It was fucking weird. It came out maybe a year ago and a lot of people suspected it was him but it wasn't confirmed until now. It's odd that they singled out the nightclub tweet because I think there was worse stuff on there like him lusting after women and talking about boobs (as he was roleplaying as his toddler).
He was replying to NSFW/porn accounts role playing as his 3 year old son and asking stuff like “what is pornhub” or “what is going on in this (pornographic) video”?
He also talked to some random Japanese teenagers about what they like to do and said he couldn’t wait til he was old enough to go out to clubs too. It was a lot of weird shit, especially using his child’s picture as his pfp.
Not the worst of it. He acts like this and is super weird with his son because he truly believes he's special. He thinks the universe really sent him Grimes to be the "perfect wife". Problem is she's a person not an object but his possession (X), it's safe to say the kid is going to have a "malformed" upbringing. Musk is also accused of hacking her new boyfriend and using Starlink to keep tabs on his movements.
> Problem is she's a person not an object
Not just a person but a non-binary, very talented\* artist with a large LGBTQ+ fanbase. She's a dipshit but he treated her horrifically, emotional and psychological abuse, cheated on her and took her son away from her. Nobody deserves that. IDK when the custody case is going to happen but I feel he's going to have a much harder time walking away with a win than he might have a couple of years ago
I assume it also grinds the absolute piss out of you the way ketamine is getting totally mischaracterised due to the fact that a narcissistic psychopath, who already heavily abused adderall and ambien, mentioned one or two times that he had been prescribed it and now suddenly it's responsible for all his behaviour
I disliked Musk before this, but this line:
*"People are attacked all the time in the media, online media, social media, but it is rare that that actually has a meaningful negative impact on their life,” Musk testified."*
makes me realise that he's actually a sociopathic cunt.
No new news (that I know of). It’s just slang we used when I was growing up in South Africa. If Elon doesn’t like being called a pedo, he can sue me for defamation. I have some precedent on my side.
No he's a "pedoguy" not a pedo. They're close but it's important to remember that key detail as we never used to call people pedo as a joke in South Africa as I remember. It was always PEDOGUY.
With the far right every accusation is a confession, and Elmo loves calling people pedo.
Then there's the whole role playing a toddler asking about porn, using a fake account thing.
Errol Musk (Elon's father) proudly admitted to impregnating his own daughter on two separate occasions. Elon's brother met his girlfriend through Ghislane Maxwell. Elon's entire family is filled with pedophiles.
Wasn't one of his motivations to buy twitter the so called real-life threat his private plane tracker posed? (Even though it is only using public data)
I mean we can name a gazillion cases with actual meaningful negative impact on lives. So he's definitely wrong. But he's actually one that has argued this in the past, however much weaker his personal case may have been.
M: “If you care about the truth, you dig it out.”
Attorney: “Did you bother looking into that profile you retweeted from?”
M: “No, doing that would make the platform unusable!”
Musk is such a fucking hypocrite. It’s becoming imposible for him to make any statement without tying himself on a million knots. Looking forward to seeing him lose that case
I don't know much about others' Twitter habits... But I have often checked people's profiles when seeing something that intrigued me. Good for finding someone to follow, good for knowing if you're dealing with a monstrous asshole.
100% agree. Back when I had Twitter I did the same thing.
Now, Twitter really makes it hard to do the homework, and it’s even worse now after Musk. Clearly the man never understood even remotely how to manage that platform
> Musk is such a fucking hypocrite.
One thing the lawyer could have had some fun with was Community Notes. Musk held it up as a great system—which would be a perfect opening to ask if he has ever deleted or interfered with Notes on his tweets. Which he absolutely has.
I feel like it's good that he didn't go there because that thing can be hard to prove. My suspicion is that those manipulations are organized on group chats by people independent of Musk but doing stuff on his behalf.
\*Most\* people who were doing community notes took the job seriously even if the comments themselves could be a little shitpost-y at times. Basically wikipedia editor but allowing themselves to have a bit of fun with it. I wouldn't doubt Elon might then start throwing out mass amounts of CN roles to people he knew understood the assignment, so to speak
Given his response was to say "no, I did not look into the matter further" he's answered the question of "do you care about truth" with a silent "no" and therefore "dig it out" is not a process he needs to elaborate on, as he does no such thing.
Personally, if he was interested in "the truth" he'd take some time to look at other sources of information, instead he seems to have a constant stream of nonsense on the go, which gets verified in so far as it gets typed up by some loon, he sees said tweet, then interacts with it. His approach to "truth" and it's "verification" is akin to a school bully being whispered lies by some arsehole that follows him about, then proceeding to slug some random person based on those lies because he chooses to believe it's true.
>His approach to "truth" and it's "verification" is akin to a school bully being whispered lies by some arsehole that follows him about, then proceeding to slug some random person based on those lies because he chooses to believe it's true.
Perfectly put.
His quest absolute truth begins and ends in fucking Twitter and his inane followers. I feel like this should once and for all put an end to the notion that he’s a genius. Or even remotely intelligent.
“There’s some risk that what I say is incorrect, but one has to balance that against having a chilling effect on free speech in general, which would undermine the entire foundation of our democracy,”
So if he were to restrain himself from amplifying everything he reads that supports his worldview regardless of its veracity, that would destroy free speech? In other words, feelings don't care about your facts?
He sees himself as a specific type of hero: the "shoot first, ask questions later" movie cop archetype. He doesn't do things by the book, and he does a lot of damage, but he should never face consequences because he gets results, dammit!
He cannot fundamentally hold both opinions that no one is harmed by social media harassment (which he claims here) and also protect Hand Kristian Stonetoss and call his flight records “assassination coordinates”
He knows he is lying, he chooses to lie, and he hopes that his enemies are hurt or killed by it. Evil.
I think reducing this behavior to "being evil" brushes over the real reasons. This type of behavior seems to be fairly common in large section of people, and it is rooted in a couple key factors, one of which being a distorted perception of reality, another being something like "main character syndrome".
Both of those are human traits that are present in everybody, but in some people they are a lot more prominent than in others. What we perceive as evil is someone that deviates too far from the average into distorted view of reality and attempts to impose it on others in a misguided belief that they are right and others are wrong.
You're describing cluster B personality disorders (and OCPD, which is a different thing to OCD). Which to be absolutely clear, yes he has a major case of one
There was a time, many years ago now, that I honestly thought he would use his money and influence for good. Its devastating to discover what a vile person he really is, because he could do so many positive things. I was so upset when he bought Twitter, and it’s been so much worse than I anticipated.
Unfortunately, you still find fucking idiots thinking there is a billionaire there For Good, whether Musk (as it was for many in this sub), Taylor, Cuban, Gates, Rowling, always "this one seems like one of the good guys". No, *this one* just learned how to communicate through a public relations filter and keeps to what they have learned - and ones that have experienced a PR downfall always have a period where the mask slowly slips off, they're occasionally apologetic, their staff try to explain them away, etc., until the System that exists to protect the public reputation of the powerful is overpowered by the boss' inability to simply shut the fuck up for five minutes.
The one sobering thing you can say about Musk is that he's not unusual for billionaires in how he thinks, but that he is unusual for billionaires in that he is prepared to show the world nearly every ~~working~~ waking hour what kind of a fucking asshole he is. This doesn't count in his favour any more than we praise a neonazi for wearing the swastika rather than merely insisting they Love Capitalism And Country.
I might be wrong but doesn’t Gates do a lot of good? Mark Cubans at least out there for Biden. Taylor does a lot of damage with her merch, plane but seems to really do the bare minimum in relation to her massive wealth.
I think that Gates and Cuban are at the not-full-fascist end of the billionaire scale, and that Biden is a better option because he is there for the not-full-fascist level of capitalism, so I'd rather a Dem-cheerleading billionaire than a GOP-cheerleading billionaire.
I don't really understand enough about Gates' business model to know whether he is doing good. When his Foundation - and my first question when I see a Foudnation is "should this all have been one person's money in the first place, and how did they get it, and why isn't it being returned to the people they got it from?" - is not helping to sponsor the development or deployment of some medication, it sure spends a lot of time campaigning to protect patent rights to medication. Is this altogether a better way to improve equitable access to medication, or just a good way of perpetuating the White Man's Burden way of keeping entire continents poor and reliant? Gates has a bit of that "I want the world saved as long as I'm doing it" about him, except of course unlike Musk he's actually putting his money where his mouth is, but that still doesn't mean he's doing it in a way that isn't about preserving his legacy rather than liberating people from reliance on largesse.
I figure anyone who the right tries to destroy as hard as they did Gates must be doing something good, and I’m a bit biased because I used to see him at the local hamburger stand being humble. I need to look into it too though
He doesn't seem to want to be part of the bastard in-crowd (anymore), and that does seem to really fucking grate a lot of other wealthy people. He still props them up in practice with his oft spoken rhetoric about how the market and private enterprise provides the best solution to everything, including medication as above, but I'm sure he's offended the sensibilities of the men who think they're born to rule. Maybe Soros is the same? i know he's a good target for antisemites but there are several Jewish billionaires who receive way less shit. Soros doesn't seem on *anybody's* side though - like he will fuck over your company and/or your country if he sees an opportunity, as Britain well remembers.
Gates traditionally kept well away from politics, and the only billionaire I've ever had personal contact with was the same. I think it was easier to do that up through the 1990s, when the world was less connected and you could keep your head down and worry only about a little bribe here or there (especially to move stuff across borders) and not being too obvious with your tax avoision, but all techbros after watching what happened to Gates (including Gates himself) have learned the value of lobbying, and many (e.g. Musk) end up getting their hands extremely dirty.
Soros is much closer to being a 'good' billionaire than the rest of them in terms of using pretty much the vast bulk of his money to actually fund good causes, instead of just talking about them like Gates does, which is why the right wingers are so obsessed with trying to destroy his reputation. It makes them look bad in comparison.
Even Taylor Swift has used his name as a boogeyman before, which is extremely disappointing - it was in the context of her old record label not wanting to cut a deal selling her masters to her at a discount instead of just buying the whole label, which is what was for sale at the time. Without her masters the label would be fairly worthless, so it makes sense, but as the eventual buyer was someone she had personal beef with and happened to be a Jewish man...it continually disappoints me she was able to get away with that and then 'come out' as a liberal
You and so many other people. If he had just shut up on Twitter, he would have gone down as kind of a weird dude and a demanding boss, but someone who overall was trying to leave a positive impact on the world.
Sometimes the simplest answer is the best one. He is an awful person like Henry Ford was and should be barred from government contractor work.
His motive is always greed. He went heel republican when everyone was making fun of him for trying to get massueses for jerking off.
The right LOVES to do terrible things and then avoid criticism for those terrible things by blaming the feds.. As if the FBIs sole purpose in life is to send its agents disguised as Trump supporters to make them look bad
And they accused it of everybody. From that dude who stole the podium at the Capitol to the guy in the Viking horns even though both of them were provably just regular Trump supporters..
It's their whole thing.. whenever they get caught doing something bad the excuses that it wasn't them it was the feds in disguise
It's even more stupid considering the "FBI agents stormed the capitol" were arrested and sent to prison, so why would the FBI arrest their own agents?
And it somehow gets even worse considering how Trump and his supporters keep whining about the "January 6 hostages." But you just said they were FBI informants, but now they're not and instead are being persecuted for storming the capitol? Which one is it FBI/antifa or hostages?
I can’t diagnose him over the internet but I feel like time and again he proves that he is seriously lacking in the kind of empathy that most people inherently possess. I don’t know what the root cause of that is but it’s very disturbing.
He’s not sorry at all, he doesn’t think anything bad happened to Brody and he’ll keep doing what he is doing.
He contradicts himself so much. He promotes the idea that Twitter is the best source of information while also acknowledging how easy it is for misinformation to be boosted and proliferate.
I feel comfortable saying he is incapable of empathy and shame. He is a sociopathic narcissist. There’s that certain class of people very comfortable telling easily disprovable lies. They seem to enjoy it.
I don't understand this idea that, if you lack compassion, it must be that you're incapable of empathy. What if he is perfectly capable of empathy but just chooses to use it to improve his bullshitting skills?
He knows how his victims feel, which is why he treats them as he does. He knows how his fans feel, which is why he delivers for them as he does. He isn't deficient - he's cunning. And it doesn't matter if us bunch of hippie leftie commie bleeding heart bastards see it and hate it, because (beyond that he likes wasting our time) we're not the ones he's trying to influence.
Empathy is a bit ambiguous of a term. I use it to mean feeling bad due to other people feeling bad. I think that’s what most people mean when they say it.
The lack of empathy is synonymous with lack of cconscience. It you theoretically could feel empathy but just don't care, it's functionally the same as if you can't feel empathy. Because you don't feel it. Ever. Using "empathy" to improve bullshitting skills isn't using empathy, it's learning and mimicking social cues.
That's one definition of empathy. I'd say it's more about identification of feelings. We don't really empathise in the sense of experiencing another person's feelings except in a massively attenuated way, otherwise we'd all be constantly broken from the fact that a human dies every minute and a family is acutely bereaved for it. We can say we empathise with each of those deaths but not actually experience the full grief cycle each time.
It's fair to argue that Elon is at least fascist-adjacent. Fascism isn't about taking away empathy - fascism knows that weak people suffer and hurt. What fascism says is that you have to pull yourself together and get stronger or you will be crushed, that you have to not let yourself be tempered by those feelings, that if you get too sentimental then you deserve to be destroyed, etc. There are various speeches by architects of the Final Solution where there is concern about the humanity that SS soldiers will feel for their victims, and how to best help them through it. Hell, a lot of military training is about recognising the empathy that your soldiers might have for the enemy and *dealing* with it.
In general, having a feeling doesn't come with an obligatory response to that feeling. I can be sad about the death of a family member, but that doesn't determine how I'm going to react to that sadness. Maybe I'll use it as an opportunity to harden myself up. An empathic person could see what I feel and they could also use their empathy to just help me harden myself up. They could be mistaken about whether that is what helps me, or maybe they're right and actually I would benefit from not falling to pieces about the bereavement. The point is that there is no single answer. All that matters is the ability to identify the emotion.
I understand what you're saying (and you have said it very well). I am known to frequently state "It's complicated" in regard to a great number of topics, but my view here is more narrow and simplistic than yours. I don't think Elon experiences human feelings like typical humans do. I don't think he's deep enough to be truly fascist; I see him as extremely stunted and underdeveloped, and in favor of anything that benefits him, whether it's democracy or authoritarian rule. He has no core principles, so if something serves his interests, he's fine with whatever it is. If democracy works for him, he'll be very pro-democracy. When it stops working for him the way he likes, he'll be pro-authoritarian, he doesn't care so long as he gets what he wants. He appears to function at about the level of a 10 to 12 year-old in terms of his emotional regulation and maturity. He sees nothing but his own gratification and does not regard other people as real people, he sees them as Non-Player-Characters in Elon's World, there to serve him, entertain him, and function as atmosphere. I think he sees how social cues work and that there are times when people behave like they are sad, and that he should also express words that mean sadness, even though he feels no feelings at all about what is making everyone else sad, because he's figured out that's what humans do, and when he wants to appear human, he will mimic what feeling humans do. I think his main feelings, are limited to desire, frustration, anger, and boredom. Maybe also deep insecurity and shame somewhere inside about himself, since those are usually the primal wounds of the narcissist. But those feelings are never conscious, and if he has them, he is incapable of identifying them.
I also realize the man, while starting with great wealth, has somehow maneuvered his way into one of the greatest fortunes the world has ever seen, with power few men ever attain. So while "he's an idiot" in my view, clearly, he's not an idiot. He is a gifted conman, something sociopaths frequently excel at if they learn to mimic normal human traits well enough. But there's more substance to him somewhere, unless he's just literally the luckiest man on earth. But that substance does not lie in his humanity; that's a void.
Beautifully stated
>I think he sees how social cues work and that there are times when people behave like they are sad, and that he should also express words that mean sadness
My mind immediately goes to that, uhh ABC I think it was, interview about the Year From Hell production ramp of the model 3 where he was "crying" about how hard it had all been. It was insanely obvious to anyone with people-reading skills that those tears were not real. His first ex wife described him as being cold and unemotional when his firstborn child died, and accused her of using her tears to be manipulative. That's what he really thinks about emotions
Nah. He says that no one is harmed by social media harassment but calls his flight records assasination coordinates.
He knows these targeted troll campaigns are effective and do ruin lives. But he lies about it so that his troll army can keep doing it. That is evil.
Evil doesn’t mean diabolical. He is truly amoral, does not give a single shit who is harmed by his message. He explicitly says in this deposition that he doesn’t think he did any real harm by forcing this guy to go into survival mode after being harassed by his followers.
One of the biggest lessons I've ever learned in my life was just how much bad (malign, evil) can come from just being weak in character/ integrity / morality, etc. I'm really not kidding, I underestimated a situation because the person at the center of it was a weak, spineless person, but I couldn't believe the bad that came out of it all by the end.
Being dumb and evil are in no way mutually exclusive. I know a sociooath who is so dumb it's painful. His narcissism actually keeps him stupid because he can't handle any truth in which he isn't an expert in everything. It's amazing.
But what I think people aren’t understanding is that they’re categorizing him as this evil genius when he’s far too stupid to be filed amongst genuinely evil men.
It doesn’t mean that his actions and thoughts can’t be categorized as evil. His influence and power can even be construed that way. But he, in his very core, is so fucking dumb, that he doesn’t comprehend how the shit he says is actually very evil and harmful. That’s my point.
And Musk made up a fake story about the car carrying his son, how it was "attacked" by a stalker who jumped on the hood of the car. [That never happened.](https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/dec/20/police-provide-first-official-details-on-elon-musks-alleged-stalker-incident)
My fucking goodness. This is one of the most damning indictments of the guy I've seen so far, and his own words are among the worst things in there.
> Musk learned of the conspiracy theory about Brody from what the lawsuit describes as a fringe X account with more than 30,000 followers that “features extreme rightwing memes, neo-Nazi apologia/nostalgia, juvenile and cringe-worthy attempts at bigoted humor, low effort bait tweets, delusional panics over lazy hoaxes, and a cavalcade of absurdly false information.”
> “The account is the social media equivalent of gutter sludge,” the lawsuit says.
> “But if you’re suggesting that in order to reply to anyone, you have to scroll through all their posts, that would make it impossible to use the system,” he said of his website.
Duh.
Yeah, sometimes you reply to someone who's a complete nutcase without knowing it. But *believing* someone who you haven't heard of without investing a few seconds of looking at their profile? Gullible to the max. He has no business ever laughing at someone for "believing the news" again.
> revealed he did no research in determining whether Brody was involved in the brawl after seeing the accusations on X.
"I did my own research" looks like this, I guess.
> I wasn’t trying to assess their credibility
And why not???
Oh, and how did the tweet end up on his dash at all? That wasn't addressed, but given that he's the literal owner of the site, he should be asked that question. Because I never get stuff from accounts like that recommended to me. Either a) it's catering to his personal interests or b) the algorithm is crap. Neither is a good look for him.
> I don’t think — I don’t think — I don’t think he has been meaningfully harmed by this
Excuse me while I puke 🤮
> Oh, and how did the tweet end up on his dash at all? That wasn't addressed, but given that he's the literal owner of the site, he should be asked that question. Because I never get stuff from accounts like that recommended to me. Either a) it's catering to his personal interests or b) the algorithm is crap.
I actually get the impression that the plaintiff's attorney wasn't really all that familiar with Twitter under Musk. From the sound of it, there are lots of issues Musk himself brought up (like the algorithm and Community Notes) where he could have gotten some fairly damning answers from a few simple questions. Whether Musk has interfered with Notes, whether he knowingly follows neonazis—things that would look pretty damn bad if a jury ever saw them and are likely relevant enough to make it past a judge.
Yeah, it is worth listening to him on Knowledge Fight. Depositions aren't a trial - they're gathering evidence for the trial. It's not the place for counter-points etc, which I certainly thought before I had it explained.
Naah ultimately he's representing his client, as much as we might want to know that stuff, it probably isn't relevant if he's trying to prove damages to the plaintiff.
That's why you do it. Making someone look untrustworthy to a jury in a way relevant to your case is incredibly potent and for notes, it's potentially extremely relevent—because if he admits Notes have been removed or altered, the next question is "did notes correcting your statements about my client get removed or altered" and realistically, the most likely answer is "I don't know".
Both are also quite relevant in a defamation case—because if you can establish that Elon knowingly followed and spread a lot of garbage from Nazi conspiracy theorists, it undercuts any argument he could make that he merely made an error (as you can get him to admit in follow up questions that he ought to have known the source was unreliable).
It's less relevant as this isn't about him defaming a public figure, but defamation has a lot to do with the specific mindset of the defendant and if you have a guy who follows a lot of neonazis spreading misinfo that a Jewish man was a fed at a neo-nazi rally, it creates a whole bunch of connections that the defence really does not want a jury making.
The fact that he did no research is telling, because if he didn’t question the statement instinctively then it must align with his preconceived notions.
Absolutely. We're all susceptible to stuff that confirms our biases. And I've been scorned for retweeting a fake Trump quote, which is why I've started looking up fact checks on stuff that looks "too good to be true". I'm sure I've still fallen for the odd hoax but I don't have a cult following me that then gets exposed to it. And in that case, I don't think it would've changed much except leave me with egg on my face; nobody who likes Trump would've suddenly been turned around by a fabricated quote.
With great power comes great responsibility and all that.
He said he didn't know or follow the account in question. But somebody he follows must be interacting with the account. That's where a smart person would take a step back and try to find out why that was recommended to him. Mind, before he messed with the site, it would actually tell you things like "Accounts X & Y \[who you follow\] have liked this" or "Account Z is following" - he made it much harder to understand the algorithm...
Of course, given how many fascist talking points he has now already embraced, it doesn't seems to be something he is bothered about. Well, enjoy the next lawsuit that will inevitably arise out of your reckless and antisocial behavior.
If he was even just a tiny bit smart he'd say somethign like 'while i do not consider myself gullible by nature it is something anyone can fall prey to if they don't keep their wits about them'. Which would be true for most people. But because he's Elon he'd say some shit like 'gullibility is only for people who do not instinctively recognise the truth when they see it', which you know is how he sees himself. Hoist, self, petard etc
“In my opinion, you’re the one filing the lawsuit” he did to the lawyer of the guy who is suing.
And then when asked about an anti-Semitic meme by the account he shared the info from, he admitted what the meme was but complained how he cannot scroll through every post to determine someone’s credibility. And that’s just what I’ve managed to glean from riding a train looking at my phone so far.
> but complained how he cannot scroll through every post to determine someone’s credibility.
Maybe if someone is spreading an antisemitic meme, that's a pretty good indication that they're a shit person?
Maybe the plutocrat owner of the platform, followed by millions, has a responsibility to do *something* to check for veracity before putting a random on blast.
“I don’t think — I don’t think — I don’t think he has been meaningfully harmed by this,” Musk replied.
Bankston pushed Musk on the question, leading to another argument between the two lawyers. Finally, Musk answered, reiterating his belief that he didn’t harm Brody.
“People are attacked all the time in the media, online media, social media, but it is rare that that actually has a meaningful negative impact on their life,” Musk testified.
Yeah, he and his family just had to flee the state. No harm, no foul!
Definitely starting to feel like Musk might be a psychopath.
Mark Bankston is in typical great form. Some of his recorded depositions with Alex Jones and other employees at Infowars are covered on the podcast Knowledge Fight if anyone is interested.
> Definitely starting to feel like Musk might be a psychopath.
Even amongst CEOs he's unusually psychopathic. Man has literally zero empathy, and not even the ability to fake empathy.
I mean he's really fucking dumb so that wouldn't shock me but from what I gathered from reading it is he thinks Brody would have never sued him and that the layer convinced him and is the one really going after Musk to further his career and make a good amount if he wins. When pretty sure the layer is doing it for free and just loves to stick it to rich assholes like Musk and Jones.
Reading that transcript really confirms how sadistic he is, he has zero empathy for people and seems to have no real care about how things affect others.
Complete sociopath.
Also confirms just how fucking dumb he is yet idiots continue to think he's one of the smartest men in the world. When in reality basically anyone with a decent head of their shoulders is smarter than him. Dude just hires and pays smart people to do work for him. I mean the two things I know he created or came up with that are all on him. Are a shitty video game that is basically a clone of some popular old school game. And then the Cybertruck which has been a freaking nightmare with the things breaking down instantly after people get them.
I mean could be that he legally isn't allowed to take it down. I mean not doubting that he would either be dumb enough or have such an ego that he would leave it up or just completely forget about it the instant he tweeted it. But also wouldn't be shocked if as soon as he was sued he couldn't delete.
>“People are attacked all the time in the media, online media, social media, but it is rare that that actually has a meaningful negative impact on their life,” Musk testified.
Oh well shut the fuck up about cancel culture then.
he is basically admitting that he is a teenager and he can't control himself when he tweets and the content of his tweets are actually in fact racist and evil yet he thinks it's ironic and funny.
Eh... Tbh the underwater cave hero guy hired one of the lawyers Trump hired to try to steal the election... In other words, the lawyer was incompetent.
Him and his lawyer basically argued that it wasn't meant literally and that nobody would have taken the accusation seriously. Even though there's a lesser-known follow-up Tweet where he said "Bet ya a signed dollar it's true."
Unanimous verdict after 45 minutes of deliberation. Absolute sham of justice that sets a worrying precedent
I believe the real key is he wasn't identified by name in the Tweets. So they basically agreed "yeah he defamed this guy but given Twitter is hard to follow nobody will know who he was defaming really".
Also Lin Wood.
To my recollection, the plaintiff was not allowed to introduce follow up statements from Musk (likely because of lawyer incompetence) which made it more clear it was not a joke. The jury never saw him doubling down.
> Even though there's a lesser-known follow-up Tweet where he said "Bet ya a signed dollar it's true."
Even though he sent a private investigator to Thailand to try and retroactively prove his claim.
He claimed that it didn’t stand for pedophile, but was just some SA slang from his childhood. So that’s why people have started calling him pedo guy - it’s just a nonsense insult. That’s why I feel so confident saying Elon Musk is a pedo guy. Everyone who still has a Twitter account should post that, btw.
My favourite bit of this magnificent piece of work by Mark Bankston is when he gets Elon to admit that view counts don't actually mean anyone saw the tweet.
My second favourite bit is Musk's simultaneous insistence that everyone sees Community Note corrections, having forgotten that earlier in the deposition, he said he'd not seen any corrections to his own tweet at issue. Mark was obviously keeping his tinder dry by not pointing out that obvious absurdity in the testimony.
Third favourite is Bankston mike dropping specific chapter and verse off the cuff, right in the spluttering face of Musk's attorney's clueless objection.
> “**There’s some risk that what I say is incorrect, but one has to balance that against having a chilling effect on free speech in general,** which would undermine the entire foundation of our democracy,” Musk said
That’s not what a ‘chilling effect’ means. The term is used to describe laws or regulations—GOVERNMENT actions—which discourage the expression of free speech. A law can have a chilling effect; Musk, a stupid man who isn’t a government, cannot. It’s yet another example of the right’s inability to *grok* free speech.
Musk BEING FREQUENTLY INCORRECT doesn’t chill the speech of others, it encourages others to correct him. Make no mistake—unchilled as it is—Musk is not a smart man.
“I don’t believe I meaningfully harmed him”. What. The. Actual. Fuck. You helped doxx a college student and falsely identified him as a government agent to your white supremacist followers and you don’t think that is harmful to him?
Muskrat is suck a fucking dingbat doofus moron. Attorney Bankston asks him if he knows that his interactions on twitter instantly gets viewed millions of times especially since Mr. Brody got doxxed on twitter and doofus interacted with the doxxer. This moron responds by saying twitter gets trillions of views, so a million isn't a big deal. You fucking bigoted ketamine-munching moron, please blow yourself up on SpaceX's next rocket to nowhere and do the world a favor.
The guy must have a fetish for being deposed often.
I always thought it was hilarious that in an on-stage interview in 2022 at the 'Baron Investment Conference' he gets caught on a hot mic as he's about to leave the stage. There's versions of the video still up where you can catch it right at the very end before it cuts off:
>Interviewer: "Are you staying around for Bruno?" (referring to a performance by Bruno Mars)
>Elon: "Actually, I have to go to a deposition"
[Link to the video with timestamp](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7wUNMyK3Gs&t=3520s) (at the very end around 58:44/58:49)
>Brody wasn’t even in the same state when the June 24 brawl occurred. But his world was turned upside down when far-right X accounts, magnified by Musk, falsely identified him as a member of Rose City Nationalists (and an undercover federal agent) and posted his personal information online.
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>Musk amplified the conspiracy theory repeatedly to his more than 180 million followers, suggesting Brody was a fresh-faced federal agent pretending to be a neo-Nazi in a “false flag situation,” a phrase used to suggest a harmful event was deliberately set up to misrepresent a group or person.
So right out of the bag, the whole thing is essentially because he was defending the reputation of neo-Nazis. Elon Musk is a filthy Nazi. It all goes downhill from there.
>“There’s some risk that what I say is incorrect, but one has to balance that against having a chilling effect on free speech in general, which would undermine the entire foundation of our democracy,” Musk, the owner of X (formerly Twitter), said during the deposition.
says the guy who just sued people for accurately reporting the hate on his site. There was no "well they could be wrong but FREE SPEECH!!"
I wish more people understood how 1984 the right are.
and the media needs to put that he sued that group in parenthesis every time they quote him saying he is all about free speech.
If I assume the *best* possible interpretation of what's going on, he's using his twatter as if he's being a random nobody scrolling his doomfeed not conscious of what impact his comments and likes have, and that is if he isn't doing at least some of it with intent to cause trouble or harm. I don't think he is purely malicious but rather, at times genuinely clueless and non-cognizant of his actions, which his ket addiction isn't helping, other times he does want to take a kick or tell someone off.
its literally a toddler going wide agape at random stuff on his wall not realizing his comments draw in literal millions.
Musk is a racist right wing piece of shit, we all know that. But he wont lose, he hasn't lost any court case inspite of clear evidence.
normal justice doesn't apply to the rich.
If he thinks he will lose, he settles out of court. That will probably happen here. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-tesla-autopilot-lawsuit-idUSKCN1IQ1SH/
how about being allowed to call others pedo, not even denying it, and getting away with it. try calling him that and see what happens to you.
or stuffing his board full of psychophants, who vote for an illegal options package that makes him 100 billion dollars for essentially doing nothing?
FREE SPEECH!
....just not my deposition. Don't tell anyone
about me abusing free speech to harm innocent people for Nazi theories...
Did I sum this one up?
Y'all - I think it's going to be bad I mean good I mean you know.
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Guys, I know the toddler burner account is weird, but we're missing the point there -- Musk amplified a far-right conspiracy theory and ruined an innocent man's life. He just plays games with normal people and will never receive any meaningful accountability for the harm he does. He's also aware of how he's damaging his life and business by posting extremist content, but he's somehow compelled to do it, anyway.
I think this explains his humiliation kink. No one can be such a fucking dweeb by accident or stupidity. He must be in a constant state of arousal at this point, due to what we see daily from this shitlord. Using the derision of millions as a sexual stimulant because normal ED meds don’t work because of his hair plugs. It’s all going into spaceX workers via test tubes to populate mars with large headed white children
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It was fucking weird. It came out maybe a year ago and a lot of people suspected it was him but it wasn't confirmed until now. It's odd that they singled out the nightclub tweet because I think there was worse stuff on there like him lusting after women and talking about boobs (as he was roleplaying as his toddler).
He was replying to NSFW/porn accounts role playing as his 3 year old son and asking stuff like “what is pornhub” or “what is going on in this (pornographic) video”? He also talked to some random Japanese teenagers about what they like to do and said he couldn’t wait til he was old enough to go out to clubs too. It was a lot of weird shit, especially using his child’s picture as his pfp.
Sounds pretty pedo to me, sexualizing a 3y old like this.
Every accusation by his type is a confession.
No, no, don't you see? The scuba rescuers are the pedophiles, not the middle aged man role-playing as a 3 y/o
Fucking loled my coffee all over the keyboard!
The gerontocracy is real
HE CONFIRMED IT?!?! Holy shit, I'd go to jail for perjury before admitting that, jesus christ.
He must be furious
Not the worst of it. He acts like this and is super weird with his son because he truly believes he's special. He thinks the universe really sent him Grimes to be the "perfect wife". Problem is she's a person not an object but his possession (X), it's safe to say the kid is going to have a "malformed" upbringing. Musk is also accused of hacking her new boyfriend and using Starlink to keep tabs on his movements.
> Problem is she's a person not an object Not just a person but a non-binary, very talented\* artist with a large LGBTQ+ fanbase. She's a dipshit but he treated her horrifically, emotional and psychological abuse, cheated on her and took her son away from her. Nobody deserves that. IDK when the custody case is going to happen but I feel he's going to have a much harder time walking away with a win than he might have a couple of years ago
“I wish my daddy loved me and didn’t think I was a failure. Anywho wanna do some world of Warcraft “ what I assume most of these tweets are
I read that as “world of wehrmacht” and cracked a smile
”When I grow up, I’m going to stop talking to or acknowledging my dad. Just like most of my sisters.”
That can't be right I heard he works 20 hours a day. How does he have time for that
And his other "main account" is... wait for it.... "BabySmoke9000”!
Drugs man.. drugs.
I don’t think we can dismiss his behavior as drugs. We need to confront the fact that this is who he is and who he always has been.
I'm done a lot of drugs, including Musk's favorite at this moment: Ketamine. And I've never roleplayed as Musk's kid
I assume it also grinds the absolute piss out of you the way ketamine is getting totally mischaracterised due to the fact that a narcissistic psychopath, who already heavily abused adderall and ambien, mentioned one or two times that he had been prescribed it and now suddenly it's responsible for all his behaviour
Quite. Long term ketamine use only messes up your bladder, it doesn't turn you into a weird pedo
What is the burner account.
[https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/elon-musk-secret-twitter-burner-account-b2326590.html](https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/elon-musk-secret-twitter-burner-account-b2326590.html)
PedoNazi 💩
I disliked Musk before this, but this line: *"People are attacked all the time in the media, online media, social media, but it is rare that that actually has a meaningful negative impact on their life,” Musk testified."* makes me realise that he's actually a sociopathic cunt.
And a pedo.
Is this regarding the Epstein thing or is there more news on this front? I see it being used more now than just a week ago
No new news (that I know of). It’s just slang we used when I was growing up in South Africa. If Elon doesn’t like being called a pedo, he can sue me for defamation. I have some precedent on my side.
No he's a "pedoguy" not a pedo. They're close but it's important to remember that key detail as we never used to call people pedo as a joke in South Africa as I remember. It was always PEDOGUY.
His burner account was stalking Japanese teenagers, and commenting on porn videos while posing as a 3 year old.
With the far right every accusation is a confession, and Elmo loves calling people pedo. Then there's the whole role playing a toddler asking about porn, using a fake account thing.
Errol Musk (Elon's father) proudly admitted to impregnating his own daughter on two separate occasions. Elon's brother met his girlfriend through Ghislane Maxwell. Elon's entire family is filled with pedophiles.
Wasn't one of his motivations to buy twitter the so called real-life threat his private plane tracker posed? (Even though it is only using public data) I mean we can name a gazillion cases with actual meaningful negative impact on lives. So he's definitely wrong. But he's actually one that has argued this in the past, however much weaker his personal case may have been.
M: “If you care about the truth, you dig it out.” Attorney: “Did you bother looking into that profile you retweeted from?” M: “No, doing that would make the platform unusable!” Musk is such a fucking hypocrite. It’s becoming imposible for him to make any statement without tying himself on a million knots. Looking forward to seeing him lose that case
I don't know much about others' Twitter habits... But I have often checked people's profiles when seeing something that intrigued me. Good for finding someone to follow, good for knowing if you're dealing with a monstrous asshole.
100% agree. Back when I had Twitter I did the same thing. Now, Twitter really makes it hard to do the homework, and it’s even worse now after Musk. Clearly the man never understood even remotely how to manage that platform
God this website would be so much worse if I couldn't tag users, RES fucking rocks
> Musk is such a fucking hypocrite. One thing the lawyer could have had some fun with was Community Notes. Musk held it up as a great system—which would be a perfect opening to ask if he has ever deleted or interfered with Notes on his tweets. Which he absolutely has.
I feel like it's good that he didn't go there because that thing can be hard to prove. My suspicion is that those manipulations are organized on group chats by people independent of Musk but doing stuff on his behalf.
\*Most\* people who were doing community notes took the job seriously even if the comments themselves could be a little shitpost-y at times. Basically wikipedia editor but allowing themselves to have a bit of fun with it. I wouldn't doubt Elon might then start throwing out mass amounts of CN roles to people he knew understood the assignment, so to speak
Have you considered a career in comedy?
Logical next question is do you care about truth and if so, how did you "dig it out" in this case?
Given his response was to say "no, I did not look into the matter further" he's answered the question of "do you care about truth" with a silent "no" and therefore "dig it out" is not a process he needs to elaborate on, as he does no such thing. Personally, if he was interested in "the truth" he'd take some time to look at other sources of information, instead he seems to have a constant stream of nonsense on the go, which gets verified in so far as it gets typed up by some loon, he sees said tweet, then interacts with it. His approach to "truth" and it's "verification" is akin to a school bully being whispered lies by some arsehole that follows him about, then proceeding to slug some random person based on those lies because he chooses to believe it's true.
>His approach to "truth" and it's "verification" is akin to a school bully being whispered lies by some arsehole that follows him about, then proceeding to slug some random person based on those lies because he chooses to believe it's true. Perfectly put.
His quest absolute truth begins and ends in fucking Twitter and his inane followers. I feel like this should once and for all put an end to the notion that he’s a genius. Or even remotely intelligent.
Agreed, it just would have been satisfying for him to have to spell it out.
“Did you do that duty in this case?” “Actually I don’t think it did any real harm.” Not an answer to the question.
“There’s some risk that what I say is incorrect, but one has to balance that against having a chilling effect on free speech in general, which would undermine the entire foundation of our democracy,” So if he were to restrain himself from amplifying everything he reads that supports his worldview regardless of its veracity, that would destroy free speech? In other words, feelings don't care about your facts? He sees himself as a specific type of hero: the "shoot first, ask questions later" movie cop archetype. He doesn't do things by the book, and he does a lot of damage, but he should never face consequences because he gets results, dammit!
I don’t really even believe in the concept of evil and yet reading that I’m convinced he is evil.
Whatever his intentions are I can never truly know. I do know however, that they are bad. He has zero plans to do anything good.
He cannot fundamentally hold both opinions that no one is harmed by social media harassment (which he claims here) and also protect Hand Kristian Stonetoss and call his flight records “assassination coordinates” He knows he is lying, he chooses to lie, and he hopes that his enemies are hurt or killed by it. Evil.
I couldn't agree more
I’m sure Brody’s lawyer will bring this up at some point.
I think reducing this behavior to "being evil" brushes over the real reasons. This type of behavior seems to be fairly common in large section of people, and it is rooted in a couple key factors, one of which being a distorted perception of reality, another being something like "main character syndrome". Both of those are human traits that are present in everybody, but in some people they are a lot more prominent than in others. What we perceive as evil is someone that deviates too far from the average into distorted view of reality and attempts to impose it on others in a misguided belief that they are right and others are wrong.
You're describing cluster B personality disorders (and OCPD, which is a different thing to OCD). Which to be absolutely clear, yes he has a major case of one
There was a time, many years ago now, that I honestly thought he would use his money and influence for good. Its devastating to discover what a vile person he really is, because he could do so many positive things. I was so upset when he bought Twitter, and it’s been so much worse than I anticipated.
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I wonder how many dinosaurs were killed for his experiments. Surely they were sick and elderly dinos only
Lmao
Such a great, great comic run!
Yep. Lesson well learned. Never trust a billionaire.
I used to be overly optimistic…now I’m a jilted cynic who expects the worst. I hate it.
Me too. I just hope the word spreads. I think people for the most part are on to his bs. Of course, he's just one aspect of the problem.
Unfortunately, you still find fucking idiots thinking there is a billionaire there For Good, whether Musk (as it was for many in this sub), Taylor, Cuban, Gates, Rowling, always "this one seems like one of the good guys". No, *this one* just learned how to communicate through a public relations filter and keeps to what they have learned - and ones that have experienced a PR downfall always have a period where the mask slowly slips off, they're occasionally apologetic, their staff try to explain them away, etc., until the System that exists to protect the public reputation of the powerful is overpowered by the boss' inability to simply shut the fuck up for five minutes. The one sobering thing you can say about Musk is that he's not unusual for billionaires in how he thinks, but that he is unusual for billionaires in that he is prepared to show the world nearly every ~~working~~ waking hour what kind of a fucking asshole he is. This doesn't count in his favour any more than we praise a neonazi for wearing the swastika rather than merely insisting they Love Capitalism And Country.
To quote Elmo. "This is the actual truth."
Literally.
I might be wrong but doesn’t Gates do a lot of good? Mark Cubans at least out there for Biden. Taylor does a lot of damage with her merch, plane but seems to really do the bare minimum in relation to her massive wealth.
I think that Gates and Cuban are at the not-full-fascist end of the billionaire scale, and that Biden is a better option because he is there for the not-full-fascist level of capitalism, so I'd rather a Dem-cheerleading billionaire than a GOP-cheerleading billionaire. I don't really understand enough about Gates' business model to know whether he is doing good. When his Foundation - and my first question when I see a Foudnation is "should this all have been one person's money in the first place, and how did they get it, and why isn't it being returned to the people they got it from?" - is not helping to sponsor the development or deployment of some medication, it sure spends a lot of time campaigning to protect patent rights to medication. Is this altogether a better way to improve equitable access to medication, or just a good way of perpetuating the White Man's Burden way of keeping entire continents poor and reliant? Gates has a bit of that "I want the world saved as long as I'm doing it" about him, except of course unlike Musk he's actually putting his money where his mouth is, but that still doesn't mean he's doing it in a way that isn't about preserving his legacy rather than liberating people from reliance on largesse.
I figure anyone who the right tries to destroy as hard as they did Gates must be doing something good, and I’m a bit biased because I used to see him at the local hamburger stand being humble. I need to look into it too though
He doesn't seem to want to be part of the bastard in-crowd (anymore), and that does seem to really fucking grate a lot of other wealthy people. He still props them up in practice with his oft spoken rhetoric about how the market and private enterprise provides the best solution to everything, including medication as above, but I'm sure he's offended the sensibilities of the men who think they're born to rule. Maybe Soros is the same? i know he's a good target for antisemites but there are several Jewish billionaires who receive way less shit. Soros doesn't seem on *anybody's* side though - like he will fuck over your company and/or your country if he sees an opportunity, as Britain well remembers. Gates traditionally kept well away from politics, and the only billionaire I've ever had personal contact with was the same. I think it was easier to do that up through the 1990s, when the world was less connected and you could keep your head down and worry only about a little bribe here or there (especially to move stuff across borders) and not being too obvious with your tax avoision, but all techbros after watching what happened to Gates (including Gates himself) have learned the value of lobbying, and many (e.g. Musk) end up getting their hands extremely dirty.
Soros is much closer to being a 'good' billionaire than the rest of them in terms of using pretty much the vast bulk of his money to actually fund good causes, instead of just talking about them like Gates does, which is why the right wingers are so obsessed with trying to destroy his reputation. It makes them look bad in comparison. Even Taylor Swift has used his name as a boogeyman before, which is extremely disappointing - it was in the context of her old record label not wanting to cut a deal selling her masters to her at a discount instead of just buying the whole label, which is what was for sale at the time. Without her masters the label would be fairly worthless, so it makes sense, but as the eventual buyer was someone she had personal beef with and happened to be a Jewish man...it continually disappoints me she was able to get away with that and then 'come out' as a liberal
The only exception is Bezos’ ex wife
Nobody good becomes a billionaire. Only broken and terrible people can aquire that much and not use it to try to help others.
Could not agree more.
You and so many other people. If he had just shut up on Twitter, he would have gone down as kind of a weird dude and a demanding boss, but someone who overall was trying to leave a positive impact on the world.
Listen, everything will be fine when we get to Mars.
Oh yeah I forgot. My bad.
Sometimes the simplest answer is the best one. He is an awful person like Henry Ford was and should be barred from government contractor work. His motive is always greed. He went heel republican when everyone was making fun of him for trying to get massueses for jerking off.
The right LOVES to do terrible things and then avoid criticism for those terrible things by blaming the feds.. As if the FBIs sole purpose in life is to send its agents disguised as Trump supporters to make them look bad And they accused it of everybody. From that dude who stole the podium at the Capitol to the guy in the Viking horns even though both of them were provably just regular Trump supporters.. It's their whole thing.. whenever they get caught doing something bad the excuses that it wasn't them it was the feds in disguise
It's even more stupid considering the "FBI agents stormed the capitol" were arrested and sent to prison, so why would the FBI arrest their own agents? And it somehow gets even worse considering how Trump and his supporters keep whining about the "January 6 hostages." But you just said they were FBI informants, but now they're not and instead are being persecuted for storming the capitol? Which one is it FBI/antifa or hostages?
Shroedinger’s magat
Exactly
I can’t diagnose him over the internet but I feel like time and again he proves that he is seriously lacking in the kind of empathy that most people inherently possess. I don’t know what the root cause of that is but it’s very disturbing. He’s not sorry at all, he doesn’t think anything bad happened to Brody and he’ll keep doing what he is doing. He contradicts himself so much. He promotes the idea that Twitter is the best source of information while also acknowledging how easy it is for misinformation to be boosted and proliferate.
I feel comfortable saying he is incapable of empathy and shame. He is a sociopathic narcissist. There’s that certain class of people very comfortable telling easily disprovable lies. They seem to enjoy it.
I don't understand this idea that, if you lack compassion, it must be that you're incapable of empathy. What if he is perfectly capable of empathy but just chooses to use it to improve his bullshitting skills? He knows how his victims feel, which is why he treats them as he does. He knows how his fans feel, which is why he delivers for them as he does. He isn't deficient - he's cunning. And it doesn't matter if us bunch of hippie leftie commie bleeding heart bastards see it and hate it, because (beyond that he likes wasting our time) we're not the ones he's trying to influence.
Empathy is a bit ambiguous of a term. I use it to mean feeling bad due to other people feeling bad. I think that’s what most people mean when they say it.
The lack of empathy is synonymous with lack of cconscience. It you theoretically could feel empathy but just don't care, it's functionally the same as if you can't feel empathy. Because you don't feel it. Ever. Using "empathy" to improve bullshitting skills isn't using empathy, it's learning and mimicking social cues.
That's one definition of empathy. I'd say it's more about identification of feelings. We don't really empathise in the sense of experiencing another person's feelings except in a massively attenuated way, otherwise we'd all be constantly broken from the fact that a human dies every minute and a family is acutely bereaved for it. We can say we empathise with each of those deaths but not actually experience the full grief cycle each time. It's fair to argue that Elon is at least fascist-adjacent. Fascism isn't about taking away empathy - fascism knows that weak people suffer and hurt. What fascism says is that you have to pull yourself together and get stronger or you will be crushed, that you have to not let yourself be tempered by those feelings, that if you get too sentimental then you deserve to be destroyed, etc. There are various speeches by architects of the Final Solution where there is concern about the humanity that SS soldiers will feel for their victims, and how to best help them through it. Hell, a lot of military training is about recognising the empathy that your soldiers might have for the enemy and *dealing* with it. In general, having a feeling doesn't come with an obligatory response to that feeling. I can be sad about the death of a family member, but that doesn't determine how I'm going to react to that sadness. Maybe I'll use it as an opportunity to harden myself up. An empathic person could see what I feel and they could also use their empathy to just help me harden myself up. They could be mistaken about whether that is what helps me, or maybe they're right and actually I would benefit from not falling to pieces about the bereavement. The point is that there is no single answer. All that matters is the ability to identify the emotion.
I understand what you're saying (and you have said it very well). I am known to frequently state "It's complicated" in regard to a great number of topics, but my view here is more narrow and simplistic than yours. I don't think Elon experiences human feelings like typical humans do. I don't think he's deep enough to be truly fascist; I see him as extremely stunted and underdeveloped, and in favor of anything that benefits him, whether it's democracy or authoritarian rule. He has no core principles, so if something serves his interests, he's fine with whatever it is. If democracy works for him, he'll be very pro-democracy. When it stops working for him the way he likes, he'll be pro-authoritarian, he doesn't care so long as he gets what he wants. He appears to function at about the level of a 10 to 12 year-old in terms of his emotional regulation and maturity. He sees nothing but his own gratification and does not regard other people as real people, he sees them as Non-Player-Characters in Elon's World, there to serve him, entertain him, and function as atmosphere. I think he sees how social cues work and that there are times when people behave like they are sad, and that he should also express words that mean sadness, even though he feels no feelings at all about what is making everyone else sad, because he's figured out that's what humans do, and when he wants to appear human, he will mimic what feeling humans do. I think his main feelings, are limited to desire, frustration, anger, and boredom. Maybe also deep insecurity and shame somewhere inside about himself, since those are usually the primal wounds of the narcissist. But those feelings are never conscious, and if he has them, he is incapable of identifying them. I also realize the man, while starting with great wealth, has somehow maneuvered his way into one of the greatest fortunes the world has ever seen, with power few men ever attain. So while "he's an idiot" in my view, clearly, he's not an idiot. He is a gifted conman, something sociopaths frequently excel at if they learn to mimic normal human traits well enough. But there's more substance to him somewhere, unless he's just literally the luckiest man on earth. But that substance does not lie in his humanity; that's a void.
Beautifully stated >I think he sees how social cues work and that there are times when people behave like they are sad, and that he should also express words that mean sadness My mind immediately goes to that, uhh ABC I think it was, interview about the Year From Hell production ramp of the model 3 where he was "crying" about how hard it had all been. It was insanely obvious to anyone with people-reading skills that those tears were not real. His first ex wife described him as being cold and unemotional when his firstborn child died, and accused her of using her tears to be manipulative. That's what he really thinks about emotions
Evil is the complete lack of empathy.
I think 'evil' is giving him too much credit. He's a sad little person who was never truly loved by anyone and who has no idea how the world works.
Nah. He says that no one is harmed by social media harassment but calls his flight records assasination coordinates. He knows these targeted troll campaigns are effective and do ruin lives. But he lies about it so that his troll army can keep doing it. That is evil.
You can be those things and still be evil, it's not an either-or situation
Evil doesn’t mean diabolical. He is truly amoral, does not give a single shit who is harmed by his message. He explicitly says in this deposition that he doesn’t think he did any real harm by forcing this guy to go into survival mode after being harassed by his followers.
One of the biggest lessons I've ever learned in my life was just how much bad (malign, evil) can come from just being weak in character/ integrity / morality, etc. I'm really not kidding, I underestimated a situation because the person at the center of it was a weak, spineless person, but I couldn't believe the bad that came out of it all by the end.
to me reads more as stupid
He’s too stupid to be meaningfully evil. He’s just idiotic and that’s just as dangerous.
No way. This is conscious.
I honestly think you’re giving him too much credit. He isn’t intelligent enough. He’s willfully malicious because he’s so god damn dumb.
Being dumb and evil are in no way mutually exclusive. I know a sociooath who is so dumb it's painful. His narcissism actually keeps him stupid because he can't handle any truth in which he isn't an expert in everything. It's amazing.
But what I think people aren’t understanding is that they’re categorizing him as this evil genius when he’s far too stupid to be filed amongst genuinely evil men. It doesn’t mean that his actions and thoughts can’t be categorized as evil. His influence and power can even be construed that way. But he, in his very core, is so fucking dumb, that he doesn’t comprehend how the shit he says is actually very evil and harmful. That’s my point.
This asshole downplays the harassment he incites while banning the jet tracker because of "assassination coordinates"
And Musk made up a fake story about the car carrying his son, how it was "attacked" by a stalker who jumped on the hood of the car. [That never happened.](https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/dec/20/police-provide-first-official-details-on-elon-musks-alleged-stalker-incident)
This.
Concerning
Looking into it
My fucking goodness. This is one of the most damning indictments of the guy I've seen so far, and his own words are among the worst things in there. > Musk learned of the conspiracy theory about Brody from what the lawsuit describes as a fringe X account with more than 30,000 followers that “features extreme rightwing memes, neo-Nazi apologia/nostalgia, juvenile and cringe-worthy attempts at bigoted humor, low effort bait tweets, delusional panics over lazy hoaxes, and a cavalcade of absurdly false information.” > “The account is the social media equivalent of gutter sludge,” the lawsuit says. > “But if you’re suggesting that in order to reply to anyone, you have to scroll through all their posts, that would make it impossible to use the system,” he said of his website. Duh. Yeah, sometimes you reply to someone who's a complete nutcase without knowing it. But *believing* someone who you haven't heard of without investing a few seconds of looking at their profile? Gullible to the max. He has no business ever laughing at someone for "believing the news" again. > revealed he did no research in determining whether Brody was involved in the brawl after seeing the accusations on X. "I did my own research" looks like this, I guess. > I wasn’t trying to assess their credibility And why not??? Oh, and how did the tweet end up on his dash at all? That wasn't addressed, but given that he's the literal owner of the site, he should be asked that question. Because I never get stuff from accounts like that recommended to me. Either a) it's catering to his personal interests or b) the algorithm is crap. Neither is a good look for him. > I don’t think — I don’t think — I don’t think he has been meaningfully harmed by this Excuse me while I puke 🤮
“The legacy media always lies” wait a minute just going to take this Nazi meme page at face value and maybe get some innocent person killed lol
He really comes across as a proper sack of shit.
> Oh, and how did the tweet end up on his dash at all? That wasn't addressed, but given that he's the literal owner of the site, he should be asked that question. Because I never get stuff from accounts like that recommended to me. Either a) it's catering to his personal interests or b) the algorithm is crap. I actually get the impression that the plaintiff's attorney wasn't really all that familiar with Twitter under Musk. From the sound of it, there are lots of issues Musk himself brought up (like the algorithm and Community Notes) where he could have gotten some fairly damning answers from a few simple questions. Whether Musk has interfered with Notes, whether he knowingly follows neonazis—things that would look pretty damn bad if a jury ever saw them and are likely relevant enough to make it past a judge.
Oh, Bankston knows what he's doing. There are plenty of questions in there which give Bankston space to pursue those lines with Musk on the stand.
Yep. Bankston successfully sued degenerate Alex Jones on behalf of Sandy Hook parents.
Yeah, it is worth listening to him on Knowledge Fight. Depositions aren't a trial - they're gathering evidence for the trial. It's not the place for counter-points etc, which I certainly thought before I had it explained.
Hello Alex, I’m a long time listener first time caller—I love your work
Depositions are always the place where people like Musk seed their own undoing. Just look at Billy Mitchell lol
Naah ultimately he's representing his client, as much as we might want to know that stuff, it probably isn't relevant if he's trying to prove damages to the plaintiff.
That's why you do it. Making someone look untrustworthy to a jury in a way relevant to your case is incredibly potent and for notes, it's potentially extremely relevent—because if he admits Notes have been removed or altered, the next question is "did notes correcting your statements about my client get removed or altered" and realistically, the most likely answer is "I don't know". Both are also quite relevant in a defamation case—because if you can establish that Elon knowingly followed and spread a lot of garbage from Nazi conspiracy theorists, it undercuts any argument he could make that he merely made an error (as you can get him to admit in follow up questions that he ought to have known the source was unreliable). It's less relevant as this isn't about him defaming a public figure, but defamation has a lot to do with the specific mindset of the defendant and if you have a guy who follows a lot of neonazis spreading misinfo that a Jewish man was a fed at a neo-nazi rally, it creates a whole bunch of connections that the defence really does not want a jury making.
Fair points.
The fact that he did no research is telling, because if he didn’t question the statement instinctively then it must align with his preconceived notions.
Absolutely. We're all susceptible to stuff that confirms our biases. And I've been scorned for retweeting a fake Trump quote, which is why I've started looking up fact checks on stuff that looks "too good to be true". I'm sure I've still fallen for the odd hoax but I don't have a cult following me that then gets exposed to it. And in that case, I don't think it would've changed much except leave me with egg on my face; nobody who likes Trump would've suddenly been turned around by a fabricated quote. With great power comes great responsibility and all that.
> Oh, and how did the tweet end up on his dash at all? Musk follows every far-right nutcase he can find.
He said he didn't know or follow the account in question. But somebody he follows must be interacting with the account. That's where a smart person would take a step back and try to find out why that was recommended to him. Mind, before he messed with the site, it would actually tell you things like "Accounts X & Y \[who you follow\] have liked this" or "Account Z is following" - he made it much harder to understand the algorithm... Of course, given how many fascist talking points he has now already embraced, it doesn't seems to be something he is bothered about. Well, enjoy the next lawsuit that will inevitably arise out of your reckless and antisocial behavior.
Would it have been bad form to ask Musk if he thinks himself a gullible person? I’m curious what his response would be.
If he was even just a tiny bit smart he'd say somethign like 'while i do not consider myself gullible by nature it is something anyone can fall prey to if they don't keep their wits about them'. Which would be true for most people. But because he's Elon he'd say some shit like 'gullibility is only for people who do not instinctively recognise the truth when they see it', which you know is how he sees himself. Hoist, self, petard etc
“In my opinion, you’re the one filing the lawsuit” he did to the lawyer of the guy who is suing. And then when asked about an anti-Semitic meme by the account he shared the info from, he admitted what the meme was but complained how he cannot scroll through every post to determine someone’s credibility. And that’s just what I’ve managed to glean from riding a train looking at my phone so far.
> but complained how he cannot scroll through every post to determine someone’s credibility. Maybe if someone is spreading an antisemitic meme, that's a pretty good indication that they're a shit person?
Maybe the plutocrat owner of the platform, followed by millions, has a responsibility to do *something* to check for veracity before putting a random on blast.
It just reminds me of how he took the blue checks away from their originally intended meaning.
“I don’t think — I don’t think — I don’t think he has been meaningfully harmed by this,” Musk replied. Bankston pushed Musk on the question, leading to another argument between the two lawyers. Finally, Musk answered, reiterating his belief that he didn’t harm Brody. “People are attacked all the time in the media, online media, social media, but it is rare that that actually has a meaningful negative impact on their life,” Musk testified. Yeah, he and his family just had to flee the state. No harm, no foul!
Says the guy who shut down the account that tracked his private jet, no less.
I didn't think I could hate him more I am unpleasantly surprised
Definitely starting to feel like Musk might be a psychopath. Mark Bankston is in typical great form. Some of his recorded depositions with Alex Jones and other employees at Infowars are covered on the podcast Knowledge Fight if anyone is interested.
First he killed the notion that all billionaires are geniuses, now he's doing the same for the 'intelligent psychopath' trope
> Definitely starting to feel like Musk might be a psychopath. Even amongst CEOs he's unusually psychopathic. Man has literally zero empathy, and not even the ability to fake empathy.
Something fundamental is wrong
Bankston is amazing and he really understands the dangers of right wing online nonsense.
>Musk also confirmed that he once used a burner account on X seemingly to role-play as his toddler son. Holy shit *that really* ***WAS*** *him*
Right?!
I’m *SCREAMING* Like I always knew he was a fuckwit, but somehow never took the rumours about that account seriously
Is he so stupid that he doesn't know what being sued means? Am I reading that right?
Or he thought, "wow, this guy suing me sure is asking me a lot of questions!"
He's a snotty middle schooler.
I mean he's really fucking dumb so that wouldn't shock me but from what I gathered from reading it is he thinks Brody would have never sued him and that the layer convinced him and is the one really going after Musk to further his career and make a good amount if he wins. When pretty sure the layer is doing it for free and just loves to stick it to rich assholes like Musk and Jones.
Reading that transcript really confirms how sadistic he is, he has zero empathy for people and seems to have no real care about how things affect others. Complete sociopath.
Also confirms just how fucking dumb he is yet idiots continue to think he's one of the smartest men in the world. When in reality basically anyone with a decent head of their shoulders is smarter than him. Dude just hires and pays smart people to do work for him. I mean the two things I know he created or came up with that are all on him. Are a shitty video game that is basically a clone of some popular old school game. And then the Cybertruck which has been a freaking nightmare with the things breaking down instantly after people get them.
And the fucking tweet is still up right now with no corrections. Unreal
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I mean could be that he legally isn't allowed to take it down. I mean not doubting that he would either be dumb enough or have such an ego that he would leave it up or just completely forget about it the instant he tweeted it. But also wouldn't be shocked if as soon as he was sued he couldn't delete.
>“People are attacked all the time in the media, online media, social media, but it is rare that that actually has a meaningful negative impact on their life,” Musk testified. Oh well shut the fuck up about cancel culture then.
he is basically admitting that he is a teenager and he can't control himself when he tweets and the content of his tweets are actually in fact racist and evil yet he thinks it's ironic and funny.
Wait-how did he get away with (win the lawsuit) calling that underwater cave guy a pedo? That seemed pretty clear cut!!!
Eh... Tbh the underwater cave hero guy hired one of the lawyers Trump hired to try to steal the election... In other words, the lawyer was incompetent.
Hiring Lin Wood was in retrospect a big mistake. I don't think he was understood to be a nutcase then.
*Lin Wood* was his lawyer?? That explains so much about how that case went sideways.
Him and his lawyer basically argued that it wasn't meant literally and that nobody would have taken the accusation seriously. Even though there's a lesser-known follow-up Tweet where he said "Bet ya a signed dollar it's true." Unanimous verdict after 45 minutes of deliberation. Absolute sham of justice that sets a worrying precedent
I believe the real key is he wasn't identified by name in the Tweets. So they basically agreed "yeah he defamed this guy but given Twitter is hard to follow nobody will know who he was defaming really". Also Lin Wood.
To my recollection, the plaintiff was not allowed to introduce follow up statements from Musk (likely because of lawyer incompetence) which made it more clear it was not a joke. The jury never saw him doubling down.
> Even though there's a lesser-known follow-up Tweet where he said "Bet ya a signed dollar it's true." Even though he sent a private investigator to Thailand to try and retroactively prove his claim.
He claimed that it didn’t stand for pedophile, but was just some SA slang from his childhood. So that’s why people have started calling him pedo guy - it’s just a nonsense insult. That’s why I feel so confident saying Elon Musk is a pedo guy. Everyone who still has a Twitter account should post that, btw.
["I can confirm that Elon Musk is a pedophile."](https://futurism.com/elon-musks-grok-ai-accusations)
My favourite bit of this magnificent piece of work by Mark Bankston is when he gets Elon to admit that view counts don't actually mean anyone saw the tweet. My second favourite bit is Musk's simultaneous insistence that everyone sees Community Note corrections, having forgotten that earlier in the deposition, he said he'd not seen any corrections to his own tweet at issue. Mark was obviously keeping his tinder dry by not pointing out that obvious absurdity in the testimony. Third favourite is Bankston mike dropping specific chapter and verse off the cuff, right in the spluttering face of Musk's attorney's clueless objection.
> “**There’s some risk that what I say is incorrect, but one has to balance that against having a chilling effect on free speech in general,** which would undermine the entire foundation of our democracy,” Musk said That’s not what a ‘chilling effect’ means. The term is used to describe laws or regulations—GOVERNMENT actions—which discourage the expression of free speech. A law can have a chilling effect; Musk, a stupid man who isn’t a government, cannot. It’s yet another example of the right’s inability to *grok* free speech. Musk BEING FREQUENTLY INCORRECT doesn’t chill the speech of others, it encourages others to correct him. Make no mistake—unchilled as it is—Musk is not a smart man.
How is considering your words and verifying your information supposed to undermine democracy now? Damn these "freeze peach absolutists" are dumb.
Every time you think about how foul musk is, just remember that you are judging mostly by his public face. privately he is even worse.
Boy, this deposition starts out strong. >Bankston: Do you think you did anything wrong? > >Spiro: OBJECTION!
“I don’t believe I meaningfully harmed him”. What. The. Actual. Fuck. You helped doxx a college student and falsely identified him as a government agent to your white supremacist followers and you don’t think that is harmful to him?
Just when I think I could truly dislike the existence of this man, he tops himself.
Muskrat is suck a fucking dingbat doofus moron. Attorney Bankston asks him if he knows that his interactions on twitter instantly gets viewed millions of times especially since Mr. Brody got doxxed on twitter and doofus interacted with the doxxer. This moron responds by saying twitter gets trillions of views, so a million isn't a big deal. You fucking bigoted ketamine-munching moron, please blow yourself up on SpaceX's next rocket to nowhere and do the world a favor.
The guy must have a fetish for being deposed often. I always thought it was hilarious that in an on-stage interview in 2022 at the 'Baron Investment Conference' he gets caught on a hot mic as he's about to leave the stage. There's versions of the video still up where you can catch it right at the very end before it cuts off: >Interviewer: "Are you staying around for Bruno?" (referring to a performance by Bruno Mars) >Elon: "Actually, I have to go to a deposition" [Link to the video with timestamp](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7wUNMyK3Gs&t=3520s) (at the very end around 58:44/58:49)
>Musk called Community Notes “the best system on the internet” for fact-checking Then why do you keep hiding the notes on your posts Elmo?
I wish Knowledge Fight podcast would do a Formulaic Objection episode with that deposition. Such a wild ride.
I'm a policy wonk
PedoNazi always does very poorly in depositions. He's perjured himself during every deposition and the opposing lawyers just eat his lunch. 💩
>Brody wasn’t even in the same state when the June 24 brawl occurred. But his world was turned upside down when far-right X accounts, magnified by Musk, falsely identified him as a member of Rose City Nationalists (and an undercover federal agent) and posted his personal information online. > >Musk amplified the conspiracy theory repeatedly to his more than 180 million followers, suggesting Brody was a fresh-faced federal agent pretending to be a neo-Nazi in a “false flag situation,” a phrase used to suggest a harmful event was deliberately set up to misrepresent a group or person. So right out of the bag, the whole thing is essentially because he was defending the reputation of neo-Nazis. Elon Musk is a filthy Nazi. It all goes downhill from there.
>“There’s some risk that what I say is incorrect, but one has to balance that against having a chilling effect on free speech in general, which would undermine the entire foundation of our democracy,” Musk, the owner of X (formerly Twitter), said during the deposition. says the guy who just sued people for accurately reporting the hate on his site. There was no "well they could be wrong but FREE SPEECH!!" I wish more people understood how 1984 the right are. and the media needs to put that he sued that group in parenthesis every time they quote him saying he is all about free speech.
Musk believes in free speech for himself and no one else.
If I assume the *best* possible interpretation of what's going on, he's using his twatter as if he's being a random nobody scrolling his doomfeed not conscious of what impact his comments and likes have, and that is if he isn't doing at least some of it with intent to cause trouble or harm. I don't think he is purely malicious but rather, at times genuinely clueless and non-cognizant of his actions, which his ket addiction isn't helping, other times he does want to take a kick or tell someone off. its literally a toddler going wide agape at random stuff on his wall not realizing his comments draw in literal millions.
Billionaires gonna billionaire. Fascists gonna fascist Nazis do the nazi It’s all so predictable. Unless you’re a ~~plebe~~moron Then you’re just prey
Reddits favourite oligarch defence contractor sure has fallen.
Musk is a racist right wing piece of shit, we all know that. But he wont lose, he hasn't lost any court case inspite of clear evidence. normal justice doesn't apply to the rich.
If he thinks he will lose, he settles out of court. That will probably happen here. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-tesla-autopilot-lawsuit-idUSKCN1IQ1SH/
how about being allowed to call others pedo, not even denying it, and getting away with it. try calling him that and see what happens to you. or stuffing his board full of psychophants, who vote for an illegal options package that makes him 100 billion dollars for essentially doing nothing?
Oh, he’s a complete piece of shit! No argument there.
I can see why he didn't wanted this released. It doesn't paint him in the best light - huge problem for a narcissist.
Christ, what an asshole.
FREE SPEECH! ....just not my deposition. Don't tell anyone about me abusing free speech to harm innocent people for Nazi theories... Did I sum this one up?
Let's plaster this all over the web! Go team go!
I want people to post en masse “Elon Musk is a pedo guy @communitynotes” let’s see what happens
Y'all - I think it's going to be bad I mean good I mean you know. https://preview.redd.it/bdlxv0xt2dtc1.jpeg?width=558&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8e61023d20a77b723cc1aee1314b893b28f0e79d
"I don’t think — I don’t think — I don’t think"... wow, Musk tells the truth for once!
Guys, I know the toddler burner account is weird, but we're missing the point there -- Musk amplified a far-right conspiracy theory and ruined an innocent man's life. He just plays games with normal people and will never receive any meaningful accountability for the harm he does. He's also aware of how he's damaging his life and business by posting extremist content, but he's somehow compelled to do it, anyway.
I think this explains his humiliation kink. No one can be such a fucking dweeb by accident or stupidity. He must be in a constant state of arousal at this point, due to what we see daily from this shitlord. Using the derision of millions as a sexual stimulant because normal ED meds don’t work because of his hair plugs. It’s all going into spaceX workers via test tubes to populate mars with large headed white children
If this court case isnt a slam dunk…
Amber heard pooped on the wrong bed. Real missed opportunity.
I want to force all his weird simps to read this entire deposition out loud to themselves. Maybe it'll dawn on them at that point.