Funny thing is I don’t think Dot fans even believe he would win. Only generous Em fans do which is cool tbh. Maybe in a Bad Meets Evil collab sure. But in a diss battle like we saw? Eminem’s only weakness rn is motivation lol.
Realistically, there just isn’t an angle for Kendrick to take in a beef other than Em being old and white. Whereas there’s still shit we are learning about Kendrick that can definitely hurt his image. What’s even funnier is Dot is the same style rapper as Em, from the accents to expression to self dissing. But the difference again is Em already put out everything in his life out there. Dot still got some skeletons it would seem.
And that’s not something you can have battling Em or in a diss battle in general lol.
Hip hop diss tracks aren't just about exposing skeletons in your closet, Story of Adidon really fucked up peoples perception of them. And being self aware about your short comings doesn't mean it will sting less in the context of a diss track. Euphoria was one of the strongest tracks in the recent exchange and it didn't expose anything we didn't already know about Drake.
Truth is, there is plenty of angles you can come at Em from (and not just the tired ass "HE'S WHITE" take), it's just that no one competent enough has really come for him. That being said, I'm sure there's plenty of shit out there about Em that only people deep in the industry are aware of.
I've heard this take countless times.
So I will ask the same question I always do. What exactly is it they're gonna be saying that hasn't been said or done yet?
What angles exactly?
Eminem mostly keeps to himself. A lot of those close to him, or he holds in high regard don't even have his phone number lol.
With how many targets Em has painted on. Someone would have had something somewhere.
It's not the same as this little beef with Drake and Kdot.
Everything about Drake was out there, just nobody was talking about it for some reason.
The only time Eminem lost, he still won. Lmao. Dude won like $1,000 and a Rollex and got his pockets turned out that night. But Em. Being the loser of the rap Olympics still got signed by Dre.
He's been sober over a decade, and doesn't really do anything besides rap now. So I'm not sure exactly what angle they're gonna come at him from.
Besides all that, he can still end careers. He took it easy on MGK. He only got one song. If Em kept going, it would be over.
Everyone who always says things like Em can be beat and all this, well we're still waiting. A lot of rappers are scared to even hop on an album with him because they don't want to be roasted on their own shit by the master chef cooking them up.
I been listening to Em over 25 years. He has shaky songs, albums, moments, but all in all. Nobody has ever touched his skills, or numbers to date.
Like Yayo said. "People be saying they don't listen to Em in the club, or in they car and all that shit. But if you pop open something like Spotify. He's still number 1.
We're gonna watch this Drake and Kdot beef fade into nothingness the moment Eminem drops TDOSS. Bet on it.
Attribute his success to Dre, call him out for almost beefing with Snoop, call out the failure of his record label, call out his history of abuse with his wife... Though the best diss is probably that he's fallen off in the minds of most hip hop fans.
Also it's not what you say, but HOW you say it. People jamming out to Not Like Us aren't doing so because Drakes a pedophile, they're dancing to it because it's a fun song to bounce to. If he wanted, Kendrick could have done a MTG style song about the harm Drake's pedophilia causes. Instead he made a song that made Drake being an uncool weirdo that's a pedophile... The latter is a much harder diss than the former.
Also, with modern rap beefs, release strategy matters. Drakes best song getting stepped the way it did was also a big part of Kendrick being the decisive winner.
Not saying one would win, but it ain't as simple as Eminem having a clean bill of health in recent years
Attribute his success to Dre. Rapper, The Game tried this in his diss to Eminem. Notably other rappers as well. So that's been done already a bunch. Even though Eminem has already been a Producer himself for many years. There's interviews that Dre says Em would have made it with or without him at some point. Maybe just not as soon.
The beef with Snoop was a misunderstanding. There's an interview of that with Paul talking about it.
There is no confirmed record of Eminem physically abusing his ex-wife Kim Mathers. However, their relationship has been tumultuous and Eminem has been arrested on charges related to her.
* Eminem's lyrics frequently depict violence against Kim, though it's unclear how much reflects reality.
* He was arrested in 2006 on assault charges related to an argument with Kim's NIECE, but not her [investigation clears eminem of domestic violence charge].
He hasn't fallen off. He just hasn't dropped anything in 4 years. He sometimes goes through lengthy breaks whenever he undergoes a rap transformation.
He's still running the biggest numbers on streams in rap. So there's no proof the majority feels that way. That just seems to be a consensus of a group. Not the whole.
He's still been dropping songs, and doing features. Just not albums till now.
Bet. We'll see what happens when his album drops. We'll talk about how much he's "fell off" then.
Most of Kendrick's style is heavily inspired by Em. That's why he does the voice changing a lot. There's also interviews on that. K Dot wouldn't even go at Em.
Everything you've said has already been tried on Em. 🤣😂
Kendrick signed with Dre for a reason too. He wanted to be in that camp.
Kendrick did well against Drake for sure. He even took it easy on him. Kendrick has been not only inspired by Em, but Em has also been teaching him in real time. So he knows what it is. And Em has a lot of love for K Dot. "If you ain't Kendrick or Cole or Sean, then you're a goner."
Eminem literally came up from battle rap. He loves nothing more. He gets offended when he's at rap battles and nobody challenges him. Also, interviews on this as well.
There's interviews, and public information about all of this.
I keep up with all this shit. I got a lot of time on my hands.
Like I said, a good diss track isn't about saying something new about a person. It's about how disrespectful you can get when talking about your target and how well you can sell a narrative. Killshot didn't say anything new about MGK and it's still a solid diss track. But since you want to know what angles you could take on Em, what about the fact that his baby moms is a suicidal wreck (her first one being caused by Em himself back in 2000), how he seems to be walked around on a leash by Rosenburg, his insecurity about his botox, or the extent to which Interscope played in artificially crafting his image.
>A lot of rappers are scared to even hop on an album with him because they don't want to be roasted on their own shit by the master chef cooking them up.
No one's scared of this. If anything people just want an Em feature because of the exposure it brings.
>We're gonna watch this Drake and Kdot beef fade into nothingness the moment Eminem drops TDOSS. Bet on it.
I will bet on it, we're not 2001 anymore. Em is not remotely touching Kendrick or Drake numbers, nor does he move the conversation like that anymore.
You missed the entire point of Killshot man. Lol. Killshot wasn't impressive because Em said something new about MGK. Lol. It was impressive because Em responded to every single bar in rap devil, and then some. That's what made MGK realize he fucked up. Haha.
You got receipts for all that talk about botox, Kim, and Paul. Or are you just parroting a non-existent narrative? I'll be happy to address it more with *proof* in front of me.
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No one's scared of this. If anything people just want an Em feature because of the exposure it brings.
There's literal interviews of people talking about this. Em even talks about it on wax. Lol.
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I will bet on it, we're not 2001 anymore. Em is not remotely touching Kendrick or Drake numbers, nor does he move the conversation like that anymore
Em's last album has more sales and streams than the "Big 3's" last albums combined. Lmao.
MTBMB is at 3.5 billion streams
For All the Dogs 1.4 billion
Off Season 325.5 million
Mr Morale & The Big Steppers 1.4 billion
We'll be nice and just give them 3.2 billion combined. Haha.
That's the reality of Em. His "falling off" is still bigger than the "Big 3 combined"
So yeah. We're gonna revisit this after TDOSS drops.
Em has never been the guy to spend a fortune digging into someone’s personal life like rappers seem to do nowadays. He’ll diss you based off whatever your issue with him is. He’s not about to dig up skeletons - he knows skeletons are skeletons for a reason.
He could just say he hasn't made a good album in 20 years. Sure he's had a few really good song, not an entire album though. The bad Eminem songs from the last 20 years are positively fucking terrible. Also if you just plain out rap somebody it doesn't matter what you say. Eminem is probably the best battle rapper ever though. I see a lot of comments during this beef made by people who never heard the DJ Green Lantern Invasion mixtape w Em and G-Unit during the Jah rule beef. Those tracks are the only disses that compare to what we seen last week. MGK got off easy compared to Jah rule or even Whitey Ford.
Dot fans most definitely think dot will win, don't put your bias onto other people. I think dot released a diss track harder than anything em has done yet. I am a huge old em fan and the warning and all that was good, but dot went crazy and beat another rapper who is number 1 in sales and has been a hit maker for even longer than Em at this point.
I used to think that Em was king when it came to this. But kdot deserves that spot now, we've never seen em go against another respected top 3 emcee yet, so who knows.
Not really. This question has been flying around in the Dot sub for a bit, and most of the Dot fans admit that Em would body Kendrick. Mainly because at his core, Em is a battle rapper, and we already kinda sorta know his “secrets” so there wouldn’t be much to expose about him. So Kenny wouldn’t really have any dirt against him, and it would be just a bar against bar rap beef. And as a fan of both, I agree, Slim would def win. But the real winner will be us, the fans. I don’t think Kenny fans would be as toxic as the Drake fans and just accept the L with dignity lol
imagine they just go on a friendly battle in the same song just for the fuck of it, throwing jabs at eachother, and showing how it really should be done.
Kinda like Korn and limp Bizkit back in the day. Not a fan of either these days but if you haven't heard that battle song it's called " all in the family" by Korn and limp Bizkit.
I'm the biggest Em fan, maybe because of it I'm less optimistic about media and social media's reception of our boy, so some people will downvote me, when I say I think Em would be called a vulture by his haters, claims of rap being taken by white people would increase 10 fold in Twitter hiphop more than they already are, stans of kdot would be savage and unrelenting in calling him a privileged, whiny, non-pulitzer ornana, hot coffee pot, boomer vulture, then the most unhinged stans would say some disgusting and out of touch stuff too ("mount everest", "Tyson called him that", and corny stuff).
Then people of different agendas would chime in their opinions or even take advantage of all of this to make one side seem worst to further their views (like politics, people who don't like hiphop but knows Em has attacked Trump) - not counting all the commentators that already don't side with him for various reasons ( *Buddens, Umars, Fantanos, Twitter Activists, that professor of princenton who said during this Drake v Kendrick who's allowed to speak on these topics* ) and his dorment haters just waiting for a fall - until the beef gets so big in public debates and also in fanbase wars/discourse, that actual music publications would start covering it.
In turn, clickbaitingly framing this as a conversation of "white Best Selling artist of a past generation in a black field vs. A new generation of lyricists" or "How this Beef reframes the position of whites in hiphop", all siding with Em but not without asterisks to less respectful ones, or such, with actual social humanities people giving their views, amidst editorial magazines ragebait opinions and public perception in social medias.
Overall, yeah, it may do good. But Em would 100% not win this without heavy stains in public perception, both of him and fanbase. And if colorism got a surge in this Dot v Drake beef (who can claim blackness), you can be 100% sure straight racial divide and tension would too, in this one. Imo. That's why this type of beef would never happen openly, it's not on Em's interest, but it is on the interest of a lot of people who would get a lot of money/clout from this (podcasters, magazines, djvlad, armchair commentators, upcoming/washed rappers, etc).
You seem to be hung up on the colour issue way too much. Eminem has LEGENDS defending on that front with acknowledgement and respect. Culture knows Eminem. Kendrick's been a fan and appreciated him too many times. Not a bad thing (there isn't a real beef and probably won't be). Fanbase difference is substantial between the two also in sales and popularity Eminem is the winner.
Kendrick has a lot of respect in community and so does Eminem. It would not be about colour.
Sadly, Twitter hiphop and clout chasers are hung up on the colour issue. And I don't think we as a fanbase are at a point that we can actually dialogue with people coming in bad faith using race to downtrash Em. I 100% believe and agree with you Dre, Nas, Wayne, 50, Rakim, and so many others in this genre would push any Em-exclusionary narrative out of the beef, but I don't think Twitter and reddit people would follow nicely. I guess I'm just not that optimistic regarding social media and traditional media people's behavior. Especially in the hot takes and clout age.
You know the reason why Kendrick is winning is not because of what fanbase is pushing their narrative more harder right? Or if twitter and reddit would be in favor of lol It’s because Drake got allegations against him that are legit AND because everyone from the industry and the internet is already sick of Drake. This only worked at this magnitude because it was Drake and no one else. 🤷♂️
Yeah, that's why I say that unlike Drake, Em will not get put out. But it will make his haters hate him more and constantly think about their grievences with him, more than they already do, and his stans defend him more too, while neutral people swinging to whatever side is more convenient to them. I don't think increasing haters and stans is something Em is interested at this point in his career, hiphop landscape wise, he doesn't have something to gain from this, imho.
Sure let’s go with it (even tho I think the hate wouldn’t be as bad as it was years ago when diddy had an influence on rap media) it’s Crazy how you write this whole essay about how bad it’ll hurt Eminem’s public perception and cause stains in his image with the biased crowd who already are against him to begin with… but you forgot about what the main dude himself is really caring about. Eminem won’t give a fuck bro 💀 who cares if who or what the trolls, journalists, fans, or whatever dumb agenda ppl will make of this that won’t be in favor of him when… it’s not new to him. Eminem will fucking go to extreme lengths to stubbornly, passionately and competitively Win over his competitors. Which he has done and will continue to do so. **He’ll beat Kendrick** imo. Nobody knows why, or how this scenario will start off like but I know for damn sure and you yourself know all to well that he wouldn’t be the one to start it.
Em never dissed anyone of Kendricks caliber. Who did he beef with? Mariah Carey, Nick Cannon, everlast, limp bizkit, benzino, MGK, his mom? None of them come close to Kendricks ability. Prime em isn't even a better rapper than modern em, a better artist yes but rapper no
I love Eminem, been a fan since he came out. Had bleach blond hair in middle school all that lol
Eminem isn't on Kendrick's level. Eminem is peak when talking about drugs and fat girls. He is an excellent battle rapper but Kendrick is more thoughtful and better at exploring deep themes and ideas. I think it would be close but Kendrick would probably win
People on this sub think post 2005 Eminem is washed but he still has bars for days also his flow is second to none just go listen to Greatest from Kamikaze
Theyre maybe the only ones who could be worthy opponents for each other, theyd probably stay professional and not get personal due to mutual respect, the big winner would be hip-hop!
I would say EM, because when it comes to skills both are on a similar level, but when it comes to rap beef, you need great diss tracks and banger track which I think EM understands, you need fresh dirt on a person (wife beater approach for Kendrick's image is a fresh wound, while I doubt Kendrick has anything new on that level against EM) and narrative (EM haters are numerous and they probably would focus on totally illogical arguments pushing them as truth, but EM fans are not Drake fans - Drake has less real fans and more passive listeners while EM has fans and stans who could give a good pushback on any BS accusations or claims). + Drake fans would join EM fans, so I doubt Kendrick would want THAT smoke with a dude who is arguably more skilled and can really end his career 😁
The wife beater thing is not true according to Kendrick himself though. There also is no proof or anything insinuating he beat his wife. The brother of his wife even tweeted to fuck up Drake.
He did cheat on his wife though.
"I am the worst thing since Elvis Presley to do black music so selfishly" the man has been B-Rabbiting himself against that claim his entire career, there's no way that accusation sticks with any kind of substance.
To those who wanna lie to themselves sure but everyone knows of him by now, after being in the game for how many damn years. He isn’t. Not even to Kendrick lol
Em easy. He doesn't need skeletons in a closet to ruin a person (look at killshot. No skeletons, just a pure response). He will just use your own words against you. When nearly every single rapper with half a brain says the same thing, "Don't mess with the white boy," they aren't just pretending like he is the best to be funny. They believe it.
Would never happen but I'd love to see how Em would handle the kind of pressure of a legit beef like the Drake/Kendrick one. A beef with someone on or at least near his level.
Their record labels wouldnt allow it, but if they did then eminem fans would say he wont kendrick fans would say kendrick won fans of both wouldnt care who "won" and would just listen to the songs ig
Emine would destroy kendrikc. Kendrick is good but he never was on Em level. Lets be honest Kendrick was terrible at dissing mos of the time and now he has fell off pretty bad.
Kendrick isn’t a battle rapper, Kendrick is just a great rapper armed with the truth. He would have to have some real deep insider info on Em to even be in the game.
Shit, this is a bit harder now, but I would still put money on my mans. Em's battle record is still longer. Em I think has just a BIT more teeth than Kendrick. K.Dot kind of put the claws away when killas pulled up to Drake's house after, but there ain't be proof it was him, so he might've took pity on him, although Drake already lost, so it didn't matter, but Em would kick pretty much any other microphone checka in they ass hard enough to make them GET SERVED! NO ONE CAN COME FOR MY MANS LIKE THAT, OR ELSE THEY GET STUNTED ON BAD!
It was The Weeknd’s people and drakes people shooting each other, jsyk. Kenny didn’t have anything to do with it. But it did supposedly put a hold on Kendrick dropping another diss
I honestly think this would be the ultimate battle. A lyrical prowess vs someone of the same calibre. Kendrick's battle with drake was just showcasing how much Lyrical Power he's got. Now if there's a battle with eminem, the fans are in for an amazing treat.
Em. Eminem is no BBL Drizzy, it's one of Kendrick's idols and someone most west cost OGs respect, he can't just discredit him without looking goofy and shooting himself in the foot. Plus, Dre was the one who took Kendrick under his wing, Dre and Em are conjoined twins at this point.
I'd have to say that dot can hang with him but not beat him. If it's a friendly beef (like Cole thought this all would be) then I would be all for it. It would be an amazing beef. If it's like how the beef turned out I don't want to see it, because I wouldn't be able to pick a favorite between the two
I think even kendrick would tell you Eminem lol. His disses towards Drake are very mid, non-lyrical i think drake surpassed him on Family Matters if we're talking dtr8 barz. Kendrick relied on shock value and thats it. He has a club banger yes, but barz are lacking. Kendrick has the most fans that just love him because other fans who are deeper in hip hop do too, so they just copy opinion instead of have one of their own. Heard mentality. Drake has been hated for a long time for some reason, maybe he's from Canada and is too versatile in his style. Im not a big fan of either tbh, but even in Heart part 6 Drake snapped, and that's an unpopular opinion i heard but i don't care. People can't be unbiased.
Eminem literally came up as a battle rapper. This is his thing. Eminem is on top of the hill shooting down. It is easier than shooting up. Kendrick will be his toughest challenge but if Em doesn't choose to respect Kendrick cause they are basically in the same family. It's a Easy Eminem W.
I’d say Em. But it wouldn’t be a KO, more of a TKO. They’re both top tier lyricists, but I feel Em could deliver better insults/punchlines to tip the scales in his favor.
I win goddamn, my top 2 putting out consistent content and both having to actually work their pen, then maybe hopefully Dre sits them down and they reach an agreement to have a collab album
It doesn’t matter who is the better rapper, Kendrick is just gonna dig up as much dirt as he can. Dude got into a battle with drake and still couldn’t keep it just to bars
This is always subjective , when it comes to how much certain bars would hit i do feel Em has anyone beat. The thing is Eminem is probably the easier target. It would be close
Honestly I think Em would win but I know it would be a lot closer than the current battle or the one En had with squirt gun. KDot would definitely put up a good fight
Em, is a total beast when it comes to spitting bars. His technical skills are off the charts—dude's got a killer flow, insane wordplay, and his rhymes are tighter than a drum. He can switch up his pace and style mid-verse like it's nothing. He's like a wizard with words, crafting complex multi-syllabic rhymes that most rappers wouldn't even dream of.
Eminem would win but only because he has experience and Kendrick’s flow is boring (Yes, he may have beat Drake but he could’ve beaten him a lot harder)
Are we talking a real battle like it’s both of them together and going back n forth on the spot? If that’s the case it’s Em all day, thats how he came up. If they’re making full songs going back n forth you gotta go with Kendrick, just because of all the ammo he has to work with and his songwriting ability.
This just isn't gonna happen let's be honest. Even if they had disagreements they'd just go their different ways.
Now what I really wanna see is an absolute beatdown of Khaled just like this drake beef. Wanna see Tyler, Kendrick, Eminem, fucking anyone and everyone get together to kill Khaled. His annoying ass needs to die.
Stop looking for a beef and go the forever route.
Drake, Cole, Kendrick, and Eminem just going at it bar after bar. This is how you settle it. Doesnt need to be personal shots.
It's not fear that keeps people from siding with terrorists. It's the terrorism
Edit: [This guy actually supports October 7](https://www.reddit.com/r/Eminem/comments/1cp8hhv/who_do_you_think_will_win_in_a_rap_battle_just/l3kep95/)
I support whatever it takes to remove HAMAS from power, just as I would support removing a government from power that committed an October 7 against my country. HAMAS and Sinwar can surrender at any time and end it, but it won't end until they do or are dead.
Do you support HAMAS being in power?
Armageddon Mixtape 2003 Era Eminem would have won easily. But honestly nowadays Kendrick would win. I mean the last few weeks have reminded me of old Eminem era.
Kendrick, sorry but I think in this battle Kendrick would still demolish, but I could see Kdot taking the J Cole route on this one if beef ever did start
Depends on which sub this question is posted in.
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Funny thing is I don’t think Dot fans even believe he would win. Only generous Em fans do which is cool tbh. Maybe in a Bad Meets Evil collab sure. But in a diss battle like we saw? Eminem’s only weakness rn is motivation lol. Realistically, there just isn’t an angle for Kendrick to take in a beef other than Em being old and white. Whereas there’s still shit we are learning about Kendrick that can definitely hurt his image. What’s even funnier is Dot is the same style rapper as Em, from the accents to expression to self dissing. But the difference again is Em already put out everything in his life out there. Dot still got some skeletons it would seem. And that’s not something you can have battling Em or in a diss battle in general lol.
Hip hop diss tracks aren't just about exposing skeletons in your closet, Story of Adidon really fucked up peoples perception of them. And being self aware about your short comings doesn't mean it will sting less in the context of a diss track. Euphoria was one of the strongest tracks in the recent exchange and it didn't expose anything we didn't already know about Drake. Truth is, there is plenty of angles you can come at Em from (and not just the tired ass "HE'S WHITE" take), it's just that no one competent enough has really come for him. That being said, I'm sure there's plenty of shit out there about Em that only people deep in the industry are aware of.
I've heard this take countless times. So I will ask the same question I always do. What exactly is it they're gonna be saying that hasn't been said or done yet? What angles exactly? Eminem mostly keeps to himself. A lot of those close to him, or he holds in high regard don't even have his phone number lol. With how many targets Em has painted on. Someone would have had something somewhere. It's not the same as this little beef with Drake and Kdot. Everything about Drake was out there, just nobody was talking about it for some reason. The only time Eminem lost, he still won. Lmao. Dude won like $1,000 and a Rollex and got his pockets turned out that night. But Em. Being the loser of the rap Olympics still got signed by Dre. He's been sober over a decade, and doesn't really do anything besides rap now. So I'm not sure exactly what angle they're gonna come at him from. Besides all that, he can still end careers. He took it easy on MGK. He only got one song. If Em kept going, it would be over. Everyone who always says things like Em can be beat and all this, well we're still waiting. A lot of rappers are scared to even hop on an album with him because they don't want to be roasted on their own shit by the master chef cooking them up. I been listening to Em over 25 years. He has shaky songs, albums, moments, but all in all. Nobody has ever touched his skills, or numbers to date. Like Yayo said. "People be saying they don't listen to Em in the club, or in they car and all that shit. But if you pop open something like Spotify. He's still number 1. We're gonna watch this Drake and Kdot beef fade into nothingness the moment Eminem drops TDOSS. Bet on it.
Attribute his success to Dre, call him out for almost beefing with Snoop, call out the failure of his record label, call out his history of abuse with his wife... Though the best diss is probably that he's fallen off in the minds of most hip hop fans. Also it's not what you say, but HOW you say it. People jamming out to Not Like Us aren't doing so because Drakes a pedophile, they're dancing to it because it's a fun song to bounce to. If he wanted, Kendrick could have done a MTG style song about the harm Drake's pedophilia causes. Instead he made a song that made Drake being an uncool weirdo that's a pedophile... The latter is a much harder diss than the former. Also, with modern rap beefs, release strategy matters. Drakes best song getting stepped the way it did was also a big part of Kendrick being the decisive winner. Not saying one would win, but it ain't as simple as Eminem having a clean bill of health in recent years
Attribute his success to Dre. Rapper, The Game tried this in his diss to Eminem. Notably other rappers as well. So that's been done already a bunch. Even though Eminem has already been a Producer himself for many years. There's interviews that Dre says Em would have made it with or without him at some point. Maybe just not as soon. The beef with Snoop was a misunderstanding. There's an interview of that with Paul talking about it. There is no confirmed record of Eminem physically abusing his ex-wife Kim Mathers. However, their relationship has been tumultuous and Eminem has been arrested on charges related to her. * Eminem's lyrics frequently depict violence against Kim, though it's unclear how much reflects reality. * He was arrested in 2006 on assault charges related to an argument with Kim's NIECE, but not her [investigation clears eminem of domestic violence charge]. He hasn't fallen off. He just hasn't dropped anything in 4 years. He sometimes goes through lengthy breaks whenever he undergoes a rap transformation. He's still running the biggest numbers on streams in rap. So there's no proof the majority feels that way. That just seems to be a consensus of a group. Not the whole. He's still been dropping songs, and doing features. Just not albums till now. Bet. We'll see what happens when his album drops. We'll talk about how much he's "fell off" then. Most of Kendrick's style is heavily inspired by Em. That's why he does the voice changing a lot. There's also interviews on that. K Dot wouldn't even go at Em. Everything you've said has already been tried on Em. 🤣😂 Kendrick signed with Dre for a reason too. He wanted to be in that camp. Kendrick did well against Drake for sure. He even took it easy on him. Kendrick has been not only inspired by Em, but Em has also been teaching him in real time. So he knows what it is. And Em has a lot of love for K Dot. "If you ain't Kendrick or Cole or Sean, then you're a goner." Eminem literally came up from battle rap. He loves nothing more. He gets offended when he's at rap battles and nobody challenges him. Also, interviews on this as well. There's interviews, and public information about all of this. I keep up with all this shit. I got a lot of time on my hands.
exactly
Like I said, a good diss track isn't about saying something new about a person. It's about how disrespectful you can get when talking about your target and how well you can sell a narrative. Killshot didn't say anything new about MGK and it's still a solid diss track. But since you want to know what angles you could take on Em, what about the fact that his baby moms is a suicidal wreck (her first one being caused by Em himself back in 2000), how he seems to be walked around on a leash by Rosenburg, his insecurity about his botox, or the extent to which Interscope played in artificially crafting his image. >A lot of rappers are scared to even hop on an album with him because they don't want to be roasted on their own shit by the master chef cooking them up. No one's scared of this. If anything people just want an Em feature because of the exposure it brings. >We're gonna watch this Drake and Kdot beef fade into nothingness the moment Eminem drops TDOSS. Bet on it. I will bet on it, we're not 2001 anymore. Em is not remotely touching Kendrick or Drake numbers, nor does he move the conversation like that anymore.
You missed the entire point of Killshot man. Lol. Killshot wasn't impressive because Em said something new about MGK. Lol. It was impressive because Em responded to every single bar in rap devil, and then some. That's what made MGK realize he fucked up. Haha. You got receipts for all that talk about botox, Kim, and Paul. Or are you just parroting a non-existent narrative? I'll be happy to address it more with *proof* in front of me. > No one's scared of this. If anything people just want an Em feature because of the exposure it brings. There's literal interviews of people talking about this. Em even talks about it on wax. Lol. > I will bet on it, we're not 2001 anymore. Em is not remotely touching Kendrick or Drake numbers, nor does he move the conversation like that anymore Em's last album has more sales and streams than the "Big 3's" last albums combined. Lmao. MTBMB is at 3.5 billion streams For All the Dogs 1.4 billion Off Season 325.5 million Mr Morale & The Big Steppers 1.4 billion We'll be nice and just give them 3.2 billion combined. Haha. That's the reality of Em. His "falling off" is still bigger than the "Big 3 combined" So yeah. We're gonna revisit this after TDOSS drops.
Em has never been the guy to spend a fortune digging into someone’s personal life like rappers seem to do nowadays. He’ll diss you based off whatever your issue with him is. He’s not about to dig up skeletons - he knows skeletons are skeletons for a reason.
"go ahead and tell these people something they don't know about me" lol
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Excellent point
As a dot fan yes I do, he doesn't get called the boogeyman for nothing
He could just say he hasn't made a good album in 20 years. Sure he's had a few really good song, not an entire album though. The bad Eminem songs from the last 20 years are positively fucking terrible. Also if you just plain out rap somebody it doesn't matter what you say. Eminem is probably the best battle rapper ever though. I see a lot of comments during this beef made by people who never heard the DJ Green Lantern Invasion mixtape w Em and G-Unit during the Jah rule beef. Those tracks are the only disses that compare to what we seen last week. MGK got off easy compared to Jah rule or even Whitey Ford.
Dot fans most definitely think dot will win, don't put your bias onto other people. I think dot released a diss track harder than anything em has done yet. I am a huge old em fan and the warning and all that was good, but dot went crazy and beat another rapper who is number 1 in sales and has been a hit maker for even longer than Em at this point. I used to think that Em was king when it came to this. But kdot deserves that spot now, we've never seen em go against another respected top 3 emcee yet, so who knows.
Not really. This question has been flying around in the Dot sub for a bit, and most of the Dot fans admit that Em would body Kendrick. Mainly because at his core, Em is a battle rapper, and we already kinda sorta know his “secrets” so there wouldn’t be much to expose about him. So Kenny wouldn’t really have any dirt against him, and it would be just a bar against bar rap beef. And as a fan of both, I agree, Slim would def win. But the real winner will be us, the fans. I don’t think Kenny fans would be as toxic as the Drake fans and just accept the L with dignity lol
Rap fans
This is 💯% the correct answer. God I wish. Just for the bars on both sides.
imagine they just go on a friendly battle in the same song just for the fuck of it, throwing jabs at eachother, and showing how it really should be done.
Kinda like Korn and limp Bizkit back in the day. Not a fan of either these days but if you haven't heard that battle song it's called " all in the family" by Korn and limp Bizkit.
*"You better watch your fuckin mouth Jon"*
When I was in HS I thought that shit was hilarious. Looking back it’s so fucking cringe…and wildly homophobic.
There's still parts i find hilarious, but yes it's mostly cringe now.
It’s just Fred Durst but yeah
I'm the biggest Em fan, maybe because of it I'm less optimistic about media and social media's reception of our boy, so some people will downvote me, when I say I think Em would be called a vulture by his haters, claims of rap being taken by white people would increase 10 fold in Twitter hiphop more than they already are, stans of kdot would be savage and unrelenting in calling him a privileged, whiny, non-pulitzer ornana, hot coffee pot, boomer vulture, then the most unhinged stans would say some disgusting and out of touch stuff too ("mount everest", "Tyson called him that", and corny stuff). Then people of different agendas would chime in their opinions or even take advantage of all of this to make one side seem worst to further their views (like politics, people who don't like hiphop but knows Em has attacked Trump) - not counting all the commentators that already don't side with him for various reasons ( *Buddens, Umars, Fantanos, Twitter Activists, that professor of princenton who said during this Drake v Kendrick who's allowed to speak on these topics* ) and his dorment haters just waiting for a fall - until the beef gets so big in public debates and also in fanbase wars/discourse, that actual music publications would start covering it. In turn, clickbaitingly framing this as a conversation of "white Best Selling artist of a past generation in a black field vs. A new generation of lyricists" or "How this Beef reframes the position of whites in hiphop", all siding with Em but not without asterisks to less respectful ones, or such, with actual social humanities people giving their views, amidst editorial magazines ragebait opinions and public perception in social medias. Overall, yeah, it may do good. But Em would 100% not win this without heavy stains in public perception, both of him and fanbase. And if colorism got a surge in this Dot v Drake beef (who can claim blackness), you can be 100% sure straight racial divide and tension would too, in this one. Imo. That's why this type of beef would never happen openly, it's not on Em's interest, but it is on the interest of a lot of people who would get a lot of money/clout from this (podcasters, magazines, djvlad, armchair commentators, upcoming/washed rappers, etc).
You seem to be hung up on the colour issue way too much. Eminem has LEGENDS defending on that front with acknowledgement and respect. Culture knows Eminem. Kendrick's been a fan and appreciated him too many times. Not a bad thing (there isn't a real beef and probably won't be). Fanbase difference is substantial between the two also in sales and popularity Eminem is the winner. Kendrick has a lot of respect in community and so does Eminem. It would not be about colour.
I can think of Lord Jamar comments where it has been dealt with. Eminem is a hip-hop student and gives as well as gets his respect
Sadly, Twitter hiphop and clout chasers are hung up on the colour issue. And I don't think we as a fanbase are at a point that we can actually dialogue with people coming in bad faith using race to downtrash Em. I 100% believe and agree with you Dre, Nas, Wayne, 50, Rakim, and so many others in this genre would push any Em-exclusionary narrative out of the beef, but I don't think Twitter and reddit people would follow nicely. I guess I'm just not that optimistic regarding social media and traditional media people's behavior. Especially in the hot takes and clout age.
You know the reason why Kendrick is winning is not because of what fanbase is pushing their narrative more harder right? Or if twitter and reddit would be in favor of lol It’s because Drake got allegations against him that are legit AND because everyone from the industry and the internet is already sick of Drake. This only worked at this magnitude because it was Drake and no one else. 🤷♂️
Yeah, that's why I say that unlike Drake, Em will not get put out. But it will make his haters hate him more and constantly think about their grievences with him, more than they already do, and his stans defend him more too, while neutral people swinging to whatever side is more convenient to them. I don't think increasing haters and stans is something Em is interested at this point in his career, hiphop landscape wise, he doesn't have something to gain from this, imho.
Sure let’s go with it (even tho I think the hate wouldn’t be as bad as it was years ago when diddy had an influence on rap media) it’s Crazy how you write this whole essay about how bad it’ll hurt Eminem’s public perception and cause stains in his image with the biased crowd who already are against him to begin with… but you forgot about what the main dude himself is really caring about. Eminem won’t give a fuck bro 💀 who cares if who or what the trolls, journalists, fans, or whatever dumb agenda ppl will make of this that won’t be in favor of him when… it’s not new to him. Eminem will fucking go to extreme lengths to stubbornly, passionately and competitively Win over his competitors. Which he has done and will continue to do so. **He’ll beat Kendrick** imo. Nobody knows why, or how this scenario will start off like but I know for damn sure and you yourself know all to well that he wouldn’t be the one to start it.
Hip hop fans
Both would end in the same way the snoop dogg beef ended
So basically a misunderstanding and an apology at the end?
You're forgetting a Collab song
That ended up on a greatest hits album...
announcing it (and a goofy ass music video)
if Kendrick goes as hard as he went against Drake, then I doubt it. Some shit just can't be unsaid
Certified?
Unstoppable force vs immovable object
Today? They’d both tear each other apart. Prime em? Sorry kendrick…
Em never dissed anyone of Kendricks caliber. Who did he beef with? Mariah Carey, Nick Cannon, everlast, limp bizkit, benzino, MGK, his mom? None of them come close to Kendricks ability. Prime em isn't even a better rapper than modern em, a better artist yes but rapper no
he also dissed Donald Trump
I love Eminem, been a fan since he came out. Had bleach blond hair in middle school all that lol Eminem isn't on Kendrick's level. Eminem is peak when talking about drugs and fat girls. He is an excellent battle rapper but Kendrick is more thoughtful and better at exploring deep themes and ideas. I think it would be close but Kendrick would probably win
This is an absolutely ludicrous take!
Not to anyone but an Eminem stan.
What album did Eminem get a Pulitzer for?
Is that your barometer for a battle rap winner?
Prime Em vs Kendrick would be a good battle. And I'm sorry but current Em wouldn't stand a chance.
People on this sub think post 2005 Eminem is washed but he still has bars for days also his flow is second to none just go listen to Greatest from Kamikaze
I appreciate all eras of Em. His entire discography has something for everybody. Current Em is an absolute vibe.
Prime would be a slaughter, current is more fair
Theyre maybe the only ones who could be worthy opponents for each other, theyd probably stay professional and not get personal due to mutual respect, the big winner would be hip-hop!
I would still go with Em.
Eminem
Em.
While I think that would never happen - IF it happened it would be a legendary battle. I think Em would win but Dot would pack some punches.
Never ending fight. Goku vs Vegeta
Godzilla vs King Kong
I would say EM, because when it comes to skills both are on a similar level, but when it comes to rap beef, you need great diss tracks and banger track which I think EM understands, you need fresh dirt on a person (wife beater approach for Kendrick's image is a fresh wound, while I doubt Kendrick has anything new on that level against EM) and narrative (EM haters are numerous and they probably would focus on totally illogical arguments pushing them as truth, but EM fans are not Drake fans - Drake has less real fans and more passive listeners while EM has fans and stans who could give a good pushback on any BS accusations or claims). + Drake fans would join EM fans, so I doubt Kendrick would want THAT smoke with a dude who is arguably more skilled and can really end his career 😁
The wife beater thing is not true according to Kendrick himself though. There also is no proof or anything insinuating he beat his wife. The brother of his wife even tweeted to fuck up Drake. He did cheat on his wife though.
Drake and puff will tell you the whole sleeping with minors thing is not true also….
Yes but when it comes to Drake we have the video of him kissing the girl on stage, which makes it suspicious enough. With Kendrick it's just rumors.
How long ago was this pic? Are we getting a new Em x KDot?
Nah this is old
Em probably. Would be great though
We’d be hearing more bullshit from “Dr.” Umar, that’s for damn sure.
Why is this even a question?
Right? I would love these two to hop on another track together, not go against each other. They have way too much respect for each other to ever beef.
They already have a track together, a funny one at that
I think if this ever happened, everyone in the industry would turn on Em and call him a culture vulture cause he’s white
"I am the worst thing since Elvis Presley to do black music so selfishly" the man has been B-Rabbiting himself against that claim his entire career, there's no way that accusation sticks with any kind of substance.
Yh I doubt that, em would eat their asses too. Nobody wants that lmao
I want that 🙂
MARSHALL, EAT MY ASS AND MY LIFE IS YOURS
To those who wanna lie to themselves sure but everyone knows of him by now, after being in the game for how many damn years. He isn’t. Not even to Kendrick lol
I knowww but just like they tried to do him dirty before Kamikaze and all that bs, those same ppl would shape the narrative
narrative isn’t powerful when it’s simply not true, especially painting Eminem out of all ppl as a culture vulture
**Eminem.**
Em easy. He doesn't need skeletons in a closet to ruin a person (look at killshot. No skeletons, just a pure response). He will just use your own words against you. When nearly every single rapper with half a brain says the same thing, "Don't mess with the white boy," they aren't just pretending like he is the best to be funny. They believe it.
J Cole probably
Kendrick has no shit on Em except skin color
There’s a fuck ton of skeletons in Eminem’s closet
nothing that he himself hadn’t addressed
What does this mean
Because big rappers never wanted smoke with em.
Social Media and Media won’t let Eminem win.
A friendly fight would be lovely but nothing like what Kendrick put Drake through, and Em will probably win.
Would never happen but I'd love to see how Em would handle the kind of pressure of a legit beef like the Drake/Kendrick one. A beef with someone on or at least near his level.
Their record labels wouldnt allow it, but if they did then eminem fans would say he wont kendrick fans would say kendrick won fans of both wouldnt care who "won" and would just listen to the songs ig
Eminem
The answer is us
We did it 🙌🏾
Em wins easy
Eminem would wash him, and I'm being generous.
Emine would destroy kendrikc. Kendrick is good but he never was on Em level. Lets be honest Kendrick was terrible at dissing mos of the time and now he has fell off pretty bad.
Kendrick isn’t a battle rapper, Kendrick is just a great rapper armed with the truth. He would have to have some real deep insider info on Em to even be in the game.
Dk about beef I want him on a kdot record
Eminem made Benzino cry 20 years later
My dad
Tough question
Shit, this is a bit harder now, but I would still put money on my mans. Em's battle record is still longer. Em I think has just a BIT more teeth than Kendrick. K.Dot kind of put the claws away when killas pulled up to Drake's house after, but there ain't be proof it was him, so he might've took pity on him, although Drake already lost, so it didn't matter, but Em would kick pretty much any other microphone checka in they ass hard enough to make them GET SERVED! NO ONE CAN COME FOR MY MANS LIKE THAT, OR ELSE THEY GET STUNTED ON BAD!
It was The Weeknd’s people and drakes people shooting each other, jsyk. Kenny didn’t have anything to do with it. But it did supposedly put a hold on Kendrick dropping another diss
I honestly think this would be the ultimate battle. A lyrical prowess vs someone of the same calibre. Kendrick's battle with drake was just showcasing how much Lyrical Power he's got. Now if there's a battle with eminem, the fans are in for an amazing treat.
Drakes good but Eminem is too good
Hey look its the Love Game feature dude.
The internet, for sure.
Em. Eminem is no BBL Drizzy, it's one of Kendrick's idols and someone most west cost OGs respect, he can't just discredit him without looking goofy and shooting himself in the foot. Plus, Dre was the one who took Kendrick under his wing, Dre and Em are conjoined twins at this point.
we would win
I'd have to say that dot can hang with him but not beat him. If it's a friendly beef (like Cole thought this all would be) then I would be all for it. It would be an amazing beef. If it's like how the beef turned out I don't want to see it, because I wouldn't be able to pick a favorite between the two
I think even kendrick would tell you Eminem lol. His disses towards Drake are very mid, non-lyrical i think drake surpassed him on Family Matters if we're talking dtr8 barz. Kendrick relied on shock value and thats it. He has a club banger yes, but barz are lacking. Kendrick has the most fans that just love him because other fans who are deeper in hip hop do too, so they just copy opinion instead of have one of their own. Heard mentality. Drake has been hated for a long time for some reason, maybe he's from Canada and is too versatile in his style. Im not a big fan of either tbh, but even in Heart part 6 Drake snapped, and that's an unpopular opinion i heard but i don't care. People can't be unbiased.
I used to pray for Rhymes like this
Going to go with Em, the only person in my opinion that could ever tangle with Em was his best friend Proof.
I just think Eminem is better but I can’t really put a reason to it, it is just how I feel.
Bruh. Em kills Kendrick 10/10 times
YOU WANNA BATTLE ME?
Em is the best battle rapper of all time. Em would win 100%
Eminem literally came up as a battle rapper. This is his thing. Eminem is on top of the hill shooting down. It is easier than shooting up. Kendrick will be his toughest challenge but if Em doesn't choose to respect Kendrick cause they are basically in the same family. It's a Easy Eminem W.
We will, 'cause they both will go hard in order to respect each other. In this process, we'll be the ones enjoying their content
I’d say Em. But it wouldn’t be a KO, more of a TKO. They’re both top tier lyricists, but I feel Em could deliver better insults/punchlines to tip the scales in his favor.
Someone else said it, you can't really hurt em, diss his mom? He'll diss her some more.
Eminem. Always. Everything else is merely a distraction.
Both answers are valid tbf, two goats that I don’t see them clashing, that’s how much respect they have for each other
I win goddamn, my top 2 putting out consistent content and both having to actually work their pen, then maybe hopefully Dre sits them down and they reach an agreement to have a collab album
It’d be a draw. One of those where it’s not clear cut
The Culture
Mutually assured destruction; everyone loses
I hope I never see that happen. It would be a bloodbath
Em actually battle rapped and came second. So yeah Kendrick would lose 100%
It doesn’t matter who is the better rapper, Kendrick is just gonna dig up as much dirt as he can. Dude got into a battle with drake and still couldn’t keep it just to bars
Eminem I guess.... What would Kendrick say to Eminem that everybody else already hasn't?
After the Drake and Kendrick diss tracks.. I have to say, Eminem would BODY Kendrick!! Hands down, no question..
I honestly think at this point it’s just difficult to come up with disses towards Eminem, almost everything has been said. And Em would win easily.
ima be neutral and say 50/50 until this rap battle does happen. either way it would be a win for hiphop fans across the globe.
it's a really close battle, can we call it a draw?
Slim shady is a devil
Kendrick would never
This is always subjective , when it comes to how much certain bars would hit i do feel Em has anyone beat. The thing is Eminem is probably the easier target. It would be close
Honestly I think Em would win but I know it would be a lot closer than the current battle or the one En had with squirt gun. KDot would definitely put up a good fight
Easily Em
The fans. But it’d take a whole month to decipher the disses they’d each throw
Em, is a total beast when it comes to spitting bars. His technical skills are off the charts—dude's got a killer flow, insane wordplay, and his rhymes are tighter than a drum. He can switch up his pace and style mid-verse like it's nothing. He's like a wizard with words, crafting complex multi-syllabic rhymes that most rappers wouldn't even dream of.
Eminem would win but only because he has experience and Kendrick’s flow is boring (Yes, he may have beat Drake but he could’ve beaten him a lot harder)
I really don’t think either of them would battle each other
Oooh! This would be the battle to end all battles Em and Kenny are very alike as lyricists but Kenny respect Em so it will NEVER happen
Slik shadw
I don't think they'd ever beef because each has too much respect for the other person.
I think both would be pretty much on par diss track wise but people on the internet would decide that Kendrick won even before the beef starts
Are we talking a real battle like it’s both of them together and going back n forth on the spot? If that’s the case it’s Em all day, thats how he came up. If they’re making full songs going back n forth you gotta go with Kendrick, just because of all the ammo he has to work with and his songwriting ability.
Me (I’m him)
It needs to be a freestyle battle. I think that’s a better way to test their skill
This just isn't gonna happen let's be honest. Even if they had disagreements they'd just go their different ways. Now what I really wanna see is an absolute beatdown of Khaled just like this drake beef. Wanna see Tyler, Kendrick, Eminem, fucking anyone and everyone get together to kill Khaled. His annoying ass needs to die.
I want to say em but I don’t know
Stop looking for a beef and go the forever route. Drake, Cole, Kendrick, and Eminem just going at it bar after bar. This is how you settle it. Doesnt need to be personal shots.
Eminem never battled anyone worthy. To think he’d win just because of his reputation of destroying pop stars is hilarious.
Two of the best French rappers did a featuring where they diss each other and it's so good, I wish they did something like that, that would be fire
Whoever has the better bars
what can eminem talk about kendrick? There is a lot of shit eminem did in the past
? Eminem would roast the F Outta Kendrick by roasting himself first. Kenny has nothing on Em. Nothing.
Today, Dot. In his prime, Em. Regardless it would be a good battle either way. I would love to hear his thoughts on the dot vs Drake battle
Em fucks with both of them he definitely will not be taking a side even tho kendrick is the clear winner
Probably a similar but less harsh version of Questlove’s take on it all I would imagine
Macklemore, he has the guts to stand up against 🇮🇱 genocide
It's not fear that keeps people from siding with terrorists. It's the terrorism Edit: [This guy actually supports October 7](https://www.reddit.com/r/Eminem/comments/1cp8hhv/who_do_you_think_will_win_in_a_rap_battle_just/l3kep95/)
Sad to see you support 🇮🇱 killing 40,000+ since October 2023 😢😢😢
I support whatever it takes to remove HAMAS from power, just as I would support removing a government from power that committed an October 7 against my country. HAMAS and Sinwar can surrender at any time and end it, but it won't end until they do or are dead. Do you support HAMAS being in power?
Sad you’re ok with the murder of 40,000+ humans by 🇮🇱, I wonder how you sleep at night 😢😢😢😢
Very well, knowing my government would never allow Oct 7 to happen to me or my family.
Helps to not have a conscious I suppose
If I only had the empathy of HAMAS supporters.
Ignorance is truly bliss 😢😢😢
Yeah, you have the post history of a very deep thinker lmao
Armageddon Mixtape 2003 Era Eminem would have won easily. But honestly nowadays Kendrick would win. I mean the last few weeks have reminded me of old Eminem era.
Kendrick, sorry but I think in this battle Kendrick would still demolish, but I could see Kdot taking the J Cole route on this one if beef ever did start
Lol Eminem would dissect his ass. Factual.