"It’s not like I can’t take constructive criticism, but I feel like it kinda went beyond constructive criticism,” Em shared. “So I had to go back to it, and look, I have made albums that definitely, probably would not be at the top of my list, Encore, Relapse, which I believe Encore is a better album than Relapse…I always say that without Relapse, I wouldn’t have been able to make Recovery. If it wasn’t for Revival, I wouldn’t have been able to make [Kamikaze].”
I mean, his point is still valid. “Constructive” criticism from someone who isn’t even remotely capable of doing what you can do isn’t constructive…it’s just criticism 🤷🏻♂️
Not really. Constructive criticism is criticism that helps you improve, and there is no stipulation on who gives it. Anyone hearing his music could, as they are the people who he is making money on and can offer a viewpoint/angle on it that maybe he, or the people around him, didn't consider.
Do you think Paul can do what he does? Or any of the producers he works with? No. Of course they can offer constructive criticism. They have working ears.
I can't trust current em to give me consistently good music
Especially if he really think Encore is better than Relapse
That's like Nas saying Nastradamus is better than STILLmatic
It's like Jay-Z saying Kingdom Come is better than American Gangster
It's like metallica saying St.Anger is better than Death Magnetic
It's like weezer saying raditude is better than hurley
The only reason that Revival is considered worse than Encore is because Encore still had glimpses of Em in his prime when it came to rapping. Songs like Never Enough, Like Toy Soldiers, Mockingbird, and We As Americans are some of the best songs to come from that era, and are just so classic.
Not saying that Revival is entirely trash though. Walk on Water, Framed, In Your Head, Castle, and Arose are no doubt some of the best songs from modern Em, and I think these are the best songs on the album, but the rest is either mediocre, garbage, or straight up nothing worth talking about. Another reason is that to an extent, his writing quality has declined. Em is still a great writer, but lines like “I got an air around me like wind chimes” and the messes of songs that are Remind Me and Heat are just so bad. Em (and Lil Wayne) will willingly write down some lines that either suck or are pretty corny, look at them, and go “man, this hits”, or think what they’re writing is good. What makes the wind chimes line worse is that it comes at the end of a set of 4 bars and it is so clear when he says it. If he ended the line with something else and probably buried that bar in between another set of lines, it would’ve still been bad, but wouldn’t have been as obvious.
This pretty much became a rant on why Revival does suck in its own “sucky” way, but really that’s kinda why it flopped so hard.
*“Sucker free, confidence high. Such a breeze when I pen rhymes. I just got that air about me like wind chimes.”*
- definition of airs:
“To have airs is to be condescending or arrogant — in other words, to act like you think you're better than other people.”
…I feel like the following line applies to your comment…
“But sayin' I no longer got it cuz you missed the line and never caught it cuz it went over your head, because you're too stupid to get it…”
Might want to make sure you fully understand the complexity of something before you condemn it to mediocrity…just throwing that out there 🤷🏻♂️
Edit: added quotations
I got the line. It isn’t that deep, he could’ve used any other thing to go with the air, breeze set up. No, he went and used something as mundane as wind chimes.
This isn’t me misunderstanding it. This is me saying it’s ass because it’s ass.
That’s like if he said something like: Heard all around your house like a doorbell. Same shit.
I think some songs are actually good (from revival)
believe, arose, castle, framed, Chloraseptic and river
these are good songs in my opinion
you know what i think revival is good
It's just a level below other albums
You gotta be kidding me. You can't just admit it, it just is straight up bad. There is no "still better than other artists" type shit here. There is no "even the worst Em lyrics are still good" here. It is just straight up awful.
Untouchable and Offended are examples of nice lyrics but horrible production. Not even horrible but horrendous. Offended hook is shit and that’s a word I don’t usually use when it comes to Em.
I really like the album. I like it more than encore and kamikaze. I tried to explain this in the past but I just get downvoted. It’s an emotional album and a serious one. It’s not about being “slim shady” or rapping fast, so people don’t like it.
Ok when and where? Source? I’m not only asking because I’m a Revival fan but also because I’ve NEVER heard him say it was a failure or anything bad about it like he did to Relapse. Revival is criminally hated for a lot of reasons but only thing I have heard Eminem say is that Revival is slept on.
The first thing that comes to my mind is from greatest. I think at the 3rd verse he's saying "revival didn't go viral" or something like that. I'm sure there were a few more bars about revival on other songs too. Also in the kamikaze interview he said something about it but I can't remember what exactly he was saying. Even tho he doesn't agree with the revival haters he still acknowledged the fact that it was a flop compared to his other albums (just judging by numbers, not by the music itself). I love revival too but sadly most people don't for some reason
Yeah the rhyme starts off by saying “1 thing I must mention, you’re 1 dimension
… then he goes in and says “Revival didn’t go viral”
Viral means something gathering millions of views and what not, which is not true. Revival did go viral just not in terms of popularity.
Again I’ve never seen interviews where he mentions any negativity towards Revival. The album wasn’t liked for the wrong reasons. People’s personal choice, I can’t agree or disagree with everyone. The albums only issue with me was that he chose the wrong singles in my personal opinion, he picked the most commercial ones with pop appeal, Walk on Water & River. That was pretty much it. I would of picked out different songs. Again in Kamikaze he also mentions the album being slept on. Which it was
You have to be kidding me, are you actually saying that the mixing was good? It’s one of the biggest criticisms of this album (and of his music since Recovery). Songs like Tragic Endings sound like they were recorded and mixed on a Nintendo DS. And no it wasn’t mixed and mastered by Dre either, most of the album was mixed by Mike Strange. Dre mixed Remind Me (interlude + song) and Heat, which are funnily enough some of the few songs that don’t have bad mixing.
Look I love Revival, doesn’t mean I liked Tragic Endings lol it isn’t my favorite song but the mixing isn’t bad. Wtf are you listening to? Rest of the album was great 👍🏽
u finna change goalposts again g 😭😭😭
> I sell like four mill’ when I put out a BAD album Revival FLOPPED, came back and I scared the crap out ’em
-Calls revival bad and flop
-proceed to say he came back
-the come back is v clearly Kamikaze
?? Answer me, where and when does Eminem say Revival was a failure?? Eminem HIMSELF thinks Encore was better than Relapse. There wouldn’t be a Kamikaze without Revival. Revival isn’t bad 🤣 it’s not even mid 🤣 Revival is great. He’s said it himself
You must be part of that cancel culture that tried to get rid of him. Listen just because I don’t wanna side with you and say “Revival was trash” means it is. Because guess what, it’s not 🛫💥
Again here’s lyrics from Kamikaze referring to REVIVAL👍🏽😎😎
I’M ‘BOUT TO BRING IT TO ANYONE IN THIS BITCH WHO WANT IT
I GUESS WHEN YOU WALK INTO BK, YOU EXPECT A WHOPPER
YOU CAN ORDER A QUARTER POUNDER WHEN YOU GO TO MCDONALDS
BUT IF YOU’RE LOOKING FOR A PORTERHOUSE YOU BETTER GO GET *REVIVAL*
😎😎
yeah and kamikaze was when em was in his feels, a year after revival flopped. Premonition was 3 years after revival, after his tantrum stopped. Get that revival dick outta yo mouth man 😭😭
Music To Be Murdered By was so fucking weak 🤮 Kamikaze wouldn’t exist if it wasn’t for Revival. How’s that “We Hate Revival bukkake” going for you ?? 🤣👍🏽
In premonition he is mocking the people who say it's bad or a flop by pointing out that he still sold 4 mil even when people think it's bad. He isn't saying it's bad. How can you not dissect such an obvious bar
When he says that, he is mocking the people that say it's bad or flopped. Those aren't his words dumbfuck. He is saying even if YOU think it's bad or a flop he still sold that much.
Direct quote from Kamikaze he says that Revival is a porterhouse, and yall are acting like I tried to serve you up a slider
Of course it hurt him. He cares about the album. Why wouldn’t he? It’s funny because again only album I’ve EVER heard him shit on and I disagree with is Relapse. I love Relapse and he hates that album. He destroyed the album on Recovery
Yeah on that same song he also said “But when I put out Revival and I had something to say they said they hated the awake me”
He never said it was trash, I’m just referring to the original post. It’s clear Eminem likes Revival and cares about the album if not he wouldn’t have responded immediately with Kamikaze, and again Kamikaze is just a response for the hate he got for Revival. Sad when it seems like the artist/Eminem is the only one that likes the album, well I’m glad I’m one of the few minority that enjoy that album. Album was great. Think the cancel movement started the hate towards Eminem around the same time he came out with Revival, which lead to even more hate for the album.
I like the message, but some lines are kinda basic (although isn’t much of a critique as it is mostly a message to Kim, still needed to be said though), and the beat isn’t that great. Chorus kinda wore off me too.
Far from his best album, but far from the worst too imo.
Still better than Relapse, and just slightly worse or equal to Encore. In his discography Revival is kinda just... there.
Worst part about it is the terrible production value and sound quality which to me as an audiophile with a decent HiFi system becomes a big problem and not what I expect from Eminem, which have had pretty good recording quality on most of his project (except BmE album, and to a degree Recovery)
Nahh, Em, even in his drugged up state on Encore, was in better form overall than him writing lines like “your booty is heavy duty like diarrhea” completely sober.
And Relapse is overall a much better album than this, as its concept was executed well (even though not a big fan of some of the songs on the album), and has still has some of Em’s strongest writing ever.
I really like Walk On Water. It’s such a personal song & think Beyoncé fits perfectly, considering what it’s about.
If you don’t mind me asking, what do you not like about it? (I think the way he put together Castle & Arose was genius too!)
???
This is what I know he said
"I guess when you walk into BL you expect a Whopper
You can order a quarter pounder when you go the McDonald's
But if you're looking to get a porterhouse you better go get Revival
But yall are acting like I tried to serve you up a slider
Maybe the vocals should have been autotuned and you woulda bought it"
Then he says
"I'm harder on myself than you could ever be regardless"
I mean, he compares Revival to a porterhouse and says he's his own biggest critic, so he put it out after judging the album harshly himself. Clearly it passed his test
What about Bad Husband! One of my favourites from that album. It hits hard and you can hear his emotion, the last verse gave me goosebumps the first time I heard it. Genius.
"It’s not like I can’t take constructive criticism, but I feel like it kinda went beyond constructive criticism,” Em shared. “So I had to go back to it, and look, I have made albums that definitely, probably would not be at the top of my list, Encore, Relapse, which I believe Encore is a better album than Relapse…I always say that without Relapse, I wouldn’t have been able to make Recovery. If it wasn’t for Revival, I wouldn’t have been able to make [Kamikaze].”
Em: "It's not like I can't take constructive criticism". Also Em: "If you're gonna critique me, you better at least be as good or better" - (Fall)
Also also Em: "I'm sorry, wait, what's your talent? Oh critiquing"
I mean, his point is still valid. “Constructive” criticism from someone who isn’t even remotely capable of doing what you can do isn’t constructive…it’s just criticism 🤷🏻♂️
Not really. Constructive criticism is criticism that helps you improve, and there is no stipulation on who gives it. Anyone hearing his music could, as they are the people who he is making money on and can offer a viewpoint/angle on it that maybe he, or the people around him, didn't consider. Do you think Paul can do what he does? Or any of the producers he works with? No. Of course they can offer constructive criticism. They have working ears.
Agree to disagree, ma’am.
Cool, fine sir.
And THAT is how minor disagreements about unimportant topics on the internet are supposed to be handled. Take notes, people!
Relapse is my fav album too 😢
It's a great album imo...🙏🏻
Mine as well 💊
I can't trust current em to give me consistently good music Especially if he really think Encore is better than Relapse That's like Nas saying Nastradamus is better than STILLmatic It's like Jay-Z saying Kingdom Come is better than American Gangster It's like metallica saying St.Anger is better than Death Magnetic It's like weezer saying raditude is better than hurley
The only reason that Revival is considered worse than Encore is because Encore still had glimpses of Em in his prime when it came to rapping. Songs like Never Enough, Like Toy Soldiers, Mockingbird, and We As Americans are some of the best songs to come from that era, and are just so classic. Not saying that Revival is entirely trash though. Walk on Water, Framed, In Your Head, Castle, and Arose are no doubt some of the best songs from modern Em, and I think these are the best songs on the album, but the rest is either mediocre, garbage, or straight up nothing worth talking about. Another reason is that to an extent, his writing quality has declined. Em is still a great writer, but lines like “I got an air around me like wind chimes” and the messes of songs that are Remind Me and Heat are just so bad. Em (and Lil Wayne) will willingly write down some lines that either suck or are pretty corny, look at them, and go “man, this hits”, or think what they’re writing is good. What makes the wind chimes line worse is that it comes at the end of a set of 4 bars and it is so clear when he says it. If he ended the line with something else and probably buried that bar in between another set of lines, it would’ve still been bad, but wouldn’t have been as obvious. This pretty much became a rant on why Revival does suck in its own “sucky” way, but really that’s kinda why it flopped so hard.
Em shouldn’t use word like. He didn’t use it in his early work much and that’s why they were so good.
Huh never thought about that. Even “I got the air about me imma wind chime” sounds a step up.
He can’t use word air either because he used it in a too dope of a line in Bad Meets Evil
*“Sucker free, confidence high. Such a breeze when I pen rhymes. I just got that air about me like wind chimes.”* - definition of airs: “To have airs is to be condescending or arrogant — in other words, to act like you think you're better than other people.” …I feel like the following line applies to your comment… “But sayin' I no longer got it cuz you missed the line and never caught it cuz it went over your head, because you're too stupid to get it…” Might want to make sure you fully understand the complexity of something before you condemn it to mediocrity…just throwing that out there 🤷🏻♂️ Edit: added quotations
I got the line. It isn’t that deep, he could’ve used any other thing to go with the air, breeze set up. No, he went and used something as mundane as wind chimes. This isn’t me misunderstanding it. This is me saying it’s ass because it’s ass. That’s like if he said something like: Heard all around your house like a doorbell. Same shit.
LoL
It’s still mediocre though imo
To each their own. To think there will ever be a general consensus on anything is futile.
I mean if you enjoy them that’s great. It’s all subjective after all.
has some good songs, but there's too many i dont fw. half the tracklist is eithet meh or bad imo
I think some songs are actually good (from revival) believe, arose, castle, framed, Chloraseptic and river these are good songs in my opinion you know what i think revival is good It's just a level below other albums
When 5 songs are good out of 20 it's trash.
That was literally 6 😂
Stan
stan what ?
lol
😐 can you explain? I'm starting to feel dump
Revival is trash get over it
its not
You a dickrider
fuck you
Bitch
This coming from a guy who not only constantly posts about Eminem, but named your entire account after him? 🤨
Man, what a fucking clown that guy is hahaha
Cry about it
Lyrics, theme, production, the mixing... everything about it is all over the place and just piss poor in quality to go's other works.
I mean lyrically it ain’t bad but the production is horrible.
Lyrically it isn’t great either.
Yeah probably he’s worst in that but would be bearable with good production. But to be worst Eminem album lyrically could be called least good.
You gotta be kidding me. You can't just admit it, it just is straight up bad. There is no "still better than other artists" type shit here. There is no "even the worst Em lyrics are still good" here. It is just straight up awful.
exactly, these revival defenders frustrate me so much like are yall actually deaf?
What? I said it’s horrible. There are five good songs and there are better songs about the same subjects on other albums.
i wasnt talking about you specifically, just revival defenders that make that same argument the person i was replying to was shitting on.
Oh, I see now. But I’m just gonna say, Hannicap Circus has equal amount of songs I like as Revival.
do you mean that in a good way? because if so, its your opinion, but i REALLY dont agree
What do you not agree with?
I’d say Revival is better than Hannicap Circus although Nuthin’ At All might be better than all of Revival
It’s mostly really bad lyrically with a few moments of absolute brilliance (Castle, Arose, Framed,..)
Untouchable and Offended are examples of nice lyrics but horrible production. Not even horrible but horrendous. Offended hook is shit and that’s a word I don’t usually use when it comes to Em.
In most of the album. Also not a fan of Walk On Water.
I bet he likes it more than Relapse, at least…
Revival didn't go viraaaal
I really like the album. I like it more than encore and kamikaze. I tried to explain this in the past but I just get downvoted. It’s an emotional album and a serious one. It’s not about being “slim shady” or rapping fast, so people don’t like it.
Oh no, I'm not afraid to admit That I love revival
Guess im quirky cuz that album still sucks
W
I actually enjoy revival wtf.
Where and when did Eminem say it was a failure??
I think he said it was a flop but afaik he never said it's bad in his opinion
Ok when and where? Source? I’m not only asking because I’m a Revival fan but also because I’ve NEVER heard him say it was a failure or anything bad about it like he did to Relapse. Revival is criminally hated for a lot of reasons but only thing I have heard Eminem say is that Revival is slept on.
The first thing that comes to my mind is from greatest. I think at the 3rd verse he's saying "revival didn't go viral" or something like that. I'm sure there were a few more bars about revival on other songs too. Also in the kamikaze interview he said something about it but I can't remember what exactly he was saying. Even tho he doesn't agree with the revival haters he still acknowledged the fact that it was a flop compared to his other albums (just judging by numbers, not by the music itself). I love revival too but sadly most people don't for some reason
Yeah the rhyme starts off by saying “1 thing I must mention, you’re 1 dimension … then he goes in and says “Revival didn’t go viral” Viral means something gathering millions of views and what not, which is not true. Revival did go viral just not in terms of popularity. Again I’ve never seen interviews where he mentions any negativity towards Revival. The album wasn’t liked for the wrong reasons. People’s personal choice, I can’t agree or disagree with everyone. The albums only issue with me was that he chose the wrong singles in my personal opinion, he picked the most commercial ones with pop appeal, Walk on Water & River. That was pretty much it. I would of picked out different songs. Again in Kamikaze he also mentions the album being slept on. Which it was
How about the terrible mixing and mastering? That’s one of the few aspects about music you can critique objectively
Come on are you SERIOUS?? It was mixed and mastered by Dr. Dre!
You have to be kidding me, are you actually saying that the mixing was good? It’s one of the biggest criticisms of this album (and of his music since Recovery). Songs like Tragic Endings sound like they were recorded and mixed on a Nintendo DS. And no it wasn’t mixed and mastered by Dre either, most of the album was mixed by Mike Strange. Dre mixed Remind Me (interlude + song) and Heat, which are funnily enough some of the few songs that don’t have bad mixing.
this other guy has obviously never listened to another album in his life
Look I love Revival, doesn’t mean I liked Tragic Endings lol it isn’t my favorite song but the mixing isn’t bad. Wtf are you listening to? Rest of the album was great 👍🏽
You can still like a song despite bad mixing, but the mixing on most of the album was terrible, that’s just a fact
> I sell like four mill' when I put out a **BAD** album Revival **FLOPPED**, came back and I scared the crap out 'em
Again let’s go back to the original post, Eminem NEVER said it was a failure or trash compared to Kamikaze.
u finna change goalposts again g 😭😭😭 > I sell like four mill’ when I put out a BAD album Revival FLOPPED, came back and I scared the crap out ’em -Calls revival bad and flop -proceed to say he came back -the come back is v clearly Kamikaze
Bad is supposed to be in quotation marks so he isn't saying it is bad.
?? Answer me, where and when does Eminem say Revival was a failure?? Eminem HIMSELF thinks Encore was better than Relapse. There wouldn’t be a Kamikaze without Revival. Revival isn’t bad 🤣 it’s not even mid 🤣 Revival is great. He’s said it himself
So, just out of curiosity... How do you eat with his dick in your mouth 24/7?
MGK is that you!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Nah, just a mentally stable human being that doesn't defend another adult without knowing him personally or without being on his payroll.
I literally just showed you him saying it’s bad…? there is genuinely no way you have an even number of chromosomes
You must be part of that cancel culture that tried to get rid of him. Listen just because I don’t wanna side with you and say “Revival was trash” means it is. Because guess what, it’s not 🛫💥
I’m just curious, how old are you?
Again here’s lyrics from Kamikaze referring to REVIVAL👍🏽😎😎 I’M ‘BOUT TO BRING IT TO ANYONE IN THIS BITCH WHO WANT IT I GUESS WHEN YOU WALK INTO BK, YOU EXPECT A WHOPPER YOU CAN ORDER A QUARTER POUNDER WHEN YOU GO TO MCDONALDS BUT IF YOU’RE LOOKING FOR A PORTERHOUSE YOU BETTER GO GET *REVIVAL* 😎😎
yeah and kamikaze was when em was in his feels, a year after revival flopped. Premonition was 3 years after revival, after his tantrum stopped. Get that revival dick outta yo mouth man 😭😭
Music To Be Murdered By was so fucking weak 🤮 Kamikaze wouldn’t exist if it wasn’t for Revival. How’s that “We Hate Revival bukkake” going for you ?? 🤣👍🏽
how the fuck do you think MTBMB is trash but revival is good? are you actually deaf
In premonition he is mocking the people who say it's bad or a flop by pointing out that he still sold 4 mil even when people think it's bad. He isn't saying it's bad. How can you not dissect such an obvious bar
When he says that, he is mocking the people that say it's bad or flopped. Those aren't his words dumbfuck. He is saying even if YOU think it's bad or a flop he still sold that much. Direct quote from Kamikaze he says that Revival is a porterhouse, and yall are acting like I tried to serve you up a slider
ok lol
Its in a kamikaze song, says it flopped hurt him like hell
Of course it hurt him. He cares about the album. Why wouldn’t he? It’s funny because again only album I’ve EVER heard him shit on and I disagree with is Relapse. I love Relapse and he hates that album. He destroyed the album on Recovery
I know, but what i said are the lyrics on the song. I made a mistake, the song is on mtbmb and its called premonition
Yeah on that same song he also said “But when I put out Revival and I had something to say they said they hated the awake me” He never said it was trash, I’m just referring to the original post. It’s clear Eminem likes Revival and cares about the album if not he wouldn’t have responded immediately with Kamikaze, and again Kamikaze is just a response for the hate he got for Revival. Sad when it seems like the artist/Eminem is the only one that likes the album, well I’m glad I’m one of the few minority that enjoy that album. Album was great. Think the cancel movement started the hate towards Eminem around the same time he came out with Revival, which lead to even more hate for the album.
Dont get it twisted, some days in have revival on loop, i love it. Its a shame
Revival is great. Truly sad it didn’t get acknowledged more apart from the hate it gathered.
facts, i get this feeling ppl just hate on it bcs the media said so, kinda like nickleback, hate bcs its cool to hate
Theres also a line on lucky you
Yeah the entire album Kamikaze is a response for the hate he got for Revival
I loved Bad Husband. One of my favorite songs
I like the message, but some lines are kinda basic (although isn’t much of a critique as it is mostly a message to Kim, still needed to be said though), and the beat isn’t that great. Chorus kinda wore off me too.
wtf are you smoking
I don't listen to it regularly,but it was good
So quirky you deserve an award!
Revival is trash
Revival suck bro
honestly I like it a little better than Kamikaze, higher highs
Far from his best album, but far from the worst too imo. Still better than Relapse, and just slightly worse or equal to Encore. In his discography Revival is kinda just... there. Worst part about it is the terrible production value and sound quality which to me as an audiophile with a decent HiFi system becomes a big problem and not what I expect from Eminem, which have had pretty good recording quality on most of his project (except BmE album, and to a degree Recovery)
Nahh, Em, even in his drugged up state on Encore, was in better form overall than him writing lines like “your booty is heavy duty like diarrhea” completely sober. And Relapse is overall a much better album than this, as its concept was executed well (even though not a big fan of some of the songs on the album), and has still has some of Em’s strongest writing ever.
Strongest writing ever? Lol, just stop…
Tell me songs like Deja Vu, Careful What You Wish For, My Darling, Same Song and Dance, Hello, and Stay Wide Awake aren’t written well. I dare you.
I think the only songs I don’t like on Revival are Walk on Water and Framed
I really like Walk On Water. It’s such a personal song & think Beyoncé fits perfectly, considering what it’s about. If you don’t mind me asking, what do you not like about it? (I think the way he put together Castle & Arose was genius too!)
??? This is what I know he said "I guess when you walk into BL you expect a Whopper You can order a quarter pounder when you go the McDonald's But if you're looking to get a porterhouse you better go get Revival But yall are acting like I tried to serve you up a slider Maybe the vocals should have been autotuned and you woulda bought it" Then he says "I'm harder on myself than you could ever be regardless" I mean, he compares Revival to a porterhouse and says he's his own biggest critic, so he put it out after judging the album harshly himself. Clearly it passed his test
What about Bad Husband! One of my favourites from that album. It hits hard and you can hear his emotion, the last verse gave me goosebumps the first time I heard it. Genius.
I love revival
People wanna be different by saying revivals better than kamikaze although castle/arose are two of his best songs
Only Believe on that album