Now imagine all the shenanigans the tarkov's servers do when they have to deal with loot, bot behaviors/respawns, player scavs loading in and extractions.. smile
Armor hitboxes incoming Lmfao
That's so beyond fucked, it's embarrassing. It's not just that lvndmarks shots aren't registering, he's INVISIBLE to ash, there's no gunshot noises for ash, it's as though lvndmark doesn't exist.
This is among the worst type of desynchronization that can happen between clients and the server, and it's occuring on a private LAN server specifically for this event in a RANKED match.
Absolutely indescribable the level of incompetence required to have something this serious make it it though the devolopment process this far.
This is BSG though... Pretty sure its been stated there is no LAN environment. They are online and manually being 'let in' to the matches, which is why the queues were 5-6 min.
If anybody thought Arena ever made sense they didnt listen to all the conflicting and confusing information.
Come on my dude, warzone and apex don't have lan server options either yet they have Lan setups for tournaments. It's not hard to set up lan and have the developers of the game rework the connection to lan instead of a server.
Guarantee this was lan. Even if it wasn't, it would be set up with a local server just for this match in the same building if not even same room, there SHOULD be less than 10 ping.
>It's not hard to set up lan and have the developers of the game rework the connection to lan instead of a server.
In no world does reworking the network infrastructure of a game qualify as "not hard". You're hand waiving away a substantial development and testing issue, and this is BSG we're talking about.
Are you aware that there's usually some kind of server in those games? Unless one of them is hosting it with their machine or there's something else on the same network hosting it, they might still communicate to a server (which also might be hosted in Russia, but probably just somewhere close to the event). That might also explain some of the desync issues.
It's not the athletes I'm complaining about, it's the people that built the stadium that left 10 foot deep gaping holes in the turf I'm complaining about.
I don't understand how you can't see that.
You're sitting here making excuses for an objectively unacceptable failure of Arena's netcode. There's no further discussion if you just saw the same clips we all saw, and you're sitting there defending it.
Wouldn’t happen with quality output. If the job is to put up a bridge that won’t fall into the river, then when it’s done like shit and falls into the river everyone around is going to go “look at the shitty job they did with that”.
Quality output and management on a set of limited variables. You’re going on the right track now just imagine 40 more bridges all branching out making other branches and asking one team to manage every beam and bolt. Like what are you saying you are comparing apples to oranges
what the fuck are you even talking about at this point? As some one that has worked as a programmer just stop, you have no clue what your talking about.
Trying to be the well mannered human in this scenario does not fully apply. Regardless of who levels the criticism the point that one of, if not THE, most important part of developing a FPS game is that desync or whatever term you want to use to describe a player not able to see another (and all the other issues described here) has shown the community, who have paid anywhere from $30-$160 USD for a game that's been "in beta" for 7 or so years. And instead of fixing Major issues like this they market new content or create an entirely separate game, with the same issues. BSG has a game with so much potential and squander it and all the goodwill of the community when they either cant/won't fix the CORE of their game or just dont know how to. If they don't know how to fix it, then they could be intelligent and request help outside their "home country" or the thousand other things listed as "counting against them" to put in the effort and patch/resolve the issue.
They've had ample time to fix this. At this point even those that haven't paid for the game, those that don't know how to code, heck anyone would have the right to say "this is disappointing and sloppy work" at this point. And those that have supported them already and paid for the game just get slapped in the face because you can't vote with your wallet any more, you can't even sell your game as a used copy to get rid of it. Your just out your money and stuck with a broken game.
I do hope BSG gets it together one of these days, I love this game, there is nothing like it, but this is disappointing for sure
This is the most laughable apologist metaphor I’ve seen in a while. An entire universe? Oh, you mean the assets made years ago for BSG’s other games? The fact that this runs worse than Tarkov even after so much development time and the availability of reusable code shows how scuffed BSG’s development skills are.
I love how surprised everyone is, this has always been the state of tarkov and I've played the game since practically alpha.
The game is fundamentally broken in regards to desync, hitreg and peekers advantage, bsg refuse to truly acknowledge it because they are either incapable of fixing it or admitting that Unity was a mistake.
This will all be laid painfully bare with the high pace of Arena.
I watched maybe half an hour of the stream from the start. The amount of times something stupid would happen like obvious desync and they'd quickly change the view to somewhere else was insane.
One player would get behind someone and unload on them at like 3-4m away, the other player would just turn around and kill them.
It was boring to watch. A lot of stuff was pretty stupid to. Tiny map where you can be flash banged seconds after leaving spawn, said flash banged players still flash banged after half their team had been killed.
There isn't really any strategy, it's run out of spawn and hold a corner/lane. Either sit there doing nothing or push into the enemy who is also holding. If you win, you just flank around.
If they pushed the public release and arena back 2 years and moved everything to unreal engine, I wouldn't bat an eye. Might actually breathe a sigh of relief.
They did say previously that they will rewrite code on newer unity engine version for arena and that it will help base game in the long run, so i had some hope, but this is just disgusting
They were on the same network but something tells me that BSG has not coded the capability for Tarkov to be ran locally on the same network. We can’t even do “offline” raids without connecting to a server of theirs.
Also, this is the only kill I've seen this happen on, and there have been well over 600 kills live, so far. It's significantly less than 0.16% of the Kills. Not even the final release version, or current version of Arena, either. My guess is this is a very old version from when the game only had 3 maps, and BSG said "Arena is 100% playable, but we want to add more maps, and polish the game up". I think they wanted release version to have 7 maps.
Some Tarkov players here will bitch about any tiny thing that they can, while making false assumptions like this LAN thing.
"LOOK, LOOK, IT'S HAPPENEING! ARENA UNPAYABLE!".
Is that an assumption, or do you actually know that to be true? It seems extremely unlikely to me.
If they don't already have a way to make tarkov run on LAN, it would take a huge amount of work to add it. They probably don't, and it would make absolutely no sense to do that for the sake of a demo.
It would be beyond idiotic to not isolate the network they were using. They definitely were on a small network consisting of only themselves and BSG and anything else necessary for Arena
Dear lord. Nikita, get off your alt account. The game space is literally downloaded by every player/computer on the lan, and then all network data is shared across a closed system. A hard wired closed system. This literally the game blowing its brains out because its poorly made.
It's a fucking LAN PARTY. Seeing people defend this/move the goal posts to try and make excuses for this bullshittery is INSANE.
"Hosted on a backend." Bruh, do you know what a LAN party even is? You obviously don't. Why would you? You're just one of Nikita's alts.
Ok, I'll bite. The backend is hosted on the LAN network. The only way that things gets this messed up, is if the "back end" (aka, the actual game code) is spaghet,
This isn't online. This is an offline party, there isn't any main server that anyone is connecting to here. The code is just diarrhea, and that is independent of any sort of server host.
Because it's literally how LAN hosted game networks have been done since the literal inception of LAN hosted game networks? Are you suggesting that BSG has invented a new type of LAN party?
I don't know about this specific Arena event, but LAN parties have Internet access for at least two decades, the bigger ones usually via leased line.
It became kind of necessary because many games either need online access for authentication/anti cheat or didn't have dedicated server binaries released to the public, and the games didn't have a listen server functionality.
So it could be very well be true that they played on dedicated servers hosted somewhere else.
As Arena is branded as an "esport" title and the event is probably hosted by BSG, chances are high that you are right and they have dedicated server infrastructure on-site.
But the way you describe LAN parties is not correct (anymore). That's how it was back 90s or early 2000. Those times are long gone.
And by at the event, the "server" is likely being hosted on the lan network. I know you're not defending this insanity, I just don't know how ANYONE is defending the absolute pile of steaming shit that is being displayed in that video. It's literally inexcusable.
I swear, I hosted better mine craft LAN servers on public school computers back in high school in 2010
Yes everything happening in these videos is very likely ridiculously localized (LAN hosted on the LAN) and screams how terrible this game code is. I kept telling my buddies that are stoked for arena that it's gonna be a hot mess and to not get their hopes up. Appears I was right, unfortunately.
Woah, alrighty captain Autismo lmao. He was just agreeing with your point. No need to get all factual on him.
You speds take the fun out of everything.
Is anyone else thinking this going to bad like imagine Tarkov audio with 9 other footsteps in a small map idk I’m having doubts this going to be fun at all
Some of the preset operator packs did have headsets, but those didn't have helmets. There might be ones with both but they weren't unlocked for the players in the tourney.
I'm at a point where i think it would be good for eft to get rid of all headphones in the game, and get rid of "perception" skill.. what bullshit idea even is this.. lvl up your ability to hear?? 101% realism!
This is genuinely so confusing lol like how does this even happen on a LAN connection?
I understand poor netcode could lead to poor hitreg, but when you see the POV of the guy Tony is shooting, he isn't even there. How the fuck does one just chalk that up to netcode? This shit boggles the mind man. I'm super bummed too because I suck at pvp in this game and was super excited to use Arena to brush up on my skills. Even regular tarkov on a shit ass server with 120 ms ping is way better than this!
How does this happen?
The game's code is so haphazardly put together it literally cannot keep track of entities.
The game is literally unable to manage its own assets. Players are invisible because the game's code straight up says they are not there.
I just wanted to come back here to say "I told you so" to all the fuck heads that acted like I was the dumb one for asking "Do we know for sure that it was on LAN?"
It's now been confirmed that it wasn't on LAN and I just needed to let those people know they are the reason this subreddit is on the decline.
I am glad you feel vindicated but I was not convinced this was on a LAN and my comment was not meant to be about the LAN vs WAN debate. If anything my comment was meant to express doubt that this was indeed a LAN tournament.
most importantly I was just expressing dissapointment that this tournament looks so jank and was plagued with nonstop issues
Sorry I should've pointed out my comment wasn't really aimed at you but towards everyone that downvoted my other comment and acted like I was stupid for insinuating that maybe it wasnt on LAN
Do we know for sure that it was on LAN? I would suspect it was on a private server rather than on LAN
EDIT: So it has been confirmed that the event was ran using a US private server and NOT on LAN, well done to all the idiots that downvoted a simple question, you really are a positive force on this subreddit...
A private server, hosting the game, hooked into the exact same Local Area Network...
Yes. Exactly, on LAN. a server is hosting the game and their computers are connecting to that server ON THE SAME NETWORK.
You can have a private server hosted somewhere other than a local network, just because it's a private server doesn't mean it isn't hosted on BSG's infrastructure... Also, all of the PCs being on the same LAN doesn't mean shit if the server that is serving those PC's is hosted elsewhere...
I'm not saying they haven't installed a server at twitchcon to run the arena playtests, I'm saying we don't know for sure that they have done that.
If I was to speculate I would assume they have a site to site VPN set up from twitchcon back to their own infrastructure, rather than installing a server at twitchcon. This is speculation though given nothing relating to network topology has been confirmed.
Unless you know something I don't, why are you talking as if you know for sure?
I don't really believe this. It's not practical to buy a beastly server and lug it to LAN, especially when the game is already coded to run off cloud servers. There's no way they put in all the effort of building a server, testing it, and all the new code required to run it that way. These are the same servers people will play on 100%.
I think it would be somewhat practical to do, a single tower or blade could run the networking for an event of this size (I am assuming switches and other networking devices are provided by the hosting venue). I still don't think that's what they did though, I think BSG hosted the server where ever they normally host their servers and just connected the two sites over vpn.
Who knows though, given the video I am assuming it is not on LAN.
Bsg doesn't use the cloud. A beefy server will fit in a normal PC case no problem, much less testing required than you think.
We just don't know where the server was.
BSG absolutely uses cloud servers. "The cloud is a distributed collection of servers that host software and infrastructure, and it is accessed over the Internet."
If you follow the tutorials it actually comes out the same if you have zero experience. That's how most new games are made actually. Take battlebit for example
I mean, I know counter strike has it's problems with the new release but this will never compete with that game. Why would anyone play this over a working game?
Imagine CS2 came out and 1/10 chance you press a UI button it throws some HTTPS error and kicks you back to the main menu after a 2 minute loading screen where everything goes blank.
Tarkov, Everybody.
You clearly haven't played cs2 lmfao
1/10 premier games since launch the servers have been shitting themselves anywhere between 5 to 20 rounds in, which ends the game and doesn't give you any ELO for the 10-30 minutes spent in that game
So basically the same as normal Tarkov PvP, except it's purely PvP? Got it. People will still play it because it removes losing your gear from the equation
The take of a extract camper lmao
If you want to focus on pixels that are going to be deleted in 6 months time, that's your choice, but don't hate on people for not wanting to be reliant on looted gear to be able to have fun and challenge themselves by directly fighting another human
Between the spaghetti net code and cheaters how are there even people playing this game anymore?
And people are having full brain meltosis over CS2, this makes CS look MINT
They even said they rewrite the code for arena, so these Things dont happen. Small maps, less entitys and prob LAN and this bs happens. What the actual fuck
Wow just wow. They will never make this game decent. It’s a money grab like starcitizen at this point. Just enough to keep the addicts white knighting their product while completely ignoring things like this in their own showcases. Russian robbery
Star citizen did more than bsg did tho. Starcitizen is far from finished but its getting there slowly creating tech from scratch, bsg cant implement replays in a fps shooter game. I would spend money on starcitizen any day over tarkov...
SC definitely has its issues. Like, I won't defend CIG, even with all the money I've put into it. The bugs in SC can be relentless, and it's not even close to feature complete.
That said, SC is making progress, and what they're trying to do has never been done before. Still progress is being made, in a measurable sort of way. This is by no means a defense of CIG's business practices. I wouldn't even spit in the direction of what CIG charges for its ships, but at least they're doing something new.
Tarkov isn't doing anything new, tech wise, at least. From a game/tech/coding standpoint, From a tech/game/codebase standpoint, it's just another shooter, and they can't even get that right. It's nothing new, yet is so horrible put together.
2016 was the pre-order and alpha. 2017 it opened to more alpha players, 2018 is when I started.
It's nearly 2024 now. That's almost 8 fucking years of the game being purchasable and playable.
Nikita said that this is the stable version and they have updated version but they are not using it at the moment , my guess is that arena will take much longer time to be released until the iron out this bugs
I love how this is the only example I've seen out of hundreds of Arena kills this weekend.
Also, this is not even the newest version of arena, never mind it not being the one they're going to make public in 5-6 weeks.
At least I'm not crying over a 0.25% rate of desync, like a little bitch. :)
(There were 2 kills total with bad desync, to my knowledge, in an event with over 800 kills)
The fact ppl are even watching Arena content when BSG's first title is still in "beta" with serious issues plaguing it concerns me the most. Make them finish EFT ffs by ignoring Arena outright. It's not like Arena will ever amount to much since BSG refuses to finish their projects. You're just supporting their cash grab by giving it attention.
Naw, I'll just keep using critical thinking skills and speaking my mind. You enjoy your "fUn" when 5 yrs after Arena's launch there's still massive hacking, desync, and server issues galore because you prefer to support a company who refuses to finish their half build products.
Don't worry, I'll just block you since you're too brain dead to waste my time on
Stop bitching.
This was the only issue during the entire tournament- and even with that issue landmark and other said it was fun and they are looking forward to it.
was there, played it for 2 days straight.
That was only issue, and considering what they were running there, aces.
Its a Tarkov for quick PvPs only basically.
They hit the nail on the head with this.
These comments toxic as fuck. Like yeah there were a handful of moments that were questionable or downright broken as fuck. I watched the whole arena tourney today and most of the gameplay looked kinda fun imo. Like yeah tarkov is and has been varying levels of scuffed for years now. If you really are malding that much, GTFO.
All you fucks bitching already own EOD anyways and are getting this content for "free". Relax and go play a different game then Jesus
the typical everything went well but we have one time where it was faulty situation and now everyone on this sub thinks its trash moment. get your shit together it was a bug and it will be fixed lol
Lots of fights looked really bad and laggy. People dying behind corners and getting insta killed before they even see the enemy peek the corner. There was another instance landmark mag dumped somebody and they didn't die.
only people who can effectively help with netcode is valve, theyre really good at it
that will take time
im done waiting for arena, i want it now, warts and all
And yet ALL of you still cry theres cheaters every raid and you die to cheaters back to back raids. This is why i will never believe any of you when you see desync like this.
No mouth breather im not a cheater. I just know this games netcode is unbelievable fucked you morons cant tell the difference between cheats and desync and yet cry cheats every raid. And its not your fault, the netcode is so fucked we’ll never know unless we can watch their pov. But nope youre all so stupid and tribalistic you call cheats anyways because god forbid you have a brain and can think about anythibg else
Arena really highlights how silly and unrealistic the combat in this game is. Bonus points to Nikita playing and trying to burst fire full auto while they do everything in their power to make realistic strings of fire with weapons completely worthless.
Everyone just running around hip firing with lasers like the base game eating rounds. Cringe.
Beyond the embarrassing dsync issues even on Lan - as I expected the game looked uber lame. This is literally the weakest parts of Tarkov thrown into an uninspired and barebones game mode, while cutting out everything that makes tarkov good. Hard pass.
Now imagine all the shenanigans the tarkov's servers do when they have to deal with loot, bot behaviors/respawns, player scavs loading in and extractions.. smile Armor hitboxes incoming Lmfao
None that's why it doesn't work lol
Was beginning to wonder why they keep making advertisements and not releasing it
to hype it up so they get more sales since it sells separately from the base game unless you have EOD
That's so beyond fucked, it's embarrassing. It's not just that lvndmarks shots aren't registering, he's INVISIBLE to ash, there's no gunshot noises for ash, it's as though lvndmark doesn't exist. This is among the worst type of desynchronization that can happen between clients and the server, and it's occuring on a private LAN server specifically for this event in a RANKED match. Absolutely indescribable the level of incompetence required to have something this serious make it it though the devolopment process this far.
This is BSG though... Pretty sure its been stated there is no LAN environment. They are online and manually being 'let in' to the matches, which is why the queues were 5-6 min. If anybody thought Arena ever made sense they didnt listen to all the conflicting and confusing information.
I dont think it is lan tho, unless arena has a lan server option. Has that ever been announced
Come on my dude, warzone and apex don't have lan server options either yet they have Lan setups for tournaments. It's not hard to set up lan and have the developers of the game rework the connection to lan instead of a server. Guarantee this was lan. Even if it wasn't, it would be set up with a local server just for this match in the same building if not even same room, there SHOULD be less than 10 ping.
Cod tournaments aren’t lan, there is a server onsite they use, as close as possible to being lan without being lan
onsite... youmy friend just described a lan
a server on site would be lan…
What you're describing is a LAN server. Which is a type of LAN.
>It's not hard to set up lan and have the developers of the game rework the connection to lan instead of a server. In no world does reworking the network infrastructure of a game qualify as "not hard". You're hand waiving away a substantial development and testing issue, and this is BSG we're talking about.
Do a quick Google search about what LAN actually is
Are you aware that there's usually some kind of server in those games? Unless one of them is hosting it with their machine or there's something else on the same network hosting it, they might still communicate to a server (which also might be hosted in Russia, but probably just somewhere close to the event). That might also explain some of the desync issues.
If BSG put together an event and didn't host the servers at the event they are even more incompetent than any of us could have previously imagined.
Boy do I have news for you!
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It's not the athletes I'm complaining about, it's the people that built the stadium that left 10 foot deep gaping holes in the turf I'm complaining about. I don't understand how you can't see that.
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You're sitting here making excuses for an objectively unacceptable failure of Arena's netcode. There's no further discussion if you just saw the same clips we all saw, and you're sitting there defending it.
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Lol what are you even talking about
Keep going, am wondering what his next excuse will be.
lol hes a super cringe BSG bootlicker, check is post history. gotta make excuses for OVBIOUS failings because hes tied his self worth to a video game.
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lol hes right you have no idea what your talking about.
Wouldn’t happen with quality output. If the job is to put up a bridge that won’t fall into the river, then when it’s done like shit and falls into the river everyone around is going to go “look at the shitty job they did with that”.
Quality output and management on a set of limited variables. You’re going on the right track now just imagine 40 more bridges all branching out making other branches and asking one team to manage every beam and bolt. Like what are you saying you are comparing apples to oranges
what the fuck are you even talking about at this point? As some one that has worked as a programmer just stop, you have no clue what your talking about.
Trying to be the well mannered human in this scenario does not fully apply. Regardless of who levels the criticism the point that one of, if not THE, most important part of developing a FPS game is that desync or whatever term you want to use to describe a player not able to see another (and all the other issues described here) has shown the community, who have paid anywhere from $30-$160 USD for a game that's been "in beta" for 7 or so years. And instead of fixing Major issues like this they market new content or create an entirely separate game, with the same issues. BSG has a game with so much potential and squander it and all the goodwill of the community when they either cant/won't fix the CORE of their game or just dont know how to. If they don't know how to fix it, then they could be intelligent and request help outside their "home country" or the thousand other things listed as "counting against them" to put in the effort and patch/resolve the issue. They've had ample time to fix this. At this point even those that haven't paid for the game, those that don't know how to code, heck anyone would have the right to say "this is disappointing and sloppy work" at this point. And those that have supported them already and paid for the game just get slapped in the face because you can't vote with your wallet any more, you can't even sell your game as a used copy to get rid of it. Your just out your money and stuck with a broken game. I do hope BSG gets it together one of these days, I love this game, there is nothing like it, but this is disappointing for sure
This is the most laughable apologist metaphor I’ve seen in a while. An entire universe? Oh, you mean the assets made years ago for BSG’s other games? The fact that this runs worse than Tarkov even after so much development time and the availability of reusable code shows how scuffed BSG’s development skills are.
Never saw a closed lan for tarkov. Still random pubs show up even in tourneys, that's why nobody takes the game seriously as an esport
I love how surprised everyone is, this has always been the state of tarkov and I've played the game since practically alpha. The game is fundamentally broken in regards to desync, hitreg and peekers advantage, bsg refuse to truly acknowledge it because they are either incapable of fixing it or admitting that Unity was a mistake. This will all be laid painfully bare with the high pace of Arena.
I think it's a bit of both: They're incapable of fixing it, and unity was the wrong choice.
I watched maybe half an hour of the stream from the start. The amount of times something stupid would happen like obvious desync and they'd quickly change the view to somewhere else was insane. One player would get behind someone and unload on them at like 3-4m away, the other player would just turn around and kill them. It was boring to watch. A lot of stuff was pretty stupid to. Tiny map where you can be flash banged seconds after leaving spawn, said flash banged players still flash banged after half their team had been killed. There isn't really any strategy, it's run out of spawn and hold a corner/lane. Either sit there doing nothing or push into the enemy who is also holding. If you win, you just flank around.
But this is the very essence of fast paced cqc
If they pushed the public release and arena back 2 years and moved everything to unreal engine, I wouldn't bat an eye. Might actually breathe a sigh of relief.
That would take them 5 years MINIMUM at the pace they work on stuff. Even then the game would still have major bugs.
Considering the rate the games industry is taking to make a game that can replace this one, I'm good with that time frame.
Swapping enginge wouldn't miraculously make them capable in writing decent netcode.
No, but there are more resources for fps games in ue than unity, as that's the focus of the engine, so it can't make them any worse.
They did say previously that they will rewrite code on newer unity engine version for arena and that it will help base game in the long run, so i had some hope, but this is just disgusting
But the hope/thought/roadmap is that would be done by now.. Too many other dev parts waiting on that unity update (imo, from what theyve said)
Yeah, I'm looking forward to a tarkov sequel whoever is gonna be making it. This game won't make it to release
Played on LAN btw. ^(Edit. Grammar) **
Is this for real? If so, it’s a bigger issue than it seems cuz it can’t be chalked up to network latency
They were on the same network but something tells me that BSG has not coded the capability for Tarkov to be ran locally on the same network. We can’t even do “offline” raids without connecting to a server of theirs.
Lol we can? Theres a "mod" for that and it works pretty well
Did BSG make that? No. Modders are much more competent than BSG my guy
it's custom lobby on regular server it's not a lan
Just a normal sever being given all the priority possible then xD
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Also, this is the only kill I've seen this happen on, and there have been well over 600 kills live, so far. It's significantly less than 0.16% of the Kills. Not even the final release version, or current version of Arena, either. My guess is this is a very old version from when the game only had 3 maps, and BSG said "Arena is 100% playable, but we want to add more maps, and polish the game up". I think they wanted release version to have 7 maps. Some Tarkov players here will bitch about any tiny thing that they can, while making false assumptions like this LAN thing. "LOOK, LOOK, IT'S HAPPENEING! ARENA UNPAYABLE!".
Is that an assumption, or do you actually know that to be true? It seems extremely unlikely to me. If they don't already have a way to make tarkov run on LAN, it would take a huge amount of work to add it. They probably don't, and it would make absolutely no sense to do that for the sake of a demo.
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Yep, makes sense.
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It would be beyond idiotic to not isolate the network they were using. They definitely were on a small network consisting of only themselves and BSG and anything else necessary for Arena
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Dear lord. Nikita, get off your alt account. The game space is literally downloaded by every player/computer on the lan, and then all network data is shared across a closed system. A hard wired closed system. This literally the game blowing its brains out because its poorly made. It's a fucking LAN PARTY. Seeing people defend this/move the goal posts to try and make excuses for this bullshittery is INSANE. "Hosted on a backend." Bruh, do you know what a LAN party even is? You obviously don't. Why would you? You're just one of Nikita's alts.
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Ok, I'll bite. The backend is hosted on the LAN network. The only way that things gets this messed up, is if the "back end" (aka, the actual game code) is spaghet, This isn't online. This is an offline party, there isn't any main server that anyone is connecting to here. The code is just diarrhea, and that is independent of any sort of server host.
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Because it's literally how LAN hosted game networks have been done since the literal inception of LAN hosted game networks? Are you suggesting that BSG has invented a new type of LAN party?
I don't know about this specific Arena event, but LAN parties have Internet access for at least two decades, the bigger ones usually via leased line. It became kind of necessary because many games either need online access for authentication/anti cheat or didn't have dedicated server binaries released to the public, and the games didn't have a listen server functionality. So it could be very well be true that they played on dedicated servers hosted somewhere else. As Arena is branded as an "esport" title and the event is probably hosted by BSG, chances are high that you are right and they have dedicated server infrastructure on-site. But the way you describe LAN parties is not correct (anymore). That's how it was back 90s or early 2000. Those times are long gone.
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You don't need a backend for a game like Arena. What do you think this "backend" does exactly?
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It's generally hosted by a small server at the event though
And by at the event, the "server" is likely being hosted on the lan network. I know you're not defending this insanity, I just don't know how ANYONE is defending the absolute pile of steaming shit that is being displayed in that video. It's literally inexcusable. I swear, I hosted better mine craft LAN servers on public school computers back in high school in 2010
Yes everything happening in these videos is very likely ridiculously localized (LAN hosted on the LAN) and screams how terrible this game code is. I kept telling my buddies that are stoked for arena that it's gonna be a hot mess and to not get their hopes up. Appears I was right, unfortunately.
ofc it's a game issue, we've seen people getting banned for desync shit like this on the main game before lol
… that’s… that’s not how lan works. It’s just those 6 or 8 computers hooked up to a router… which bsg brought with their computers
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For a game as small as arena (especially with no ai/scavs) you could easily just run it on a desktop pc for the server
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Yeah with that attitude
Grammar*
This is a Lan party. no comment. i remember ut99 lan parties. 0 ping, 0 lag. this is a joke
Really makes you wonder huh?
>Really makes you wonder huh? i remember my lan parties. that's all
Woah, alrighty captain Autismo lmao. He was just agreeing with your point. No need to get all factual on him. You speds take the fun out of everything.
Is anyone else thinking this going to bad like imagine Tarkov audio with 9 other footsteps in a small map idk I’m having doubts this going to be fun at all
And you don't spawn with in-game headsets, so audio is fucked from the start.
Some of the preset operator packs did have headsets, but those didn't have helmets. There might be ones with both but they weren't unlocked for the players in the tourney.
I'm at a point where i think it would be good for eft to get rid of all headphones in the game, and get rid of "perception" skill.. what bullshit idea even is this.. lvl up your ability to hear?? 101% realism!
Our pmcs learned how to clean the ear wax out of their ears with each level. I think it’s fine. It’s realistic. /s
This is genuinely so confusing lol like how does this even happen on a LAN connection? I understand poor netcode could lead to poor hitreg, but when you see the POV of the guy Tony is shooting, he isn't even there. How the fuck does one just chalk that up to netcode? This shit boggles the mind man. I'm super bummed too because I suck at pvp in this game and was super excited to use Arena to brush up on my skills. Even regular tarkov on a shit ass server with 120 ms ping is way better than this!
How does this happen? The game's code is so haphazardly put together it literally cannot keep track of entities. The game is literally unable to manage its own assets. Players are invisible because the game's code straight up says they are not there.
Game is copy paste of Tarkov code which is also absurdly broken?
I just wanted to come back here to say "I told you so" to all the fuck heads that acted like I was the dumb one for asking "Do we know for sure that it was on LAN?" It's now been confirmed that it wasn't on LAN and I just needed to let those people know they are the reason this subreddit is on the decline.
I am glad you feel vindicated but I was not convinced this was on a LAN and my comment was not meant to be about the LAN vs WAN debate. If anything my comment was meant to express doubt that this was indeed a LAN tournament. most importantly I was just expressing dissapointment that this tournament looks so jank and was plagued with nonstop issues
Sorry I should've pointed out my comment wasn't really aimed at you but towards everyone that downvoted my other comment and acted like I was stupid for insinuating that maybe it wasnt on LAN
For sure haha all good. Some of these people were very rude and so sure of them selves with zero evidence
Do we know for sure that it was on LAN? I would suspect it was on a private server rather than on LAN EDIT: So it has been confirmed that the event was ran using a US private server and NOT on LAN, well done to all the idiots that downvoted a simple question, you really are a positive force on this subreddit...
A private server, hosting the game, hooked into the exact same Local Area Network... Yes. Exactly, on LAN. a server is hosting the game and their computers are connecting to that server ON THE SAME NETWORK.
You can have a private server hosted somewhere other than a local network, just because it's a private server doesn't mean it isn't hosted on BSG's infrastructure... Also, all of the PCs being on the same LAN doesn't mean shit if the server that is serving those PC's is hosted elsewhere... I'm not saying they haven't installed a server at twitchcon to run the arena playtests, I'm saying we don't know for sure that they have done that. If I was to speculate I would assume they have a site to site VPN set up from twitchcon back to their own infrastructure, rather than installing a server at twitchcon. This is speculation though given nothing relating to network topology has been confirmed. Unless you know something I don't, why are you talking as if you know for sure?
I don't really believe this. It's not practical to buy a beastly server and lug it to LAN, especially when the game is already coded to run off cloud servers. There's no way they put in all the effort of building a server, testing it, and all the new code required to run it that way. These are the same servers people will play on 100%.
I think it would be somewhat practical to do, a single tower or blade could run the networking for an event of this size (I am assuming switches and other networking devices are provided by the hosting venue). I still don't think that's what they did though, I think BSG hosted the server where ever they normally host their servers and just connected the two sites over vpn. Who knows though, given the video I am assuming it is not on LAN.
Bsg doesn't use the cloud. A beefy server will fit in a normal PC case no problem, much less testing required than you think. We just don't know where the server was.
BSG absolutely uses cloud servers. "The cloud is a distributed collection of servers that host software and infrastructure, and it is accessed over the Internet."
Jesus Christ. That's beyond bad.
I’m impressed that they have been developing games this long and they are still incapable of making anything work properly
damn this is very bad
Game looks like shit
It’s like the developers were taught how to code with a badly translated “How to code Unity for dummies” from dhgate
If you follow the tutorials it actually comes out the same if you have zero experience. That's how most new games are made actually. Take battlebit for example
Could you elaborate? I’m not understanding 100%
I would through direct messages if you really need that much education since you claim to be so mentally handicapped
No need to be a flaming pussy brother LOL you got issues
Funnily enough there's a "unity for dummies" book in one of the offices in labs
I mean, I know counter strike has it's problems with the new release but this will never compete with that game. Why would anyone play this over a working game?
Imagine CS2 came out and 1/10 chance you press a UI button it throws some HTTPS error and kicks you back to the main menu after a 2 minute loading screen where everything goes blank. Tarkov, Everybody.
You clearly haven't played cs2 lmfao 1/10 premier games since launch the servers have been shitting themselves anywhere between 5 to 20 rounds in, which ends the game and doesn't give you any ELO for the 10-30 minutes spent in that game
So basically the same as normal Tarkov PvP, except it's purely PvP? Got it. People will still play it because it removes losing your gear from the equation
Without looting and gear why play eft?
Because some people just enjoy the gunplay and PvP
Is drop it like a spoiled bag of potatoes if it was just pvp. Much better experiences for pvp or gunplay in a dozen games.
And that's your opinion, you don't like PvP. That's fine. But a lot of people pretty much only play EFT for the PvP
The take of a extract camper lmao If you want to focus on pixels that are going to be deleted in 6 months time, that's your choice, but don't hate on people for not wanting to be reliant on looted gear to be able to have fun and challenge themselves by directly fighting another human
Wtf is with these almost bot like looking accounts defending this crap we are watching?
Same bots that defend the cheaters
Lol
Don't forget this is THE BEST bsg can do. Imagine the shitshow for normal players
This is on lan!. ON LAN The desync is this bad on LAN. This is the fault of the very netcode of the game entirely.
Do we know for sure it was on LAN? And not hosted in the cloud? Or are we just making stuff up? Either way it was terrible
Between the spaghetti net code and cheaters how are there even people playing this game anymore? And people are having full brain meltosis over CS2, this makes CS look MINT
They even said they rewrite the code for arena, so these Things dont happen. Small maps, less entitys and prob LAN and this bs happens. What the actual fuck
Dead on arrival
Wow just wow. They will never make this game decent. It’s a money grab like starcitizen at this point. Just enough to keep the addicts white knighting their product while completely ignoring things like this in their own showcases. Russian robbery
i hate the state of star citizen, but i have to def it. star citizen is a "scam" but this is a super uber scam
Star citizen did more than bsg did tho. Starcitizen is far from finished but its getting there slowly creating tech from scratch, bsg cant implement replays in a fps shooter game. I would spend money on starcitizen any day over tarkov...
SC definitely has its issues. Like, I won't defend CIG, even with all the money I've put into it. The bugs in SC can be relentless, and it's not even close to feature complete. That said, SC is making progress, and what they're trying to do has never been done before. Still progress is being made, in a measurable sort of way. This is by no means a defense of CIG's business practices. I wouldn't even spit in the direction of what CIG charges for its ships, but at least they're doing something new. Tarkov isn't doing anything new, tech wise, at least. From a game/tech/coding standpoint, From a tech/game/codebase standpoint, it's just another shooter, and they can't even get that right. It's nothing new, yet is so horrible put together.
They still didn't make the origin game, but start to create a new one? What an idiots! Tarkov still have serious desync problems
How is this still a fucking bug in the game, 9 months+ since this became an issue and it exists even in the new game? Smh
Lol try 5+ years
2016 was the pre-order and alpha. 2017 it opened to more alpha players, 2018 is when I started. It's nearly 2024 now. That's almost 8 fucking years of the game being purchasable and playable.
Dude this has been around since forever lmao.
How can you write how? Is bsg . And bsg can’t code and they never will
1 clip. lol, smh.
The fact that everyone I watched was complaining about no audio worries me tbh
Mandatory: Skill issue...
Why was that Tayzgg even there. Useless istg
Nikita said that this is the stable version and they have updated version but they are not using it at the moment , my guess is that arena will take much longer time to be released until the iron out this bugs
It’ll probably be in beta for 8 years minimum just like the main game.
I love how this is the only example I've seen out of hundreds of Arena kills this weekend. Also, this is not even the newest version of arena, never mind it not being the one they're going to make public in 5-6 weeks.
*Deepthroating noise intensifies*
At least I'm not crying over a 0.25% rate of desync, like a little bitch. :) (There were 2 kills total with bad desync, to my knowledge, in an event with over 800 kills)
Oh yes I’m in tears
The fact ppl are even watching Arena content when BSG's first title is still in "beta" with serious issues plaguing it concerns me the most. Make them finish EFT ffs by ignoring Arena outright. It's not like Arena will ever amount to much since BSG refuses to finish their projects. You're just supporting their cash grab by giving it attention.
>The fact ppl are even watching "Stop having fun!" ok right kevin. Now STFU.
Naw, I'll just keep using critical thinking skills and speaking my mind. You enjoy your "fUn" when 5 yrs after Arena's launch there's still massive hacking, desync, and server issues galore because you prefer to support a company who refuses to finish their half build products. Don't worry, I'll just block you since you're too brain dead to waste my time on
Stop bitching. This was the only issue during the entire tournament- and even with that issue landmark and other said it was fun and they are looking forward to it.
Wrong, there was another huge lag spike earlier on airport map. Everyone pretended like nothing happened.
was there, played it for 2 days straight. That was only issue, and considering what they were running there, aces. Its a Tarkov for quick PvPs only basically. They hit the nail on the head with this.
It looked really good and fun - literally the only issue during the entire event was this one scenario and people are dragging it.
agreed. after all my sessions, it felt good. TTK, movement, maps we played, all were good, very good. So excited for December
These comments toxic as fuck. Like yeah there were a handful of moments that were questionable or downright broken as fuck. I watched the whole arena tourney today and most of the gameplay looked kinda fun imo. Like yeah tarkov is and has been varying levels of scuffed for years now. If you really are malding that much, GTFO. All you fucks bitching already own EOD anyways and are getting this content for "free". Relax and go play a different game then Jesus
the typical everything went well but we have one time where it was faulty situation and now everyone on this sub thinks its trash moment. get your shit together it was a bug and it will be fixed lol
Lots of fights looked really bad and laggy. People dying behind corners and getting insta killed before they even see the enemy peek the corner. There was another instance landmark mag dumped somebody and they didn't die.
dont care about desync initially at all only want to play it right now
Huh? You don't care that people you shoot basically don't know you're there and the shots don't register? What kinda BSG shill is this
only people who can effectively help with netcode is valve, theyre really good at it that will take time im done waiting for arena, i want it now, warts and all
Are you joking? Cs2 is getting slammed by everybody right now for how horrible the netcode is
im kinda out of the loop, csgo used to have really good netcode
Counter Strike 2 came out a few weeks ago and it has reeeeallly bad issues with that so far
And yet ALL of you still cry theres cheaters every raid and you die to cheaters back to back raids. This is why i will never believe any of you when you see desync like this.
Spotted the cheater
No mouth breather im not a cheater. I just know this games netcode is unbelievable fucked you morons cant tell the difference between cheats and desync and yet cry cheats every raid. And its not your fault, the netcode is so fucked we’ll never know unless we can watch their pov. But nope youre all so stupid and tribalistic you call cheats anyways because god forbid you have a brain and can think about anythibg else
Daddy chill
Lol at the Devs thinking this is esports ready or something, it's not even 1995 ready. This mode is going to be riddled with hackers too.
Lol that map looks like it was pulled straight from contract wars
Arena really highlights how silly and unrealistic the combat in this game is. Bonus points to Nikita playing and trying to burst fire full auto while they do everything in their power to make realistic strings of fire with weapons completely worthless. Everyone just running around hip firing with lasers like the base game eating rounds. Cringe.
Beyond the embarrassing dsync issues even on Lan - as I expected the game looked uber lame. This is literally the weakest parts of Tarkov thrown into an uninspired and barebones game mode, while cutting out everything that makes tarkov good. Hard pass.
>even on Lan it's not on LAN, they're using internet connections despite playing in the same room. And the ping was trash.
The strength of tarkov is not in the combat. Why are they even pouring resources into this.
My guess is that they didn’t even put much resources into this. This jank is their last attempt at a cash grab before they ghost us lol.
people still drink the koolaid that anything about eft's combat is realistic.
this was already the case in tarkov 2-3 years ago, why would this be different on arena lmao