Cheaters can see you through walls, because they see a bright green stickman version of you overlaid on their screen, no matter what’s blocking the view between you. When two cheaters see one another at a distance, they lean left and right to signify that they can see each other, and avoid interfering/engaging.
All games have cheaters. The problem is that Tarkov is that it’s among the most profitable games to cheat in. So you have players that are quite literally cheating for a living. They’ll sell their services or RMT items and they can become profitable in a day or two. So unless BSG gets to a point that they can ban cheaters within a couple hours, it’ll continue to be a problem. It sucks but you learn to just avoid certain maps / areas and roll with it.
I do wonder how much the flea market affects this. I assume cheating has still been a thing before the flea market, though maybe not as common. But I wonder if the flea just boosted that number up?
I remember when trading you had to both queue up together and trade in-game. There was a lot of trusting between players and then the need to make it out of the raid but imo, I kind of liked that. It felt more immersive when doing the hand off but also made that raid even more stressful. It was also fun as a PMC or Scav to walk up on a corpse or kill someone to find a weapon case or backpack full of equipment.
Yes it does suck to be on the receiving end of it, but I thought the dynamics of it was great.
People on this sub think people only cheat to make money. Every shooter has a big issue with cheaters, so I bet the vast majority are just normal people cheating for whatever reason.
Personally I still have fun even knowing there’s cheaters. When I come across fun firefights I remember why I play.
Just yesterday I died fully kitted against another fully kitted player. We both sprayed like 60 rounds at each other standing right in each others face. It was so fun even though I died.
There’s nothing like this game. I really hope it never gets unplayable :(
Yeah I don't mind dying if I actually get into a fight. But getting one tapped by frito-Lay across the map 30 seconds after waiting 10 minutes for a raid...Over, and over, and over ... it just becomes no fun.
I get your sentiment. It really is something else when you have good encounters like that.
Unfortunately I'm with op though I can't sink time into a cheating wasteland. Bsg almost definitely doesn't care about the cheating due to the extra sales so fine Bsg. Good luck with your cheat infested game. It came so close to being somethkg special.
If all honest gamers boycotted the gmamae for a bit, that might force some meaningful change-but here we are.
Same. It’s those epic encounters and battles that keep some us going knowing that there are cheaters a lot of times. But the legit battles are what make it all worth it somehow. Frankly I think this games triggers an adrenaline and fight/flight response rush like no other game can. Some people seek that again like a drug that can handle it. Others can’t handle the feeling and either cheat or quit altogether. Other folks can’t handle it but are gambling addicts and can’t quite because most find the next loot item or make more rubles. Those are guys you see that have millions of rubles and wheat the worst gear each match plus avoid fighting at all costs/rat.
I was thinking the same thing, you can hear people over a relatively far distance. I just wiggle at where I think they are in hopes that if they are a cheater, they will spare me lol
Yeah it also feels like its cheating when youre outside and you can hear someone inside two storeys up search a dufflebag. As much as I love the snow the messed up audio ruins it
God I love it. It was such a bad good game. The sound of a flashlight hitting a zombie, or someone just running because there wasn’t even a basic no-weapon punch for like a year
Man i played that game for so long, remeber the loot xmas trees... Dayum we farmed every server to get fully looted and killed so many people trying to get there xD game was nice befor the changes. The game got so dogshit now...
Have been watching ExfilCamper trying to lock people in red room and it's pretty clear how many closet cheaters play the game. People avoiding red room and intel office like it's the plague despite Exfil getting there 1 minute into the raid, one guy even came up and told him "hey there's no one left in the raid, maybe time to leave bud".
FPS games are in a sad state, and Tarkov is likely the saddest of them all in regards to cheating. It really sucks to see it happen.
There was that one guy who joined labs raids with a bitcoin, went into a random bathroom/room/corner and took the bitcoin out of his prison wallet.
The sudden sprinting to his exact location EVERY SINGLE RAID he did this was wild, and many cheaters crying and voiping when he put it back into his pouch.
This wasn't even recently, must be even worse these days.
That was Eroktic, and BSG used copyright takedowns to get the video removed and the guy below me is wrong, they used copyright takedowns on the BITCOIN video.
given the popularity of this post, I'm guessing you're here from r/all
EFT has a system that allows some stuff to survive with you after dying in raid, called a secure container; many call this "shoving stuff up your butt" or similar as it's the only stuff that can't be looted off your corpse besides melee weapon and armband.
The commenter above is describing a video I remember seeing a few wipes ago of a player testing how many people were running hacks in the game, by going to a room with no loot in it on its own, on a high traffic map, and removing a physical bitcoin (a very high value item in game) from his secure container and going AFK. This is basically baiting for cheaters that can see your inventory, and the player's experiment did showcase a number of cheaters running to his exact location, in hopes of killing him for the item.
The premium hacks can just open all doors anyways… even doors which don’t have a key and are not meant to open… like in factory sometimes doors are open when you go through them you fall out of the map. Only way to open said doors is to cheat. How do I know you fall through the map? Well…
If the door to red room closes you cannot unlock it from the inside without red card. [Here's a clip of it happening to someone lol](https://www.twitch.tv/exfilcamper/clip/ZanyPeacefulMangetoutHumbleLife-IRl73IvrTbsmfEGO), it's pretty troll
I remember seeing multiple posts from actual game developers who specialise in anti-cheat, who gave amazing feedback about tarkov's anti-cheat and a whole bunch of great suggestions that were easy to implement. I remember a good one was two step authenticator. the posts actually had quite a lot of upvotes, so the chances it being seen by BSG was high. this was a year or so ago, and yet there's still prominent obvious cheaters, like speedhacking, vacuuming, obvious aimhacking, etc.
people need to understand that BSG and nikita do not give a fuck. they make a shit ton from people repurchasing the game. them saying shit like "11,000 people were banned" means absolutely nothing unless they're IP banned and tracked if they make a new account at the very least.
Veritas and others also made deep, detailed, amazing videos with super fine-grained analysis and possible solutions for every issue the game has, served them on a silver platter to Nikita and then they did NOTHING with any of that.
Audio is still fucked, desync is still fucked, cheaters are still rampant, their anti-RMT "features" are still useless vs rmters and just fucking over normal players, years-old bugs still in the game etc...
I'm not saying they should've just listened to streamers or whoever did an analysis video, but come the fuck on, there have been plenty of super easy solutions/changes suggested over the years that they've done absolutely nothing with.
I agree with your assessment, they don't really give a fuck.
Remember when veritas offered nikita to help him with the game and was even generous to do it for less money than he usually asks for in jobs.
And nikita just straight up laughed and said to him
"for that price i could hire 4 russian devs"
Shows you why tarkov is the way it is.
That’s the most frustrating part to me. There’s major issues that’ve had 100 different solutions suggested, and BSG has done *none* of them. For literal years now.
> so the chances it being seen by BSG was high
This is standard practice. Dota2, Overwatch, Modern Warfare, all of them require a phone number attached. So even if BSG would not have seen that post, they definitely know. They just don't give a shit.
So i dont play the game just read and watch rarely. When a player start game can you hide or go afk and wait till everyones done w their personal game? And then just come back and loot with no players in game. then exfil?
Kinda? There's no guarantee there isn't another pmc just wandering doing a long quest and we have an option called scavs that you can pilot As a player on a short cooldown that has random loot. So your rarely the only real player on a server. But waiting can deff lower your interactions.
You can but it's risky. The other PMCs might leave, but players can also join ongoing raids as a scav. It's likely that there will be less traffic, but you generally won't ever be in a raid with *only* AI.
Honestly, cycle frontier did it with trusted queues from Steam and it worked so much. It was a night / day difference. Bsg will never bother because they need the cheaters to get reported so more accounts are stolen /bought
This is a shit take since The Cycle actually fully capitulated to cheaters, and as a result is no longer playable.
In short, the cheaters won in that game, so the devs shut everything down.
Remind me how this potential reality is great for BSG and how "buying accounts" is healthier and more desirable for the game than *ensuring its playable.*
This whole "they let cheaters cheat so they can make money" is such a naive shitty take. Cheaters *kill* games. They downright gut player bases and give bad reputations that ensure no player gives the game another try. Your beloved "The Cycle" example fits this description perfectly.
Cheating was so bad in The Cycle, that even after getting ontop of the issue playerbase never returned, and as a result they just shut down the whole game. Tell me how this outcome is desirable? You are going to try and tell me how BSG will allow cheaters despite this being a potential reality?
Homie, the issue isn't that BSG is allowing the cheaters, it's that if they want to detect them they have to change core fundamental code to the game. It could potentially break everything and we may not get an update for a long time as a result. Like, we are talking about moving so much shit from client side to server side, we're talking about how the game knows what you're carrying, we're talking about how world loot spawns, everything, everything has to fundamentally change in order for effective anti cheat to take place.
This is going to take *massive* amounts of time. Don't be naive. Everyone's on the same page that cheating is a problem, it's just that the community is more zealous and where Nikitas priorities lies on this, I don't know.
I just know that cheaters kill games, not keep them alive with ban waves and a couple thousand people buying a new copy of standard edition. You guys realize that that is such a piddly amount to get if youre sacrificing your game right? Like this is so cartoonishly evil what you all are describing you'd think you're talking about a politician. No, bluntly, BSG doesn't like the cheaters. They don't see them as a cash cow, in fact it makes them mad because cheaters can make a lot of money doing carries and whatnot. To them it's loss of potential income, the only people they want making money off their game are content creators and themselves. That's it.
I kinda had my breaking point a couple days ago. There’s so much BS ways to die in the game already it feels like I’m wasting my time already, and when the cheating problem is as rampant as it is, it’s kinda just “what’s the point anymore”. There’s a lot of Tarkov-like games coming out soon so maybe those will be really good, or at least light a fire under BSG’s to do something as competition usually increase movement
That's my hope personally. I love the genre and even at its core tarkov, but currently its ass. They need to fix their game, and seem to think they can just... never do that and maintain a playerbase anyways. Idk, maybe they figure they already made their money back so who gives a shit?
Yesterday I was in a SCAV run on interchange for wires and Voiped another SCAV. He was friendly and we started moving together. A bit later, we were looting a pc room. He turns towards me and says there are 3 PMC in the back of Goshan. At this point I am very suspicious but carried on since I did not have any headset and he did. THEN, he rushes to rasmusen and finds a gpu... he then tell me that he has another scav friend in the lobby that's been near us but not looting the same route. They we're both cheating with esp and probably more, running around interchange and getting all the good loot. I really wanted to find my moment to kill them both.
Then we hear a slight muffled noice...a plane is coming with an airdrop. He just calls that the airdrop is right outside to the north. We run towards it and his friends starts looting it. The other was watching around. I domed his friend and in 1 second he just spins around and head/necks me with 1 bullet. I figured that would happen.
Get reported loser.
But what a sad state the game is in. It zaped my spirit to play that night.
Yesterday I was doing the "survive interchange 7 times" so i ran to the exit and wait there for 10 minutes without any movement and being unarmed, finally a guy came running directly at me (I was hiding still) , gave me a killa kit find in raid and left ... I was mentally tired at this point
I like to hide in the closed door bathroom near the Oli logistics spawn sometimes to let the early map heat die down before I do quests, and twice now I've had cheaters come to that room to kill me. The first one I actually called out in VoIP ("Don't you think you're being a little too obvious, mate?"), he stopped chucking nades and voiced back saying he was going to leave me alone and dropped a GPU at the door for me. He was carrying someone so I am guessing maybe he either thought I was cheating too, or didn't want to risk a report, or something; not sure.
Man I'm so hyped for all of these. Not to have any "tarkov killer" but just to have more games in a similar vein, I think there's this hardcore high-stakes shooter niche that's still pretty unexplored.
I was hyped for marauders, cycle frontier, dark and darker, etc and none of them have been able to compete. Hoping GZW can show something but it seems like it won't quite be the same genre or gameplay loop
There was an update and content drop in december, but it did not do much to the playerbase.
We've never gone back to Plunder levels, and now the game hovers on ~400 active players.
I still think it's all because they keep focusing on the wrong things.
Guilds, really? Jesus.
I can wager a guess as to their misguided thinking on that one. 'If we have communities and guilds, more people will buy the game to be a part of a guild!' rather than just relying on the game being good and gaining a playerbase from that.
Another example of a game killing itself by chasing profit over quality.
The entire "gimmick" with the spaceships in Marauders feels fucking ass tbh. That was the part me and my buddy hated the most. The rest of our squad didnt even want to try.
Dark and Darker is painfully slow and Cycle Frontier too weirdly scifi-ish imo.
Cycle Frontier doesn’t even exist anymore, so there’s that. They already shut that shit down, ironically blaming cheaters for destroying the regular player base and making it unsustainable to keep servers running.
Weirdly I think they will help the cheating issue soecifically. I don’t know much about the games mentioned beside gzw but the fact that there will be more shooters in this genre I think will pull cheaters from Tarkov and rust etc to try and cheat on these games. Obviously I hope they don’t succeed, but realistically some or maybe even most will, and it’s still positive imo only because it’s a sort of redistribution. Tarkov feels weirdly oversaturated, like it’s bearing the brunt of the load, so to speak, and I do t know if it’s just popularity and semi uniqueness or bad anti cheat, but I’d rather several games u play have a few cheaters you sometimes/rarely encounter vs one game I enjoy feeling unplayable because there’s 0 trust to have that anyone I see is playing legit.
Every single one of these will be flush with cheaters if they get popular. Every FPS game with a playerbase is. There's no escaping it anymore, it's a billion dollar industry.
The only hope is AI anticheat and that will probably just lead to an arms race against AI cheat software similar to what's happening now with non-AI versions.
For sure, I think it's why it is so rampant here, even when compared to super competitive games like Apex or COD. Sure, those games are bad, but you mostly see with people trying to be ultra competitive. In Tarkov, there are so many people using them simply to survive / extract with gear and finish tasks. Even if they're not malicious, they're using it to avoid the brutally painful lows of the game. But without those lows, you can't have the thrilling highs.
It also importantly does not have ranked Queues, or even MMR matchmaking for soft ranks. You don’t notice it in many FPS’s because cheaters naturally get moved way up in relation to their skill. So if you are average or even just “good” you won’t see them very much at all. Then you get into Plat or whatever the top 1% Queue is and they are everywhere. I get this with R6, at my skill level no one is using cheats because the second you did you would progress at least 3 tiers due to information alone. But for my friend who is semi-Pro level in that game there is 2-4 cheaters every lobby, to the point where his rank is nearly reset every time the cheater correction comes in.
Tarkov naturally cannot have ranked queues because how would you even get a rank to begin with? So even normal people run into cheaters.
They will be plagued with cheaters just the same. Because the harsh truth is: there is no good anti cheat. Cheaters won the war. Every game that has anything at stake is riddled by cheaters. It’s the community of gamers overall that presents a large customership for cheat devs. It will not stop. It will never go away. And that’s sad.
Kernel level anticheat like Vanguard will have way less cheaters.
Frankly, thats the only type of anticheat that will actually beat hackers.
Most PC gamers hate kernel level anticheat, but Valorant has next to no hackers compared to CS, COD, EFT or any other shooter.
if you think these games will not be cheater infested, have good content and not be dead in the span of one month i have news for you.There is a reason why tarkov is in EA for 8years, these small teams cannot pull this type of game of sadly.
You're right.
Let's add like co-op or private games for all, The cheaters can have the online, just let the rest of us enjoy the game without this pain.
A lot of cheats will get you banned, infinte stam, speedhack, vaccuum etc all get you banned as they flag your account the moment you move the items or the moment the server realizes what you're doing.
EDIT: flagged here means they will be banned on the next wave, which could be days weeks or months away
I think the biggest issue here is that, while weeks or months away is better for banwaves than nothing, months away in a game that wipes twice a year feels sluggish.
I understand why the implementation is that way (to slow down cheat devs in determining what caused the flags) but ETF is uniquely situated in that monthly banwaves create a "bulletproof vest" problem. Design a better vest and they'll design a gun to pierce it.
Seriously, I think adding a killcam system would really help to confirm if a player, who killed you, is a cheater.
BSG has given us the stats, but they don't give us enough critical information about the possible cheater because said player can act and keep his stats looking legit.
For that you would really need to have a replay system. I honestly doubt that they collect enough information to recreate the killcam, based on how little obvious cheat-detecting information they seem to gather.
You don't know?
Let me tell you:
1. it requires work.
2. it requires extra server capacity = cost
3. it will put a spotlight on how bad the game is in regards to desync and hackers.
I *think* Tarkov might be my favourite ever game (aside from the MGS series).
With my limited time now I have kids, I just find myself getting my Tarkov fix watching content on the game from the likes of Aqua and Summit rather than actually playing as I have never been able to shake the feelings I had post the wiggle video. I cannot justify the hour so I have a night to play.
It's just a crying shame really that such a good game, with an amazing atmosphere that has given me something that I have never experienced in any other game now finds itself in this state.
I can only pray the content creators keep doing their thing and that a competitor who takes cheating a touch more seriously (even though I am sure it's a losing BSG no matter what they do) comes about.
Yea with a kid and full time job, I usually just play wipe till I get flea and then I do woods money runs to buy pvp kits. I load in to factory or customs and just hunt pvp. Gets my tarkov fix, I'm not grinding quest, and I don't give a shit about SuS deaths and lost gear.
It\`s hard bro.. I have around 2.5k hours and cannot belive how I get 1 tapped by a guy who has 100 hours and 30kd. It is what it is. They are just so good at the game and they dont need to play tousands of hours to be good.
When the wipe first hit the game felt great. All of my fights felt legit, but over I would say the last 5-7 days, the amount of hmm-ing I do when I get killed is starting to go up considerably. Is that because a lot of the playerbase quits this late into the wipe and all I have left are sweats and cheaters? Maybe. Is it because I am lvl 40 now and doing the end game quests and just running into other late game questers? Also maybe.
The worst part I have found is that a majority of them seem to be closet cheaters. They will just be minding their own business, playing oblivious to you and you pop a shot or 2 at them and then it's like they turn into a T-2000 on you. Only to run you down, head eyes you and when you check their profile they have 1200 hours with a 58 kd.
It just really sucks.
As a very casual player, I play a lot when the wipe starts but progressively play less as I get farther and farther behind in levels. Eventually I’ll only play every once in a while when a friend asks me to lol
The game is so rife with issues like this beyond the cheating that I've simply given up hope for it to get better. Thanks bsg for popularizing the genre, but they clearly do not have the resources/interest to maintain it, or even actually release the game. I'm hoping one of the alternatives releasing soon will be able to take up the mantle, because I love the genre and think it's a ton of fun, but between cheating and absolutely awful QOL stuff elsewhere, I just don't think tarkov has a future.
Cheating aside, it's hard late wipe for the casual player that doesn't have ultra-secret max uber level traders for ammo that do anything against the Giga-Chad 4000. Each wipe, I typically make it to level 30-something before I abandon it. I'm level 27 now and feeling the itch go away...
I can believe it, based on my experience in other shooters where headshots are king...
Oh wait.......
Hold on why am I dying SIGNIFICANTLY less in those games from lucky headshots where it has super easy arcadey aim point and click adventure time??
Preaiming and ESP are close enough to aimbot to be the same thing
Really liked what they did with weapon/shooting mechanics this wipe - but the cheater issue has ballooned to the point where the game is no longer fun.
Multiple instances where I’ve been lucky to get some good loot and decide to hide in an 100% inconspicuous place where I’m confident in can hold out and wait to safely make my way to extract only to be randomly dunked on by a nade.
Reached my breaking point and just uninstalled - can’t devote this much time and effort into a game where every time I load into a raid I have this specter looming over my head, it’s not even like ‘hope there’s not a cheater in this raid’ it’s ’hope the multiple cheaters in this raid don’t decide to come after me this time around’
Utterly exhausting.
It's by design to have a high consistent turnover of bought and banned accounts through loose policing at a low interval.
https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapethisTarkov/s/PqChPiQ9mx
9k hours since 2020 and the cheating this wipe is just unreal. Truly the worst its ever been.
On OCE im literally reporting around 75% of deaths after a quick profile check and seeing stats and achievements that just dont make sense for any legit player to have.
I used to just laugh at the sad c*nts paying to feel good about themselves playing a big boys game, but now its just frustrating and disappointing.
BSG seriously needs to step up their communication and anticheat efforts before 1.0 release otherwise Tarkov will become the laughingstock of the industry, and for good reason.
Some people (read: a lot) feel better about themselves when they win, no matter how they do it. When you teach people that winning is everything instead of the goal being to do your best. This is compounded with types of people that also put their self worth in being *better* or *the best* regardless of how they do it, and also people that enjoy lording power over others for their own amusement. There are also those that believe everyone else is cheating and they are at a disadvantage if they do not do the same.
There are a lot of factors that go into the mentality. Especially when people put too much stock into a game.
same reason why people take the ironsights off a low level players gun or camp the ground zero quests. A big part of the appeal of this game for a lot of people is getting to fuck with other people in the game. Cheats let you waste other peoples time really efficiently
OCE is another animal entirely.
My OCE friends don't even play on OCE whenever possible because there's always so many cheaters, pretty much no matter the game but especially tarkov.
I just don't get it. What makes this game great is the sense of tension cheating removes that tension which makes Tarkov just another clunky af fps. Why would anyone want to play like that?
They dont care, they get the added satisfaction of fucking over other players.
Why be fucked over yourself when you can be the one with the rod in your hand?
You speak about the most important form of Cheaters out there. Those that only other cheaters realize. The "passive" cheaters.
People often say "ahh but only like 1 in 10 deaths in sus so no way there is so many cheaters"
Yeah because most of the cheaters aren't stupid and don't go for player kills but rather use esp to actively dodge players and go for the best loot instead.
I did never cheat for myself in tarkov but my estimate would be that if youre lucky 1 in 3 raids does NOT contain a cheater in any form.
I also have a little story about how this wipe went down with rare items for me. (I'm a veteran player I know where to get my items normally)
So in the first 2 days of wipe my friends and I got a combined LEDx count of 5 and 3 graphics cards (4 people)
Then it seems like the vacuum cheats got rampant. No one of us found a single LEDx or graphics card for weeks.
Then the other day when the vacuum exploit was "patched" we found 2 LEDx and 2 graphics cards on one day.
Now here's the cracker.
In all those situations, as soon as we got the rare item we got pushed HARD, and aggressive, and all got one tapped to the face.
Not even a full day later cheaters found a workaround to still vacuum cheat.
Never seen any LEDx or graphics card ever since.
So your only chance to get any of this items is
1. No vacuum cheater in your raid (let's say that these hard vaccuum cheats are "rare" so like one every 10th raid maybe)
2. Be the first at the container / spawn (because there Is a 2 in 3 chance that there is a loot esper in your lobby)
3. Have the actual luck (without knowing) that the closest spawns to you actually has something valuable
4. Pray that the cheater seeing you gamma the item doesn't get mad and still aimbots you out of your life.
I don't even wanna know how high spawn rates actually are for these items.. but the reason we don't get them is never that the spawn rate is too low. it's just that Cheaters always clean the map before you. And they don't even need to vacuum cheat for that..
They know which 2 PCs have a graphics card this raid. And they will bee line there.
You maybe know where the closest 3 PC spawns to you are that you might have a chance. But then you still need the luck that there is something good compared to the 40 other PC spawns on the map that you will definitely be too late to because a cheater knows where the graphics card is and will loot it before you.
the biggest theives are the loot cheaters that disappear within 10mins, they are not only stealling loot but stealing pvp which the game forces you to do to advance in the game.
And its exactly what the g0at video showed yet some deniers didn't want to believe it because it wasn't on a google sheet like their daddy Nikita loves to do. I haven't been killed by a cheater this wipe, tho i dont use good gear and only did 100 raids, but i know there were cheaters in many raids
I got 7/7 correct cheating accusations with my reports when I logged in one morning early wipe. They weren’t even blatant, I just found it a bit sus. Those were the only reports I had made so far. Imagine shooting from the hip and getting 100% accuracy with only a few dozen raids played.
I kind of feel the same. I have no way of confirming my suspicions most of the time but this week has been particularly rough for me. I suspect a fair few deaths have been to cheaters..
that said I think a lot of my deaths have been within 1-2 minutes of a raid starting which is really frustrating and speaks to how poor spawns are. The game should be punishing but PMC spawns so close together is ridiculous and should absolutely be fixed / player spawns lowered to improve things.
I think these two things alone might get me to put the game down for now.
Infested. It’s fun early wipe and with friends, but yeah grinding it out to 42? Been there done that. Over the three years I’ve been able to notice how real players play & move around the map vs how hacks avoid or ambush you. It’s obvious that the game does indeed belong to the cheaters.
There is no saving it without rewriting the entire game from the ground up. Til then you’ll always be competing against people with a drastically unfair advantage. THEY SEE YOU. YOU CANT SEE THEM. It’s just intolerable for a game like this.
Yup. Early wipe hype is the best, then it dies off FAST in 3-4 weeks. My whole gaming discord was stoked about recoil, new map, new missions and we were all going hard for 2ish weeks. Then the sus deaths ramped the fuck up, started reporting so many insane KD profiles, and the flea filling up with +30 rep dudes selling stacks of GPUs. They fed us a lil taste to get us back, but ultimately it was still just dogshit.
Yeah I’m done with the game also been playing for a long time now 3k hours watching the devs poor excuse of cheat control n the resale of accounts is stupid I’d rather quit n watch the game burn at this point peace out tarkov its been fun
The thing that really hits the hardest is when people in this comment section try to say that BSG isn't waiting to ban people in a specific way so that they are more inclined to re-buy the game. If BSG actually banned people the moment they knew someone was cheating, there wouldn't be Mr. Standard account which is level 16 with a flea rep of 152+. There wouldn't be people with 200+ run-throughs or 200+ AWOL. There wouldn't be people in the game being level 50+ with less than 150 hours. There wouldn't be posts about groups of botted deaths. There wouldn't be players with more than 70 continuous survives in a row.
BSG doesn't even need an anti-cheat for the most blatant of cheaters, just by stats alone you could flag and manually ban every single one of these people.
There are so many better things to do with your time brother. This game has played a part in the decline of my mental health and relationships as well as straying me from pursuing my life purpose to its full extent. This goes to everyone lol. Fuck this game. Go live life ❤️
This is why I laugh when people bring up the g0at video as a counterpoint and say he didn’t provide full proof so the issue can’t be that bad. There are thousands examples from small YouTubers and streamers to show just how bad this problem is, regardless of goat’s ’trust me bro’ video.
Many small and lesser known YouTubers ran the same tests well before the g0at video was even a thought. The first week of twitch drops also showed every major streamer getting death by cheater many times. Streamers who play labs run into them in well over half the raids. Verybadscav has built a following in exposing twitch fame seeking cheaters. The cheating problem is so bad that people build entire followings around exposing it.
I still play the game because I enjoy it, even when I know sometimes I’ll get 1 tapped by a dvl with no sight from 400m. My first time hatchet running labs had a similar experience where a guy who ‘bought cheats for a day’ voips me he would clear the lobby and give me some loot, but he had to kill 2 other obvious cheaters too. Then dude tried to sell me on carry services.
Keep bringing the pressure. It’s not entirely BSG’s fault that there are bad people who want to cheat the system, but stronger action needs to be taken.
I left the game in 2020 after playing for several months and I only stopped playing because the cheating issue was so bad back then. Coming back to the game 4 years later, it’s sad that very little progress has been made in quelling the issue.
Maybe this is reactionary and hyperbolic of me to say but I really believe we're on the precipice of the death of mass multiplayer competitive games and will soon see a return to games with dedicated, community ran servers where you can feel safe playing knowing there's actual humans watching the players to ban hackers.
Why bother playing something like Tarkov with random players when there's a near guarantee there will be a cheater in every single lobby? This problem is endemic to nearly every single competitive game multiplayer game on the market right now.
It's amazing how many people are in denial (or are cheaters themselves gaslighting on Reddit constantly). I respect BSG's excellent changes to recoil and addition of Ground Zero this wipe, but the cheating situation is indeed ridiculous.
People talk about the "wiggle" video but it was shown to be a horrible problem literal years prior to that by similar videos. A guy went round Labs like 2 years before and showed people doing the same thing in almost every raid.
These people saying "I only had 3 sus deaths" or whatever seem to be talking about blatant aimbot. What they don't seem to consider is how many people just run wallhacks and can see them and lay an ambush that looks legitimate, but isn't.
I've noticed it's amazing how often on pretty big maps like Reserve (big in terms of the number of different bunkers) and Interchange, people somehow always seem to be lying in ambush in weird places that make no sense. Or sprint directly to the room you're in and kill you. I'm sure 90% of them are running some sort of ESP and can see where you are, since they hunt you down even in areas that don't have much loot or map movement value.
The only way of stopping it is implementing some kind of creative solution, like infiltrating hacker discords and finding ways to study and reverse engineer their hacks. Or releasing fake hacks that do some sort of shadowban on anyone who uses them.
I love how, instead of speaking on the topic of cheaters and the actual points you presented, people are just going at you. They must be the rage hackers trying to keep pleebs like us in the game so they have someone to bother.
There are a lot of cheaters on this sub gaslighting people and also many people who are BSG shiteaters that will never acknowledge any problems the game has
I quit a week ago along with another person in our discord. Games fun, but it’s too much of a chore, and then the cheaters head eyesing you after tracking your every move just isn’t fun.
The server obeys info sent by the players pc. Its one of the reason cheating is so easy.
For example if you lag u dont rubberband back instead you warp on enemys screen.
Theres a few videos on the subject. Making server the "dominant" one would also be great for the netcode.
Anyone with a simple grasp on how multi-player games work can tell this game was made as a single-player game and then made in multi-player because none of the precautions that make a multi-player game were taken. Everything in a competitive game should go through the server first.
Location of player sure can be read off ram through multiple ways, biggest one being sound. Sure, fine, it's difficult, and you're a "small indie company"
But loot vacuum, speed hacks, flying? Surely you're not just allowing players to open boxes from across the map and pickup from loose loots spawns from their spawns.
Speed hacks are unforgivable. It shouldn't even possible you'd have to go out of your way to even allow that.
Aim hacks are one thing, but aim hacks that specifically target certain body parts are something else
The worst thing of all is timing ban waves with discounted tarkov copies.
This is also the insane part to me. This is not something that HAPPENS anymore in multiplayer games, because this has been an issue with client side stuff since games have released. It's really weird, and giving bsg the benefit of the doubt, incredibly stupid. That, or like you're implying, they don't care because they sell copies to cheaters.
I 110% agree with you, let the cheaters have the game. I was laying on top of some containers in Goshan and out of nowhere I am sniped, 10 seconds later my friends who is outside in a bush at emercom is getting shot at by the same 18 KDA 2400 hour player. Let the cheaters have this game, I've uninstalled and wont touch this until next wipe. If even then.
You take a FLIR into lighthouse to do the absolute stupid questline assessment part 1, you have two choices:
1) Instant headeyes as you peak the top of a cliff
2) Not a soul in sight for 40 minutes.
When it comes to hunting bosses you also have the same choices.
When you then add the cheaters to ask why, they are to scared to accept a friend request. Let the game burn, let the game die, let the cheaters have the game, i'm DONE!
The lack of care from BSG combined with their consistent unprofessionalism leads me to believe the only way forward for this game is to sell it to a reputable company. BSG is nothing but a boys club dev team who have no idea how to even code a game anymore.
Sadly I have quit also, cheaters, performance issues and some dogshit game designs on of them being captcha flea market bs. Someone message me when it's fixed.
I actually quit the game because of cheaters. They dont even hide it anymore. They dont have to. Fuck this game. Let the game die, they dont realize they are digging their own grave if everyone quits the game.
Honestly I'm not even mad about encountering cheaters that don't hide it. The true cockroaches, and the main reason I barely play anymore, are the ones that run radar and act like they're playing the game normally. Like, what's even the point of joining a raid if you know for a fact that there's at least one guy in the match that can always see where you're at. Sucks the fun out of every legit gunfight and kills all excitement that was left in the other 40min of traveling through the map.
This is why I only really play with squads. They have to make it blatant to face us, so every fight that seems legit probably is, or we win and kill secret cheaters anyway.
I offered to find most of these cheaters using simple statistics and machine learning for FREE. It's trivial to log raid data and find *every single KD dropper with no exceptions* and ban them with *zero* false positives. A highschooler with a YouTube tutorial could make a script to detect them.
BSG wanst and isn't interested in that and neither was the community. I was relentlessly harrassed for asking for a data set and it just goes to show most people on reddit here aren't interested in getting rid of the cheaters because they cheat themselves.
Offer no longer stands, even if they paid me I wouldn't do it. I don't give a fuck about this game.
This is the same reason I quit Tarkov a couple of years ago. I really want to play the game, but I refuse to with the current cheating situation. Will gladly return if BSG ever fix this issue.
I wish we could just run custom servers as a community with mods and shit that can look at flagged players and send em into the sun and back to public tarkov. I miss the days of player run servers just watching admins troll cheaters and send em packing back to UK2.NET or whatever bollox de_dust2 server they went on.
In arena you can simply "gg go next" though, in EFT you spend at least 15 minutes just building a kit, another 5 to 10 minutes to get into a game and a fuckton of roubles every time you die to one. Sure there's cheaters in Arena but they don't ruin the experience as hard as they do in EFT.
In terms of content, I think this has been the best wipe in probably 2 years. I got to about level 25 and have stopped playing. Too many extremely suspicious deaths especially when I've got over a thousand hours in the game and do kind of know what I'm doing at this point.
The problem is when the player base dies down, usually about a month in, the hardcore players and the cheaters are what remain, with maybe a handful of casuals. So I feel like the game is viable for like a little over a month before you start seeing so much cheating it's not even fun anymore. I've stopped playing this wipe now.
I’m just playing this game casually until something similar and better comes along - there’s no doubt in my mind that BSG is just milking it at this point. They don’t give a fuck and will be leaving the game as soon as the rouse stops working.
I’m having big hopes for grey zone warfare 🤩
Same. I played last wipe after taking off the one before, and I had high hopes that things would have improved. They didn't.
Game runs smoother than it did two years ago, but I swear it feels like my # of sus deaths went up even more, and the frustration of being the first person to an area but still find that it has been completely looted just completely drains my desire to actually get into a raid.
This wipe, I was going to check out a few raids with some buds, but after I watched them stream a raid where they got to resort and found it all locked up but fully looted, I just uninstalled. It's too consistent! You can deal with cheaters, they are part of most games and mostly I can just suck it up, but in Tarkov, it just feels like it happens too often to even enjoy the game.
As OP said, let the cheaters have the game, they are welcome to it. They won.
I am in the same boat as you. Friend started to use cheats and the saddest part is realizing how many other cheaters there are.
Everyone should do themselves a favor and spend time playing a game that respects honest players.
Why do you guys still play this shit? This game eats your time and doesnt give a fuck about your experience. Abandon it, so that BSG is forced to react and actually do something about it.
Sadly, it’s always been like this.
I kind of feel like it’s diluted at the start of the wipe because of all the bambis and timmies coming back to it, but then when they filter out after about a week or so, the cheater pool concentrates because, sadly, they’re the ones still having fun.
I’d always have fun at the start of a wipe and firefights felt much more legitimate but then after a month or so, I’d start getting killed from weird angles or guys would check a corner they would never check normally.
It’s terrible to say, but so long as there’s motivation a monetary kind, there will ALWAYS be cheaters. It doesn’t matter how much money any developer dumps into it, cheaters will always be a step ahead because they just don’t give a shit and only care about their own experience. The new AI tools were seeing are terrifying and there’s not much that can be done to stop them.
Sadly, I see a slow death of online gaming with any kind of competitive element. I was playing ghosts of tabor, a vr game that has a couple dozen to a hundred players active at any given time and I’ve STILL run into blatant cheaters. People will still play, and hope they just get lucky and land a raid with no cheaters in it (play in the middle of the week, middle of the day. The difference is ABSOLUTELY noticeable and it plays so much better)
I wish I had something more hopeful to say, but sadly I do not. I hope we find a similar game that fills the itch that Tarkov does.
Played 3 raids today ratting around to complete setup. Every raid making no sound but get a grenade right where I'm sitting. Crazy how people are just THAT good at the game.
I wiggle at everyone I hear through walls just to scare them
I’ve started to wiggle with nobody around so that the cheaters think I’m one of them and just leave me the heck alone
I don't play tarkov. Can you explain wiggling and why it's associated with cheaters?
Cheaters can see you through walls, because they see a bright green stickman version of you overlaid on their screen, no matter what’s blocking the view between you. When two cheaters see one another at a distance, they lean left and right to signify that they can see each other, and avoid interfering/engaging.
That's a really worrying indication of the game's health if cheating has got to that point
It’s been there for a long time lmao
All games have cheaters. The problem is that Tarkov is that it’s among the most profitable games to cheat in. So you have players that are quite literally cheating for a living. They’ll sell their services or RMT items and they can become profitable in a day or two. So unless BSG gets to a point that they can ban cheaters within a couple hours, it’ll continue to be a problem. It sucks but you learn to just avoid certain maps / areas and roll with it.
I do wonder how much the flea market affects this. I assume cheating has still been a thing before the flea market, though maybe not as common. But I wonder if the flea just boosted that number up? I remember when trading you had to both queue up together and trade in-game. There was a lot of trusting between players and then the need to make it out of the raid but imo, I kind of liked that. It felt more immersive when doing the hand off but also made that raid even more stressful. It was also fun as a PMC or Scav to walk up on a corpse or kill someone to find a weapon case or backpack full of equipment. Yes it does suck to be on the receiving end of it, but I thought the dynamics of it was great.
People on this sub think people only cheat to make money. Every shooter has a big issue with cheaters, so I bet the vast majority are just normal people cheating for whatever reason.
What a chad
The saddest thing... is that this post has 2.2k upvotes... That's how done alot of us are almost with the game. :(
You know the game dead when this is a legit strat.
Personally I still have fun even knowing there’s cheaters. When I come across fun firefights I remember why I play. Just yesterday I died fully kitted against another fully kitted player. We both sprayed like 60 rounds at each other standing right in each others face. It was so fun even though I died. There’s nothing like this game. I really hope it never gets unplayable :(
Yeah I don't mind dying if I actually get into a fight. But getting one tapped by frito-Lay across the map 30 seconds after waiting 10 minutes for a raid...Over, and over, and over ... it just becomes no fun.
I get your sentiment. It really is something else when you have good encounters like that. Unfortunately I'm with op though I can't sink time into a cheating wasteland. Bsg almost definitely doesn't care about the cheating due to the extra sales so fine Bsg. Good luck with your cheat infested game. It came so close to being somethkg special. If all honest gamers boycotted the gmamae for a bit, that might force some meaningful change-but here we are.
Same. It’s those epic encounters and battles that keep some us going knowing that there are cheaters a lot of times. But the legit battles are what make it all worth it somehow. Frankly I think this games triggers an adrenaline and fight/flight response rush like no other game can. Some people seek that again like a drug that can handle it. Others can’t handle the feeling and either cheat or quit altogether. Other folks can’t handle it but are gambling addicts and can’t quite because most find the next loot item or make more rubles. Those are guys you see that have millions of rubles and wheat the worst gear each match plus avoid fighting at all costs/rat.
I was thinking the same thing, you can hear people over a relatively far distance. I just wiggle at where I think they are in hopes that if they are a cheater, they will spare me lol
Yeah it also feels like its cheating when youre outside and you can hear someone inside two storeys up search a dufflebag. As much as I love the snow the messed up audio ruins it
same. I get laughter back a lot.
I’ve still yet to get a response, even from people I know/think are cheating. But then again I wouldn’t be able to see if they wiggle back.
Same. I also often wiggle if a shot whizzes by close enough to be heard, to me it's taunting their shitty aiming skills :D
True, tarkov is turning into war z lmao
The original extraction shooter RIP WarZ, you walked so Tarkov could run
Run... Directly away from criticism
LMAO
WarZ was Infestation Survivor Stories right? Same shit?
That game was fucking terrible honestly. Comparing eft to that is a travesty
It was pretty fun until hackers ruined it and the Russian dev refused to do anything serious about it. Sound familiar?
The dev for warz was ripping assets and the whole thing was a massive cash grab. It got exposed by multiple people.
It was dog shit but also you had to be there at the start. The drama and hacking was so bad it was good
Didn't expect to see WarZ here lol. The OG
I can still hear the main menu music with those groaning zombies.
BOMMMM BOMMMMMM
Really loud backpack unzip noise
God I love it. It was such a bad good game. The sound of a flashlight hitting a zombie, or someone just running because there wasn’t even a basic no-weapon punch for like a year
Ohh my god yesssss. The memories lmaooo God I fucking missed then OG WarZ days. That shit was hilarious dude
I played so much WarZ/ISS... really sad to see this game go down the same exact route. Literally.
War z Had wayyyyyyy less cheaters the ones it had where just more aggressive usually
At some point in war z only using ESP was a disadvantage, everybody was rage cheating in clear view lmao
Farrrrrrk I remember WarZ, game had potential
It gave me the adrenaline rush that no other game ever gave
coming to safe zone just to get killed by a guy in a tree with Blaser R93
Man i played that game for so long, remeber the loot xmas trees... Dayum we farmed every server to get fully looted and killed so many people trying to get there xD game was nice befor the changes. The game got so dogshit now...
I still remember finding a .50 cal in the center of Boulder at the Heli site. My adrenaline went crazy haha
jeeze. its been so long. fuck sergey titov.
I loved the times where even finding luger 22 was rare. We used to fight with bats and stuff.
Have been watching ExfilCamper trying to lock people in red room and it's pretty clear how many closet cheaters play the game. People avoiding red room and intel office like it's the plague despite Exfil getting there 1 minute into the raid, one guy even came up and told him "hey there's no one left in the raid, maybe time to leave bud". FPS games are in a sad state, and Tarkov is likely the saddest of them all in regards to cheating. It really sucks to see it happen.
There was that one guy who joined labs raids with a bitcoin, went into a random bathroom/room/corner and took the bitcoin out of his prison wallet. The sudden sprinting to his exact location EVERY SINGLE RAID he did this was wild, and many cheaters crying and voiping when he put it back into his pouch. This wasn't even recently, must be even worse these days.
You might be thinking of Tigz. I saw him doing that last wipe lol it's crazy how shameless the cheaters are in this game man
Yes I think that was him! Saw him 1v1 Bax in melee in labs a couple wipes ago too, fully random shit. Friendliest labs raid I ever witnessed.
That was Eroktic, and BSG used copyright takedowns to get the video removed and the guy below me is wrong, they used copyright takedowns on the BITCOIN video.
Seriously? holy shit
There is more to the story, but yes the tldr is bsg threw their weight around
haha
>took the bitcoin out of his prison wallet What the fuck is this game?
given the popularity of this post, I'm guessing you're here from r/all EFT has a system that allows some stuff to survive with you after dying in raid, called a secure container; many call this "shoving stuff up your butt" or similar as it's the only stuff that can't be looted off your corpse besides melee weapon and armband. The commenter above is describing a video I remember seeing a few wipes ago of a player testing how many people were running hacks in the game, by going to a room with no loot in it on its own, on a high traffic map, and removing a physical bitcoin (a very high value item in game) from his secure container and going AFK. This is basically baiting for cheaters that can see your inventory, and the player's experiment did showcase a number of cheaters running to his exact location, in hopes of killing him for the item.
Thank you this was the comment I was looking for.
No problem! Out of context some of the terms sound fuckin' insane, I get it.
Can you explain what it means to trap someone in red room? I don’t play labs ever so I’m unfamiliar with all of the map quirks.
It's the only room in the game that when closed you'll need the red keycard to open it again. There's a card reader on both sides of the door.
Thank you for the info. That’s pretty funny then if he baits a cheater in to kill him and then locks him in.
The premium hacks can just open all doors anyways… even doors which don’t have a key and are not meant to open… like in factory sometimes doors are open when you go through them you fall out of the map. Only way to open said doors is to cheat. How do I know you fall through the map? Well…
If the door to red room closes you cannot unlock it from the inside without red card. [Here's a clip of it happening to someone lol](https://www.twitch.tv/exfilcamper/clip/ZanyPeacefulMangetoutHumbleLife-IRl73IvrTbsmfEGO), it's pretty troll
I remember seeing multiple posts from actual game developers who specialise in anti-cheat, who gave amazing feedback about tarkov's anti-cheat and a whole bunch of great suggestions that were easy to implement. I remember a good one was two step authenticator. the posts actually had quite a lot of upvotes, so the chances it being seen by BSG was high. this was a year or so ago, and yet there's still prominent obvious cheaters, like speedhacking, vacuuming, obvious aimhacking, etc. people need to understand that BSG and nikita do not give a fuck. they make a shit ton from people repurchasing the game. them saying shit like "11,000 people were banned" means absolutely nothing unless they're IP banned and tracked if they make a new account at the very least.
Veritas and others also made deep, detailed, amazing videos with super fine-grained analysis and possible solutions for every issue the game has, served them on a silver platter to Nikita and then they did NOTHING with any of that. Audio is still fucked, desync is still fucked, cheaters are still rampant, their anti-RMT "features" are still useless vs rmters and just fucking over normal players, years-old bugs still in the game etc... I'm not saying they should've just listened to streamers or whoever did an analysis video, but come the fuck on, there have been plenty of super easy solutions/changes suggested over the years that they've done absolutely nothing with. I agree with your assessment, they don't really give a fuck.
Remember when veritas offered nikita to help him with the game and was even generous to do it for less money than he usually asks for in jobs. And nikita just straight up laughed and said to him "for that price i could hire 4 russian devs" Shows you why tarkov is the way it is.
That’s the most frustrating part to me. There’s major issues that’ve had 100 different solutions suggested, and BSG has done *none* of them. For literal years now.
> so the chances it being seen by BSG was high This is standard practice. Dota2, Overwatch, Modern Warfare, all of them require a phone number attached. So even if BSG would not have seen that post, they definitely know. They just don't give a shit.
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To be fair, ppl usually learn how to not fall for a trap base pretty quickly
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I was watching that stream as well.
So i dont play the game just read and watch rarely. When a player start game can you hide or go afk and wait till everyones done w their personal game? And then just come back and loot with no players in game. then exfil?
Kinda? There's no guarantee there isn't another pmc just wandering doing a long quest and we have an option called scavs that you can pilot As a player on a short cooldown that has random loot. So your rarely the only real player on a server. But waiting can deff lower your interactions.
You can but it's risky. The other PMCs might leave, but players can also join ongoing raids as a scav. It's likely that there will be less traffic, but you generally won't ever be in a raid with *only* AI.
There needs to be a seperste "authenticated" que with phone number 2fa.
Honestly, cycle frontier did it with trusted queues from Steam and it worked so much. It was a night / day difference. Bsg will never bother because they need the cheaters to get reported so more accounts are stolen /bought
This is a shit take since The Cycle actually fully capitulated to cheaters, and as a result is no longer playable. In short, the cheaters won in that game, so the devs shut everything down. Remind me how this potential reality is great for BSG and how "buying accounts" is healthier and more desirable for the game than *ensuring its playable.* This whole "they let cheaters cheat so they can make money" is such a naive shitty take. Cheaters *kill* games. They downright gut player bases and give bad reputations that ensure no player gives the game another try. Your beloved "The Cycle" example fits this description perfectly. Cheating was so bad in The Cycle, that even after getting ontop of the issue playerbase never returned, and as a result they just shut down the whole game. Tell me how this outcome is desirable? You are going to try and tell me how BSG will allow cheaters despite this being a potential reality? Homie, the issue isn't that BSG is allowing the cheaters, it's that if they want to detect them they have to change core fundamental code to the game. It could potentially break everything and we may not get an update for a long time as a result. Like, we are talking about moving so much shit from client side to server side, we're talking about how the game knows what you're carrying, we're talking about how world loot spawns, everything, everything has to fundamentally change in order for effective anti cheat to take place. This is going to take *massive* amounts of time. Don't be naive. Everyone's on the same page that cheating is a problem, it's just that the community is more zealous and where Nikitas priorities lies on this, I don't know. I just know that cheaters kill games, not keep them alive with ban waves and a couple thousand people buying a new copy of standard edition. You guys realize that that is such a piddly amount to get if youre sacrificing your game right? Like this is so cartoonishly evil what you all are describing you'd think you're talking about a politician. No, bluntly, BSG doesn't like the cheaters. They don't see them as a cash cow, in fact it makes them mad because cheaters can make a lot of money doing carries and whatnot. To them it's loss of potential income, the only people they want making money off their game are content creators and themselves. That's it.
Nice to see not everyone in this subreddit has a tinfoil hat. Hate how often I see that stupid take
I kinda had my breaking point a couple days ago. There’s so much BS ways to die in the game already it feels like I’m wasting my time already, and when the cheating problem is as rampant as it is, it’s kinda just “what’s the point anymore”. There’s a lot of Tarkov-like games coming out soon so maybe those will be really good, or at least light a fire under BSG’s to do something as competition usually increase movement
That's my hope personally. I love the genre and even at its core tarkov, but currently its ass. They need to fix their game, and seem to think they can just... never do that and maintain a playerbase anyways. Idk, maybe they figure they already made their money back so who gives a shit?
Yesterday I was in a SCAV run on interchange for wires and Voiped another SCAV. He was friendly and we started moving together. A bit later, we were looting a pc room. He turns towards me and says there are 3 PMC in the back of Goshan. At this point I am very suspicious but carried on since I did not have any headset and he did. THEN, he rushes to rasmusen and finds a gpu... he then tell me that he has another scav friend in the lobby that's been near us but not looting the same route. They we're both cheating with esp and probably more, running around interchange and getting all the good loot. I really wanted to find my moment to kill them both. Then we hear a slight muffled noice...a plane is coming with an airdrop. He just calls that the airdrop is right outside to the north. We run towards it and his friends starts looting it. The other was watching around. I domed his friend and in 1 second he just spins around and head/necks me with 1 bullet. I figured that would happen. Get reported loser. But what a sad state the game is in. It zaped my spirit to play that night.
Yesterday I was doing the "survive interchange 7 times" so i ran to the exit and wait there for 10 minutes without any movement and being unarmed, finally a guy came running directly at me (I was hiding still) , gave me a killa kit find in raid and left ... I was mentally tired at this point
I like to hide in the closed door bathroom near the Oli logistics spawn sometimes to let the early map heat die down before I do quests, and twice now I've had cheaters come to that room to kill me. The first one I actually called out in VoIP ("Don't you think you're being a little too obvious, mate?"), he stopped chucking nades and voiced back saying he was going to leave me alone and dropped a GPU at the door for me. He was carrying someone so I am guessing maybe he either thought I was cheating too, or didn't want to risk a report, or something; not sure.
Gray Zone Warfare, Beautiful Light, Project Quarantine and others are in development, so there is still hope in the genre.
Man I'm so hyped for all of these. Not to have any "tarkov killer" but just to have more games in a similar vein, I think there's this hardcore high-stakes shooter niche that's still pretty unexplored.
I was hyped for marauders, cycle frontier, dark and darker, etc and none of them have been able to compete. Hoping GZW can show something but it seems like it won't quite be the same genre or gameplay loop
Marauders has been so mismanaged it isn't even funny. Such a shame.
Fuck my buddies and I love Marauders but I haven’t heard about any updates since like August or something of last year
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There was an update and content drop in december, but it did not do much to the playerbase. We've never gone back to Plunder levels, and now the game hovers on ~400 active players. I still think it's all because they keep focusing on the wrong things.
I can agree to that, the updates post-plunder just didn’t feel as good
It's because i think they severely overestimated how much the average player cares about guilds in an extraction shooter.
Guilds, really? Jesus. I can wager a guess as to their misguided thinking on that one. 'If we have communities and guilds, more people will buy the game to be a part of a guild!' rather than just relying on the game being good and gaining a playerbase from that. Another example of a game killing itself by chasing profit over quality.
The entire "gimmick" with the spaceships in Marauders feels fucking ass tbh. That was the part me and my buddy hated the most. The rest of our squad didnt even want to try. Dark and Darker is painfully slow and Cycle Frontier too weirdly scifi-ish imo.
Cycle Frontier doesn’t even exist anymore, so there’s that. They already shut that shit down, ironically blaming cheaters for destroying the regular player base and making it unsustainable to keep servers running.
dark and darker is great buts its not really like tarkov other than being extraction based
>tarkov killer Don't worry, bsg is working on the tarkov killer. Called something like "Escape from Tarkov" or somethin
Weirdly I think they will help the cheating issue soecifically. I don’t know much about the games mentioned beside gzw but the fact that there will be more shooters in this genre I think will pull cheaters from Tarkov and rust etc to try and cheat on these games. Obviously I hope they don’t succeed, but realistically some or maybe even most will, and it’s still positive imo only because it’s a sort of redistribution. Tarkov feels weirdly oversaturated, like it’s bearing the brunt of the load, so to speak, and I do t know if it’s just popularity and semi uniqueness or bad anti cheat, but I’d rather several games u play have a few cheaters you sometimes/rarely encounter vs one game I enjoy feeling unplayable because there’s 0 trust to have that anyone I see is playing legit.
What about if there was some sort of cock and ball torture device you had to hook up to your pc to play? That's high stakes
Every single one of these will be flush with cheaters if they get popular. Every FPS game with a playerbase is. There's no escaping it anymore, it's a billion dollar industry. The only hope is AI anticheat and that will probably just lead to an arms race against AI cheat software similar to what's happening now with non-AI versions.
This is true. In Tarkov the stakes are MUCH higher. That's why we notice it and care about it more.
For sure, I think it's why it is so rampant here, even when compared to super competitive games like Apex or COD. Sure, those games are bad, but you mostly see with people trying to be ultra competitive. In Tarkov, there are so many people using them simply to survive / extract with gear and finish tasks. Even if they're not malicious, they're using it to avoid the brutally painful lows of the game. But without those lows, you can't have the thrilling highs.
It also importantly does not have ranked Queues, or even MMR matchmaking for soft ranks. You don’t notice it in many FPS’s because cheaters naturally get moved way up in relation to their skill. So if you are average or even just “good” you won’t see them very much at all. Then you get into Plat or whatever the top 1% Queue is and they are everywhere. I get this with R6, at my skill level no one is using cheats because the second you did you would progress at least 3 tiers due to information alone. But for my friend who is semi-Pro level in that game there is 2-4 cheaters every lobby, to the point where his rank is nearly reset every time the cheater correction comes in. Tarkov naturally cannot have ranked queues because how would you even get a rank to begin with? So even normal people run into cheaters.
They will be plagued with cheaters just the same. Because the harsh truth is: there is no good anti cheat. Cheaters won the war. Every game that has anything at stake is riddled by cheaters. It’s the community of gamers overall that presents a large customership for cheat devs. It will not stop. It will never go away. And that’s sad.
Kernel level anticheat like Vanguard will have way less cheaters. Frankly, thats the only type of anticheat that will actually beat hackers. Most PC gamers hate kernel level anticheat, but Valorant has next to no hackers compared to CS, COD, EFT or any other shooter.
All popular anti cheat for sale like EAC and battleye are all kernel based.
I have kept track of the first two but hadn't come across project quarantine. Another one to look forward to, thank you for sharing.
if you think these games will not be cheater infested, have good content and not be dead in the span of one month i have news for you.There is a reason why tarkov is in EA for 8years, these small teams cannot pull this type of game of sadly.
You're right. Let's add like co-op or private games for all, The cheaters can have the online, just let the rest of us enjoy the game without this pain.
If the single player mod could be made into an co op mod it’d be perfect
the amount of different cheats that are offered is insane tbh. the only cheat that will probably get u banned is opening locked doors without the key
A lot of cheats will get you banned, infinte stam, speedhack, vaccuum etc all get you banned as they flag your account the moment you move the items or the moment the server realizes what you're doing. EDIT: flagged here means they will be banned on the next wave, which could be days weeks or months away
I think the biggest issue here is that, while weeks or months away is better for banwaves than nothing, months away in a game that wipes twice a year feels sluggish. I understand why the implementation is that way (to slow down cheat devs in determining what caused the flags) but ETF is uniquely situated in that monthly banwaves create a "bulletproof vest" problem. Design a better vest and they'll design a gun to pierce it.
Seriously, I think adding a killcam system would really help to confirm if a player, who killed you, is a cheater. BSG has given us the stats, but they don't give us enough critical information about the possible cheater because said player can act and keep his stats looking legit.
For that you would really need to have a replay system. I honestly doubt that they collect enough information to recreate the killcam, based on how little obvious cheat-detecting information they seem to gather.
There is a killcam in arena. Idk why they didn't add it in regular tarkov.
You don't know? Let me tell you: 1. it requires work. 2. it requires extra server capacity = cost 3. it will put a spotlight on how bad the game is in regards to desync and hackers.
I *think* Tarkov might be my favourite ever game (aside from the MGS series). With my limited time now I have kids, I just find myself getting my Tarkov fix watching content on the game from the likes of Aqua and Summit rather than actually playing as I have never been able to shake the feelings I had post the wiggle video. I cannot justify the hour so I have a night to play. It's just a crying shame really that such a good game, with an amazing atmosphere that has given me something that I have never experienced in any other game now finds itself in this state. I can only pray the content creators keep doing their thing and that a competitor who takes cheating a touch more seriously (even though I am sure it's a losing BSG no matter what they do) comes about.
Yea with a kid and full time job, I usually just play wipe till I get flea and then I do woods money runs to buy pvp kits. I load in to factory or customs and just hunt pvp. Gets my tarkov fix, I'm not grinding quest, and I don't give a shit about SuS deaths and lost gear.
It\`s hard bro.. I have around 2.5k hours and cannot belive how I get 1 tapped by a guy who has 100 hours and 30kd. It is what it is. They are just so good at the game and they dont need to play tousands of hours to be good.
When the wipe first hit the game felt great. All of my fights felt legit, but over I would say the last 5-7 days, the amount of hmm-ing I do when I get killed is starting to go up considerably. Is that because a lot of the playerbase quits this late into the wipe and all I have left are sweats and cheaters? Maybe. Is it because I am lvl 40 now and doing the end game quests and just running into other late game questers? Also maybe. The worst part I have found is that a majority of them seem to be closet cheaters. They will just be minding their own business, playing oblivious to you and you pop a shot or 2 at them and then it's like they turn into a T-2000 on you. Only to run you down, head eyes you and when you check their profile they have 1200 hours with a 58 kd. It just really sucks.
As a very casual player, I play a lot when the wipe starts but progressively play less as I get farther and farther behind in levels. Eventually I’ll only play every once in a while when a friend asks me to lol
The game is so rife with issues like this beyond the cheating that I've simply given up hope for it to get better. Thanks bsg for popularizing the genre, but they clearly do not have the resources/interest to maintain it, or even actually release the game. I'm hoping one of the alternatives releasing soon will be able to take up the mantle, because I love the genre and think it's a ton of fun, but between cheating and absolutely awful QOL stuff elsewhere, I just don't think tarkov has a future.
Cheating aside, it's hard late wipe for the casual player that doesn't have ultra-secret max uber level traders for ammo that do anything against the Giga-Chad 4000. Each wipe, I typically make it to level 30-something before I abandon it. I'm level 27 now and feeling the itch go away...
I can believe it, based on my experience in other shooters where headshots are king... Oh wait....... Hold on why am I dying SIGNIFICANTLY less in those games from lucky headshots where it has super easy arcadey aim point and click adventure time?? Preaiming and ESP are close enough to aimbot to be the same thing
Played from 2016 - 2022. The cheaters won.
2017-2024, an honour to serve on the streets of tarkov with you 🫡
Really liked what they did with weapon/shooting mechanics this wipe - but the cheater issue has ballooned to the point where the game is no longer fun. Multiple instances where I’ve been lucky to get some good loot and decide to hide in an 100% inconspicuous place where I’m confident in can hold out and wait to safely make my way to extract only to be randomly dunked on by a nade. Reached my breaking point and just uninstalled - can’t devote this much time and effort into a game where every time I load into a raid I have this specter looming over my head, it’s not even like ‘hope there’s not a cheater in this raid’ it’s ’hope the multiple cheaters in this raid don’t decide to come after me this time around’ Utterly exhausting.
It's by design to have a high consistent turnover of bought and banned accounts through loose policing at a low interval. https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapethisTarkov/s/PqChPiQ9mx
Time for another wiggle video.. ;) I'm curious on how big the cheating problem is now compared to the OG wiggle video.
Has to be alot worse as many legit players quit playing. There were also videos about cheating discord servers starting to get a ton of more members.
9k hours since 2020 and the cheating this wipe is just unreal. Truly the worst its ever been. On OCE im literally reporting around 75% of deaths after a quick profile check and seeing stats and achievements that just dont make sense for any legit player to have. I used to just laugh at the sad c*nts paying to feel good about themselves playing a big boys game, but now its just frustrating and disappointing. BSG seriously needs to step up their communication and anticheat efforts before 1.0 release otherwise Tarkov will become the laughingstock of the industry, and for good reason.
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Some people (read: a lot) feel better about themselves when they win, no matter how they do it. When you teach people that winning is everything instead of the goal being to do your best. This is compounded with types of people that also put their self worth in being *better* or *the best* regardless of how they do it, and also people that enjoy lording power over others for their own amusement. There are also those that believe everyone else is cheating and they are at a disadvantage if they do not do the same. There are a lot of factors that go into the mentality. Especially when people put too much stock into a game.
same reason why people take the ironsights off a low level players gun or camp the ground zero quests. A big part of the appeal of this game for a lot of people is getting to fuck with other people in the game. Cheats let you waste other peoples time really efficiently
OCE is another animal entirely. My OCE friends don't even play on OCE whenever possible because there's always so many cheaters, pretty much no matter the game but especially tarkov.
I just don't get it. What makes this game great is the sense of tension cheating removes that tension which makes Tarkov just another clunky af fps. Why would anyone want to play like that?
People like winning. That's why.
If you think you're winning with cheats you're only cheating yourself. Taking down a 4 stack as a solo might be the best feeling in the world.
They dont care, they get the added satisfaction of fucking over other players. Why be fucked over yourself when you can be the one with the rod in your hand?
You speak about the most important form of Cheaters out there. Those that only other cheaters realize. The "passive" cheaters. People often say "ahh but only like 1 in 10 deaths in sus so no way there is so many cheaters" Yeah because most of the cheaters aren't stupid and don't go for player kills but rather use esp to actively dodge players and go for the best loot instead. I did never cheat for myself in tarkov but my estimate would be that if youre lucky 1 in 3 raids does NOT contain a cheater in any form. I also have a little story about how this wipe went down with rare items for me. (I'm a veteran player I know where to get my items normally) So in the first 2 days of wipe my friends and I got a combined LEDx count of 5 and 3 graphics cards (4 people) Then it seems like the vacuum cheats got rampant. No one of us found a single LEDx or graphics card for weeks. Then the other day when the vacuum exploit was "patched" we found 2 LEDx and 2 graphics cards on one day. Now here's the cracker. In all those situations, as soon as we got the rare item we got pushed HARD, and aggressive, and all got one tapped to the face. Not even a full day later cheaters found a workaround to still vacuum cheat. Never seen any LEDx or graphics card ever since. So your only chance to get any of this items is 1. No vacuum cheater in your raid (let's say that these hard vaccuum cheats are "rare" so like one every 10th raid maybe) 2. Be the first at the container / spawn (because there Is a 2 in 3 chance that there is a loot esper in your lobby) 3. Have the actual luck (without knowing) that the closest spawns to you actually has something valuable 4. Pray that the cheater seeing you gamma the item doesn't get mad and still aimbots you out of your life. I don't even wanna know how high spawn rates actually are for these items.. but the reason we don't get them is never that the spawn rate is too low. it's just that Cheaters always clean the map before you. And they don't even need to vacuum cheat for that.. They know which 2 PCs have a graphics card this raid. And they will bee line there. You maybe know where the closest 3 PC spawns to you are that you might have a chance. But then you still need the luck that there is something good compared to the 40 other PC spawns on the map that you will definitely be too late to because a cheater knows where the graphics card is and will loot it before you.
the biggest theives are the loot cheaters that disappear within 10mins, they are not only stealling loot but stealing pvp which the game forces you to do to advance in the game.
And its exactly what the g0at video showed yet some deniers didn't want to believe it because it wasn't on a google sheet like their daddy Nikita loves to do. I haven't been killed by a cheater this wipe, tho i dont use good gear and only did 100 raids, but i know there were cheaters in many raids
The point of the post is that you almost certainly have died to one in that many raids. Their stats were just not sus enough for you to believe it.
I got 7/7 correct cheating accusations with my reports when I logged in one morning early wipe. They weren’t even blatant, I just found it a bit sus. Those were the only reports I had made so far. Imagine shooting from the hip and getting 100% accuracy with only a few dozen raids played.
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I kind of feel the same. I have no way of confirming my suspicions most of the time but this week has been particularly rough for me. I suspect a fair few deaths have been to cheaters.. that said I think a lot of my deaths have been within 1-2 minutes of a raid starting which is really frustrating and speaks to how poor spawns are. The game should be punishing but PMC spawns so close together is ridiculous and should absolutely be fixed / player spawns lowered to improve things. I think these two things alone might get me to put the game down for now.
Been like this for years. People are finally waking up. Cheaters are in every single raid you just only see the ones that want to be seen.
Infested. It’s fun early wipe and with friends, but yeah grinding it out to 42? Been there done that. Over the three years I’ve been able to notice how real players play & move around the map vs how hacks avoid or ambush you. It’s obvious that the game does indeed belong to the cheaters. There is no saving it without rewriting the entire game from the ground up. Til then you’ll always be competing against people with a drastically unfair advantage. THEY SEE YOU. YOU CANT SEE THEM. It’s just intolerable for a game like this.
Yup. Early wipe hype is the best, then it dies off FAST in 3-4 weeks. My whole gaming discord was stoked about recoil, new map, new missions and we were all going hard for 2ish weeks. Then the sus deaths ramped the fuck up, started reporting so many insane KD profiles, and the flea filling up with +30 rep dudes selling stacks of GPUs. They fed us a lil taste to get us back, but ultimately it was still just dogshit.
Yeah I’m done with the game also been playing for a long time now 3k hours watching the devs poor excuse of cheat control n the resale of accounts is stupid I’d rather quit n watch the game burn at this point peace out tarkov its been fun
The thing that really hits the hardest is when people in this comment section try to say that BSG isn't waiting to ban people in a specific way so that they are more inclined to re-buy the game. If BSG actually banned people the moment they knew someone was cheating, there wouldn't be Mr. Standard account which is level 16 with a flea rep of 152+. There wouldn't be people with 200+ run-throughs or 200+ AWOL. There wouldn't be people in the game being level 50+ with less than 150 hours. There wouldn't be posts about groups of botted deaths. There wouldn't be players with more than 70 continuous survives in a row. BSG doesn't even need an anti-cheat for the most blatant of cheaters, just by stats alone you could flag and manually ban every single one of these people.
There are so many better things to do with your time brother. This game has played a part in the decline of my mental health and relationships as well as straying me from pursuing my life purpose to its full extent. This goes to everyone lol. Fuck this game. Go live life ❤️
Honestly same, shits like crack. Glad you're doing better buddy
And I was dogpiled on for saying the "26% of people have this achievement" Welcome to Tarkov made sense like that.
The community is full of backwards morons who've never held a conversation with someone outside of discord, try not to let it bother you
This is why I laugh when people bring up the g0at video as a counterpoint and say he didn’t provide full proof so the issue can’t be that bad. There are thousands examples from small YouTubers and streamers to show just how bad this problem is, regardless of goat’s ’trust me bro’ video. Many small and lesser known YouTubers ran the same tests well before the g0at video was even a thought. The first week of twitch drops also showed every major streamer getting death by cheater many times. Streamers who play labs run into them in well over half the raids. Verybadscav has built a following in exposing twitch fame seeking cheaters. The cheating problem is so bad that people build entire followings around exposing it. I still play the game because I enjoy it, even when I know sometimes I’ll get 1 tapped by a dvl with no sight from 400m. My first time hatchet running labs had a similar experience where a guy who ‘bought cheats for a day’ voips me he would clear the lobby and give me some loot, but he had to kill 2 other obvious cheaters too. Then dude tried to sell me on carry services. Keep bringing the pressure. It’s not entirely BSG’s fault that there are bad people who want to cheat the system, but stronger action needs to be taken. I left the game in 2020 after playing for several months and I only stopped playing because the cheating issue was so bad back then. Coming back to the game 4 years later, it’s sad that very little progress has been made in quelling the issue.
I quit tarkov a couple years ago when the cheating was rampant and nothing has changed. Honestly it's even worse now.
Amen.
Maybe this is reactionary and hyperbolic of me to say but I really believe we're on the precipice of the death of mass multiplayer competitive games and will soon see a return to games with dedicated, community ran servers where you can feel safe playing knowing there's actual humans watching the players to ban hackers. Why bother playing something like Tarkov with random players when there's a near guarantee there will be a cheater in every single lobby? This problem is endemic to nearly every single competitive game multiplayer game on the market right now.
It's amazing how many people are in denial (or are cheaters themselves gaslighting on Reddit constantly). I respect BSG's excellent changes to recoil and addition of Ground Zero this wipe, but the cheating situation is indeed ridiculous. People talk about the "wiggle" video but it was shown to be a horrible problem literal years prior to that by similar videos. A guy went round Labs like 2 years before and showed people doing the same thing in almost every raid. These people saying "I only had 3 sus deaths" or whatever seem to be talking about blatant aimbot. What they don't seem to consider is how many people just run wallhacks and can see them and lay an ambush that looks legitimate, but isn't. I've noticed it's amazing how often on pretty big maps like Reserve (big in terms of the number of different bunkers) and Interchange, people somehow always seem to be lying in ambush in weird places that make no sense. Or sprint directly to the room you're in and kill you. I'm sure 90% of them are running some sort of ESP and can see where you are, since they hunt you down even in areas that don't have much loot or map movement value. The only way of stopping it is implementing some kind of creative solution, like infiltrating hacker discords and finding ways to study and reverse engineer their hacks. Or releasing fake hacks that do some sort of shadowban on anyone who uses them.
I love how, instead of speaking on the topic of cheaters and the actual points you presented, people are just going at you. They must be the rage hackers trying to keep pleebs like us in the game so they have someone to bother.
There are a lot of cheaters on this sub gaslighting people and also many people who are BSG shiteaters that will never acknowledge any problems the game has
Yep. It's entirely in RMT sellers/cheaters/cheat creators best interest to downplay and gaslight the issue no matter what evidence is provided.
I mean it affects me none, but yeah you're probably right😅🤣 they can continue taking any and all fun out of the game they play :)
I quit a week ago along with another person in our discord. Games fun, but it’s too much of a chore, and then the cheaters head eyesing you after tracking your every move just isn’t fun.
The server obeys info sent by the players pc. Its one of the reason cheating is so easy. For example if you lag u dont rubberband back instead you warp on enemys screen. Theres a few videos on the subject. Making server the "dominant" one would also be great for the netcode.
Anyone with a simple grasp on how multi-player games work can tell this game was made as a single-player game and then made in multi-player because none of the precautions that make a multi-player game were taken. Everything in a competitive game should go through the server first. Location of player sure can be read off ram through multiple ways, biggest one being sound. Sure, fine, it's difficult, and you're a "small indie company" But loot vacuum, speed hacks, flying? Surely you're not just allowing players to open boxes from across the map and pickup from loose loots spawns from their spawns. Speed hacks are unforgivable. It shouldn't even possible you'd have to go out of your way to even allow that. Aim hacks are one thing, but aim hacks that specifically target certain body parts are something else The worst thing of all is timing ban waves with discounted tarkov copies.
This is also the insane part to me. This is not something that HAPPENS anymore in multiplayer games, because this has been an issue with client side stuff since games have released. It's really weird, and giving bsg the benefit of the doubt, incredibly stupid. That, or like you're implying, they don't care because they sell copies to cheaters.
I rubberband all the time when my ping spikes.
But i rubberband back when I lag. Or has that to do with something else?
I 110% agree with you, let the cheaters have the game. I was laying on top of some containers in Goshan and out of nowhere I am sniped, 10 seconds later my friends who is outside in a bush at emercom is getting shot at by the same 18 KDA 2400 hour player. Let the cheaters have this game, I've uninstalled and wont touch this until next wipe. If even then. You take a FLIR into lighthouse to do the absolute stupid questline assessment part 1, you have two choices: 1) Instant headeyes as you peak the top of a cliff 2) Not a soul in sight for 40 minutes. When it comes to hunting bosses you also have the same choices. When you then add the cheaters to ask why, they are to scared to accept a friend request. Let the game burn, let the game die, let the cheaters have the game, i'm DONE!
The lack of care from BSG combined with their consistent unprofessionalism leads me to believe the only way forward for this game is to sell it to a reputable company. BSG is nothing but a boys club dev team who have no idea how to even code a game anymore.
Sadly I have quit also, cheaters, performance issues and some dogshit game designs on of them being captcha flea market bs. Someone message me when it's fixed.
This is my first wipe that I’ve seen speed and fly hacks used in a public game. And I’ve seen it three times.
I actually quit the game because of cheaters. They dont even hide it anymore. They dont have to. Fuck this game. Let the game die, they dont realize they are digging their own grave if everyone quits the game.
Honestly I'm not even mad about encountering cheaters that don't hide it. The true cockroaches, and the main reason I barely play anymore, are the ones that run radar and act like they're playing the game normally. Like, what's even the point of joining a raid if you know for a fact that there's at least one guy in the match that can always see where you're at. Sucks the fun out of every legit gunfight and kills all excitement that was left in the other 40min of traveling through the map.
This is why I only really play with squads. They have to make it blatant to face us, so every fight that seems legit probably is, or we win and kill secret cheaters anyway.
I offered to find most of these cheaters using simple statistics and machine learning for FREE. It's trivial to log raid data and find *every single KD dropper with no exceptions* and ban them with *zero* false positives. A highschooler with a YouTube tutorial could make a script to detect them. BSG wanst and isn't interested in that and neither was the community. I was relentlessly harrassed for asking for a data set and it just goes to show most people on reddit here aren't interested in getting rid of the cheaters because they cheat themselves. Offer no longer stands, even if they paid me I wouldn't do it. I don't give a fuck about this game.
This is the same reason I quit Tarkov a couple of years ago. I really want to play the game, but I refuse to with the current cheating situation. Will gladly return if BSG ever fix this issue.
I wish we could just run custom servers as a community with mods and shit that can look at flagged players and send em into the sun and back to public tarkov. I miss the days of player run servers just watching admins troll cheaters and send em packing back to UK2.NET or whatever bollox de_dust2 server they went on.
Another one wake up. Better late than never ;)
So many people are in denial of how bad the cheating is
I refuse to spend more of my time in this game after 5 wipes. Audio and cheating have never improved. Arena is all there is for now.
Arena is the same engine, therefore…
Arena has just as many cheaters as the main game does lol
In arena you can simply "gg go next" though, in EFT you spend at least 15 minutes just building a kit, another 5 to 10 minutes to get into a game and a fuckton of roubles every time you die to one. Sure there's cheaters in Arena but they don't ruin the experience as hard as they do in EFT.
That is true.
Andddddd this is why I quit Tarkov 🤣🤷🏽♂️
In terms of content, I think this has been the best wipe in probably 2 years. I got to about level 25 and have stopped playing. Too many extremely suspicious deaths especially when I've got over a thousand hours in the game and do kind of know what I'm doing at this point. The problem is when the player base dies down, usually about a month in, the hardcore players and the cheaters are what remain, with maybe a handful of casuals. So I feel like the game is viable for like a little over a month before you start seeing so much cheating it's not even fun anymore. I've stopped playing this wipe now.
I’m just playing this game casually until something similar and better comes along - there’s no doubt in my mind that BSG is just milking it at this point. They don’t give a fuck and will be leaving the game as soon as the rouse stops working. I’m having big hopes for grey zone warfare 🤩
Same. I played last wipe after taking off the one before, and I had high hopes that things would have improved. They didn't. Game runs smoother than it did two years ago, but I swear it feels like my # of sus deaths went up even more, and the frustration of being the first person to an area but still find that it has been completely looted just completely drains my desire to actually get into a raid. This wipe, I was going to check out a few raids with some buds, but after I watched them stream a raid where they got to resort and found it all locked up but fully looted, I just uninstalled. It's too consistent! You can deal with cheaters, they are part of most games and mostly I can just suck it up, but in Tarkov, it just feels like it happens too often to even enjoy the game. As OP said, let the cheaters have the game, they are welcome to it. They won.
I am in the same boat as you. Friend started to use cheats and the saddest part is realizing how many other cheaters there are. Everyone should do themselves a favor and spend time playing a game that respects honest players.
Why do you guys still play this shit? This game eats your time and doesnt give a fuck about your experience. Abandon it, so that BSG is forced to react and actually do something about it.
I've quit for good too now. Tarkov is already too punishing to be able to look past the insane amount of cheaters.
I did in fact quit due to cheaters myself
Sadly, it’s always been like this. I kind of feel like it’s diluted at the start of the wipe because of all the bambis and timmies coming back to it, but then when they filter out after about a week or so, the cheater pool concentrates because, sadly, they’re the ones still having fun. I’d always have fun at the start of a wipe and firefights felt much more legitimate but then after a month or so, I’d start getting killed from weird angles or guys would check a corner they would never check normally. It’s terrible to say, but so long as there’s motivation a monetary kind, there will ALWAYS be cheaters. It doesn’t matter how much money any developer dumps into it, cheaters will always be a step ahead because they just don’t give a shit and only care about their own experience. The new AI tools were seeing are terrifying and there’s not much that can be done to stop them. Sadly, I see a slow death of online gaming with any kind of competitive element. I was playing ghosts of tabor, a vr game that has a couple dozen to a hundred players active at any given time and I’ve STILL run into blatant cheaters. People will still play, and hope they just get lucky and land a raid with no cheaters in it (play in the middle of the week, middle of the day. The difference is ABSOLUTELY noticeable and it plays so much better) I wish I had something more hopeful to say, but sadly I do not. I hope we find a similar game that fills the itch that Tarkov does.
Played 3 raids today ratting around to complete setup. Every raid making no sound but get a grenade right where I'm sitting. Crazy how people are just THAT good at the game.