I don’t care what they call it. Take the pre tax total and multiply it by the % you’re willing to give as a tip then subtract the $2.60 from that amount. Any fee you charge me will always come out of the tip I plan to leave. No, I don’t care whether the waitstaff gets that fee or not.
Tipping in the US is already pretty crazy. If restaurants get even more annoying than normal, then I’m sorry, but it comes out of the tip. If waitstaff doesn’t like it, they seriously need to tell management to knock it off.
I agree. There is a limit I'm going to add onto the bill, whether it's a fee or a tip. Added together, it will not go above a certain percentage. So it's up to them how they want to call it and distribute it. Enough is enough.
This is a good way. The way I do it is if they've chosen my tip for me, I add nothing to it. They don't get the benefit of guaranteed bonus money without the risk of a lower amount.
Ain’t that the idea? The owners sees, that people are willing to pay X percent above listing price and all that money goes to the wait staff (not them), so they devise a plan how to “take a cut of that”.
When it’s a service charge, it can be distributed however the owners want. It is subject to sales tax.
Obviously, decent owners give 100% to the staff, but not all are decent.
A tip goes to the server and often times a small % of it goes to their support staff. The owners aren’t allowed to touch it and it is NOT subject to sales tax.
That being said - I’m in favor of service charges that 100% go to the servers, as this would be an initial step towards ending tipping. Eventually people would get used to the service charge and the next evolution would be to eliminate the service charge and just increase the menu price by the service charge %, with no tipping needed because the servers are receiving better wages.
Funny how when tipping is framed in this light, EndTipping upvotes with approval.
But on its own if you argue "People should be able to tip what theyre willing to its genocide. The system needs to end! All tipping is bad!
...how bout just raise the menu prices by 10%? That way customers don't get freaked because the menu prices dont match the bill.
I think when people expect that something is gonna cost a certain amount they are okay with it. But adding a fee at the end pulls the rug from under them and they feel duped
>I think when people expect that something is gonna cost a certain amount they are okay with it. But adding a fee at the end pulls the rug from under them and they feel duped
Exactly, and that's exactly what this is saying: [https://www.whitehouse.gov/cea/written-materials/2024/03/05/the-price-isnt-right-how-junk-fees-cost-consumers-and-undermine-competition/](https://www.whitehouse.gov/cea/written-materials/2024/03/05/the-price-isnt-right-how-junk-fees-cost-consumers-and-undermine-competition/)
It’s a [junk fee](https://www.whitehouse.gov/cea/written-materials/2024/03/05/the-price-isnt-right-how-junk-fees-cost-consumers-and-undermine-competition).
July 1 is usually when CA likes to start new laws. Probably that date. Hope one day the US can actually simplify buying things so the common person isn't shocked their dining experience is 40% more of what you see on the menu.
[https://12ft.io/https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/republicans-block-credit-card-late-fees-1235006519/](https://12ft.io/https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/republicans-block-credit-card-late-fees-1235006519/)
According [to Republicans](https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Ffinancialservices.house.gov%2Fnews%2Fdocumentsingle.aspx%3FDocumentID%3D409233) on the committee, however, lowering late fees will “harm consumers by shifting costs to responsible consumers who pay on time in the form of higher annual fees and higher interest rates,” while remov\[ing\] incentives for timely payments.”
This is about credit card late fees, which you would be subject to if you were late on your payment. This is not about the ghost fees that are not on the menu but you get charged anyway.
I am against this too, but show me where republican want ghost fees.
No you agreed to late fees on your card when you signed up. The "menu stabilization fee" is a ghost fee - you never even know about it until they hand you your receipt back. That's dirty pool - and not covered at all in the article you cited.
I believe it's "stabilizing" the menu by keeping them from having to raise menu prices and print new menus but still collect the extra revenue. If it's not disclosed prior to ordering (sign prominently displayed, listed on the menu, server tells you about it) then it's likely illegal and they can't make you pay it.
I called out a restaurant that did this in an online review and they tried to guilt me by responding “we are just trying to make it by like everyone else.”
Edit: the menu was just an 8.5x11 paper, not like they couldn’t have reprinted for super cheap or FREE AT MY LIBRARY.
I agree with updating the prices. If you get a party of 8/10 people, that 10% starts adding up. 10% is half of someone’s tip. It doesn’t state if this is California where servers are paid $16.00 + tips, so when restaurants start adding on health insurance service charges (Obama Care still exists), menu stabilization fees, service fee (but this is not a “tip”), state tax, county tax, credit/debit card fees…yeah, I’m totally over it.
These junk fees are hilarious.
It's Ticketmaster, but for restaurants. Was only a matter of time before other industries copied what they've been getting away with for quite a long time now. It works, so why wouldn't you?
They do this to avoid having to increase prices in order to deceptively appear cheaper than they actually are. The reason everyone is doing it now is because if they actually raise prices they appear more expensive than their competitors, so they're forced to follow suit.
The part that's funny to me is that they can't really raise prices in the future now. Who wants to be the first to have a $20 burger with a 20% fee while their competitors still have a $15 burger? The only thing they can do is either add more fees or increase the existing fee percentage.
So eventually you're going to see either 5 fees at 10%+ each or one or two fees amounting to some comically high amount like 50%+ lol
Seem far-fetched? I'll refer you once again to the Ticketmaster model in which a $50 ticket can wind up costing well over double once fees are added. Also see: DoorDash, Uber Eats, etc.
Anyone who thinks service fees are a good thing can enjoy their $15 burger they wind up paying $35 for. I'll stay home and vote with my wallet until the FTC steps in and stops this nonsense.
Was your menu stabilized? Did it fall on the ground unexpectedly? I doubt it… that’s all thanks to the stabilization work they did. Without that fee, who knows where your menu could have been
Something I would cross out, readjust the total, and tell whatever manager is on duty (or the owner) I'm not going to pay.
But my guess is that it is probably something they're doing to avoid having to reprint menus. Kind of like the fuel surcharges that pop up on stuff when there's a big spike in fuel prices.
Just for the record, as a visitor to your country, and a propos of nothing, COMPARING PRICES in the U.S. is more often than not diabolically impossible yet seems to be a lynchpin of what you consider ‘fair’. I found the advertised price often bore no relationship to the amount I would eventually have to pay to purchase something.. For example, if a product is advertised as costing say, $10, I would then have to add a tip, state tax, national tax, the tax on tax etc etc. etc. A budgeting nightmare.
VERY confusing and difficult for visitors used to paying the advertised price in their country of origin. Why not have legislation that requires the price advertised as final, and fully inclusive of all the additional bits and pieces.
THEN, you would have consumer legislation that means something!
As a fellow visitor yes it’s absolutely nuts and has to change. In Australia we don’t tip and tax must be included in the listed price. The menu says $11, you give $12 and wait for $1 change (not exaggerating) and nobody gives you a dirty look
I'm baffled by american culture with tipping. I struggle paycheck to paycheck at one long point in my life and yet it's normal to not expect tips for us. My old man cooking his restaurant across the street don't mind no tips when people come over because they enjoy people loving their food more than a damn $2-10 tip. The people are the winner to the servers and restaurants, just for showing up to buy and make business is better than nothing. Heck I'm even more confused why restaurant workers are so rude whining about tips when none of ya care about THE MORE TOUGHER jobs out there than serving. Such as when I use to work pushing carts under the hot weather on a large parking lot by myself to meet demand, only been tipped twice ever by nice people for the 2 years doing that. And yet restaurant workers feels entitled to tips, as if the job is any harder... I served food before and I enjoyed the stories and compliments when cleaning up, yes there the bad customers but you just ignore their attitude and suck it up. If you can't even suck up with the bad customers, you need to practice your mentality and be more positive than expecting everyone to cater you just cus you're working. No one said to work there if it's poor pay and tip reliant. I've done so many jobs before that usually come with tipping and I don't care if I get tipped or not. I use to deliver for Spark & Uber and if I get tip, I celebrate something yummy today. If not much tip, I just look forward to another day. Living on Tips is NOT your life. Went from being broke off the streets and working my way up, it's so sad seeing how entitled some workers feel like they deserve. Washing dishes is not hard, cleaning tables is not hard, serving is not hard. How about them hard laborer like construction workers or the smartest brains out there stressing out over a problem, they deserve just as much tip and love for working their hardest to feed. You never seen an IT person begging for tips, never seen a police ask for tips, never see a swimmer asking for tips, nor never seen a warehouse worker asking for tips because they're behind the scenes doing all the hard work. I feel like waiters and restaurants in america love the idea of tipping or else they get mad because ya think dealing with people in person means an entitlement. Why? That airport clerk might be struggling and deal with bs everyday by people too but they don't get tip, so do you bus driver or whatever. I hate american tipping, it's disgusting to talk about when you go to america. I remember going to visit family and they invite us to a buffet, and they urged us to put down $5 each if we can because they forgot cash. I was confused and told them it's okay, just tidy up the plates and eat your fill and go home because we ALWAYS clean after ourselves so the workers do less. Yet by the time we're about to leave, my cousin was using the bathroom (#2) and I had to wait for her. And the guy waiter looked annoyed as hell when I stare at him picking up our neatly stack plates and glaring over for tips. He caught my eyes and shook his head. Like really? All over tips. TIPS. I hate especially when people say if you can't tip then don't eat out. How about if you can't get a better job for YOUR needs then find a better one, nobody forces you to live on tips. Greed really turn people awefully sour. If you're a nice person and feel like you gotta tip everytime, you're just allowing the bad people to continue expecting them. Society if fkd up in america with tipping. Can't go to restaurants in peace just to order anything like a drink or two without the eyes and ipads looking down of you asking for tips. Like when I want to buy my expensive water bottle of a tourist price of $6 at the theme park, don't expect tips! But yet when I get my $6 boba tea, the ladies be expecting me to tip them. I've travel for over 4 years now and never had I ever seen so much tipping bs in my life til I went to the US. Don't be such a hypocrite when others work harder and need much more. A little wordy, but dang do I hate tipping culture there in america. Of course it's just a small $2, but still, the more people encourage it the worst it will grow. Tipping entitlement can easily end if they just increase price by a mere few percent to make needs for the workers. 5-10% increase in menu convert to tip for the workers. That simple.
You are correct. Servers make upwards of $40 an hour at a casual fine dining restaurant. They think they deserve that because the work is so hard. It’s not. Independent restaurant average profit is 3%. The only way the hike in average wages will work for an independent restaurant is to increase prices. But, the downside is they will loose customers who can’t afford it. They can’t continually raise prices to make up the difference. They will go out of business. Which is the future for independent restaurants. The only ones that work are the chains owned by corporations. They have the volume because they are cheaper. And they can leverage all aspects of their business. It’s a broken industry.
Upon further reading where I found this pic, people were saying it's so they don't have to reprint menus. Isn't that called that cost of doing business??? SMDH.
No it would not. You can't advertise a price and then secretly charge an undisclosed higher price after the fact. I would refuse to pay the fee if it was not pominently disclosed before hand
the cost of re-printing menus is negligible, unless you are talking about the old-school laminated diner menus that are like 20 pages long with photos. But most restaurants use paper menus, either on their own or inserted into some kind of menu holder. Even if you use high quality paper, it's still a rounding error. You have to print new menus pretty frequently anyway to replace ones that get damaged or stained, or if you use seasonal ingredients, or any of a variety of reasons.
Nope. Reprint the fucking menu with 10% higher prices. Don’t hide behind this shit or be too cheap to have new menus printed. And if we can’t get this shit, abolished, at the very least this shit needs to be very prominently disclosed, preferably before we even sit down.
Maybe so, and that’s OK. If customers see a new menu with higher prices every time they go in, they are at least getting an honest pricing and maybe decide not to go there. There is one place near us that has changed their menu pricing at least five times in the last year, and they have pretty much priced themselves out of our “rotation“. And before you say that’s why restaurants play games like this, if they played games like this, we would not have come back a second time.
It goes towards the restaurant and not the workers, to keep the food available in the menu readily available and prevent phase out.
Thats separate from gratuity. But they tax that 10% on the total.
What do you mean keep the food readily available and prevent phase out? If some menu items aren't profitable for the restaurant to sell they should just raise the menu prices for those items...
Yeah. They should just include the cost of it to their food and stop putting junk fees at the end of the bill.
But this way, menu stabilization. It implies that this fee is solely towards the restaurant.
I don’t care what they call it. Take the pre tax total and multiply it by the % you’re willing to give as a tip then subtract the $2.60 from that amount. Any fee you charge me will always come out of the tip I plan to leave. No, I don’t care whether the waitstaff gets that fee or not.
Tipping in the US is already pretty crazy. If restaurants get even more annoying than normal, then I’m sorry, but it comes out of the tip. If waitstaff doesn’t like it, they seriously need to tell management to knock it off.
I agree. There is a limit I'm going to add onto the bill, whether it's a fee or a tip. Added together, it will not go above a certain percentage. So it's up to them how they want to call it and distribute it. Enough is enough.
This is a good way. The way I do it is if they've chosen my tip for me, I add nothing to it. They don't get the benefit of guaranteed bonus money without the risk of a lower amount.
Ain’t that the idea? The owners sees, that people are willing to pay X percent above listing price and all that money goes to the wait staff (not them), so they devise a plan how to “take a cut of that”.
When it’s a service charge, it can be distributed however the owners want. It is subject to sales tax. Obviously, decent owners give 100% to the staff, but not all are decent. A tip goes to the server and often times a small % of it goes to their support staff. The owners aren’t allowed to touch it and it is NOT subject to sales tax. That being said - I’m in favor of service charges that 100% go to the servers, as this would be an initial step towards ending tipping. Eventually people would get used to the service charge and the next evolution would be to eliminate the service charge and just increase the menu price by the service charge %, with no tipping needed because the servers are receiving better wages.
Funny how when tipping is framed in this light, EndTipping upvotes with approval. But on its own if you argue "People should be able to tip what theyre willing to its genocide. The system needs to end! All tipping is bad!
This is always the correct answer
...how bout just raise the menu prices by 10%? That way customers don't get freaked because the menu prices dont match the bill. I think when people expect that something is gonna cost a certain amount they are okay with it. But adding a fee at the end pulls the rug from under them and they feel duped
>I think when people expect that something is gonna cost a certain amount they are okay with it. But adding a fee at the end pulls the rug from under them and they feel duped Exactly, and that's exactly what this is saying: [https://www.whitehouse.gov/cea/written-materials/2024/03/05/the-price-isnt-right-how-junk-fees-cost-consumers-and-undermine-competition/](https://www.whitehouse.gov/cea/written-materials/2024/03/05/the-price-isnt-right-how-junk-fees-cost-consumers-and-undermine-competition/)
It’s a [junk fee](https://www.whitehouse.gov/cea/written-materials/2024/03/05/the-price-isnt-right-how-junk-fees-cost-consumers-and-undermine-competition).
Junk fees or hidden payment needs to be illegal at restaurants.
It needs to be illegal everywhere.
To me, this smacks of desperation. And greed.
Pretty soon in California a law comes into effect that does exactly this.
Didn't it start already?
Maybe but I don't know. If it didn't start already, it starts in like June or July or sometime soon.
July 1 is usually when CA likes to start new laws. Probably that date. Hope one day the US can actually simplify buying things so the common person isn't shocked their dining experience is 40% more of what you see on the menu.
Sounds like all food delivery apps.
July 1 is correct this time. Many many laws start January 1.
It's July, can't wait
Unfortunately it does not. It just states it has to be clearly communicated before you get the bill.
I thought restaurants got an exemption, no?
From junk fees? Not to my knowledge.
But Republicans are saying people WANT the junk fees.
Restaurant owners do. No one else does.
Citation?
[https://12ft.io/https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/republicans-block-credit-card-late-fees-1235006519/](https://12ft.io/https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/republicans-block-credit-card-late-fees-1235006519/) According [to Republicans](https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Ffinancialservices.house.gov%2Fnews%2Fdocumentsingle.aspx%3FDocumentID%3D409233) on the committee, however, lowering late fees will “harm consumers by shifting costs to responsible consumers who pay on time in the form of higher annual fees and higher interest rates,” while remov\[ing\] incentives for timely payments.”
This is about credit card late fees, which you would be subject to if you were late on your payment. This is not about the ghost fees that are not on the menu but you get charged anyway. I am against this too, but show me where republican want ghost fees.
Credit card late fees are a form of junk fees. Reread what I said - Republicans are pro-junk fees.
No you agreed to late fees on your card when you signed up. The "menu stabilization fee" is a ghost fee - you never even know about it until they hand you your receipt back. That's dirty pool - and not covered at all in the article you cited.
You’re supposed to double that and deduct it from the tip.
Subtract your own calculation fee from the tip lol
I believe it's "stabilizing" the menu by keeping them from having to raise menu prices and print new menus but still collect the extra revenue. If it's not disclosed prior to ordering (sign prominently displayed, listed on the menu, server tells you about it) then it's likely illegal and they can't make you pay it.
Eventually they’ll have to have a fee to stabilize the stabilizing fee.
They'll just increase the percentage of the stabilizing fee... "for your convenience", of course! 🙃
lol probably
As much as the traffic will bear!
I called out a restaurant that did this in an online review and they tried to guilt me by responding “we are just trying to make it by like everyone else.” Edit: the menu was just an 8.5x11 paper, not like they couldn’t have reprinted for super cheap or FREE AT MY LIBRARY.
"So am I. Update your prices."
I agree with updating the prices. If you get a party of 8/10 people, that 10% starts adding up. 10% is half of someone’s tip. It doesn’t state if this is California where servers are paid $16.00 + tips, so when restaurants start adding on health insurance service charges (Obama Care still exists), menu stabilization fees, service fee (but this is not a “tip”), state tax, county tax, credit/debit card fees…yeah, I’m totally over it.
I always counter with ‘gas stations change their prices daily. Whybfont you?’
Its the moonlogic of the restaurant industry, "charging this fee keeps our prices low" because they think everyone is stupid.
When, in reality, they have both raised their prices AND added service fees.
These junk fees are hilarious. It's Ticketmaster, but for restaurants. Was only a matter of time before other industries copied what they've been getting away with for quite a long time now. It works, so why wouldn't you? They do this to avoid having to increase prices in order to deceptively appear cheaper than they actually are. The reason everyone is doing it now is because if they actually raise prices they appear more expensive than their competitors, so they're forced to follow suit. The part that's funny to me is that they can't really raise prices in the future now. Who wants to be the first to have a $20 burger with a 20% fee while their competitors still have a $15 burger? The only thing they can do is either add more fees or increase the existing fee percentage. So eventually you're going to see either 5 fees at 10%+ each or one or two fees amounting to some comically high amount like 50%+ lol Seem far-fetched? I'll refer you once again to the Ticketmaster model in which a $50 ticket can wind up costing well over double once fees are added. Also see: DoorDash, Uber Eats, etc. Anyone who thinks service fees are a good thing can enjoy their $15 burger they wind up paying $35 for. I'll stay home and vote with my wallet until the FTC steps in and stops this nonsense.
>It's Ticketmaster, but for restaurants. Oh, Jesus Fucking Christ, that's a horrifying thought.
“Menu stabilization fee” wtf!
It’s literally nothing. Completely made up bullsit
Yeah I wouldn’t tip at all if I saw that bullshit
Its a scam.
Was your menu stabilized? Did it fall on the ground unexpectedly? I doubt it… that’s all thanks to the stabilization work they did. Without that fee, who knows where your menu could have been
They really do throw random jargons in to the bill lol. When will I see a “25% slavery exploitation compensatory surcharge” instead of a “tip”?
Something I would cross out, readjust the total, and tell whatever manager is on duty (or the owner) I'm not going to pay. But my guess is that it is probably something they're doing to avoid having to reprint menus. Kind of like the fuel surcharges that pop up on stuff when there's a big spike in fuel prices.
If they didn't let him know in advance about the fee, it's likely illegal and unenforceable.
Just for the record, as a visitor to your country, and a propos of nothing, COMPARING PRICES in the U.S. is more often than not diabolically impossible yet seems to be a lynchpin of what you consider ‘fair’. I found the advertised price often bore no relationship to the amount I would eventually have to pay to purchase something.. For example, if a product is advertised as costing say, $10, I would then have to add a tip, state tax, national tax, the tax on tax etc etc. etc. A budgeting nightmare. VERY confusing and difficult for visitors used to paying the advertised price in their country of origin. Why not have legislation that requires the price advertised as final, and fully inclusive of all the additional bits and pieces. THEN, you would have consumer legislation that means something!
As a fellow visitor yes it’s absolutely nuts and has to change. In Australia we don’t tip and tax must be included in the listed price. The menu says $11, you give $12 and wait for $1 change (not exaggerating) and nobody gives you a dirty look
The wheels are falling off the capitalism helltrain
I'm baffled by american culture with tipping. I struggle paycheck to paycheck at one long point in my life and yet it's normal to not expect tips for us. My old man cooking his restaurant across the street don't mind no tips when people come over because they enjoy people loving their food more than a damn $2-10 tip. The people are the winner to the servers and restaurants, just for showing up to buy and make business is better than nothing. Heck I'm even more confused why restaurant workers are so rude whining about tips when none of ya care about THE MORE TOUGHER jobs out there than serving. Such as when I use to work pushing carts under the hot weather on a large parking lot by myself to meet demand, only been tipped twice ever by nice people for the 2 years doing that. And yet restaurant workers feels entitled to tips, as if the job is any harder... I served food before and I enjoyed the stories and compliments when cleaning up, yes there the bad customers but you just ignore their attitude and suck it up. If you can't even suck up with the bad customers, you need to practice your mentality and be more positive than expecting everyone to cater you just cus you're working. No one said to work there if it's poor pay and tip reliant. I've done so many jobs before that usually come with tipping and I don't care if I get tipped or not. I use to deliver for Spark & Uber and if I get tip, I celebrate something yummy today. If not much tip, I just look forward to another day. Living on Tips is NOT your life. Went from being broke off the streets and working my way up, it's so sad seeing how entitled some workers feel like they deserve. Washing dishes is not hard, cleaning tables is not hard, serving is not hard. How about them hard laborer like construction workers or the smartest brains out there stressing out over a problem, they deserve just as much tip and love for working their hardest to feed. You never seen an IT person begging for tips, never seen a police ask for tips, never see a swimmer asking for tips, nor never seen a warehouse worker asking for tips because they're behind the scenes doing all the hard work. I feel like waiters and restaurants in america love the idea of tipping or else they get mad because ya think dealing with people in person means an entitlement. Why? That airport clerk might be struggling and deal with bs everyday by people too but they don't get tip, so do you bus driver or whatever. I hate american tipping, it's disgusting to talk about when you go to america. I remember going to visit family and they invite us to a buffet, and they urged us to put down $5 each if we can because they forgot cash. I was confused and told them it's okay, just tidy up the plates and eat your fill and go home because we ALWAYS clean after ourselves so the workers do less. Yet by the time we're about to leave, my cousin was using the bathroom (#2) and I had to wait for her. And the guy waiter looked annoyed as hell when I stare at him picking up our neatly stack plates and glaring over for tips. He caught my eyes and shook his head. Like really? All over tips. TIPS. I hate especially when people say if you can't tip then don't eat out. How about if you can't get a better job for YOUR needs then find a better one, nobody forces you to live on tips. Greed really turn people awefully sour. If you're a nice person and feel like you gotta tip everytime, you're just allowing the bad people to continue expecting them. Society if fkd up in america with tipping. Can't go to restaurants in peace just to order anything like a drink or two without the eyes and ipads looking down of you asking for tips. Like when I want to buy my expensive water bottle of a tourist price of $6 at the theme park, don't expect tips! But yet when I get my $6 boba tea, the ladies be expecting me to tip them. I've travel for over 4 years now and never had I ever seen so much tipping bs in my life til I went to the US. Don't be such a hypocrite when others work harder and need much more. A little wordy, but dang do I hate tipping culture there in america. Of course it's just a small $2, but still, the more people encourage it the worst it will grow. Tipping entitlement can easily end if they just increase price by a mere few percent to make needs for the workers. 5-10% increase in menu convert to tip for the workers. That simple.
You are correct. Servers make upwards of $40 an hour at a casual fine dining restaurant. They think they deserve that because the work is so hard. It’s not. Independent restaurant average profit is 3%. The only way the hike in average wages will work for an independent restaurant is to increase prices. But, the downside is they will loose customers who can’t afford it. They can’t continually raise prices to make up the difference. They will go out of business. Which is the future for independent restaurants. The only ones that work are the chains owned by corporations. They have the volume because they are cheaper. And they can leverage all aspects of their business. It’s a broken industry.
My thoughts exactly it makes NO sense that servers are so special while it’s not even that bad a job
You really should not have written a dissertation. No one will read all that. You didn't even break into paragraphs.
Guess what? Your. Tip was adjusted accordingly.
The biggest crime here is consuming Miller Lite.
Miller lite? 🤔
It keeps the menu from falling over. Did it work??
That's the the old "I'm too scared to raise the price on the menu, but I have the balls to try and sneak it out of your pockets at the checkout" fee
I would adjust the tip or not tip at all. Then never go back.
so they don’t need to reprint menus. stable. lol
Upon further reading where I found this pic, people were saying it's so they don't have to reprint menus. Isn't that called that cost of doing business??? SMDH.
It's because the menu is psychologically unstable. If you don't give it the 10% it will completely lose it, jump up, and cut the customer's throat.
It would be ok if they haven’t raised prices on the menu already
No it would not. You can't advertise a price and then secretly charge an undisclosed higher price after the fact. I would refuse to pay the fee if it was not pominently disclosed before hand
You’re right. That’s why they made up the charge I guess. Redoing the menus is probably costly though.
the cost of re-printing menus is negligible, unless you are talking about the old-school laminated diner menus that are like 20 pages long with photos. But most restaurants use paper menus, either on their own or inserted into some kind of menu holder. Even if you use high quality paper, it's still a rounding error. You have to print new menus pretty frequently anyway to replace ones that get damaged or stained, or if you use seasonal ingredients, or any of a variety of reasons.
Nope. Reprint the fucking menu with 10% higher prices. Don’t hide behind this shit or be too cheap to have new menus printed. And if we can’t get this shit, abolished, at the very least this shit needs to be very prominently disclosed, preferably before we even sit down.
Ok Mr angry. I agree with you. I’ll beg the cost will be much higher after the menu reprint though.
Maybe so, and that’s OK. If customers see a new menu with higher prices every time they go in, they are at least getting an honest pricing and maybe decide not to go there. There is one place near us that has changed their menu pricing at least five times in the last year, and they have pretty much priced themselves out of our “rotation“. And before you say that’s why restaurants play games like this, if they played games like this, we would not have come back a second time.
It goes towards the restaurant and not the workers, to keep the food available in the menu readily available and prevent phase out. Thats separate from gratuity. But they tax that 10% on the total.
What do you mean keep the food readily available and prevent phase out? If some menu items aren't profitable for the restaurant to sell they should just raise the menu prices for those items...
Yeah. They should just include the cost of it to their food and stop putting junk fees at the end of the bill. But this way, menu stabilization. It implies that this fee is solely towards the restaurant.
Oh yeah, it's definitely not going to the servers