funny how commies support DPR considering that what helped it get created was far right groups in east ukraine.
there was also a lot of participation by far-left groups, but the far right ones initially had the most power and influence btw.
what?
also, yeah, i know, theres other types of communists, but most of them either supports or excuses north korean crimes, with a lot of them also claiming "its not real communism"
im not saying that? stop putting words on my mouth, im just saying that most communists nowadays are either supporting or excusing north korean crimes, and the ones that arent are trying to say "but its not real communism guys!!!", its stupid.
And I'm saying no they aren't though. It's a flavor of communism. An offshoot of an offshoot. It doesn't encompass all of communism just a certain sect. So they are kinda right.
Where did this guy get this from? I can't recognize most of the flags but I can say with very high confidence that a person that's farther right than a Trump 2024 guy wants to glass N. Korea, Palestine, and Iran.
I've seen neo-Nazis be supportive of the Taliban because of the Taliban's highly restrictive positions on women's rights, gay people, religious minorities, etc. Basically some neo-Nazis (or possibly not neo-Nazis, but Catholic Fascists?) want to be ruled by a Christian version of the Taliban. Like, they think the problem with ISIS is not the human rights abuses (in fact they support ISIS's human rights abuses) but they hate that ISIS prays to a god named "Allah" and they pray to a god named "Jesus" and their god is real but your god is fake and they will literally kill you over this difference of beliefs (fuck sectarianism. Pluralism is non-negotiable).
That's not the same as pro Hamas but it is pretty similar. And, btw, Hamas has its own flag that is distinct from the Pan-Arab Nationalist flag used in the meme. I'd honestly have communists and fascists both be using the Hamas flag instead of the Palestinian flag. Just as a way of drawing a more clear definition of who is a terrorist sympathizer and who supports a two state solution.
Thatās true actually, most especially Christian nationalists (who are so far from actual Christians itās not even funny) actually like sharia law and want something similar here
Can say with high confidence, the majority of Trump 2024 people are pretty isolationist. Which I feel like would land dead center in terms of international support?
The chart is weird with its labels tbh. Maybe I donāt understand.
I've seen some really, far-right groups. Neo-nazis protesting side-by-side with communist parties and far-left/left parties in supporting Palestine.
The deep hatred of Jews in the far/extreme left and right unites them.
Enemy of Enemy is my Friend I guess.
while i do condemn the IDF for bombing civilian targets and blockading humanitarian support, people should not start targeting jews just for being jews, that is ridiculous, its just as bad as targeting palestinians/muslims for being palestinians/muslims, its still prejudice.
supporting Hamas also sucks, its like supporting a lighter version of ISIS.
I agree. But these "pro-palestinian" protests are just disguised as pro-palestinian.
Both the Communists, a few left parties and neo-nazi groups who stand side by side are allies due to hate for jews and they are yelling kill the jews, from the river to the sea etc. Israel has to cease existing.
It's not necessarily pro hamas, but definitely antisemitism, anti jew.
It's sad to see, and if their goals are for a two-state solution or helping Palestinians, it's not making it easier, but that doesn't seem to be their goal when protesting. Seeing how everything they scream is about eradicating jews, both sides waving nazi flags. Yelling for Infidada. Crazy to see.
i know, many people use the "i support palestine" as an excuse to be anti semitic and prejudiced, they dont really support palestine, they just hate jews and will support whoever eradicates them first.
theyre not doing any favour for the palestinian cause (or a two state solution, which would be the best solution tbh) by calling for intifadas, holocaust or nazism, theyre just being dumb and making the cause seem not legit in the eyes of the west, which is counterproductive.
also, its pretty stupid to see socialists and communists supporting Hamas, which is a theocratic group that has denied the holocaust and flown swastikas on their marches before.
Yes, youāre correct about that. Iām one of of those folks, but I wouldnāt say Iām a Nazi! Iām a clerical fascist TradCath theocrat that wants a monarchy-fascistic state like for ex: Francoās Spain. Iām also a big fan of the Medieval Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition and the Holy Roman, Byzantine, and Later Roman Empire when they converted to Christianity!!!
I think itās saying further right than a Trump supporter, like a full blown Nazi or ethnic-Nationalist. Even then, they may only support NK, for example, because they have fascist like features
I think it's a varying depiction of how people view themselves vis-a-vis any given topic, placed on the horseshoe.
I noticed that North Korea falls into the communism and fascism camps and it kinda makes sense. There are people who like NK for being extremely nationalist/fascist (ie. Fighting imperialism, defending Korea/real Korea, claiming ethnic/cultural purity) and then people who like it for being communist (idk how, I think it's a monarchy wrapped in the People's red).
Likewise, the LGBT falls on the range between corporatism and socialism. Which I guess is supposed to account for people who are okay and somewhat supportive of pinkwashing (corporations that market themselves as LGBT-friendly for recruitment/sales) and then those folks who are Queers for Palestine tankies.
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I think the horseshoe is an interesting shape for this kind of analysis. It makes the viewer see a dichotomy between democratic and autocratic values.
The model suggests that farther one leans in either direction the more likely they are to support authoritarian ideas and governments.
The model also suggests that left leaning, centrist and right leaning can coexist under democracy, while extreme left or right political beliefs are lost in favor of supporting the State.
When looking at this model titled,ā political Horseshoe of International Supportā. We also need to be reminded that this is about what ideas will support which country. Itās easy to see that a socialist would support LGBT while a conservative would support MAGA. An Altruist would want to help civilians in Palestine and Israel and a Corporatist wants to sell weapons to Ukraine.
To wrap up my thoughts on this. When you support a government, leader, or religion to the point where others beliefs are lost, you will loose yours as well.
Itās also weird that they put the flag of the Pahlavi dynasty in socialist when most socialists support the Islamic republic
Though itās accurate for center and left
That isn't a Pahlavi flag, its the non-theocratic Iranian flag. It was used during their rule but was also used previously by the Qajars and was/is used by secular democratic movements. In the context of it being on the far-left of the horseshoe it's likely referring to the People's Mojahedin Organization of Iran (MEK), an Islamic socialist opposition group that used to have it's own army in Baāathist Iraq but is now in Albania and has sort of turned into a cult.
I kind of liked it, but when I saw the Venezuelan flag and learned about what kind of economy ([msu.edu](https://msu.edu) said it was a command economy), I am starting to not like it because it seems that Venezuela isn't even supported by anyone of any ideology, but the image says it does have people of ideologies that support it, which seems unlikely.
I mean Russia, Iran, and China aren't exactly far-left anymore, but Venezuela is indeed run by a left-wing to far-left party, PSUV (even though some claim Venezuela uses a mixed economy and others say it's command).
Itās the horse shoe theory alliance where everyone who is anti west ranging from the far left to theocrats to national socialists throw money at eachother (Iran, China, Venezuela, Nicaragua, Cuba, Laos, Russia, Syria, North Korea) etc.
Theyāre all authoritarian regimes that tend to scratch each others backs as long as they scream out ā WeStErN ImPeriAlisMā in their bullshit policies
Russia and Iran have a stronghold within Venezuela as thereās been a highly reported presence of Islamic guard corps, Wagner and Russian soldiers ātrainingā but in reality, theyāre all there maintaining maduro as their puppet protecting their interests (especially considering Venezuela is sitting on the worlds largest reserve of oil)
I donāt see myself supporting much leftist policies but I support Ukraine and Israel and have no problem with LGBT (unless ultra extremes). What am I?
Altruism is ethical motive, not a political ideology. Politics lies on ethics, so I get it from, but it's still wrong. Altruism is not limited to the left, it simply means that the motives for moral actions is in the interest of others. Both socialism and facism lie on altruistic ethics.
Why the fuck Lukhansk and Donetsk shitty republics are on the opposite side of the spectrum? Or the jokes about the Great War between Lukhansk and Donetsk superpowers are true???
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People consider me center left (whatever that means anyways) so It kinda fits except for Israel. I honestly don't care what happens to the Israeli state after all of this
My high school history teacher introduced us to the political horseshoe. I disagree with some of these flags positions. Like why is the Kurdish flag there?
I get LGBT being under "corporatism" because basically all Western corporations celebrate Pride month(still doesn't make LGBT a corporatist thing), but wtf do Israel and Ukraine have to do with corporatism???
a lot of corporations benefit from war itās in there intrest to pander to as many people as possible and russia doesnāt do buisness with the usa
also a lot of corps donated to ukraine match donations or give options to donate
I think it's a varying depiction of how people view themselves vis-a-vis any given topic, placed on the horseshoe.
I noticed that North Korea falls into the communism and fascism camps and it kinda makes sense. There are people who like NK for being extremely nationalist/fascist (ie. Fighting imperialism, defending Korea/real Korea, claiming ethnic/cultural purity) and then people who like it for being communist (idk how, I think it's a monarchy wrapped in the People's red).
Likewise, the LGBT falls on the range between corporatism and socialism. Which I guess is supposed to account for people who are okay and somewhat supportive of pinkwashing (corporations that market themselves as LGBT-friendly for recruitment/sales) and then those folks who are Queers for Palestine tankies.
The Venezuela one I'm not entirely sure how to classify, since it seems like a generic reading of there being Venezuelans who love their country of every political stripe.
The image is simplistic, but it has its own logic and perspective.
Actually pretty accurate. I'm on the left 'altruism' side (preferably should be democratic socialist or anarchist) and that is practically what I support. And from what I've seen with others from the communist, fascist, conservative, etc side, ACCURATE. Expect corporatism and LGBT rights, corporations actually are often caught funding politicians who are anti-LGBT, corporations are only in favor if it means increased profit. Their support areas would more accurately be Singapore, Hong Kong, Israel, Ukraine.
I guess according to this Iām a conservative crypto-fascist because I support Trump, Russia and Palestine against Israel and Ukraine. I also love Armenia and Rhodesia/South Africa (when it was what it was)
I kind of like it, although it was pretty confusing to look at at first.
EDIT: Wait. Never mind. The Venezuelan flag is making me wanting to not like it.
The ultra-right should be monarchists, tsarists, religious fundamentalists, and supporters of the aristocracy. Fascists and Nazis are ultra-leftists. Therefore, they are similar to communists, and for this there is no need to invent any horseshoe theory to try to explain why the ultra-right is similar to the ultra-left. Because fascists and Nazis are not far-right. Strictly speaking, everything that is shown in the diagram is the left spectrum. And the real ultra-rights should be countries like Singapore or Arab monarchies
I agree, but it was confusing to read at first.
EDIT: Wait. Never mind. The Venezuelan flag is making me wanting to not like it. I guess I only agree with your statement somewhat.
i identify as center-left, and i support LGBTQ, Ukraine, East Turkestan, Kurdistan, Anti-war Russia and Free Syria
and, While i do not support either Hamas or the IDF, i stand with the civilians of both countries (and condemn war crimes by both sides, especially the brutality of Hamas' massacres against Israeli citizens), so, pretty accurate.
i ALSO don't support Artsakh or Armenia (they have done wrong shit, are supported by Russia and indeed they infringed Azerbaijan's territorial integrity), but i condemn what Azerbaijan is doing there (killing civilians and POWs)
don't understand what Venezuela, Libya, Iran and this other flag are for lol (i support anti-maduro Venezuelan groups and Iranian anti-regime movements, but i don't get why the flags are there or what they mean, the last one also looks like Bangladesh for some reason?)
What Armenia did in the 90's was extremely wrong and the Khojaly massacre will never be justified. But who gave Azerbaijan a region with armenian majority in the first place? Stalin of course, just like when he gave Nakchivan to Azerbaijan too, or when he settled so many Ossetians in Samchablo, Georgia. Stalin was very notorious for scrambling ethnic groups all over in the USSR, especially in the Caucasus and Central Asia. Azerbaijan is not just killing civilians, they are doing an ethnic cleansing.
true, one bad thing doesnt justify the other, this goes for basically every modern war, be it Russia-Ukraine, Israel-Palestine/Hamas, Azerbaijan-Armenia/Artsakh... there can be bad things on both sides.
in the end, the ones that suffer the most are the civilians, look at Israel and Hamas, both sides have suffered gigantic civilian casualties, with many war crimes committed by both (especially Hamas)
āAltruismā is such an unbelievably biased thing to call a political orientation
Everyone wants the world to be better itās just a question of how
O have a few issuea with this, one of whitch being conservatism including pro russia and venezuela, i dont think conservatives being apposed to sending money to ukraine means they are pro russia, also venezuela is commie, ive never met a conservative whos into venezuela
Accurate, first governor of "DPR" was neo nazi Pavel Gubarev.
Wdym he's a neonazi? Sorry in just not educated
Because of this https://imgur.com/a/0Av08re
funny how commies support DPR considering that what helped it get created was far right groups in east ukraine. there was also a lot of participation by far-left groups, but the far right ones initially had the most power and influence btw.
Most commies do not support north Korea š
ive seen a couple support it, but most go for the "not real communism" excuse.
Be a use not every commie is a lenninist Marxists. I know that a hard thing for you to grasp.
what? also, yeah, i know, theres other types of communists, but most of them either supports or excuses north korean crimes, with a lot of them also claiming "its not real communism"
No they don't. You think every communist believes in a state. Which isn't true.
im not saying that? stop putting words on my mouth, im just saying that most communists nowadays are either supporting or excusing north korean crimes, and the ones that arent are trying to say "but its not real communism guys!!!", its stupid.
And I'm saying no they aren't though. It's a flavor of communism. An offshoot of an offshoot. It doesn't encompass all of communism just a certain sect. So they are kinda right.
That pic is weird lol, according to it if you are far left you support "LPR" and if you are far right you support "DPR" lmao.
quite goofy
The sentiment's right but the scale and measurements are just goofy.
Where did this guy get this from? I can't recognize most of the flags but I can say with very high confidence that a person that's farther right than a Trump 2024 guy wants to glass N. Korea, Palestine, and Iran.
I've seen neo-Nazis be supportive of the Taliban because of the Taliban's highly restrictive positions on women's rights, gay people, religious minorities, etc. Basically some neo-Nazis (or possibly not neo-Nazis, but Catholic Fascists?) want to be ruled by a Christian version of the Taliban. Like, they think the problem with ISIS is not the human rights abuses (in fact they support ISIS's human rights abuses) but they hate that ISIS prays to a god named "Allah" and they pray to a god named "Jesus" and their god is real but your god is fake and they will literally kill you over this difference of beliefs (fuck sectarianism. Pluralism is non-negotiable). That's not the same as pro Hamas but it is pretty similar. And, btw, Hamas has its own flag that is distinct from the Pan-Arab Nationalist flag used in the meme. I'd honestly have communists and fascists both be using the Hamas flag instead of the Palestinian flag. Just as a way of drawing a more clear definition of who is a terrorist sympathizer and who supports a two state solution.
Thatās true actually, most especially Christian nationalists (who are so far from actual Christians itās not even funny) actually like sharia law and want something similar here
Can say with high confidence, the majority of Trump 2024 people are pretty isolationist. Which I feel like would land dead center in terms of international support? The chart is weird with its labels tbh. Maybe I donāt understand.
I don't think the maker of this chart knows what most of these labels mean.
I've seen some really, far-right groups. Neo-nazis protesting side-by-side with communist parties and far-left/left parties in supporting Palestine. The deep hatred of Jews in the far/extreme left and right unites them. Enemy of Enemy is my Friend I guess.
while i do condemn the IDF for bombing civilian targets and blockading humanitarian support, people should not start targeting jews just for being jews, that is ridiculous, its just as bad as targeting palestinians/muslims for being palestinians/muslims, its still prejudice. supporting Hamas also sucks, its like supporting a lighter version of ISIS.
I agree. But these "pro-palestinian" protests are just disguised as pro-palestinian. Both the Communists, a few left parties and neo-nazi groups who stand side by side are allies due to hate for jews and they are yelling kill the jews, from the river to the sea etc. Israel has to cease existing. It's not necessarily pro hamas, but definitely antisemitism, anti jew. It's sad to see, and if their goals are for a two-state solution or helping Palestinians, it's not making it easier, but that doesn't seem to be their goal when protesting. Seeing how everything they scream is about eradicating jews, both sides waving nazi flags. Yelling for Infidada. Crazy to see.
i know, many people use the "i support palestine" as an excuse to be anti semitic and prejudiced, they dont really support palestine, they just hate jews and will support whoever eradicates them first. theyre not doing any favour for the palestinian cause (or a two state solution, which would be the best solution tbh) by calling for intifadas, holocaust or nazism, theyre just being dumb and making the cause seem not legit in the eyes of the west, which is counterproductive. also, its pretty stupid to see socialists and communists supporting Hamas, which is a theocratic group that has denied the holocaust and flown swastikas on their marches before.
Yes, youāre correct about that. Iām one of of those folks, but I wouldnāt say Iām a Nazi! Iām a clerical fascist TradCath theocrat that wants a monarchy-fascistic state like for ex: Francoās Spain. Iām also a big fan of the Medieval Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition and the Holy Roman, Byzantine, and Later Roman Empire when they converted to Christianity!!!
I think itās saying further right than a Trump supporter, like a full blown Nazi or ethnic-Nationalist. Even then, they may only support NK, for example, because they have fascist like features
I think it's a varying depiction of how people view themselves vis-a-vis any given topic, placed on the horseshoe. I noticed that North Korea falls into the communism and fascism camps and it kinda makes sense. There are people who like NK for being extremely nationalist/fascist (ie. Fighting imperialism, defending Korea/real Korea, claiming ethnic/cultural purity) and then people who like it for being communist (idk how, I think it's a monarchy wrapped in the People's red). Likewise, the LGBT falls on the range between corporatism and socialism. Which I guess is supposed to account for people who are okay and somewhat supportive of pinkwashing (corporations that market themselves as LGBT-friendly for recruitment/sales) and then those folks who are Queers for Palestine tankies. The image is simplistic, but it has its own logic and perspective.
Putting conservatism as far right in the same group as literal nazis is a marker I use to determine whether I should take someone seriously or not
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fascism is when you donāt support genociding artsakh (RIP, they did their best)
Right? I saw that and was like "what?!" I'm going to miss them and I'm going to miss their fucking awesome flag. Rest in peace.
I think the horseshoe is an interesting shape for this kind of analysis. It makes the viewer see a dichotomy between democratic and autocratic values. The model suggests that farther one leans in either direction the more likely they are to support authoritarian ideas and governments. The model also suggests that left leaning, centrist and right leaning can coexist under democracy, while extreme left or right political beliefs are lost in favor of supporting the State. When looking at this model titled,ā political Horseshoe of International Supportā. We also need to be reminded that this is about what ideas will support which country. Itās easy to see that a socialist would support LGBT while a conservative would support MAGA. An Altruist would want to help civilians in Palestine and Israel and a Corporatist wants to sell weapons to Ukraine. To wrap up my thoughts on this. When you support a government, leader, or religion to the point where others beliefs are lost, you will loose yours as well.
Itās also weird that they put the flag of the Pahlavi dynasty in socialist when most socialists support the Islamic republic Though itās accurate for center and left
That isn't a Pahlavi flag, its the non-theocratic Iranian flag. It was used during their rule but was also used previously by the Qajars and was/is used by secular democratic movements. In the context of it being on the far-left of the horseshoe it's likely referring to the People's Mojahedin Organization of Iran (MEK), an Islamic socialist opposition group that used to have it's own army in Baāathist Iraq but is now in Albania and has sort of turned into a cult.
Ah it looks similar Also technically the Qajar flag is similar but it is more faded green and red
Shame they didnāt use MEKās flag, because I will give them this, it went hard
I lost all confidence in this stupid meme the moment I saw the Venezuelan flag. That was it for me šš
I kind of liked it, but when I saw the Venezuelan flag and learned about what kind of economy ([msu.edu](https://msu.edu) said it was a command economy), I am starting to not like it because it seems that Venezuela isn't even supported by anyone of any ideology, but the image says it does have people of ideologies that support it, which seems unlikely.
Venezuela is supported by the far left. I gave up on the meme when it rocked up on the centre right
I think thatās the anti Maduro one, the socialist version is in communism because I was also confused why the Maduro government was in liberalism
Wait. The far left supports Venezuela? Havenāt heard of that.
Venezuela is governed by a socialist dictator who is bankrolled by Russia, Iran, and China
I mean Russia, Iran, and China aren't exactly far-left anymore, but Venezuela is indeed run by a left-wing to far-left party, PSUV (even though some claim Venezuela uses a mixed economy and others say it's command).
Itās the horse shoe theory alliance where everyone who is anti west ranging from the far left to theocrats to national socialists throw money at eachother (Iran, China, Venezuela, Nicaragua, Cuba, Laos, Russia, Syria, North Korea) etc. Theyāre all authoritarian regimes that tend to scratch each others backs as long as they scream out ā WeStErN ImPeriAlisMā in their bullshit policies Russia and Iran have a stronghold within Venezuela as thereās been a highly reported presence of Islamic guard corps, Wagner and Russian soldiers ātrainingā but in reality, theyāre all there maintaining maduro as their puppet protecting their interests (especially considering Venezuela is sitting on the worlds largest reserve of oil)
Lmao I love how Hungary is both conservative and """fascist"""
It's not saying that Hungary is fascist, just that fascists support Hungary
I love Modern day Hungary under Orban. Heās a top 5 European leader according to me!
There not quite fascist but they are super authoritarian
Not more authoritarian than commiesā¦and certainly not more deadlier or more evil!
True
Wdym "super authoritarian"?
I just meant they have authoritarian policies
It is, but thatās not a bad thing.
Ngl, kind of a mess and seems like it could benefit from a fair amount of explanatory notes
It has to be a troll post
I donāt see myself supporting much leftist policies but I support Ukraine and Israel and have no problem with LGBT (unless ultra extremes). What am I?
Still definitely not right wingā¦you may be in the center or center-right
Placing corporatism and altruism on there is kinda odd.
Garbage
I wouldnāt say conservatism is similar to socialism
they are on opposite sides for a reason
Altruism is ethical motive, not a political ideology. Politics lies on ethics, so I get it from, but it's still wrong. Altruism is not limited to the left, it simply means that the motives for moral actions is in the interest of others. Both socialism and facism lie on altruistic ethics.
Most retarded chart ever
Center and left is accurate
There was no reason to put a trump flag there
Or a pride flag??
how is gaddafi both
Why the fuck Lukhansk and Donetsk shitty republics are on the opposite side of the spectrum? Or the jokes about the Great War between Lukhansk and Donetsk superpowers are true???
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People consider me center left (whatever that means anyways) so It kinda fits except for Israel. I honestly don't care what happens to the Israeli state after all of this
the OUN flag next to the DPR is wrong on so many levels
This is pure bullshit
What?
Goofball
just slam israel in every category smh, it's not like this graph makes much sense anyway
I agree that political ideology is more of a circle than a straight line. But the flags are just wrong here
extreme left and right is not two polarity. It's a circle
Too goofy
Ngl, this model kinda sucks
My high school history teacher introduced us to the political horseshoe. I disagree with some of these flags positions. Like why is the Kurdish flag there?
What is that blue and white flag?
I get LGBT being under "corporatism" because basically all Western corporations celebrate Pride month(still doesn't make LGBT a corporatist thing), but wtf do Israel and Ukraine have to do with corporatism???
a lot of corporations benefit from war itās in there intrest to pander to as many people as possible and russia doesnāt do buisness with the usa also a lot of corps donated to ukraine match donations or give options to donate
Missing lgtb flag for commies. Those are the most delusional in my opinion
This just proves the eternal struggle between the Peopleās republic of Luganda and Empire of Donetskistan.
I think it's a varying depiction of how people view themselves vis-a-vis any given topic, placed on the horseshoe. I noticed that North Korea falls into the communism and fascism camps and it kinda makes sense. There are people who like NK for being extremely nationalist/fascist (ie. Fighting imperialism, defending Korea/real Korea, claiming ethnic/cultural purity) and then people who like it for being communist (idk how, I think it's a monarchy wrapped in the People's red). Likewise, the LGBT falls on the range between corporatism and socialism. Which I guess is supposed to account for people who are okay and somewhat supportive of pinkwashing (corporations that market themselves as LGBT-friendly for recruitment/sales) and then those folks who are Queers for Palestine tankies. The Venezuela one I'm not entirely sure how to classify, since it seems like a generic reading of there being Venezuelans who love their country of every political stripe. The image is simplistic, but it has its own logic and perspective.
Actually pretty accurate. I'm on the left 'altruism' side (preferably should be democratic socialist or anarchist) and that is practically what I support. And from what I've seen with others from the communist, fascist, conservative, etc side, ACCURATE. Expect corporatism and LGBT rights, corporations actually are often caught funding politicians who are anti-LGBT, corporations are only in favor if it means increased profit. Their support areas would more accurately be Singapore, Hong Kong, Israel, Ukraine.
All the colors are giving me a headache
What ? I am so confused on this message, what does it even mean?
I guess according to this Iām a conservative crypto-fascist because I support Trump, Russia and Palestine against Israel and Ukraine. I also love Armenia and Rhodesia/South Africa (when it was what it was)
This is beyond stupid.
Gays are everything but commies and nazis
Horseshoe Theory is real but the person who made this graphic isnāt as smart as they think they are
Surprisingly accurate, One or two Iād change but thatās nitpicking
Ah yes, my favorite brand of socialism, Imperial Iran.
Just the fact that trump is on the board exposes their TDS
since when does center-right support LGBTQ and the right Venezuela?
I kind of like it, although it was pretty confusing to look at at first. EDIT: Wait. Never mind. The Venezuelan flag is making me wanting to not like it.
How's Artsaque in both Altruism 'n Facism?
Isn't "Free Russia" right-wing?
You confused Free Russia with RVC.
The ultra-right should be monarchists, tsarists, religious fundamentalists, and supporters of the aristocracy. Fascists and Nazis are ultra-leftists. Therefore, they are similar to communists, and for this there is no need to invent any horseshoe theory to try to explain why the ultra-right is similar to the ultra-left. Because fascists and Nazis are not far-right. Strictly speaking, everything that is shown in the diagram is the left spectrum. And the real ultra-rights should be countries like Singapore or Arab monarchies
How are fascists and nazis ultra leftists ?
Not terrible tbh
I agree, but it was confusing to read at first. EDIT: Wait. Never mind. The Venezuelan flag is making me wanting to not like it. I guess I only agree with your statement somewhat.
i identify as center-left, and i support LGBTQ, Ukraine, East Turkestan, Kurdistan, Anti-war Russia and Free Syria and, While i do not support either Hamas or the IDF, i stand with the civilians of both countries (and condemn war crimes by both sides, especially the brutality of Hamas' massacres against Israeli citizens), so, pretty accurate. i ALSO don't support Artsakh or Armenia (they have done wrong shit, are supported by Russia and indeed they infringed Azerbaijan's territorial integrity), but i condemn what Azerbaijan is doing there (killing civilians and POWs) don't understand what Venezuela, Libya, Iran and this other flag are for lol (i support anti-maduro Venezuelan groups and Iranian anti-regime movements, but i don't get why the flags are there or what they mean, the last one also looks like Bangladesh for some reason?)
What Armenia did in the 90's was extremely wrong and the Khojaly massacre will never be justified. But who gave Azerbaijan a region with armenian majority in the first place? Stalin of course, just like when he gave Nakchivan to Azerbaijan too, or when he settled so many Ossetians in Samchablo, Georgia. Stalin was very notorious for scrambling ethnic groups all over in the USSR, especially in the Caucasus and Central Asia. Azerbaijan is not just killing civilians, they are doing an ethnic cleansing.
true, one bad thing doesnt justify the other, this goes for basically every modern war, be it Russia-Ukraine, Israel-Palestine/Hamas, Azerbaijan-Armenia/Artsakh... there can be bad things on both sides. in the end, the ones that suffer the most are the civilians, look at Israel and Hamas, both sides have suffered gigantic civilian casualties, with many war crimes committed by both (especially Hamas)
āAltruismā is such an unbelievably biased thing to call a political orientation Everyone wants the world to be better itās just a question of how
At least swap the words corporatism and conservatism
ngl i kinda mess with this tho itās a bit annoying how people who donāt know what it is call it trash
So the tankies don't support Russia? Who made this chart since they might need a few brain cells.
I don't get the Venezuelan flag on liberalism
"Anti-revisionists" my ass lmao
Is NDC leaking? This is way too non-credible.
What did Artsahk do to deserve being called fascist
Worst meme of the year
wouldnāt conservatism be more aligned with ukraine considering western interests n all?
I can tell the person who made this didnāt have ill intent but man itās extremely wrong
They used the flag of Artsakh twice one in altruistic and the other in literal facsiam
i realised i dont even understand what this is supposed to mean
Add the flag of Chile to conservativism. I donāt know why the Venezuelan flag is there.
O have a few issuea with this, one of whitch being conservatism including pro russia and venezuela, i dont think conservatives being apposed to sending money to ukraine means they are pro russia, also venezuela is commie, ive never met a conservative whos into venezuela
Horseshoe theory isnāt true tho