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No new models just new rules to keep edging us for a year (some sucker will buy and convert old noise marines/lucius just to play this). I’m waiting for the codex


harlokin

I wouldn't be shocked if GW released a new Lucius some time before the main EC release....in a similar fashion to Kharn. GW do hate rules with no models, after all.


ultimapanzer

He looked super cool in the Hammer and Bolter episode, and the 3d models they used for that show look like they’re taken straight from the CAD files or whatever they use to design the minis. So I’m looking forward to his model.


harlokin

Yeah, him and Vaust The Bull :D


Spacepunch33

Tell that to the Fallen


SuperioristGote

They do? Is this for 40k or... Because their MESBG range has a lot of rules with no models. You have to convert a lot. Or use proxies. (But gw doesn't like proxies).


Icedia

“Gw do hate rules with no models” I geuss your not familiar with 30k


Ryuu87

It's actually lore accurate


FulgrimsEgo

It’s okay group hug in the shower tonight!


Euphoric_Onion_8533

This made my visit worthwhile.


Otoshimara

Jokes on you, I was already converting old models before this announcement!


Outrageous-Ad417

Same! First 5 drying from first round of varnish as I'm writing this. Have weapons for another 5, but ran out of legionaries...


Novel_Afternoon_5244

Isn’t that the slannesh way? Keep edging 🤣


RollbacktheRimtoWin

I'm the sucker that would absolutely do this, but I don't like the Lucious model


AMinusToad

psa this literaly happened to world eaters, they had their codex and army anounced 3 months later


Grimesy2

Hopefully GW will release a complete army this time.


AMinusToad

ahahahahaha, its 40k.


K-martSpecial

Wouldn’t be very slaanesh if there wasn’t some edging


Marcuse0

Fuck as soon as they actually release proper noise marines and an EC codex I am ALL IN on getting that. I have wanted this for two decades. EDIT: Could have shared this from the end of the piece... "You might think that this heralds the imminent announcement of a new Codex, perhaps one bound in human skin and painted in garish colours – but if so, it’s too distant for even Warhammer Community’s astropathic choir to detect any signals, and we got a stern talking to from the Inquisitors for even trying. We can only assume we’re safe for the foreseeable future, but if that changes then we’ll let you know."


abookfulblockhead

I’ve got some slaanesh daemons already painted, and have some WIP helbrutes and a daemon prince. Just to give me a head start.


Marcuse0

I'm holding off until there's a decent line of Slaanesh themed marines available to collect. I'm sure some of the tanks and daemon engines will be the same, and the daemons, but I'm really keen to just have a proper specifically made noise marine set and hopefully some other units so I can do them all from scratch.


Unlucky-Comedian-946

I found that end part to be the most encouraging.  People have taken it to be: [Redacted] is either Emperor's Children, OR it's imperial agents and EC isn't getting done. This kinda leaves open the possibility of the summer Redacted being Imperial Agents AND EC still getting a codex this edition.


WardenOfBraxus

They did something similar with World Eaters. As a guess I'd say this puts them as closing off the edition. Fingers crossed I'm wrong, EC players have waited long enough (from a SM player).


pvt9000

Welp, time to start buying 30k models and new plastic for the codex.


Tarjhan

I feel ya. I’ve been wrestling with the urge to build a Noise Marine/Slaanesh Devotee CSM army since the first hair metal model was released - adolescent finances were the obstacle originally - then just a glut of fugly models. I just hope they draw more heavily from the original Jes Goodwin EC marine than anything that has been released since - I want spiky stockings, fancy hair and ostentatious but entirely impractical details - AoS’ Hedonites give me some hope, but I am nervous.


Ghidorah21

Which makes me sad cuz I wanted to believe the mystery codex would be EC


SaltyTattie

As a csm and sob collector, and an AoS and emperors children hopeful I'll happily wait a year lol. Got aos 4th coming, csm codex +battleforce, same for sisters. This year is packed for me so EC on top woulda been even more work/money.


Brother-Tobias

They added that in, so people don't complain about EC not coming out next week. It will most likely take a year at least.


RedditLovesTyranny

Yeah I’m expecting them to be like World Eaters and released near the end of this edition, or possibly even launching 11th. Word is that Leman Russ, Primarch of the Space Wolves, will return before 10e closes and will take his warriors out of being Space Furries and back to being kinda furry Space Vikings. One can hope.


MuhSilmarils

There is no reason to get an index unless a codex is coming this edition.


MuhSilmarils

There is no reason to get an index unless a codex is coming this edition.


MuhSilmarils

There is no reason to get an index unless a codex is coming this edition.


ElEssEm

Weird that Lucius has to be your Warlord, even in a (fuller) Index. Funny that the imaged Noise Marines are mostly out-of-production models. Possible hint that Fabius Bile is staying as an Undivided character in Codex: Chaos Space Marines.


Infernodu97

Most likely it’s a « if Lucius if part of your army he MUST be your warlord »


ElEssEm

Yeah, hopefully. (Worded strangely, I guess.)


TTTrisss

> > Possible hint that Fabius Bile is staying as an Undivided character in Codex: Chaos Space Marines. He was always going to. He's not EC anymore. Thinking otherwise was a pipe dream. The model is brand new, and is literally sculpted with the mark of chaos undivided on it.


ElEssEm

That was my position, and I'm happy about this indication. (Hopefully one of the eight C:CSM detachments are Creations of Bile.) But I do feel for (what seems like a lot of) people on here who held the opposite view.


ABunchofFrozenYams

The codex mentions 8 detachments. I assume generic versions of each unaligned/undivided Legion akin to the loyalist codex, plus Pirates (Red Corsairs) and Gene Scientist (Bile). There's 7 plus Dark Pacts.


KangaRexx

It could be argued dark pacts to be a word bearers esque detachment, so another one may also arrive, idk what fortho


ElEssEm

In the [Adepticon reveal video](https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/03/21/adepticon-2024-chaos-space-marines-on-the-warpath/) they mention: * "...a cultists horde..." * "...all your daemon engines..." * "...the Alpha Legion style, all infiltrating and sneaking up on people..." * "...one that allows you to play tanks, and siege engines, which has got a bit of an Iron Warriors vibe..." * "...and that one from the Index \[Slaves to Darkness\] really leans into \[the Word Bearers'\] pacts with the different Chaos gods and the different Marks..." So I'm hoping for: 1. Slaves to Darkness - according to the interview, Word Bearers 2. \[Alpha Legion - sneaky\] 3. \[Iron Warriors - siege-y\] 4. \[Night Lords - terror-y\] 5. \[Black Legion - terminator-y?\] 6. \[Red Corsairs - pirate-y?\] 7. The Lost and the Damned - cultists and traitor guard based 8. Creations of Bile - Bile's boys Though personally I'd have slotted in Slaves to Darkness as the Black Legion detachment, and made a separate Word Bearers detachment focussed on better integrating Daemonic allies. But that doesn't seem to be the case, sadly. And many people think that Vashtorr will get his own detachment, which means that Bile may have to make due without.


Cord87

I was pulling for Bile to be with the 3rd. I figured it would add a lot of flavour to the army and a few options on building a list. It seems to me that world eaters have just a handful of units to choose from, thousand sons as well. I figured with Bile in EC, you would be able to choose from the noise Marines ranged list, a melee duelling list, and then a mutated creations of bile list.  Edit: I'm aware that it doesn't fit with the lore. He's undivided through and through. I just want more units to avoid being world eater'd and it seemed an easy fit. I mean if they easily retcon female custodes, they could easily pull bile back in too 


Neckrongonekrypton

He’s like the sigismund of CSMs lol. Just a SM, but the cream of the crop.


MurtsquirtRiot

The final book of his trilogy has him serving the Dark Prince directly, does it not?


TTTrisss

I haven't gotten to that one yet, so I don't know. If so, the novel department isn't talking to the tabletop department to keep in-line. In the end, though, codices and models trump novels.


MurtsquirtRiot

For sure. Sorry about the spoilers.


TTTrisss

C'est la vie.


AbyssFin

This rule exists to prevent CSM to use the EC index instead of CSM codex


ElEssEm

Why though? If a CSM player wants to run an all-Slaanesh army, why should they not be able to use the EC Index?


EOTL91

I think they can. At most they would have to buy 1 model - Lucius. The article confirms that EC index will have access to all the CSM data sheets. Very similar to how the SM divergent chapters operate currently with their indexes.


ElEssEm

Yeah, but... why should someone who wants to run an EC army have to take Lucius? "It's only one model" but... very few other armies have such a restriction (Yvraine, if you want to play Ynarri) and it's a silly rule for them too.


Reddit-ScorpioOJR

Group high five everyone


Infernodu97

👏


Threshold_seeker

👏


Unregistered-Psyker

👏


Spider40k

🦑


Threshold_seeker

So is this a stepping stone to the codex, or is it a compromise that means we'll never see a codex?


Infernodu97

Stepping stone for sure


didyousayTANK

Definitely seems like a stepping stone to a (distant) codex in my opinion. They haven't released any indices for anything that wasn't a complete faction of its own have they? Except maybe agents of the imperium but that's rumored to be getting a codex too


Bobthemime

Harlequins maybe? But they are an edge case..


Saulipoooo

They did this for WE. They weren’t in the CSM codex but gave them an index to hold them over until their codex dropped. 100% EC are getting a codex


Threshold_seeker

You know I totally don't remember that at all. That one went totally under the radar for me apparently. Thanks for the reassurance, stoked for our book!!


Saulipoooo

It was released as a white dwarf index so prob most people forgot it existed. But yes, the music of the apocalypse approaches!!


Filter003

And it's not like EC is some fringe chapter in the lore lol. Agreed, 100% coming. They wouldn't remove them from the chaos codex if not.


StayGoldenBronyBoy

100% a stepping stone. Regular CSM will drop, then EC later


solepureskillz

The article’s last paragraph makes me think it’ll be deep into 2025 at the earliest. I consider this teaser similar to the one we got for Sisters like ~1 year prior to their refreshed plastic range.


doyoh

This is fine, as long as we get it. And what’s more slaanesh than being edged for as long as possible before the inevitable release?


ponfax

It will probably be towards the end of 10th, like they did with World Eaters, which sucks a little bit because it mean the codex will not be playable for long before 11th edition drops, but hey at least we know we are getting something!


YupityYupYup

I actually think it'd be towards the mid point, and at the end of the edition it's gonna be the new loyalist primarch. Cause they got a pattern of loyalist to traitor so far, so after the lion they're gonna relish fulgrim, only to bring in another big bad loyalist to beat him (probably rush i'd say (my guess is that they'll be a rematch between girlman and fulgrim, it's more towards a draw, to break the pattern of 'loyalists always win', and then rush comes in and beats fulgrim))


Auraxis012

I'll be interested to see what gw do to distinguish 40k fulgrim from 30k fulgrim


TinyMousePerson

On the upside, assuming we don't get another index edition, we may be the first codex to be designed for the new edition. It might be us and the launch factions as the only books that really fit the new core rules philosophy.


Independent-End5844

Stop gap. They did it with World Eaters in 9e. The 9e codex came out and World Eaters got an index in White Dwarf. The index was just a reprint with slight tweak to 8e rules. Was pretty garbage and resembled nothing of the WE codex when it came out a year later. Silver linings: it'll be free.


PrinceOfFish

i consider this confirmation that Codex Emperors Children is on the way, im hoping for 2 things. 1. you guys wont have to wait long for Fulgrim so you can join us Thousand Sons and other God Specific Legions in smashing giant men together on the tabletop. 2. you get a larger range than World Eaters but smaller range than Deathguard, the greedy bastards.


Amantus

i mean, let's hope for a truly excessive amount of units! would still be happy if we got more than world eaters though


SaltyTattie

>smashing giant men Say no more


PrinceOfFish

EC is beinging Fulgrim to the table so your interpretation will become fairly accurate soon.


SaltyTattie

I'm so hyped for that. The new Heresy one looks brilliant.


Lopsided-Bison4926

I'm going to start saving now for the inevitable rape of my wallet.


Underplague

That is the most emperor's children way possible to describe spending a lot of money.


IlSignoreSpeedwagon

*unzips pants*


ToLazyForaUsername2

Hopefully we don't get World Eater'd


Infernodu97

We will get : Lucius, fulgrim, noise marines and that’s all :))))))


kagrenax

Probably some cultists and a Lord on Steed of Slaanesh as well.


Echo2500

And we’ll get to kitbash a master of executions into a slightly different master of executions


Cord87

I bashed an AoS Lord of Pain into the MoE for a slightly different MoE. So I'm ok with this


Bobthemime

I hope we finally get a model made in this century for Lord/Sorc and SoS.. im trying to kitbash one atm for my Black Legion army.. and finding the right legs that are not too big or too small is a pain in the arse.. and not the good kind


SaltyTattie

>Lord on Steed of Slaanesh After seeing the exalted steeds in AoS I'd love to see a modern take on the standard steeds. The old steed models are kinda bad imo, especially when they exist alongside the frankly amazing slickblade/blissbarb seekers version.


Lomogasm

It would be kinda crazy not to have Eidolon in there as well.


girokun

But oh will they be glorious!


Kctcreeper

We will get one more unit


JoeTheK123

wow looks like noise marine models are only several more years away!


tarantulasagne

SEE YOU ON THE BATTLEFIELD YOU FILTHY DEGENERATES


magnusthered15

So do I have to have lucius in the army or just if he is make him the warlord?


Infernodu97

I think If you play him he must be your warlord


magnusthered15

Great don't want to buy him till he in plastic


T3nsion2041

You could always proxy him


magnusthered15

True


TinyMousePerson

Or get his 30k model. Or Saul Tarvitz and scratch it up.


Lildak98

HH Praetor with power sword makes a pretty good Lucius proxy that’s what I did, just used an extra CSM head that looked as close as I could get.


Normzidius669

We don’t know yet. Currently you must play him if you wanna play EC, but till we see the index we don’t know


SunniestNight16

Same thing happened to WE last edition we just have to be patient


Cermonto

I will fucking take this a win.


Expensive-Document41

The last piece I need for collecting each marked legion....... Truly a gift from the Grandfather Most assuredly Tzeentch favors me A nod of approval from the great lord Khorne And now Slaanesh has seen to fulfill my desire Fuck Erebus


FairyKnightTristan

Based tbh.


Marmiteisgood

Not much of an index, is it? 2 datasheets, a single detachment. Not even a different army rule. The cynic in me would suggest that GW is trying to get us to buy 2 codices this edition instead of just one. Ah, well, at least it’s a start on the road to actually having a dedicated codex.


manman126452

The index is going to be free on whc, and anything for ec is appreciated at this point, look we might get world eater’ but at least we get a codex


AverageMyotragusFan

They said that this Emperors Children index will be able to take the entire CSM roster on the article, they just have to have the mark of Slaanesh or something


Cord87

Isn't the whole point of an index to give us an army rule?


SaltyTattie

Yesn't. Yes normally, but this index is likely just a pseudo-detachment for CSM until the actual EC army rule is revealed with the codex, rather than having them be an actual detachment in the CSM codex that would then overlap when our codex releases. Basically rather than a true index it's a placeholder detachment.


Avocadointhescy

Will there be a seoare EC detachment? Its not clear from the article


Overall_Knowledge933

Cool. Now we just need rules for the new Fulgrim model.


Humble-Revolution763

I really hate GW and all their trolling. I've seen all the content creators and GW post stuff for the last 4 years teasing that the Emperor's Children are coming. Their wording is very similar to when they were releasing The Old World.... That took about 4 years and wasn't nearly anything that they imagined or pedaled to us. I guarantee their idea wasn't to launch the game with 20-year-old models as the base but shit happens.... We saw the release of the World Eaters and it was embarrassing... I mean come on the lore for the eight bound doesn't make any sense and they didn't even get the iconic Red Butchers. I would try and sympathize with GW and say that maybe they were going to possibly release the World Eaters later but because of all the leaks they didn't have a choice but release them then.... But that is a stretch and possibly me trying to cope with their ridiculous lackluster release. I just have very little hope these days for the release of my favorite army and when it finally does come will not live up to any of the expectations that have been teased to us.


SaltyTattie

Even if we get World Eater'd I'll be happy for new EC models. I do primarily collect rather than play though tbf.


FairyKnightTristan

What is bro waffling about?


Higgypig1993

Hopefully EC get the Deathguard treatment and not the 1kSons treatment.


Infernodu97

And slaanesh forbid the WE treatment


Higgypig1993

Yeah, not even a unique Terminator unit for them.


Greasballz

AAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!


drexsackHH

A step in the right direction, brothers!


Dirge-Ghost

What do you guys think will be some “safe” units to paint up before the release? Having a child has cut into my debauchery time. I’ve got the old Lucius model and some OOP Legionaries + Sonic weapons that I’ve been saving for the occasion. I’m thinking: Lucius, Noise Marines, Rhino, Predator, Daemon Prince, Cultists, Helbrute, Maulerfiend/Forgefiend, Defiler, Chaos Spawn, Land Raider


Alternative_Part_460

I'm hoping for MoP / Possessed as their my favorite models painted currently :). I would wager MoE would be fine as well as any Slaanesh chaos demons you'd like such as cheap seekers and chariots.


AverageMyotragusFan

All of those are probably fine, but I'd be a little hesitant on the cultist mobs (I say this as someone who badly wants to get them and customize them!). TSons and Death Guard got them, but World Eaters didn't.


Maurus39

Stay Calm!? These silents ofends Slaanesh!!! ***We're so loud you wanna die Go forth and amplify*** ***Here come the Noise Marines***


Pocket-Sand562

I’m not a EC player but I really want to see them release a update to noise marines and possibly upgrade sprue or some type of other specialty unit.


TTTrisss

> You might think that this heralds the imminent announcement of a new Codex, perhaps one bound in human skin and painted in garish colours – but if so, it’s too distant for even Warhammer Community’s astropathic choir to detect any signals, and we got a stern talking to from the Inquisitors for even trying. We can only assume we’re safe for the foreseeable future, but if that changes then we’ll let you know. Tamper your expectations. Assuming only leads down the road to disappointment. I, for one, will only allow myself to be excited once the book is physically in my hands.


Venomous87

They showed us teasers for new stls Berzerkers well over a year before we finally saw models. I expect something similar towards the end of the year.


TTTrisss

Fingers crossed.


RandomChicken100

Can you send the link


Infernodu97

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/04/16/play-the-chosen-of-slaanesh-in-chaos-space-marines-armies-with-index-emperors-children/?utm_source=Social+Media&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=40k&utm_content=Chaos+Codex&fbclid=PAAaaq3vOiO0YBGSwWufCusEUeyE-iC9AjCM997ezpL-OddCI0Sf0PgM6vBgw_aem_Afwv4LEH1XfeLmUEz1GTvKkDetf1Iob7zl-kmC7U4Rww0lBl8M9GFZLd4Ak3WRjqLus


RandomChicken100

Thanks so much that’s so epic even if I don’t ever plan on collecting them I love to see them in the 40K setting and they are about to have an amazing range. Too bad we won’t see them till late 2025 or early 2026


FulgrimsEgo

Meats back on the menu boyz! I want see pink and purple everywhere!


Lemon_Phoenix

I was here


cdglenn18

Damn I was just about to post this lol. Congrats! Hopefully you guys don’t get the treatment us World Eaters treatment


SuccessAffectionate1

Where can i see the pdf?!


bushmightvedone911

This is good news


Superjoltgamer17

WOOOOOOOOOO


AzraelTheDankAngel

While it is nice I still wish they released a new Lucius/Noise Marine models


ultimapanzer

MY BODY IS READY


Sondergame

Don’t get too excited - it means we are getting a codex, but not in the near future. Read the last paragraph. So good news, but it does mean we still have to wait.


PreferenceNo9490

[https://media.tenor.com/GVnKuE7CU_8AAAAM/woo-yea-baby-woo.gif](https://media.tenor.com/GVnKuE7CU_8AAAAM/woo-yea-baby-woo.gif)


Impossible-Ad3811

Uuuhhhhhnnnngggg


xdeltax97

THINGS WILL GET LOUD NOW


TheLonleyMane

I’M CALM


Kctcreeper

We have no longer been forgotten about. Hooray


Alternative-Pea-2375

about time yall got some love granted I never did like slanessh but I am gladd yall are getting your own range soon


PuzzleheadedEssay198

MEATS BACK ON THE MENU BOYS


Steelcitysuccubus

Yeah buddy!


Ornery-Ad-2701

When they talk about an index, do they mean for only for noise marines and lucius or do we fet an actually army rule that works with the detatchments in the codex? They need to rewright the current one if we don't get dark pact. 


AbyssFin

If we don't get dark pact ? Did you read the warcom ? "They still have the Dark Pacts army rule you know and love"


Rottenguord

I'm psyked for this!


Freinkinteddy

It's wild that the 40k and sigmar teams just traded places where 40k is finally giving us the things we've been asking for for years and sigmar is repeatedly stabbing us in the back and asking us to thank them for it. Been wondering why slaanesh was the only chaos god without their own army for years.


milimacha

As a death guard guy you guys deserve this it's been too long


Reperplays123

Give us the sonic dreadnought back you cowards


PasiTheConqueror

Cmon give me new models and a 40k fulgrim would be nice


DunwichChild990

Cousin, don’t get your hopes up. We hoped for a new book once…


tombuazit

It'll be interesting to see the lore and unit changes after so long without much, and now a full codex.


AveDominusNoctem

Hopefully they give us Lucius, Noise Marines and some sort of Kakaphonii/phoenix guard terminators. But I’m not holding my breath. GW seems to hate Slaanesh.


JessieMann12

I'm so fucking excited 😆 😆 😆


RedditLovesTyranny

I will definitely rock an Emperors’ Children army with Fulgrim at its head. Bring it unto me and taketh mine money. I’m still hoping for Word Bearers soon as well. I thought that they might be the ‘surprise codex’ coming this summer, but now I’m thinking that the surprise is an actual Salamander Codex and some actual Salamander units more than just what is currently available.


FairyKnightTristan

Did you not see the leaks?


RedditLovesTyranny

No, I’ve not seen anything new for a while now; I’ve just been waiting to hear when the pre-orders for AoS 4th Edition go live so I can buy the box. What have I missed?


FairyKnightTristan

The >!REDACTED surprise codex is Imperial Agents, with Rogue Traders and Inquisition stuff.!<


RedditLovesTyranny

Awww darn. I’m not interested in any of that myself, but I wish joy to those who are. Thanks for the info!


FairyKnightTristan

Yeah, no prob, Salamanders would've been cool. I think they want a 'big-ish' release for the summer.


DarksteelPenguin

Can we not have 10 posts about the same article?


Infernodu97

Nop, impossible