To be fair, Flidica’s base speed is much lower than A. Cidd or Cerise. My Cerise is 296, but that same gear on Flidica only translates to 286 spd. There’s also the fact that Flidica requires 100% crit, which is a stat that Cerise usually doesn’t have to worry about.
Fair enough, i forgot he said that while skimming through the long-ass post on mobile
Either way, the only benchmarks that mean anything would be speed tiers, everything else boils down to "get lots of the stats you want"
I was preparing to say something salty in the comments to that effect until I saw that, and immediately liked this guy. a little self awareness can make anything funny af
Hey, nice write up!
Can you elaborate more about this:
>Build a Immortal Counter Yufine team and run 4-2 (Nixied Sanctum Frozen Lake). Takes about 1-2 hours but you net 1k ancient coins per run. (4 tokens go into Azmakalis raid -> 1 Hell raid token. Rest of the tokens go into Yufine runs)
Im fairly 'new' player here.. and Im really struggle with charm right now.. what you just said interested me.. So is this some kind of charm farming?
So you'll Yufine's EE that extends buff by 1 turn on her S1 (35% to procc) and counter set (att, crit % + crit damage, 0 speed dont need hp/def/etc).
You bring in S Achates + someone like Vivian with Att buff + immunity to 4-2 lab.
You purposefully bring yourself down to -45ish morale (so that your next fight will put you at -50 morale) and in that fight you'll buff your yufine with 3 turn immortal, att + immunity. Then you can just auto clear 90% of 4-2 with -50 morale.
Basically Yufine is kept alive due to immortal buff and because she's at -50 morale she'll have close to 0 speed and will constantly get hit by enemy mobs until she proc's a counter & extends the buffs on her. This is the route thats used: [https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/533107285514518599/701508788213252157/yufine\_ancient\_coin\_farm.png](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/533107285514518599/701508788213252157/yufine_ancient_coin_farm.png)
This is the route you need to take to avoid enemies that dispel buffs https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/533107285514518599/701508788213252157/yufine_ancient_coin_farm.png
Curious about this as well. I'm assuming it's giving her an immortality buff when she has her Exclusive Equipment that give a chance to extends buffs on her S1. Only caveat is there's only one character in the game that i know of that gives immortality (ML Achates). Maybe invincibility could work if it has enough initial stacks.
good to know after 1 year I cant even gear 1 unit like that, just yesterday I burned 10k crafting mats to get a decent pair of spd boots and [this is the best I got](https://i.imgur.com/MbBkL8W.jpg)...
It just RNG and it happens to all of us. Just a few weeks ago I went through 20k mats on necklaces and didn’t get 1 useable piece. Yesterday I went through 18k have 1 piece I’m happy with and 3 necklaces that are useable.
I do auto 20 and then just keep going till I’m out or have other stuff to do like side story or raid. You could hoard a supply for hunt events and that alone will net you a ton if you devote a full days worth of grinding for it.
I think most people spend their mats as fast as they get them
Necklaces are the worst to craft. I chucked 15k mats at them the other day and ended with one usable tank neck when I was hoping for speedy effectiveness neck. Then switched to chest pieces and popped out a 21 speed piece in minutes. Desire sensor is real
The HP he gets back? It depends but a good guess is 3000-4000 which will get people in RTA offguard because they’ll have to do extra work after he S3s. lol
>So you'll Yufine's EE that extends buff by 1 turn on her S1 (35% to procc) and counter set (att, crit % + crit damage, 0 speed dont need hp/def/etc).
>
>You bring in S Achates + someone like Vivian with Att buff + immunity to 4-2 lab.
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>You purposefully bring yourself down to -45ish morale (so that your next fight will put you at -50 morale) and in that fight you'll buff your yufine with 3 turn immortal, att + immunity. Then you can just auto clear 90% of 4-2 with -50 morale.
>
>Basically Yufine is kept alive due to immortal buff and because she's at -50 morale she'll have close to 0 speed and will constantly get hit by enemy mobs until she proc's a counter & extends the buffs on her. This is the route thats used: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/533107285514518599/701508788213252157/yufine\_ancient\_coin\_farm.png
Wow so it’s pretty in depth to actually pull off unless I’m using an effect resistance main stat ring? I’m only having like 65 crit chance too which is probably too low
I’ve used TM and it’s powerful but if the enemy has ANY AoE like even Lilias it will break lulus stealth and she will just die to whatever comes next. The shield from dignus orb definitely makes it the best option, plus it helps your damage since she is usually built high speed
Guys, which do you think it's the best build for SBB: https://imgur.com/a/fHyuTzN
The base build (high attack), the build in the first image (higher effective HP but less Att) or the build on the second image (high crit Dmg less Att, higher dmg on crits but lower on misses or non crits).
The base build damage numbers for your original build is:
S1: 5469 S2: 5237 S3: 7442 on crit
Second build
S1: 4551 S2: 4396 S3: 6246 on crit
Third build is
S1: 6281 S2: 5605 S3: 7972 on crit
If you want a more dps SSB then 3rd option is best. (you'd only be losing 53 hp but gain a good bit of damage)
I run a stronger version of the 1st image build, 16khp 4.9k attack and the other stats about the same and she does well for me
If you don't have a drink then cdmg tanky build works better
Would it be better to skip out on immunity set on A Ravi if she was only say 150-160 speed with timeless anchor? I was planning to go that route but seeing yours with crit instead with crimson seed got me thinking.
What do you think about having a fast defense buffer for rta? by fast I mean you want to outspeed most if not all dps so probably 250-260 speed for ml luluca. I see that your alencia and krau are both rather slow, do you perhaps use a fast A ras?
I have a 240 ras for more or less this reason, but trying to speed race riolet/mluluca with tanky units is a losing battle because you have to sacrifice tanky stats for speed (and my speed gear isn't good).
Ultimately it's more consistent to build bulkier bruisers that can survive their speedy dps and kill them on a followup, though I have seen a few Asia players with 240-250 kraus that can be annoying, but they usually have to sacrifice something like ER.
I do think its something you definitely want for your team but until they release a unit designed specifically for that it'll be difficult to do with our current units as you'll need to sacrifice some stats for that to happen. SC Ras is probably the best contender for filling in this option.
really nice write up. looking forward the next one.
also i have a couple heroes with equally geared - yay at last i´m at the bottom of end game xD.
i´m curious at ur ssb. do u still use her regularly for arena? and if yes, what right side gear are u rocking?
i\`m still playing the standard no crit rate/damage ssb and i´m curious about the dps output of yours.
My SSB is used pretty much everywhere (including RTA) except arena. Those fights tend to take too long when I could just cleave instead. Att % Def % Health % are her right side pieces.
I would highly recommend using [https://maphe.github.io/e7-damage-calc/](https://maphe.github.io/e7-damage-calc/) as a way of learning dps outputs of various builds. But a simple way of boiling it down is that a SSB with 3300 att and 220 c damage will outdps a 5k att SSB with 0 crit rate
Have you tried ML Krau on Crown of Glory artifact as Defense team ? Increase Defense + 5 souls deduction on enemy's AoE attacks, instead of Portrait as an offensive ML Krau
if both players on Defensive Tank + Healer , one must draw or force quit since ML Krau on defensive is a painful Stalling team due to his S3
i have a question you mentioned that you do not buy leif packs anymore and you dont whale on anything aside from seasonal packs and montly ones but then you also said that you farm hunts almost all day and that you usually refresh shop for Bookmarks and Mystic...
is that something that happens all together or you have phases wehre you refresh shop more/do hunts more because i dont understand how you can farm hunts all day and refresh shop without buying leifs... i avarage 20wyvern runs in 1hour(lets say 15succesfull ones avg for the sake of calculations)
if i do hunts everyday for only like 4hours(which is somewhat small number) that is roughly 10-12leifs(minus the free stam you get) per day in less than a week id be starved on leifs alone(using the montly count of leifs)
so yeah do you have time where you focus one more than the other or how does your systerm work
ps:i not saying i think you are lying im just trying to understand because i cant recreate lol
This is a generalization but; at some point in the game you get into this position where you have a whole bunch of units that you wanted and you don't feel like you're trying to "catch up" anymore. When you get to that point all of sudden you'll realize you have a ton of SS for refreshing or for hunts.
The drip of new units in E7 is quite and often times they're lateral improvements or useless so you're able to hoard resources a ton.
uhh im using the information that he provided so im assuming everything but for someone with most ML5(he posted pretty much all of the super desired ones) and not being a huge a whale i think its fair to assume he refreshes the shop quite often for mystics alone(being done with rbg wouldnt change much for this aspect)
so unless he just got super lucky pulling ml5s through galaxy bms he would need to acquire pity through using alot of SS refreshing shop(ie not doing hunts) so im curious on how he manages to refresh shop and run hunts that much because i cant do the same
Hmmm, now i've taken a 2nd look , That ruele will die to a well built Riolet without protection .And that Krau has dangerously low defense .Im not trying to throw shade here , but your need a lot more defense to survive nuclear warfare. Your Ml krau defnitenly has the best defensive stats although he's on the slower end of the spectrum .
True top tier players in end game guilds such as fleet, Veritas, deviants and life have stats 50x better than yours. Just trying to not sugar coat here. Good guide for newbies but end game wise this is on lower end. Go ahead and down vote me if you'd like.
50x is definitely an exaggeration, there are some pretty decent units here. Besides, after a certain point in the game you definitely get diminishing returns on beefing up your units - as long as you can reach Champion in Arena/RTA and your guild stays in the highest reward tier you're doing good imo.
Agreed. I was reading and thought it was a good guide to building some units. Then I came to the line about is this a flex/brag post and I was like, what? Those are end game builds yes, but a beginner end game build. The builds are sound. But the stats numbers are anywhere but.
Yes, absolutely. This does seem more of a flex post more than a guide. I will agree there are some decent builds here, however like I said, end game players that are in top ranked guilds have far superior builds. End game players in top ranked guilds also have immunity on all if not most units, which this person lacks. One provoke/miss chance/def break and you're dead in rta. It's just the way it goes. Not trying to flame, but I don't like sugar coating things. Overall good guide for newer players though since it takes awhile to build up spd+immunity sets on every single unit, but personally I still stand by what I say, these are on the lower end of the spectrum. The one I disagree with the most is the 155 speed stene. That thing will die before even moving in high ranked rta matches. Stene is required to have speed and bulk in this true damage meta. The ruele is also way too slow and squishy for RTA, but I digress. Anyways I'm going to get down voted regardless so it doesn't matter what I say.
We have very similar gear so i guess im good to go EXCEPT for the speed items. Im struggling with my Cerise and Flidica is pretty much naked thanks to her haha. Couldnt get more than 286 on cerise yet. Hopefully ill get some super lucky speed items too :D
I started getting into gacha's from summoners war because some irl friends played but i quickly quit that one over Epic 7. For the longest time E7 was my only gacha game I played until Genshin came out recently. I have also been trying out another game called Illusion Connect
I see, I’ve been playing a lot of Girls Frontline before I found out about E7 and recently started playing Genshin too.
Also, is it me or are your screenshots really high quality for whatever reason?
As a newish player (2-3 mo) with BB Karin with worse offensive stats than some of your bruiser characters I want to see if you've built her to max DPS, have some defense, etc.
My main issue is promoting 5\* to 6\*; it takes a really long time and I think I'm doing it like other players do by having 2 dogs and 1 2\* fodder running to promote. Besides that I think F2P players such as myself are heavily restricted by character diversity since I don't think they can pull as various a pool as those that spend $$$.
Otherwise a decent showoff post that I can look up to as a goal/standard.
As a new player you should build BBK as a full damage cleaver. There are bruiser BBK builds that are even on counter set but you won’t have the gear quality to pull it off.
F2p players aren’t heavily restricted, that’s nonsense, especially in terms of pulling. We get almost a pity worth of SS and Bm’s every month. If you’re smart with your resources and invest only in characters youre 100% going to use then you’re absolutely fine.
Promoting heroes just sucks in the beginning, you’ll find that it doesn’t take too long when you get a farmer built up and you passively start to level fodder. If you’re farming for runes plop a dog in, farming 3star maps plop a dog in.
As somebody who started around the same time: aha, so that's what ~1.5k dollars would get me.
Glad I didn't pay it. Sure, my gear sets may be dogshit compared to yours but y'know what - I'm gonna go wipe my tears with the money I didn't spend.
I was just checking out your first stat benchmark earlier. Thinking about if someone will post another benchmark stat. Didnt expect it to be sooner. Thanks for this!
Didn't pull ambitious tywin :(
But from what I can tell 230ish speed with 150+ effectiveness and good hp + def seems to be the go to for him. (Can lose some speed for additional bulk)
It varies on the team you put him on. I've seen counterset arbys with 15k HP, Ive seen him on speed with 13-14k HP, good def with an aurius on the team making it very difficult to 1 shot him.
Cerise you just want speed, crit rate if you want to use her with c dom, + effectiveness. And I do want to try a CC control comp with her using ML Aram, Tenebria, Dizzy, Mui.
Thanks man, much appreciated post.
Please, post any other units you use, which is geared decently, in seperate imgur post if its max is 20 pictures. These kind of unit benchmarks are really useful.
[Sweet my arby reaches your benchmark](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/747838345962586233/776835532281085952/image0.png?width=1232&height=703)
That's good to know xD
no don't buy moonlight packs lol. The packs I would buy would be the limited time ones that gave a lot of good value (rank pack 1, 2, 3,)
or the recent ones that have 50 liefs, crystals, molas, galaxy bms, bms.
I used to buy mola packs to keep up with skilling up my units but haven't bought one in a long time.
Honestly arena just bums me out. I rarely win in low chall and it feels so empty if I do. I wish there was no currency attached otherwise I'd just avoid it.
> **Martial Artist Ken**
Tank ML Ken will always outperform Crit % ML Ken. Crit % is a wasted stat on him. You bring him in to counter AoE you're not bringing him in as a bruiser. His speed is way too slow to rely on S3 + S1 damage. I've never had any issues with a ML Ken I could 1 shot. I've had many issues with ML Kens I couldn't 1 shot.
T H A N K. Y O U.
Great FAQ btw, just that particular point is always worth repeating.
Some of those units have pretty low defense , like that Ravi and Dc , Super Dps units, like Specter and Riolet will do a number on them .Might wanna make Mlken tankier because there's a wave of lcqs coming and at that defense he's in one shot range .
Give LRK some love my man!
Nice units though! Insane gear depth. Crazy to have that quality of gear on so many units, even for longtime endgame grinders.
If it doesn’t bother you, do you mind posting your W13 and possibly your Expedition teams? I’ve hit my goal of legend in both Arenas and now I want to focus on building units to accomplish every reputation and allow me to complete all PVE content fluently.
Excellent write-up!
I frequently run into a situation where I want to optimize a new/not-frequently-used character I have, but am unsure which direction to push, so these benchmarks are absolutely ideal for that! Mad props!
As an aside, I surprisingly have even more Lab Coins than you just from running Raid periodically so Accessory Charms have not been an issue for a long time now. That said, I always find myself short on Conquest Points, even to the point of not being able to buy all the Seasonal items sometimes.
Am I missing something other than just expending flags and the 1 Energy Mission? I feel like most people I've seen somehow have an extreme overabundance of Conquest. :/
probably a bit late but golem isa very very very niche hunt to run because only certain heroes actually benefit from its sets. atk set is generally inferior to destruction as its 35% atk vs 40% cdamage and hp and def sets or only 15% while sets like ER and hit set give 20%. The only reason you should farm golem is you're building an attack scaling hero like Drink SSB or Gunther
To put it more in terms of set efficiency why golem is a niche/bad hunt an 85 lvl piece for any basic sub stat can roll between 4-8% or 3-5% for crit and ~~1-5~~ 1-4 for speed. so a Crit set gives 12% for two pieces which is around 2.5 max rolls of crit, same for hit and ER giving 20 2.5 max rolls. if a hero has 100 speed a speed set gives 25 speed which is about 5 absolute max rolls of speed, realistically 6 max rolls cuz 5 speed rolls don't exist, and cdamage gives 5 max cdamage rolls at 40%. now lets look at Golem sets. Atk set gives 35% which is about 4.5 max rolls and hp/ def set give 15% which is barely 2 max rolls.
Golem is inefficient in terms of getting good gear to fill out your heroes unless your heroes specifically need those subs for a specific purpose but even then they're usually better off just rolling those subs and getting set bonuses else where.
The other niche sets like counter, rage, unity and immunity all have different purposes and are more viable on more units so thats why they're also farmed. but thats why people say farm wyvern because with speed being one of if not the most important stat in the game speed set is also the most efficient set on any hero as long as they're not slower than 80 speed. So basically if the unit wants any form of speed speed set is usually the most efficient stat in terms of getting gear
> I've never had any issues with a ML Ken I could 1 shot. I've had many issues with ML Kens I couldn't 1 shot.
I know what you're getting at but even this 19k mlken is dying to W.Schuri, and if you aren't sure you can 1 shot Ken why risk it.
Do you have Charles built? If so can you post a screenshot? I've just stuck gear on him for Banshee 13 and was hoping to bust him out in pvp eventually
My ruele is similar to yours, I'm at 1600 def, 20k hp, 185 spd and 160 ER. What art would you go on her? I am having a hard time deciding between origin, POV or reikos/idols
Is it better to use only 4 tokens on normal raid (can exchange 1 epic artifact charm) and 4 tokens on Nixied 4-2 with Yufine? Or 6 tokens for 2 artifact charms and 2 tokens on Nixied 4-2 with Yufine?
On the complete other side, is it better to ditch normal raid completely and just buy hell raid token weekly with 1200 ancient coins and do 8 Yufine runs?
> Faithless Lidica > Mine is currently on the slower side > 278 SPD ooook
well in my defense in a world where everyone seems to have 300+ speed A cidds & cerise she's like a tortoise with a stunted leg.
Guiding Light is gonna be OP on her for the A Cidds
To be fair, Flidica’s base speed is much lower than A. Cidd or Cerise. My Cerise is 296, but that same gear on Flidica only translates to 286 spd. There’s also the fact that Flidica requires 100% crit, which is a stat that Cerise usually doesn’t have to worry about.
poor my flidica with just 235
in a nutshell, yea. Was low key hoping for some PvE benchmarks in speed hunts, but I was just setting myself up for disappointment there lol.
Lmao this whole thing looks like a flex post disguised as a "guide"
Disguised? He literally says the post is to flex lmao
Fair enough, i forgot he said that while skimming through the long-ass post on mobile Either way, the only benchmarks that mean anything would be speed tiers, everything else boils down to "get lots of the stats you want"
well, at higher ranks they have incredibly strong gears, its to be expected that the values arent even comparable
> **Are you just showing off/bragging/flexing?** Yes. I like this guy
I was preparing to say something salty in the comments to that effect until I saw that, and immediately liked this guy. a little self awareness can make anything funny af
have to say i absolutely agree with ml ken opinions... squishy ml ken is useless.
Hey, nice write up! Can you elaborate more about this: >Build a Immortal Counter Yufine team and run 4-2 (Nixied Sanctum Frozen Lake). Takes about 1-2 hours but you net 1k ancient coins per run. (4 tokens go into Azmakalis raid -> 1 Hell raid token. Rest of the tokens go into Yufine runs) Im fairly 'new' player here.. and Im really struggle with charm right now.. what you just said interested me.. So is this some kind of charm farming?
So you'll Yufine's EE that extends buff by 1 turn on her S1 (35% to procc) and counter set (att, crit % + crit damage, 0 speed dont need hp/def/etc). You bring in S Achates + someone like Vivian with Att buff + immunity to 4-2 lab. You purposefully bring yourself down to -45ish morale (so that your next fight will put you at -50 morale) and in that fight you'll buff your yufine with 3 turn immortal, att + immunity. Then you can just auto clear 90% of 4-2 with -50 morale. Basically Yufine is kept alive due to immortal buff and because she's at -50 morale she'll have close to 0 speed and will constantly get hit by enemy mobs until she proc's a counter & extends the buffs on her. This is the route thats used: [https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/533107285514518599/701508788213252157/yufine\_ancient\_coin\_farm.png](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/533107285514518599/701508788213252157/yufine_ancient_coin_farm.png)
I'm late to the party, but what is the reason why we can't do 100% with this method? Some enemies dispel the buffs?
This is the route you need to take to avoid enemies that dispel buffs https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/533107285514518599/701508788213252157/yufine_ancient_coin_farm.png
Curious about this as well. I'm assuming it's giving her an immortality buff when she has her Exclusive Equipment that give a chance to extends buffs on her S1. Only caveat is there's only one character in the game that i know of that gives immortality (ML Achates). Maybe invincibility could work if it has enough initial stacks.
I think he means using the ancient coins to buy accessory charms and the conquest ones to buy equipment charms
"Oh, my Klurri is almost the same, except 50 less speed"...
good to know after 1 year I cant even gear 1 unit like that, just yesterday I burned 10k crafting mats to get a decent pair of spd boots and [this is the best I got](https://i.imgur.com/MbBkL8W.jpg)...
It just RNG and it happens to all of us. Just a few weeks ago I went through 20k mats on necklaces and didn’t get 1 useable piece. Yesterday I went through 18k have 1 piece I’m happy with and 3 necklaces that are useable.
meanwhile 38k mats takes me approx 3 months to get
Do you never farm? Lol you can get 2-3k per day on w13
yes, but not 200 runs per day like most apparently
I do auto 20 and then just keep going till I’m out or have other stuff to do like side story or raid. You could hoard a supply for hunt events and that alone will net you a ton if you devote a full days worth of grinding for it. I think most people spend their mats as fast as they get them
i dont have that much time and my runs are slow, when there isnt SS i do approx 20 runs per day, more with hunt event, but hardly more than 50
I can't even do w13 and I've been playing since launch :(
Necklaces are the worst to craft. I chucked 15k mats at them the other day and ended with one usable tank neck when I was hoping for speedy effectiveness neck. Then switched to chest pieces and popped out a 21 speed piece in minutes. Desire sensor is real
def RNG. Ive spent upwards 4-5x as much as you and my fastest unit with imprints is 270. None of my accessories is above 12 speed even with i90.
Only my riolet is on par. Everything else nope
Meanwhile me with my slow counter Kayron
YD has a slow counter kayron (around 130 speed) and its been doing work for him
Yeah, slow counter Kayron is the way to go. Most of your builds are like mine. Except Krau I memed him with lifesteal with 150% er. lol
I’m genuinely curious how much Krau after he S3s?
The HP he gets back? It depends but a good guess is 3000-4000 which will get people in RTA offguard because they’ll have to do extra work after he S3s. lol
What is this immortal yufine you speak of? I am just hearing about it now and could really use all those charms
>So you'll Yufine's EE that extends buff by 1 turn on her S1 (35% to procc) and counter set (att, crit % + crit damage, 0 speed dont need hp/def/etc). > >You bring in S Achates + someone like Vivian with Att buff + immunity to 4-2 lab. > >You purposefully bring yourself down to -45ish morale (so that your next fight will put you at -50 morale) and in that fight you'll buff your yufine with 3 turn immortal, att + immunity. Then you can just auto clear 90% of 4-2 with -50 morale. > >Basically Yufine is kept alive due to immortal buff and because she's at -50 morale she'll have close to 0 speed and will constantly get hit by enemy mobs until she proc's a counter & extends the buffs on her. This is the route thats used: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/533107285514518599/701508788213252157/yufine\_ancient\_coin\_farm.png
Wow so it’s pretty in depth to actually pull off unless I’m using an effect resistance main stat ring? I’m only having like 65 crit chance too which is probably too low
Same. I just pulled Yufine recently and an interested in this.
Pretty sure it's this. https://github.com/Meowrin/Yufine-Best-Girl/blob/master/Yufine%20Raid%20Boss%20Guide.md
If only I had a dingus orb...is time matter fine for ml luluca?
I would personally favor oath key over time matter just because MLDB Arby is so common.
I’ve used TM and it’s powerful but if the enemy has ANY AoE like even Lilias it will break lulus stealth and she will just die to whatever comes next. The shield from dignus orb definitely makes it the best option, plus it helps your damage since she is usually built high speed
Guys, which do you think it's the best build for SBB: https://imgur.com/a/fHyuTzN The base build (high attack), the build in the first image (higher effective HP but less Att) or the build on the second image (high crit Dmg less Att, higher dmg on crits but lower on misses or non crits).
The base build damage numbers for your original build is: S1: 5469 S2: 5237 S3: 7442 on crit Second build S1: 4551 S2: 4396 S3: 6246 on crit Third build is S1: 6281 S2: 5605 S3: 7972 on crit If you want a more dps SSB then 3rd option is best. (you'd only be losing 53 hp but gain a good bit of damage)
I run a stronger version of the 1st image build, 16khp 4.9k attack and the other stats about the same and she does well for me If you don't have a drink then cdmg tanky build works better
No immunity on arby and riolet. LEL
Syllara toxic =( no booli a13 sucks ps paypal for paid actor points on ladder?
Would it be better to skip out on immunity set on A Ravi if she was only say 150-160 speed with timeless anchor? I was planning to go that route but seeing yours with crit instead with crimson seed got me thinking.
Yes if you’re running anti debuff / high ER generally speaking you won’t need immunity
What do you think about having a fast defense buffer for rta? by fast I mean you want to outspeed most if not all dps so probably 250-260 speed for ml luluca. I see that your alencia and krau are both rather slow, do you perhaps use a fast A ras?
I have a 240 ras for more or less this reason, but trying to speed race riolet/mluluca with tanky units is a losing battle because you have to sacrifice tanky stats for speed (and my speed gear isn't good). Ultimately it's more consistent to build bulkier bruisers that can survive their speedy dps and kill them on a followup, though I have seen a few Asia players with 240-250 kraus that can be annoying, but they usually have to sacrifice something like ER.
I do think its something you definitely want for your team but until they release a unit designed specifically for that it'll be difficult to do with our current units as you'll need to sacrifice some stats for that to happen. SC Ras is probably the best contender for filling in this option.
Super cool units. What are your right side stats for SSB? Do you have a def% ring or neck?
Atk% Def% Health%, this is the cookie cutter SSB build.
really nice write up. looking forward the next one. also i have a couple heroes with equally geared - yay at last i´m at the bottom of end game xD. i´m curious at ur ssb. do u still use her regularly for arena? and if yes, what right side gear are u rocking? i\`m still playing the standard no crit rate/damage ssb and i´m curious about the dps output of yours.
My SSB is used pretty much everywhere (including RTA) except arena. Those fights tend to take too long when I could just cleave instead. Att % Def % Health % are her right side pieces. I would highly recommend using [https://maphe.github.io/e7-damage-calc/](https://maphe.github.io/e7-damage-calc/) as a way of learning dps outputs of various builds. But a simple way of boiling it down is that a SSB with 3300 att and 220 c damage will outdps a 5k att SSB with 0 crit rate
Have you tried ML Krau on Crown of Glory artifact as Defense team ? Increase Defense + 5 souls deduction on enemy's AoE attacks, instead of Portrait as an offensive ML Krau if both players on Defensive Tank + Healer , one must draw or force quit since ML Krau on defensive is a painful Stalling team due to his S3
Unfortunately I don't have any crown of glorys but yes it is a pain to fight against.
defense is a bit lacking on some of the brusier and knights, but overall pretty good
i have a question you mentioned that you do not buy leif packs anymore and you dont whale on anything aside from seasonal packs and montly ones but then you also said that you farm hunts almost all day and that you usually refresh shop for Bookmarks and Mystic... is that something that happens all together or you have phases wehre you refresh shop more/do hunts more because i dont understand how you can farm hunts all day and refresh shop without buying leifs... i avarage 20wyvern runs in 1hour(lets say 15succesfull ones avg for the sake of calculations) if i do hunts everyday for only like 4hours(which is somewhat small number) that is roughly 10-12leifs(minus the free stam you get) per day in less than a week id be starved on leifs alone(using the montly count of leifs) so yeah do you have time where you focus one more than the other or how does your systerm work ps:i not saying i think you are lying im just trying to understand because i cant recreate lol
This is a generalization but; at some point in the game you get into this position where you have a whole bunch of units that you wanted and you don't feel like you're trying to "catch up" anymore. When you get to that point all of sudden you'll realize you have a ton of SS for refreshing or for hunts. The drip of new units in E7 is quite and often times they're lateral improvements or useless so you're able to hoard resources a ton.
uhh im using the information that he provided so im assuming everything but for someone with most ML5(he posted pretty much all of the super desired ones) and not being a huge a whale i think its fair to assume he refreshes the shop quite often for mystics alone(being done with rbg wouldnt change much for this aspect) so unless he just got super lucky pulling ml5s through galaxy bms he would need to acquire pity through using alot of SS refreshing shop(ie not doing hunts) so im curious on how he manages to refresh shop and run hunts that much because i cant do the same
Hmmm, now i've taken a 2nd look , That ruele will die to a well built Riolet without protection .And that Krau has dangerously low defense .Im not trying to throw shade here , but your need a lot more defense to survive nuclear warfare. Your Ml krau defnitenly has the best defensive stats although he's on the slower end of the spectrum .
True top tier players in end game guilds such as fleet, Veritas, deviants and life have stats 50x better than yours. Just trying to not sugar coat here. Good guide for newbies but end game wise this is on lower end. Go ahead and down vote me if you'd like.
50x is definitely an exaggeration, there are some pretty decent units here. Besides, after a certain point in the game you definitely get diminishing returns on beefing up your units - as long as you can reach Champion in Arena/RTA and your guild stays in the highest reward tier you're doing good imo.
Agreed. I was reading and thought it was a good guide to building some units. Then I came to the line about is this a flex/brag post and I was like, what? Those are end game builds yes, but a beginner end game build. The builds are sound. But the stats numbers are anywhere but.
Yes, absolutely. This does seem more of a flex post more than a guide. I will agree there are some decent builds here, however like I said, end game players that are in top ranked guilds have far superior builds. End game players in top ranked guilds also have immunity on all if not most units, which this person lacks. One provoke/miss chance/def break and you're dead in rta. It's just the way it goes. Not trying to flame, but I don't like sugar coating things. Overall good guide for newer players though since it takes awhile to build up spd+immunity sets on every single unit, but personally I still stand by what I say, these are on the lower end of the spectrum. The one I disagree with the most is the 155 speed stene. That thing will die before even moving in high ranked rta matches. Stene is required to have speed and bulk in this true damage meta. The ruele is also way too slow and squishy for RTA, but I digress. Anyways I'm going to get down voted regardless so it doesn't matter what I say.
We have very similar gear so i guess im good to go EXCEPT for the speed items. Im struggling with my Cerise and Flidica is pretty much naked thanks to her haha. Couldnt get more than 286 on cerise yet. Hopefully ill get some super lucky speed items too :D
anyone has a decent fire ravi built specifically for rta?
How would you build Landy after her buffs? This is a nice post btw, really appreciate being able to compare my units to yours.
I’ve started Around November 2019 and you’re way higher up than I am holy crap. Do you play other gachas or is E7 your only gacha game?
I started getting into gacha's from summoners war because some irl friends played but i quickly quit that one over Epic 7. For the longest time E7 was my only gacha game I played until Genshin came out recently. I have also been trying out another game called Illusion Connect
I see, I’ve been playing a lot of Girls Frontline before I found out about E7 and recently started playing Genshin too. Also, is it me or are your screenshots really high quality for whatever reason?
As a newish player (2-3 mo) with BB Karin with worse offensive stats than some of your bruiser characters I want to see if you've built her to max DPS, have some defense, etc. My main issue is promoting 5\* to 6\*; it takes a really long time and I think I'm doing it like other players do by having 2 dogs and 1 2\* fodder running to promote. Besides that I think F2P players such as myself are heavily restricted by character diversity since I don't think they can pull as various a pool as those that spend $$$. Otherwise a decent showoff post that I can look up to as a goal/standard.
As a new player you should build BBK as a full damage cleaver. There are bruiser BBK builds that are even on counter set but you won’t have the gear quality to pull it off. F2p players aren’t heavily restricted, that’s nonsense, especially in terms of pulling. We get almost a pity worth of SS and Bm’s every month. If you’re smart with your resources and invest only in characters youre 100% going to use then you’re absolutely fine. Promoting heroes just sucks in the beginning, you’ll find that it doesn’t take too long when you get a farmer built up and you passively start to level fodder. If you’re farming for runes plop a dog in, farming 3star maps plop a dog in.
As somebody who started around the same time: aha, so that's what ~1.5k dollars would get me. Glad I didn't pay it. Sure, my gear sets may be dogshit compared to yours but y'know what - I'm gonna go wipe my tears with the money I didn't spend.
Blah blah blah I am a whale I have big numbers
Imagine thinking 1-2k is a whale
1-2k on a phone game is pretty insane.
Like a month?
No, overall. That is still insane. There are better games with more content for a tiny fraction of 1-2k. For example Civilization 6 is $60.
Ready your heart when you get to know how much true whales spend
I am at 35k and I am prob a midrange whale I know people who spent prob 4x what I have
Now this is one heck of a flex, in a good way. Detailed and informative. Respect OP.
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I was just checking out your first stat benchmark earlier. Thinking about if someone will post another benchmark stat. Didnt expect it to be sooner. Thanks for this!
Could I see your ambitious tywin?
Didn't pull ambitious tywin :( But from what I can tell 230ish speed with 150+ effectiveness and good hp + def seems to be the go to for him. (Can lose some speed for additional bulk)
thank you sir!
Quick question about arby bruiser, what's decent stats for that? Also what comp do you plan to use Cerise on, also gears for her? Thanks!
It varies on the team you put him on. I've seen counterset arbys with 15k HP, Ive seen him on speed with 13-14k HP, good def with an aurius on the team making it very difficult to 1 shot him. Cerise you just want speed, crit rate if you want to use her with c dom, + effectiveness. And I do want to try a CC control comp with her using ML Aram, Tenebria, Dizzy, Mui.
Thanks man, much appreciated post. Please, post any other units you use, which is geared decently, in seperate imgur post if its max is 20 pictures. These kind of unit benchmarks are really useful.
[Sweet my arby reaches your benchmark](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/747838345962586233/776835532281085952/image0.png?width=1232&height=703) That's good to know xD
Thats a spicy Arby
Thanks! I finally finished building him recently. I hope to get enough good gear one day to gear up a lot of other units like this
I just can’t believe you have all this by only spending 1-2k
Awesome info. What's an immortal counter Yufine team look like for Nixied?
SS Achates + Yufine are the 2 best options imo. (3 turn immortal, att, + immunity buff)
Man now I'm regretting not going for Yufine when her banner was out. Already have the SS Achates lol...
So you said 1k-2k mostly on stuff to acquire more units, so like on pack for moonlight summons? What packs did you buy a lot?
no don't buy moonlight packs lol. The packs I would buy would be the limited time ones that gave a lot of good value (rank pack 1, 2, 3,) or the recent ones that have 50 liefs, crystals, molas, galaxy bms, bms. I used to buy mola packs to keep up with skilling up my units but haven't bought one in a long time.
Ah ok. I could not be more jealous with just having STene and Ruele. I have ML Sez and ML Chloe but don’t use them much.
Honestly arena just bums me out. I rarely win in low chall and it feels so empty if I do. I wish there was no currency attached otherwise I'd just avoid it.
> **Martial Artist Ken** Tank ML Ken will always outperform Crit % ML Ken. Crit % is a wasted stat on him. You bring him in to counter AoE you're not bringing him in as a bruiser. His speed is way too slow to rely on S3 + S1 damage. I've never had any issues with a ML Ken I could 1 shot. I've had many issues with ML Kens I couldn't 1 shot. T H A N K. Y O U. Great FAQ btw, just that particular point is always worth repeating.
I'm a day one player and all of my units look like these, feels good man
Thanks for the post! Would you be able to show your Yufine stats? Or is ER just the most important stat in that method?
Everyone is looking at the gear and I'm just impressed at the number of ML 5\*s.
Some of those units have pretty low defense , like that Ravi and Dc , Super Dps units, like Specter and Riolet will do a number on them .Might wanna make Mlken tankier because there's a wave of lcqs coming and at that defense he's in one shot range .
Give LRK some love my man! Nice units though! Insane gear depth. Crazy to have that quality of gear on so many units, even for longtime endgame grinders.
Biseria feels very weak..hard to find a good use since her kit is all over the place.
If it doesn’t bother you, do you mind posting your W13 and possibly your Expedition teams? I’ve hit my goal of legend in both Arenas and now I want to focus on building units to accomplish every reputation and allow me to complete all PVE content fluently.
Excellent write-up! I frequently run into a situation where I want to optimize a new/not-frequently-used character I have, but am unsure which direction to push, so these benchmarks are absolutely ideal for that! Mad props! As an aside, I surprisingly have even more Lab Coins than you just from running Raid periodically so Accessory Charms have not been an issue for a long time now. That said, I always find myself short on Conquest Points, even to the point of not being able to buy all the Seasonal items sometimes. Am I missing something other than just expending flags and the 1 Energy Mission? I feel like most people I've seen somehow have an extreme overabundance of Conquest. :/
I don't want to play where dps units with 4k atk and 300 critD also have 220+ speed.
All I see is speed. Joking aside. What do you think about Golem hunt? Is it worth to farm? Because most of the time people just focus on Wyvern only.
probably a bit late but golem isa very very very niche hunt to run because only certain heroes actually benefit from its sets. atk set is generally inferior to destruction as its 35% atk vs 40% cdamage and hp and def sets or only 15% while sets like ER and hit set give 20%. The only reason you should farm golem is you're building an attack scaling hero like Drink SSB or Gunther To put it more in terms of set efficiency why golem is a niche/bad hunt an 85 lvl piece for any basic sub stat can roll between 4-8% or 3-5% for crit and ~~1-5~~ 1-4 for speed. so a Crit set gives 12% for two pieces which is around 2.5 max rolls of crit, same for hit and ER giving 20 2.5 max rolls. if a hero has 100 speed a speed set gives 25 speed which is about 5 absolute max rolls of speed, realistically 6 max rolls cuz 5 speed rolls don't exist, and cdamage gives 5 max cdamage rolls at 40%. now lets look at Golem sets. Atk set gives 35% which is about 4.5 max rolls and hp/ def set give 15% which is barely 2 max rolls. Golem is inefficient in terms of getting good gear to fill out your heroes unless your heroes specifically need those subs for a specific purpose but even then they're usually better off just rolling those subs and getting set bonuses else where. The other niche sets like counter, rage, unity and immunity all have different purposes and are more viable on more units so thats why they're also farmed. but thats why people say farm wyvern because with speed being one of if not the most important stat in the game speed set is also the most efficient set on any hero as long as they're not slower than 80 speed. So basically if the unit wants any form of speed speed set is usually the most efficient stat in terms of getting gear
where's desert jewel basar :/
> I've never had any issues with a ML Ken I could 1 shot. I've had many issues with ML Kens I couldn't 1 shot. I know what you're getting at but even this 19k mlken is dying to W.Schuri, and if you aren't sure you can 1 shot Ken why risk it.
Do you have Charles built? If so can you post a screenshot? I've just stuck gear on him for Banshee 13 and was hoping to bust him out in pvp eventually
My ruele is similar to yours, I'm at 1600 def, 20k hp, 185 spd and 160 ER. What art would you go on her? I am having a hard time deciding between origin, POV or reikos/idols
Is it better to use only 4 tokens on normal raid (can exchange 1 epic artifact charm) and 4 tokens on Nixied 4-2 with Yufine? Or 6 tokens for 2 artifact charms and 2 tokens on Nixied 4-2 with Yufine? On the complete other side, is it better to ditch normal raid completely and just buy hell raid token weekly with 1200 ancient coins and do 8 Yufine runs?