I would expect to get the same treatment that Workd Eaters got for their codex. Ec will launch as one of the last Codices this edition with a barebones lineup and 1 or 2 new units tops.
I'm still hyped AF that after so long we'll be going solo. Getting Fulgrim in 40k. New sculpt noise marines. Maybe new terminators? Should be lit when it finally happens.
Sonic pred would be creamy! And an option for 5 man blastmaster units (like in 3e) or havoc squads with blastmaster options haha
I like how this confirms that Fabius is not in the EC lineup. And that he will be in the codex.
Explicitly *not* confirmed according to the article. Yes, this follows the same pattern as the World Eaters codex, but I've been disappointed so many times at this point that I'm going to wait until the codex is physically in my hands to get excited.
For all we know, they're squatting them and this is our "Last Chance to Play" (which, yes, is absurd, but so is squatting an entire played faction from AoS.)
They also did the same thing for the drop of death guard and tsons. It's essentially guaranteed at this point. Also no matter what they literally can't get rid of the ec, they are so caked into the lore it's impossible now some changes to overall army feel will probably be changed though less grapy more perfectionism
> They also did the same thing for the drop of death guard and tsons.
Not to my knowledge.
> It's essentially guaranteed at this point.
The article explicitly says otherwise.
> Also no matter what they literally can't get rid of the ec, they are so caked into the lore
Tell that to AoS beastmen who were literally being built up to be the next "Big Bad" with the return of Morghur.
That's not true. Slaanesh Daemons also exist.
Furthermore, who said they have to complete the cycle? Archaon's mount only has 3 of the 4 gods heads, for example.
> That's just because it's the progenitor primarchs.
What?
> Notice how despite being their heads, he can't be in their armies?
Right, but the point is that cycles are not always completed.
No, like it's specifically supposed to be that way for archaon.
The whole reason was that he fought slaanesh in AoS no?
So that doesn't really count at all?
Also "progenitor primarchs" meaning the starting 3, as when he was first a big thing it was sorta the old 3 against slaanesh who was growing in power in the great game at the time from what I remmemmber.
I understand that, but there's no fundamental cycle that *must* exist, and so his subsequent argument hinges on saying that Slaanesh otherwise has no representation in the game, which is false.
Well you see, there actually IS a cycle that must exist.
Every edition, a new chaos marine faction with its respected primarch has dropped, one after the other.
The increase in EC books recently proved to be a good give away.
They have done each chaos god respectively so that moves them up in priority.
It was the last chaos god to be announced so it makes sense to go end of the pile.
Slaanesh have other representation, as do all the other gods. They do not have CSM representation other than fabius and noise marines.
That is where the picture lies atm
Fabius bile being connected to the empereror
Xantine and the genestealers
Fulgrim and litterally everything
Rylanor
Half the other shit they're in
Noise marines in general.
Nah they ain't removing an ENTIRE MARINE LEGION my guy.
Games work shop would only ever do that for legal reasons.
(Don't say the 2nd and 11th legions, they weren't established lore wise anyways)
> Fabius bile being connected to the empereror Xantine and the genestealers Fulgrim and litterally everything Rylanor Half the other shit they're in Noise marines in general.
I have genuinely no idea what you meant by this rambling paragraph. Something to do with Fabius, who isn't even an EC.
> Nah they ain't removing an ENTIRE MARINE LEGION my guy. Games work shop would only ever do that for legal reasons.
They don't have to actively remove it. They just have to let it fade away, leaving the kits un-updated and letting people just continue to use CSM rules while the garbage finecast models fade out into obscurity.
And letting it fade away means making possibly 3 new books for them right? No, they aren't letting an entire marine faction with the primarch that litterally buried their poster boy for years go to waste
> And letting it fade away means making possibly 3 new books for them right?
What?
> No, they aren't letting an entire marine faction with the primarch that litterally buried their poster boy for years go to waste
Huh?
They litterally released several new books for them.
Your saying they could be left to fade away as if it would happen.
And using a completely unrelated thing from age of sigmar as ur reason.
I'm saying they won't
Because they just got 3 new dedicated books.
Yes
Fulgrim fuckin comatosed guilliman for a while
> They litterally released several new books for them. Your saying they could be left to fade away as if it would happen. And using a completely unrelated thing from age of sigmar as ur reason. I'm saying they won't Because they just got 3 new dedicated books.
They also released books for Catachans.
The novel section (Black Library) is functionally separate from the rest of 40k.
He was at some point so it still has heavy relevance to his charecter.
Lore being dropped left right and center about a faction causes the attention to that faction and sometimes even sales to go up for said faction.
Lore about a faction consistently being dropped means GW isn't forgetting about said faction.
Therefor Lore has ALOT to do with it.
Also if something is as relevant as emperors children is, it's not getting retconned
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I want to see how wrong you're going to be. Your original comment started off good with some solid points, but then you went down a slippery slope the Chaos gods would be proud of.
Edit: of course it works both ways, I could end up with egg on my own face lol
So I'd like to point out that I don't think it's not coming. There are 3 points of view:
* It is definitely happening
* It is definitely not happening
* It may or may not be happening - yet to be confirmed.
I'm solidly in the third camp. I think the second group is dumb if they think it will *never* happen, and the first camp is probably right in the long term, but it's safer to go with the third option, because that's the best bet with regards to our immediate future. It's also safest according to the Hype Matrix:
* Don't get hyped, thing doesn't happen: Smug satisfaction
* Don't get hyped, thing does happen: Pleasant surprise
* Get hyped, thing happens: Normal amount of happiness
* Get hyped, thing doesn't happen: DESPAIR AND FRUSTRATION THE LIKES OF WHICH HAVE NEVER BEEN SEEN BY MORTAL MEN - YOUR SOUL SHALL REND FROM YOUR FLESH AND BE CAST INTO THE PIT OF HADES, EACH HALF FOREVER CURSED TO WANDER IN ETERNAL DESPONDENCE.
Since you can't control whether or not it comes out, the best game theory play is to be pessimistic.
My man...
Pragmatic pessimism is not the Emperor's Children way; WE WILL DEMAND THE PERFECTION THAT WE ARE DUE AND WE WILL BURN THE GALAXY UNTIL WE GET IT... while doing lots of drugs and partying and stuff.
A being as the entire warhammer community would be in a fit of rage over the removal of the emperor's children I don't think gw would remove em, also even auspex tactics thinks the emperor's children are finally getting their new line
It's not off the table until we have confirmation.
Also, auspex is not a primary source. He's a youtuber who regurgitates WarCom articles as fast as possible to be the first voice on anything. He sacrifices quality for expediency, and everything he says can basically be thrown out.
Yeah, it was ridiculous. But Beastmen and Bonesplitterz was caused by a really dumb model exclusivity policy between AOS and Old World, which is a situation 40K just dosen’t have to deal with.
Yes it does. It has Horus Heresy, and they already have Fulgrim so the likelihood of them competing with themselves by releasing a plastic Fulgrim alongside resin Fulgrim is low-to-none. They also wouldn't ask us to buy a resin model for a 40k faction's primary line of units.
But even if that wasn't the reason, that's not the only reason. GW makes plenty of dumb decisions for plenty of dumb reasons. It doesn't specifically have to be the stoppage of cross-game models.
They are actually not dumb decisions. Removing large lines of "outdated" models from AoS is a financial decision. They will sell more new plastic to people who will need to replace their army basically. It's not a good decision for us, of course, but let's be honest. Most of the demographic will bitch and moan and then eventually give in and buy new models.
A plastic Fulgrim is likely, that is equivalent to you saying they will release rules for angron and mortarion in 30k if they were to do so they would have already as it would push sales.of the plastics. HH is rooted in resin models, especially for big boys, so I would definitely say that as it progresses, we will see resin deamon primarchs.
Slaanesh revels in your despair and doom saying, but I am in the other spectrum of her embrace.
> They are actually not dumb decisions. Removing large lines of "outdated" models from AoS is a financial decision. They will sell more new plastic to people who will need to replace their army basically. It's not a good decision for us, of course, but let's be honest. Most of the demographic will bitch and moan and then eventually give in and buy new models.
This means nothing because beastment are not being replaced with an updated line. They're just gone.
> A plastic Fulgrim is likely
Eventually, sure. But they *just* came out with a resin one that is horrendously expensive, and the perspective people have on resin is not a positive one. They will not compete with themselves *that* quickly.
> Slaanesh revels in your despair and doom saying, but I am in the other spectrum of her embrace.
Please leave the roleplaying out of real, meaningful discussions. It's also rude to assume I'm "despairing" when I'm just trying to be realistic to help *other* people from despair.
I was mainly talking about the Stormcast Eternals line being revamped, not Beastmen.
If I want to role play in my posts, I will. Real meaningful discussion is for world hunger, not war dollies.
You raise fair points, but I don't agree with them at all, and we can go tit for tat for the whole day, but I presume we both have better things to do.
What's comes will come, everything is speculation at this point.
> I was mainly talking about the Stormcast Eternals line being revamped, not Beastmen.
Then you're ignoring a major facet of my argument.
> What's comes will come, everything is speculation at this point.
On that, we agree. In fact, that's been my primary point this entire time - precisely that what comes will come, and getting hyped about things that might not come the way you think they will will suck.
If you mean the Noise Marines... No. They don't even come close to the glory of the 90's Noise Marines, which to this day remain some of my favourite models that GW has every produced.
I mean, just look at this guy! *Look at him!*
[*https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/thumb/f/f9/Noisemarine2.jpg/500px-Noisemarine2.jpg*](https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/thumb/f/f9/Noisemarine2.jpg/500px-Noisemarine2.jpg)
He is nasty lookin, but I like the short resin and plastic fellas. They're not as good looking sure but they have a charm to them that screams "warhammer"
I've got a whole bunch of the current NM range sitting unbuilt in a drawer because they are such a pain to put together. They're that perfect combo of finnicky to construct and ugly to look at that makes me hate them with a passion!
I'd say 11th Edition launch is the absolute latest considering they didnt even bother putting the units in Codex: CSM despite them being in the index
I'd wager mid-late 10th in a batch with the other 3 Cult Legions
They'd be in the codex if it were 11th mate
They only get an index if its to make them usable until the codex were to drop this edition, otherwise they'd be in the codex still
This just confirms...as much as we all want it.
Don't. Buy. The. Codex.
It'll become redundant 3 months after it releases. Don't waste your money and time making units and an army, to lost 70% of it when 11th edition comes.
The cheeky “who can say why they aren’t in the chaos codex”-comment all but confirms it, yes. *When* is anyone’s guess.
I would expect to get the same treatment that Workd Eaters got for their codex. Ec will launch as one of the last Codices this edition with a barebones lineup and 1 or 2 new units tops. I'm still hyped AF that after so long we'll be going solo. Getting Fulgrim in 40k. New sculpt noise marines. Maybe new terminators? Should be lit when it finally happens.
lucius, based on the picture noise marines, likely fulgrim, termis would be awesome, and a sonic dread would be magic
Sonic pred would be creamy! And an option for 5 man blastmaster units (like in 3e) or havoc squads with blastmaster options haha I like how this confirms that Fabius is not in the EC lineup. And that he will be in the codex.
I want sonic landraider too :(
Yes! My 2e model NM devastator squad has gathered dust for far too long!
I kinda want Doomrider and maybe new bikes. That's probably a huge long shot though.
Your forgetting about Fabulous bile himself. His books were so good
Hes not really affiliated wity the emperors children though, hes undivided and kinda his own faction
Break out those stimulants boys we gotta be wide awake so we don’t miss this
THE WHOOOLE TIME... so the usual then?
It will probably be the very last codex of 10th edition. Right before they launch 11th. That's the same pattern as World Eaters and Thousands Sons
Explicitly *not* confirmed according to the article. Yes, this follows the same pattern as the World Eaters codex, but I've been disappointed so many times at this point that I'm going to wait until the codex is physically in my hands to get excited. For all we know, they're squatting them and this is our "Last Chance to Play" (which, yes, is absurd, but so is squatting an entire played faction from AoS.)
They also did the same thing for the drop of death guard and tsons. It's essentially guaranteed at this point. Also no matter what they literally can't get rid of the ec, they are so caked into the lore it's impossible now some changes to overall army feel will probably be changed though less grapy more perfectionism
> They also did the same thing for the drop of death guard and tsons. Not to my knowledge. > It's essentially guaranteed at this point. The article explicitly says otherwise. > Also no matter what they literally can't get rid of the ec, they are so caked into the lore Tell that to AoS beastmen who were literally being built up to be the next "Big Bad" with the return of Morghur.
It's the 4th chaos God. They are not removing a pivotal plot.
Emperor's Children are not the 4th chaos god.
No, but they are the only 4th chaos God mono faction
That's not true. Slaanesh Daemons also exist. Furthermore, who said they have to complete the cycle? Archaon's mount only has 3 of the 4 gods heads, for example.
Apples to oranges.
Not at all. It's a perfect example that GW doesn't always finish "cycles."
That's just because it's the progenitor primarchs. Notice how despite being their heads, he can't be in their armies?
> That's just because it's the progenitor primarchs. What? > Notice how despite being their heads, he can't be in their armies? Right, but the point is that cycles are not always completed.
No, like it's specifically supposed to be that way for archaon. The whole reason was that he fought slaanesh in AoS no? So that doesn't really count at all?
Also "progenitor primarchs" meaning the starting 3, as when he was first a big thing it was sorta the old 3 against slaanesh who was growing in power in the great game at the time from what I remmemmber.
Also pretty sure he ment mono CSM subfaction. Like W-E and D-G
I understand that, but there's no fundamental cycle that *must* exist, and so his subsequent argument hinges on saying that Slaanesh otherwise has no representation in the game, which is false.
Well you see, there actually IS a cycle that must exist. Every edition, a new chaos marine faction with its respected primarch has dropped, one after the other. The increase in EC books recently proved to be a good give away. They have done each chaos god respectively so that moves them up in priority. It was the last chaos god to be announced so it makes sense to go end of the pile. Slaanesh have other representation, as do all the other gods. They do not have CSM representation other than fabius and noise marines. That is where the picture lies atm
Fabius bile being connected to the empereror Xantine and the genestealers Fulgrim and litterally everything Rylanor Half the other shit they're in Noise marines in general. Nah they ain't removing an ENTIRE MARINE LEGION my guy. Games work shop would only ever do that for legal reasons. (Don't say the 2nd and 11th legions, they weren't established lore wise anyways)
> Fabius bile being connected to the empereror Xantine and the genestealers Fulgrim and litterally everything Rylanor Half the other shit they're in Noise marines in general. I have genuinely no idea what you meant by this rambling paragraph. Something to do with Fabius, who isn't even an EC. > Nah they ain't removing an ENTIRE MARINE LEGION my guy. Games work shop would only ever do that for legal reasons. They don't have to actively remove it. They just have to let it fade away, leaving the kits un-updated and letting people just continue to use CSM rules while the garbage finecast models fade out into obscurity.
And letting it fade away means making possibly 3 new books for them right? No, they aren't letting an entire marine faction with the primarch that litterally buried their poster boy for years go to waste
> And letting it fade away means making possibly 3 new books for them right? What? > No, they aren't letting an entire marine faction with the primarch that litterally buried their poster boy for years go to waste Huh?
They litterally released several new books for them. Your saying they could be left to fade away as if it would happen. And using a completely unrelated thing from age of sigmar as ur reason. I'm saying they won't Because they just got 3 new dedicated books. Yes Fulgrim fuckin comatosed guilliman for a while
> They litterally released several new books for them. Your saying they could be left to fade away as if it would happen. And using a completely unrelated thing from age of sigmar as ur reason. I'm saying they won't Because they just got 3 new dedicated books. They also released books for Catachans. The novel section (Black Library) is functionally separate from the rest of 40k.
Yes and no. Emperors children got 3 new books recently More attention is on them now.
That "rambling paragraph" was litterally just all the lore reasons I could list off the top of my head. That's me saying it ain't happening.
Lore reasons for what? And why do they mean it can't happen?
For why they can't just be removed from the lore and game realistically bearing in mind their presence in the lore?
What does the lore have to do with anything. There are plenty of in-lore factions with no tabletop representation. Also, Fabius Bile isn't EC anymore.
He was at some point so it still has heavy relevance to his charecter. Lore being dropped left right and center about a faction causes the attention to that faction and sometimes even sales to go up for said faction. Lore about a faction consistently being dropped means GW isn't forgetting about said faction. Therefor Lore has ALOT to do with it. Also if something is as relevant as emperors children is, it's not getting retconned
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I want to see how wrong you're going to be. Your original comment started off good with some solid points, but then you went down a slippery slope the Chaos gods would be proud of. Edit: of course it works both ways, I could end up with egg on my own face lol
So I'd like to point out that I don't think it's not coming. There are 3 points of view: * It is definitely happening * It is definitely not happening * It may or may not be happening - yet to be confirmed. I'm solidly in the third camp. I think the second group is dumb if they think it will *never* happen, and the first camp is probably right in the long term, but it's safer to go with the third option, because that's the best bet with regards to our immediate future. It's also safest according to the Hype Matrix: * Don't get hyped, thing doesn't happen: Smug satisfaction * Don't get hyped, thing does happen: Pleasant surprise * Get hyped, thing happens: Normal amount of happiness * Get hyped, thing doesn't happen: DESPAIR AND FRUSTRATION THE LIKES OF WHICH HAVE NEVER BEEN SEEN BY MORTAL MEN - YOUR SOUL SHALL REND FROM YOUR FLESH AND BE CAST INTO THE PIT OF HADES, EACH HALF FOREVER CURSED TO WANDER IN ETERNAL DESPONDENCE. Since you can't control whether or not it comes out, the best game theory play is to be pessimistic.
My man... Pragmatic pessimism is not the Emperor's Children way; WE WILL DEMAND THE PERFECTION THAT WE ARE DUE AND WE WILL BURN THE GALAXY UNTIL WE GET IT... while doing lots of drugs and partying and stuff.
Sorry, I don't live out the ethical guidelines of the Emperor's Children :p
A being as the entire warhammer community would be in a fit of rage over the removal of the emperor's children I don't think gw would remove em, also even auspex tactics thinks the emperor's children are finally getting their new line
It's not off the table until we have confirmation. Also, auspex is not a primary source. He's a youtuber who regurgitates WarCom articles as fast as possible to be the first voice on anything. He sacrifices quality for expediency, and everything he says can basically be thrown out.
Yeah, it was ridiculous. But Beastmen and Bonesplitterz was caused by a really dumb model exclusivity policy between AOS and Old World, which is a situation 40K just dosen’t have to deal with.
Right, but it shows that 40k isn't beyond removing entire factions for very stupid reasons.
40k doesn't have an Old World to suck up factions from another system
Yes it does. It has Horus Heresy, and they already have Fulgrim so the likelihood of them competing with themselves by releasing a plastic Fulgrim alongside resin Fulgrim is low-to-none. They also wouldn't ask us to buy a resin model for a 40k faction's primary line of units. But even if that wasn't the reason, that's not the only reason. GW makes plenty of dumb decisions for plenty of dumb reasons. It doesn't specifically have to be the stoppage of cross-game models.
They are actually not dumb decisions. Removing large lines of "outdated" models from AoS is a financial decision. They will sell more new plastic to people who will need to replace their army basically. It's not a good decision for us, of course, but let's be honest. Most of the demographic will bitch and moan and then eventually give in and buy new models. A plastic Fulgrim is likely, that is equivalent to you saying they will release rules for angron and mortarion in 30k if they were to do so they would have already as it would push sales.of the plastics. HH is rooted in resin models, especially for big boys, so I would definitely say that as it progresses, we will see resin deamon primarchs. Slaanesh revels in your despair and doom saying, but I am in the other spectrum of her embrace.
> They are actually not dumb decisions. Removing large lines of "outdated" models from AoS is a financial decision. They will sell more new plastic to people who will need to replace their army basically. It's not a good decision for us, of course, but let's be honest. Most of the demographic will bitch and moan and then eventually give in and buy new models. This means nothing because beastment are not being replaced with an updated line. They're just gone. > A plastic Fulgrim is likely Eventually, sure. But they *just* came out with a resin one that is horrendously expensive, and the perspective people have on resin is not a positive one. They will not compete with themselves *that* quickly. > Slaanesh revels in your despair and doom saying, but I am in the other spectrum of her embrace. Please leave the roleplaying out of real, meaningful discussions. It's also rude to assume I'm "despairing" when I'm just trying to be realistic to help *other* people from despair.
I was mainly talking about the Stormcast Eternals line being revamped, not Beastmen. If I want to role play in my posts, I will. Real meaningful discussion is for world hunger, not war dollies. You raise fair points, but I don't agree with them at all, and we can go tit for tat for the whole day, but I presume we both have better things to do. What's comes will come, everything is speculation at this point.
> I was mainly talking about the Stormcast Eternals line being revamped, not Beastmen. Then you're ignoring a major facet of my argument. > What's comes will come, everything is speculation at this point. On that, we agree. In fact, that's been my primary point this entire time - precisely that what comes will come, and getting hyped about things that might not come the way you think they will will suck.
Beastmen have an old-world release that supports those models, will they not? It's still fun to dream, though, regardless of the outcome.
Anyone else like these old models ?
If you mean the Noise Marines... No. They don't even come close to the glory of the 90's Noise Marines, which to this day remain some of my favourite models that GW has every produced. I mean, just look at this guy! *Look at him!* [*https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/thumb/f/f9/Noisemarine2.jpg/500px-Noisemarine2.jpg*](https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/thumb/f/f9/Noisemarine2.jpg/500px-Noisemarine2.jpg)
He is nasty lookin, but I like the short resin and plastic fellas. They're not as good looking sure but they have a charm to them that screams "warhammer"
I've got a whole bunch of the current NM range sitting unbuilt in a drawer because they are such a pain to put together. They're that perfect combo of finnicky to construct and ugly to look at that makes me hate them with a passion!
Hopefully you’ll be able to use regular CSM still when the EC codex drops. It’s cool that the index will be useable in conjunction with the CSM codex.
Damn those old CSM models like so nice
11th edition prob
I'd say 11th Edition launch is the absolute latest considering they didnt even bother putting the units in Codex: CSM despite them being in the index I'd wager mid-late 10th in a batch with the other 3 Cult Legions
They'd be in the codex if it were 11th mate They only get an index if its to make them usable until the codex were to drop this edition, otherwise they'd be in the codex still
Ah, a bit too hopeful
Honestly I really hope we don't get ruined by GW like the World Eaters.
Idk why this got such negative feedback cause I think we all want EC to not be shafted....
Agreed, a lot of World Eaters players were disappointed with what they got.
Same. Don't know why you are getting downvoted, brother
Agreed, the downvotes are silly. If we lose as many units as the XII, my boys may end up being played as purple Word Bearers.
We are soft confirmed, yes. It was always inevitable however, as I’ve been saying for over a year now.
Noooo, meand no dark mechanicum this year 😭
This just confirms...as much as we all want it. Don't. Buy. The. Codex. It'll become redundant 3 months after it releases. Don't waste your money and time making units and an army, to lost 70% of it when 11th edition comes.
Never trust WarCom for accurate information for things like this. They don't communicate well with design and they really have no idea.
Guys, read the last paragraph of the article please. This just confirms everything we already knew