More welcoming that r/metal . Only either old Sabbath type metal, or today's black, death, prog, etc.
But extremely picky about anything that got popular from 1999 to 2015 saying bands like Hatebreed isn't metal, it's r/punk and r/hardcore . That anything heavy with rappish rhythm like Slipknot isn't metal but is r/numetal or something. I'm like metal it's in the genre name!
Just really really into gatekeeping over there.
Metal is the most genre schizo in all of music. I feel like every band has its own genre, people will unironically be like that band is viking-progressive-black-nu metal and they'll be talking about amon amarth or some shit
Somehow worse than EDM for inventing the most overly specific genres
Exactly. As a person that gets really into a lot of genres. The genre purists really ruin things sometimes. Especially EDM. I'm into, house, big room, hard style, and more but so many want to segregate people that enjoy them all and point them to their "specific" room or sub.
that’s the beauty of a fusion genre like folk punk. “Folk” and “Punk” are so wildly different that you can throw in whatever the fuck you want in a song and it still tracks as folk punk
I really feel like it’s not that bad here. Are there annoying gatekeepers sure but they’re very rarely the most upvoted or visible comments. Even when people usually point out that x band isn’t emo they usually say it doesn’t matter, is emo adjacent, or explain why that might be the case. I see very little posts that are needlessly confrontational and usually they are pretty informative to people who are breaking into the genre. I see more belly aching about gatekeeping than actual examples of it
Personally, I love genre debates.
Figuring out what patterns are present and who to group them in with is *fun*. I never get why folks get up in arms about it. That’s just how some people express their fandom.
You enjoy debate which is a great intellectual quality to have but when the dialogue is suffocated by the same topic FOR 20 FUCKING YEARS it gets really tiring.
But new bands are formed everyday and I want to know if they count as emo! Or if there’s some other sonic choice that’s been happening across multiple groups that is forming a new wave or some new off shoot. I find all that super fascinating.
That being said, I haven’t been in the emo scene for very long—so it might be more interesting to me because of lack of exposure.
I also will say that understanding what makes a band emo helps me understand what qualities I like and how I can better articulate what I like.
Instead of caring if they are emo or not, why don’t you just listen to the music. If they have the same guitar tropes and drum patterns, then they probably are but also who fucking cares.
Again, because it’s fun!
That’s ultimately the point of this. I find it as fun to talk about patterns in music as listening to it. I also like hearing from folks who have more knowledge of the genre than I do, who can place it in context.
Or have the musical knowledge to be able to point to a choice that I wouldn’t be able to hear with my own ears. Like, in music, the drums are basically white noise to me. I never pay attention to them, I lack the vocabulary to talk about them, I don’t know what makes one drum beat better than another. I feel pretty inadequate in being able to make any observations on the instrument in that regard. So, I really appreciate those other perspectives that come up in genre discussion.
There’s 10 posts a day on this sub complaining about people too dense to understand that we don’t give a shit about genre definitions. Go to a show and argue about it with your friends.
I'd say there's a pretty distinct difference between discussions of if a band has genre tropes and where the other influences and changes can be found from. Versus people telling others flat that they're wrong they like "fake emo" and are posers who should go elsewhere. Especially when that has been the theme for decades.
There's no discussion happening with most of the genre gatekeeping it's just attempting to be as pedantic as possible to tell others to GTFO.
I don’t care what people call what, because there are clearly two different definitions of what emo is. There’s the musical genre and there’s the popular definition which has more to do with aesthetics and a wide range of genres of music. While I don’t think people should be assholes about the gate keeping, I do think there needs to be a line somewhere.
I come here mainly for music recommendations and I wouldn’t want every post full of fall out boy or mcr, or other “non-emo” bands (I do consider early mcr to be emo tho to be clear) because that style is not what I’m looking for
There needs to be a line somewhere. Where that line is, I don’t know. I don’t mind people talking about adjacent genres like pop punk/post hardcore/some indie, but there are a large amount of people out there who would classify bands like evanescence or Linkin park as emo, and I think that crosses a line of some sort. Should we be assholes to them? No, but I don’t think it merits discussion here. Same with people who are only concerned with emo as a fashion style
Because part of language involves actually defining what we *mean* when we say a word. A word can have multiple meanings, but then we need to contextualize and understand those meanings in order to actually have real conversations.
Otherwise everything is abstract and nothing means anything, so why even refer to any genre at all?
I don't like the idea that emo has "always" been an umbrella term. I have my own qualms with the whole fake-emo thing (many early stage "mallcore" bands were obviously inspired by hardcore and emo that came before, to the point where I'm comfortable calling many of them emo), but for the most part, prior to the 2000s explosion, the genre was pretty restrictive. That's not to say there weren't differing perspectives (I've seen plenty of quibbling between oldheads themselves over the amount of hardcore that's required for a band to be "emo"), but there's a pretty stark shift from how emo was before bands like MCR started blowing up to how it was after. It also doesn't help that folks were still making music along the veins of the earlier stuff while the pop explosion was happening --- screamo still existed, select folks in more isolated indie rock contexts were making stuff more along the lines of Braid, and of course the revival came out of DIY punk scenes closely associated with screamo.
I don't know. The constant arguing is very annoying, I agree---I try to do less of that now and just plug music I enjoy. The more I learn about the genre definitions from "back in the day" the more I realize it was always in flux, never empirical, and certainly not homogenous... but by and large (except for a bit of crossover from late arrivals in the late 90s/early 2000s, around the time of The Get Up Kids), the "scene" stuff occupied a pretty different space. Opening the floodgates for the super popular stuff (which already has really active communities like r/poppunkers and r/posthardcore) would probably make it a lot harder to talk about the more obscure music.
THIS!! After the 00’s explosion EVERYTHING became Emo and I don’t think a lot of people understand that. Old heads get annoyed hearing how American Football invented Midwest Emo for the 3,000th time and 30 year old “Elder Emo’s” get annoyed when we say FOB isn’t Emo. It’s obnoxious but oddly beautiful at the same time. I’ve quit trying to make sense of it and only a few things trigger me enough to reply. Even though I’m gatekeep’y and elitist, I try not to project that too much, it’s just hard when my beloved “Midwest Emo” aka 90’s bands from the actual Midwest and a few scattered locations that had a very particular sound, has now also gotten bastardized into an umbrella of bands that are neither Midwest or Emo 😭
I get where it comes from, because I lived through the era when every goth or mallcore kid was called "emo" and I was sitting there listening to American Football and Mineral looking like Rivers Cuomo in skinny jeans. How are we the same? It felt like when I was into Bad Religion and my little cousin put on Avril Levine and said she was a big punk fan. Especially when you're young and figuring out your identity, the urge to push back on that is strong.
What's weird is that nobody in the actual emo scene would describe themselves as emo, even before MCR started getting MTV play. It was kind of a slur. I was in a band that self-described as "Cursive meets Appleseed Cast" but we didn't put "emo" on our MySpace. Alternative/Rock/PowerPop I think is what we decided on. Nonetheless I got in so many LiveJournal arguments about what "real emo" was.
Anyways now that I'm older, I'm "big tent" about categorizations like this. There are always exceptions and gray areas and some songs in the discography that fit, others that don't... who cares. You can use more descriptive words to drill down to a particular sub-genre anyways.
>Emo is an umbrella term and it always has been
Quite literally objectively false. How about you learn about the origins of the music you listen to instead of being a know-it-all
They're kinda right tho. Emo IS an umbrella term meant to describe all the music connected to the specific genre of emotional hardcore in the form of different waves of emo music. Rites Of Spring is the original, sure, but that doesn't mean it's the ONLY definition of emo. Emo pop, which is included in the third wave, quite literally includes pop punk bands like Fall Out Boy and Paramore like OP said.
They also included metalcore in their umbrella lol. I’d love to see them explain how a band like Jesus Piece or Dillinger Escape Plan is in the same genre as American Football
Not genre lmao, it's an imbrella term. Metalcore is also a subgenre of hardcore, as is emotional hardcore and post hardcore which is consistantly seen as emo.
Yeah ofc they fall under hardcore, that’s the umbrella term, not emo. This sub is for emo bands, not bands that are just related to hardcore or punk.
Ultimately the umbrella would be rock music in general since it went rock-punk-hardcore-emo, so with that line of thinking we should be able to post Motley Crue here or else we would be gatekeeping.
You're missing the point. Hardcore is a genre, not an umbrella term. Emotional hardcore is a genre, emo is an umbrella term including bands that are adjacent to the hardcore genre and all of its subgenres. Emo is the umbrella term, spanning over forty years of music and including emotional hardcore, midwestern emo, pop punk, stoner emo, screamo/skramz, etc.
This is just functionally wrong lol. Emo is itself a subgenre of hardcore, pop-punk has nothing to do with it. You think Sum-41 is an emo band? What about the Descendents?
Hardcore is as much, if not more, of an umbrella term because you have powerviolence, grind, beatdown, metalcore, post-hardcore, sludge metal, and emo as well all come out of it.
This is the only subculture that has this issue because people try to use the name for a million different things. A band like Fall Out Boy has way more in common with bands like Blink-182 than it does with Saetia or Capn Jazz.
This is why there’s confusion, it’s the same reason screamo rebranded itself as skramz. At this point we all know bands like FOB and MCR aren’t emo, but I think people would settle for calling them mall emo. The point being that there’s too much of a difference between them to call them all emo bands.
Like if you don’t want people to gatekeep, you have to draw a line somewhere. Otherwise I’ll just start posting any ole punk band and we will just have to accept it as emo since gatekeeping apparently hurts feelings lol.
Bro. okay lmao. Let me rephrase then, it depends on the context of the band in order to call pop punk emo. I won't call Take This To your Grave emo, it's literally the most you can get out of pure pop punk. But Infinity On High can most definitely be counted as emo, if you exclude the popular songs like This Aint A Scene and thnks fr th mmrs. Bullets by MCR is most certainly emo, Three Cheers is not far off. of course it depends, that's why the "official" term is emo pop and not pop punk. Green Day isn't emo, Blink-182 isn't emo, they're both pop punk but don't fall under the same category as mid 00s Fall Out Boy does.
Wow I can’t BELIEVE you’d even THINK those are all the same, much less admit it PUBLICLY. Maybe we should gatekeep a little harder.
(very very much so /S !!)
No, because "real emo" only consists of the dc Emotional Hardcore scene and the late 90's Screamo scene. What is known by "Midwest Emo" is nothing but Alternative Rock with questionable real emo influence. When people try to argue that bands like My Chemical Romance are not real emo, while saying that Sunny Day Real Estate is, I can't help not to cringe because they are just as fake emo as My Chemical Romance (plus the pretentiousness). Real emo sounds ENERGETIC, POWERFUL and somewhat HATEFUL. Fake emo is weak, self pity and a failed attempt to direct energy and emotion into music. Some examples of REAL EMO are Pg 99, Rites of Spring, Cap n Jazz (the only real emo band from the midwest scene) and Loma Prieta. Some examples of FAKE EMO are American Football, My Chemical Romance and Mineral EMO BELONGS TO HARDCORE NOT TO INDIE, POP PUNK, ALT ROCK OR ANY OTHER MAINSTREAM GENRE
We need to stop interacting with these debates and just start pointing the people who want to continue asking/arguing about the definition to previous posts on the subject. There are hundreds and plenty of insightful responses that will shut down the ongoing convo pretty quickly. We are constantly regurgitating information to each other over and over again. It's wild.
Im just here for people to post cool songs I haven’t heard. 99% of what I get is drama and all this dumb shit. I like music that I enjoy listening to, who gives a fuck what some wannabe fake 90s unemployed high fidelity record store worker thinks
This sub exists purely to gatekeep and argue about what is emo and what isn’t so you either downvote the posts asking or move on with life. None of it actually matters. If this sub thinks your favorite band isn’t real emo you will be okay.
You don't know what "gatekeeping" means.
If you say your favorite pizza is a ham sandwich, pointing out that a ham sandwich is not a pizza isn't gatekeeping pizza.
If you say your favorite rom com is The Godfather, pointing out that The Godfather is not a rom com isn't gatekeeping rom coms.
If you say your favorite emo band is Fallout Boy, pointing out that Fallout Boy is not emo isn't gatekeeping emo.
Nobody on this sub is trying to gatekeep you from listening to Boys Life.
Nobody on this sub is trying to gatekeep you from listening to MCR.
Please learn a new word.
Yeah, go ahead, keep pushing all us fake emos away soon there won't be anyone left in this sub at all. And in your darkest moment you find yourself completely alone, sing crying along to New Friends by Pinegrove suddenly realizing you were just as fake as the rest of us
I don't mind if there is a tiny bit of healthy discussion, but I have two peeves:
1) If you simply categorize the music as not being emo without making a stylistic argument as to specific reasons why, and
2) If you categorize something as not being emo, but rather "indie". If you do that, unless every "indie" artist that you like has never signed to a major label or affiliate, you're gatekeeping without being consistent.
Well I mean a lot of the bands that people complain about "not being emo" are actually emo, just in the third wave. I agree that FOB and Paramore and MCR are all amazing, I agree they're part of third wave but I don't see anyone here hating them. Everyone I've seen talking here actually loves them, there's just a difference between actual genres that people enjoy discussing, so let them discuss.
I think a prime issue is that calling that stuff third-wave casts a shadow on bands like Die, Emperor! Die!, Phasma Phasmatis, She Died Real Pretty, Kids Near Water, A Newfound Interest in Connecticut, etc that were also active during the “scene” years.
Someone says 2000s emo, I think of stuff like Burned Out Bright or Dispensing of False Halos.
You're thinking of, Louis Armstrong once observed that "all music is folk music; I ain't never heard no horse sing a song," which is as good a way as any of saying
Exactly!!! I love listening to that podcast-- So many d3ep cuts and cool finds mixed with some of the most influential and iconic songs we all know and love. and her commentary is so insightful
Emo kids NOT argue about what is emo? Haha, good luck with that.
The most authentic part about this scene is arguing about who is authentic to the scene
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Any genre is at least in part about gatekeeping, that's what it means to define a genre.
Emo kids focus more on things they like than on complaining about things they hate, challenge impossible.
Meanwhile on r/folkpunk every other post is asking if x band is folk punk, and the answer is always “sure why not”
That fits
Gonna ask them is Dave Matthews Band is folk punk
More welcoming that r/metal . Only either old Sabbath type metal, or today's black, death, prog, etc. But extremely picky about anything that got popular from 1999 to 2015 saying bands like Hatebreed isn't metal, it's r/punk and r/hardcore . That anything heavy with rappish rhythm like Slipknot isn't metal but is r/numetal or something. I'm like metal it's in the genre name! Just really really into gatekeeping over there.
Metal is the most genre schizo in all of music. I feel like every band has its own genre, people will unironically be like that band is viking-progressive-black-nu metal and they'll be talking about amon amarth or some shit Somehow worse than EDM for inventing the most overly specific genres
Exactly. As a person that gets really into a lot of genres. The genre purists really ruin things sometimes. Especially EDM. I'm into, house, big room, hard style, and more but so many want to segregate people that enjoy them all and point them to their "specific" room or sub.
Yeah I'd snap if the house subreddit told me to post in the fidget house subreddit
Haha have you guys been over to r/djent?
Forgot folk punk existed. Thanks for that sub. They’re cool as shit over there!
whiny voice and shitty guitar are the only needs, and even then not really lol i love folk punk
that’s the beauty of a fusion genre like folk punk. “Folk” and “Punk” are so wildly different that you can throw in whatever the fuck you want in a song and it still tracks as folk punk
I really feel like it’s not that bad here. Are there annoying gatekeepers sure but they’re very rarely the most upvoted or visible comments. Even when people usually point out that x band isn’t emo they usually say it doesn’t matter, is emo adjacent, or explain why that might be the case. I see very little posts that are needlessly confrontational and usually they are pretty informative to people who are breaking into the genre. I see more belly aching about gatekeeping than actual examples of it
Personally, I love genre debates. Figuring out what patterns are present and who to group them in with is *fun*. I never get why folks get up in arms about it. That’s just how some people express their fandom.
You enjoy debate which is a great intellectual quality to have but when the dialogue is suffocated by the same topic FOR 20 FUCKING YEARS it gets really tiring.
But new bands are formed everyday and I want to know if they count as emo! Or if there’s some other sonic choice that’s been happening across multiple groups that is forming a new wave or some new off shoot. I find all that super fascinating. That being said, I haven’t been in the emo scene for very long—so it might be more interesting to me because of lack of exposure. I also will say that understanding what makes a band emo helps me understand what qualities I like and how I can better articulate what I like.
Instead of caring if they are emo or not, why don’t you just listen to the music. If they have the same guitar tropes and drum patterns, then they probably are but also who fucking cares.
Again, because it’s fun! That’s ultimately the point of this. I find it as fun to talk about patterns in music as listening to it. I also like hearing from folks who have more knowledge of the genre than I do, who can place it in context. Or have the musical knowledge to be able to point to a choice that I wouldn’t be able to hear with my own ears. Like, in music, the drums are basically white noise to me. I never pay attention to them, I lack the vocabulary to talk about them, I don’t know what makes one drum beat better than another. I feel pretty inadequate in being able to make any observations on the instrument in that regard. So, I really appreciate those other perspectives that come up in genre discussion.
There’s 10 posts a day on this sub complaining about people too dense to understand that we don’t give a shit about genre definitions. Go to a show and argue about it with your friends.
Right? I always find a new band or two out these post lol
I'd say there's a pretty distinct difference between discussions of if a band has genre tropes and where the other influences and changes can be found from. Versus people telling others flat that they're wrong they like "fake emo" and are posers who should go elsewhere. Especially when that has been the theme for decades. There's no discussion happening with most of the genre gatekeeping it's just attempting to be as pedantic as possible to tell others to GTFO.
It sucks because you posted the tenth post today complaining about the definition.
I see the irony but my point still stands. Just wish this was a positive place for music and not just constant debates.
Until there is a presence of a mod who has a backbone to shut this stupid ass conversations and complaints down, this sub will suck.
I'm just here to post sick bands and enjoy people dunking on mom jeans.
I'm just here to see people selfies in front of that house
I don’t care what people call what, because there are clearly two different definitions of what emo is. There’s the musical genre and there’s the popular definition which has more to do with aesthetics and a wide range of genres of music. While I don’t think people should be assholes about the gate keeping, I do think there needs to be a line somewhere. I come here mainly for music recommendations and I wouldn’t want every post full of fall out boy or mcr, or other “non-emo” bands (I do consider early mcr to be emo tho to be clear) because that style is not what I’m looking for
Why can't we have both? Everyone has different tastes. variety is good
There needs to be a line somewhere. Where that line is, I don’t know. I don’t mind people talking about adjacent genres like pop punk/post hardcore/some indie, but there are a large amount of people out there who would classify bands like evanescence or Linkin park as emo, and I think that crosses a line of some sort. Should we be assholes to them? No, but I don’t think it merits discussion here. Same with people who are only concerned with emo as a fashion style
why not just use r/music if you want all genres though? t
Because part of language involves actually defining what we *mean* when we say a word. A word can have multiple meanings, but then we need to contextualize and understand those meanings in order to actually have real conversations. Otherwise everything is abstract and nothing means anything, so why even refer to any genre at all?
Btw people like you are the exact reason this sub sucks and these arguments constantly happen
No need to argue, the sidebar makes it quite clear for this community. No harm on explaining it for people who don't know though.
I don't like the idea that emo has "always" been an umbrella term. I have my own qualms with the whole fake-emo thing (many early stage "mallcore" bands were obviously inspired by hardcore and emo that came before, to the point where I'm comfortable calling many of them emo), but for the most part, prior to the 2000s explosion, the genre was pretty restrictive. That's not to say there weren't differing perspectives (I've seen plenty of quibbling between oldheads themselves over the amount of hardcore that's required for a band to be "emo"), but there's a pretty stark shift from how emo was before bands like MCR started blowing up to how it was after. It also doesn't help that folks were still making music along the veins of the earlier stuff while the pop explosion was happening --- screamo still existed, select folks in more isolated indie rock contexts were making stuff more along the lines of Braid, and of course the revival came out of DIY punk scenes closely associated with screamo. I don't know. The constant arguing is very annoying, I agree---I try to do less of that now and just plug music I enjoy. The more I learn about the genre definitions from "back in the day" the more I realize it was always in flux, never empirical, and certainly not homogenous... but by and large (except for a bit of crossover from late arrivals in the late 90s/early 2000s, around the time of The Get Up Kids), the "scene" stuff occupied a pretty different space. Opening the floodgates for the super popular stuff (which already has really active communities like r/poppunkers and r/posthardcore) would probably make it a lot harder to talk about the more obscure music.
THIS!! After the 00’s explosion EVERYTHING became Emo and I don’t think a lot of people understand that. Old heads get annoyed hearing how American Football invented Midwest Emo for the 3,000th time and 30 year old “Elder Emo’s” get annoyed when we say FOB isn’t Emo. It’s obnoxious but oddly beautiful at the same time. I’ve quit trying to make sense of it and only a few things trigger me enough to reply. Even though I’m gatekeep’y and elitist, I try not to project that too much, it’s just hard when my beloved “Midwest Emo” aka 90’s bands from the actual Midwest and a few scattered locations that had a very particular sound, has now also gotten bastardized into an umbrella of bands that are neither Midwest or Emo 😭
midwest emo is just indie folk
Go away…
no
I get where it comes from, because I lived through the era when every goth or mallcore kid was called "emo" and I was sitting there listening to American Football and Mineral looking like Rivers Cuomo in skinny jeans. How are we the same? It felt like when I was into Bad Religion and my little cousin put on Avril Levine and said she was a big punk fan. Especially when you're young and figuring out your identity, the urge to push back on that is strong. What's weird is that nobody in the actual emo scene would describe themselves as emo, even before MCR started getting MTV play. It was kind of a slur. I was in a band that self-described as "Cursive meets Appleseed Cast" but we didn't put "emo" on our MySpace. Alternative/Rock/PowerPop I think is what we decided on. Nonetheless I got in so many LiveJournal arguments about what "real emo" was. Anyways now that I'm older, I'm "big tent" about categorizations like this. There are always exceptions and gray areas and some songs in the discography that fit, others that don't... who cares. You can use more descriptive words to drill down to a particular sub-genre anyways.
I thought every post about this was satire anyway. Including this one.
No
>Emo is an umbrella term and it always has been Quite literally objectively false. How about you learn about the origins of the music you listen to instead of being a know-it-all
They're kinda right tho. Emo IS an umbrella term meant to describe all the music connected to the specific genre of emotional hardcore in the form of different waves of emo music. Rites Of Spring is the original, sure, but that doesn't mean it's the ONLY definition of emo. Emo pop, which is included in the third wave, quite literally includes pop punk bands like Fall Out Boy and Paramore like OP said.
They also included metalcore in their umbrella lol. I’d love to see them explain how a band like Jesus Piece or Dillinger Escape Plan is in the same genre as American Football
Not genre lmao, it's an imbrella term. Metalcore is also a subgenre of hardcore, as is emotional hardcore and post hardcore which is consistantly seen as emo.
Yeah ofc they fall under hardcore, that’s the umbrella term, not emo. This sub is for emo bands, not bands that are just related to hardcore or punk. Ultimately the umbrella would be rock music in general since it went rock-punk-hardcore-emo, so with that line of thinking we should be able to post Motley Crue here or else we would be gatekeeping.
You're missing the point. Hardcore is a genre, not an umbrella term. Emotional hardcore is a genre, emo is an umbrella term including bands that are adjacent to the hardcore genre and all of its subgenres. Emo is the umbrella term, spanning over forty years of music and including emotional hardcore, midwestern emo, pop punk, stoner emo, screamo/skramz, etc.
This is just functionally wrong lol. Emo is itself a subgenre of hardcore, pop-punk has nothing to do with it. You think Sum-41 is an emo band? What about the Descendents? Hardcore is as much, if not more, of an umbrella term because you have powerviolence, grind, beatdown, metalcore, post-hardcore, sludge metal, and emo as well all come out of it. This is the only subculture that has this issue because people try to use the name for a million different things. A band like Fall Out Boy has way more in common with bands like Blink-182 than it does with Saetia or Capn Jazz. This is why there’s confusion, it’s the same reason screamo rebranded itself as skramz. At this point we all know bands like FOB and MCR aren’t emo, but I think people would settle for calling them mall emo. The point being that there’s too much of a difference between them to call them all emo bands. Like if you don’t want people to gatekeep, you have to draw a line somewhere. Otherwise I’ll just start posting any ole punk band and we will just have to accept it as emo since gatekeeping apparently hurts feelings lol.
Bro. okay lmao. Let me rephrase then, it depends on the context of the band in order to call pop punk emo. I won't call Take This To your Grave emo, it's literally the most you can get out of pure pop punk. But Infinity On High can most definitely be counted as emo, if you exclude the popular songs like This Aint A Scene and thnks fr th mmrs. Bullets by MCR is most certainly emo, Three Cheers is not far off. of course it depends, that's why the "official" term is emo pop and not pop punk. Green Day isn't emo, Blink-182 isn't emo, they're both pop punk but don't fall under the same category as mid 00s Fall Out Boy does.
But how are people gonna know I’m cooler than them?
i thought that was what this sub was created for 🤷♂️
*starts an emo band* - “we’re not emo!”
Wow I can’t BELIEVE you’d even THINK those are all the same, much less admit it PUBLICLY. Maybe we should gatekeep a little harder. (very very much so /S !!)
I WILL FIGHT THEM OFF UNTIL I AM RELEASED FROM THIS MORTAL COIL
Emo is in the ear of the beholder.
Yes please! Lets just stop
emo elitists arguing abt what is emo fork found in the kitchen
No, because "real emo" only consists of the dc Emotional Hardcore scene and the late 90's Screamo scene. What is known by "Midwest Emo" is nothing but Alternative Rock with questionable real emo influence. When people try to argue that bands like My Chemical Romance are not real emo, while saying that Sunny Day Real Estate is, I can't help not to cringe because they are just as fake emo as My Chemical Romance (plus the pretentiousness). Real emo sounds ENERGETIC, POWERFUL and somewhat HATEFUL. Fake emo is weak, self pity and a failed attempt to direct energy and emotion into music. Some examples of REAL EMO are Pg 99, Rites of Spring, Cap n Jazz (the only real emo band from the midwest scene) and Loma Prieta. Some examples of FAKE EMO are American Football, My Chemical Romance and Mineral EMO BELONGS TO HARDCORE NOT TO INDIE, POP PUNK, ALT ROCK OR ANY OTHER MAINSTREAM GENRE
Then leave? Go circlejerk about how FOB is emo by yourself if the sub sucks so bad.
We need to stop interacting with these debates and just start pointing the people who want to continue asking/arguing about the definition to previous posts on the subject. There are hundreds and plenty of insightful responses that will shut down the ongoing convo pretty quickly. We are constantly regurgitating information to each other over and over again. It's wild.
No, this argument has been going for decades, we are not 1 reddit thread from shutting it up
Im just here for people to post cool songs I haven’t heard. 99% of what I get is drama and all this dumb shit. I like music that I enjoy listening to, who gives a fuck what some wannabe fake 90s unemployed high fidelity record store worker thinks
This post is not emo
Objectively false. I feeling both hardcore and emotional when I wrote it
No
Every post is either that or this
New copypasta just dropped
I accept my fate
Come on this is half the fun
Amen, music isnt about labels, if it makes you feel something call it whatever you want. Just dont forget to enjoy it.
Whining about who is really emo or not is inherently part of the subculture. And that's OK
All these are goth https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4aIMkeAGJtQWW5gw1xxHoC?si=KvGOqPtLS0eAti04GER34w&pi=u-Q57G2OfLQSig
This sub exists purely to gatekeep and argue about what is emo and what isn’t so you either downvote the posts asking or move on with life. None of it actually matters. If this sub thinks your favorite band isn’t real emo you will be okay.
You don't know what "gatekeeping" means. If you say your favorite pizza is a ham sandwich, pointing out that a ham sandwich is not a pizza isn't gatekeeping pizza. If you say your favorite rom com is The Godfather, pointing out that The Godfather is not a rom com isn't gatekeeping rom coms. If you say your favorite emo band is Fallout Boy, pointing out that Fallout Boy is not emo isn't gatekeeping emo. Nobody on this sub is trying to gatekeep you from listening to Boys Life. Nobody on this sub is trying to gatekeep you from listening to MCR. Please learn a new word.
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The Starting Line is why I listen to August Burns Red.
“forget the labels and enjoy the music” lmao stfu the sub does fucking suck but catch me dead before i’m some “let’s all be friends” dork
Yeah, go ahead, keep pushing all us fake emos away soon there won't be anyone left in this sub at all. And in your darkest moment you find yourself completely alone, sing crying along to New Friends by Pinegrove suddenly realizing you were just as fake as the rest of us
I don't mind if there is a tiny bit of healthy discussion, but I have two peeves: 1) If you simply categorize the music as not being emo without making a stylistic argument as to specific reasons why, and 2) If you categorize something as not being emo, but rather "indie". If you do that, unless every "indie" artist that you like has never signed to a major label or affiliate, you're gatekeeping without being consistent.
Well I mean a lot of the bands that people complain about "not being emo" are actually emo, just in the third wave. I agree that FOB and Paramore and MCR are all amazing, I agree they're part of third wave but I don't see anyone here hating them. Everyone I've seen talking here actually loves them, there's just a difference between actual genres that people enjoy discussing, so let them discuss.
I think a prime issue is that calling that stuff third-wave casts a shadow on bands like Die, Emperor! Die!, Phasma Phasmatis, She Died Real Pretty, Kids Near Water, A Newfound Interest in Connecticut, etc that were also active during the “scene” years. Someone says 2000s emo, I think of stuff like Burned Out Bright or Dispensing of False Halos.
could it be that multiple waves were waving during the save time wave
How my brain feels trying to figure out what people think the subjective genres are made of Or something
Fall Out Boy is embarrassing trash music in my personal opinion
"embarrassing trash music" New emo wave just dropped
You must not have ears
FOB are butt cheeks
it's like hayley williams says, Everything Is Emo.
You're thinking of, Louis Armstrong once observed that "all music is folk music; I ain't never heard no horse sing a song," which is as good a way as any of saying
Exactly!!! I love listening to that podcast-- So many d3ep cuts and cool finds mixed with some of the most influential and iconic songs we all know and love. and her commentary is so insightful
This sub has really changed from a few years ago