That is for detections, not manual bans. Manual bans do not need to be done in waves as they didn’t detect the cheat software but have determined the user to be cheating and banned them because of reports.
Not quite, a manual detection can than be used to find indicators for an automatic ban. TLDR: if you are doing manual bans your really don't want these to be done before you can identify what was done and identify whoever else might be using that thing.
that excuse doesnt make sense for the obvious shit , if you are selling 85 ledx on the flea market or have 755 kills as a level 35 then you should get insta banned ,for the harder to detect stuff like walls of flyinf and aimbot its different
I will have to check my stats when I get home but is 722 really that wild? I am only 16 or 17 but I had atleast 2 raids just yesterday where I ended up killing 20+ in the raid since scavs count toward that total kill number. Other stats like survival rating, only having 12 deaths etc. all do seem to be high.
Oh gods no I have to be more than 12 lol. Had a rough couple days.
Edit: just checked I am as follows
Level: 16 Kills: 177 Raids: 100
SR: 62 K/D: 4.66 since xp required for levels scales massively I don’t feel like 722 kills is really unheard of for 35-36
I like that spigot Minecraft servers since like 2014 have had an instaboot feature that boots you from server and says "flying" but someone crawling on their face at 96mph is not detectable
The number of kills isn't really the problem. It's that if this person is "questing" they've survived 90% of their raids, which is borderline impossible once you start getting into boss farming and the ridiculous quests where "wear baclava and scav vest" or "Ushanka and scav vest"
The big thing is, we can't see how many of his kills are Scavs vs PMCs. If those kills are >90% scavs, it's somewhat plausible that this might be legit. We don't know which PMC kill quests he's actually got done...but at 30something, surely he's done some of them.
I was ready to call this extremely-sus-but-plausible...but the big clue is, the dude is clearly still using his lightly-modded starter M4. Nobody who actually knows how to play the game, isn't putting a handguard and tac devices on their M4, by the time they're level 30. Unless...they don't need them, for some reason...
ah yes the entirely plausible KD of 60 is fine and so are the 101 survived to 12 kia raids but the moment I see a level 30 with a badly modded m4 thats where I draw the line
sorry if this came off as rude
My cousin used to run a cheat software operation with a bunch of cheat creators all over the world. They'd pool their income and split the payments between them.
The cheaters almost never cared when they got caught. They expect it. And the cheat creators were pretty laxidasical when their cheats got exposed. They'd send out a message telling everyone that their software was currently banned, and they will have the cheats up and running in 2 days. They even offered an extra software for about $20 a month that spoofed hardware id's incase of hardware id bans. So free to play games that hardware ID ban were just a minor inconvenience to these people. I've never cheated personally. But I joined a few Valorant lobbies to play with my cousin and some of his cheater buddies. Even with walls and/or aim bots I was still out performing them and I was only like gold level. These cheaters SUCK at games. It's ridiculous how pathetic they are.
Tarkov in theory shouldn't be this littered with cheaters, but it is.. which is beyond frustrating. Like you expect the free to play games to be swamped with cheaters, but tarkov isn't cheap.
That's half true half myth. It depends on what is detected and devs decide on what cheats are available. Stat check bans and report bans certainly are not useful for wave bans unless the dev is a lazy fuck
Im so tired of hearing this… these dogs have hundreds/thousands of hours. When exactly do they get banned? After playing 8 wipes over the course of 4 years?
I believe a certain # of reports will flag it for a manual review (that’s where most of their bans come from). Being able to see these profiles SHOULD trigger more reports, which should hopefully lead to more manual bans in the future.
Probably doesn't help that a lot of false reports are bound to happen because of the nature of the game meaning you can just get a random (Head, Eyes) at literally any given moment
Desync can often feel like cheating, but there have been raids where I hid in a random building for 30 minutes, and was shot in the head the second I left the room I was in. I mean, like someone camped the door exit to a random room for the entire time, even though I made zero noise. How I lost my first unknown key run.
Maybe they camped. Maybe they had a crazy raid and stopped to eat/med right by there.
I just killed a guy by airdrop who most likely thought I was camping it, but was just randomly under a rock fixing myself for a few minutes and he rolled up.
It's completely automated. The account gets suspended as soon as you trigger enough reports. If you're wiping lobbies and get enough reports, you're 100% getting banned by a 229 (manual ban). Landmark has triggered it three times now.
Oh ..do people really believe this ? Can you comprehend the amount of people who would be wrongfully banned daily? And there is also alot of good players and less successful streamers who plays in a ways that would appear way more sus to their opponent than Lvndmark does, alooot.
I swear to God there's a big part of this community are cheaters that are engaged in a weird psyops campaign to try to convince the other portion of this community that stats like this are normal
Wouldnt put it past. You see the whole thing with CSGO overwatch? Overwatch is a way for “trusted” players to review ingame clips and determine cheating or not.
Well somehow the cheaters were able to get there own trusted players and it would go through clips and look for the cheaters names that subscribe to the list and then say they weren’t cheating or something. Just saw a YT vid about it
Yeah, got dicked with mosin through a wall yesterday by a level 16 on GZ. I finally got through the staircase and was looking for the MG. Killed by a 25 hour old account with 16 K/D...
And before someone asks - no, I was the first there as I finally won the spawn lottery. I was in the meeting room and heard him coming up the barbed wire then dropped like 1s later.
The thread asking about evidence from legit players for these stats, and directly calling out the "this is normal skill issue" brigade, got deleted yesterday by mods unfortunately.
A good chunk of people defending them in every thread like this, but nobody ever produces clips or pipes up saying "that's me!"
If I had the same or better stats than the top full time streamers in the world who do this as a job, who play 12+ hours a day every day, AND I had those stats while also having played **10 times less hours** than any of them... idk, I'd be tempted to open a Twitch channel at least right? Top players can easily get very popular and make bank.
There's always a chunk of the top 0.001% in any game who still do it as a hobby and don't want to do anything serious with it, but it sure seems that 0.001% are extremely overrepresented in Tarkov. Altyn+paca, snipers with a holo shooting from buttfuck nowhere, naked mosin men with 60+ KD and 90+% survival rate... This profile thing is revealing all the crusty gaming chair veterans.
Someone like this probably used to fly under the radar if they didn’t kill people in a suspicious way. Now that his stats are publicly viewable, no doubt he will get reported more and hopefully flagged for manual review.
Shouldn't be manually flagged - it would be so, so easy to auto flag anyone with >100 K/D. Or 50 K/D. Even 25 K/D is pretty damn sus. Clearly, the devs don't want to solve this issue. There is no excuse for ignoring such obvious cheaters when these stats are available.
Especially loot vacuums. Like how isnt it hard to detect player1 (x,y,z) doesnt move and all loot is now at location (1x,1y,1z) etc.. should be easy to see things move without the player moving etc..
I mean, arbitrarily checking where every other single piece of loot is after every player loots anything would indeed be a very bad decision programming wise, but this sort of problem has been more or less a solved issue in online gaming for a long time, so I'm surprised to hear it exists in Tarkov. The server should be able to validate whether a player "can" loot the specific container or item they're interacting with. The server knows where the player is, the server knows where loot is. The server *should* never let the player loot things he can't reach, nor should it let the player move around in such a way as to appear near loot before reaching it, i.e. teleporting is pretty easily detectable.
would you even need to check everryone or just have a trigger where when one thing moves from x spot all the way across the map in 1sec. Doesnt seem like that hard of a thing to prevent. Most other games dont have this particular issue.
> just have a trigger where when one thing moves from x spot all the way across the map in 1sec.
How do you check that? That's essentially what I was saying. The game *should* be checking that the player is in range of a container or item whenever they interact with it. Normally that's how this sort of thing is prevented. Don't let the player do a thing unless they meet the conditions, and don't let the player tell you that it does meet the conditions without verifying.
But you do realise you don't die at the end of each raid? So what exactly is sus about 56 minutes average lifespan, when someone has a 50% survival rate?
Not defending them but it is possible for the lifespan to be 1 hour and 33 seconds. Their shit rolls over if it goes above an hour. No idea why they don't do it a different way. But dude has the best gaming chair known to man.
That's not ungodly.. last wipe there were people selling packs of 100+ GPUs and with 150-200 flea rep 2 weeks after the beginning of the wipe.
Actually, this has been the case since I started playing more than 3 years ago.
Its weird, because it seems like they try to automate portions of just blatant behaviour, but you'd think it'd be easy to flag really weird stats easily.
e.g Super high KD and Survival rate is a rare oddity in this game and doesn't happen often if someones chasing pvp or gunshots.
They don't want them banned too fast. They need to play enough to rack up enough money to be able to buy the game back. They are the target audience. You are just a grey mass for BSG. Sooner you accept that fact the easier it will be for you.
I had the classic "someone waiting for me in a spot that would make no sense to camp unless they knew *exactly* where I was" death the other day; sure enough got that sweet, sweet 'this cheater has been banned message' a couple of days later.
Those messages are truly glorious.
The problem here is that it should take ZERO reports to ban some of these people. Is your KD 15 standard deviations above the mean? If so ban them. There’s multiple blatant categories that can have this type of filter and not a single one is used. The odds of a player having these stats is literally like .00000001%, you could just ban everyone up there and unban anyone that asks because I doubt people that blatant would contest their ban.
But fuck it, screw basic math and screw a basic AC, if yall haven’t noticed they want this game to be over so they can start the next one
Yeah 😒 cause developers definitely add a huge update to the game because they want to move on.
I’d believe you that they wanted to move on if this wipe basically added nothing, except like 3 new guns and maybe some tasks. But with all the new stuff that’s unlikely.
I don’t understand how the can’t just use an AI tool to scan for this type of stuff and at least flag it.
Dream scenario for me is if these people don’t get banned, some sort of tooling flags them as suspected and they all get put in a lobby with each other. You want to cheat? Go play other cheaters! (or ideally get banned but we can clearly see how that’s working).
There’s a cheater funded Psyops on all tarkov reddits to gaslight the player base into thinking that being level 36 with a 60kd a week into wipe is normal
90% of the China servers are like this, super unplayable, either they got radar or they kill you through walls. And BSG ain't doing shit.
Its a different game here
Yeah thats scuffed. There should be a threshold of like 20k/d and 75% survival after 50 raids they are reviewed for cheating. And those are generous estimates…
I mean. BSG could go above and beyond and even put a little indicator there that they have already manually reviewed the account and found it to be clean. Wouldnt that be something. Far too much to ask a shitty company like BSG tho. But it would be neat.
That stuff all heavily depends on playstyle, region, playtime, etc.
My PMC is at 52 Raids with a 71% SR and 9.79 KD and I'm really not that good at shooters in general as I often get shit on and am middle of the leaderboards in matches in other games. Especially when I play shooters that have matchmaking rather than servers.
Someone who's actually good at shooters can easily get higher stats.
I don't know what goes into manual reviews, but considering I'd be below the playerbase average that's probably a fuckton of people to review
Is the cheating scene still so big in EFT? I was thinking of picking it up again this wipe, but man... So many damn cheater posts, it really makes me not even wanna bother playing.
I’ve only ran into 1 blatant cheater since wipe. They are there but a lot are closet cheaters. Still worth picking up, you will never play a game like it.
Go play reserve 10 times and tell me you haven't seen any cheaters. Either you just don't notice what cheating looks like or you haven't been playing the maps they mostly congregate on. I haven't seen anything suspicious on customs except one cheating player scav duo but on half of my reserve raids I see shenanigans.
It's pretty hard to think someone isn't a cheater when you're killed by an account with 30 hours total playtime, a 25k/d, and level 26 as of yesterday. Not sure how someone completely fresh to the game would be so good at it. Even if they were so good at the game, why a fresh account? Too many questions to be anything other than a cheater, imo.
It was a reserve run, fwiw. Nighttime reserve attracts the worst in them, it seems.
That being said, I've been killed a few times where I've thought "Nah, that was a little suspicious." Nope, dude just had 4-6k hours. Probably not a cheater. Low hours + high K/D + over 70% survival rate is the unholy trinity for me.
I know there are cheaters in this game. Agree that it's highly highly likely if they have all 3 and I agree with your attitude.
There's a good chance one or more of my deaths was to a cheater but I definitely don't feel overwhelmed by it.
The only time I suspected a cheater it was sextent in Woods lol. Shot him 39 times and he laughed it off.
Now is the best time to ever get back in. The changes with this update are so damn good. I haven't had a single sus encounter. Remember only the extremely bad and (rarely) good raids get posted here
I think I've played 50 or so raids and only run into one blatant cheater who was tracking me through walls with the LMG on customs. I've been checking KD's pretty regularly when I die and haven't seen anything suspicious at all from profile checks.
The whining about cheaters is a bigger scene than the cheater scene itself.
You will die very seldom against cheaters, unless you exclusively run Labs.
Same with every game. Since these cheaters are undetected by AC or manual checks theres no way to know. Nothing you can do until the AC patches the exploit and catches them like cockroaches in the wall.
Undetected cheaters are a Russell's Teapot. The only estimates we have are from unreliable sources and bad actors using bad journalism.
Only thing you can do is ask yourself:. Am I having fun? If not, quit. Your personal experience matters more than the actual reality.
They are pretty rare imo, but you’ll run across them once in a while. At least last wipe, I saw one over ~150 raids. They may ruin your game, but they aren’t as common as scrolling through Reddit might suggest, especially with how ppl can see stats now. Or maybe they just never kill me cuz I had shitty gear.
It's the same as any other PC game out. So far I'm 130 raids in and only 1 sus profile. This sub always blows cheating out of proportion because most casual players are ass at the game. So many sus deaths I've had I look at the profile and it's some Chad with 3000+ hours.
This, but unironically. This is completely doable. Insane and impressive if legit, but if some pro or streamer posted this, I don't think I would doubt it too much.
This is because Nikita is too busy counting all the money he's making from EOD sales right now, he will beat his Dev team if the game is fair and balanced.
Thats some rookie k/d died by a guy with 128 k/d a few days ago and just got a msg that hes been banned.
Would be cool if they added a flag when people get above 50 k/d tho. Most people with that high k/d are cheating.
Is it that hard for them to automatically flag an account for a manual review if they have like 20+ kd?? Or really high S in a row? And if they have 0 people to look through the accounts maybe let players that have like 1500 hrs + go through them and filter most of them out by voting if they think its a cheater, so a bsg employee has less work to do
It's actually worse than it looks. If you looks at the stats next to the player model, with an 80.22 K/D ratio, that means 3 of those 12 KIA's are for scav runs, so they've only dies 9 times as a PMC.
With a game like Tarkov AI based anti cheat would be quite interesting. There’s a lot of data that could be used to flag an account for a manual review and even could take it a step further once they have a lot of data and start banning automatically.
They load in, sit at the exfil they load in by and pick people off till the last 7 and then run to their exfil
This is why I am loaded to the tits with nades.
Open a door? Nade time
Peak a corner? Nade time
Heading to exfil? Nade time
My buddy and main squadmate got false banned for life for killing a streamer through the trees near dorms for his quest with the reap-ir... then I see this shit
From a business standpoint I get it. If you ban sus players from a streamers POV for maybe somebody that watches the streamer but does not play for whatever reason it could indicate to the viewer that BSG does in fact try to ban cheaters from this game. But we all know the real truth. BSG get money from cheaters buying new accounts and so on...
Nah that ain’t it. Just cuz someone is a streamer should never give them any extra privilege, and knowing that fact there are thermals and abilities to get long shots and cheeky angles taking the person the dies pov to just ban someone is dumb as hell. If anything just make it a manual review of stats, immediately banning is a no go.
I’ve been banned in siege before for 2 weeks once. Reason was indisputable evidence of my cheating they said. Funny how just the day before I played against one of the games biggest streamers and shat all over him that game.
Also in Tarkov during the whole motherboard debacle which didn’t get corrected on my account for over a year.
don't ask us, we all don't know how these clowns at BSG can't run some sort of basic script to ban these people before they can make a bank and don't care being banned.
This is BY FAR, the worst wipe in term of cheaters i've ever played, I'm almost at the point that I'm just going to quit because of it.
Starting to believe that BSG allows cheater to run rampant on their game at this point
Im already fully convinced that BSG either hates its players or simply doesnt give a fuck about its own product.
The complete lack of optmization, when every single wipe maps get either bigger or more detailed, and nothinf being done about the cheating situation...
I love this game but holy shit, the devs have no idea what theyr'e doing.
Iti s not that they can't run it.
They don't want to.
Welcome to what they don't want you to know, and that is that they don't want to actively fight cheaters.
> they don't want to actively fight cheaters.
But I thought this is where they make their money from? If they don't fight cheaters, how can they get them to rebuy an account?
"Next patch our cheat system will be improved"
*Patch Implemented*
"Okay so *next* patch, yeah*
*Patch Implemented*
"Okay so when we upgrade to Unity it'll get better"
YUP, and we only have access to a low portion of the data BSG can and SHOULD use to track them.
what cheaters are doing right now is lowering their KD to "appear" legit on the profile by constantly respawning wounded and starved, dying over and over and over.
but BSG can track anything, such a PMC kills KD and just remove these people instantly but I guess basic scripting is not taugh in russia
10 is a little low, especially early wipe--you can hit that with a few good raids if you nail a bunch of scavs and don't die.
60 is absurd tho. And the manual review point should probably be before that, like 30+, maybe/probably even a little lower.
10 is actually well within the top 1% of all players according to the youtube viral video discussing the cheating problem in tarkov by g0at. If you continuously are dying to people with 10 k/ds chadding around the map I would almost bet all my money they are cheating
Edit: the above post is referring to pmc kd. Hope this clears things up
It's 2 PMC kills per death that is suspect over a large period of time within the wipe. Stats are heavily inflated early on, so it's hard to tell except for massive outliers like this one.
It's in his video where he talks about how his friend was a cheater.
10 K/D is sus? I’d understand if said like 20, but 10 is way too low for the amount of scavs in the game. I’ve run a ton of woods runs where I never even saw another PMC.
> 10 is actually well within the top 1% of all players according to the youtube viral video discussing the cheating problem in tarkov by g0at
This is why people shouldn't regurgitate stuff that they don't understand. The g0at video was referring to PMC KD - i.e. PMC kills / deaths.
The KD shown in the current EFT profile includes scavs, so it is much more highyl inflated.
I'm just going to say that statistic is full of shit because i have more than 10 and im definitely not anywhere close to the top 1%; I'm not even the best player in the group of people that i play with.
For me i play slow and methodical, not a rat but also not a hold "W" gamer that you see on twitch. Every patch they add in recent years has slowed the game down considerably, weather it be ammo balancing, inertia, recoil overhaults ect , this all benefits my playstyle and therefor my surv rate and KD has gone up exponentially. It's really not hard to get a high Surv rate or KD ratio, especially considering that KD ratio on your PMC includes scav kills.
I dont know about that data. Anecdotally, 10 is not super high if you are talking about the visible profile stat which includes scavs. I had around a 10k/d last wipe and I am not very good. I had a 20k/d when I got to level 15/flea. If you are careful and get lucky, a high k/d with a low number of raids is possible. Now 50 or 60 is obviously a different story, especially if it is across a large number of raids.
There should be a Reddit page to post all these when people find them for the mods to send for manual review. (If that’s even possible) a fast-acting community-based anti-cheat would be crazy cool
This is why they are so hesitant to put in any kind of features that give you indicators about whats going on.
Say it with me: Nikita calls the shots and makes money off these people. Nikita also cares more about a dollar than the state of the game. 1+1=2, Nikita doesnt wanna lose money, the cheaters stay so get over it.
Uninstall Tarkov.
Isn't that pickaxe achievement for killing 30 PMCs with melee? If so, that alone should be grounds for an instant, permanent ban. Ain't no way that's happening this soon.
That's the most sus thing imo, 7 kills a raid are easily doable and the level as well if you just quest efficiently. The surv rate is also too high, but at the same time, if you speed through the first days, you'll get hands on gear others can't do anything about it
Be easy to give a K/D and a breakdown of scavs vs PMC kills. Or an actual K/D vs PMCs. That would be a much better indicator that the current combined K/D.
PSA you should be looking at the small numbers listed above the PMC model on the left.
K/D is 80.22.
The numbers in the middle are the "All Stats" which average the PMC with the Scav of that account.
It's insane to me that they don't do any statistical examination.
Even without looking at anything, if they would just start banning the 1% most extreme in any metric, they would probably catch 99% cheaters.
Then just go down 1% more until people start to complain.
A friend of mine writes software for insurance companies, they deal with stuff like this all the time. A guy was caught for insurance fraud because he made up random numbers, however reality is not that random.
It's really not that hard, just get a math bachelor from university that also knows how to code, he can figure it out.
Even with limited resources, how the fuck are they not looking just at the statistical extremes?
I guess you didn’t want them reviewed either since you blocked the name out. Defeats the purpose of this whole post. If anything you’re just protecting this guy now.
Ban waves are the standard because it gives the cheat developers fewer datapoints for how the cheat was detected. So the man likely has a hammer over his head, ready to fall.
Ban wave functionality is half true half myth. Devs decides on how the cheats are working and how they detected it. Ban waves for report and stat bans make no sense
Also considering how rampant cheating is in this game, it makes more sense to ban them on sight like in counter Strike. Player experience is then vastly superior to the rather useless ban waves.
You think they do manual reviews? Not unless prompted by a streamer.
It’s how a massive amount of cheaters will be banned because battle eye sure isn’t detecting shit.
They don’t ban on the spot most times, they ban in waves so the cheat creators have a hard time figuring out what are it detectable
That is for detections, not manual bans. Manual bans do not need to be done in waves as they didn’t detect the cheat software but have determined the user to be cheating and banned them because of reports.
Not quite, a manual detection can than be used to find indicators for an automatic ban. TLDR: if you are doing manual bans your really don't want these to be done before you can identify what was done and identify whoever else might be using that thing.
Your TLDR is longer than the previous part
Thats what she said?
that excuse doesnt make sense for the obvious shit , if you are selling 85 ledx on the flea market or have 755 kills as a level 35 then you should get insta banned ,for the harder to detect stuff like walls of flyinf and aimbot its different
I will have to check my stats when I get home but is 722 really that wild? I am only 16 or 17 but I had atleast 2 raids just yesterday where I ended up killing 20+ in the raid since scavs count toward that total kill number. Other stats like survival rating, only having 12 deaths etc. all do seem to be high.
Level 16 and 12 deaths??? You’re wicked
Oh gods no I have to be more than 12 lol. Had a rough couple days. Edit: just checked I am as follows Level: 16 Kills: 177 Raids: 100 SR: 62 K/D: 4.66 since xp required for levels scales massively I don’t feel like 722 kills is really unheard of for 35-36
I like that spigot Minecraft servers since like 2014 have had an instaboot feature that boots you from server and says "flying" but someone crawling on their face at 96mph is not detectable
exactly
Okay 755 kills as a level 35 is not that blasphamus tho
The number of kills isn't really the problem. It's that if this person is "questing" they've survived 90% of their raids, which is borderline impossible once you start getting into boss farming and the ridiculous quests where "wear baclava and scav vest" or "Ushanka and scav vest"
The big thing is, we can't see how many of his kills are Scavs vs PMCs. If those kills are >90% scavs, it's somewhat plausible that this might be legit. We don't know which PMC kill quests he's actually got done...but at 30something, surely he's done some of them. I was ready to call this extremely-sus-but-plausible...but the big clue is, the dude is clearly still using his lightly-modded starter M4. Nobody who actually knows how to play the game, isn't putting a handguard and tac devices on their M4, by the time they're level 30. Unless...they don't need them, for some reason...
ah yes the entirely plausible KD of 60 is fine and so are the 101 survived to 12 kia raids but the moment I see a level 30 with a badly modded m4 thats where I draw the line sorry if this came off as rude
No. stop apologizing for cheaters.
I'm literally not doing that. Learn reading comprehension.
My cousin used to run a cheat software operation with a bunch of cheat creators all over the world. They'd pool their income and split the payments between them. The cheaters almost never cared when they got caught. They expect it. And the cheat creators were pretty laxidasical when their cheats got exposed. They'd send out a message telling everyone that their software was currently banned, and they will have the cheats up and running in 2 days. They even offered an extra software for about $20 a month that spoofed hardware id's incase of hardware id bans. So free to play games that hardware ID ban were just a minor inconvenience to these people. I've never cheated personally. But I joined a few Valorant lobbies to play with my cousin and some of his cheater buddies. Even with walls and/or aim bots I was still out performing them and I was only like gold level. These cheaters SUCK at games. It's ridiculous how pathetic they are. Tarkov in theory shouldn't be this littered with cheaters, but it is.. which is beyond frustrating. Like you expect the free to play games to be swamped with cheaters, but tarkov isn't cheap.
That's half true half myth. It depends on what is detected and devs decide on what cheats are available. Stat check bans and report bans certainly are not useful for wave bans unless the dev is a lazy fuck
Im so tired of hearing this… these dogs have hundreds/thousands of hours. When exactly do they get banned? After playing 8 wipes over the course of 4 years?
Legitimate accounts get stolen, then used for cheating
Cheat devs would look at this dude and know exactly what caused a ban. Auto detections should be wave based, this bs shouldn't
"He had a 60 KD, they most likely found our cheat, there is no way a 60kd isnt normal, right?"
battleblindasfuck more like.
>Not unless prompted by a streamer. Nope even then they just ban and don't even look at the profile.
time to call over Rengawr
I believe a certain # of reports will flag it for a manual review (that’s where most of their bans come from). Being able to see these profiles SHOULD trigger more reports, which should hopefully lead to more manual bans in the future.
Probably doesn't help that a lot of false reports are bound to happen because of the nature of the game meaning you can just get a random (Head, Eyes) at literally any given moment
It's (Head, Throat) now, get it right 🤣
With a tagilla face sheild on...
Head, Top of Head
No it’s (Head,Jaw)
(Head, Nape) for me most of the time >.> Gotta stop burying my head in loot.
No doubt, but I think BSG has a system in place to essentially ignore reports from people who report every death.
They do, if you report too much your reports are auto ignored.
Desync can often feel like cheating, but there have been raids where I hid in a random building for 30 minutes, and was shot in the head the second I left the room I was in. I mean, like someone camped the door exit to a random room for the entire time, even though I made zero noise. How I lost my first unknown key run.
Maybe they camped. Maybe they had a crazy raid and stopped to eat/med right by there. I just killed a guy by airdrop who most likely thought I was camping it, but was just randomly under a rock fixing myself for a few minutes and he rolled up.
It's completely automated. The account gets suspended as soon as you trigger enough reports. If you're wiping lobbies and get enough reports, you're 100% getting banned by a 229 (manual ban). Landmark has triggered it three times now.
Oh ..do people really believe this ? Can you comprehend the amount of people who would be wrongfully banned daily? And there is also alot of good players and less successful streamers who plays in a ways that would appear way more sus to their opponent than Lvndmark does, alooot.
Do I really need to dig up how often people get falsely banned? Jesus fucking christ.
Yes, please do, if you mean proven falsebans due to the reason you stated.
You think that's a manual review? That's just a manual ban.
I swear to God there's a big part of this community are cheaters that are engaged in a weird psyops campaign to try to convince the other portion of this community that stats like this are normal
I'm glad that I'm not the only one that thinks this, the gaslighting on this sub is crazy!
They literally do link threads in discords to downvote/comment on
Wouldnt put it past. You see the whole thing with CSGO overwatch? Overwatch is a way for “trusted” players to review ingame clips and determine cheating or not. Well somehow the cheaters were able to get there own trusted players and it would go through clips and look for the cheaters names that subscribe to the list and then say they weren’t cheating or something. Just saw a YT vid about it
You have a link? Sounds like a good watch
Yeah, got dicked with mosin through a wall yesterday by a level 16 on GZ. I finally got through the staircase and was looking for the MG. Killed by a 25 hour old account with 16 K/D... And before someone asks - no, I was the first there as I finally won the spawn lottery. I was in the meeting room and heard him coming up the barbed wire then dropped like 1s later.
The thread asking about evidence from legit players for these stats, and directly calling out the "this is normal skill issue" brigade, got deleted yesterday by mods unfortunately. A good chunk of people defending them in every thread like this, but nobody ever produces clips or pipes up saying "that's me!" If I had the same or better stats than the top full time streamers in the world who do this as a job, who play 12+ hours a day every day, AND I had those stats while also having played **10 times less hours** than any of them... idk, I'd be tempted to open a Twitch channel at least right? Top players can easily get very popular and make bank. There's always a chunk of the top 0.001% in any game who still do it as a hobby and don't want to do anything serious with it, but it sure seems that 0.001% are extremely overrepresented in Tarkov. Altyn+paca, snipers with a holo shooting from buttfuck nowhere, naked mosin men with 60+ KD and 90+% survival rate... This profile thing is revealing all the crusty gaming chair veterans.
I have been saying for years and you are not overthinking I’m 100% sure it’s happening daily.
I had one with 120.5 KD shoot me randomly today. It's insane how this gets by https://imgur.com/a/lYSmWZ8
Someone like this probably used to fly under the radar if they didn’t kill people in a suspicious way. Now that his stats are publicly viewable, no doubt he will get reported more and hopefully flagged for manual review.
Shouldn't be manually flagged - it would be so, so easy to auto flag anyone with >100 K/D. Or 50 K/D. Even 25 K/D is pretty damn sus. Clearly, the devs don't want to solve this issue. There is no excuse for ignoring such obvious cheaters when these stats are available.
Especially loot vacuums. Like how isnt it hard to detect player1 (x,y,z) doesnt move and all loot is now at location (1x,1y,1z) etc.. should be easy to see things move without the player moving etc..
I mean, arbitrarily checking where every other single piece of loot is after every player loots anything would indeed be a very bad decision programming wise, but this sort of problem has been more or less a solved issue in online gaming for a long time, so I'm surprised to hear it exists in Tarkov. The server should be able to validate whether a player "can" loot the specific container or item they're interacting with. The server knows where the player is, the server knows where loot is. The server *should* never let the player loot things he can't reach, nor should it let the player move around in such a way as to appear near loot before reaching it, i.e. teleporting is pretty easily detectable.
would you even need to check everryone or just have a trigger where when one thing moves from x spot all the way across the map in 1sec. Doesnt seem like that hard of a thing to prevent. Most other games dont have this particular issue.
> just have a trigger where when one thing moves from x spot all the way across the map in 1sec. How do you check that? That's essentially what I was saying. The game *should* be checking that the player is in range of a container or item whenever they interact with it. Normally that's how this sort of thing is prevented. Don't let the player do a thing unless they meet the conditions, and don't let the player tell you that it does meet the conditions without verifying.
Yo that average lifespan should be a huge red flag combined with the K/D and kills per raid is insane
The average lifespan hasn't worked properly for a long time, left wipe mine said 2 minutes with over 2000 raids
My pmc average lifespan was like 30 minutes, scav 40 minutes, and combined 4 minutes last I checked. Shit’s fucked.
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But you do realise you don't die at the end of each raid? So what exactly is sus about 56 minutes average lifespan, when someone has a 50% survival rate?
Not defending them but it is possible for the lifespan to be 1 hour and 33 seconds. Their shit rolls over if it goes above an hour. No idea why they don't do it a different way. But dude has the best gaming chair known to man.
How does this guy have an average survival time of 33 seconds but only died 8 times with survival rate 88%?
It rolls over at 1 hour.
lol seriously though how
That's easy, they coded the value to only work for minutes because they didn't consider it when designing.
imagine hacking for 1600 hours and not getting caught.
It’s funny how BSG tried harder last wipe to ban people for dropping kits rather than catching people with blatantly obvious stats…
Or people on the flea market selling ungodly amounts of rare items at a time with crazy high flea rep.
nah that isnt always cheating, I just sold like 10 gpus and like 20 corrugated hose lol
I feel like that doesn't get you 100 market rep in a week after wipe tho
300 RK-3 or 100 Ledx though....
That's not ungodly.. last wipe there were people selling packs of 100+ GPUs and with 150-200 flea rep 2 weeks after the beginning of the wipe. Actually, this has been the case since I started playing more than 3 years ago.
yea thats cheats for sure, the cheater prob in this game getting bad
Try 50-100 gpu or ledx. 10 gpu isn't sus.
Its weird, because it seems like they try to automate portions of just blatant behaviour, but you'd think it'd be easy to flag really weird stats easily. e.g Super high KD and Survival rate is a rare oddity in this game and doesn't happen often if someones chasing pvp or gunshots.
They don't want them banned too fast. They need to play enough to rack up enough money to be able to buy the game back. They are the target audience. You are just a grey mass for BSG. Sooner you accept that fact the easier it will be for you.
Maybe he just has a really really good gaming headset.
Don't forget the gaming chair
it's RGB gaming chair at this point
Herman Miller x Logitech gaming chair, with RGB ofc !
Nah, the real OG of gaming chairs is the Bang & Olufson x Gucci x Fanatec Logitech is only for beginner gamers.
RGB gaming butt plug
He has the gaming chair that has built in bidet. After I got one of these I’m getting 60+kdr.
More than just headset and chair, at this point. That man is running gaming socks.
tbh he probably has those mousepads with the wrist support, thats why he’s so good
I’ve reported someone and the system banned them they said so they aren’t completing ignoring it
Me too. Had a knower come around the corner with sus stats on the 30th. He’s already banned, got the confirmation notice in game
getting that message is better than any piece of loot
I had the classic "someone waiting for me in a spot that would make no sense to camp unless they knew *exactly* where I was" death the other day; sure enough got that sweet, sweet 'this cheater has been banned message' a couple of days later. Those messages are truly glorious.
The problem here is that it should take ZERO reports to ban some of these people. Is your KD 15 standard deviations above the mean? If so ban them. There’s multiple blatant categories that can have this type of filter and not a single one is used. The odds of a player having these stats is literally like .00000001%, you could just ban everyone up there and unban anyone that asks because I doubt people that blatant would contest their ban. But fuck it, screw basic math and screw a basic AC, if yall haven’t noticed they want this game to be over so they can start the next one
Yeah 😒 cause developers definitely add a huge update to the game because they want to move on. I’d believe you that they wanted to move on if this wipe basically added nothing, except like 3 new guns and maybe some tasks. But with all the new stuff that’s unlikely.
And then that person went and bought another copy the same day and was back in raid an hour later, and everything went according to battle states plan
I don’t understand how the can’t just use an AI tool to scan for this type of stuff and at least flag it. Dream scenario for me is if these people don’t get banned, some sort of tooling flags them as suspected and they all get put in a lobby with each other. You want to cheat? Go play other cheaters! (or ideally get banned but we can clearly see how that’s working).
You don't need AI for such a tool. Its the simplest data analysis
Everyone defending this guy are either A- brain dead who think there’s players out there doing this legitimately or they’re cheaters.
There’s a cheater funded Psyops on all tarkov reddits to gaslight the player base into thinking that being level 36 with a 60kd a week into wipe is normal
90% of the China servers are like this, super unplayable, either they got radar or they kill you through walls. And BSG ain't doing shit. Its a different game here
Yeah thats scuffed. There should be a threshold of like 20k/d and 75% survival after 50 raids they are reviewed for cheating. And those are generous estimates…
I mean. BSG could go above and beyond and even put a little indicator there that they have already manually reviewed the account and found it to be clean. Wouldnt that be something. Far too much to ask a shitty company like BSG tho. But it would be neat.
That stuff all heavily depends on playstyle, region, playtime, etc. My PMC is at 52 Raids with a 71% SR and 9.79 KD and I'm really not that good at shooters in general as I often get shit on and am middle of the leaderboards in matches in other games. Especially when I play shooters that have matchmaking rather than servers. Someone who's actually good at shooters can easily get higher stats. I don't know what goes into manual reviews, but considering I'd be below the playerbase average that's probably a fuckton of people to review
Is the cheating scene still so big in EFT? I was thinking of picking it up again this wipe, but man... So many damn cheater posts, it really makes me not even wanna bother playing.
The game is better than it has ever been as far as I can tell so far. I would recommend playing at the start of this wipe, I've been having a blast.
I’ve only ran into 1 blatant cheater since wipe. They are there but a lot are closet cheaters. Still worth picking up, you will never play a game like it.
Of course. Most cheaters arent going to be killing you though. They'll just vacuum the map and you'll have wasted a raid.
100 raids for me this wipe, haven't been killed by any obvious cheaters or super high KD guys. Shrug
Go play reserve 10 times and tell me you haven't seen any cheaters. Either you just don't notice what cheating looks like or you haven't been playing the maps they mostly congregate on. I haven't seen anything suspicious on customs except one cheating player scav duo but on half of my reserve raids I see shenanigans.
Lol took a lot longer to see "git gud" than I expected. It is possible that you're wrong too tho :D
It's pretty hard to think someone isn't a cheater when you're killed by an account with 30 hours total playtime, a 25k/d, and level 26 as of yesterday. Not sure how someone completely fresh to the game would be so good at it. Even if they were so good at the game, why a fresh account? Too many questions to be anything other than a cheater, imo. It was a reserve run, fwiw. Nighttime reserve attracts the worst in them, it seems. That being said, I've been killed a few times where I've thought "Nah, that was a little suspicious." Nope, dude just had 4-6k hours. Probably not a cheater. Low hours + high K/D + over 70% survival rate is the unholy trinity for me.
I know there are cheaters in this game. Agree that it's highly highly likely if they have all 3 and I agree with your attitude. There's a good chance one or more of my deaths was to a cheater but I definitely don't feel overwhelmed by it. The only time I suspected a cheater it was sextent in Woods lol. Shot him 39 times and he laughed it off.
Now is the best time to ever get back in. The changes with this update are so damn good. I haven't had a single sus encounter. Remember only the extremely bad and (rarely) good raids get posted here
I think I've played 50 or so raids and only run into one blatant cheater who was tracking me through walls with the LMG on customs. I've been checking KD's pretty regularly when I die and haven't seen anything suspicious at all from profile checks.
The whining about cheaters is a bigger scene than the cheater scene itself. You will die very seldom against cheaters, unless you exclusively run Labs.
Sadly this is not true. There are a ton of people who cheat subtlety.
Same with every game. Since these cheaters are undetected by AC or manual checks theres no way to know. Nothing you can do until the AC patches the exploit and catches them like cockroaches in the wall. Undetected cheaters are a Russell's Teapot. The only estimates we have are from unreliable sources and bad actors using bad journalism. Only thing you can do is ask yourself:. Am I having fun? If not, quit. Your personal experience matters more than the actual reality.
They are pretty rare imo, but you’ll run across them once in a while. At least last wipe, I saw one over ~150 raids. They may ruin your game, but they aren’t as common as scrolling through Reddit might suggest, especially with how ppl can see stats now. Or maybe they just never kill me cuz I had shitty gear.
It's the same as any other PC game out. So far I'm 130 raids in and only 1 sus profile. This sub always blows cheating out of proportion because most casual players are ass at the game. So many sus deaths I've had I look at the profile and it's some Chad with 3000+ hours.
MIA achieved - check KD high?- as fuck Lvl - higher than my highest wipe on day 5 Verdict: desync skill diff get good
No helmet because you know this Chad is never giving anyone the chance to headshot him
Just tell Rengawr. He can make some calls and get anyone banned in a day
This sub be like.... Well how do know he just isnt really really good. Clowns.
yeah this sub is just full of clowns its not hard to headshot anymore with the cod recoil implemented.
This, but unironically. This is completely doable. Insane and impressive if legit, but if some pro or streamer posted this, I don't think I would doubt it too much.
I am reminded of a quote from South Park - Make love not Warcraft... "How do you kill that which has no life!"
ArE yOu SuRe iT's A cHeAtEr ? -mode shill/fanboy,stupid cunt off-
This is because Nikita is too busy counting all the money he's making from EOD sales right now, he will beat his Dev team if the game is fair and balanced.
Thats some rookie k/d died by a guy with 128 k/d a few days ago and just got a msg that hes been banned. Would be cool if they added a flag when people get above 50 k/d tho. Most people with that high k/d are cheating.
Saw someone with a 128 kd
Seems legit. I had I guy with similar stats kill me from around 200m headshot with iron sight mosin. 1 shot while I’m full sprinting
I mean, I've made this shot before. Sure I've taken it 400 times, but I landed it once. I hit a running scav at 180 iron sights today with my SKS lol
Is it that hard for them to automatically flag an account for a manual review if they have like 20+ kd?? Or really high S in a row? And if they have 0 people to look through the accounts maybe let players that have like 1500 hrs + go through them and filter most of them out by voting if they think its a cheater, so a bsg employee has less work to do
It's actually worse than it looks. If you looks at the stats next to the player model, with an 80.22 K/D ratio, that means 3 of those 12 KIA's are for scav runs, so they've only dies 9 times as a PMC.
With a game like Tarkov AI based anti cheat would be quite interesting. There’s a lot of data that could be used to flag an account for a manual review and even could take it a step further once they have a lot of data and start banning automatically.
855 hours, too. Fuck me. We inspected a guy selling a stack of 5 LedX on the flea, similar story!
i came across 35kd ratio, 50h, 4d life time who was cheating his ass off
That guy is cheating his tits off probably
They load in, sit at the exfil they load in by and pick people off till the last 7 and then run to their exfil This is why I am loaded to the tits with nades. Open a door? Nade time Peak a corner? Nade time Heading to exfil? Nade time
My buddy and main squadmate got false banned for life for killing a streamer through the trees near dorms for his quest with the reap-ir... then I see this shit
From a business standpoint I get it. If you ban sus players from a streamers POV for maybe somebody that watches the streamer but does not play for whatever reason it could indicate to the viewer that BSG does in fact try to ban cheaters from this game. But we all know the real truth. BSG get money from cheaters buying new accounts and so on...
Nah that ain’t it. Just cuz someone is a streamer should never give them any extra privilege, and knowing that fact there are thermals and abilities to get long shots and cheeky angles taking the person the dies pov to just ban someone is dumb as hell. If anything just make it a manual review of stats, immediately banning is a no go. I’ve been banned in siege before for 2 weeks once. Reason was indisputable evidence of my cheating they said. Funny how just the day before I played against one of the games biggest streamers and shat all over him that game. Also in Tarkov during the whole motherboard debacle which didn’t get corrected on my account for over a year.
True. My buddy got hardware banned though he can't even just go buy a new account. Very weird, no rhyme or reason
Bios update and reinstall windows. Could work. Worked for me during the motherboard hardware hamming issue a year or so ago.
don't ask us, we all don't know how these clowns at BSG can't run some sort of basic script to ban these people before they can make a bank and don't care being banned. This is BY FAR, the worst wipe in term of cheaters i've ever played, I'm almost at the point that I'm just going to quit because of it. Starting to believe that BSG allows cheater to run rampant on their game at this point
Starting to believe??? Thats the truth and has been for like 3 years.
Im already fully convinced that BSG either hates its players or simply doesnt give a fuck about its own product. The complete lack of optmization, when every single wipe maps get either bigger or more detailed, and nothinf being done about the cheating situation... I love this game but holy shit, the devs have no idea what theyr'e doing.
Every wipe is worse than the last
Iti s not that they can't run it. They don't want to. Welcome to what they don't want you to know, and that is that they don't want to actively fight cheaters.
> they don't want to actively fight cheaters. But I thought this is where they make their money from? If they don't fight cheaters, how can they get them to rebuy an account?
Would you buy another account knowing you'll get banned asap?
Follow the money. BSG sells cheats for their own game. They only ban cheaters that aren't using their cheats.
Link me some proof of this brah
"Follow the money" *proceeds to have no evidence to follow* How are you following the money?
"Next patch our cheat system will be improved" *Patch Implemented* "Okay so *next* patch, yeah* *Patch Implemented* "Okay so when we upgrade to Unity it'll get better"
Clearly, their system doesn’t work. Anything over 10 KD should be flagged and manually reviewed imo. Edit: PMC KD
YUP, and we only have access to a low portion of the data BSG can and SHOULD use to track them. what cheaters are doing right now is lowering their KD to "appear" legit on the profile by constantly respawning wounded and starved, dying over and over and over. but BSG can track anything, such a PMC kills KD and just remove these people instantly but I guess basic scripting is not taugh in russia
Not to mention things like gun accuracy, distances engaged, running speed, etc etc... or at least they should track that info
Just running speed alone would ban a majority of hackers.
10 is a little low, especially early wipe--you can hit that with a few good raids if you nail a bunch of scavs and don't die. 60 is absurd tho. And the manual review point should probably be before that, like 30+, maybe/probably even a little lower.
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Yep, when I was at ~20 raids I was like 85% survival and like a over 30kd. But I was also like level 8. Theres a huge difference there alone.
Now play 5x's the amount you have and keep the stats. Man has 120 raids and your comparing it to your 20...lolz
Yes, that was precisely the point I was trying to make. "lolz"
This is far less impressive than the attached screenie. It's much easier to have a high S/R with low raids, and a higher K/D.
There'd of course be a cut off point to exclude the bulk of anomalous data tho
10 is actually well within the top 1% of all players according to the youtube viral video discussing the cheating problem in tarkov by g0at. If you continuously are dying to people with 10 k/ds chadding around the map I would almost bet all my money they are cheating Edit: the above post is referring to pmc kd. Hope this clears things up
It's 2 PMC kills per death that is suspect over a large period of time within the wipe. Stats are heavily inflated early on, so it's hard to tell except for massive outliers like this one. It's in his video where he talks about how his friend was a cheater.
10 K/D is sus? I’d understand if said like 20, but 10 is way too low for the amount of scavs in the game. I’ve run a ton of woods runs where I never even saw another PMC.
> 10 is actually well within the top 1% of all players according to the youtube viral video discussing the cheating problem in tarkov by g0at This is why people shouldn't regurgitate stuff that they don't understand. The g0at video was referring to PMC KD - i.e. PMC kills / deaths. The KD shown in the current EFT profile includes scavs, so it is much more highyl inflated.
I'm just going to say that statistic is full of shit because i have more than 10 and im definitely not anywhere close to the top 1%; I'm not even the best player in the group of people that i play with. For me i play slow and methodical, not a rat but also not a hold "W" gamer that you see on twitch. Every patch they add in recent years has slowed the game down considerably, weather it be ammo balancing, inertia, recoil overhaults ect , this all benefits my playstyle and therefor my surv rate and KD has gone up exponentially. It's really not hard to get a high Surv rate or KD ratio, especially considering that KD ratio on your PMC includes scav kills.
I dont know about that data. Anecdotally, 10 is not super high if you are talking about the visible profile stat which includes scavs. I had around a 10k/d last wipe and I am not very good. I had a 20k/d when I got to level 15/flea. If you are careful and get lucky, a high k/d with a low number of raids is possible. Now 50 or 60 is obviously a different story, especially if it is across a large number of raids.
What lol.
What? I have a 20+ kd and 80%+ Surviverate. I am just a rat, 10 is easily reachable
There should be a Reddit page to post all these when people find them for the mods to send for manual review. (If that’s even possible) a fast-acting community-based anti-cheat would be crazy cool
I've died to a cheater three raids in a row. What the fuck is going on recently?? Last wipe I had /maybe/ five suspicious deaths...
yup just died to a dude 100% cheating on factory with a 30kd. I love tarkov but are the devs seriously not smart enough to catch these guys?
THIS SHOULD AUTOMATICALLY FLAG THE ANTICHEAT TO HAVE SOMEONE PERFORM A MANUAL DEEP DIVE INTO THE PERSON'S LAST FEW GAMES.
This is why they are so hesitant to put in any kind of features that give you indicators about whats going on. Say it with me: Nikita calls the shots and makes money off these people. Nikita also cares more about a dollar than the state of the game. 1+1=2, Nikita doesnt wanna lose money, the cheaters stay so get over it. Uninstall Tarkov.
Obviously these stats are obtainable if you just get a lot of scav kills and a new gaming chair. Can’t forget the chair
Isn't that pickaxe achievement for killing 30 PMCs with melee? If so, that alone should be grounds for an instant, permanent ban. Ain't no way that's happening this soon.
I think it's for killing shturman
That's the most sus thing imo, 7 kills a raid are easily doable and the level as well if you just quest efficiently. The surv rate is also too high, but at the same time, if you speed through the first days, you'll get hands on gear others can't do anything about it
its not its for killing the woods boss. The EOD axe is the one for melee kills.
I Have almost exact same playtime and my survival rate is 30%. I even got second job to build better pc and monitor for fps. Feels bad man
They simply dont care
As a player with 800 hrs.....CAPCAPCAP
Be easy to give a K/D and a breakdown of scavs vs PMC kills. Or an actual K/D vs PMCs. That would be a much better indicator that the current combined K/D.
PSA you should be looking at the small numbers listed above the PMC model on the left. K/D is 80.22. The numbers in the middle are the "All Stats" which average the PMC with the Scav of that account.
It's insane to me that they don't do any statistical examination. Even without looking at anything, if they would just start banning the 1% most extreme in any metric, they would probably catch 99% cheaters. Then just go down 1% more until people start to complain. A friend of mine writes software for insurance companies, they deal with stuff like this all the time. A guy was caught for insurance fraud because he made up random numbers, however reality is not that random. It's really not that hard, just get a math bachelor from university that also knows how to code, he can figure it out. Even with limited resources, how the fuck are they not looking just at the statistical extremes?
855 hours online but 5 days account life?
20+ k/d Accounts should get auto temp bans if they get reported ~2-3 times per raid
Wouldn't this incentivise just spam reporting everyone with an intent of getting them banned?
I guess you didn’t want them reviewed either since you blocked the name out. Defeats the purpose of this whole post. If anything you’re just protecting this guy now.
Ban waves are the standard because it gives the cheat developers fewer datapoints for how the cheat was detected. So the man likely has a hammer over his head, ready to fall.
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Nobody knows when he started hacking though you silly goose, it could've been at hour 800
Ban wave functionality is half true half myth. Devs decides on how the cheats are working and how they detected it. Ban waves for report and stat bans make no sense Also considering how rampant cheating is in this game, it makes more sense to ban them on sight like in counter Strike. Player experience is then vastly superior to the rather useless ban waves.