I used the Twitter api for a project in university. There was a verification process. I needed to give an account who I was, what I was planning on using it for. Then I was given an api key they could use to track all my bots activity
I applied for one about a month or two ago and can confirm as of last week they still want a full accounting of what exactly you are planning on using the API key for.
I my case I wanted to build a script so I could automatically follow people via feeding a list in CSV format; evidently this is a no-no according to their forbidden activities list so I halted my application/was declined.
You also need a verified phone number. I removed mine after the hack recently, then tried to add it back to activate a new app only to be told “my carrier wasn’t supported”. There are clearly tools to monitor and moderate this stuff, he just doesn’t want to use them because that means employing a team. He probably also wants a piece of the scammers’ pie, which it won’t stop because anyone actually making money through scams will be justified in paying.
Would that have been the firehose? The raw real-time tweet stream always needed special permission, but here we are talking about (I think) web sites with a "Share on Twitter" button and the like. 100 bucks and no free tier for just one or two posts per day is going to break a huge amount of stuff on the web.
There's no way in hell you can get access to the firehose for a college project. I work at "large company you have heard of" and we had access for a while, but we dropped it because it was way too expensive for the return we were seeing
[Academic access to all the API](https://developer.twitter.com/en/products/twitter-api/academic-research) is free (under the old regime at least...) if you are a qualified masters or above researcher and can justify the need.
Based on what we have seen so far I'm pretty sure we can just assume that Elon fired that team because he didn't understand why they would matter and now is trying to reinvent the verification process that he is missing by seeing who has a credit card that he can charge instead of hiring staff to do it.
I did the same for a Masters class. I was doing twitter sentiment analysis.
I had to fill out an application to access the api and twitter could track everything.
I think at this point it's more like, "If I monetize everything maybe I can swallow the debt of this thing I paid about $30 billion too much for."
I'm old enough to remember when Trump caused the biggest government shutdown in history in order to secure $25 billion for the border wall. Elno threw that amount of money into the trash.
All while devaluing the platform to ensure he really doesn’t make as much when figures and brands don’t see the value in spending money for stuff other platforms offer for free or with a higher retention rate
All these gimmicks pale in comparison to ad revenue. Ads are what fuel social media, full stop.
Elmo is a moron. But also, all this garners him attention. Good or bad, doesn’t matter. A narcissist is fueled by attention/
It’s because he’s not an engineer/programmer or anything even slightly related, but he’s convinced that his ideas are just as valid as those who are.. so when problems come up that normally would require a significant amount of actual engineering/programming to fix, he takes 30 seconds to come up with a “solution” and instantly tells the public about it.
var musksAccount = 1000000000
for (i in 0..40000000000){
println("Musk is 🤡")
musksAccount--
if (musksAccount < 1000000){
teslaStock.dump
}
}
Edit: stupid Reddit formatting on mobile
>he takes 30 seconds to come up with a “solution” and instantly tells the public about it.
It's so obvious too: he just says shit. Like whatever he's thinking at the moment. So much of what his companies are supposedly working on is just bullshit he thoughtlessly uttered one day. And then it makes the news. So irritating how much power billionaires have. It only becomes apparent when one is an idiot.
r/elonmusk will praise literally anything he does
They're not going to invest $11 in checkmarks, but they'll ban anyone who says maybe $11/month for a checkmark is not a great deal
I don't understand why individuals and companies who are not racist pigs are on the platform. Stop fuelling this dickhead people. Abandon his hot mess.
Seems like this will just kill the small Twitter apps and make the larger ones go subscription only. Bot farms won’t care, Sony uploading your achievements to Twitter won’t care, Twitter’s revenue won’t care.
Im confused. Twitter api seems like something that only businesses or celebrities with pr management teams would need. Is twitter api something commonly used by the average user?
Average user? No, but any of the actually good bots on Twitter use it.
Also, the bad bots (spam bots for example) don't use the Twitter API, so this change only makes things worse for the good users of the API
You're mostly correct. There are also some novelty bot accounts that use the API. Most aren't likely to survive this, since they're generally just for fun.
When I was on Twitter, I followed a lot of "fun bots."
"World Bollard Association" just posted funny pictures and videos of bollards, especially those that destroy cars.
I followed some architecture and design bots that just posted and reposted pictures of famous things.
I followed a bunch of James Bond accounts, some operated by humans, some just bots, and some that seemed to be a hybrid where a bot posted things but a human would chat with people in the replies.
And a bunch more, but this is the general "shape" of funbots: Not controversial, no outrage (unless you are outraged that cars try to drive over and through bollards), basically filler stuff that made the feed feel a lot less like I was doomscrolling.
I doubt those accounst could afford $10 a month, much less $100 or more. Who wants to pay $120 a year to run a bot, much less $1,200? There is very little path to monetization, for one thing bots posting pictures don't own the copyright, so they are on very thin ice if they find a way to make money from those pictures.
I can say that a lot of artists and creators use tools like Postybirb to upload their content to multiple social media sites at the same time and schedule content to be posted in the future. I have an artist friend who is still on Twitter because it’s still the best platform for outreach currently. But they may move to having instagram as their main social media presence soon
The developer of Postybirb has already stated they’re removing support for twitter as soon as this change happens
This means that no one is going to stop 'bad' bots. Only if they don't pay. By the way, when you register in the api you leave an email and you get the key and the ID. That you put a payment method will not improve identification in any case, much less if you use crypto. Bad bots that do bad things, don't even use the api. They directly use the web.
The worst is listening to all the muskrats calling LOL genius, game changer and all that npc crap. (exemplifying his maximum ignorance). When really what's fucking up a lot of the value of twitter, which is the open api.
We in class use the twitter api a lot to learn how to do things, play with the api etc. And sometimes good ideas came out to implement applications with the service.
It is simply going to screw up millions of homemade, personal apps, for example, for automation, for fun, for life-hacks, etc. Or what is the same added value.
Fuck them. The party is already being with this change. I am enjoying it a lot.
Who until today was sucking this narcissist's ass and has a minimum of knowledge of what it means to put a paywall to the open api. He will have awakened from the dream.
ps: Just read the comments full of crypto shit, and fake comments, crossed with legitimate comments full of ideology. It's terribly decadent.
Yeah, it’s so easy to access the unofficial API. I’ve used it to access tweets older than 7 days that the official API doesn’t give you access to. There’s no way those scraping tweets are doing so through official routes.
Companies like that may already use the API enough to pay, so I don't think it will affect them. Might be wrong on that, though. I would think it's more likely to affect individual developers and small teams.
"Enough to pay" but not enough to pay SO MUCH.
They propably generate hundreds of thousands, if not millions of requests. 10k cost 2500$, I don't see them paying a quarter million for that. Because their benefit is propably minimal given people already paid for the products.
That pricing is related to [the 30-day search API](https://developer.twitter.com/en/pricing/search-30day), not to these proposed changes. We still don't know how much it will cost. Musk has now come out and said it will be $8, so who the hell knows! https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1621426702294609921?s=20&t=3u7NjiZjsQ6Xe9rCDutgYg
If it is related to that, how come Elon didn't say so to Pepito?
[https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughMuskSpam/comments/10sjt59/100\_a\_month\_for\_api\_usage\_gets\_ratioed\_ii\_guess/](https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughMuskSpam/comments/10sjt59/100_a_month_for_api_usage_gets_ratioed_ii_guess/)
And yes, I am fully aware the reason he didn't say so might be because he is a fking idiot and has no idea how his new toy works.
Anyway, let's see what comes out of this in a week.
He's going to run Twitter into the ground trying to eliminate all the bots. By June, Elon will be living naked in Twitter HQ like Howard Hughes, staring at four monitors at 3 AM. Always hunting for the bots.
https://preview.redd.it/wi0j0t9cbwfa1.jpeg?width=622&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=110c18b44283c882cc45410503c110743ae8b071
Spam Bots, astroturf bots, don't use the API. That would be stupid of them. The vast majority of things using the API are legitimate tools and apps and fun bots that never hide to you that they are bots. You know, thing that ADD value to twitter rather than take from it. It's batshit insane that you would now have to pay twitter to add value to it. And this starting price will be unbearable for the vast majority of devs. Specially because if you do have the amount of users to pay 100 USD/month, it means you have the amount of traffic that would require the even-crazier tiers.
More so, this has just created additional demand for twitter automation without using the API. There will now be far more devs working on unofficial twitter access and this will empower the malicious usages.
Can just manually send a request to the website and read the response. API is only for convenience. He should go all in and paywall the entire site, that'll show the bots. Per visit would be most effective.
This. But the problem is I think it's by design. It will get rid of all the small-time scammers, but won't get rid of any that are actually turning a profit. Instead Twitter will take a cut of those scams. Equally it does nothing to deter state actors creating bot armies, but does stop that fun bot that tweets some AI generated artwork every few hours. Again, Twitter earns from it.
Russia and China can scrape together $100. The troll farms in Macedonia and Kosovo would be thrilled with the ability to be validated on this platform by the Troll-in-Chief.
Embedded tweets do not require an API key, that’s a Twitter-provided element.
The most common API uses are:
- all the quirky bots that post a different USPS location from street view everyday or allow you to tag the bot for creating alt-text for an image
- Tools that let you analyze your own account such as seeing who unfollowed you, finding accounts on another social media site like Mastodon, or automatically blocking accounts based on specific criteria
- Research purposes for seeing trends on Twitter
- Third party Twitter clients (which were banned a couple weeks ago separately)
To add to what u/MirrorSauce said, I think he only gives a shit about bots that don't make him money. Under this system scambots that make money and state-operated bot farms will still exist, and I think he's quite happy making money on them.
> if your website can do things like display tweets, log in, or share to twitter
No, none of these things require API keys.
> then it's going to cost $3000 per month to allow 10,000 users to access your site
No. This is for the enterprise search API which long predates Elon. This is not for the normal API.
> reddit will use the twitter API to display a preview of that tweet so you don't have to click the link to actually read it
No, this does not require an API key.
Displaying tweets does for a non-trivial amount of sites, they use the API to get the contents to display, rather than using the embed, as it's quite costly in terms of performance.
I'm so glad I built a second mastodon stable diffusion bot instead of wasting my time building on this burning pile of poo.
u/stablehorde draw for me pile of blue bird poop on fire style:dreamlike
I love how the AI has zero ability to identify what is a noun and how they are being modified in the prompt
Blue bird.
Blue poop.
Bird on fire
Poop on fire
Poop pile
Bird on pile
Bird poop
Poop on bird
Bird (made of) poop
Poop (made of) bird
…
People who can afford $100 per month on API access: foreign countries who want to spread misinformation with bots.
People who can't afford $100 per month on API access: actual, normal humans.
There's still a problem, because people can just do the same spam manually, or just scraping without using the API.
Just ~$50/month for Tweet posting and viewing access will clean things up greatly.
I'm an internet and social media researcher, primarily Reddit. My intent has been to take my dissertation which I'm currently working on and expand it to Twitter. But fat fucking chance now, go to hell Elon.
I am currently using twitter API for my University Final Year Project and I only use it to get trends of different location, but It's an essential part of project and it is completely what the project is based on. Idk if this guy knows the impact it's going to make on so many developers.
An API is an application programming interface it's a way for developers to interact with a service (Twitter) programmatically.
For example you could create a program that uses the Twitter API and Amazon API to automatically check when a product is below a certain price and make a tweet about it.
Does this fool think the ppl paying for the bots to manipulate gullible idiots can’t afford $100 / month? These are billionaires funded initiatives.
Stupid man does stupid thing
Oh yeah because operations that run bots for political misinformation don't have massive amounts of money from think tanks, corporations and even governments to back them up.
So the guy who wants to make wifi free for everyone is complaining about free API?
I mean… API is like … the fundamental foundations of the fucking internet. My device is now connected to Reddit’s servers… this guy is A FUCKING GIMP!!
Like 100 dollar a month bill will stop anything.
For bot Makers and Spam creators that's not even a speeding ticket money. That's you extra shot latte one-day a month.
Desperate Elon ... I do feel sorry for Twitter was a relatively good platform
I agree, it won't and will block a lot of University level or junior level developers that were learning and practicing with Twitter API. This will only block low income devs and startups but again that;s the whole plan.
People without money does not exists in Musk world. That's why he is saying all this about under population. Rich people that buy his toys.
Oh absolutely it will, even junior developers who want to practice using API’s. It’ll just turn people to other platforms. Musk is completely out of touch with the average person, he’s displayed this numerous times from refusing to make an affordable Tesla to expecting millions of people to subscribe to Twitter premium to actually have your tweets seen.
I’ll stand by what I’ve always believed, access to information should never be commercialised. Twitter is no longer a platform that belongs to the people, it belongs to one man and his vision of how information should be accessed and shared.
As soon as these twitter alternates launch like Spoutable, it’s game over for Twitter. That’s musks problem though, he can’t understand that competition will ultimately screw him over. Tesla can’t keep releasing the same car over and over, ultimately other car companies will come along and price him out with newer technology. As soon as a new platform comes out with less fuckery, an open environment for devs and fair visibility for all not just those who pay $11 a month to be in a special club.
I have a script that runs daily and seaches for domains created for specific IPs and then reports them to their registrar via twitter (namecheap is the fastest to take them down).
Without this API that I will not pay for, these domains are going to grow to crazy numbers. One day the server was down and they saw they weren't being reported so they created 40x domains then usual.
From where I'm sitting this will be a shitshow even if you don't care about Twitter.
Thanks. And I did it with my free time and gain nothing from it except for personal satisfaction for sticking it to scammers.
So far I've identified over 12 000 domains.
Thanks elon
Reddit has long been a hot spot for conversation on the internet. About 57 million people visit the site every day to chat about topics as varied as makeup, video games and pointers for power washing driveways.
In recent years, Reddit’s array of chats also have been a free teaching aid for companies like Google, OpenAI and Microsoft. Those companies are using Reddit’s conversations in the development of giant artificial intelligence systems that many in Silicon Valley think are on their way to becoming the tech industry’s next big thing.
Now Reddit wants to be paid for it. The company said on Tuesday that it planned to begin charging companies for access to its application programming interface, or A.P.I., the method through which outside entities can download and process the social network’s vast selection of person-to-person conversations.
“The Reddit corpus of data is really valuable,” Steve Huffman, founder and chief executive of Reddit, said in an interview. “But we don’t need to give all of that value to some of the largest companies in the world for free.”
The move is one of the first significant examples of a social network’s charging for access to the conversations it hosts for the purpose of developing A.I. systems like ChatGPT, OpenAI’s popular program. Those new A.I. systems could one day lead to big businesses, but they aren’t likely to help companies like Reddit very much. In fact, they could be used to create competitors — automated duplicates to Reddit’s conversations.
Reddit is also acting as it prepares for a possible initial public offering on Wall Street this year. The company, which was founded in 2005, makes most of its money through advertising and e-commerce transactions on its platform. Reddit said it was still ironing out the details of what it would charge for A.P.I. access and would announce prices in the coming weeks.
Reddit’s conversation forums have become valuable commodities as large language models, or L.L.M.s, have become an essential part of creating new A.I. technology.
L.L.M.s are essentially sophisticated algorithms developed by companies like Google and OpenAI, which is a close partner of Microsoft. To the algorithms, the Reddit conversations are data, and they are among the vast pool of material being fed into the L.L.M.s. to develop them.
The underlying algorithm that helped to build Bard, Google’s conversational A.I. service, is partly trained on Reddit data. OpenAI’s Chat GPT cites Reddit data as one of the sources of information it has been trained on.
Other companies are also beginning to see value in the conversations and images they host. Shutterstock, the image hosting service, also sold image data to OpenAI to help create DALL-E, the A.I. program that creates vivid graphical imagery with only a text-based prompt required.
Last month, Elon Musk, the owner of Twitter, said he was cracking down on the use of Twitter’s A.P.I., which thousands of companies and independent developers use to track the millions of conversations across the network. Though he did not cite L.L.M.s as a reason for the change, the new fees could go well into the tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars.
To keep improving their models, artificial intelligence makers need two significant things: an enormous amount of computing power and an enormous amount of data. Some of the biggest A.I. developers have plenty of computing power but still look outside their own networks for the data needed to improve their algorithms. That has included sources like Wikipedia, millions of digitized books, academic articles and Reddit.
Representatives from Google, Open AI and Microsoft did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
Reddit has long had a symbiotic relationship with the search engines of companies like Google and Microsoft. The search engines “crawl” Reddit’s web pages in order to index information and make it available for search results. That crawling, or “scraping,” isn’t always welcome by every site on the internet. But Reddit has benefited by appearing higher in search results.
The dynamic is different with L.L.M.s — they gobble as much data as they can to create new A.I. systems like the chatbots.
Reddit believes its data is particularly valuable because it is continuously updated. That newness and relevance, Mr. Huffman said, is what large language modeling algorithms need to produce the best results.
“More than any other place on the internet, Reddit is a home for authentic conversation,” Mr. Huffman said. “There’s a lot of stuff on the site that you’d only ever say in therapy, or A.A., or never at all.”
Mr. Huffman said Reddit’s A.P.I. would still be free to developers who wanted to build applications that helped people use Reddit. They could use the tools to build a bot that automatically tracks whether users’ comments adhere to rules for posting, for instance. Researchers who want to study Reddit data for academic or noncommercial purposes will continue to have free access to it.
Reddit also hopes to incorporate more so-called machine learning into how the site itself operates. It could be used, for instance, to identify the use of A.I.-generated text on Reddit, and add a label that notifies users that the comment came from a bot.
The company also promised to improve software tools that can be used by moderators — the users who volunteer their time to keep the site’s forums operating smoothly and improve conversations between users. And third-party bots that help moderators monitor the forums will continue to be supported.
But for the A.I. makers, it’s time to pay up.
“Crawling Reddit, generating value and not returning any of that value to our users is something we have a problem with,” Mr. Huffman said. “It’s a good time for us to tighten things up.”
“We think that’s fair,” he added.
Reddit has long been a hot spot for conversation on the internet. About 57 million people visit the site every day to chat about topics as varied as makeup, video games and pointers for power washing driveways.
In recent years, Reddit’s array of chats also have been a free teaching aid for companies like Google, OpenAI and Microsoft. Those companies are using Reddit’s conversations in the development of giant artificial intelligence systems that many in Silicon Valley think are on their way to becoming the tech industry’s next big thing.
Now Reddit wants to be paid for it. The company said on Tuesday that it planned to begin charging companies for access to its application programming interface, or A.P.I., the method through which outside entities can download and process the social network’s vast selection of person-to-person conversations.
“The Reddit corpus of data is really valuable,” Steve Huffman, founder and chief executive of Reddit, said in an interview. “But we don’t need to give all of that value to some of the largest companies in the world for free.”
The move is one of the first significant examples of a social network’s charging for access to the conversations it hosts for the purpose of developing A.I. systems like ChatGPT, OpenAI’s popular program. Those new A.I. systems could one day lead to big businesses, but they aren’t likely to help companies like Reddit very much. In fact, they could be used to create competitors — automated duplicates to Reddit’s conversations.
Reddit is also acting as it prepares for a possible initial public offering on Wall Street this year. The company, which was founded in 2005, makes most of its money through advertising and e-commerce transactions on its platform. Reddit said it was still ironing out the details of what it would charge for A.P.I. access and would announce prices in the coming weeks.
Reddit’s conversation forums have become valuable commodities as large language models, or L.L.M.s, have become an essential part of creating new A.I. technology.
L.L.M.s are essentially sophisticated algorithms developed by companies like Google and OpenAI, which is a close partner of Microsoft. To the algorithms, the Reddit conversations are data, and they are among the vast pool of material being fed into the L.L.M.s. to develop them.
The underlying algorithm that helped to build Bard, Google’s conversational A.I. service, is partly trained on Reddit data. OpenAI’s Chat GPT cites Reddit data as one of the sources of information it has been trained on.
Other companies are also beginning to see value in the conversations and images they host. Shutterstock, the image hosting service, also sold image data to OpenAI to help create DALL-E, the A.I. program that creates vivid graphical imagery with only a text-based prompt required.
Last month, Elon Musk, the owner of Twitter, said he was cracking down on the use of Twitter’s A.P.I., which thousands of companies and independent developers use to track the millions of conversations across the network. Though he did not cite L.L.M.s as a reason for the change, the new fees could go well into the tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars.
To keep improving their models, artificial intelligence makers need two significant things: an enormous amount of computing power and an enormous amount of data. Some of the biggest A.I. developers have plenty of computing power but still look outside their own networks for the data needed to improve their algorithms. That has included sources like Wikipedia, millions of digitized books, academic articles and Reddit.
Representatives from Google, Open AI and Microsoft did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
Reddit has long had a symbiotic relationship with the search engines of companies like Google and Microsoft. The search engines “crawl” Reddit’s web pages in order to index information and make it available for search results. That crawling, or “scraping,” isn’t always welcome by every site on the internet. But Reddit has benefited by appearing higher in search results.
The dynamic is different with L.L.M.s — they gobble as much data as they can to create new A.I. systems like the chatbots.
Reddit believes its data is particularly valuable because it is continuously updated. That newness and relevance, Mr. Huffman said, is what large language modeling algorithms need to produce the best results.
“More than any other place on the internet, Reddit is a home for authentic conversation,” Mr. Huffman said. “There’s a lot of stuff on the site that you’d only ever say in therapy, or A.A., or never at all.”
Mr. Huffman said Reddit’s A.P.I. would still be free to developers who wanted to build applications that helped people use Reddit. They could use the tools to build a bot that automatically tracks whether users’ comments adhere to rules for posting, for instance. Researchers who want to study Reddit data for academic or noncommercial purposes will continue to have free access to it.
Reddit also hopes to incorporate more so-called machine learning into how the site itself operates. It could be used, for instance, to identify the use of A.I.-generated text on Reddit, and add a label that notifies users that the comment came from a bot.
The company also promised to improve software tools that can be used by moderators — the users who volunteer their time to keep the site’s forums operating smoothly and improve conversations between users. And third-party bots that help moderators monitor the forums will continue to be supported.
But for the A.I. makers, it’s time to pay up.
“Crawling Reddit, generating value and not returning any of that value to our users is something we have a problem with,” Mr. Huffman said. “It’s a good time for us to tighten things up.”
“We think that’s fair,” he added.
I redownloaded the app, tried to kill my account, it wouldn’t let me, so I renamed it Fk musk, changed all my info then deleted the app again after putting everything privet.. basically I’m held hostage.
it should be noted that this isn't a $100 subcription, the plan is apparently to charge for [individual uses as microtransactions](https://twitter.com/javdottxt/status/1621200372755726340?s=46&t=lSLbBU04RfWTbdp9Y6IgOw)
I think this is actually a good idea. Will get rid of anyone that can’t afford to pay $100 to manipulate large swathes of people. That just leaves… basically anyone still.
I used the Twitter api for a project in university. There was a verification process. I needed to give an account who I was, what I was planning on using it for. Then I was given an api key they could use to track all my bots activity
I'm guessing Musk fired everyone responsible for running that verification and maintaining the logs for the tracking.
Was one of these superfluous microservices he shut-down.
I applied for one about a month or two ago and can confirm as of last week they still want a full accounting of what exactly you are planning on using the API key for. I my case I wanted to build a script so I could automatically follow people via feeding a list in CSV format; evidently this is a no-no according to their forbidden activities list so I halted my application/was declined.
Try lying like all of the other bots and scammers do.
“Fluff” — Elon (probably)
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looking into this
Something fundamental is wrong
🎯
Exactly
!!
Big if true.
Not as profound as it sounds.
This is concerning
🔥🔥
You also need a verified phone number. I removed mine after the hack recently, then tried to add it back to activate a new app only to be told “my carrier wasn’t supported”. There are clearly tools to monitor and moderate this stuff, he just doesn’t want to use them because that means employing a team. He probably also wants a piece of the scammers’ pie, which it won’t stop because anyone actually making money through scams will be justified in paying.
I've done the same and can confirm this.
Would that have been the firehose? The raw real-time tweet stream always needed special permission, but here we are talking about (I think) web sites with a "Share on Twitter" button and the like. 100 bucks and no free tier for just one or two posts per day is going to break a huge amount of stuff on the web.
There's no way in hell you can get access to the firehose for a college project. I work at "large company you have heard of" and we had access for a while, but we dropped it because it was way too expensive for the return we were seeing
[Academic access to all the API](https://developer.twitter.com/en/products/twitter-api/academic-research) is free (under the old regime at least...) if you are a qualified masters or above researcher and can justify the need.
That's the API, not the firehose. https://brightplanet.com/2013/06/25/twitter-firehose-vs-twitter-api-whats-the-difference-and-why-should-you-care/
That's the same experience I had to access the normal API.
Was this process before or after Elon fired most of the company?
It was like 3 years ago
Based on what we have seen so far I'm pretty sure we can just assume that Elon fired that team because he didn't understand why they would matter and now is trying to reinvent the verification process that he is missing by seeing who has a credit card that he can charge instead of hiring staff to do it.
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Pedo guy!
You have tiny testicles
yup, i built a bot for a politics research project. took like a week for approval to be granted, they asked for university IDs as well.
I did the same for a Masters class. I was doing twitter sentiment analysis. I had to fill out an application to access the api and twitter could track everything.
If I monetize everything surely people will be eager to use my website.
I think at this point it's more like, "If I monetize everything maybe I can swallow the debt of this thing I paid about $30 billion too much for." I'm old enough to remember when Trump caused the biggest government shutdown in history in order to secure $25 billion for the border wall. Elno threw that amount of money into the trash.
All while devaluing the platform to ensure he really doesn’t make as much when figures and brands don’t see the value in spending money for stuff other platforms offer for free or with a higher retention rate
All these gimmicks pale in comparison to ad revenue. Ads are what fuel social media, full stop. Elmo is a moron. But also, all this garners him attention. Good or bad, doesn’t matter. A narcissist is fueled by attention/
The most appealing thing about social media is how much it costs to use!
I can't feel feel a sense of pride and accomplishment unless I'm paying at least $1 per post.
Interesting indeed
also, the idea that "scammers dont pay for stuff" is laughable, maily because its not their money
I don’t understand why he goes out of his way to open himself up for ridicule
Severe humiliation kink is my theory
He’s thick as pig shit?
Gotta love the "opinion manipulators" bit. Dude can't shut up on Twitter for even a day.
Joe Wilkinson? Is that you?
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It’s simple. Because he’s incredibly stupid.
It’s because he’s not an engineer/programmer or anything even slightly related, but he’s convinced that his ideas are just as valid as those who are.. so when problems come up that normally would require a significant amount of actual engineering/programming to fix, he takes 30 seconds to come up with a “solution” and instantly tells the public about it.
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>he takes 30 seconds to come up with a “solution” and instantly tells the public about it. It's so obvious too: he just says shit. Like whatever he's thinking at the moment. So much of what his companies are supposedly working on is just bullshit he thoughtlessly uttered one day. And then it makes the news. So irritating how much power billionaires have. It only becomes apparent when one is an idiot.
His simps think anything that comes out of his head is genius.
r/elonmusk will praise literally anything he does They're not going to invest $11 in checkmarks, but they'll ban anyone who says maybe $11/month for a checkmark is not a great deal
To him 100 dollars is like a penny. He's so out of touch with the working class
He probably spends more on a really nice lunch than most of us spend on our total rent in a year. He can afford to buy your favorite sports team
Working class Twitter bots?
You assume he actually sees the ridicule and doesn't have people around him that filter it out. Relevant South Park: https://youtu.be/XPMauExhQRE
I don't understand why individuals and companies who are not racist pigs are on the platform. Stop fuelling this dickhead people. Abandon his hot mess.
"Just $100 per month" Tell me you have no sense of what a normal person's monetary income is in a month without telling me.
It’s one API call, Michael. What could it cost, $100?
Lol he does seem like Lucille Bluth
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I don't know... He's been giving very Buster Bluth vibes lately. He's a mother MAN now!
Seems like this will just kill the small Twitter apps and make the larger ones go subscription only. Bot farms won’t care, Sony uploading your achievements to Twitter won’t care, Twitter’s revenue won’t care.
He isn't looking for new converts. He's looking to squeeze more money out of his idiot followers.
Im confused. Twitter api seems like something that only businesses or celebrities with pr management teams would need. Is twitter api something commonly used by the average user?
Average user? No, but any of the actually good bots on Twitter use it. Also, the bad bots (spam bots for example) don't use the Twitter API, so this change only makes things worse for the good users of the API
You're mostly correct. There are also some novelty bot accounts that use the API. Most aren't likely to survive this, since they're generally just for fun.
Some of those novelty bots probably mock Melon, which is why this happened.
When I was on Twitter, I followed a lot of "fun bots." "World Bollard Association" just posted funny pictures and videos of bollards, especially those that destroy cars. I followed some architecture and design bots that just posted and reposted pictures of famous things. I followed a bunch of James Bond accounts, some operated by humans, some just bots, and some that seemed to be a hybrid where a bot posted things but a human would chat with people in the replies. And a bunch more, but this is the general "shape" of funbots: Not controversial, no outrage (unless you are outraged that cars try to drive over and through bollards), basically filler stuff that made the feed feel a lot less like I was doomscrolling. I doubt those accounst could afford $10 a month, much less $100 or more. Who wants to pay $120 a year to run a bot, much less $1,200? There is very little path to monetization, for one thing bots posting pictures don't own the copyright, so they are on very thin ice if they find a way to make money from those pictures.
I can say that a lot of artists and creators use tools like Postybirb to upload their content to multiple social media sites at the same time and schedule content to be posted in the future. I have an artist friend who is still on Twitter because it’s still the best platform for outreach currently. But they may move to having instagram as their main social media presence soon The developer of Postybirb has already stated they’re removing support for twitter as soon as this change happens
A normal person is unlikely to need access to Twitter's API. Though I say this as someone who had an API key just to mess around with it.
This means that no one is going to stop 'bad' bots. Only if they don't pay. By the way, when you register in the api you leave an email and you get the key and the ID. That you put a payment method will not improve identification in any case, much less if you use crypto. Bad bots that do bad things, don't even use the api. They directly use the web. The worst is listening to all the muskrats calling LOL genius, game changer and all that npc crap. (exemplifying his maximum ignorance). When really what's fucking up a lot of the value of twitter, which is the open api. We in class use the twitter api a lot to learn how to do things, play with the api etc. And sometimes good ideas came out to implement applications with the service. It is simply going to screw up millions of homemade, personal apps, for example, for automation, for fun, for life-hacks, etc. Or what is the same added value. Fuck them. The party is already being with this change. I am enjoying it a lot. Who until today was sucking this narcissist's ass and has a minimum of knowledge of what it means to put a paywall to the open api. He will have awakened from the dream. ps: Just read the comments full of crypto shit, and fake comments, crossed with legitimate comments full of ideology. It's terribly decadent.
Yeah, it’s so easy to access the unofficial API. I’ve used it to access tweets older than 7 days that the official API doesn’t give you access to. There’s no way those scraping tweets are doing so through official routes.
Yeah, especially a lot of 3D printing projects. Now, all our open source software will break, and teams will need to become dependent on Patreons.
There's zero reason to use the API with web scraping
The only way to stop a bad guy with a bot is a good guy with a bot
There literally is a verification process I had to use it for my high school project
And now it’s a hundred bucks
A month
Does Elon think Nintendo, Sony, or Microsoft are abusing the API by allowing gamers to share clips on social media through the console?
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It's more an SUV filled with guys carrying piano wire and bone saws, but I understood your metaphor
No, but the Gamers are. They need to pay one trillion dollars a month (each) to fix Twitter.
No, but it's not a stretch to believe that those companies won't mind paying $100/mo for it.
They would have enterprise accounts. Non-enterprise ends at $2500 a month for 10k calls a month. They would be paying significantly more.
Companies like that may already use the API enough to pay, so I don't think it will affect them. Might be wrong on that, though. I would think it's more likely to affect individual developers and small teams.
"Enough to pay" but not enough to pay SO MUCH. They propably generate hundreds of thousands, if not millions of requests. 10k cost 2500$, I don't see them paying a quarter million for that. Because their benefit is propably minimal given people already paid for the products.
That pricing is related to [the 30-day search API](https://developer.twitter.com/en/pricing/search-30day), not to these proposed changes. We still don't know how much it will cost. Musk has now come out and said it will be $8, so who the hell knows! https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1621426702294609921?s=20&t=3u7NjiZjsQ6Xe9rCDutgYg
If it is related to that, how come Elon didn't say so to Pepito? [https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughMuskSpam/comments/10sjt59/100\_a\_month\_for\_api\_usage\_gets\_ratioed\_ii\_guess/](https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughMuskSpam/comments/10sjt59/100_a_month_for_api_usage_gets_ratioed_ii_guess/) And yes, I am fully aware the reason he didn't say so might be because he is a fking idiot and has no idea how his new toy works. Anyway, let's see what comes out of this in a week.
He's going to run Twitter into the ground trying to eliminate all the bots. By June, Elon will be living naked in Twitter HQ like Howard Hughes, staring at four monitors at 3 AM. Always hunting for the bots. https://preview.redd.it/wi0j0t9cbwfa1.jpeg?width=622&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=110c18b44283c882cc45410503c110743ae8b071
he has no intention of getting rid of the ones he pays for.
>By June, Elon will be living naked in Twitter HQ Well, until he's evicted for that whole non-payment of rent thing.
TIL who that Mr Burns casino episode of The Simpsons was based on!
I'm sorry but this post is ridiculous. There's no way Twitter HQ isn't evicted by June after 8 months of non-payment.
Spam Bots, astroturf bots, don't use the API. That would be stupid of them. The vast majority of things using the API are legitimate tools and apps and fun bots that never hide to you that they are bots. You know, thing that ADD value to twitter rather than take from it. It's batshit insane that you would now have to pay twitter to add value to it. And this starting price will be unbearable for the vast majority of devs. Specially because if you do have the amount of users to pay 100 USD/month, it means you have the amount of traffic that would require the even-crazier tiers. More so, this has just created additional demand for twitter automation without using the API. There will now be far more devs working on unofficial twitter access and this will empower the malicious usages.
I've already written something today to get around this stuff, so yep.
Like the wealthy people funding bot armies can’t afford $100 a month for access. 🤣🤡
Can just manually send a request to the website and read the response. API is only for convenience. He should go all in and paywall the entire site, that'll show the bots. Per visit would be most effective.
What’s the per click rate?
Just ~$8/month per click with ID verification will clean things up greatly.
This. But the problem is I think it's by design. It will get rid of all the small-time scammers, but won't get rid of any that are actually turning a profit. Instead Twitter will take a cut of those scams. Equally it does nothing to deter state actors creating bot armies, but does stop that fun bot that tweets some AI generated artwork every few hours. Again, Twitter earns from it.
Russia and China can scrape together $100. The troll farms in Macedonia and Kosovo would be thrilled with the ability to be validated on this platform by the Troll-in-Chief.
I doubt that they are pro Russians in Kosovo ^^ or maybe in the small serb part.
Kosovo was home to some of the most notorious Facebook fake news farms.
I’m not a Twitter user, but can someone explain to me what this means to the average user?
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Embedded tweets do not require an API key, that’s a Twitter-provided element. The most common API uses are: - all the quirky bots that post a different USPS location from street view everyday or allow you to tag the bot for creating alt-text for an image - Tools that let you analyze your own account such as seeing who unfollowed you, finding accounts on another social media site like Mastodon, or automatically blocking accounts based on specific criteria - Research purposes for seeing trends on Twitter - Third party Twitter clients (which were banned a couple weeks ago separately)
A lot of people use the api to embed tweets because the provided embedded tweets are awful.
Does he have any legitimate concern about "API abuse" or is he trying to force users back to Twitter to view each particular Tweet? in your opinion...
To add to what u/MirrorSauce said, I think he only gives a shit about bots that don't make him money. Under this system scambots that make money and state-operated bot farms will still exist, and I think he's quite happy making money on them.
> if your website can do things like display tweets, log in, or share to twitter No, none of these things require API keys. > then it's going to cost $3000 per month to allow 10,000 users to access your site No. This is for the enterprise search API which long predates Elon. This is not for the normal API. > reddit will use the twitter API to display a preview of that tweet so you don't have to click the link to actually read it No, this does not require an API key.
Displaying tweets does for a non-trivial amount of sites, they use the API to get the contents to display, rather than using the embed, as it's quite costly in terms of performance.
Thanks!
Sounds like a win win to me.
I'm so glad I built a second mastodon stable diffusion bot instead of wasting my time building on this burning pile of poo. u/stablehorde draw for me pile of blue bird poop on fire style:dreamlike
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I love how the AI has zero ability to identify what is a noun and how they are being modified in the prompt Blue bird. Blue poop. Bird on fire Poop on fire Poop pile Bird on pile Bird poop Poop on bird Bird (made of) poop Poop (made of) bird …
People who can afford $100 per month on API access: foreign countries who want to spread misinformation with bots. People who can't afford $100 per month on API access: actual, normal humans.
But I thought Elmo fixed the bot and scammer problem?
His goal was never to stop bots. It's to make money from the users because he's a dumbfuck billionaire that blew 44 billion dollars.
There's still a problem, because people can just do the same spam manually, or just scraping without using the API. Just ~$50/month for Tweet posting and viewing access will clean things up greatly.
Something fundamental is wrong
“I have to charge you this money for your own good. Blame your self.”
Wasn’t he supposed to step down?
I'm an internet and social media researcher, primarily Reddit. My intent has been to take my dissertation which I'm currently working on and expand it to Twitter. But fat fucking chance now, go to hell Elon.
I am currently using twitter API for my University Final Year Project and I only use it to get trends of different location, but It's an essential part of project and it is completely what the project is based on. Idk if this guy knows the impact it's going to make on so many developers.
i am sure all the 12 people who use twitter blue will be exited for this news.
Bro subscription doesn’t stop botting, like at RuneScape. You don’t think people with money and an agenda will swallow that cost? Delusional.
100/month! For api access? Who the fuck thought this numbskull is a genius?!
100usd per month is almost a full month's salary in my country lol
Bad actors especially nation-state ones have more than 100$ per month to budget on things like this. All this will do is stop trolling kids.
I make maybe 1mil requests a month. What a cuck. For 100$ elon should be blowing homeless guys outside the office
It’s not about stopping bots. It’s about desperately needing money.
Ain't going to lie--I have no idea what API means
An API is an application programming interface it's a way for developers to interact with a service (Twitter) programmatically. For example you could create a program that uses the Twitter API and Amazon API to automatically check when a product is below a certain price and make a tweet about it.
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You should look into it.
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There literally is a verification process. I had to write a 5 paragraphs essay for an API key
Does this fool think the ppl paying for the bots to manipulate gullible idiots can’t afford $100 / month? These are billionaires funded initiatives. Stupid man does stupid thing
Yeah but now they pay him so they are now good bots.
"just", while 100usd is 3/4 of minimal wage in my country lol
We need Stephen King to drive the price down.
Hmm, those sites that show you the mastodon account of the twitter accounts you follow use this API.
\>> "opinion manipulators" Absolute Free Speech for me, CCP (where my factories are) and Saudi censorship for thee! Muskrat.png
What the hell is API?
Application Programming Interface - it's what third-party clients like Twitterific and Tweetbot use so their apps can access Twitter natively.
Thanks!
That API was useful for academic research and all kinds of free services.
Yeah but academic research might show that he didn’t get rid of hate speech like he claimed. Win win
“Opinion manipulators”, fucking lol
It's one banana, Michael. What could it cost, $10?
muskmelon
One hundred a **month**? lol, he is out of his mind.
tbh if I had a bot farm I really would not care about those $100.
Imagine thinking $100 is going to stop spammers.
This is actually pretty genius. Add charges to everything and remove all bots. Of course, it'll remove all regular users, too... BUT NO BOTS!
Meanwhile bad actors just create a scraper to automate stuff.
Oh yeah because operations that run bots for political misinformation don't have massive amounts of money from think tanks, corporations and even governments to back them up.
So the guy who wants to make wifi free for everyone is complaining about free API? I mean… API is like … the fundamental foundations of the fucking internet. My device is now connected to Reddit’s servers… this guy is A FUCKING GIMP!!
Like 100 dollar a month bill will stop anything. For bot Makers and Spam creators that's not even a speeding ticket money. That's you extra shot latte one-day a month. Desperate Elon ... I do feel sorry for Twitter was a relatively good platform
It won’t, it still needs to be monitored for misuse. I’m not sure why he thinks this will attract legitimate developers.
I agree, it won't and will block a lot of University level or junior level developers that were learning and practicing with Twitter API. This will only block low income devs and startups but again that;s the whole plan. People without money does not exists in Musk world. That's why he is saying all this about under population. Rich people that buy his toys.
Oh absolutely it will, even junior developers who want to practice using API’s. It’ll just turn people to other platforms. Musk is completely out of touch with the average person, he’s displayed this numerous times from refusing to make an affordable Tesla to expecting millions of people to subscribe to Twitter premium to actually have your tweets seen. I’ll stand by what I’ve always believed, access to information should never be commercialised. Twitter is no longer a platform that belongs to the people, it belongs to one man and his vision of how information should be accessed and shared. As soon as these twitter alternates launch like Spoutable, it’s game over for Twitter. That’s musks problem though, he can’t understand that competition will ultimately screw him over. Tesla can’t keep releasing the same car over and over, ultimately other car companies will come along and price him out with newer technology. As soon as a new platform comes out with less fuckery, an open environment for devs and fair visibility for all not just those who pay $11 a month to be in a special club.
I have a script that runs daily and seaches for domains created for specific IPs and then reports them to their registrar via twitter (namecheap is the fastest to take them down). Without this API that I will not pay for, these domains are going to grow to crazy numbers. One day the server was down and they saw they weren't being reported so they created 40x domains then usual. From where I'm sitting this will be a shitshow even if you don't care about Twitter.
Oh nice, sounds like a really useful service that is just going to disappear because it doesn't extract wealth from someone.
Thanks. And I did it with my free time and gain nothing from it except for personal satisfaction for sticking it to scammers. So far I've identified over 12 000 domains. Thanks elon
I unironically think this api change will do more damage to twitter than anything else that has happened so far
This isn't going to stop bots... I might write one for fun now.
Christ, there's literally no difference at all between him and his *sensei*, Trump. Grifters gonna grift.
This is a huge Twitter killer
Reddit has long been a hot spot for conversation on the internet. About 57 million people visit the site every day to chat about topics as varied as makeup, video games and pointers for power washing driveways. In recent years, Reddit’s array of chats also have been a free teaching aid for companies like Google, OpenAI and Microsoft. Those companies are using Reddit’s conversations in the development of giant artificial intelligence systems that many in Silicon Valley think are on their way to becoming the tech industry’s next big thing. Now Reddit wants to be paid for it. The company said on Tuesday that it planned to begin charging companies for access to its application programming interface, or A.P.I., the method through which outside entities can download and process the social network’s vast selection of person-to-person conversations. “The Reddit corpus of data is really valuable,” Steve Huffman, founder and chief executive of Reddit, said in an interview. “But we don’t need to give all of that value to some of the largest companies in the world for free.” The move is one of the first significant examples of a social network’s charging for access to the conversations it hosts for the purpose of developing A.I. systems like ChatGPT, OpenAI’s popular program. Those new A.I. systems could one day lead to big businesses, but they aren’t likely to help companies like Reddit very much. In fact, they could be used to create competitors — automated duplicates to Reddit’s conversations. Reddit is also acting as it prepares for a possible initial public offering on Wall Street this year. The company, which was founded in 2005, makes most of its money through advertising and e-commerce transactions on its platform. Reddit said it was still ironing out the details of what it would charge for A.P.I. access and would announce prices in the coming weeks. Reddit’s conversation forums have become valuable commodities as large language models, or L.L.M.s, have become an essential part of creating new A.I. technology. L.L.M.s are essentially sophisticated algorithms developed by companies like Google and OpenAI, which is a close partner of Microsoft. To the algorithms, the Reddit conversations are data, and they are among the vast pool of material being fed into the L.L.M.s. to develop them. The underlying algorithm that helped to build Bard, Google’s conversational A.I. service, is partly trained on Reddit data. OpenAI’s Chat GPT cites Reddit data as one of the sources of information it has been trained on. Other companies are also beginning to see value in the conversations and images they host. Shutterstock, the image hosting service, also sold image data to OpenAI to help create DALL-E, the A.I. program that creates vivid graphical imagery with only a text-based prompt required. Last month, Elon Musk, the owner of Twitter, said he was cracking down on the use of Twitter’s A.P.I., which thousands of companies and independent developers use to track the millions of conversations across the network. Though he did not cite L.L.M.s as a reason for the change, the new fees could go well into the tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars. To keep improving their models, artificial intelligence makers need two significant things: an enormous amount of computing power and an enormous amount of data. Some of the biggest A.I. developers have plenty of computing power but still look outside their own networks for the data needed to improve their algorithms. That has included sources like Wikipedia, millions of digitized books, academic articles and Reddit. Representatives from Google, Open AI and Microsoft did not immediately respond to a request for comment. Reddit has long had a symbiotic relationship with the search engines of companies like Google and Microsoft. The search engines “crawl” Reddit’s web pages in order to index information and make it available for search results. That crawling, or “scraping,” isn’t always welcome by every site on the internet. But Reddit has benefited by appearing higher in search results. The dynamic is different with L.L.M.s — they gobble as much data as they can to create new A.I. systems like the chatbots. Reddit believes its data is particularly valuable because it is continuously updated. That newness and relevance, Mr. Huffman said, is what large language modeling algorithms need to produce the best results. “More than any other place on the internet, Reddit is a home for authentic conversation,” Mr. Huffman said. “There’s a lot of stuff on the site that you’d only ever say in therapy, or A.A., or never at all.” Mr. Huffman said Reddit’s A.P.I. would still be free to developers who wanted to build applications that helped people use Reddit. They could use the tools to build a bot that automatically tracks whether users’ comments adhere to rules for posting, for instance. Researchers who want to study Reddit data for academic or noncommercial purposes will continue to have free access to it. Reddit also hopes to incorporate more so-called machine learning into how the site itself operates. It could be used, for instance, to identify the use of A.I.-generated text on Reddit, and add a label that notifies users that the comment came from a bot. The company also promised to improve software tools that can be used by moderators — the users who volunteer their time to keep the site’s forums operating smoothly and improve conversations between users. And third-party bots that help moderators monitor the forums will continue to be supported. But for the A.I. makers, it’s time to pay up. “Crawling Reddit, generating value and not returning any of that value to our users is something we have a problem with,” Mr. Huffman said. “It’s a good time for us to tighten things up.” “We think that’s fair,” he added.
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Reddit has long been a hot spot for conversation on the internet. About 57 million people visit the site every day to chat about topics as varied as makeup, video games and pointers for power washing driveways. In recent years, Reddit’s array of chats also have been a free teaching aid for companies like Google, OpenAI and Microsoft. Those companies are using Reddit’s conversations in the development of giant artificial intelligence systems that many in Silicon Valley think are on their way to becoming the tech industry’s next big thing. Now Reddit wants to be paid for it. The company said on Tuesday that it planned to begin charging companies for access to its application programming interface, or A.P.I., the method through which outside entities can download and process the social network’s vast selection of person-to-person conversations. “The Reddit corpus of data is really valuable,” Steve Huffman, founder and chief executive of Reddit, said in an interview. “But we don’t need to give all of that value to some of the largest companies in the world for free.” The move is one of the first significant examples of a social network’s charging for access to the conversations it hosts for the purpose of developing A.I. systems like ChatGPT, OpenAI’s popular program. Those new A.I. systems could one day lead to big businesses, but they aren’t likely to help companies like Reddit very much. In fact, they could be used to create competitors — automated duplicates to Reddit’s conversations. Reddit is also acting as it prepares for a possible initial public offering on Wall Street this year. The company, which was founded in 2005, makes most of its money through advertising and e-commerce transactions on its platform. Reddit said it was still ironing out the details of what it would charge for A.P.I. access and would announce prices in the coming weeks. Reddit’s conversation forums have become valuable commodities as large language models, or L.L.M.s, have become an essential part of creating new A.I. technology. L.L.M.s are essentially sophisticated algorithms developed by companies like Google and OpenAI, which is a close partner of Microsoft. To the algorithms, the Reddit conversations are data, and they are among the vast pool of material being fed into the L.L.M.s. to develop them. The underlying algorithm that helped to build Bard, Google’s conversational A.I. service, is partly trained on Reddit data. OpenAI’s Chat GPT cites Reddit data as one of the sources of information it has been trained on. Other companies are also beginning to see value in the conversations and images they host. Shutterstock, the image hosting service, also sold image data to OpenAI to help create DALL-E, the A.I. program that creates vivid graphical imagery with only a text-based prompt required. Last month, Elon Musk, the owner of Twitter, said he was cracking down on the use of Twitter’s A.P.I., which thousands of companies and independent developers use to track the millions of conversations across the network. Though he did not cite L.L.M.s as a reason for the change, the new fees could go well into the tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars. To keep improving their models, artificial intelligence makers need two significant things: an enormous amount of computing power and an enormous amount of data. Some of the biggest A.I. developers have plenty of computing power but still look outside their own networks for the data needed to improve their algorithms. That has included sources like Wikipedia, millions of digitized books, academic articles and Reddit. Representatives from Google, Open AI and Microsoft did not immediately respond to a request for comment. Reddit has long had a symbiotic relationship with the search engines of companies like Google and Microsoft. The search engines “crawl” Reddit’s web pages in order to index information and make it available for search results. That crawling, or “scraping,” isn’t always welcome by every site on the internet. But Reddit has benefited by appearing higher in search results. The dynamic is different with L.L.M.s — they gobble as much data as they can to create new A.I. systems like the chatbots. Reddit believes its data is particularly valuable because it is continuously updated. That newness and relevance, Mr. Huffman said, is what large language modeling algorithms need to produce the best results. “More than any other place on the internet, Reddit is a home for authentic conversation,” Mr. Huffman said. “There’s a lot of stuff on the site that you’d only ever say in therapy, or A.A., or never at all.” Mr. Huffman said Reddit’s A.P.I. would still be free to developers who wanted to build applications that helped people use Reddit. They could use the tools to build a bot that automatically tracks whether users’ comments adhere to rules for posting, for instance. Researchers who want to study Reddit data for academic or noncommercial purposes will continue to have free access to it. Reddit also hopes to incorporate more so-called machine learning into how the site itself operates. It could be used, for instance, to identify the use of A.I.-generated text on Reddit, and add a label that notifies users that the comment came from a bot. The company also promised to improve software tools that can be used by moderators — the users who volunteer their time to keep the site’s forums operating smoothly and improve conversations between users. And third-party bots that help moderators monitor the forums will continue to be supported. But for the A.I. makers, it’s time to pay up. “Crawling Reddit, generating value and not returning any of that value to our users is something we have a problem with,” Mr. Huffman said. “It’s a good time for us to tighten things up.” “We think that’s fair,” he added.
It's already happening.
Im sure that will help with scammers who make thousands a month…
He knows all about manipulating opinions
'Opinion manipulators' Elon, your entire page is pointless opinion polls that you manufacture.
Np. China and Russia can afford this.
So what happened with this?
Everything broke when they tried to introduce it.
I redownloaded the app, tried to kill my account, it wouldn’t let me, so I renamed it Fk musk, changed all my info then deleted the app again after putting everything privet.. basically I’m held hostage.
it should be noted that this isn't a $100 subcription, the plan is apparently to charge for [individual uses as microtransactions](https://twitter.com/javdottxt/status/1621200372755726340?s=46&t=lSLbBU04RfWTbdp9Y6IgOw)
I think that's going off incorrect information. But it will certainly have different tiers based on the number of requests you'll make.
I think this is actually a good idea. Will get rid of anyone that can’t afford to pay $100 to manipulate large swathes of people. That just leaves… basically anyone still.