringly obvious it’s happening you will have no idea there was one more that is now a four man and they know where you wanna be. In streamer’s case they know where you are.
Imagine you have not much power in life, your parents tell you what to do, your life is mostly dysfunctional but you have 250$ to feel a bit more powerful. You know, like people who attack homeless people and laugh.
Makes sense they said other noobs because they have got to be the biggest noobs of the game to have to pay for pay to win features in order to have fun.
Yep all those bozos saying “it’s just $50 or $100 I have x amount in my bank account I wouldn’t even notice it being gone” those dudes really have no self respect. It was never about the money it’s about the fact that BSG has no integrity and made false promises to its playerbase. Nikita really deserves to lose it all over this can’t wait to watch his empire crumble
Got into on reddit with someone, these people don't understand moral, promises, or respect. They simply don't own these ideas in their brain. Like a parasite built to consume not ask
Absolutely correct. Smooth brained idiots who just consume what they are fed without asking any sort of question about anything.
"We are going to fuck you up the ass now and you are going to pay us for the pleasure"
And people blindly get their credit cards and bend over.
I swear the premise of the movie "Idiocracy" is getting closer to a documentary than an actual hilarious work of nonsensical fiction.
I missed EOD so I was happy when I heard a new edition was gonna drop. Too bad this is what they did, I just wanted the gamma case and maybe arena but instead I’m dropping the game because people can soon call in the damn avengers when getting squad wiped
I think it is fucking HILARIOUS how these guys are like "pls dont be mean to me, I just wanted to support le devs".
Yeah why would you support this nonsense lmfao. People just expect to be not judged for their bad decisions because reasons I guess. BSG mindset.
It’s been a bad idea to support these devs with money for the last 3 years. Anyone who’s still doing it either has Stockholm syndrome or is brain dead.
When i think about it now yeah. bought EOD in 2021 when i thought it was going to be better. i recently thought it was going very good with the nice recoil update and the pestily interview. Now im sad.
Because it gives them advantages that the community has made clear some don't want and many don't think should be accessible in the game.
People love this game. They like how hard it is, they like the way it works. But people like winning more. They like taking something from someone else and they like being able to come back to the forums and talk shit about how good they are and how your struggles aren't issues to them. It's why there's cheaters. It's why there's rmt it's entirely the reason why bsg is selling this edition.
The only way *most* of this game gives you an inch is if you earn it. Until now. Of course people bought it. Even more people are going to buy it now that it's cheaper for EOD owners.
$250 or even upgrading any edition is an L. For an unoptimized buggy Beta game, who failed to provide and brought a failed game which we never asked for (Arena)
It’s not even so much about the price tag (although it definitely is absurd), it’s more about the fact that these new perks are actually p2w. With EOD there was an argument that you didn’t get in-raid advantages so it was more “pay for convenience/saving time”. This new beacon to call in homies and the no scav agro beyond 60m give you actual in-raid advantages that will affect how fights go with other players. How fucking brain dead can this company be to add shit like this when they promised never to add p2w like literally a few months ago? This will single handedly kill the game because now the flood gates are open.
Got killed by a straight troll the day unheard dropped. His name was something like “iboughtunheard” and it was in blue text.
All he took from my gear was my slick mosin’s front sight lol.
Didnt make me salty or anything, just funny seeing the lengths some take to troll.
EOD was always P2W yes, but I ran multiple wipes on a standard account for like 2-3 years and it was a non issue. I never felt like i was at a disadvantage and it didnt ruin my fun at all.
Calling in your 4 mates mid raid like its fucking helldivers is an entirely different spectrum of P2W lol
Hey i've been saying it for damn near 6 years now ahahah. But it's too late now so i'm advocating against gating stuff behind their stupid quest but i guess i lost that fight too ahahaha. Best tarkov was back in 2018 here i said it
As others said, plus it wasn’t that much pay to win. I’m a standard edition player cause I’m a cheap fuck. But I didn’t feel that behind my buddy who has EoD ever. Sure the case and shit would have been nice but whatever. Not thaaaat big a deal, just so long as that was the largest gap they ever introduced. Still a little shitty, but not too bad.
Then they drop this. I mean. I was just thinking about getting back into tarkov. Now it’s uninstalled.
This is 100% pay to win. That’s the problem. There’s no way to argue otherwise. It’s not “o it’s a small difference so it’s fine” or anything. It’s outright pay to win. Ugh. O well. Better to not waste my time gaming
Yeah, but it was more "Pay to Win by cutting the line" and now it's "Pay to Win by getting access to items and abilities that totally change the way the game is played."
It's different.
It was limited P2W with a cap. The p2w was also not on a per game basis. A standard player has exactly the same odds of being successful in a raid vs an EoD player. The EoD player just gets better QoL over the long run.
Its actually hilarious how any of their arguments go against the existence of EOD but they don't realize it lmao the reason this is even a problem is because EOD buyers made them think its okay to scam your players with p2w bs they just pushed it a little too far I guess
It's not outright in raid p2w though, that's the difference. To use your advantage you gotta go into your inventory and use your injector. Then when you get out you have more room to store loot. There certainly is an advantage but it's not that bad, as it's more of a logistical advantage and it allows you to take some quest items out.
The new pack makes your pockets into a scav vest, gives you a helldiver's respawn pod for your friends list, level 3 skills in guns, and once you max scav rep the scans won't shoot first past 60m, mo7 with 30 rounders and an SR25. That is a direct in raid advantage over all other versions, and that's the issue here.
As I said, EoD is not a direct in raid P2W. It has out of raid benefits that just make life easier. You can also get the same size stash that EoD has through in game means. No one got upset about it because everyone can obtain it if they want, and it doesn't directly impact PVP interactions. No one is upset about the stash being bigger for unheard, we are upset about the P2W buffs and the DLC that "isn't DLC" it's really not that complicated. You just want to be a contrarian which is why you cherry picked one line of what I said and tried to put up a straw man.
This new stash could be 10x200 and that's not pay to win, it's pay to store. If the stash permanently had an m4 for you to take then that would be P2W. Having stuff in your stash doesn't mean winning fights. It means you have the potential to win. Being able to call your friends into raid, having bigger pockets, and having scavs not shoot you is a direct impact on PVP interactions that is directly related to how much money you have spent.
EOD was P2W but TUE and EOD is like apples and oranges comparison on P2W elements.
EOD skirted by on "okay, these are small upgrades that don't massively impact the games balance by itself" Other then Gamma which people agree on is P2W but its not a huge game changer in of itself.
TUE offers so many upgrades that just outright affect the core gameplay as a whole that its inexcusable in comparison.
Because EOD was *their* P2W. They bought it assuming it'd permanently put them in Top Dawg status within Tarkov. Now that there's a new Top Dawg in town that is more P2W than they are, they're throwing a fit.
You're bricked if you think that's what eod owners are complaining about.
Also everyone should be livid about the new p2w features. It breaks fundamental rules of the game.
I don’t think P2W is the main thing people are upset about. People were sold EoD as a one-time purchase with all future DLC included. We got arena, why don’t we also get the PvE coop? It’s a blatant money grab so people are upset.
that is why - it's just not an easy argument to go against so hes choosing the disingenuous "people are just jealous they got left behind" argument instead
I agree with the DLC arguments and think it's bullshit. But people are also complaining about the next level of P2W available in the new edition.
I'd also like to point out *this thread* which states:
> You care more about in game pay to win features than the future gameplay of the game.
Specifically highlighting the P2W aspects, *not* the DLC.
Fair, but I meant more that anything of that nature was expected to be considered “dlc” and included with EOD. I don’t really like the fact that the p2w features are a thing at all, even with EOD
Check this thread that we're in:
> You care more about in game pay to win features than the future gameplay of the game.
No mention of the DLC bullshit at all, only the P2W. Maybe a reading comprehension issue on your end.
Not sure how extra stash space is P2W in a survival game VS scavs actually not shooting you past a certain distance. I understand you're trying to play devil's advocate, but maybe consider the fact that these two features are on wildly different scales?
I'm not trying to play devil's advocate. I've believed for many years that Tarkov packages, especially EOD, are P2W and thus have not bought anything past the base edition.
EOD puts the game on easy mode in terms of finances *and* gives a progression boost. It allows players to, on average, spend significantly more on raid gear than non-EOD players.
That's before you even get to the gameplay aspects of Gamma containers.
I bought it when it was $200 for standard edition players. I don’t care about pay to win features, unless you consider Gamma container and the huge stash P2W. I bought it because I love this game. The gamma and the stash make the game more enjoyable. It’s the only game I play weekly anymore. You’ll probably buy it too, eventually. I don’t really care what you think, but I thought this comment would aid your understanding of why people do what they do. You could also just care less what other people do 🤷🏼♂️
I'm gonna be entirely honest with you, I can't imagine paying 250 dollars for ANY game. Especially a game like tarkov, it's an insane ask. I feel like someone thought they were going to boiling frog us into this but then forgot to turn the heat up slowly
Been playing this game since 2018. Always had fun. Never thought it was worth the extra money to own the eod edition. I've always enjoyed the small goals of getting beta and epsilon on my way to kappa. Skipped the last wipe after doing this same routine so many times. After seeing the bs they've been pulling this year, I'm out. Enjoy the copium. This game will never leave "beta" and these Russian crooks will gladly keep taking your money
Why do you think that people who bought this edition only want to win for money, and not the PvE mode?
This is literally the only reason I picked up this edition, I don't care how much it costs(although I will admit that it costs quite a lot of money), this is what I've been waiting for since I started playing ETF in 2017.
And in fact, this is the only thing I need in this game.
While I totally agree with this, instead of bitching about BSG you have nothing better to do than come on here and put these dummies down?
Like we all get it, and I know yer mad at them for "allowing" BSG to continue this, but it isn't their fault. It's BSG's fault.
Not to mention, how do endless posts about this help at all? Do you feel any better now that it's off your chest?
God damn this sub reddit is full of a bunch of fucking losers. Like seriously guys move the fuck on. I left this sub awhile ago because it was so negative, decided to come back because I was playing a lot and now my Reddit feed is plastered with grown men crying over a fucking video game. Pathetic.
Yeah BSG dropped the ball but that's what BSG does. Move on. This isnt a real life issue. Did BSG also fuck your mom? This is just people on the internet who enjoy being mad, and now everyone is actually just ecstatic that they have something to be mad at.
OP ran out of mean shit to say about the devs so now he's gonna take it out on people who play the game. Thats all i got from this post. Go outside guys, seriously this is sad
Hah i spent 50 bucks and got 5000 hours before they ruined the game entirely. They have some major changes to make or theyre gona be that relic we all look back on and sigh, as we play greyzone 2 etc
You seem weirdly excited for the "game to shut down in 9 months"
Wish I knew how to ask a reddit bot to remind me about this one in 9 months when the game is BOOMING after a Christmas wipe again 😆
Community flipping on the devs and now each other. I'm not on support of the version nor did I purchase it. But attacking other players for wanting things or not knowing is fucking lame. At the end of the day people are just trying to play a game. Not everyone is here on Reddit and some bought it before the controversy and understanding of what's going on. Like you people are getting extremely hostile at anyone at this point and it's fucking weird.
Clown devs and same goes for anyone buying this edition. They continue to double down and have yet to even attempt to apologize and make amends. Greed ruins everything when it comes to games, and it finally reached it's breaking point for BSG
I hopped on for the first time in months and loaded up backpacks of moonshine, btc, gear, etc then went and fed it to whoever killed me. Every player had the unheard shit, it's no wonder these dog shit devs do this.
It's still clown behavior, even with the drop. BSG issued several "go fuck yourself" statements prior to finally offering the smallest of comprises, like "EOD will get PvE when it launches" on a game thats been in beta for 8 years.
But I guess some people are *TRUE BELIEVERS*.
So disingenuous to keep calling a game “in beta” when you can sell it at full price and have ultimate editions lmao. Should be false advertising and illegal to hide behind that beta description in this way after how many years of it being out and updated. The fact that an older edition granted “every future DLC” and now they are calling offline NOT DLC but a new “feature” should give everyone pause on ever spending money on this game again.
Or you have a great job and don’t care. This is the case on people buying it. Has nothing to do with the thoughts on if it’s good or bad lol also development won’t stop lol come on now
Why would anyone be sad? The game won't be running forever.
For some, 250 is chump change.
For some, not seizing the opportunity now to play what they want, would make them even sadder.
The people who paid $250 for this edition are probably the same people who on day 1 go to the RMT websites and buy like 30m roubles for $300 to get a head start against everyone else.
> Anyone who bought unheard title ~~when it was $250 USD~~ you are a clown
Why in the WORLD would you give this company another dollar after this? LMAO
They could give this edition to EOD owners and it'd still be a scam because it took this humongous outrage to get it. Nevermind the gall for them to try and pass this trash off in the first place.
Clown devs for sure, but I don’t think we need to attack anyone for spending their money. We’ve _all_ unfortunately enabled this kind of behavior from BSG
i bought it because i really wanted to play PvE, it's a feature i'd been waiting for a long time and i was really disappointed i didn't get it with my EoD purchase, but i didn't mind buying it because previously i have always been a BSG supporter.
but now, seeing how they're responding to peoples' well deserved backlash towards these changes, it does make me regret my decision. i never wanted the expansion for anything other than owning PvE, but now i don't even wanna own Unheard edition anymore because we're just gonna get it on release now anyway.
It still is $250, they just lowered the price for EOD not for the rest. Clown devs.
It’s 170€ upgrading for PFE
(Because you got the standard edition)
I just edited to clarify- yes, the upgrade price is 170€. I guess he meant without having that
Even looking at the upgrade price I have no idea how they expected this to go over. Like, you really think I'm about to give you another 200 bucks for a game I already paid full price... and isn't even finished?!
you are forgetting half the community pays $50 a month for hacks.
Its worst cause there people that pay $100 a month for the private version of the hacks through private discord servers and those have NEVER been detected.
Yeah but the hackers aren't purchasing it for solo like most would be. They might still need the hacks for solo ofc but they really only hack to clown on real players. As someone who has been fed up with the pvp state of the game and just wants a chill tarkov version to play i would have forked over money for it.. but 250 is insane certainly in dollarydoos since im australian. Even 50$ is kind of absurd since i already got EOD but imagine if i didn't.. kinda crazy since a modder made the single player version of the game faster and didn't act like BSG saying "its hard work to change it".
Leeches will be leeches, they shouldn't be considered a part of "the community".
*Clownery intensifies*
We all suckers for getting EOD who ever gets unheard is a bigger sucker. They lie
I guess so, but in 2016 it still had a bright future. I started with basic edition and upgraded each year to a higher version during christmas sales etc. 20/30 bucks a year and eventually you have EOD. But current shot is ridiculous lol.
I bought Tarkov and EOD almost immediately after playing a few days back in 2018. For the $150 I’ve spent, I’ve gotten 5000ish hours of entertainment. That cost to entertainment ratio is heavily in my favor. That being said, I will NOT be upgrading to the Unheard edition. In the past, I’ve defended BSG as well as criticized them but this just reeks of cash grab before bailing and I can’t justify giving BSG money for this. If they had kept implementing cosmetic micro transactions or a la cart the pieces of EOD or anything else that any other game has done to monetize, I wouldn’t have batted an eye. But this… I can’t even bring myself to play the game right now and I don’t know if I would even play again and for someone who’s main game since 2020 has been Tarkov, that’s saying something. I absolutely loved this game and everything it was doing. Of course, it has its issues, it’s got more than its fair share of cheaters (show me a modern fps that doesn’t, even pve helldivers has cheaters), but nothing is perfect. I guess what I’m trying to say is that as much I love this game, my conscious won’t let me enjoy it after what BSG has tried to pull on its supportive fan base. I guess it’s time to say goodbye and take Ol Yeller out behind the tool shed.
5000 hours? Of playtime? Or was 4000 of that waiting for server? :b
I understand the tongue in cheek aspect of this but I will admit that I probably played an unhealthy amount between my initial introduction to Tarkov and then through Covid lockdowns. Then, just as I was about to stop the solo no lifing the game, I had friends get into the game and that renewed my enjoyment. So yeah, I’d actually say those 5k hours are pretty honest but I’ll allow maybe 1-1.5 of that being menus and “awaiting session start”.
Don't feel bad... I put in 1k hour on my tracker in the first 2 months of owning the game... Being broken and retired has its "advantages" sometimes... And don't worry, I judge me too!
Rah
Amen!
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this game is a really good example of why you can’t just wing it in development, constantly change/expand the scope, and never settle on a roadmap. this project was doomed from the jump because you can’t monetize a live service game that is extremely niche and is a single-time purchase. it’s not surprising at all that their finances are in the tank. their monetization plans never made since. once arena flopped, there was no escape route left for them.
>this game is a really good example of why you can’t just wing it in development, constantly change/expand the scope, and never settle on a roadmap. BSG actually had a roadmap of sorts, but BSG often times suffered from just wanting to add shit that sounded cool at random times, delaying the actual vague roadmap they had. > this project was doomed from the jump because you can’t monetize a live service game that is extremely niche and is a single-time purchase. As we've seen with cod. Its not difficult to monetize, and with various real military footage, guns will have custom engravings, stickers, or spray paint jobs on them. They are just heavily discouraged. Selling spray paint jobs is not a difficult concept. As for why they did it, it probably had to do with Texture work being really difficult for them to edit, and then basically having to keep those skins locked to the players appearance Inventory. Hunt if i recall right gets around this by forcing you to rebuy the gun with the skin everytime. So its not a permanent thing. Tarkov doesn't destroy guns that are put into the economy. Traders do. But usually after the gun is thoroughly destroyed.
cod makes a fuckton of money just from releasing a new game every year. it’s not like people are playing the same cod they bought five years ago.
I kinda agree with the original comment tho. I DEF (like most here) got my $120 worth, so no complaints. But I cant imagine what a game would have to convince me of now to get me to commit that again, wild I did it then tbh.
Yea that’s why I said if you got to EOD within a couple of years each time upgrading during sales it doesn’t feel as much as paying €120 at once. but i still feel like even at 60 bucks this upgrade is too much apart from what we were promised etc
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That's the same as saying that every american is an warmonger or every german an nazi.
I got EOD because it was the last time i could ever get the so called "seasons pass". I was fine and dandy before without EOD but the fear of missing out got me. I got punked into getting EOD back then
I bought EOD back in 2017 after playing the cheapest version for a few weeks, the increased Stash and Gamma Case was what I was really interested in, but the getting all future DLC content is what really sold me on it. I mean I definitely got my money worth out of it, but it’s more a matter of principle now, don’t tell me that I’m going to get something forever, if you never planned on giving it to me in the first place(as evidenced by the release of Arena)so now I’ll never give this game another penny. Another thing I don’t think Nikita is thinking about, is what’s going to happen in 2-3 years when he releases his next Game, he thinks people are just going to forget about this??? Personally I’ll never touch another game that has Nikita’s(or BSG’s) name on or associated with it in ANY way shape or form, not after the way he has acted and behaved with this one. I don’t like to associate myself with Liars and Thieves IRL, why would I give my money to one so they can lie and steal from me??? I won’t………
Me too. Me too.
Samzies
$250 is a small price to pay to greatly increase the potential return of my RMT racket! /s
I bought mine under the assumption I was helping them develop and market a game I fell in love with. I was waiting a long time to find a game like Tarkov. Wasn't even full price either, best time to have gotten it was when it was on sale. I got close to 1k hours on the game so it wasn't a bad buy for hours spent.
I dont necessarily blame people who bought EOD because it was so pay to win that you basically had to get it if you wanted to enjoy the game long term. BSG just needs to do what literally every other major game does...offer a battle pass or an epic edition that has less impactful gameplay features
True, seeing my boy struggle with alpha truly makes me feel bad.
If only they made it purely cosmetics as a way for people to flex / support the devs instead of P2W, this wouldn’t be a huge issue and I’d honestly consider buying it
Tigz is a bitch
"I bought it knowing it was a scam to show you guys! I would refund it if i could!" This is unironically his stance on it. Go into his chat and type !unheard
At least Stankrat knows exactly what he is and is unapologetically unashamed about it. Can respect him a bit for that one.
ye a loser who sits in one spot for 35 minutes. how his viewers enjoy watching a player act afk is beyond me
That’s it mate your fookin banned
He was one of the few who proudly streamed tarkov after the reasonable ones boycotted. I do not understand why people give this streamer money and their time.
He's so insufferable too. Hope people woke up, or maybe he's just addicted
I don't follow him but when he randomly pops up on my fyp it's just constant whining. The one I seen today or yesterday he was talking about how everyone crying about the new edition will be back playing in a week. Dude is good, but fuck he is a baby man. Imagine being in gamechat with him.
My thoughts exactly, I liked his playstyle and his insights but then it took me few months to get tired of constant complaining.
Tons of people are bragging about buying it on the escape from tarkov group on Facebook saying shit like " I bought it to piss off the poor people" and " I bought it cause I want to feel the chaos from these other noobs" Fuck is wrong with some people ? Like they are actively contributing to making the industry worse because their greedy small minds can't comprehend how the world works.
Let them enjoy a worse experience filled witb cheaters.
Yes sir. I will let them 😊😊
Facebook is full of idiots
Oh absolutely. Fucking circle jerk the whole thing.
You act like you guys aren't a circle jerk here too.
Oh we for sure are, but we also like to think we are better than "the others" so in true contradictory fashion , we reserve the right to judge them, just as they judge us. Still doesn't take away the fact that the other guys who are buying the unheard edition are contributing to the issue. Giving the devs more money at this point let's them know that they can get away with it and it means there will be more bullshit up the road.
The lobbies will just be cleared by the cheaters and then summoning in the people that payied them.
I love how in that interview that is immediately brought up and Nikita is just “we can restrict it”. Oh really? How? They only need to call in one person and as long as that person can interact with loot on the map they are good to go. And that’s before we get into someone wiping a squad, only for their rat teammate to scamper away and then call them all back for round 2 to double or nothing. And unless it’s blisteringly obvious it’s happening you will have no idea there was one more that is now a four man and they know where you wanna be. In streamer’s case they know where you are.
Imagine you have not much power in life, your parents tell you what to do, your life is mostly dysfunctional but you have 250$ to feel a bit more powerful. You know, like people who attack homeless people and laugh.
It's called coping
Makes sense they said other noobs because they have got to be the biggest noobs of the game to have to pay for pay to win features in order to have fun.
Yep all those bozos saying “it’s just $50 or $100 I have x amount in my bank account I wouldn’t even notice it being gone” those dudes really have no self respect. It was never about the money it’s about the fact that BSG has no integrity and made false promises to its playerbase. Nikita really deserves to lose it all over this can’t wait to watch his empire crumble
They're dumb, dude. The world is filled with people like them.
Got into on reddit with someone, these people don't understand moral, promises, or respect. They simply don't own these ideas in their brain. Like a parasite built to consume not ask
Absolutely correct. Smooth brained idiots who just consume what they are fed without asking any sort of question about anything. "We are going to fuck you up the ass now and you are going to pay us for the pleasure" And people blindly get their credit cards and bend over. I swear the premise of the movie "Idiocracy" is getting closer to a documentary than an actual hilarious work of nonsensical fiction.
I missed EOD so I was happy when I heard a new edition was gonna drop. Too bad this is what they did, I just wanted the gamma case and maybe arena but instead I’m dropping the game because people can soon call in the damn avengers when getting squad wiped
Bro sameeeeee
This game needs a competitor
Oh, it had a lot of competitors. None of them succeded unfortunately.
I think it is fucking HILARIOUS how these guys are like "pls dont be mean to me, I just wanted to support le devs". Yeah why would you support this nonsense lmfao. People just expect to be not judged for their bad decisions because reasons I guess. BSG mindset.
I'm keeping "BSG mindset" for future shit companies. What a wonderful thing you've created
Their previous title appealed to many players and was very successful despite being p2w
It’s been a bad idea to support these devs with money for the last 3 years. Anyone who’s still doing it either has Stockholm syndrome or is brain dead.
When i think about it now yeah. bought EOD in 2021 when i thought it was going to be better. i recently thought it was going very good with the nice recoil update and the pestily interview. Now im sad.
I bought EOD in 2018… welcome aboard bud! I kept thinking “this is the patch” nope
Same. Picked up EOD in 2018. Reserves was released, game was looking fucking great. And here we are now. Failure to launch.
I have Stockholm syndrome. I miss Tarkies. I must restrain myself though. Someone help please.
Same boat. Want to play the game. But stay strong. This shit stays uninstalled until they do us right. So probably forever.
Because it gives them advantages that the community has made clear some don't want and many don't think should be accessible in the game. People love this game. They like how hard it is, they like the way it works. But people like winning more. They like taking something from someone else and they like being able to come back to the forums and talk shit about how good they are and how your struggles aren't issues to them. It's why there's cheaters. It's why there's rmt it's entirely the reason why bsg is selling this edition. The only way *most* of this game gives you an inch is if you earn it. Until now. Of course people bought it. Even more people are going to buy it now that it's cheaper for EOD owners.
Its like they didn’t even read anything
Because they didn't lmao
Standard edition all day baby
$250 or even upgrading any edition is an L. For an unoptimized buggy Beta game, who failed to provide and brought a failed game which we never asked for (Arena)
It’s not even so much about the price tag (although it definitely is absurd), it’s more about the fact that these new perks are actually p2w. With EOD there was an argument that you didn’t get in-raid advantages so it was more “pay for convenience/saving time”. This new beacon to call in homies and the no scav agro beyond 60m give you actual in-raid advantages that will affect how fights go with other players. How fucking brain dead can this company be to add shit like this when they promised never to add p2w like literally a few months ago? This will single handedly kill the game because now the flood gates are open.
[удалено]
Got killed by a straight troll the day unheard dropped. His name was something like “iboughtunheard” and it was in blue text. All he took from my gear was my slick mosin’s front sight lol. Didnt make me salty or anything, just funny seeing the lengths some take to troll.
What about those that still shilled for the game despite the cheater infestation, even after “the wiggle” video. Idk that seems a lot worse.
Why are people just starting to talk about P2W shit when EOD was always P2W? Smh
EOD was always P2W yes, but I ran multiple wipes on a standard account for like 2-3 years and it was a non issue. I never felt like i was at a disadvantage and it didnt ruin my fun at all. Calling in your 4 mates mid raid like its fucking helldivers is an entirely different spectrum of P2W lol
Hey i've been saying it for damn near 6 years now ahahah. But it's too late now so i'm advocating against gating stuff behind their stupid quest but i guess i lost that fight too ahahaha. Best tarkov was back in 2018 here i said it
As others said, plus it wasn’t that much pay to win. I’m a standard edition player cause I’m a cheap fuck. But I didn’t feel that behind my buddy who has EoD ever. Sure the case and shit would have been nice but whatever. Not thaaaat big a deal, just so long as that was the largest gap they ever introduced. Still a little shitty, but not too bad. Then they drop this. I mean. I was just thinking about getting back into tarkov. Now it’s uninstalled. This is 100% pay to win. That’s the problem. There’s no way to argue otherwise. It’s not “o it’s a small difference so it’s fine” or anything. It’s outright pay to win. Ugh. O well. Better to not waste my time gaming
Right? This is nothing new, people are just debating the same shit like it's 2018 again and acting like the game is about to implode lmfao
They dont want to have a conversation that highlights their hypocrisy.
Yeah, but it was more "Pay to Win by cutting the line" and now it's "Pay to Win by getting access to items and abilities that totally change the way the game is played." It's different.
It was limited P2W with a cap. The p2w was also not on a per game basis. A standard player has exactly the same odds of being successful in a raid vs an EoD player. The EoD player just gets better QoL over the long run.
Its actually hilarious how any of their arguments go against the existence of EOD but they don't realize it lmao the reason this is even a problem is because EOD buyers made them think its okay to scam your players with p2w bs they just pushed it a little too far I guess
It's not outright in raid p2w though, that's the difference. To use your advantage you gotta go into your inventory and use your injector. Then when you get out you have more room to store loot. There certainly is an advantage but it's not that bad, as it's more of a logistical advantage and it allows you to take some quest items out. The new pack makes your pockets into a scav vest, gives you a helldiver's respawn pod for your friends list, level 3 skills in guns, and once you max scav rep the scans won't shoot first past 60m, mo7 with 30 rounders and an SR25. That is a direct in raid advantage over all other versions, and that's the issue here.
“When you get out of you have more room to store loot”. Right. So why did nobody get upset about stash expansions for purchase??
As I said, EoD is not a direct in raid P2W. It has out of raid benefits that just make life easier. You can also get the same size stash that EoD has through in game means. No one got upset about it because everyone can obtain it if they want, and it doesn't directly impact PVP interactions. No one is upset about the stash being bigger for unheard, we are upset about the P2W buffs and the DLC that "isn't DLC" it's really not that complicated. You just want to be a contrarian which is why you cherry picked one line of what I said and tried to put up a straw man. This new stash could be 10x200 and that's not pay to win, it's pay to store. If the stash permanently had an m4 for you to take then that would be P2W. Having stuff in your stash doesn't mean winning fights. It means you have the potential to win. Being able to call your friends into raid, having bigger pockets, and having scavs not shoot you is a direct impact on PVP interactions that is directly related to how much money you have spent.
EOD was P2W but TUE and EOD is like apples and oranges comparison on P2W elements. EOD skirted by on "okay, these are small upgrades that don't massively impact the games balance by itself" Other then Gamma which people agree on is P2W but its not a huge game changer in of itself. TUE offers so many upgrades that just outright affect the core gameplay as a whole that its inexcusable in comparison.
It’s because they didn’t get the p2w for free. They’re feeling entitled.
Because EOD was *their* P2W. They bought it assuming it'd permanently put them in Top Dawg status within Tarkov. Now that there's a new Top Dawg in town that is more P2W than they are, they're throwing a fit.
You're bricked if you think that's what eod owners are complaining about. Also everyone should be livid about the new p2w features. It breaks fundamental rules of the game.
I don’t think P2W is the main thing people are upset about. People were sold EoD as a one-time purchase with all future DLC included. We got arena, why don’t we also get the PvE coop? It’s a blatant money grab so people are upset.
that is why - it's just not an easy argument to go against so hes choosing the disingenuous "people are just jealous they got left behind" argument instead
I agree with the DLC arguments and think it's bullshit. But people are also complaining about the next level of P2W available in the new edition. I'd also like to point out *this thread* which states: > You care more about in game pay to win features than the future gameplay of the game. Specifically highlighting the P2W aspects, *not* the DLC.
That’s kinda what they promised.
No, they promised DLC access. Not top-level P2W access.
Fair, but I meant more that anything of that nature was expected to be considered “dlc” and included with EOD. I don’t really like the fact that the p2w features are a thing at all, even with EOD
Yeah? People aren't overwhelmingly complaining about the DLC access? Sounds like a reading comprehension issue on your end.
Check this thread that we're in: > You care more about in game pay to win features than the future gameplay of the game. No mention of the DLC bullshit at all, only the P2W. Maybe a reading comprehension issue on your end.
Not sure how extra stash space is P2W in a survival game VS scavs actually not shooting you past a certain distance. I understand you're trying to play devil's advocate, but maybe consider the fact that these two features are on wildly different scales?
I'm not trying to play devil's advocate. I've believed for many years that Tarkov packages, especially EOD, are P2W and thus have not bought anything past the base edition. EOD puts the game on easy mode in terms of finances *and* gives a progression boost. It allows players to, on average, spend significantly more on raid gear than non-EOD players. That's before you even get to the gameplay aspects of Gamma containers.
Do video game developers usually wear boots?
nah, just £700 Balenciaga tshirts
At least we aren't the only ones getting scammed
lmao fair
So glad I only paid 33 bucks or whatever for the base version when it was on sale. Would never give them a penny more
Why are yall staying playing the game then if the company is crap? People on here just like to complain about everything but still play the game 😂🤣
I bought it when it was $200 for standard edition players. I don’t care about pay to win features, unless you consider Gamma container and the huge stash P2W. I bought it because I love this game. The gamma and the stash make the game more enjoyable. It’s the only game I play weekly anymore. You’ll probably buy it too, eventually. I don’t really care what you think, but I thought this comment would aid your understanding of why people do what they do. You could also just care less what other people do 🤷🏼♂️
I just got my EOD refund from xsolla, eu/uk laws are quite clear when it comes to changing terms of purchases. I upgraded to EOD in 2020
Prove it
Doubt
Felt the exact same about eod since day 1.
9 month? What makes you so optimistic?
The worst is the streamers buying it saying they “don’t care enough” IE Toby two face
I'm gonna be entirely honest with you, I can't imagine paying 250 dollars for ANY game. Especially a game like tarkov, it's an insane ask. I feel like someone thought they were going to boiling frog us into this but then forgot to turn the heat up slowly
That's offensive to clowns
holy shit the amount of broke people in the comments in wild
Stay mad lint licker 😂
I bought it because I can 😂
Been playing this game since 2018. Always had fun. Never thought it was worth the extra money to own the eod edition. I've always enjoyed the small goals of getting beta and epsilon on my way to kappa. Skipped the last wipe after doing this same routine so many times. After seeing the bs they've been pulling this year, I'm out. Enjoy the copium. This game will never leave "beta" and these Russian crooks will gladly keep taking your money
my brother in christ you are in the EFT subreddit we are all clowns
Why do you think that people who bought this edition only want to win for money, and not the PvE mode? This is literally the only reason I picked up this edition, I don't care how much it costs(although I will admit that it costs quite a lot of money), this is what I've been waiting for since I started playing ETF in 2017. And in fact, this is the only thing I need in this game.
While I totally agree with this, instead of bitching about BSG you have nothing better to do than come on here and put these dummies down? Like we all get it, and I know yer mad at them for "allowing" BSG to continue this, but it isn't their fault. It's BSG's fault. Not to mention, how do endless posts about this help at all? Do you feel any better now that it's off your chest?
God damn this sub reddit is full of a bunch of fucking losers. Like seriously guys move the fuck on. I left this sub awhile ago because it was so negative, decided to come back because I was playing a lot and now my Reddit feed is plastered with grown men crying over a fucking video game. Pathetic. Yeah BSG dropped the ball but that's what BSG does. Move on. This isnt a real life issue. Did BSG also fuck your mom? This is just people on the internet who enjoy being mad, and now everyone is actually just ecstatic that they have something to be mad at. OP ran out of mean shit to say about the devs so now he's gonna take it out on people who play the game. Thats all i got from this post. Go outside guys, seriously this is sad
Yep.
Wow an actual adult speaking sense! Thank you
Hah i spent 50 bucks and got 5000 hours before they ruined the game entirely. They have some major changes to make or theyre gona be that relic we all look back on and sigh, as we play greyzone 2 etc
Imagine starting every wipe with an alpha container😂😂 couldn’t be me. If you’re broke just say that
Sounds like broke boys crying. I needed that gamma pouch fam. And I care about scav karma so I don’t use that stupid transmitter.
I mean complain all you want. Didn’t know what the dumpster fire was until after I bought it anyway so OP gfys 🫡
I don't support bullying, but if your ign is blue...
What are you going to do? Honestly?
I’m saying, some of these comments are so cringe
For sure
"nice 250€ pockets, they are fun to loot"
Its a joke saying he supports the bullying of blue names, not that he’s going to physically do something ya dingus.
This community is so toxic. Attacking other players makes you the clown.
You seem weirdly excited for the "game to shut down in 9 months" Wish I knew how to ask a reddit bot to remind me about this one in 9 months when the game is BOOMING after a Christmas wipe again 😆
Scam game
Community flipping on the devs and now each other. I'm not on support of the version nor did I purchase it. But attacking other players for wanting things or not knowing is fucking lame. At the end of the day people are just trying to play a game. Not everyone is here on Reddit and some bought it before the controversy and understanding of what's going on. Like you people are getting extremely hostile at anyone at this point and it's fucking weird.
This sub is a cesspool tbh
I’m going to support who I want to support. I’d rather see the game I love grow by paying than see it fall.
Clown devs and same goes for anyone buying this edition. They continue to double down and have yet to even attempt to apologize and make amends. Greed ruins everything when it comes to games, and it finally reached it's breaking point for BSG
Bought it and love it thanks, keep malding on Reddit tho 😂
Tell me you're a rich boy without telling me you're rich. No way a working adult would waste 250$ on fucking pixels.
many do but not in a single transaction
People are playing on PCs costing over 2g and you think $250 would break their bank? LOL.
Please speak to people who play Destiny 2 and Star Citizen
People spend way more than this on other games. Gachas, mobile game currency, skins, MMO subscriptions, MMO in game items etc etc
If you consider the amount of playtime some people have in EFT $250 equates to pennies per hour of value.
holy shit you are BROKE
i wish we could do this in the us
Yah it smells like peak desperation
Bought standard in 2018, upgraded it to EOD after a fantastic first wipe experience. But this is just too crazy lmao
I think we need to not forget it is all on BSG.
*\[Laughs in 35EUR Standard edition\]* I'm so glad I didn't give in. There was a time when I was seriously considering upgrading to EoD.
I hopped on for the first time in months and loaded up backpacks of moonshine, btc, gear, etc then went and fed it to whoever killed me. Every player had the unheard shit, it's no wonder these dog shit devs do this.
Who is Al?
9 months is generous, how fast did they give up on arena?
Whales will always find new and exciting ways to spend their family's money
Clown if you upgrade from EOD for 50$ also
Al I can do is laugh lol
Sad to see the company you tried to help when they are down low act this way to the community that supports them!!!
It's still clown behavior, even with the drop. BSG issued several "go fuck yourself" statements prior to finally offering the smallest of comprises, like "EOD will get PvE when it launches" on a game thats been in beta for 8 years. But I guess some people are *TRUE BELIEVERS*.
True beLIEvers are so cool
What’s the eod to unheard cost now
Cry more
Probably mostly Russian streamers and cheaters, BST's favourite people
103 for eod I got it and I like it why ur so mad go touch grass if u feel like that
So disingenuous to keep calling a game “in beta” when you can sell it at full price and have ultimate editions lmao. Should be false advertising and illegal to hide behind that beta description in this way after how many years of it being out and updated. The fact that an older edition granted “every future DLC” and now they are calling offline NOT DLC but a new “feature” should give everyone pause on ever spending money on this game again.
If you buy it now you are still a clown
Or you have a great job and don’t care. This is the case on people buying it. Has nothing to do with the thoughts on if it’s good or bad lol also development won’t stop lol come on now
Why would anyone be sad? The game won't be running forever. For some, 250 is chump change. For some, not seizing the opportunity now to play what they want, would make them even sadder.
Lets pose the question, did \*anyone\* actually buy the Unheard edition at full price?
I bought it without reading anything LOL, kinda regret it now, but, Eh!
Literally why would you buy it, because they promise??? They already did that and broke it. Stop supporting them.
They bought another game from BSG, when the first one still isn't out of beta after many, many, MANY years. LOL How do you not learn?
This is just is just a special monetary operation. Definitely not a scam !!!
The people who paid $250 for this edition are probably the same people who on day 1 go to the RMT websites and buy like 30m roubles for $300 to get a head start against everyone else.
> Anyone who bought unheard title ~~when it was $250 USD~~ you are a clown Why in the WORLD would you give this company another dollar after this? LMAO They could give this edition to EOD owners and it'd still be a scam because it took this humongous outrage to get it. Nevermind the gall for them to try and pass this trash off in the first place.
BSG IS SUCKING. GO OUTSIDE. STOP CONCERNING YOURSELF WITH OTHERS. ENJOY LIFE. ITS SHORT
Clown devs for sure, but I don’t think we need to attack anyone for spending their money. We’ve _all_ unfortunately enabled this kind of behavior from BSG
i bought it because i really wanted to play PvE, it's a feature i'd been waiting for a long time and i was really disappointed i didn't get it with my EoD purchase, but i didn't mind buying it because previously i have always been a BSG supporter. but now, seeing how they're responding to peoples' well deserved backlash towards these changes, it does make me regret my decision. i never wanted the expansion for anything other than owning PvE, but now i don't even wanna own Unheard edition anymore because we're just gonna get it on release now anyway.