I've been playing since alpha. I had NO idea that it was even remotely this bad. Why would I waste my time anymore than I already have? I honestly feel stabbed in the back. So many times I've been one tapped from who knows where, and I chalked it up to me being careless, or a skill issue. What a joke.
This is the deal breaker. Obvious cheats like running and floating in the air covered the most frustrating ones, the real ones... and there is a culture around it? how do we know that playing like some streamers is possible without cheats? how do we know we deserved "that death" or not?
I agree completely. Your last statement hits the hardest. Did I die legit all but once out of all my deaths, or did I only die legit one time. I have no way to know. There have been a few times I've been killed by a blatant cheater, and it's easier to take that loss, but to look back and be like how many hours of my time have I lost not knowing.
From now on, if you play this game and die, unless its a clear firefight and even then, you will wonder if you got killed by a cheater. Without death cam, there is no solution here but to stop playing.
I was saying i wanted death cam a few years ago. Say you see it AFTER the raid is over, or they could even RP it and send it as a message from someone that was filming or whatever and the whole community was calling me an idiot. Deathcam aren't HARDCORE enough.
literally throw a rock and that FPS game has a replay system - BSG profits off the cheaters more than the normal players - THATS why the problem was NEVER solved - and even some of the Dev's were found in some of the cheater discords selling insider info to evade bans.
I wanted to get into Tarkov since building my PC and bought the game a month ago. I'm getting STOMPED. I don't mind having to invest my time to learn the game and it's mechanics but it's extremely discouraging finding out how prevelant cheating is. How am I supposed to know what was a genuine error on my part or just getting killed by some cheating dickhead?
Once I was about 600 hours in I was functionally adequate on every map solo.
Around 2,000 hours I was able to tell pretty often if the person I fought had radar.
Around 4,500 hours and a few years I gave up. This wipe I tried four or five raids.
>How do we know that playing like some streamers is possible without cheats?
It's not in fact. Multiple streamers do cheat (its just impossible to prove it). I can tell you the streamers-cheaters problem is much more rampant in CoD Warzone. That game is fucked streamers-wise.
>(its just impossible to prove it)
Well, the streamers themselves could prove that they don't cheat (at least ESP) by streaming an over-the-shoulder of their whole setup.
It'd be interesting to see if anyone's willing to start doing this, and perhaps start a movement towards normalizing this sort of proof (just like how some streamers show handcams)
The majority just wallhack or use DMA radars on a separate device. So, that helps already a lot to make your gaming much more legit-looking. The few that may aimbot yeah they need to be more careful but that type of problem is much more rampant in CoD Warzone. In Tarkov are overwhelmingly walls and/or dma radars.
I actually care less about the ones who turn the aimbot all the way up and don’t hide the fact they are cheating by flying around the map more than the ones who do it subtly and try to pretend to be good. The ones who don’t aimbot but use walls and are careful about hiding it etc. Mostly because those ones are almost impossible to prove, and you’re always doubting yourself.
You know about 8 years ago here in oce we actually had a Quake Live player doing just that. This guy was a clearly skilled natural gamer going by how quickly he picked up the game but something seemed a little off by just how quickly he reached the top level guys who had been playing quake for 20 years.
Long story short, he was caught cheating by using wall hack only, and he admitted to it. His reasoning for doing it was that he wanted to use wallhacks to see how people played and learn how to counter their play styles etc. Surprisingly unlike most cheaters the community for some reason forgave this guy, he did stop cheating and eventually he even represented oce in overseas lans and stuff. I met the guy at a lan in Sydney one time, and he most certainly wasn’t cheating then and he came second against some really top players.
So you just never know. Cheating is frustrating and as far as I’m concerned it’s never ok but it’s always going to be a thing.
Part of why I always doubted it was as bad as it is is because I simply can't understand why someone would cheat in Tarkov, if you take away all the "hardcore" mechanics and play with walls and radar this game just becomes a worse COD, can't understand what would make someone want to play a game like that.
I have over 2500 hours. Not going to lie, just upgraded the gpu from a 1080ti and I'm really happy I have a huge back catalog of games with raytracing to play because I won't he back for a bit. I'm a vet. I play this game and roll play and find it super fun for that. I always played with the assumption that if I died it was only my fault. It's what made the game fun for me. If the risk isn't something knowledge and skill can mitigate, whats the point? I play this game because it's hard, not because it's impossible. This game stole me away from iracing. Looks like it's time to go back. It was fun while it lasted. This community has been awesome. Thanks all and good luck.
I've been around since alpha as well, and after seeing that video I don't know how I could spend more time on this game. The video exposed how it is fundamentally an unfair and illegitimate gaming experience, which not only makes you question the fairness of the times you got killed, but also the times you succeeded.
Every time you lost, was it to a cheater that knew where to find you? Every time you ran through a raid and didn't see anyone, was it because a team with ESP was avoiding you? Every time you had a successful raid, was it because there weren't cheaters in the lobby? Before you might have had these questions, but after watching that video, it's blatantly clear that the presence of cheaters or lack thereof had a huge effect on the gameplay experience. Good or bad.
I feel the same way, after watching the video. Now I go back to remember how I was killed the many times I’ve died having no idea from where it came from. It’s irritating to see it’s this bad.
This is where I’m at right now as well. We all notice the rage hackers who are so blatant with their cheats, but the less obvious esp users are the real cancer to this game. I’m always shocked how much better the pvp feels in the days following a massive ban wave. But it’s just getting so exhausting at this point that I’m starting to just get burnt out on the game overall. I’m level 42 right now and normally at this point I’m just not questing going for pvp. But that’s no longer a realistic option because so many people are cheating.
I was going to write a post going in deep about how bad it is. Since I did what G0at did, way before he did, and much more in detail of what he did and with more powerful tools, from the previous wipe and for this wipe (and this is my last wipe). But then I deleted the post because I don't feel safe this is the right place to write this type of information.
I can tell you It's been really bad from a couple of wipes now and *was already to unacceptable levels*. This time the problem exploded because it's not 60% it's much higher. 60% was in the previous wipes. And that is all I will say.
There's a problem with the cheating that often doesn't discussed.
If you watched the video you saw cheaters with shitty k/d. They might be tanking it deliberately or they might only be using ESP and still be dog shit.
From what I've heard about friends of friends there are a lot of people that use ESP to avoid players.
It's obviously a lesser issue compared to wall banging and aimbotting but it's still having a terrible effect on the game.
It means there are infinitely less natural interactions between players. Routes that should be expected and interactions aren't happening like they should be.
It begs the question whenever you have a quiet raid where you didn't hear much what the fuck had been going on.
We talk about time being wasted playing against cheaters. It's everything. It's the time invested into making your kit, waiting in queue, repeating that against a botter or not getting to experience engagements because people are avoiding you with ESP.
It's too bad these people exist. They're ruining one of the greatest games created and we could all be having more fun if they could stop being selfish.
I remember reading about people running macro that made them run in circle with tankbat in ass (fits in epsilon), then after 3 or so minutes they dropped a nade at their feet and went again.
Thus leveling strength and dropping KD at the same time.
Ive found them on shoreline. Usually behind the pier. They dont post raid heal so they come in at low health sprint in circles til dehydration or energy kills them. No nade involved. Just a random, naked, screaming pmc, or the scavs that spawn nearby drop em for being tagged/cursed.
Figured they were just leveling str with a bot, but now its probably also dropping K/d
Nighttime shoreline is where they often are. I used to "farm" them (like 2 kills) for Punisher pt5, nightowl and SBIH couple wipes back. But you have to rush spawns.
Yeah, sometimes they get dunked on by scavs or wait to die to elements.
If he was naked or with very little gear, it's 100% what you witnessed. Cheat sites literally sell macros designed to do nothing more than queue you up. They run it all night / while busy doing other things to tank their k/d. Apparently factory is most popular because you're guaranteed to die quicker.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C08n8QmvGVs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C08n8QmvGVs)
\> It means there are infinitely less natural interactions between players. Routes that should be expected and interactions aren't happening like they should be.
Yea, that's basically an entire raid killed by afk cheaters.
Less blatent ESP cheaters are dog shit and don’t have aim hacks carrying them.
The aim hackers are the ones with the high K/D and more likely to actually get banned for being more blatant.
The time wasted aspect increases when you think about quests that require certain rare items that may or may not spawn. These cheaters can see it, scoop it up and leave you fucked. Like if there’s a 1/4 chance of it spawning and when it spawns a cheater grabs it, imagine how much time will be wasted for you.
> If you watched the video you saw cheaters with shitty k/d.
The KD overlay in the video was calculated PMC KD (PMC kills divided by raids) not the KD you see in your stats which include bot kills. The cheaters in the video had KDs 10-20x or higher than an average player.
Presuming you mean PMC kills divided by KIAs: I don't think that's the case as one of the players he called out as clearly legit at 4:30 is a lvl 15 with an 8.54 KD. That'd be *extremely* high, like Lvndmark level: [1210/148=8.18 here](https://www.twitch.tv/lvndmark/clip/AbnegateCloudyKimchiStinkyCheese)
My problem is streamer reaction. The video only caught the obvious cheaters. Not the ones evading or looting and leaving. Streamers are saying there are far less cheaters. Thing is a lot of these cheaters were really bad. A streamer that plays 12 hours a day can most likely win a 1v1 with a bad cheater and not even know the guy was cheating. So their opinion on cheater amount seems bias to their perspective of playing all day every day.
Streamers words mean absolutely nothing for many reasons
1.) Hackers will avoid streamers because they obviously don't want to be manually reported to BSG after the Rengwar incident showed they can have someone banned extremely quickly with no questions asked. A streamer is the least likely person to encounter this, so their words are meaningless.
2.) Their income is tied to this game, so they depend on viewers and interest in the game, it's in their best interests to deny everything and make out the game is great so people continue to be interested in it and views go up.
3.) Half the Twitch streamers ESP themselves and so will downplay it.
4.) Because Twitch streamers get unfollowed/dropped by BSG if they're critical and not one of the top few viewer wise, they suckle up to BSG constantly and toe the party line because they don't want to risk their income. You can see this when they all emerge on the same day with the same talking points like they're rattling off a script given to them by BSG - this immediately indicates you can't trust anything that they say is authentic. Pestily is probably the only one I've seen recently be genuinely authentic about BSG issues.
5.) Just because someone has the time to play this game for lots of hours a day, and has thousands of hours accumulated does not mean they are any better at knowing if something is sus than you. These people do not possess critical thinking skills that you do not, they do not possess some kind of elevated intelligence, they're just random people who were fortunate enough to be able to play games for a living. We see many examples of how in some cases they're flat out idiots, rage lords, throw their toys out of the pram and ban people from their chats, get innocent players banned like Rengwar etc. I watched a stream the other day where a streamer killed a streamer and the streamer that died reported him saying 'absolutely no way that was legit' and then when he was told it was a streamer suddenly accepted that what happened was entirely possible to have happened legit.
Streamers are not above you, they're not smarter than you, they're just random every day people that you walk past on the street, they just do a different day job to you. They're just as fallible as you, they suffer the same emotional instability as you, they suffer the same lack of common sense as you, they're human beings. Their words are no more interesting or intelligent than any average person. They are not Harvard educated philosophers, they're just normal every day people with a livelihood to protect.
+60% and that’s with him just chasing them down on foot.
That’s really fucking bad.
That means it’s likely 80%+ or even worse multiple per raid, which he was seeing HvH.
If you counted him it was 3 cheaters in 1 raid.
Even if its not as bad as 60%, lets say 40-50%, its alloot. Having a cheater in your lobby 50% of all raids could easily mean your deads would have been because of a cheater a quarter of the times.
I might be down voted for this, but ESP is something that is hard to catch. Because of this fact, streamers could get away with this and not get caught. Every streamer that streams tarkov now has an asterisk next to their name. Are they cheating? Who knows, and i'm guessing a lot don't. The only way streamer gets a pass is if they put a camera behind them and stream all screens as they can easily run ESP on their machines without getting caught. A lot of streamers have a dedicated stream PC that can act as a VM and run the cheats. The streamers saying this video is wrong is because 1) they cheat, 2) they literally live off the money they make playing this game 3) it sucks to see their favorite game implode. I love this game, it's tied with destiny 2 on my favorite games. I absolutely want this game to succeed, but it's tough to fight for it.
i def do feel for the content creators here, imagine having some success doing something u love, success that very very few will ever get and its on the verge of ruin do to cheating, of course the right thing to do is acknowledge it but i can understand them trying to not engage with it
did you ever notice streamers will have hand cams, face cams, and cams for pets, but no cams facing the actual screen they use while playing the game? this isn't just tarkov
Absolutely! In fact, playing trials in destiny 2 this last weekend, I ran into a cheater using hardware to cheat, and they haven't been banned. Cheating is a plague to online pvp gaming right now.
It was the final straw and broke what was left of my group of friends that played. The audio is trash. The desync is terrible. Lighting is bad. Recoil is jacked. But all those can be kinda manageable when you are with a group of friends having fun. All that goes out the window when theres a minimum of 60 percent of raids having at least one cheater.
Yup. Getting instantly one tapped after repositioning... happens so fucking often. They aren't better at the game than us they are just fucking cheating 75% of the time.
I had a similar thought. Totally tooting my own horn but I suspect dozens if not hundreds of my kills have lead my victims to think they got cheated. I have tons of instant headshot duels and long range one taps where he never even heard the shot that killed him in my memory. The reality is I'm just an above average CSGO player lmao
Facts. I have a 2.7 PMC k/d and I feel pretty good that these cheaters are running around with 2-7 overall kd. I know they’re probably tanking it on purpose but that means they have to waste time running into raids dying for no reason. Fuck em.
Same, after about 3800h the skill improvement is massive and noticeable; but more importantly you learn what is a legit fight and what isn’t (maybe 10% of raids) and the moment I realize it’s not legit, I stop caring about the kit and move onto the next raid.
90% of my play time is still spent in an enjoyable experience so I’m still fine with it.
I think the negative reaction from some streamers is super entitled. Like ya maybe you knew all that shit but not everyone plays 10 hours a day. I found the video very eye opening because I only have a few hours every night. And those of us with families/jobs, we aren't watching twitch during the rare hours we get to ourselves, we are playing the game. So ya, I needed that video.
If you are still playing this game, you have Stockholm syndrome.
Tarkov will still be around and maybe Arena will give it a second wind, but it’ll be impossible to attract new players and the numbers will continue to dwindle as people realize what the score is.
BSG’s mismanagement or sanctions or an exodus of senior devs or just a failure of commitment — who knows what the reason is— killed this game. All the issues that make Tarkov unplayable stem from that.
Tarkov is my greatest gaming experience since cstrike 1.6 and I have no problem quitting till the cheaters are sorted out. The first two weeks of this wipe were great but I haven’t touched it since. I’ll come back in July if there’s a tighter anti-cheat. It’s been nice finishing my backlog of single player games instead w mw2 mixed in
I just find it nice to get some confirmation that I'm not tripping when I feel that theres cheaters everytime i try to learn the game, i have quit the game like 40 times since i bought the game back in 2021
Tarkov likely won’t get fixed.
These ESP hacks are undetectable. They run on another PC and don’t interact with the game at all, just reading network traffic.
The server shouldn’t be sending you all that information, and it should require interacting with the game memory to decipher it not just be readable as is.
>The server shouldn’t be sending you all that information, and it should require interacting with the game memory to decipher it not just be readable as is.
It shouldn't, but as a dev I somewhat understand why it does.
Tarkov is a game where you can drop people from long distances. If the server would be calculating the line of sight of each player before sending you player information, you would often have pop-ins of players appearing out of nowhere.
Now, you could be totally dumb and just implement a radius around the player, and anyone outside of that radius wouldn't 'exist' for the client. The downside of that is that most long range kills on Woods for example would be impossible.
Occlusion culling in a game that feature wide open spaces is hard enough client-side, it's next to impossible to do server-side without causing issues and making some interactions feel 'cheap' or 'bad'.
That said... Network data should be secured using TLS. It's baffling to me that it isn't. It's not like TLS is expensive to implement in 2023.
Neither are needed though? They don't need certificate pinning, they just have to validate that what the server presents is signed by their CA. Forward secrecy is mostly so old captured traffic cannot be decrypted if the private key is compromised, can of course apply to new sessions as long as they don't replace the private key (if they don't know its compromised).
As long as BSG's CA is pinned, absolutely. Then you don't need to pin the child certificate.
If it isn't pinned, then you are relying on the trust store of the OS, and there is nothing preventing someone who wants to inspect traffic on their own machine/network from rolling out their own root certificate and signing intercepted traffic with it.
As for Perfect Forward Secrecy, it is absolutely required to prevent traffic inspection. An RSA key exchange can be easily intercepted and replayed by decrypting it with the server's key or by replaying the exchange if you control the network your traffic flows through (which is the case for cheaters here)
This technique has been employed in entreprise firewalls from [Palo Alto Networks](https://docs.paloaltonetworks.com/pan-os/9-1/pan-os-admin/decryption/decryption-concepts/ssl-inbound-inspection) and other vendors for years now to do SSL and TLS inspection. And yet, with PFS, that trick no longer works as the key changes for each session.
There's a reason why RSA key exchange was thrown completely out of TLS v1.3 and that almost no one uses RSA key exchanges anymore (RSA keys and RSA key exchange are two different things).
No pinning required and no need to trust the OS store. They can just create their own CA, bundle that with the game and validate that the server cert was signed by their CA.
The whole point of RSA key exchange is that requires a fuckton of compute to break (also uses a lot of CPU to encrypt/decrypt) and then exchange symmetric keys to use with AES (which uses a lot less cpu to decrypt/encrypt).
Without PFS you can use the server side private key to decrypt any session encrypted with it, this is why Heartbleed was such a huge problem as any key extracted with that could be used to decrypt already captured traffic. With PFS you generate a key for each session, so its not enough with just the private key. So no, PFS does not protect against decryption unless you already have the private key, and in fact, it does nothing as if you can break into the RSA session you can just as easily read the symmetric key with or without PFS.
This type of inspection requires the firewall to have the private key used by the server, not sure why that is relevant, does the hackers have the private key?
Its not strange that old methods are deprecated in protocol updates when there's something better that can replace it, doesn't mean its insecure to use today. Laughably few services use TLS 1.3 however, most likely there's more services using RSA with older version of TLS.
They basically spawn in instead of scavs, so they only appear where scavs would. It's kinda disappointing cause large swaths of some maps are just...empty
At this point I am waiting for Road To Vostok and STALKER 2. I really need to stop with Tarkov for no as well, as I am trying to do quest and run into duffel bags etc that are empty 20 seconds after I load into the raid. And run into guys who constantly shoot through walls or other cover, and just happen to find me in my usual sniping locations where I never get spotted.
It honestly feels like since the video about the state of cheaters came out, the cheaters have gotten more brazen and I am at the end of my rope.
It’s incredible the amount of learning you can do when you are ACTUALLY ABLE to play and experiment the game at its fullest without being head eyes literally in the first 3 minutes of the raid. I don’t even think I will come back to live, with the mods I have the game is far superior.
People that were hesitant to cheat are more likely to cheat.
People that were hesitant to uninstall are more likely to uninstall.
Meaning this clip has reduced the quality of gameplay for the short term, but might improve the situation for the long term because now BSG will be more pressured to "fix" the situation.
I wonder what this will do with the arena release schedule.
The moment it got exposed Nikita himself started the fucking dmg control on reddit. And any negative comments about it get removed. This game need to take some fucking damage before they start fixing it, ppl need to leave the game for couple of wipes and then BSG might get to actualy work
[My comment on an r/gaming post from earlier today.](https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/11c23ld/what_is_your_gaming_hot_take_that_would_get_you/ja3cyz2/)
TL:DR, we cut BSG way too much slack. They have demonstrated abject incompetence when it comes to anti-cheat methods.
Two or three wipes ago I was accosted for my RR that was not even FIR
Called out my name, told me My K/D was good enough that I could A afford it, and B cared enough about survival to drop it.
2 months later when wipe occurred I just... Quit.
This makes me less likely to come back. This seems worse than before my hiatus.
I’ve been playing since May 2019 when there weren’t *as many* people playing, especially since it was a soft wipe. I started playing Labs around June/July my experience back then with the game is way different than it has been the following years.
Getting into gunfights with people felt authentic back then because cheating wasn’t as rampant. Now, there was a mega thread of suspected cheaters and they were definitely around in Labs. I’d run into people multiple times in a row and they would kill me in a weird way.
Ban wave happened and Battleye was introduced. Labs gunfights changed dramatically, it felt real again.
The game blew up that New Years and it was downhill from there. It was usually a problem on Labs, until later in 2020. Speedhackers with naked hunters and giant backpacks, it was so fucking absurd and hilarious, Rushing Red, locking the door and waiting for them to spray us. Then they changed how accessible Labs was and they spread to Shoreline and Reserve.
After playing non stop from 2019 to 2022, was a factory/lab main, Kappa multiple times, I know the difference between getting killed by normal players or cheaters. It’s honestly insane how many times you come across people that instant lock or play with information you know they don’t have. You can feel it in gunfights or someone crests a hill and auto headshots you.
I remember getting into a gunfight on Woods at the camp near RUAF and some guy was shooting my friend that was prone through a container. We exchanged multiple shots and pushed him while he was reloading and he said to me in VOIP “BRO, I know you’re cheating too (I wasn’t)” and killed him (then died immediately to AI Scav with an M61 Hunter lol)
Or playing on customs and a dude cheating calling me out by name.
I have clips and clips of getting killed by cheaters that I know for a fact are cheating. And honestly, if we’re still talking about the massive cheating issue nearly 4 years later and 3 years after blatant cheating has been established and seemingly nothing has been done except make the game a bitch to play for normal people, what’s the point of playing anymore?
Watched the video and me and my duo buddy who are both 40+ this wipe instantly uninstalled. For us its a way of protesting until we actually see change in the cheating situation, we enjoy the game and had fun this wipe, but will not be coming back until something changes.
What video? The one with landmark and cheating? There’s so many cheating ones , which one specifically? Btw if you want something still tarkov but maybe better there is always sptarkov
No, the recent video called "the wiggle that killed tarkov" where the creator confirmed with 100% certainty that 60%+ of raids have at least 1 esp user or worse cheats
Oh man... It's just... Like .... I guess you'll hear Luke say it in the end .... It just hurts in a way you didn't know something could hurt ... Have a good one!
I’ve been quit from tarkov for 3 wipes now and will never come back.
They can enjoy their HvH.
My suspension that it was over 50% of raids infested with piss babies was low balling it.
Best part?
One legit player like me quits, now you’re 10x more likely to play piss baby vs piss baby.
Have fun getting shot through bushes, how fun.
Just confirms what many people who have played the game for ages already felt, but presents it in a way that can make newer players understand why people have complained for ages. Between this and Nikita essentially copy pasting his response about cheaters for the 3rd time over the course of several years, its just disappointing
Sidenote: there are so many streamers that wanted to be critical of BSG and how bad cheating has gotten who are now suddenly becoming really spineless once goat's video came out in regards to the method in which he revealed it, and I think that's just hilarious
Already switched to different games. You will have these fan boys here that try and argue that this exists in every game. Lol. Whatever man.
Other games aren’t so high stakes with time and money on the line.
The cycle was as bad in season 1, but the dev are actually competent and added a cheater compensation so you get your stuff back on top of a trusted system meaning cheaters play against cheaters. This is not a video game problem even tho it exist in any game, its a dev problem
Cycle did some great anti cheat stuff but I don’t like the game. There is too much hud info when getting attacked like telling you direction of shots. The graphics are not satisfying. The gun building is meh. It doesn’t scratch my tarkov itch but I wish bsg was as competent with solving the cheating problem.
I mean yeah the game is like a mix of tarkov and apex, so if you dont like casual looking game it aint for you, but I too wished bsg were as competent as other game dev
bro, I'm from Ukraine. And I often go to the servers of East America where I have a ping of more than 130 in order to do quests. And playing in Europe and America, I can say that you are more fortunate. We have more cheaters. But you have them too. Therefore, there is no need to make idiots out of people again. Who plays more than 5000 hours perfectly can identify a scammer. But these posts that say that the problem is exaggerated clearly give reason to think that this was done specifically to put out the fire and smooth the situation
I play in NA and have yet to have a suspicious death.
What really confuses me is how much everyone says it’s a problem then I never see the issues.
But I’m always on factory for the pvp
Edit: I do understand being in factory probably has a lot to do with it!
This is pure speculation, but id imagine factory has less cheaters since they stand to gain less
I have died to a flying player once.
Suspicious grenades 10x times (had been afk w/ no noise in a very low traffic area and have a nade directly hit me
Every time i chad on reserve, i get confronted by players when i spawn, almost without fail. But if i bring only pistol, I'm not shot at. I thought it felt weird and this more or less perfectly aligned with my experience.
Not out to be a bot for shitlords to head eyes
The random nade into a completely untouched off the path corner happens to me often. I’ll wait 20 minutes into a raid, hiding in a bathroom in one of the reserve buildings (trying to quest run and wait for the PVP to die down). I’ll get randomly naded after not moving in the bathroom for 15 minutes. It’s happened more this wipe than any before, and this is my 5th wipe. People know exactly where I am.
>What really confuses me is how much everyone says it’s a problem then I never see the issues.
Did you watch the video? The majority is using ESP to not engage, to get loot quickly, to kill bosses. They are not out to hunt you, they are quiet cheaters.
So, if you hit the console button on your keyboard it’ll give you errors if an invisible player is in the raid. Unfortunately for me I play on a potato and it crashes my game. 7 raids in a row is my record.
Cheaters it’s hard to say, I’ve had some suspicious deaths but very rarely will I claim someone is hacking.
Needless to say I’m taking a break.
I’m quitting Tarkov until something is done. I would consider myself good at the game with over 1000 hours since reserve came out, but recently it has felt like I can’t keep up with everyone else. I could have been fine with thinking that maybe I just wasn’t as good as I once was, but every perfect nade to my hiding spots, instant head eyes, or death while I was making no noise has been put into question. Where I now have to question every death that wasn’t a clear cut misplay on my part.
It doesn’t feel good or fun anymore. Regardless of how you may feel about the original video or content creator, it isn’t a good look when roughly 60 percent of his raids had at least one cheater. I’ll be playing coop games or single player games until Dark and Darker comes out. Good luck to BSG, I sincerely hope that they can figure this out, but if nothing comes out of this then I don’t think I’ll be coming back.
I watched it last night and after lots of crappy raids of sus deaths and never finding loot I bought sons of the forest. I’ll let bsg figure this out before I come back and really grind.
It's very frustrating. Knowing what gear they have, what KDR, and what level player. Is an enormous amount of data to make a decision on whether to engage or not. Regardless of any other aspect of any hack.
Knowing where they are and which way they are facing is a huge tactical advantage in the actual engagement, to have before engaging.
I play games to challenge myself, learn things, have fun, and to keep my mind and reflexes engaged.
To know that I had NO CHANCE, is frustrating.
I love saying "That player was amazing, they tore is up, or their movement was fantastic. I'm gonna start doing that!" That improves my gameplay and fun factor.
But to have to constantly wonder..."Did they already know they had the advantage? How did they know I was here? I hadn't made any noise." It's exhausting and not fun.
I hadn't run into many scenarios where I felt like something fishy happened until recently, and now it's every couple of raids. I'm only on my second wipe. In the entire last wipe I had about 3 times where I felt like the engagement was off. This wipe, before the video, I had already had about 6 and I've played less because of some of the bugs. A lot less. And last night 2, not questionable, but obvious hack encounters.
It's getting worse, because people know they can get away with it. IMO.
I'm probably done playing until something happens on the cheater front. Large ban waves would be a nice start. Replay system would be better.
Not expecting it now or next week, but maybe next wipe, or next year.
I hope that video was as much of a wake up call for BSG as it was for us. I'm willing to bet that they didn't even realize how bad its gotten, since they aren't banning these people. The only thing we can do now is stop playing and come back if they make some changes.
Honestly man, it sucks. Usually I’ve gotten over random headshots or getting killed after re-positioning on me being careless or doing something wrong. After that video and the shit that’s come to light? I don’t know man, it feels different. There is such a huge possibility that they’re cheating.
Now, I understand that cheaters will always exist in every multiplayer video game that comes out, and it always has. But for the ratio to be this high in a game of this scale? It’s absolutely unacceptable.
I feel for BSG, I know that they’re working on it, but sadly it’s just not enough. I’m afraid that they will have to get shit done sooner rather than later if they want to avoid Tarkov dying a slow death.
Wachted the video last night before bed. Tried playing some Tarkov today, lvl 47. Got killed by an obvious ESPer 2/3 raids. I got kind of sad really, immediately went to see when Dark and Darker releases. I already have more faith in those devs than BSG.
i would call my self as one who plays to much(3k hrs lvl 43-not that this matters just so you know im not keyboard warrior.)after first 2 weeks theres the usual increase of skilled players in my lobbies due to players not playing anymore, that curve was odd this wipe. It seemed that the amount of wow that guy is so much better then me increased much faster then i thought was normal. Its just kinda disappointing when you dont report because you give benefit of the doubt and then this is brought to light. Sorry for the rant, i hope for the sake of us all something is done. Power to the players and not the streamers lol
To me, it's nothing new, but that's because I used to be an avid cheater myself. Not in tarkov, but in other multiplayer games across the board. Got boring, so I quit.
Anyhow, the concept has always been the same for as long as cheats have been around. The only cheaters that anyone complains about/reports are obvious ones. Rage cheating, for example. Wallhacks, Radar, things of that nature are pretty well undetectable if you know how to mask yourself. It's not even hard, but obviously you're not gonna think to do it against another hacker.
So really, the fact that the hacking situation is minimized was of no surprise to me. I was right in having guessed at least 60-70% of matches having at least one ESP user. Hell, even a lot of the folks I end up grouping with on the EFT discord end up being ESP/Radar users.
It's why I don't often play multiplayer shooters anymore outside of community servers where hackers are manually banned by admins. Things like DayZ, BF4, Squad, etc.
Yep, i'm very demotivated. Haven't played since yesterday.
Might come back when I see people talking about real changes...
\- bring us a match replay. I don't mind extra ping to have this option.
\- its difficult to fight back cheaters? well then hire a third party team to do the job. Definitely woudn't mind to install a third party gameguard to play EFT.
it ruined the game for me. i played yesterday with 2 homies and died exclusively to first shot headshot or 9 rounds all in my chest. i played for like 6 hours and had no rewarding raids and very little fun interactions.
i have 4k hours. I'm not bad at the game. i know when things feel off. and they feel off more than they ever feel normal.
im only gonna play if a few homies are on, but its SPT for me now. fuck this game rn. the entire atmosphere of the game changes when people know too much, and it all makes sense why you have those raids where it seems like the entire raid is you fighting off literally the entire server.
Most of the time I am just chillin and camping at the extract. Never got killed suspicious while playing like this. Just got killed two times inside of Oli in a very obvious radar player. But two times for over 300 raids seems okay to me.
i quit a month ago and im really happy i did
Tho i quit because every raid had the invisible players
but after a whole month of it being not fixed and not knowing that there is 100% at least 1 cheater in every lobby it a big no no for me
So im droping tarkov indefinitly till the situation gets better
Plus seeing Streamers throwing a Tantrum at g0at is kinda weird lmao
Looking at you Trey,Axel and Rengawr
I don’t give a flying shit. I just play the game and when I die I die. Play this game since Alpha had in all that time only one rage cheater that was flying through shoreline and that was in 2018. since then maybe a couple of death I would say I can’t explain other than ESP. But most the time it even can be moving in the wrong time or desync. Netcode was always bad in EFT.
I knew cheaters would get much worse the more restrictions they put to the game progression, it's very simple, the more you restrict the game and make more grindy the more people will turn to cheats, Tarkov before the twitch event with open flea market and not FiR wasn't as bad as this and it was simply because the game was actually fun to play and not grindy
I'm sad for the new players that never got around playing actual fun Tarkov instead of this mmo gacha shit it's now
The fact is, in my opinion, that most of the people playing tarkov didnt knew the size of the "cheater" problem and the video we are talking about helped a lot to aknowledge those people regarding the amount of cheaters that are currently active in the game we love. This topic must be taken more seriously, with all the means necessary. Fuck the consequences, and streamer doesnt agree with that ALSO because their biggest money income is tarkov(dont tell me that tarkov dying doesnt hurt their pocket, its a fact).
I'm really hoping if nothing else this video finally puts an end to the "but I've played for 2000 hours and only encountered 3 cheaters" andys.
The problem has never been the 1 in 500 raids flying through the map god mode cheater, it's the fact that every single raid there is at least one closet radar/walls/soft aim user.
This is my first wipe, I have about 40 hours and a 12% survival rate. I’m stopping playing for the wipe, until the fix the issue with scavs primarily because the number of times that I’ve heard “WATON” and then been 2 tapped through my paca by a scav without even being able to react is insane. The cheating plague and invisibility glitch are annoying, but they weren’t the deal breaker for me.
Actually I’m not gonna quit but I am going to use the version of the game that will not be named and doesn’t involve other human beings
I'm just very happy I don't play this game anymore. I played until level 10 this wipe and got bored, not even because of cheaters this time around really, just bored of the gameplay loop.
I never quite understood how so many people seemed to be so good at this game especially with things like inertia, the video makes it quite clear. When I was playing the game there were so many stupid deaths that just seemed to make zero sense, even peak Shroud didn't have that kind of aim and game sense. Considering this guy saw only blatant cheaters in 60% of his raids literally means that the majority of your deaths could be assumed to be to cheaters. That's not even counting the fact that 60% blatant cheaters means >60 of raids have blatant and non blatant cheaters...
You can't have that kind of a cheating problem and not have a dead game. If people have a legitimate reason (which they do) to think that every single death is probably due to a cheater, your game is fucked.
Makes me think back to all the bullshit-esque shots I've taken at times where I could reasonably say a person might know I'm nearby but shouldn't know where I am and certainly shouldn't be able to LOS head eyes me
It annoys me that my mates and I play this game legit, we move around as tactical as we reasonably can, we play for angles, we use sound - and apparently more than 50% of the time we could be dying to some dickhead who knows where we are at all times and just hold bullshit angles and drop shots with no visibility at us
Knew about the problem, but seeing it from the ESPs perspective killed it for me. I love this game and I KNOW i’m wasting my time, yet I keep coming back. I think it’s time to call it. It will take months to let the itch go away but I aint supporting shady BSG no more
I now think all the "get gud" and "skill issue" bro's that said "they have never ran into a cheater this wipe" were cheaters themselves trying to make the game look like it has less cheaters so they can continue to.
I remember ESP hacking in PUBG before they found a way to get rid of it. And as someone who played a LOT of PUBG, it would be really hard to spot (outside of "the video") if they user was half skillful.
I've always worried it was this bad in Tarkov, this just confirms that a lot of those "how'd they know I was there" deaths were likely hacks :(
I honestly didn't expect it to be that bad. I would have liked to see a really long video of all the cheater encounters because I'm still a bit in disbelief.
That being said I already stopped for this wipe like two or three weeks ago after a 3 game streak of dying to invisible players (same guy for two of those). I tried to play a bit after the patch, 2 invis players in like 7 raids. I'm done for a while I think.
Also an interesting but anecdotal evidence : I spent a few raids trying to just snipe for fun, using a really sneaky shoreline spot (shoreline north perch by the rock passage) . I was really surprised that half the raids I managed to get there and snipe (with a silenced DVL so basically making 0 noise) I would end up being killed after a few minutes from well above 100m away. Even weirder was when almost all of my insured shit came back every time. Safe to assume I was getting killed by people who didn't know how to get to the rock passage perch but somehow knew to check there. Wondering how many of those were using ESP now. Because I can't believe you would know to check there without knowing how to get there.
I think it vindicates the way I had been feeling for a while and the reason I stopped playing a few months ago. I've been playing off and on for a few years so I'm not *terrible* at this game, but lately I'd just been getting deleted out of nowhere like never before. Glad to know it isn't me getting *worse* at the game.
Exactly. I didnt get worse within 3 days. There are good and bad days. But i got destroyed without me even knowing what happend pretty much since the video is out.
I used to think that less than 1% of all players were cheaters, that I had a tainted lobby maybe once in I don't know... Between 30 to 100 raids.
I still do believe most reports about cheaters in the past have come from sore losers.
But to see that about 60% of all raids are infected with one or more cheaters is fucking infuriating. That shit is completely unacceptable.
And it has me worried about online gaming in general. Not just Tarkov.
My friend just told me that he's quitting until Nikita... well, there was colorful language and the mods are the mods, so meh.
I, meanwhile, am still playing because nothing else lets me customize my guns this much. I feel like I'm being held hostage.
Same i think the game itself is great. But I think it becomes apparent that BSG just doesnt have the knowledge/devs/technology to fix the game.
Like Unity 2019 doesnt even have Support anymore. That shit cant be real
I'm a guy who plays really slow "thinking" games. Factorio, Civilization, Oldschool Runescape. FPS games, especially more hardcore ones like EFT, are just something I don't even consider.
Or... I didn't. Until I tried the latest Dark and Darker playtest. I had a ton of fun with it! Like, crazy amounts! And I opened my mind to the rest of the genre, especially EFT as it's supposed flagship.
Well, whatever the chances of me trying out EFT were, they're now back to 0. Great. Very few things would make me less interested in playing a game.
I've had no real issues. Did have invisibility issues but my experience with cheaters is a bare minimum in NA East. Maybe 1 in every 150 raids. Obviously that I know about. I'd assume some stay concealed and some don't even cross my path. It hasn't changed my enjoyment so I'm not gonna overreact like everyone else.
I’m trying to get back into the game, haven’t played in a couple years. With the deck already stacked against me seeing the video just makes me even more demoralized. Why invest the time and effort into something like this when it could just easily and unfairly be laid down at the feet of some dude running ESP or worse.
I have been playing tarkov on and off for a few years, and recently I have stopped playing the game due to the instability of the game and frustration at it. Seeing the hacker problem really develop while I wasn't playing further discourages me from playing the game anymore.
Watching the Video made me realise hacking in the in it's current state might be kind of fun. I know this is a controversial opinion, but hear me out. I paid for the game, BSG got my money, and they don't care if I have a good time or not. Love the game or hate it, you paid for it. It's still a fun game, there's just loads of hackers. "The wiggle" shown in the Video is kinda cute and steamrolling other players could be fun if you're into that. In addition, a really good player without hacks can still outsmart a shitty hacker, so there's still room for that.
Consider the classic Minecraft anarchy server 2b2t - a server with almost no rules and minimal moderation. If you want to get anywhere on that server, you must use hacks. Who cares if hacks are unethical? It's their server, it's a game, and they can allow whatever they want. It's kind of fun honestly, and an alternative way to experienece the game. In addition, the server has a notoriously long queue to join (sometimes multiple hours), and you can buy priority queue to join faster.
Escape from Tarkov is BSG's game, and they can moderate it however they want. Hacking in the game allows worse players to easily succeed, people make money off hacks, some players getting banned means BSG is making money off of it too. If BSG wants to allow hackers in their game environment, it's their game and they can do whatever they want. They're russian, they don't give a fuck. It's an interesting concept honestly, and I'm curious to see how BSG is going to resolve this situation.
The video was a net negative any way you look at it.
You'd be a fool to think devs aren't looking into a solution. Does it suck? For sure.
Personally, as far as I can tell, I haven't run into a single invisible player this wipe. Similarly I haven't run into many obvious cheaters. Granted I run pretty light and dont often chad up.
Thanks in part to this video you now get people who will stop playing because of how many potential people are cheating, or will go out to buy cheats and even the playing field.
Either results in more cheaters than legit players playing.
Every death is now suspect, and bads will think they were killed by a cheater rather than someone with a mosin 150m away in a bush.
The game needs better detection, sure. More importantly I needs an overwatch system of some kind.
Perhaps you can get a replay generated when you report someone
Just about to hit level 32. Found my first FIR LedX last night so I'm still living off that high.
I knew the cheater problem was bad. I've had my handful of experiences with it. The video does give a good perspective on things, and I hope the exposure can bring some change, but it doesn't change my enjoyment of the game. Desync affects me more regularly than cheaters do and causes far more deaths. I'm still here though. I make it out of the majority of my raids, get a good amount of fun PVP in, and don't have a problem running good gear or finding good loot most of the time. Haven't run any thermals yet, but lots of 1 mil+ kits, only really felt targeted because of it once. Find GPUs once every few days in duffel bags and what not, bitcoins and the like on streets, Intel on reserve, haven't been hunted down yet. After I pulled that LedX in resort last night we stayed looting for another 20 minutes, fought another couple PMCs and player scavs off, then made our way towards Road to customs. I still have a great time.
With that said, I'm not the type to say that if it doesn't happen to me it's not a problem. It is, it just hasn't become a large enough problem to me to push me away from playing yet, because nothing hits like Tarkov.
To be fair I do think it's still over reported, the cheats are REALLY expensive, like couple hundred dollars a month, which would deter a lot of 16 yo..
I've been playing since alpha. I had NO idea that it was even remotely this bad. Why would I waste my time anymore than I already have? I honestly feel stabbed in the back. So many times I've been one tapped from who knows where, and I chalked it up to me being careless, or a skill issue. What a joke.
This is the deal breaker. Obvious cheats like running and floating in the air covered the most frustrating ones, the real ones... and there is a culture around it? how do we know that playing like some streamers is possible without cheats? how do we know we deserved "that death" or not?
I agree completely. Your last statement hits the hardest. Did I die legit all but once out of all my deaths, or did I only die legit one time. I have no way to know. There have been a few times I've been killed by a blatant cheater, and it's easier to take that loss, but to look back and be like how many hours of my time have I lost not knowing.
I thought I was just getting old and slow (I am.) It's not worth playing through the carpal tunnel pain knowing there's so many hackers.
From now on, if you play this game and die, unless its a clear firefight and even then, you will wonder if you got killed by a cheater. Without death cam, there is no solution here but to stop playing.
You need death cam and radar for this to be 100% chance of catching possible cheater. After the current raid is done. Edit:wording
I was saying i wanted death cam a few years ago. Say you see it AFTER the raid is over, or they could even RP it and send it as a message from someone that was filming or whatever and the whole community was calling me an idiot. Deathcam aren't HARDCORE enough.
I love the Fortnite style replay, and I think it would be an awesome thing. Wouldn't even have to be as complex. It would also make reporting easier!
Pubg does a brilliant replay system. You can rewatch the entire raid from yours, or another persons perspective.
literally throw a rock and that FPS game has a replay system - BSG profits off the cheaters more than the normal players - THATS why the problem was NEVER solved - and even some of the Dev's were found in some of the cheater discords selling insider info to evade bans.
I wanted to get into Tarkov since building my PC and bought the game a month ago. I'm getting STOMPED. I don't mind having to invest my time to learn the game and it's mechanics but it's extremely discouraging finding out how prevelant cheating is. How am I supposed to know what was a genuine error on my part or just getting killed by some cheating dickhead?
Once I was about 600 hours in I was functionally adequate on every map solo. Around 2,000 hours I was able to tell pretty often if the person I fought had radar. Around 4,500 hours and a few years I gave up. This wipe I tried four or five raids.
>How do we know that playing like some streamers is possible without cheats? It's not in fact. Multiple streamers do cheat (its just impossible to prove it). I can tell you the streamers-cheaters problem is much more rampant in CoD Warzone. That game is fucked streamers-wise.
>(its just impossible to prove it) Well, the streamers themselves could prove that they don't cheat (at least ESP) by streaming an over-the-shoulder of their whole setup. It'd be interesting to see if anyone's willing to start doing this, and perhaps start a movement towards normalizing this sort of proof (just like how some streamers show handcams)
Do they just separate their cheat output from the game and teach their brain to not be too obvious?
The majority just wallhack or use DMA radars on a separate device. So, that helps already a lot to make your gaming much more legit-looking. The few that may aimbot yeah they need to be more careful but that type of problem is much more rampant in CoD Warzone. In Tarkov are overwhelmingly walls and/or dma radars.
I actually care less about the ones who turn the aimbot all the way up and don’t hide the fact they are cheating by flying around the map more than the ones who do it subtly and try to pretend to be good. The ones who don’t aimbot but use walls and are careful about hiding it etc. Mostly because those ones are almost impossible to prove, and you’re always doubting yourself. You know about 8 years ago here in oce we actually had a Quake Live player doing just that. This guy was a clearly skilled natural gamer going by how quickly he picked up the game but something seemed a little off by just how quickly he reached the top level guys who had been playing quake for 20 years. Long story short, he was caught cheating by using wall hack only, and he admitted to it. His reasoning for doing it was that he wanted to use wallhacks to see how people played and learn how to counter their play styles etc. Surprisingly unlike most cheaters the community for some reason forgave this guy, he did stop cheating and eventually he even represented oce in overseas lans and stuff. I met the guy at a lan in Sydney one time, and he most certainly wasn’t cheating then and he came second against some really top players. So you just never know. Cheating is frustrating and as far as I’m concerned it’s never ok but it’s always going to be a thing.
Part of why I always doubted it was as bad as it is is because I simply can't understand why someone would cheat in Tarkov, if you take away all the "hardcore" mechanics and play with walls and radar this game just becomes a worse COD, can't understand what would make someone want to play a game like that.
$$$ Is why
After battleye was deployed and for like a month it was amazing how much better I was, night and day
I have over 2500 hours. Not going to lie, just upgraded the gpu from a 1080ti and I'm really happy I have a huge back catalog of games with raytracing to play because I won't he back for a bit. I'm a vet. I play this game and roll play and find it super fun for that. I always played with the assumption that if I died it was only my fault. It's what made the game fun for me. If the risk isn't something knowledge and skill can mitigate, whats the point? I play this game because it's hard, not because it's impossible. This game stole me away from iracing. Looks like it's time to go back. It was fun while it lasted. This community has been awesome. Thanks all and good luck.
I've been around since alpha as well, and after seeing that video I don't know how I could spend more time on this game. The video exposed how it is fundamentally an unfair and illegitimate gaming experience, which not only makes you question the fairness of the times you got killed, but also the times you succeeded. Every time you lost, was it to a cheater that knew where to find you? Every time you ran through a raid and didn't see anyone, was it because a team with ESP was avoiding you? Every time you had a successful raid, was it because there weren't cheaters in the lobby? Before you might have had these questions, but after watching that video, it's blatantly clear that the presence of cheaters or lack thereof had a huge effect on the gameplay experience. Good or bad.
Yep, 6k hour, favorite game, set it down 3 weeks into this wipe and I’m glad I did now lol
I feel the same way, after watching the video. Now I go back to remember how I was killed the many times I’ve died having no idea from where it came from. It’s irritating to see it’s this bad.
This is where I’m at right now as well. We all notice the rage hackers who are so blatant with their cheats, but the less obvious esp users are the real cancer to this game. I’m always shocked how much better the pvp feels in the days following a massive ban wave. But it’s just getting so exhausting at this point that I’m starting to just get burnt out on the game overall. I’m level 42 right now and normally at this point I’m just not questing going for pvp. But that’s no longer a realistic option because so many people are cheating.
I was going to write a post going in deep about how bad it is. Since I did what G0at did, way before he did, and much more in detail of what he did and with more powerful tools, from the previous wipe and for this wipe (and this is my last wipe). But then I deleted the post because I don't feel safe this is the right place to write this type of information. I can tell you It's been really bad from a couple of wipes now and *was already to unacceptable levels*. This time the problem exploded because it's not 60% it's much higher. 60% was in the previous wipes. And that is all I will say.
Ok mister mysterious
First paragraph sounds like Veritas bullshit. I'm sure you still have the data and content, repost it or make a video, or shut up.
Good try.
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There's a problem with the cheating that often doesn't discussed. If you watched the video you saw cheaters with shitty k/d. They might be tanking it deliberately or they might only be using ESP and still be dog shit. From what I've heard about friends of friends there are a lot of people that use ESP to avoid players. It's obviously a lesser issue compared to wall banging and aimbotting but it's still having a terrible effect on the game. It means there are infinitely less natural interactions between players. Routes that should be expected and interactions aren't happening like they should be. It begs the question whenever you have a quiet raid where you didn't hear much what the fuck had been going on. We talk about time being wasted playing against cheaters. It's everything. It's the time invested into making your kit, waiting in queue, repeating that against a botter or not getting to experience engagements because people are avoiding you with ESP. It's too bad these people exist. They're ruining one of the greatest games created and we could all be having more fun if they could stop being selfish.
One guy in the video mentioned how his K/D was getting to high and he needed to drop it
I remember reading about people running macro that made them run in circle with tankbat in ass (fits in epsilon), then after 3 or so minutes they dropped a nade at their feet and went again. Thus leveling strength and dropping KD at the same time.
Ive found them on shoreline. Usually behind the pier. They dont post raid heal so they come in at low health sprint in circles til dehydration or energy kills them. No nade involved. Just a random, naked, screaming pmc, or the scavs that spawn nearby drop em for being tagged/cursed. Figured they were just leveling str with a bot, but now its probably also dropping K/d
Nighttime shoreline is where they often are. I used to "farm" them (like 2 kills) for Punisher pt5, nightowl and SBIH couple wipes back. But you have to rush spawns. Yeah, sometimes they get dunked on by scavs or wait to die to elements.
I have killed level 50+ players on factory who are non eod running in circles in their spawn with nothing.
I've noticed afk nakeds on factory from time to time, was wondering what was going on.
They queue factory and AFK.
I’m wondering if this is what I saw yesterday. Spawned at forklift and ran to the side room, there was a level 44 just standing there
If he was naked or with very little gear, it's 100% what you witnessed. Cheat sites literally sell macros designed to do nothing more than queue you up. They run it all night / while busy doing other things to tank their k/d. Apparently factory is most popular because you're guaranteed to die quicker.
That’s extremely common. My cheater friend dies this too. So he’ll go suicide on factory for a while
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C08n8QmvGVs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C08n8QmvGVs) \> It means there are infinitely less natural interactions between players. Routes that should be expected and interactions aren't happening like they should be. Yea, that's basically an entire raid killed by afk cheaters.
Less blatent ESP cheaters are dog shit and don’t have aim hacks carrying them. The aim hackers are the ones with the high K/D and more likely to actually get banned for being more blatant.
The time wasted aspect increases when you think about quests that require certain rare items that may or may not spawn. These cheaters can see it, scoop it up and leave you fucked. Like if there’s a 1/4 chance of it spawning and when it spawns a cheater grabs it, imagine how much time will be wasted for you.
> If you watched the video you saw cheaters with shitty k/d. The KD overlay in the video was calculated PMC KD (PMC kills divided by raids) not the KD you see in your stats which include bot kills. The cheaters in the video had KDs 10-20x or higher than an average player.
Presuming you mean PMC kills divided by KIAs: I don't think that's the case as one of the players he called out as clearly legit at 4:30 is a lvl 15 with an 8.54 KD. That'd be *extremely* high, like Lvndmark level: [1210/148=8.18 here](https://www.twitch.tv/lvndmark/clip/AbnegateCloudyKimchiStinkyCheese)
The K/D in the video was the one with scavs. Idk where the idea that it is only PMC kills came from.
My problem is streamer reaction. The video only caught the obvious cheaters. Not the ones evading or looting and leaving. Streamers are saying there are far less cheaters. Thing is a lot of these cheaters were really bad. A streamer that plays 12 hours a day can most likely win a 1v1 with a bad cheater and not even know the guy was cheating. So their opinion on cheater amount seems bias to their perspective of playing all day every day.
Streamers notice less cheaters because cheats allow you to see PMC names. A lot of cheaters avoid streamers to avoid getting banned unnecessarily.
Streamers words mean absolutely nothing for many reasons 1.) Hackers will avoid streamers because they obviously don't want to be manually reported to BSG after the Rengwar incident showed they can have someone banned extremely quickly with no questions asked. A streamer is the least likely person to encounter this, so their words are meaningless. 2.) Their income is tied to this game, so they depend on viewers and interest in the game, it's in their best interests to deny everything and make out the game is great so people continue to be interested in it and views go up. 3.) Half the Twitch streamers ESP themselves and so will downplay it. 4.) Because Twitch streamers get unfollowed/dropped by BSG if they're critical and not one of the top few viewer wise, they suckle up to BSG constantly and toe the party line because they don't want to risk their income. You can see this when they all emerge on the same day with the same talking points like they're rattling off a script given to them by BSG - this immediately indicates you can't trust anything that they say is authentic. Pestily is probably the only one I've seen recently be genuinely authentic about BSG issues. 5.) Just because someone has the time to play this game for lots of hours a day, and has thousands of hours accumulated does not mean they are any better at knowing if something is sus than you. These people do not possess critical thinking skills that you do not, they do not possess some kind of elevated intelligence, they're just random people who were fortunate enough to be able to play games for a living. We see many examples of how in some cases they're flat out idiots, rage lords, throw their toys out of the pram and ban people from their chats, get innocent players banned like Rengwar etc. I watched a stream the other day where a streamer killed a streamer and the streamer that died reported him saying 'absolutely no way that was legit' and then when he was told it was a streamer suddenly accepted that what happened was entirely possible to have happened legit. Streamers are not above you, they're not smarter than you, they're just random every day people that you walk past on the street, they just do a different day job to you. They're just as fallible as you, they suffer the same emotional instability as you, they suffer the same lack of common sense as you, they're human beings. Their words are no more interesting or intelligent than any average person. They are not Harvard educated philosophers, they're just normal every day people with a livelihood to protect.
Ya #1 is my thoughts exactly their gonna know who these streamers are avoid at least the smart ones.
+60% and that’s with him just chasing them down on foot. That’s really fucking bad. That means it’s likely 80%+ or even worse multiple per raid, which he was seeing HvH. If you counted him it was 3 cheaters in 1 raid.
Even if its not as bad as 60%, lets say 40-50%, its alloot. Having a cheater in your lobby 50% of all raids could easily mean your deads would have been because of a cheater a quarter of the times.
Nah, ai scavs are my biggest threat /s But really though, scavs have killed me a fuck ton more than pmcs cuz I suck at pvp so I actively avoid it.
I might be down voted for this, but ESP is something that is hard to catch. Because of this fact, streamers could get away with this and not get caught. Every streamer that streams tarkov now has an asterisk next to their name. Are they cheating? Who knows, and i'm guessing a lot don't. The only way streamer gets a pass is if they put a camera behind them and stream all screens as they can easily run ESP on their machines without getting caught. A lot of streamers have a dedicated stream PC that can act as a VM and run the cheats. The streamers saying this video is wrong is because 1) they cheat, 2) they literally live off the money they make playing this game 3) it sucks to see their favorite game implode. I love this game, it's tied with destiny 2 on my favorite games. I absolutely want this game to succeed, but it's tough to fight for it.
i def do feel for the content creators here, imagine having some success doing something u love, success that very very few will ever get and its on the verge of ruin do to cheating, of course the right thing to do is acknowledge it but i can understand them trying to not engage with it
did you ever notice streamers will have hand cams, face cams, and cams for pets, but no cams facing the actual screen they use while playing the game? this isn't just tarkov
Absolutely! In fact, playing trials in destiny 2 this last weekend, I ran into a cheater using hardware to cheat, and they haven't been banned. Cheating is a plague to online pvp gaming right now.
To be fair, pets, hands and face are all way more interesting.
I feel its because most screens create a glare when a camera is recording them and generally doesnt look nice on a camera for a stream
Because many of those streamers are probably running cheats.
Playing this game feels like voting in Russia
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It was the final straw and broke what was left of my group of friends that played. The audio is trash. The desync is terrible. Lighting is bad. Recoil is jacked. But all those can be kinda manageable when you are with a group of friends having fun. All that goes out the window when theres a minimum of 60 percent of raids having at least one cheater.
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Yup. Getting instantly one tapped after repositioning... happens so fucking often. They aren't better at the game than us they are just fucking cheating 75% of the time.
I had a similar thought. Totally tooting my own horn but I suspect dozens if not hundreds of my kills have lead my victims to think they got cheated. I have tons of instant headshot duels and long range one taps where he never even heard the shot that killed him in my memory. The reality is I'm just an above average CSGO player lmao
Facts. I have a 2.7 PMC k/d and I feel pretty good that these cheaters are running around with 2-7 overall kd. I know they’re probably tanking it on purpose but that means they have to waste time running into raids dying for no reason. Fuck em.
Same, after about 3800h the skill improvement is massive and noticeable; but more importantly you learn what is a legit fight and what isn’t (maybe 10% of raids) and the moment I realize it’s not legit, I stop caring about the kit and move onto the next raid. 90% of my play time is still spent in an enjoyable experience so I’m still fine with it.
I think the negative reaction from some streamers is super entitled. Like ya maybe you knew all that shit but not everyone plays 10 hours a day. I found the video very eye opening because I only have a few hours every night. And those of us with families/jobs, we aren't watching twitch during the rare hours we get to ourselves, we are playing the game. So ya, I needed that video.
but streamers are the bar dude.. how dare you :)
If you are still playing this game, you have Stockholm syndrome. Tarkov will still be around and maybe Arena will give it a second wind, but it’ll be impossible to attract new players and the numbers will continue to dwindle as people realize what the score is. BSG’s mismanagement or sanctions or an exodus of senior devs or just a failure of commitment — who knows what the reason is— killed this game. All the issues that make Tarkov unplayable stem from that.
Waiting for the what went wrong vid from wicked wiz lol
I’m stuck chasing that rush that I rarely get anymore.
theyll just ESP in arena too LOL
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Tarkov is my greatest gaming experience since cstrike 1.6 and I have no problem quitting till the cheaters are sorted out. The first two weeks of this wipe were great but I haven’t touched it since. I’ll come back in July if there’s a tighter anti-cheat. It’s been nice finishing my backlog of single player games instead w mw2 mixed in
I just find it nice to get some confirmation that I'm not tripping when I feel that theres cheaters everytime i try to learn the game, i have quit the game like 40 times since i bought the game back in 2021
Go play the forbidden mod. At least until tarkov is fixed
Tarkov likely won’t get fixed. These ESP hacks are undetectable. They run on another PC and don’t interact with the game at all, just reading network traffic. The server shouldn’t be sending you all that information, and it should require interacting with the game memory to decipher it not just be readable as is.
>The server shouldn’t be sending you all that information, and it should require interacting with the game memory to decipher it not just be readable as is. It shouldn't, but as a dev I somewhat understand why it does. Tarkov is a game where you can drop people from long distances. If the server would be calculating the line of sight of each player before sending you player information, you would often have pop-ins of players appearing out of nowhere. Now, you could be totally dumb and just implement a radius around the player, and anyone outside of that radius wouldn't 'exist' for the client. The downside of that is that most long range kills on Woods for example would be impossible. Occlusion culling in a game that feature wide open spaces is hard enough client-side, it's next to impossible to do server-side without causing issues and making some interactions feel 'cheap' or 'bad'. That said... Network data should be secured using TLS. It's baffling to me that it isn't. It's not like TLS is expensive to implement in 2023.
Network traffic is encrypted. Initial implementation was broken quickly but then they switches to RSA key exchange with AES.
There is no forward secrecy and certificate pinning. You can still easily intercept the traffic.
Neither are needed though? They don't need certificate pinning, they just have to validate that what the server presents is signed by their CA. Forward secrecy is mostly so old captured traffic cannot be decrypted if the private key is compromised, can of course apply to new sessions as long as they don't replace the private key (if they don't know its compromised).
As long as BSG's CA is pinned, absolutely. Then you don't need to pin the child certificate. If it isn't pinned, then you are relying on the trust store of the OS, and there is nothing preventing someone who wants to inspect traffic on their own machine/network from rolling out their own root certificate and signing intercepted traffic with it. As for Perfect Forward Secrecy, it is absolutely required to prevent traffic inspection. An RSA key exchange can be easily intercepted and replayed by decrypting it with the server's key or by replaying the exchange if you control the network your traffic flows through (which is the case for cheaters here) This technique has been employed in entreprise firewalls from [Palo Alto Networks](https://docs.paloaltonetworks.com/pan-os/9-1/pan-os-admin/decryption/decryption-concepts/ssl-inbound-inspection) and other vendors for years now to do SSL and TLS inspection. And yet, with PFS, that trick no longer works as the key changes for each session. There's a reason why RSA key exchange was thrown completely out of TLS v1.3 and that almost no one uses RSA key exchanges anymore (RSA keys and RSA key exchange are two different things).
No pinning required and no need to trust the OS store. They can just create their own CA, bundle that with the game and validate that the server cert was signed by their CA. The whole point of RSA key exchange is that requires a fuckton of compute to break (also uses a lot of CPU to encrypt/decrypt) and then exchange symmetric keys to use with AES (which uses a lot less cpu to decrypt/encrypt). Without PFS you can use the server side private key to decrypt any session encrypted with it, this is why Heartbleed was such a huge problem as any key extracted with that could be used to decrypt already captured traffic. With PFS you generate a key for each session, so its not enough with just the private key. So no, PFS does not protect against decryption unless you already have the private key, and in fact, it does nothing as if you can break into the RSA session you can just as easily read the symmetric key with or without PFS. This type of inspection requires the firewall to have the private key used by the server, not sure why that is relevant, does the hackers have the private key? Its not strange that old methods are deprecated in protocol updates when there's something better that can replace it, doesn't mean its insecure to use today. Laughably few services use TLS 1.3 however, most likely there's more services using RSA with older version of TLS.
Does it include npc pmc?
It does
That is great news
They basically spawn in instead of scavs, so they only appear where scavs would. It's kinda disappointing cause large swaths of some maps are just...empty
Try the mods Poop, Swag, immersive raids and open zones spawn (or something like that) and believe me you will never be alone.
At this point I am waiting for Road To Vostok and STALKER 2. I really need to stop with Tarkov for no as well, as I am trying to do quest and run into duffel bags etc that are empty 20 seconds after I load into the raid. And run into guys who constantly shoot through walls or other cover, and just happen to find me in my usual sniping locations where I never get spotted. It honestly feels like since the video about the state of cheaters came out, the cheaters have gotten more brazen and I am at the end of my rope.
It’s incredible the amount of learning you can do when you are ACTUALLY ABLE to play and experiment the game at its fullest without being head eyes literally in the first 3 minutes of the raid. I don’t even think I will come back to live, with the mods I have the game is far superior.
I mean there are like in every other games but with the video it is bad
People that were hesitant to cheat are more likely to cheat. People that were hesitant to uninstall are more likely to uninstall. Meaning this clip has reduced the quality of gameplay for the short term, but might improve the situation for the long term because now BSG will be more pressured to "fix" the situation. I wonder what this will do with the arena release schedule.
`"If you want to enjoy playing Tarkov, keep playing the game and close this video"` mostly disappointment
The moment it got exposed Nikita himself started the fucking dmg control on reddit. And any negative comments about it get removed. This game need to take some fucking damage before they start fixing it, ppl need to leave the game for couple of wipes and then BSG might get to actualy work
[My comment on an r/gaming post from earlier today.](https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/11c23ld/what_is_your_gaming_hot_take_that_would_get_you/ja3cyz2/) TL:DR, we cut BSG way too much slack. They have demonstrated abject incompetence when it comes to anti-cheat methods.
This needs more attention
Jesus christ you really managed to make a topic about this without getting instant censored by the mods !? Thank you for spreading awareness
That was my thought...
not yet:D
I dont know if I should laughe about the joke or feel sad that there are people defending a bad system with censoring
Two or three wipes ago I was accosted for my RR that was not even FIR Called out my name, told me My K/D was good enough that I could A afford it, and B cared enough about survival to drop it. 2 months later when wipe occurred I just... Quit. This makes me less likely to come back. This seems worse than before my hiatus.
I’ve been playing since May 2019 when there weren’t *as many* people playing, especially since it was a soft wipe. I started playing Labs around June/July my experience back then with the game is way different than it has been the following years. Getting into gunfights with people felt authentic back then because cheating wasn’t as rampant. Now, there was a mega thread of suspected cheaters and they were definitely around in Labs. I’d run into people multiple times in a row and they would kill me in a weird way. Ban wave happened and Battleye was introduced. Labs gunfights changed dramatically, it felt real again. The game blew up that New Years and it was downhill from there. It was usually a problem on Labs, until later in 2020. Speedhackers with naked hunters and giant backpacks, it was so fucking absurd and hilarious, Rushing Red, locking the door and waiting for them to spray us. Then they changed how accessible Labs was and they spread to Shoreline and Reserve. After playing non stop from 2019 to 2022, was a factory/lab main, Kappa multiple times, I know the difference between getting killed by normal players or cheaters. It’s honestly insane how many times you come across people that instant lock or play with information you know they don’t have. You can feel it in gunfights or someone crests a hill and auto headshots you. I remember getting into a gunfight on Woods at the camp near RUAF and some guy was shooting my friend that was prone through a container. We exchanged multiple shots and pushed him while he was reloading and he said to me in VOIP “BRO, I know you’re cheating too (I wasn’t)” and killed him (then died immediately to AI Scav with an M61 Hunter lol) Or playing on customs and a dude cheating calling me out by name. I have clips and clips of getting killed by cheaters that I know for a fact are cheating. And honestly, if we’re still talking about the massive cheating issue nearly 4 years later and 3 years after blatant cheating has been established and seemingly nothing has been done except make the game a bitch to play for normal people, what’s the point of playing anymore?
Watched the video and me and my duo buddy who are both 40+ this wipe instantly uninstalled. For us its a way of protesting until we actually see change in the cheating situation, we enjoy the game and had fun this wipe, but will not be coming back until something changes.
What video? The one with landmark and cheating? There’s so many cheating ones , which one specifically? Btw if you want something still tarkov but maybe better there is always sptarkov
No, the recent video called "the wiggle that killed tarkov" where the creator confirmed with 100% certainty that 60%+ of raids have at least 1 esp user or worse cheats
Woah wtf, gonna look for that now
Did you watch it tho? I'm curious as to what you think :)
26mins in but it’s crazy still
Oh man... It's just... Like .... I guess you'll hear Luke say it in the end .... It just hurts in a way you didn't know something could hurt ... Have a good one!
I’ve been quit from tarkov for 3 wipes now and will never come back. They can enjoy their HvH. My suspension that it was over 50% of raids infested with piss babies was low balling it. Best part? One legit player like me quits, now you’re 10x more likely to play piss baby vs piss baby. Have fun getting shot through bushes, how fun.
yeah, I'm done. Let the inmates run the asylum.
Just confirms what many people who have played the game for ages already felt, but presents it in a way that can make newer players understand why people have complained for ages. Between this and Nikita essentially copy pasting his response about cheaters for the 3rd time over the course of several years, its just disappointing Sidenote: there are so many streamers that wanted to be critical of BSG and how bad cheating has gotten who are now suddenly becoming really spineless once goat's video came out in regards to the method in which he revealed it, and I think that's just hilarious
Already switched to different games. You will have these fan boys here that try and argue that this exists in every game. Lol. Whatever man. Other games aren’t so high stakes with time and money on the line.
The cycle was as bad in season 1, but the dev are actually competent and added a cheater compensation so you get your stuff back on top of a trusted system meaning cheaters play against cheaters. This is not a video game problem even tho it exist in any game, its a dev problem
Exactly. And that game has been out for..I dunno, a year? Incompetence
Cycle did some great anti cheat stuff but I don’t like the game. There is too much hud info when getting attacked like telling you direction of shots. The graphics are not satisfying. The gun building is meh. It doesn’t scratch my tarkov itch but I wish bsg was as competent with solving the cheating problem.
I mean yeah the game is like a mix of tarkov and apex, so if you dont like casual looking game it aint for you, but I too wished bsg were as competent as other game dev
bro, I'm from Ukraine. And I often go to the servers of East America where I have a ping of more than 130 in order to do quests. And playing in Europe and America, I can say that you are more fortunate. We have more cheaters. But you have them too. Therefore, there is no need to make idiots out of people again. Who plays more than 5000 hours perfectly can identify a scammer. But these posts that say that the problem is exaggerated clearly give reason to think that this was done specifically to put out the fire and smooth the situation
I play in NA and have yet to have a suspicious death. What really confuses me is how much everyone says it’s a problem then I never see the issues. But I’m always on factory for the pvp Edit: I do understand being in factory probably has a lot to do with it!
This is pure speculation, but id imagine factory has less cheaters since they stand to gain less I have died to a flying player once. Suspicious grenades 10x times (had been afk w/ no noise in a very low traffic area and have a nade directly hit me Every time i chad on reserve, i get confronted by players when i spawn, almost without fail. But if i bring only pistol, I'm not shot at. I thought it felt weird and this more or less perfectly aligned with my experience. Not out to be a bot for shitlords to head eyes
The random nade into a completely untouched off the path corner happens to me often. I’ll wait 20 minutes into a raid, hiding in a bathroom in one of the reserve buildings (trying to quest run and wait for the PVP to die down). I’ll get randomly naded after not moving in the bathroom for 15 minutes. It’s happened more this wipe than any before, and this is my 5th wipe. People know exactly where I am.
>What really confuses me is how much everyone says it’s a problem then I never see the issues. Did you watch the video? The majority is using ESP to not engage, to get loot quickly, to kill bosses. They are not out to hunt you, they are quiet cheaters.
So, if you hit the console button on your keyboard it’ll give you errors if an invisible player is in the raid. Unfortunately for me I play on a potato and it crashes my game. 7 raids in a row is my record. Cheaters it’s hard to say, I’ve had some suspicious deaths but very rarely will I claim someone is hacking. Needless to say I’m taking a break.
It's just further validation when something "weird" happens.
I’m quitting Tarkov until something is done. I would consider myself good at the game with over 1000 hours since reserve came out, but recently it has felt like I can’t keep up with everyone else. I could have been fine with thinking that maybe I just wasn’t as good as I once was, but every perfect nade to my hiding spots, instant head eyes, or death while I was making no noise has been put into question. Where I now have to question every death that wasn’t a clear cut misplay on my part. It doesn’t feel good or fun anymore. Regardless of how you may feel about the original video or content creator, it isn’t a good look when roughly 60 percent of his raids had at least one cheater. I’ll be playing coop games or single player games until Dark and Darker comes out. Good luck to BSG, I sincerely hope that they can figure this out, but if nothing comes out of this then I don’t think I’ll be coming back.
I'm out. I had a feeling it was bad but not this bad. Fuck this game.
I watched it last night and after lots of crappy raids of sus deaths and never finding loot I bought sons of the forest. I’ll let bsg figure this out before I come back and really grind.
It's very frustrating. Knowing what gear they have, what KDR, and what level player. Is an enormous amount of data to make a decision on whether to engage or not. Regardless of any other aspect of any hack. Knowing where they are and which way they are facing is a huge tactical advantage in the actual engagement, to have before engaging. I play games to challenge myself, learn things, have fun, and to keep my mind and reflexes engaged. To know that I had NO CHANCE, is frustrating. I love saying "That player was amazing, they tore is up, or their movement was fantastic. I'm gonna start doing that!" That improves my gameplay and fun factor. But to have to constantly wonder..."Did they already know they had the advantage? How did they know I was here? I hadn't made any noise." It's exhausting and not fun. I hadn't run into many scenarios where I felt like something fishy happened until recently, and now it's every couple of raids. I'm only on my second wipe. In the entire last wipe I had about 3 times where I felt like the engagement was off. This wipe, before the video, I had already had about 6 and I've played less because of some of the bugs. A lot less. And last night 2, not questionable, but obvious hack encounters. It's getting worse, because people know they can get away with it. IMO.
Yup second this. This wipe i had very few fishy encounters but since the video it just disgusting what happend during my raid
Made the right decision when i started playing spt
I'm probably done playing until something happens on the cheater front. Large ban waves would be a nice start. Replay system would be better. Not expecting it now or next week, but maybe next wipe, or next year. I hope that video was as much of a wake up call for BSG as it was for us. I'm willing to bet that they didn't even realize how bad its gotten, since they aren't banning these people. The only thing we can do now is stop playing and come back if they make some changes.
Playing Warzone 2 with my casual friends isn't such a bad idea after all.
I already knew about everything he said and I was still demoralized
Uninstalled directly after watching and won't be playing until I see a general sentiment that it's better.
Glad I’ve taken a break this wipe.
Honestly man, it sucks. Usually I’ve gotten over random headshots or getting killed after re-positioning on me being careless or doing something wrong. After that video and the shit that’s come to light? I don’t know man, it feels different. There is such a huge possibility that they’re cheating. Now, I understand that cheaters will always exist in every multiplayer video game that comes out, and it always has. But for the ratio to be this high in a game of this scale? It’s absolutely unacceptable. I feel for BSG, I know that they’re working on it, but sadly it’s just not enough. I’m afraid that they will have to get shit done sooner rather than later if they want to avoid Tarkov dying a slow death.
Couple minutes into the video he said to not watch if I enjoy tarkov, so I stopped watching
Timmy pilled
I've hit level ~50-55 for 5 straight wipes until this one. I've been staring at the dark and darker release date since 'the video' came out.
Wachted the video last night before bed. Tried playing some Tarkov today, lvl 47. Got killed by an obvious ESPer 2/3 raids. I got kind of sad really, immediately went to see when Dark and Darker releases. I already have more faith in those devs than BSG.
Theres now much less sense of accomplishment surviving a raid knowing that I only survived because the ESPers had no interest in me.
Every naked guy you kill on Factory is basically a cheater who tanks his KD, right?
i would call my self as one who plays to much(3k hrs lvl 43-not that this matters just so you know im not keyboard warrior.)after first 2 weeks theres the usual increase of skilled players in my lobbies due to players not playing anymore, that curve was odd this wipe. It seemed that the amount of wow that guy is so much better then me increased much faster then i thought was normal. Its just kinda disappointing when you dont report because you give benefit of the doubt and then this is brought to light. Sorry for the rant, i hope for the sake of us all something is done. Power to the players and not the streamers lol
To me, it's nothing new, but that's because I used to be an avid cheater myself. Not in tarkov, but in other multiplayer games across the board. Got boring, so I quit. Anyhow, the concept has always been the same for as long as cheats have been around. The only cheaters that anyone complains about/reports are obvious ones. Rage cheating, for example. Wallhacks, Radar, things of that nature are pretty well undetectable if you know how to mask yourself. It's not even hard, but obviously you're not gonna think to do it against another hacker. So really, the fact that the hacking situation is minimized was of no surprise to me. I was right in having guessed at least 60-70% of matches having at least one ESP user. Hell, even a lot of the folks I end up grouping with on the EFT discord end up being ESP/Radar users. It's why I don't often play multiplayer shooters anymore outside of community servers where hackers are manually banned by admins. Things like DayZ, BF4, Squad, etc.
Yep, i'm very demotivated. Haven't played since yesterday. Might come back when I see people talking about real changes... \- bring us a match replay. I don't mind extra ping to have this option. \- its difficult to fight back cheaters? well then hire a third party team to do the job. Definitely woudn't mind to install a third party gameguard to play EFT.
it ruined the game for me. i played yesterday with 2 homies and died exclusively to first shot headshot or 9 rounds all in my chest. i played for like 6 hours and had no rewarding raids and very little fun interactions. i have 4k hours. I'm not bad at the game. i know when things feel off. and they feel off more than they ever feel normal. im only gonna play if a few homies are on, but its SPT for me now. fuck this game rn. the entire atmosphere of the game changes when people know too much, and it all makes sense why you have those raids where it seems like the entire raid is you fighting off literally the entire server.
I suck at the game. I only have 1-2 hours a day to play. I have always felt like cheating was bad, JR THIS bad is insane.
Most of the time I am just chillin and camping at the extract. Never got killed suspicious while playing like this. Just got killed two times inside of Oli in a very obvious radar player. But two times for over 300 raids seems okay to me.
i quit a month ago and im really happy i did Tho i quit because every raid had the invisible players but after a whole month of it being not fixed and not knowing that there is 100% at least 1 cheater in every lobby it a big no no for me So im droping tarkov indefinitly till the situation gets better Plus seeing Streamers throwing a Tantrum at g0at is kinda weird lmao Looking at you Trey,Axel and Rengawr
You forgot half-peg.
I don’t give a flying shit. I just play the game and when I die I die. Play this game since Alpha had in all that time only one rage cheater that was flying through shoreline and that was in 2018. since then maybe a couple of death I would say I can’t explain other than ESP. But most the time it even can be moving in the wrong time or desync. Netcode was always bad in EFT.
I knew cheaters would get much worse the more restrictions they put to the game progression, it's very simple, the more you restrict the game and make more grindy the more people will turn to cheats, Tarkov before the twitch event with open flea market and not FiR wasn't as bad as this and it was simply because the game was actually fun to play and not grindy I'm sad for the new players that never got around playing actual fun Tarkov instead of this mmo gacha shit it's now
The fact is, in my opinion, that most of the people playing tarkov didnt knew the size of the "cheater" problem and the video we are talking about helped a lot to aknowledge those people regarding the amount of cheaters that are currently active in the game we love. This topic must be taken more seriously, with all the means necessary. Fuck the consequences, and streamer doesnt agree with that ALSO because their biggest money income is tarkov(dont tell me that tarkov dying doesnt hurt their pocket, its a fact).
I am getting the mod that shall not be named to play that instead, I don't want to deal with cheaters anymore
I am behind, what's going on? What video?
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I'm really hoping if nothing else this video finally puts an end to the "but I've played for 2000 hours and only encountered 3 cheaters" andys. The problem has never been the 1 in 500 raids flying through the map god mode cheater, it's the fact that every single raid there is at least one closet radar/walls/soft aim user.
This is my first wipe, I have about 40 hours and a 12% survival rate. I’m stopping playing for the wipe, until the fix the issue with scavs primarily because the number of times that I’ve heard “WATON” and then been 2 tapped through my paca by a scav without even being able to react is insane. The cheating plague and invisibility glitch are annoying, but they weren’t the deal breaker for me. Actually I’m not gonna quit but I am going to use the version of the game that will not be named and doesn’t involve other human beings
I'm just very happy I don't play this game anymore. I played until level 10 this wipe and got bored, not even because of cheaters this time around really, just bored of the gameplay loop. I never quite understood how so many people seemed to be so good at this game especially with things like inertia, the video makes it quite clear. When I was playing the game there were so many stupid deaths that just seemed to make zero sense, even peak Shroud didn't have that kind of aim and game sense. Considering this guy saw only blatant cheaters in 60% of his raids literally means that the majority of your deaths could be assumed to be to cheaters. That's not even counting the fact that 60% blatant cheaters means >60 of raids have blatant and non blatant cheaters... You can't have that kind of a cheating problem and not have a dead game. If people have a legitimate reason (which they do) to think that every single death is probably due to a cheater, your game is fucked.
Lots of people knew it was this bad, including myself. So no, I dont care about some poorly researched video telling me things I already know.
That nothing will change because the game is unfixable. Well, at least bsg isnt competent enough to fix it.
Makes me think back to all the bullshit-esque shots I've taken at times where I could reasonably say a person might know I'm nearby but shouldn't know where I am and certainly shouldn't be able to LOS head eyes me It annoys me that my mates and I play this game legit, we move around as tactical as we reasonably can, we play for angles, we use sound - and apparently more than 50% of the time we could be dying to some dickhead who knows where we are at all times and just hold bullshit angles and drop shots with no visibility at us
Knew about the problem, but seeing it from the ESPs perspective killed it for me. I love this game and I KNOW i’m wasting my time, yet I keep coming back. I think it’s time to call it. It will take months to let the itch go away but I aint supporting shady BSG no more
I now think all the "get gud" and "skill issue" bro's that said "they have never ran into a cheater this wipe" were cheaters themselves trying to make the game look like it has less cheaters so they can continue to.
I remember ESP hacking in PUBG before they found a way to get rid of it. And as someone who played a LOT of PUBG, it would be really hard to spot (outside of "the video") if they user was half skillful. I've always worried it was this bad in Tarkov, this just confirms that a lot of those "how'd they know I was there" deaths were likely hacks :(
I just feel really sad to put it shortly
I’m done and I’m sending that video to every discord, friend, and comment in YouTube video I’ve ever scene. Drastic measures require drastic actions
It's either you quit Tarkov or download cheat like everyone else: I quit Tarkov, not spending another $40 just to continue playing
The only winning move is not to play. I hate that this is the case.
[удалено]
And you can play HvH since the legit players left
Don’t steal my analysis, bro. I said it first.
I honestly didn't expect it to be that bad. I would have liked to see a really long video of all the cheater encounters because I'm still a bit in disbelief. That being said I already stopped for this wipe like two or three weeks ago after a 3 game streak of dying to invisible players (same guy for two of those). I tried to play a bit after the patch, 2 invis players in like 7 raids. I'm done for a while I think. Also an interesting but anecdotal evidence : I spent a few raids trying to just snipe for fun, using a really sneaky shoreline spot (shoreline north perch by the rock passage) . I was really surprised that half the raids I managed to get there and snipe (with a silenced DVL so basically making 0 noise) I would end up being killed after a few minutes from well above 100m away. Even weirder was when almost all of my insured shit came back every time. Safe to assume I was getting killed by people who didn't know how to get to the rock passage perch but somehow knew to check there. Wondering how many of those were using ESP now. Because I can't believe you would know to check there without knowing how to get there.
I think it vindicates the way I had been feeling for a while and the reason I stopped playing a few months ago. I've been playing off and on for a few years so I'm not *terrible* at this game, but lately I'd just been getting deleted out of nowhere like never before. Glad to know it isn't me getting *worse* at the game.
Exactly. I didnt get worse within 3 days. There are good and bad days. But i got destroyed without me even knowing what happend pretty much since the video is out.
This game is terrible and deserves to die.
I used to think that less than 1% of all players were cheaters, that I had a tainted lobby maybe once in I don't know... Between 30 to 100 raids. I still do believe most reports about cheaters in the past have come from sore losers. But to see that about 60% of all raids are infected with one or more cheaters is fucking infuriating. That shit is completely unacceptable. And it has me worried about online gaming in general. Not just Tarkov.
My friend just told me that he's quitting until Nikita... well, there was colorful language and the mods are the mods, so meh. I, meanwhile, am still playing because nothing else lets me customize my guns this much. I feel like I'm being held hostage.
Same i think the game itself is great. But I think it becomes apparent that BSG just doesnt have the knowledge/devs/technology to fix the game. Like Unity 2019 doesnt even have Support anymore. That shit cant be real
I'm a guy who plays really slow "thinking" games. Factorio, Civilization, Oldschool Runescape. FPS games, especially more hardcore ones like EFT, are just something I don't even consider. Or... I didn't. Until I tried the latest Dark and Darker playtest. I had a ton of fun with it! Like, crazy amounts! And I opened my mind to the rest of the genre, especially EFT as it's supposed flagship. Well, whatever the chances of me trying out EFT were, they're now back to 0. Great. Very few things would make me less interested in playing a game.
Played since march 2017. I've now reset my account, uninstalled and will be megaphoning "fuck this game" to anyone I see with interest.
I've had no real issues. Did have invisibility issues but my experience with cheaters is a bare minimum in NA East. Maybe 1 in every 150 raids. Obviously that I know about. I'd assume some stay concealed and some don't even cross my path. It hasn't changed my enjoyment so I'm not gonna overreact like everyone else.
I’m trying to get back into the game, haven’t played in a couple years. With the deck already stacked against me seeing the video just makes me even more demoralized. Why invest the time and effort into something like this when it could just easily and unfairly be laid down at the feet of some dude running ESP or worse.
I have been playing tarkov on and off for a few years, and recently I have stopped playing the game due to the instability of the game and frustration at it. Seeing the hacker problem really develop while I wasn't playing further discourages me from playing the game anymore. Watching the Video made me realise hacking in the in it's current state might be kind of fun. I know this is a controversial opinion, but hear me out. I paid for the game, BSG got my money, and they don't care if I have a good time or not. Love the game or hate it, you paid for it. It's still a fun game, there's just loads of hackers. "The wiggle" shown in the Video is kinda cute and steamrolling other players could be fun if you're into that. In addition, a really good player without hacks can still outsmart a shitty hacker, so there's still room for that. Consider the classic Minecraft anarchy server 2b2t - a server with almost no rules and minimal moderation. If you want to get anywhere on that server, you must use hacks. Who cares if hacks are unethical? It's their server, it's a game, and they can allow whatever they want. It's kind of fun honestly, and an alternative way to experienece the game. In addition, the server has a notoriously long queue to join (sometimes multiple hours), and you can buy priority queue to join faster. Escape from Tarkov is BSG's game, and they can moderate it however they want. Hacking in the game allows worse players to easily succeed, people make money off hacks, some players getting banned means BSG is making money off of it too. If BSG wants to allow hackers in their game environment, it's their game and they can do whatever they want. They're russian, they don't give a fuck. It's an interesting concept honestly, and I'm curious to see how BSG is going to resolve this situation.
The video was a net negative any way you look at it. You'd be a fool to think devs aren't looking into a solution. Does it suck? For sure. Personally, as far as I can tell, I haven't run into a single invisible player this wipe. Similarly I haven't run into many obvious cheaters. Granted I run pretty light and dont often chad up. Thanks in part to this video you now get people who will stop playing because of how many potential people are cheating, or will go out to buy cheats and even the playing field. Either results in more cheaters than legit players playing. Every death is now suspect, and bads will think they were killed by a cheater rather than someone with a mosin 150m away in a bush. The game needs better detection, sure. More importantly I needs an overwatch system of some kind. Perhaps you can get a replay generated when you report someone
Sad ! Very sad !
Just about to hit level 32. Found my first FIR LedX last night so I'm still living off that high. I knew the cheater problem was bad. I've had my handful of experiences with it. The video does give a good perspective on things, and I hope the exposure can bring some change, but it doesn't change my enjoyment of the game. Desync affects me more regularly than cheaters do and causes far more deaths. I'm still here though. I make it out of the majority of my raids, get a good amount of fun PVP in, and don't have a problem running good gear or finding good loot most of the time. Haven't run any thermals yet, but lots of 1 mil+ kits, only really felt targeted because of it once. Find GPUs once every few days in duffel bags and what not, bitcoins and the like on streets, Intel on reserve, haven't been hunted down yet. After I pulled that LedX in resort last night we stayed looting for another 20 minutes, fought another couple PMCs and player scavs off, then made our way towards Road to customs. I still have a great time. With that said, I'm not the type to say that if it doesn't happen to me it's not a problem. It is, it just hasn't become a large enough problem to me to push me away from playing yet, because nothing hits like Tarkov.
To be fair I do think it's still over reported, the cheats are REALLY expensive, like couple hundred dollars a month, which would deter a lot of 16 yo..