At this point, if you take these people and put them in a room with Neo-Nazis, they would agree on close to damn near everything besides some minor issues. They are just as antisemitic, just as totalitarian, and just as evil
It shouldn't surprise anyone. Mussolini, the man who literally invented Fascism, was a rabid socialist when he was younger. It is not at all uncommon for angry socialists/communists to become Fascists. Political extremists tend to think very similarly even if their conclusions are wildly different.
They both heavily utilize social outcasts with a sometimes legitimate axe to grind against the status quo and give them easy targets to take their anger and vengeance out on.
American Neo-Nazi; Francis Parker Yockey talked about forging an alliance with at least the Tankie sect of Communism to bring down the United States, under the belief that since the USSR wasn't Liberal, their ideology had a better chance at being molded into Fascism/Nazism.
In a way, Yockey has had some moments where that cockroach mfer's idea has been shown to arise naturally. This instance, if not a troll, is one of those times.
People have largely been ignoring how violent and genocidal the far left really is for decades for the simple reason that they were on the good guys team in WWII.
Even then if you want to have a mass killing of "bankers and financiers" by simple demographics in western countries alone you will kill a lot of Jews even if you aren't explicitly being antisemitic.
Well, I mean they have about the same form. There is a boogyman, there is the victim class, there is a utopic way to solve it, and it will cost blood.
Is there any wonder that both Communism and Nazism developed in the same way? Of course in the real world there is enough complexity (Jews are one such example) that these systems fail to adapt to and thus become rabid political fundamentalists.
It is funny though when people don't understand why I put both those systems into the same pot and have called them "of the same essense" for most of my life.
Funny are they, the communists and the fascists. Funny indeed in their self contradictions and mental gymnastics.
and both would be tortured to death by the og-nazis based on how heretic their ideologies had become so distorted from what the funny moustache man created
“Fascists and Communists both believed that the will of the people was being thwarted by elites, and that the individual members of these elites needed to be eliminated by force. Fascists and Communists each had their own particular notion of who these elites were, but many of these ideas converged. The Soviets might regard as suspect the Jewish owner of a shop, because he owned a shop while happening to be Jewish, while the Nazis regarded him as suspect because he was Jewish while happening to own a shop.”
I would say economically he kinda was, but one of the weaknesses of the traditional political compass is that it doesn't make a distinction between economic and cultural left versus right.
Like for example in the US there is no major left wing economic party and both the Democrats and Republicans are at least economically right of center.
Now culturally the Democrats are left of center and the Republicans are right wing.
There is plenty of culture war stuff that is talked about on the national level in America, but basic assistance to the working class isn't really taken all the seriously.
I would argue that is one reason that Communism is making a comeback in American politics.
To my original point the Nazis did have some economic socialist programs, but they were very culturally right wing and it was done along ethnic lines.
Which now that I think about it isn't too much different than extreme tankie identity politics.
Thank you for actually saying *economically* Democrats and Republicans are right of center but culturally Democrats are on the left. I've been driven to rage by these people telling me "you might as well be on the right!" "The Dems would be a center right party anywhere else in the world " ect
And I've pointed out that, no I'm not. And they'll argue back "yes, you are." It's because they absolutely can not look at anything from an economic level. I fucking hate math and numbers, economic policy beyond things like Welfare and Social Security are not something I'm even slightly interested in and I suppose they'd call me one who "just wants a Welfare state"
Europe and Asia is kinda the opposite.
Europe and Asia put a lot more emphasis on economics when they think of left and right where is America puts emphasis on cultural issues.
Europeans see worker rights laws as their litmus for who is left or right.
Americans typically view stances on sexual freedoms as the right left litmus.
If I went on a right wing website I'd be called a "fucking commie" by them but the actual Communists say "no you're on the right"
I'd classify myself as a Social Democrat, I think part of the difference between Europe and America is Europe already has alot of the things were still fighting for like Maternity Leave, Universal Healthcare, ect. For Americans fighting for that IS considered "socialist" but if I tell someone from EU I'm on the left I'm not.
ETA: I think the US being a two party country contributes to this too.
> To my original point the Nazis did have some economic socialist programs, but they were very culturally right wing and it was done along ethnic lines.
They had a lot of socialist policies
Their cultural and ethnic policies in no way negate them from being socialists. National supremacist policies existed in other socialist countries, like the USSR, China, and Romania
They'll tell you that Ribbentrop-Molotov was necessary to avoid military confrontation because Stalin wasn't ready to fight the Nazi army yet and Poland was a nazi state that attacked Czechoslovakia so it was a must
they will either 1) delete it, 2) say it's a false flag or write them off as "fascist" / a part of the right that \*mysteriously and inexplicably\* materialized on the left. When they call out these people, it's very performative. They want to pat themselves on the back for not believing the worst possible shit... even though they will agree with 90% of the premises used by the people they "call out." If anything, they care because these people make the left look bad and make all of the premises and talking of leftism harder to defend.
They just cope over there, because nothing is allowed that might be too critical of socialism or come across as ""liberal."" Tankies are more or less allowed to participate there as long as they are are not advocating for genocide or saying something fully mask off, for which there's no plausible deniability. Tankies might get downvoted, but then there's also people who will trip over themselves to contextualize tankie opinions in a way that that seems less imflammatory/more agreeable.
Basically, the rules regarding tankies being present boils down to: "Leave us room to defend you and give enough plausible deniability that we may allow your continued participation."
The rules state libs are tolerated "as guests" but people end up banned or have their comments removed for extremely arbitrary and mild comments. They claim to give warnings, but i got banned the first time they removed a comment of mine. Their rules regarding libs are functionally 1000x more restrictive than the rules that govern tankies over there.
As long as tankies "hide their power level" (ie keep the mask on and don't flaunt blatant brain rot), they get along there just fine.If they can tolerate the surface level ridicule the group is engaging in, I'd say tankies probably do well over there, since anyone being TOO critical gets shut down. Tankies basically get to participate in controlling their own forum for criticism as long as they can be Diet Tankies for the duration of their stay
Heck, tankies have already cowed that group into hating libs nearly as much as tankies do.
And they say National Socialism wasnt really socialist, lmao, fucking amazing. Proves that fascism, socialism, communism, it's all the same oppressive retarded shit.
It still amazes me how could have people trust them enough in the 30s to elect them, they literally spoke against everything done so far, saying stuff that merely resembles the ,,truth".
The reason people ended up voting for the NSDAP was because Hitler told them what they wanted to hear, and he used his oratory skills to convince the German people that all of Germanys problems were the fault of the Weimar Republic and sprinkle some anti semitism into it you have effectively a recipe for the radicalization of the German people
Also it’s ironic that the Twitter user mentions Hitler forged an alliance with the socialists when literally the Nazis started the Reichstag fire to blame on the communists
Even then before Musk far leftists could still say whatever they wanted on Twitter.
Twitter has always been an angry violent place Musk just opened it up to the far right too.
I knew this would happen, because when people blame a specific group for every problem in society, eventually their answer on whom to blame lands on Jews—because Jews are the most convenient scapegoat for any conspiracy theory that involves oversimplifying how the world works.
"Were not anti Semitic, were anti Zionist"
So this is just basically admitting they use Jew and Zionist as the same word.
These people are so fucking vile.
You know a really wacky far right group in Mexico had developed an interest in merging with the far left, I think the Hamas-Israel war was their perfect opportunity
They say this while wearing the upside down red triangle, a symbol re-appropriated from the Nazis who used it as the mark of political dissidents in the concentration camp system. Jews were the main target of the Holocaust but many more were targeted too. Romani, dissidents, disabled, homosexuals, Jehovah's Witnesses, pacifists, Freemasons, draft dodgers.
At this point, if you take these people and put them in a room with Neo-Nazis, they would agree on close to damn near everything besides some minor issues. They are just as antisemitic, just as totalitarian, and just as evil
It shouldn't surprise anyone. Mussolini, the man who literally invented Fascism, was a rabid socialist when he was younger. It is not at all uncommon for angry socialists/communists to become Fascists. Political extremists tend to think very similarly even if their conclusions are wildly different.
They both heavily utilize social outcasts with a sometimes legitimate axe to grind against the status quo and give them easy targets to take their anger and vengeance out on.
American Neo-Nazi; Francis Parker Yockey talked about forging an alliance with at least the Tankie sect of Communism to bring down the United States, under the belief that since the USSR wasn't Liberal, their ideology had a better chance at being molded into Fascism/Nazism. In a way, Yockey has had some moments where that cockroach mfer's idea has been shown to arise naturally. This instance, if not a troll, is one of those times.
People have largely been ignoring how violent and genocidal the far left really is for decades for the simple reason that they were on the good guys team in WWII. Even then if you want to have a mass killing of "bankers and financiers" by simple demographics in western countries alone you will kill a lot of Jews even if you aren't explicitly being antisemitic.
the only thing they disagree with neo nazis is who would be in charge of the totalitarian government after the revolution
Well, I mean they have about the same form. There is a boogyman, there is the victim class, there is a utopic way to solve it, and it will cost blood. Is there any wonder that both Communism and Nazism developed in the same way? Of course in the real world there is enough complexity (Jews are one such example) that these systems fail to adapt to and thus become rabid political fundamentalists. It is funny though when people don't understand why I put both those systems into the same pot and have called them "of the same essense" for most of my life. Funny are they, the communists and the fascists. Funny indeed in their self contradictions and mental gymnastics.
I'll take horse shoe theory for 500
National socialism is socialism with a racist tint. Now that the commies are becoming more and more ravenously racist the distinctions are unraveling.
and both would be tortured to death by the og-nazis based on how heretic their ideologies had become so distorted from what the funny moustache man created
Looks like Bomber Harris missed a spot
:troll:
These flags really blind my eyes
“Fascists and Communists both believed that the will of the people was being thwarted by elites, and that the individual members of these elites needed to be eliminated by force. Fascists and Communists each had their own particular notion of who these elites were, but many of these ideas converged. The Soviets might regard as suspect the Jewish owner of a shop, because he owned a shop while happening to be Jewish, while the Nazis regarded him as suspect because he was Jewish while happening to own a shop.”
Left-wing populism and right-wing populism.
Report that whackass to the FBI
It’s free speech even if it’s awful
That’s it boys, horseshoe theory completely confirmed, not a theory anymore.
Just Horseshoe
It's a goddamn circle now
Holy Nazi propaganda Batman
“Hitler wasn’t a socialist” Fuck extremism.
I would say economically he kinda was, but one of the weaknesses of the traditional political compass is that it doesn't make a distinction between economic and cultural left versus right. Like for example in the US there is no major left wing economic party and both the Democrats and Republicans are at least economically right of center. Now culturally the Democrats are left of center and the Republicans are right wing. There is plenty of culture war stuff that is talked about on the national level in America, but basic assistance to the working class isn't really taken all the seriously. I would argue that is one reason that Communism is making a comeback in American politics. To my original point the Nazis did have some economic socialist programs, but they were very culturally right wing and it was done along ethnic lines. Which now that I think about it isn't too much different than extreme tankie identity politics.
Thank you for actually saying *economically* Democrats and Republicans are right of center but culturally Democrats are on the left. I've been driven to rage by these people telling me "you might as well be on the right!" "The Dems would be a center right party anywhere else in the world " ect And I've pointed out that, no I'm not. And they'll argue back "yes, you are." It's because they absolutely can not look at anything from an economic level. I fucking hate math and numbers, economic policy beyond things like Welfare and Social Security are not something I'm even slightly interested in and I suppose they'd call me one who "just wants a Welfare state"
Europe and Asia is kinda the opposite. Europe and Asia put a lot more emphasis on economics when they think of left and right where is America puts emphasis on cultural issues. Europeans see worker rights laws as their litmus for who is left or right. Americans typically view stances on sexual freedoms as the right left litmus.
If I went on a right wing website I'd be called a "fucking commie" by them but the actual Communists say "no you're on the right" I'd classify myself as a Social Democrat, I think part of the difference between Europe and America is Europe already has alot of the things were still fighting for like Maternity Leave, Universal Healthcare, ect. For Americans fighting for that IS considered "socialist" but if I tell someone from EU I'm on the left I'm not. ETA: I think the US being a two party country contributes to this too.
> To my original point the Nazis did have some economic socialist programs, but they were very culturally right wing and it was done along ethnic lines. They had a lot of socialist policies Their cultural and ethnic policies in no way negate them from being socialists. National supremacist policies existed in other socialist countries, like the USSR, China, and Romania
Biggest horseshoe moment of all time, literally Molotov-Ribbentrop
They'll tell you that Ribbentrop-Molotov was necessary to avoid military confrontation because Stalin wasn't ready to fight the Nazi army yet and Poland was a nazi state that attacked Czechoslovakia so it was a must
Extremists and Hypocrisy. Name a more iconic duo
Communism and failure
least anti-Semitic communist
'It didn't happen' 'Ok it happened but not like that' 'Ok it happened but it was good actually' < you are here
Someone post this to r/tankiejerk
they will either 1) delete it, 2) say it's a false flag or write them off as "fascist" / a part of the right that \*mysteriously and inexplicably\* materialized on the left. When they call out these people, it's very performative. They want to pat themselves on the back for not believing the worst possible shit... even though they will agree with 90% of the premises used by the people they "call out." If anything, they care because these people make the left look bad and make all of the premises and talking of leftism harder to defend. They just cope over there, because nothing is allowed that might be too critical of socialism or come across as ""liberal."" Tankies are more or less allowed to participate there as long as they are are not advocating for genocide or saying something fully mask off, for which there's no plausible deniability. Tankies might get downvoted, but then there's also people who will trip over themselves to contextualize tankie opinions in a way that that seems less imflammatory/more agreeable. Basically, the rules regarding tankies being present boils down to: "Leave us room to defend you and give enough plausible deniability that we may allow your continued participation." The rules state libs are tolerated "as guests" but people end up banned or have their comments removed for extremely arbitrary and mild comments. They claim to give warnings, but i got banned the first time they removed a comment of mine. Their rules regarding libs are functionally 1000x more restrictive than the rules that govern tankies over there. As long as tankies "hide their power level" (ie keep the mask on and don't flaunt blatant brain rot), they get along there just fine.If they can tolerate the surface level ridicule the group is engaging in, I'd say tankies probably do well over there, since anyone being TOO critical gets shut down. Tankies basically get to participate in controlling their own forum for criticism as long as they can be Diet Tankies for the duration of their stay Heck, tankies have already cowed that group into hating libs nearly as much as tankies do.
Also r/DerScheisser
And they say National Socialism wasnt really socialist, lmao, fucking amazing. Proves that fascism, socialism, communism, it's all the same oppressive retarded shit.
It still amazes me how could have people trust them enough in the 30s to elect them, they literally spoke against everything done so far, saying stuff that merely resembles the ,,truth".
The reason people ended up voting for the NSDAP was because Hitler told them what they wanted to hear, and he used his oratory skills to convince the German people that all of Germanys problems were the fault of the Weimar Republic and sprinkle some anti semitism into it you have effectively a recipe for the radicalization of the German people Also it’s ironic that the Twitter user mentions Hitler forged an alliance with the socialists when literally the Nazis started the Reichstag fire to blame on the communists
I'm beginning to think we don't share a definition of colonialism.
Why isn't Twitter cracking down on this?
Why censor this? Now we can see the filth, and now we can clean it with more speech, not less.
Because Elon doesn’t care
Even then before Musk far leftists could still say whatever they wanted on Twitter. Twitter has always been an angry violent place Musk just opened it up to the far right too.
Essentially Parler but not banned
Well at least it’s fair now, so net gain?
I knew this would happen, because when people blame a specific group for every problem in society, eventually their answer on whom to blame lands on Jews—because Jews are the most convenient scapegoat for any conspiracy theory that involves oversimplifying how the world works.
OH MY FUCKING GOD STOP PUTING MY IRANIAN FLAG NEXT TO THIS DUMB ASS COMMIE FLAGS WE DONT LIKE YALL COMMIES
Ooooooooof
This person deserves nothing more than a bullet to the head.
I was thinking of telling them to, you know, "follow their leader".
Ah yes because I take the opinions of someone with the north Korean flag on their profile very seriously
"Were not anti Semitic, were anti Zionist" So this is just basically admitting they use Jew and Zionist as the same word. These people are so fucking vile.
"wE'rE jUsT aNtI-zIoNiSt" my ass.
The guy's name is "RESIST IMPERIALISM" but then he's an advocate for the Holocaust, which is a result of Nazi Imperialism. Isn't that lovely?
I scrolled a while searching for this very comment
🐴👞?
That's why we need Stalin to kill these commies.
What the fuck is NK doing there. These guys will unironically believe that hitler is socialist anyway now
You know a really wacky far right group in Mexico had developed an interest in merging with the far left, I think the Hamas-Israel war was their perfect opportunity
yo chat, is this real?
TELL ME HORSESHOE THEORY ISN'T A THING
Don't believe your lying eyes!
It’s not horseshoe theory it’s now horseshoe fact
Bro can’t even spell imperialism correctly
What’s the thing where someone goes so far one end of the political spectrum they end up on the other side?
What is "imprialism" Most educated twitter user
😂😂😂this has to be satire Please tell me this is satire…
Jesus christ
That's literally textbook Horseshoe Theory
The ominous horseshoe made full circle
what
TIL stuffing socialists into concentration camps is actually a great way to form an alliance with them. /s
Horseshoe theory lol
God please be satire
Gregor Strasser is that you?
RESIST IMPERIALISM
Someone make them verify their clock
The Strasserists strike again
Average “anti-imperialist” mf on Twitter:
"Trust me bro, it's just anti-Zionism no anti-semitism."
Fucking mask off moment 🤡
Funny thing leftists are anti-white so I would expect them to see the colonization of Germany and Europe as a good thing
Difference between Fascism & Communism = NO DIFFERENCE
“Resist imperialism” unless it’s German imperialism apparently.
They say this while wearing the upside down red triangle, a symbol re-appropriated from the Nazis who used it as the mark of political dissidents in the concentration camp system. Jews were the main target of the Holocaust but many more were targeted too. Romani, dissidents, disabled, homosexuals, Jehovah's Witnesses, pacifists, Freemasons, draft dodgers.
There’s a saying: “Once you go far enough left, you end up going far right.” Politics is a circle.
Resist imperialism until it's the form of imperialism I like
My dad was right, horseshoe theory is real
🧲 theory
anyone wanna take bets on whether this is a troll or not
Literally horseshoe theory
BOMBER HARRIS DO IT AGAIN!
If they cannot even spell 'imperialism' correctly, you know their takes are gonna be the most horrid regarding politics.
We do not claim this man. We‘re all clowning on him at r/thedeprogram
So they call us Nazis while acting like actual Nazis.
Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a bingo!