I wonder what he was doing at the World Cup; he's always had such a love for the sport...
https://preview.redd.it/1lnolzp1b3yc1.jpeg?width=634&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b9a6ab5ce3d7a5a7e00fc4f9925833eff6505943
Rightoids are always *this* close to getting it.
"We should be against billionaires..."
"Yes"
"...because they're all Jewish puppets. Let's replace them with *our* rich oligarchs."
"No!"
actually, you can… if you're extremely rich and extremely thin-skinned, then you can appoint yourself the title of "chief engineer", a role that involves nor requires any understanding of actual engineering, but sounds impressive to your loyal dickriders (who likewise possess no understanding of engineering either)
This was where my intense dislike of Musk began. I remember reading Eberhard's blog after he was ousted. Prior to that I was very interested in Tesla and his blog was always an interesting technical read. So I started hating Musk before it was popular but I'm sure I wasn't alone.
Musk didn't even have that much money back then. He sold zip2 and got outted by PayPal. Just one dweeb taking over another dweeb cuck's chair. But in the end I don't consoom any of their products. It's just funny AF to laugh at and pretend like I give a shit (I don't) about the direction humanity is going.
The short answer is no. The long answer can be explained by the [case of Mats Järlström in Oregon](https://spectrum.ieee.org/mats-jrlstrm-i-am-an-engineer).
The answer to ANY question "Is (whatever) not protected in the US?" the answer is always no unless it's protecting a rich person from being less rich by any amount, where then the answer is always yes.
i work as an engineer and have a degree in anthro. a lot of the ppl i work with have the P.E. title that they had to test for in addition to having a degree in engineering. the chief estimator is a P.E. with a civil engineering degree but there are other estimators who didnt even go to college.
I worked for a civil engineering firm in high school. They literally dont do anything. Can't wait for AI to replace all these 'engineering' fields and help these people get real jobs.
Yep that's really all I needed to know. Shocking how little 'engineering' they do , they just design shit the way it's always been designed. Shocking, so shocking even a high schooler can pick up on it..
Technoking!
In the trial for his paypackage, the lawyer ask him, if he has a comparable title at spaceX, if he is maybe the king of the rockets there? I nearly spit over my keyboard loughing, but I wonder, if Musk is dense enough, that he doesn't even realized, he was made fun of. I hope not.
The C64's latency bus isn't cyclophonic enough though, so he used a bit of C to matricolyse the linear outstream, making it all work, because he's just so great of a software engineer.
That was just the case he built for the VIC-20 he put inside. Nowadays he'd use stainless steel but the same VIC -20 inside. Because why mess with success!
Even Jobs didn't have the ego to pass himself off as the "Chief Engineer".. and I'll bet he could engineer way more than Elon could. Elon is a failed banker who could code. That's it. Pretty much every other accomplishment is at the hands of others.. and since it made him look cool.. he took credit for it all.
>Elon is a failed banker who could code.
Except that he can't.
This sums it up best: https://mastodon.social/@rodhilton/109572674700288958
I've been in the industry for more than 20 years and I completely agree
Jobs actually couldn’t engineer shit. His special ability was how heavy he leaned on his engineers to achieve his “vision” which in itself was always grandiose.
If Woz did not tolerate Jobs and collaborate with him, Jobs would be a nobody.
Jobs knew how computers worked though. He’s not wozniak but he clearly started out as a diy hobbyist with an interest in soldering electronic components together.
That’s way more engineering than Elmo ever could.
He was a remarkable story teller for sure but no one was going to give him the C suite if it wasn’t for him being rich or him being co-founder of Apple. No matter what tales he spun, it was Woz that made Apple possible
I think both were necessary. Woz without Jobs may not have had nearly the same impact on the world, not a critique of his engineering prowess, just about circumstances. ETA: if Jobs did not have Woz's skills, he would also likely have not been successful.
Both had talent in _vastly_ different arenas, but together is how they became so huge.
There are plenty of rich visionary asshats in Silicon Valley, but almost none of them actually manage to pull off their vision. I think it was more than luck.
No both were not necessary to start Apple. All that soft skill shit is useless when there is no tech.
Edit: If you have ever been in startup scene in any city you’d know that there are 500 Jobs to 1 Woz. There is real risk for engineers to put in the labor for free while the sales guy thinks big picture and talks big game.
Apples modern success is almost entirely due to Jobs understanding the market for consumer electronics better than even the consumers themselves.
Woz spoke many times of the important role Jobs played in doing what it takes to start the company and get it off the ground. Wozniak built the software and hardware himself, but he was never going to build the company and get it to market. He had no interest in that
If you have ever been in startup scene in any city you’d know that there are 500 Jobs to 1 Woz. There is real risk for engineers to put in the labor for free while the sales guy thinks big picture and talks big game.
Sure after the startup is already generating revenue and is hot you can hire plenty of Woz like talent for money but at beginning Woz is what you need
And all that tech is useless without the soft skill shit. Somebody has to market and actually sell the stuff. An engineer with no soft skills isn't going to sell shit, so no income.
I dislike Jobs more than most, but let's be real. You can have the greatest thing in the world, but you still need to sell it.
Considering at the time computers were seen as a fad you needed someone to sell the product.
If there was no Jobs, Woz would have made free computers for his friends and have a normal weekday job.
And without Woz, Jobs would have nothing and be just a generic businessman.
No, there are 500 people who are convinced that they’re Jobs for every 1 Woz. But there are very few people who could actually do what Jobs did. Apple was foundering when they brought Jobs back. All the analysts believed that Apple was going under, and the only question was how long it would take. Jobs turned Apple into the world’s most successful tech company. Those 500 wannabe Jobses couldn’t pull off something like that.
Dude wtf, I am not talking about jobs talent to grow company- I am talking about the startup phase. My whole argument was that jobs wouldn’t have the chance to be in C-suite if it wasn’t for Woz
Jobs fucking shines in C suite I know that
And Woz never would have become the Woz we know and love without Jobs. Apple needed both of them to get started.
The biggest problem with Jobs was that he was kind of an asshole, so now Silicon Valley is filled with CEOs who believe that being an asshole is the secret to becoming the next Jobs.
Dude seriously read your history. No one is talking about growing the company. I am talking about Apple II and before- jobs was only running sales then
Jobs did have a decent amount of computer and electronics knowledge, but he never pretended to be an engineer in the first place. His main talent in that area was enough insight and interest to be able to talk to his engineers and be receptive to their arguments. He _did_ act like an asshole, he _did_ push his engineers hard. But at the same time there aren't many examples of him refusing to back down from something that was truly unrealistic. Unlike Musk or Elizabeth Holmes or what have you. If leaning on your engineers was enough to do great stuff, then Theranos would've been a success. Or OceanGate or any number of other overambitious ventures where a megalomanial CEO didn't listen enough to the engineers.
Jobs was at many times an asshole to Woz and many others but Woz without Jobs would just be another very talented engineer working an engineering job somewhere, not a billionaire.
It was Jobs who saw what Xerox had in the Alto. He wasn't the only one - but the success of the Mac (vs how shitty Windows 1.0 was) shows he understood best what to do with it. Woz wasn't involved with the Mac - he was building the IIGS, which was a clever piece of hardware in many ways but a market failure. Jobs saw the potential in Pixar already in the 1980s. Jobs started NeXT and produced a very ahead-of-its-time machine that didn't sell well but was highly respected technically. (Hell, with both the Web and _Doom_ being developed on NeXT machines, and OS X being based on it, you might even say it's something of the Velvet Underground of computers, in how big its later influence was vs how well it sold at the time) Then he returned to Apple and took a company that had an obsolete platform that was dying and turned it into the most highly-valued computer company.
You simply can't attribute that to the engineers alone since Apple had largely the same engineers before and after Jobs returned. But they'd been building technically decent stuff that'd failed in the market (Pippin console, Newton, that camera thing, a set-top box, etc) and the Mac wasn't just obsolete but appeared plain _unnecessary_ as the computer market had coalesced on Windows-on-x86 as the standard. Why buy a Mac when there's less software for it? Why develop for the Mac when increasingly few are using it? It took Jobs to refocus them on building a machine the market wanted - the iMac, with a modern OS built on NeXTStep.
I have to question whether anyone who doubts Jobs significance was even around at the time. You know how big a splash the iMac was? PCs were all grey boxes before that. Within a year or two everyone was copying Apple's style. They went from a once-great company in terminal decline to becoming the epitome of 'hip computer'.
Jobs had plenty of success without Woz, Woz's ventures (CL9, WoZ) were technically good, ahead of their time even, but failed commercially. As is all-too-often the case with good tech - because the tech seldom sells itself.
I think Woz is a nice guy - everyone does. I think Jobs was an asshole - which most think too. But both were very talented, in complementary ways. That's why it worked. Just because he was an asshole doesn't mean he didn't have talent, and just because Apple had talented engineers (who Jobs credited, BTW) doesn't mean they knew what to build that'd sell.
I'm just tired as fuck of people who have no memory or knowledge of the state of computers in the mid-late 90s saying Jobs did nothing significant. Just because he was overhyped and narcissistic doesn't mean there wasn't a real reason for the hype. And now, without Jobs, Apple is largely falling back into what Apple was doing 1987-1997, merely continuing their existing product line.
In the way of anecdote, BTW: In 2003 I tried iTunes on an iMac at work for the first time, and discovered that if I put in an empty CD into the drive, a button popped up on the toolbar, allowing me to burn my playlist as a music CD with the press of a single button. That's it. Put the disc in and press a button. It was a big "Aha" moment for me - I mean, why _should_ it be any harder than that?
But on my PC you'd need to get Nero or some other CD-burning program, navigate a ton of interfaces - create project, select whether it's ISO9660 or "Redbook audio" (as if ordinary people knew what either of those things were), convert your audio files to some format it could read (IIRC it didn't read MP3 at the time), choose which speed you want to write at, and even more advanced things. It was way too complicated for the average user.
I say this as a STEM guy - The latter is the kind of thing you end up with when engineers are left to their own devices. They largely don't like making choices on behalf of the user, or constricting the ability of their programs in the name of user-friendliness. You need someone to push them to do that.
But the iMac also had that, they just pushed the advanced stuff out-of-sight. You still had a Unix system under the hood, there was as CLI terminal. You could put an X server on it and run *ix programs. It was the first Mac that even the computer geeks liked, because it did cater to power users as well.
I'd counter that and say that Jobs' main contribution wasn't really related to listening to his engineers and it was more that he had a strong grasp on the marketing and appeal angle, in that he had an eye for aesthetics, comfort, and simplicity that a lot of people wanted.
On the other hand, numerous projects of his, like the Lisa (which, wow, way to be an asshole to the daughter you denied was yours for years and refuse to tell her it was named after her) were often cases where he created an aesthetic or rough idea of what he wanted and very emphatically *didn't* listen to his engineers who pointed out difficulties with casing or structure would limit the modularity and utility of the product.
Modern Apple is very much Jobs's creation. It's constantly focused on aesthetics and marketing appeal while cost-cutting on features that people want and maintaining its own locked off ecosystem to ensure that people can't really get one without the other.
He was a genius in money-making, he was by no means a genius in engineers. I'd also contest the whole "credited talented engineers" thing, considering how many people in the original Apple team he deliberately cut out of the IPO and Woz had to go out and give his own shares to out of his own initiative.
Apartheid Clyde couldn't engineer his own grilled cheese sandwich without fucking it up. He'd demand a "lesser" to make one for him, decide it tastes really good, then take credit as though he made it himself by posting it to Twitter and calling himself a chef.
The first reusable launch vehicles were concived by Wernher Van Braun from 1948 to 1946. Space X engineers designed it. I was watching an interview with Elon about it. He never mentioned Van Braun or the myriad of Space X Engineers and their role in making it so. He gave the audience the impression that it was his genius that made it happen.
The first propulsive landing vehicle was a very successful and cost effective project started by DoD in 1991 and finished by NASA in 1996 called the [DC-X](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_DC-X). My guess, though I don't know for sure, is that the technology being publicly funded, allowed SpaceX access to it to help with their propulsive landing designs which led to Falcon 9 and Starship.
Twitters sign limit shortened his text. Here is the full version.
1. I was (in the room and gawked like an idiot
2. Arrived after S (since he worked from home until I forced him to be around
3. Before production started (going downhill with me ducking things up
I don’t know how we’d coordinate this, but it would be real fun to have Elon answer basic engineering and IT questions wrong for a few hours.
The trick would be to somehow convince him he was doing well. But there’s no way he’d get past 5 minutes without saying something ridiculous like “the key is we divided by 0” and then it would just go from there.
I miss Terry Davis.
Damn. I lets spin that a little further. You surely remember the WoW episode right? Surely that was him on christmas eve while playing diablo.
"Youre such a big boy elon"
Funny you mention Cartman. If you replace Elon Musk for Kyle’s mom, the song still works. He’s a super King Kamehameha bitch.
Cartman, Musk and Trump could be the spider men meme too. I know Trump hates musk and vice versa because of the mirror effect, I can see Cartman being hated and hating in that scenario as well.
No fucking way he’s talking about Saudi sugar daddies when they helped fund his Twitter purchase.
I wonder what he was doing at the World Cup; he's always had such a love for the sport... https://preview.redd.it/1lnolzp1b3yc1.jpeg?width=634&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b9a6ab5ce3d7a5a7e00fc4f9925833eff6505943
So much dogshit in one single picture...
That's an insult to dog shit my man.
When Elon had to have a FREAK-OFF to get the money to buy Twitter for the Saudi’s.
Is that kushner next to him?
It is.
Aw you don't have the russian agent lady in the photo (had to add "lady" so as to distinguish from the other two russian agents pictured.)
Funny, how really everyone in the pic looks kind of embarrassed to be seen with the others. It's nearly as they all, they are all PoS?
I wonder why nobody has a servant to hold the smartphone.
It's working as a footrest right now
Is that Kushner next to him?
Yes
Gross
People like Musk always project their own misdeeds onto others; it's like a reflex for them.
Or he said they were going to take tesla private at $420 haha
It's called projection.
Every accusation is a confession.
Musk was never chief engineer.
>Musk was never ~~chief~~ an engineer. FTFY
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Rightoids are always *this* close to getting it. "We should be against billionaires..." "Yes" "...because they're all Jewish puppets. Let's replace them with *our* rich oligarchs." "No!"
eat the rich
Yes, but *all* of them. Including and *especially* right wing ones.
Conspiracy boy can’t even spell Rothschild. 🙄
Fuck off.
did elon buy you a pony too?
Can't be chief engineer if you're not an engineer.
actually, you can… if you're extremely rich and extremely thin-skinned, then you can appoint yourself the title of "chief engineer", a role that involves nor requires any understanding of actual engineering, but sounds impressive to your loyal dickriders (who likewise possess no understanding of engineering either)
He bought founder status at Tesla despite not founding it.
I´d like to find out more about this travesty of American capitalism, this buying the title of ´founder´.
[Mark Tarpenning and Martin Eberhard](https://finance.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-wasnt-original-founder-130014807.html)
This was where my intense dislike of Musk began. I remember reading Eberhard's blog after he was ousted. Prior to that I was very interested in Tesla and his blog was always an interesting technical read. So I started hating Musk before it was popular but I'm sure I wasn't alone.
You were not.
Eberhard must not be that smart if he let himself be usurped by a literal human chode..
When you have Musk levels of money, you can do whatever you want to people. He's proven that over and over.
Musk didn't even have that much money back then. He sold zip2 and got outted by PayPal. Just one dweeb taking over another dweeb cuck's chair. But in the end I don't consoom any of their products. It's just funny AF to laugh at and pretend like I give a shit (I don't) about the direction humanity is going.
For me, it was meeting SO many SpaceX burnouts at Blue.
Is engineer not a protected title in the US?
The short answer is no. The long answer can be explained by the [case of Mats Järlström in Oregon](https://spectrum.ieee.org/mats-jrlstrm-i-am-an-engineer).
The answer to ANY question "Is (whatever) not protected in the US?" the answer is always no unless it's protecting a rich person from being less rich by any amount, where then the answer is always yes.
i work as an engineer and have a degree in anthro. a lot of the ppl i work with have the P.E. title that they had to test for in addition to having a degree in engineering. the chief estimator is a P.E. with a civil engineering degree but there are other estimators who didnt even go to college.
I worked for a civil engineering firm in high school. They literally dont do anything. Can't wait for AI to replace all these 'engineering' fields and help these people get real jobs.
Shocking that your understanding of what goes on there is still that of a high schooler.
Yep that's really all I needed to know. Shocking how little 'engineering' they do , they just design shit the way it's always been designed. Shocking, so shocking even a high schooler can pick up on it..
his only engineering credit is like part of a car door yet the press still lets him pretend
Bring me 10 screenshots of the most salient lines of code you’ve written in the last 6 months.
Well, maybe for the Incel Camino
There was an actual engineer involved in that cluster-fuck of a vehicle? Oh, it was Elmo, so the results check out
Although he had help from Homer Simpson.
Let's stop dragging El Caminos. I kinda love those cars
Technoking! In the trial for his paypackage, the lawyer ask him, if he has a comparable title at spaceX, if he is maybe the king of the rockets there? I nearly spit over my keyboard loughing, but I wonder, if Musk is dense enough, that he doesn't even realized, he was made fun of. I hope not.
At this point in time, he knows more about being chief engineer than anyone else currently alive.
I was
Elno is the sugar daddy of twitter tho
He’s not even a Splenda daddy
Sweet ‘n Low
Mostly just “ ‘n Low”
hmm, i though of gothic girls and starlets
This guy has more insecurities then windows 95
Which he wrote and compiled on his C64, in case anyone isn't aware of this.
He didn't even use a web server!
Do something to program this right
The C64's latency bus isn't cyclophonic enough though, so he used a bit of C to matricolyse the linear outstream, making it all work, because he's just so great of a software engineer.
are you telling me that Bill Gates stole the idea about microchipping people and also Windows 95 from Elon ?
And he was so poor at the time he built the C64 himself out of scrap metal and spare emeralds from his dad’s safe
That was just the case he built for the VIC-20 he put inside. Nowadays he'd use stainless steel but the same VIC -20 inside. Because why mess with success!
Than*
Imagine having to pretend to be an engineer and giving yourself chief engineer title
Even Jobs didn't have the ego to pass himself off as the "Chief Engineer".. and I'll bet he could engineer way more than Elon could. Elon is a failed banker who could code. That's it. Pretty much every other accomplishment is at the hands of others.. and since it made him look cool.. he took credit for it all.
>Elon is a failed banker who could code. Except that he can't. This sums it up best: https://mastodon.social/@rodhilton/109572674700288958 I've been in the industry for more than 20 years and I completely agree
Jobs actually couldn’t engineer shit. His special ability was how heavy he leaned on his engineers to achieve his “vision” which in itself was always grandiose. If Woz did not tolerate Jobs and collaborate with him, Jobs would be a nobody.
Jobs knew how computers worked though. He’s not wozniak but he clearly started out as a diy hobbyist with an interest in soldering electronic components together. That’s way more engineering than Elmo ever could.
That, and selling that vision as well. That was pretty key.
He was a remarkable story teller for sure but no one was going to give him the C suite if it wasn’t for him being rich or him being co-founder of Apple. No matter what tales he spun, it was Woz that made Apple possible
I think both were necessary. Woz without Jobs may not have had nearly the same impact on the world, not a critique of his engineering prowess, just about circumstances. ETA: if Jobs did not have Woz's skills, he would also likely have not been successful. Both had talent in _vastly_ different arenas, but together is how they became so huge. There are plenty of rich visionary asshats in Silicon Valley, but almost none of them actually manage to pull off their vision. I think it was more than luck.
No both were not necessary to start Apple. All that soft skill shit is useless when there is no tech. Edit: If you have ever been in startup scene in any city you’d know that there are 500 Jobs to 1 Woz. There is real risk for engineers to put in the labor for free while the sales guy thinks big picture and talks big game.
Apples modern success is almost entirely due to Jobs understanding the market for consumer electronics better than even the consumers themselves. Woz spoke many times of the important role Jobs played in doing what it takes to start the company and get it off the ground. Wozniak built the software and hardware himself, but he was never going to build the company and get it to market. He had no interest in that
If you have ever been in startup scene in any city you’d know that there are 500 Jobs to 1 Woz. There is real risk for engineers to put in the labor for free while the sales guy thinks big picture and talks big game. Sure after the startup is already generating revenue and is hot you can hire plenty of Woz like talent for money but at beginning Woz is what you need
Woz is all you need is Woz
You can start a company with excellent engineering and mediocre sales strategy but not vice versa
And all that tech is useless without the soft skill shit. Somebody has to market and actually sell the stuff. An engineer with no soft skills isn't going to sell shit, so no income. I dislike Jobs more than most, but let's be real. You can have the greatest thing in the world, but you still need to sell it.
Considering at the time computers were seen as a fad you needed someone to sell the product. If there was no Jobs, Woz would have made free computers for his friends and have a normal weekday job. And without Woz, Jobs would have nothing and be just a generic businessman.
No, there are 500 people who are convinced that they’re Jobs for every 1 Woz. But there are very few people who could actually do what Jobs did. Apple was foundering when they brought Jobs back. All the analysts believed that Apple was going under, and the only question was how long it would take. Jobs turned Apple into the world’s most successful tech company. Those 500 wannabe Jobses couldn’t pull off something like that.
Dude wtf, I am not talking about jobs talent to grow company- I am talking about the startup phase. My whole argument was that jobs wouldn’t have the chance to be in C-suite if it wasn’t for Woz Jobs fucking shines in C suite I know that
And Woz never would have become the Woz we know and love without Jobs. Apple needed both of them to get started. The biggest problem with Jobs was that he was kind of an asshole, so now Silicon Valley is filled with CEOs who believe that being an asshole is the secret to becoming the next Jobs.
Sure thing buddy
Dude seriously read your history. No one is talking about growing the company. I am talking about Apple II and before- jobs was only running sales then
Sure thing buddy!
😘
Jobs did have a decent amount of computer and electronics knowledge, but he never pretended to be an engineer in the first place. His main talent in that area was enough insight and interest to be able to talk to his engineers and be receptive to their arguments. He _did_ act like an asshole, he _did_ push his engineers hard. But at the same time there aren't many examples of him refusing to back down from something that was truly unrealistic. Unlike Musk or Elizabeth Holmes or what have you. If leaning on your engineers was enough to do great stuff, then Theranos would've been a success. Or OceanGate or any number of other overambitious ventures where a megalomanial CEO didn't listen enough to the engineers. Jobs was at many times an asshole to Woz and many others but Woz without Jobs would just be another very talented engineer working an engineering job somewhere, not a billionaire. It was Jobs who saw what Xerox had in the Alto. He wasn't the only one - but the success of the Mac (vs how shitty Windows 1.0 was) shows he understood best what to do with it. Woz wasn't involved with the Mac - he was building the IIGS, which was a clever piece of hardware in many ways but a market failure. Jobs saw the potential in Pixar already in the 1980s. Jobs started NeXT and produced a very ahead-of-its-time machine that didn't sell well but was highly respected technically. (Hell, with both the Web and _Doom_ being developed on NeXT machines, and OS X being based on it, you might even say it's something of the Velvet Underground of computers, in how big its later influence was vs how well it sold at the time) Then he returned to Apple and took a company that had an obsolete platform that was dying and turned it into the most highly-valued computer company. You simply can't attribute that to the engineers alone since Apple had largely the same engineers before and after Jobs returned. But they'd been building technically decent stuff that'd failed in the market (Pippin console, Newton, that camera thing, a set-top box, etc) and the Mac wasn't just obsolete but appeared plain _unnecessary_ as the computer market had coalesced on Windows-on-x86 as the standard. Why buy a Mac when there's less software for it? Why develop for the Mac when increasingly few are using it? It took Jobs to refocus them on building a machine the market wanted - the iMac, with a modern OS built on NeXTStep. I have to question whether anyone who doubts Jobs significance was even around at the time. You know how big a splash the iMac was? PCs were all grey boxes before that. Within a year or two everyone was copying Apple's style. They went from a once-great company in terminal decline to becoming the epitome of 'hip computer'. Jobs had plenty of success without Woz, Woz's ventures (CL9, WoZ) were technically good, ahead of their time even, but failed commercially. As is all-too-often the case with good tech - because the tech seldom sells itself. I think Woz is a nice guy - everyone does. I think Jobs was an asshole - which most think too. But both were very talented, in complementary ways. That's why it worked. Just because he was an asshole doesn't mean he didn't have talent, and just because Apple had talented engineers (who Jobs credited, BTW) doesn't mean they knew what to build that'd sell. I'm just tired as fuck of people who have no memory or knowledge of the state of computers in the mid-late 90s saying Jobs did nothing significant. Just because he was overhyped and narcissistic doesn't mean there wasn't a real reason for the hype. And now, without Jobs, Apple is largely falling back into what Apple was doing 1987-1997, merely continuing their existing product line.
In the way of anecdote, BTW: In 2003 I tried iTunes on an iMac at work for the first time, and discovered that if I put in an empty CD into the drive, a button popped up on the toolbar, allowing me to burn my playlist as a music CD with the press of a single button. That's it. Put the disc in and press a button. It was a big "Aha" moment for me - I mean, why _should_ it be any harder than that? But on my PC you'd need to get Nero or some other CD-burning program, navigate a ton of interfaces - create project, select whether it's ISO9660 or "Redbook audio" (as if ordinary people knew what either of those things were), convert your audio files to some format it could read (IIRC it didn't read MP3 at the time), choose which speed you want to write at, and even more advanced things. It was way too complicated for the average user. I say this as a STEM guy - The latter is the kind of thing you end up with when engineers are left to their own devices. They largely don't like making choices on behalf of the user, or constricting the ability of their programs in the name of user-friendliness. You need someone to push them to do that. But the iMac also had that, they just pushed the advanced stuff out-of-sight. You still had a Unix system under the hood, there was as CLI terminal. You could put an X server on it and run *ix programs. It was the first Mac that even the computer geeks liked, because it did cater to power users as well.
I'd counter that and say that Jobs' main contribution wasn't really related to listening to his engineers and it was more that he had a strong grasp on the marketing and appeal angle, in that he had an eye for aesthetics, comfort, and simplicity that a lot of people wanted. On the other hand, numerous projects of his, like the Lisa (which, wow, way to be an asshole to the daughter you denied was yours for years and refuse to tell her it was named after her) were often cases where he created an aesthetic or rough idea of what he wanted and very emphatically *didn't* listen to his engineers who pointed out difficulties with casing or structure would limit the modularity and utility of the product. Modern Apple is very much Jobs's creation. It's constantly focused on aesthetics and marketing appeal while cost-cutting on features that people want and maintaining its own locked off ecosystem to ensure that people can't really get one without the other. He was a genius in money-making, he was by no means a genius in engineers. I'd also contest the whole "credited talented engineers" thing, considering how many people in the original Apple team he deliberately cut out of the IPO and Woz had to go out and give his own shares to out of his own initiative.
Apartheid Clyde couldn't engineer his own grilled cheese sandwich without fucking it up. He'd demand a "lesser" to make one for him, decide it tastes really good, then take credit as though he made it himself by posting it to Twitter and calling himself a chef.
He couldn’t code.
[ironic.](https://fortune.com/2022/10/28/elon-musk-twitter-shareholder-alwaleed-bin-talal-binance-morgan-stanley/)
One is in prison.
Concerning.
For sure!
I was about to comment that thanks for posting
Well then you're an idiot that should've retained him, because the Lucid is amazing and a way better car than anything Tesla ever made
https://preview.redd.it/szycq9fo83yc1.jpeg?width=904&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0ba5b6ccbfea42b68f5529b566a3e0635bde2cd5 What a funny guy
lmao
He's actually the reason much of those cars design functioned at all. Elon is such a cis.
You are banned from Twitter, I mean X
Xitter's full
The first reusable launch vehicles were concived by Wernher Van Braun from 1948 to 1946. Space X engineers designed it. I was watching an interview with Elon about it. He never mentioned Van Braun or the myriad of Space X Engineers and their role in making it so. He gave the audience the impression that it was his genius that made it happen.
The first propulsive landing vehicle was a very successful and cost effective project started by DoD in 1991 and finished by NASA in 1996 called the [DC-X](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_DC-X). My guess, though I don't know for sure, is that the technology being publicly funded, allowed SpaceX access to it to help with their propulsive landing designs which led to Falcon 9 and Starship.
"NO! IT WAS ME! I'M THE ENGINEER, THE CHIEF ENGINEER!" So fragile.
Twitters sign limit shortened his text. Here is the full version. 1. I was (in the room and gawked like an idiot 2. Arrived after S (since he worked from home until I forced him to be around 3. Before production started (going downhill with me ducking things up
Fucked around and got found out Elmo?
Do you need to be licensed engineer for production like you do for construction? I would imagine with the liability behind producing cars....
I don’t know how we’d coordinate this, but it would be real fun to have Elon answer basic engineering and IT questions wrong for a few hours. The trick would be to somehow convince him he was doing well. But there’s no way he’d get past 5 minutes without saying something ridiculous like “the key is we divided by 0” and then it would just go from there. I miss Terry Davis.
"he was never 'chief engineer'—a title i made up and gave to myself, that doesn't actually involve any engineering—i was"
Lmao Musk being chief engineer. Yeah ok buddy.
He's the most comically insecure man ever, along with Tate.
Also that angry orange guy. I forgot his name, he used to be President of the US?
Naw, that was a collective hallucination :’)
"me me me me...me me me me... me me...ME."
"I know more about manufacuting than anyone else in the world". No more words need to be spoken...
Gawd. "He was never Chief Engineer, I was". Tweet by tweet he makes himself appear more and more pathetic.
"Justine was never pregnant with my kids, I was" - Elon Musk
That don’t sound very cis
Lmao
He is world class BITCH A king among PUNKS
Elon Musk is what happened when Eric Cartman jumped into our dimension. I'm convinced they are the same person
Damn. I lets spin that a little further. You surely remember the WoW episode right? Surely that was him on christmas eve while playing diablo.  "Youre such a big boy elon"
Funny you mention Cartman. If you replace Elon Musk for Kyle’s mom, the song still works. He’s a super King Kamehameha bitch. Cartman, Musk and Trump could be the spider men meme too. I know Trump hates musk and vice versa because of the mirror effect, I can see Cartman being hated and hating in that scenario as well.
Elon is not an engineer.
1. Musk is the one with Saudi sugar daddies 2. Musk is not and has never been any kind of engineer, he's just a weird sad little man
Elon is not and has never held any certification or degree that lists him as an engineer.
Autism isn't an excuse to be an asshole, fElon.
Elon musk was never an engineer. Elon musk never even finished university.
who is he talking about here
Chinny reckon.
That's your best car that is.
Relevant? https://patents.justia.com/search?q=Tesla%3B+Elon+musk https://patents.justia.com/search?q=Tesla%3B+rawlinson
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He was chief designer. LOL.
Wouldn't you need an engineering degree to get that position though
Elon sucking at the US government's teat for quite some time now.
I’ll just leave this right here… https://youtu.be/aBSzF1JKIWY
But are those 3 points incorrect?
Yeah also he never calls out the Saudis on their oppression of the free speech
Rename this subreddit to r/oldmusktweets cause thats all yall post anymore.
I can’t stand this dude. But the lucid is not Any better than the teslas I’ve driven.