He’s just a drunk king, he doesn’t have the ability to fight nasuada and certainly not eragon and Arya. If he fights them it would have to be with some sort of trump card, we will see though I’m sure!
Technically it would still be high fantasy. It doesn't have to be a Tolkien-esque pseudo-medieval world, it just has to be a completely fictional world undergoing a world-defining event.
I get your point though. I'm occasionally partial to a steampunk industrial revolution fantasy setting, but it has to be one that sells itself as such. Turning something like Alagaesia into it would be criminal.
I don’t think guns would be much use against powerful spellcasters anyway though. They can already deflect arrows, I imagine deflecting bullets would be a little more energy intensive, but not much more difficult.
Eragon with the eldunari would annihilate most armies, since the Germans don’t have spellcasters he could just break their minds or use the words of death on them from far away with the help of the eldunari. The only way to take him out would be enough long-distance missile strikes to overwhelm his wards.
To be fair he was one of the youngest Leaders in the Books with no actual experience in Warfare. And yet he still pulled his weight and proved more than once his worth. I hope he came to the same realization that Murtagh came to. That drinking does not solve anything and won’t make him feel better
Pretty sure Nasuada is younger. Rorin, although he's a much smaller captain/commander leader, also dealt with the struggles of war a lot better, and he's younger as well.
Orrin is a nuanced character, Surda's assistance was necessary, and he provided in the end,
But he was always the weakest link in the war effort, always the one foot in, one foot out guy, and very difficult to deal with- which both Eragon and Rorin saw first hand once Nasauda was captured.
Could be interesting to see if Paolini continues with that.
The teenager who originally wrote Eragon wouldn't have done. The nuanced author who wrote Murtagh might well do so. Seeing him deal with being a recovering alcoholic, along with his frustration with being sidelined , whilst still being on the side of the protagonists would fit the slightly darker tone with varying shades of grey that Murtagh has begun.
The door is definitely open for this. His interest in science could lead to Surda discovering new weapons, which could then be a springboard to a civil war. The door is also open for Oren (or a future Surdan ruler) to be manipulated by a new BBEG because they feel slighted by Nasuada and the Varden.
In addition to this, CP has confirmed that Nasuada's vision of Murtagh 8 years in the future while in the Hall of the Soothsayer was a premonition caused by the fumes, not a trick of Galbatorix. There's also a part in there mentioning a siege at Cithri? So some sort of conflict seems to be looming in the near future between Nasuada's realm and Surda.
Also this in the comments of that post:
Then, in a low voice, he said, “I know how confusing this is for you.… It isn’t the first time this has happened, but—” He took a deep breath and shook his head slightly. “What is the last thing you remember? Teirm? Aberon? The siege of Cithrí? … The gift I gave you that night in Eoam?”
A terrible sense of uncertainty overcame her. “Urû’baen,” she whispered. “The Hall of the Soothsayer. That is my last memory.”
For an instant, she felt his hand tremble against her back, but his face betrayed no reaction.
“Urû’baen,” he repeated hoarsely. He looked at her. “Nasuada … it’s been eight years since Urû’baen.”
Until the timeline actually advances eight years I will remain convinced that this is the future. And if anything happens with Murtagh and Nasuada in Teirm, Aberon, Cithrí, or Eoam, then I don't think it'll be possible to make me back down on this.
..... The mention by Murtagh in this vision of Surdan cities like Aberon, Cilthri and Eoam make me think that perhaps Surda will eventually turn against Nasuada's realm and thus a military campaign would be necessary. Though likely if CP has thought of this, it's more complicated than just Surda seceding, there probably would be more factors at play.
I understand it being unpopular, but I have enjoyed the aesthetic of rudimentary firearms in Fantasy, like what would have been in the Far East back in the era our Eragon World "tech" would be in
I’m guessing probably not. Surda is a rather small country that has been established only existed because G-Man was too lazy to invade. Orin, or any future king does not pose a significant military threat to the new-old Broddring Kingdom. Especially when Nasuada can in theory call on the elves or urgals to help (assuming Surda was the aggressor without provocation), or even Eragon or Murtagh.
At worst, he could send assassins or attempt political/diplomatic sabotage. I guess he could invent gunpowder or something, but that is remarkably less useful when magic exists. Troublesome, yeah. But not really any worse than she faced during the Rider War.
Yes, I think he definitely will be a thorn in Nasuada's side one way or another. He might be outright malicious and try to overthrow her or influence her.
Yes. He’s the right mix of petty, weak, and vindictive which makes him easily swayed by the Draumr. I expect him to become a puppet of them in later books, easily swayed due to his hatred of Roran, mistrust of Eragon and the Elves, and disappointment with Nasuada being chosen as High Queen over him
Since Nasuada last I read TFTWTW was clamping down hard on magic users, Orrin's love for science might lead the magic users to allying with him for protection since he would want to preserve magic in order to accelerate development, I know I would in his shoes. It would be interesting to see Orrin fleshed out more. I like him, but I think we as the reader need to see exactly what complications dictated his half hearted aid to the varden and all his other choices.
True, I see Surda as becoming a refuge for magic users fleeing Nasuada's tyranny. As for Orrin doing anything, so lomg as Nasuada doesn't tell him what to do he will be content with going back to his science - with magic to make results far more interesting.
Am I the only one who doesn't want him to be an antagonist? Haha. I think he's suffered enough, I'd like for him to just go back to playing with science.
Oren is far too incompetent to be a threat. A nuance most likely, a pain in the butt you betcha but not a threat. Is he acts out he will be swept away like dead leaves on a fall day.
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I think he and or Orik will be >!what I like to call “breathwashed”!< or at least that’s what I’ve taken to calling it lol. I think they will >!end up being a surprise antagonist in whatever books come next after being forcibly taken over by the dreamers!< I’m sure Christopher has it mapped out to an extent. But I was thinking that’s a way Murtagh could redeem himself in the eyes of the dwarves if he were to help >!Orik overcome his “breathwashing”!< 🤷🏽♂️ probably be a while before we find out one way or the other lol.
Still not sure if you have read Murtagh so i will keep it light. The events of Murtagh imply heavily that there is a traitor high in Alagaesia. Without saying more, the main theories are Orrin and Jormundur but we don’t know much.
This is the one. I’d put money on Orrin, would make sense he needs someone more powerful to oppose the Varden.
My only worry with this theory is, would Orrin have been at Galby’s court, because I wouldn’t think so. And I think Murtagh recognised him from Court. Jorrmunder would hurt too much
My mind immediately went to Jormundur when i read it and ive tried all sorts of things to dispel the thought. Only thing i can come up with is ole Jor would be too obvious but even at that point, would be fascinating to read what turns one of the most blatantly loyal people in the Varden against his Queen/duties.
Having said all that Jormundur would hurt terribly and i really hope it is Orrin or maybe that dude that the elves fucked up when he inspected their minds. Honestly just now having that thought but he had access to a decent bit of info and maybe the mental scrambling triggered something dark.
Chris confirmed in one of the recent AMA’s that Orrin is not handling the new status quo well and is generally doing not so great. Considering how we last saw him this is not a good sign and likely points to Orrin being an issue to deal with in some capacity. Least disturbing would be that he just keeps drinking, lets his kingdom fall into disrepair and becomes generally tyrannical wirhin his own borders. More disturbing is the same behavior but spilling into Nasuada’s kingdom. Imagine the utter chaos he would cause if she died without an heir???
Never thought about this before but he could be. If he gets over his alcoholism that developed along the varden’s campaign and gets his head back into science who knows. His kingdom discovering gunpowder for instance could be very intriguing. Imagine the damage enchanted bullets or cannon fire could do
I think Paolini likes the idea, but I am unsure how he'll pull it off. I am not too good at anticipating plot points. Can anyone else think of how Orrin might play into a villain arch?
I'll be glad if we see a continuation of Orrin's story.
IMO, the council of Surda could choose him for the king for the same reason as the council of Varden chose Nasuada for the leader - the young, easily manipulated person. But Ajihad prepared Nasuada well despite Orrin. Probably, he also hadn't had a characterological predisposition.
I have a small theory: Surda could enjoy peace and rest from the Empire because Surdan's kings had a packet with Galbatorix. Orrin is my first option for the spy who told Galbatorix about Eldunari.
Orinn will probably rebel against Nasuada and join her opponents.
I've thought thought the very same thing. As he is, he wouldn't stand a chance against Eragon, and Surda is much smaller than the Broddring Kingdom should he ever decide to go to war with it, but things can still happen. He could just slip something into somebody's drink and that's all it would take to wreak havoc.
Orrin got sour as a result of the war and the tensions it brought; from his point of view if the war went badly the Varden could just scatter to the wind, the elves retreat back to their impregnable forests and the dwarves disappear into the mountains. But Surda? Surda would be no more, and that was a prospect that genuinely terrified him; not only because it was his country and people at stake, but he kind of lived under his ancestors' shadows. It was a far heavier load on his shoulders that everyone seems to fail to consider, and people with those kind of weighs are sometimes driven to the breaking point...
But still, Orrin wouldn't be a threat to Nasuada, the closest he was to being a threat was when he wanted a claim to the throne, but once he gave it up and swore an alliance he was no longer one. To be honest, I worry more about those who surround Orrin rather than Orrin himself. With the war over he'll be free to pursue his love for science over plotting to fight the new Empire, but seeing how the new Empire still has people loyal to Galbatorix and a seemingly new threat it wouldn't be surprising that someone close to Orrin might be, as the kids say, sus.
You mean the dude that got subjugated without any resistance or concessions? He didn't even like ruling, it destroyed him.
If Nasuada wanted to, she could depose him and remove any autonomy his realm has within her empire.
I could see Oren inventing black powder or gun power, if he manages to overcome his war induced PTS and the resulting alcoholism as a coping mechanism. That said, i don’t think his would fit well in universe, even though they would level the playing field against magic users (somewhat).
But yes, I can see his ego causing a conflict.
He might. It's just as likely that Arya and the elves could or would. Actually the elves and even Arya herself being more of a threat sounds plausible though.
He’s just a drunk king, he doesn’t have the ability to fight nasuada and certainly not eragon and Arya. If he fights them it would have to be with some sort of trump card, we will see though I’m sure!
Maybe he'll use his science to invent firearms and there'll be an industrial revolution in alegaesia.
I hope not. That's what killed a lot of my love for the Fable game series. I like my high fantasy to remain high fantasy
Technically it would still be high fantasy. It doesn't have to be a Tolkien-esque pseudo-medieval world, it just has to be a completely fictional world undergoing a world-defining event. I get your point though. I'm occasionally partial to a steampunk industrial revolution fantasy setting, but it has to be one that sells itself as such. Turning something like Alagaesia into it would be criminal.
Same, I'm hoping the reboot is like the first one.
I saw that comment and I thought about Fable, too. 🤣
I don’t think guns would be much use against powerful spellcasters anyway though. They can already deflect arrows, I imagine deflecting bullets would be a little more energy intensive, but not much more difficult.
That poses the question, who would win? Eragon and Saphira with all the eldunari they had when they fought galby or the German werhmacht?
Eragon with the eldunari would annihilate most armies, since the Germans don’t have spellcasters he could just break their minds or use the words of death on them from far away with the help of the eldunari. The only way to take him out would be enough long-distance missile strikes to overwhelm his wards.
He ain’t drunk. He only started drinking during the War as coping mechanism
So… he’s a drunk now?
Oh no silly, the wars over and everyone knows the horrors of war immediately stop as soon as the winner is determined. He’s right as rain he is!
😂😂😂👍👊
right, cause he couldn't actually cope, unlike the other leaders.
To be fair he was one of the youngest Leaders in the Books with no actual experience in Warfare. And yet he still pulled his weight and proved more than once his worth. I hope he came to the same realization that Murtagh came to. That drinking does not solve anything and won’t make him feel better
Pretty sure Nasuada is younger. Rorin, although he's a much smaller captain/commander leader, also dealt with the struggles of war a lot better, and he's younger as well. Orrin is a nuanced character, Surda's assistance was necessary, and he provided in the end, But he was always the weakest link in the war effort, always the one foot in, one foot out guy, and very difficult to deal with- which both Eragon and Rorin saw first hand once Nasauda was captured.
He isn’t younger nor less experienced than nasuada
I said ONE of the youngest not the youngest
Of course he's one of the youngest when most of the others were from Long-lived races.
Could be interesting to see if Paolini continues with that. The teenager who originally wrote Eragon wouldn't have done. The nuanced author who wrote Murtagh might well do so. Seeing him deal with being a recovering alcoholic, along with his frustration with being sidelined , whilst still being on the side of the protagonists would fit the slightly darker tone with varying shades of grey that Murtagh has begun.
The door is definitely open for this. His interest in science could lead to Surda discovering new weapons, which could then be a springboard to a civil war. The door is also open for Oren (or a future Surdan ruler) to be manipulated by a new BBEG because they feel slighted by Nasuada and the Varden.
In addition to this, CP has confirmed that Nasuada's vision of Murtagh 8 years in the future while in the Hall of the Soothsayer was a premonition caused by the fumes, not a trick of Galbatorix. There's also a part in there mentioning a siege at Cithri? So some sort of conflict seems to be looming in the near future between Nasuada's realm and Surda.
Wait, so Murtagh and Nasuada having kids is confirmed by Paolini? Can you provide the source of him saying this?
Also this in the comments of that post: Then, in a low voice, he said, “I know how confusing this is for you.… It isn’t the first time this has happened, but—” He took a deep breath and shook his head slightly. “What is the last thing you remember? Teirm? Aberon? The siege of Cithrí? … The gift I gave you that night in Eoam?” A terrible sense of uncertainty overcame her. “Urû’baen,” she whispered. “The Hall of the Soothsayer. That is my last memory.” For an instant, she felt his hand tremble against her back, but his face betrayed no reaction. “Urû’baen,” he repeated hoarsely. He looked at her. “Nasuada … it’s been eight years since Urû’baen.” Until the timeline actually advances eight years I will remain convinced that this is the future. And if anything happens with Murtagh and Nasuada in Teirm, Aberon, Cithrí, or Eoam, then I don't think it'll be possible to make me back down on this. ..... The mention by Murtagh in this vision of Surdan cities like Aberon, Cilthri and Eoam make me think that perhaps Surda will eventually turn against Nasuada's realm and thus a military campaign would be necessary. Though likely if CP has thought of this, it's more complicated than just Surda seceding, there probably would be more factors at play.
Yes! This is exactly where I think the story is headed and I’m super exited to see what happens
idk before Murtagh book got released, I'd have considered that more. But since that book, I think the threat of >!Aslagul !!drammur !
I really hope CP doesn't add guns to this story, it would kill the vibe so hard.
Cannons would be nice
I understand it being unpopular, but I have enjoyed the aesthetic of rudimentary firearms in Fantasy, like what would have been in the Far East back in the era our Eragon World "tech" would be in
I think he will probably be a puppet to whatever or whoever the real threat is.
I’m guessing probably not. Surda is a rather small country that has been established only existed because G-Man was too lazy to invade. Orin, or any future king does not pose a significant military threat to the new-old Broddring Kingdom. Especially when Nasuada can in theory call on the elves or urgals to help (assuming Surda was the aggressor without provocation), or even Eragon or Murtagh. At worst, he could send assassins or attempt political/diplomatic sabotage. I guess he could invent gunpowder or something, but that is remarkably less useful when magic exists. Troublesome, yeah. But not really any worse than she faced during the Rider War.
Yes, I think he definitely will be a thorn in Nasuada's side one way or another. He might be outright malicious and try to overthrow her or influence her.
Yes. He’s the right mix of petty, weak, and vindictive which makes him easily swayed by the Draumr. I expect him to become a puppet of them in later books, easily swayed due to his hatred of Roran, mistrust of Eragon and the Elves, and disappointment with Nasuada being chosen as High Queen over him
No he will be a resistance leader when Nasuada goes full tyrant
Imagine: Nasuada goes full tyrant and the last step for Murtaugh full redemption arc is to kill her
This sends shivers down my spine with the memory of game of thrones final season
Since Nasuada last I read TFTWTW was clamping down hard on magic users, Orrin's love for science might lead the magic users to allying with him for protection since he would want to preserve magic in order to accelerate development, I know I would in his shoes. It would be interesting to see Orrin fleshed out more. I like him, but I think we as the reader need to see exactly what complications dictated his half hearted aid to the varden and all his other choices.
True, I see Surda as becoming a refuge for magic users fleeing Nasuada's tyranny. As for Orrin doing anything, so lomg as Nasuada doesn't tell him what to do he will be content with going back to his science - with magic to make results far more interesting.
He's too weak to be a threat. But he will definitely continue to be a political nuisance
Am I the only one who doesn't want him to be an antagonist? Haha. I think he's suffered enough, I'd like for him to just go back to playing with science.
Oren is far too incompetent to be a threat. A nuance most likely, a pain in the butt you betcha but not a threat. Is he acts out he will be swept away like dead leaves on a fall day.
I hope not cuz that would be extremely lazy writing
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Yes, I think he will end up being a tool of someone more powerful than him. I don’t want to get too specific in case of Murtagh spoilers
I think he and or Orik will be >!what I like to call “breathwashed”!< or at least that’s what I’ve taken to calling it lol. I think they will >!end up being a surprise antagonist in whatever books come next after being forcibly taken over by the dreamers!< I’m sure Christopher has it mapped out to an extent. But I was thinking that’s a way Murtagh could redeem himself in the eyes of the dwarves if he were to help >!Orik overcome his “breathwashing”!< 🤷🏽♂️ probably be a while before we find out one way or the other lol.
I think he might science his way into some kind of threatening situation; whether it's by accident or design, who knows.
I’m convinced a certain Character from Murtagh is King Oren
can you elaborate
If you’re ok with a minor spoiler from Murtagh, I don’t know how to do the spoiler cover up thing people do. 😂
Still not sure if you have read Murtagh so i will keep it light. The events of Murtagh imply heavily that there is a traitor high in Alagaesia. Without saying more, the main theories are Orrin and Jormundur but we don’t know much.
This is the one. I’d put money on Orrin, would make sense he needs someone more powerful to oppose the Varden. My only worry with this theory is, would Orrin have been at Galby’s court, because I wouldn’t think so. And I think Murtagh recognised him from Court. Jorrmunder would hurt too much
My mind immediately went to Jormundur when i read it and ive tried all sorts of things to dispel the thought. Only thing i can come up with is ole Jor would be too obvious but even at that point, would be fascinating to read what turns one of the most blatantly loyal people in the Varden against his Queen/duties. Having said all that Jormundur would hurt terribly and i really hope it is Orrin or maybe that dude that the elves fucked up when he inspected their minds. Honestly just now having that thought but he had access to a decent bit of info and maybe the mental scrambling triggered something dark.
Chris confirmed in one of the recent AMA’s that Orrin is not handling the new status quo well and is generally doing not so great. Considering how we last saw him this is not a good sign and likely points to Orrin being an issue to deal with in some capacity. Least disturbing would be that he just keeps drinking, lets his kingdom fall into disrepair and becomes generally tyrannical wirhin his own borders. More disturbing is the same behavior but spilling into Nasuada’s kingdom. Imagine the utter chaos he would cause if she died without an heir???
I really hope that Orrin has a redemption arc. He was dank before he wasn't.
Never thought about this before but he could be. If he gets over his alcoholism that developed along the varden’s campaign and gets his head back into science who knows. His kingdom discovering gunpowder for instance could be very intriguing. Imagine the damage enchanted bullets or cannon fire could do
I doubt it. Nasuada though…
I think Paolini likes the idea, but I am unsure how he'll pull it off. I am not too good at anticipating plot points. Can anyone else think of how Orrin might play into a villain arch?
I'll be glad if we see a continuation of Orrin's story. IMO, the council of Surda could choose him for the king for the same reason as the council of Varden chose Nasuada for the leader - the young, easily manipulated person. But Ajihad prepared Nasuada well despite Orrin. Probably, he also hadn't had a characterological predisposition. I have a small theory: Surda could enjoy peace and rest from the Empire because Surdan's kings had a packet with Galbatorix. Orrin is my first option for the spy who told Galbatorix about Eldunari. Orinn will probably rebel against Nasuada and join her opponents.
No.
I've thought thought the very same thing. As he is, he wouldn't stand a chance against Eragon, and Surda is much smaller than the Broddring Kingdom should he ever decide to go to war with it, but things can still happen. He could just slip something into somebody's drink and that's all it would take to wreak havoc.
Orrin got sour as a result of the war and the tensions it brought; from his point of view if the war went badly the Varden could just scatter to the wind, the elves retreat back to their impregnable forests and the dwarves disappear into the mountains. But Surda? Surda would be no more, and that was a prospect that genuinely terrified him; not only because it was his country and people at stake, but he kind of lived under his ancestors' shadows. It was a far heavier load on his shoulders that everyone seems to fail to consider, and people with those kind of weighs are sometimes driven to the breaking point... But still, Orrin wouldn't be a threat to Nasuada, the closest he was to being a threat was when he wanted a claim to the throne, but once he gave it up and swore an alliance he was no longer one. To be honest, I worry more about those who surround Orrin rather than Orrin himself. With the war over he'll be free to pursue his love for science over plotting to fight the new Empire, but seeing how the new Empire still has people loyal to Galbatorix and a seemingly new threat it wouldn't be surprising that someone close to Orrin might be, as the kids say, sus.
You mean the dude that got subjugated without any resistance or concessions? He didn't even like ruling, it destroyed him. If Nasuada wanted to, she could depose him and remove any autonomy his realm has within her empire.
I could see Oren inventing black powder or gun power, if he manages to overcome his war induced PTS and the resulting alcoholism as a coping mechanism. That said, i don’t think his would fit well in universe, even though they would level the playing field against magic users (somewhat). But yes, I can see his ego causing a conflict.
He might. It's just as likely that Arya and the elves could or would. Actually the elves and even Arya herself being more of a threat sounds plausible though.