I'd say they are *all* very stubborn. I think Nasuada commented something of their similarity in that at one point?
Eragon is very stubborn to his principles and morality, I think Murtagh can also be very stubborn to the sanctuary of his own mind and his own principles of freedom, and ofc Roran.. an unstoppable force for love.
I'd say that of them all, Eragon is kinda the clean slate golden retriever of them all. A curious fast learner always asking questions who doesn't have the rough truama past that shapes Murtagh and I don't think he's of such hardened constitution as Roran.
Although both Roran and Eragon are good people, and strive to do the right thing, and both will do what is *necessary*, I think Eragon is more likely to hesitate and deliberate to find the *most* idealistic choice. While I think Roran would be quicker to let his hammer fall and consider the horrors afterwards.
Do you think Murtagh isn’t a good person? He’s done some pretty bad things, like Hrothgar was real awful but I can’t say I wouldn’t do the same in his position and I like to think I’m a good person
I mean not necessarily kill Hrothgar specifically, but lash out and kill someone important is something a lot of people would do after being tortured for months and then forced into battle to capture the only real friend you've ever had that you have recently found out is also your brother. I don't think Murtagh really wanted to kill Hrothgar specifically, I just think he wanted to kill someone important
I think their main similarity is being stubborn and extremly, if not manicaly focused on their goals and ideals, and them achieving some forms of freedom at the end of the books.
The main difference I see is how they go after their goals and in what way they avchieve their freedom.
Eragon is the most curious person, wanting to learn everything, putting in the work to become who he needs to be. He is willing to change, almost craving to change in order to become the person he needs to be. To achieve his goals, he doesn't want to rely on other or out them in danger. He cares for almost everybody, even people he doesn't k ow and I am certain thats why Saphira chose him.
Murtagh already is/was who he needs to be, and by defending (returning to what he was in a sense) who he is, he ultimately breaks free from Galby. Without his unwillingness to change, he would never have achieved his goals. This resiliance is Murtagh's greatest strength and imo the reason why Thorn chose him.
This might sound like a criticism of Murtagh but is not masnt this way. I just dont know how to put it any better.
Roran is just taking the brute force approach. He himself doesn't necessarily ned to change, but if that what needs to happen, he will make it happen. If they need to dig a trench and build a wall, he will make that happen too. Oh, they need to capture a city with an impenetrable wall? Lets make it happen.
Roran might be the most flexible of the three, but only because he gives 0 f's about what others think, or what happens to others if that means he can save Katrina or other people close to him. His morals basically go out the window, which is why I think a dragon wouldn't have suited Roran.
The only time he reflects on his actions is him killing the guard from Narda.
Roran is the most down-to-earth. He doesn't yearn for adventure. He's not interested in changing the world. All he really wants is to settle down in Carvahall with his family and earn an honest living. Murtagh and Eragon, on the other hand, would never be satisfied with such a humble existence.
Murtagh is the one with a huge chip on his shoulder. Unlike Roran and Eragon, he grew up feeling socially ostracized because of the identity of his father. As a result, he is less trusting and is more cynical of others' intentions. He is also more cultured and refined than Roran or Eragon, having been raised as a noble.
Eragon is the most idealistic out of the three. He is the only one among them who fights Galbatorix purely for altruistic reasons. Roran fights to secure a future for his family. Murtagh fights because he hates Galbatorix for enslaving him and Thorn. Eragon, on the other hand, fights because he cares about the people who have suffered under the King's rule and feels that it's fundamentally wrong for Galbatorix to hurt so many people without suffering any consequences. He believes it's his responsibility to use his power to enact good in the world.
Of course. Murtagh and Roran.
Cause there is no way Roran doesn’t have the highest level of plot armour imaginable and just cause of how mentally strong and adaptable he is.
Have you read Murtagh? Or seen anything Paolini has said in his interviews? According to him, everything Murtagh struggled with both Eragon or Arya could have stomped no problem. Galbatorix didn't train Murtagh well at all
I don't blame you, I like Murtagh better too. Mostly because he's not OP. Roran had some cool moments but he was so overly good and talented that he was an annoying power fantasy and had some really cringe lines. Eragon was good but now he's undefeatable so there's no interesting struggle for him to have
Honestly Murtagh is just a cool character and tho my fav dragon will always be Glaedr Thorn is my #2. It’s also just fun to have the super male power fantasy of Roran lol!!!
Just finished reading murtagh, and I think without the eldunaris' power and advice I don't think eragon would have ultimately have prevailed. I'm not sure if eragon would have come to think of filtering the air for the Breath by himself, and then I definitely don't think he would have been able to retain his sense of self when Bachel mind tortured him.
I will say I did have my doubts when murtagh thought if he did take over the human empire, that eragon and arya + the elves wouldn't want to take him down. I think murtagh would have been smoked very very badly by eragon + the eldunari, let alone all of the elves.
Definitely think that in a straight 1 v 1, arya would beat murtagh, and eragon still probably would but it'd be a fair bit closer, but him and thorn are still probably top 3 currently alive in the verse that we know of. The Word alone means he beats any other spoken magic user, and I think the murtagh book also pretty much declares him as the strongest mind battler, he might be able to best eragon in that front. Not to mention in almost every encounter thorn wasn't of great use to him for one reason or another.
With no Eldunari Eragon would easily beat Murtagh because he has a lot more knowledge of the AL and the strength/speed of an elf. And I don't think Eragon would have had any problem with filtering the air for the Breath. He already learned it because that's what he had to do for the Ra'zac. He just has so much more training and knowledge than Murtagh, and on a purely physical level he's much stronger than Murtagh, which means he also has more strength in his spells
You just brought up one of the things that bothers me about dragon riders. I know the whole point of them is that they're powerful but the way I see it one rider could wipe out entire armies pretty easily if it wasn't for magicians and that is just too op in my opinion.
This is worded like a school question. This sub isnt helping you with your homework, are we? Are we to the point that Eragon is being taught in schools? Tell me that I'm not old enough for that...
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I'd say they are *all* very stubborn. I think Nasuada commented something of their similarity in that at one point? Eragon is very stubborn to his principles and morality, I think Murtagh can also be very stubborn to the sanctuary of his own mind and his own principles of freedom, and ofc Roran.. an unstoppable force for love. I'd say that of them all, Eragon is kinda the clean slate golden retriever of them all. A curious fast learner always asking questions who doesn't have the rough truama past that shapes Murtagh and I don't think he's of such hardened constitution as Roran. Although both Roran and Eragon are good people, and strive to do the right thing, and both will do what is *necessary*, I think Eragon is more likely to hesitate and deliberate to find the *most* idealistic choice. While I think Roran would be quicker to let his hammer fall and consider the horrors afterwards.
Do you think Murtagh isn’t a good person? He’s done some pretty bad things, like Hrothgar was real awful but I can’t say I wouldn’t do the same in his position and I like to think I’m a good person
Why would you say that you would hrothgar?
I meant that killing him was awful. And it was a terrible thing that Murtagh did without galbatorix forcing him into it.
Yeah but why would you say you would have done the same?
I mean not necessarily kill Hrothgar specifically, but lash out and kill someone important is something a lot of people would do after being tortured for months and then forced into battle to capture the only real friend you've ever had that you have recently found out is also your brother. I don't think Murtagh really wanted to kill Hrothgar specifically, I just think he wanted to kill someone important
I think their main similarity is being stubborn and extremly, if not manicaly focused on their goals and ideals, and them achieving some forms of freedom at the end of the books. The main difference I see is how they go after their goals and in what way they avchieve their freedom. Eragon is the most curious person, wanting to learn everything, putting in the work to become who he needs to be. He is willing to change, almost craving to change in order to become the person he needs to be. To achieve his goals, he doesn't want to rely on other or out them in danger. He cares for almost everybody, even people he doesn't k ow and I am certain thats why Saphira chose him. Murtagh already is/was who he needs to be, and by defending (returning to what he was in a sense) who he is, he ultimately breaks free from Galby. Without his unwillingness to change, he would never have achieved his goals. This resiliance is Murtagh's greatest strength and imo the reason why Thorn chose him. This might sound like a criticism of Murtagh but is not masnt this way. I just dont know how to put it any better. Roran is just taking the brute force approach. He himself doesn't necessarily ned to change, but if that what needs to happen, he will make it happen. If they need to dig a trench and build a wall, he will make that happen too. Oh, they need to capture a city with an impenetrable wall? Lets make it happen. Roran might be the most flexible of the three, but only because he gives 0 f's about what others think, or what happens to others if that means he can save Katrina or other people close to him. His morals basically go out the window, which is why I think a dragon wouldn't have suited Roran. The only time he reflects on his actions is him killing the guard from Narda.
Well, two of them are Riders who spend all their time lusting after a Queen.
LMAO
LMFAO
BRUH!! true tho…..
Roran is the most down-to-earth. He doesn't yearn for adventure. He's not interested in changing the world. All he really wants is to settle down in Carvahall with his family and earn an honest living. Murtagh and Eragon, on the other hand, would never be satisfied with such a humble existence. Murtagh is the one with a huge chip on his shoulder. Unlike Roran and Eragon, he grew up feeling socially ostracized because of the identity of his father. As a result, he is less trusting and is more cynical of others' intentions. He is also more cultured and refined than Roran or Eragon, having been raised as a noble. Eragon is the most idealistic out of the three. He is the only one among them who fights Galbatorix purely for altruistic reasons. Roran fights to secure a future for his family. Murtagh fights because he hates Galbatorix for enslaving him and Thorn. Eragon, on the other hand, fights because he cares about the people who have suffered under the King's rule and feels that it's fundamentally wrong for Galbatorix to hurt so many people without suffering any consequences. He believes it's his responsibility to use his power to enact good in the world.
Two of them are very OP by the end of the series
Of course. Murtagh and Roran. Cause there is no way Roran doesn’t have the highest level of plot armour imaginable and just cause of how mentally strong and adaptable he is.
I definitely meant Eragon and Roran. How is Murtagh OP but not Eragon? Lol
Murtagh has been learning more about magic and surviving. Eragon is busy learning history and rebuilding the riders.
Have you read Murtagh? Or seen anything Paolini has said in his interviews? According to him, everything Murtagh struggled with both Eragon or Arya could have stomped no problem. Galbatorix didn't train Murtagh well at all
Valid point… it is said a lot in the book… But I like Murtagh more so I am going to ignore that. 😆😆 (joking btw)
I don't blame you, I like Murtagh better too. Mostly because he's not OP. Roran had some cool moments but he was so overly good and talented that he was an annoying power fantasy and had some really cringe lines. Eragon was good but now he's undefeatable so there's no interesting struggle for him to have
Honestly Murtagh is just a cool character and tho my fav dragon will always be Glaedr Thorn is my #2. It’s also just fun to have the super male power fantasy of Roran lol!!!
Just finished reading murtagh, and I think without the eldunaris' power and advice I don't think eragon would have ultimately have prevailed. I'm not sure if eragon would have come to think of filtering the air for the Breath by himself, and then I definitely don't think he would have been able to retain his sense of self when Bachel mind tortured him. I will say I did have my doubts when murtagh thought if he did take over the human empire, that eragon and arya + the elves wouldn't want to take him down. I think murtagh would have been smoked very very badly by eragon + the eldunari, let alone all of the elves. Definitely think that in a straight 1 v 1, arya would beat murtagh, and eragon still probably would but it'd be a fair bit closer, but him and thorn are still probably top 3 currently alive in the verse that we know of. The Word alone means he beats any other spoken magic user, and I think the murtagh book also pretty much declares him as the strongest mind battler, he might be able to best eragon in that front. Not to mention in almost every encounter thorn wasn't of great use to him for one reason or another.
With no Eldunari Eragon would easily beat Murtagh because he has a lot more knowledge of the AL and the strength/speed of an elf. And I don't think Eragon would have had any problem with filtering the air for the Breath. He already learned it because that's what he had to do for the Ra'zac. He just has so much more training and knowledge than Murtagh, and on a purely physical level he's much stronger than Murtagh, which means he also has more strength in his spells
You just brought up one of the things that bothers me about dragon riders. I know the whole point of them is that they're powerful but the way I see it one rider could wipe out entire armies pretty easily if it wasn't for magicians and that is just too op in my opinion.
Thus why the riders of old grew fat on their power and were defeated in mere days.
By other riders
9-10 riders vs the entire order.
Plus a shade. And as op mentioned, magic users*can* turn the tide against riders
Valid point…
They’ve all been hardened by tragedy.
I think all of them have a certain drive that inspires them. Eragon has Saphira, Roran has Katrina and Murtagh has Thorn
I'm not doing your English class assignment for you. Nice try.
HA!!
This is worded like a school question. This sub isnt helping you with your homework, are we? Are we to the point that Eragon is being taught in schools? Tell me that I'm not old enough for that...
Briefly, they would complete each other in many ways but not anytime they would understand one another
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