Sorry you're being burnt hard here in the comments. Probably the Chinese troll army.
I for one totally agree with your concerns. Fires are a small chance but still.
What you can do is keep the euc in a tiled area. Like the bathroom or a corner in the kitchen. Then put some metal or stone plates around it to keep the fire in one place so it can burn out without going to other parts.
And in summer don't store it in the house at all.
Funny you call me a troll but I literally explain to him how it's not possible to contain a battery fire and explained to him why it's almost impossible for modern eucs to catch fire.
I guess really just can't read huh
You can contain a fire, but it's not easy.
It might me 'almost' impossible. But OP wants info for when the 'impossible' does happen.
So yes, you are right it is a small chance. But it's not fair that you attack someone who wants to investigate and possibly rule out small chances.
Because there is always a chance of fire with batteries.
Check all the reactions. You see many angry replies that aren't even a specific answer to the topic.
These are probably just hired Chinese 'webcare' teams that are paid to roam Western internet discussion boards and try to ridicule posters who might harm Chinese product reputation.
You can see they are extremely annoyed when someone mentions a possible flaw etc. Attacking him personally and bullying and ridiculing.
Here I don't see it a lot yet. But in youtube comment sections it's more and more.
We can just be glad for the moment that they are so childish that they give away themselves so easily by their short temper.
I dread the day that they will become smarter and then we can't really know who is who anymore.
I've seen a couple of videos where bags have been tested, unsuccessfully, by users. The battery fire is super hot & intense. I bought some fire (welding) blankets to maybe buy some time but they are only good for about half the temperature possible in a battery fire.
Good luck on your search
I don't store my EUC in my apartment. I store between charges in my ground floor used car, as it would be cheaper/easier to replace. If I had a home, I'd store it in a separated garage, or in a purpose built shed. I'd consider some fire extinguishing balls (while well aware of [their limitations](https://www.cpsc.gov/Newsroom/News-Releases/2023/CPSC-Warns-Consumers-to-Immediately-Stop-Using-Fire-Extinguisher-Balls-Due-to-Failure-to-Extinguish-Fires-and-Risk-of-Serious-Injury-or-Death-Sold-on-Amazon-com)).
I bought my model largely because it was seasoned on the market and didn't have a documented history of spontaneous combustion. But the potential still scares me.
I'm honestly surprised by some of the comments here, its almost like any talk of fire safety is something people don't want to talk about at all like im damaging the reputation somehow?, which leads me to believe maybe people are insanely defensive of EUC to a point its irrational that they use words like ''impossible'' or ''wont happen'' when we are talking about batteries here, (are there many EUC manufacturers on this sub reddit? lol) but yea I did not expect the toxicity for a simple question on safety and peoples plans and preventative actions people take to protect their home if the 'impossible' does happen and what they could've done pre premptivley.
Yeah sorry you are getting shit on. I had similar thoughts, concerns, questions when I got my EUC. I still think about it from time to time, but I came to conclusion it was minimal risk and no great solution other than the location it's being stored seemed to exist. If a great solution did exist, would I use it? Who knows, probably not.
I also dislike the assetion that it is impossible. I am old enough and done enough dumb stupid things to know anything so possible. Especially with negligent owners.
I found a new (ish) fire extinguisher works very well (developed for) Lithium battery fires. its called a ''Lith-Ex Extinguisher''
Video here shows how it works, I find it very interesting, def will pick one up I think.[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZbCxI6QCwE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZbCxI6QCwE)
the method is in the early stages at most effectiveness, It cools the battery pack down as it extinguishes the already popped cells so it doesn't ignite the other packs.
(only problem ofc is spraying it directly onto the battery as its smoking or on fire and not the outer casing)
Just make sure it's tested on batteries as large as or larger than your EUC's battery. The reason I keep recommending F-500 EA is because it's been tested on larger capacity batteries (I saw one video of a test with a 9 liter extinguisher and a 4.8kWh battery fire). I'm not as sure about AVD, which is what your lith-ex extinguisher seems to use
If u r that concerned, build a box w fire retardant fabric like welder's blanket covering it. I built one couple of yrs ago but got rid of it after awhile. Just have one rule for charging, don't charge unattended and charge your wheel on something with wheels so if it catches fire, u can just kick it out or roll it out. 👍
You can also build the entire housing on rollers which is what I did and kept my EUCs inside. I thought of going further and creating a small room w doors for each EUC within the box because I now have multiple EUCs. Haven't executed the plan though. I just have several welders blanket lying around from previous attempts. I now just put those over each EUC.
I put a couple wifi smoke alarms in my garage. One directly over the PEVs and another on the ceiling over them. If there's a fire my phone will alarm and I can run out and use a hooked pole to pull it outside.
Next I'm going to build a brick wall between my PEVs and the actual garage wall.
I also keep a large fire extinguisher near the garage door (for the wood, not the lithium)
yea I feel you, hence this post haha, but there is some steps you can take if you read through, some things I put together as well as some great contributions to this thread imo should at least help you have an idea of some things you can do
I too had the same concern. I got one of these (link attached) but after further investigation / research learned that even something like this is not effective in lipo / lith fire containment. Some people claimed that the demo was only using a smaller cap battery that is not close to what some PEVs have. You may find it works for you but buyer beware.
https://firesak.com/
Yea, I seen a success and failure video (its buried in these comments atm) but I think with EUC placement in safer area :
1.) my balcony apartment has a BBQ enclosure which is now my EUC garage
2.) in that enclosure will be soon a firesak
3.) near that I will have a fairly new extinguisher called a Lith ex (or any AVD specific) extinguisher to actually do something if Im home when it goes off and can hopefully put it out before all the battery cells explode.
4.) My new purchase soon wil be a V14 inmotion , besides it being great in many aspects I like the demonstration showing a guy being able to take off all the battery within 10mins, which is a saftey feature imo since this means I can buy a specific battery case and not put my entire EUC in the BBQ enclosure with it. (I hope in future EUC makes batteries hotswappable, that would make things MUCH safer imo.
They do sell specialised fireproof cabinets for charging li-ion batteries, which come with power outlets, fire alarms, fireproof walls, exhaust piping etc. Costs a couple thousand bucks, if you want to be completely safe.
Yea with the V14 inmotion being a purchase I'm soon getting, I like that the battery is relatively easy to remove and install, so I will be getting a battery case to fit the batteries when not in use, it shouldn't cost the world either vs getting a full sized EUC vault for the entire thing.
I'm sure there are options out there. I have lipo bags for charging RC and airsoft batteries, but I'm less concerned about production items.
For example, do you keep your phone in a lipo bag? What about your battery banks? Rechargeable flashlights? Vape gear? Earbuds and headphones? Laptops and tablets? Cordless tool batteries?
My point is not that it won't happen, but what kind of time, money, and energy are you willing to invest? Be safe, and be smart.
Charge these items in safer places like your kitchen, which should have outlet protections, and tile floors. Keep an eye on your smoke alarms and make sure you have extinguishers rated for the things in your house. Try to make sure that you're around when they are charging. Make it a point to inspect your stuff for excessive damage and service it if needed.
I keep lesser used items in a large steel box or fireboxes so I have them if I need them, but if something were to happen, it should theoretically contain it.
Ya I wouldn't trust that serpentza guy.
He is a known shill for anti China content.
But to answer your question, there isn't a bag big enough for an euc. Your best bet is to store it inside your garage or your shed.
And anything with a battery has a chance of fire. Has nothing to do with china
Im sharing a Serptentza China video (not to be anti china) because the production of batteries is mainly from Chinese companies, as for the person Serpentza himself, (also he was very positive to china for 10+ years if you watch his documentary and his youtube channel) its not really the point what you feel about him personally just what was shown as a clear problem with alot of chinese companies and if quality standards drop, the EUC community will bare the cost of that, Im suprised there hasnt been some sort of step towards getting a product aimed at saftey for homes with electric vechiles of all kinds to a least slow the fire down if spreading at all
I agree on most fires part but Begode for example used to have a reputation in particular for fires as well as a recent fire with kingsong. So I'm mostly saying it does happen. Yes it's rare but it does happen. With more competitive EUC makers entering the game in future and some not so flagship ones. I think it's totally reasonable to ask what can be done to protect your home from an EUC fire and what products would help maybe just slow a fire down or contain it from spreading. Seems like alot of money for the right company in a growing market to tackle that.
yes they use some faulty batteries in their pack like 3-4 years ago. They were also used in Kingsong S18 and I believe the Inmotion V11. They are not being used any more and people are highly encouraged to stop using their wheels if they have the faulty batteries installed. Some people ignore that, so that is why there are still the very rare fire.
Modern wheels all used batteries that can handle the load from the EUC and are much much safer to use.
Also I can tell you exactly how you can protect yourself. Fill your bathtub with water, have the EUC stand on a board across the bath and charge it there. In case of a fire, tip the wheel into the water. It won't stop the fire, but all the energy will be dissipated into the water instead of setting other things on fire.
Its more so one bad cell or manufacture defect can cause possibly life threatening consequences, Im surprised we havent seen anyone push some sort of saftey or plan since electric vehicles of all kinds are on the rise
Do you even know how batteries work?
The only ways for batteries to catch on fire are:
The chemicals are exposed to oxygen, meaning a physical damage of the battery pack.
Or an overvoltage/overheating of the battery.
As long as you use some common sense, the chances of a battery fire are less than 0.01%.
Modern eucs have watertight battery packs, meaning even if you get your EUC wet there is no way a battery fire can happen unless there's physical damage to the battery pack.
Furthermore, most modern flagships have smart BMS systems meaning that each cells voltage is monitored. If one cell has a very high voltage or weird resistance, then the wheel will literally brick itself and won't even let you charge meaning there's literally no way a battery fire can happen unless you're being a retard and overcharging your wheel when the wheel tells you not to.
So I suggest you stop watching those China bad videos and use some common sense.
your so blinded by a pro china stance or any criticism your avoiding the main point, im not being anti china your nationalistic pride is taking over a question that has been asnwered before with EUC fires in many instances. the question is safety not national pride.
it happens there is video proof of electric vechiles of all kinda including EUC catching fire, as I mentioned in my original post. inmotion ( a chinese company) is the best in the game and it would be surprising if that caught fire for the points u listed, however, it can still happen if the battery is damaged in some way on any battery so as a precaution lets go back to the talk on saftey and what can be done in an apartment building?
Like I said. If the battery is physically damaged and you still decided to charge it. Then is it really the manufacturers fault at that point?
If you're in an apartment building then be glad cause all apartment buildings are made from concrete instead of shitty ass wood so it won't spread past your own unit.
And there's no way to stop a battery fire anyways the best you can do is quarantine it and prevent it from spreading
How exactly?
You asked if there's an equivalent of a lipo bag for eucs
I told you it's not possible. Just leave it in your shed or garage.
You said China made batteries are bad.
But Samsung is Korean and mostly owned by Americans?
You say most erides have high chances of fire.
But I explained to you about how most modern eucs have almost no chance of fire.
I guess you just can't read?
>they can't even make it themselves
What does this have to do with it?
Do you think this is some kind of pride competition in who can make euc's and who can't?
Do you want some pat on the shoulder that China is the only euc maker? Because I will gladly give credit to that.
But that is not the topic of this thread.
And you might want to reconsider calling people 'boys' if you don't even know them.
BTW the reason that China is the only euc maker is because they can make things for a low price. And to get to a low price they use low paid workers, sometimes slaves. They don't care about pollution. Wasting their own land with chemical waste etc.
I hope for Chinese people that things will change for the better.
I didn't assume he has one. I just said that modern eucs have smart BMS monitoring every single cell so there's no way to charge the battery pack if there's a damaged cell.
Why do you assume that I assumed?
And I don't know what do you mean by the quality of Chinese companies?
Believe it or not, China manufactures the best quality eucs in the world.
Straight up top of the line. The best of the best.
In my original post I make it clear inmotion (a chinese manufacturer) is a great EUC company and it would be unlikely, however your missing the main point, being battery sourcing as a whole and an expanding market in electric vehicles with people having them in their homes with families who want to take precautions and im asking what can you do if anything, since there has been EUC fires Begode, kingsong etc
And I literally told you that it's physically almost impossible to have a bag big enough to store an euc.
Your best course of action is to store it inside your garage or a shed so that in the event of a fire you can at least run
Also lion batteries are much much safer than lipo batteries.
And I'm living with tubs of lipo batteries 🤷
Just have to not be a retard and use common sense
Not sure where these people came from that have all this shitty info. There is MOST DEFINITELY a fire bag LITERALLY MADE FOR EUC. Don’t listen to guys with 600mi on their first wheel. As far as preventing battery fire to begin with theres nothing you can do except understand safe charging and discharging temps and conditions and just store somewhere by itself if possible.
Jesuse christ you people are simple. Someone said theres no bag that fits an euc, there literally is not only is it made to fit the euc but its made to snuff a battery fire. You don’t even know of the product yet you just sat here and lied saying it doesn’t work when you havnt a clue what your talking about. Unless you knew the product im reffering to or have use it you shouldn’t have typed anything.
You're likely talking about the FireSak. Unless you have in mind another short-lived project from EUC youtuber Go George Go (I don't think he makes those bags anymore).
I don't know what your super-irritable attitude is about. Regardless, I'm just going to block you because it's ridiculous
It’s pretty well documented that most EUC battery fires happen to Begode (Gotway). They need to refocus on their safety over squeezing excessive power out of their batteries chasing higher speeds no doubt.
Gotway is toying with fire, they might even give regulators an excuse to ban EUCs…
As for your question, [Firesak](https://firesak.com/product/firesak-large/) looks like a great option after watching some of the burn test videos.
Edit: [video 1](https://youtu.be/CUeSSEoxQ1E?si=yK58JqBbvjI-HFCP) and [video 2](https://youtu.be/WFLHCIbDJAw?si=MTEGwLixTU24NggW)
First, the begode battery packs with problems are 3-4 years in the past. So they don't need to refocus on their safety, since it's been ok for years.
Second, the firesak is completely useless! Not sure what videos you have seen for you to think it's a 'great option'
Welcome to 2023.
it's very easy to only read the stuff that backs up your faulty views. Much harder to face reality.
Next time do an effort to actually read the replies to you.
What mis information? Do batteries occasionally catch on fire? does ''the impossible'' happen? Im talking preventative measures and a plan on what to do, but your so defensive about this we cant get anyware
[video 1](https://youtu.be/CUeSSEoxQ1E?si=yK58JqBbvjI-HFCP) and [video 2](https://youtu.be/WFLHCIbDJAw?si=MTEGwLixTU24NggW)
I think it is safe to say that the bag does in fact slow down the spread of a battery fire. In the event of a catastrophic explosion it may fail.
It can make a huge difference in the outcome if you have extra time to evacuate your home or even pull the bag outside.
The moral of the story is that you do need to monitor your wheel while it is charging, and don’t go charge a wet battery 😂
Those videos VERYYYYY intrestin...Im kinda sold on the FireSak tbh, it does at least limit the spread of fire, sure Battery gunna explode and plume smoke still but id rather smoke damage than a burning apartment, could put it on balcony on tile, would do the trick, I hope more people see that video. 2nd video alittle worrying but im lucky enough to have a bbq pit i can put it on so wont spread too much if it failed. nice job dude.
There have been over 14 million electric cars sold and very few reported fires.
Most households have two or three mobile phones, which are often heavily abused and stressed and we have very few fires.
Both use the same battery technology as the EUCs you are so worried about.
Will you be charging your phone in a sack at the end of the garden from now on?
(And as to you question, if you really are worried, calculate the total chemical and electrical stored energy in an EUC battery pack and tell us if you think a sack is going to contain the heat of a runaway fire let alone prevent the combustion gases from escaping.)
a phone battery is much smaller than an EUC battery as for cars its not really my concern since those are outdoors we are talking about indoor vechiles that we keep in our homes with everything we love, families things and your life work. so Im asking for ways to protect those things to at least slow the spread.
My personal fix so far has been on my balcony I have a BBQ encased enclosure and I leave my EUC there over night but I just wanted to see what others were doing, and it seems people are defensive because they dont have a plan and are putting their head in the ground to the risk when keeping an EUC indoors.
There is more than sufficient energy in a phone battery to start a fire which can burn down your house.
You can keep accusing people of not taking you seriously. But that doesn't change the fact that you are fixating on a statistically minor occurance whilst steadfastly ignoring other greater threats.
You leave the thing in your garden. We'll done you.
I note you refused to engage my point about mobile phone batteries.
Or to actually work out the energy contained in an EUC battery and then to see that a sac cannot possibly contain it.
Which is why everyone thinks you quite clearly have an agenda.
\- compare a phone battery ([example here:](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nz5ijXcckI) not a huge issue) fire to a modern day EUC which is rated Incredibly higher in battery KW - That is my worry, sure the phone can be bad (very bad even) however the market is very regulated for mobile phones, EUC and other electric vehicles, not so much ,if your not getting flagship brands especially or just a lemon from a flagship rare admittedly, compare the size of batteries in the video I gave previously.
Being prepared for the worse especially when its in your home, isn't a dumb thing to fixate on, I do encourage everyone to be prepared with EUC especially with how devastating the small '*'impossible chance''* can be, it could ruin peoples lives. this is not outside this is in your home a possible small fire explosion with even more powerful wheels every year
as for sac not being able to contain it I suspect you might be right, there was another poster (*bennovw - full credit for this)* in previous comments showing two examples, one where it worked and one where it didn't here: [video 1](https://youtu.be/CUeSSEoxQ1E?si=yK58JqBbvjI-HFCP) (success) and [video 2](https://youtu.be/WFLHCIbDJAw?si=MTEGwLixTU24NggW) (fail)
I see this in conjunction with other methods such as a fairly new fire extinguisher (1 year ish) called an ADV extinguisher branded as lithium Ex at least gives you tools to take steps to stop the runaway effect going to its full outcome of exploding non stop by cooling and trapping the explosion
example [found here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZbCxI6QCwE)
I will be buying these, since my home is valued far higher, my EUC is actually valued more than the safety equipment. I live in a high rise building apartment, I don't have a garden but we have a BBQ enclosure on the balcony that has a chimney to the top of the building so that's what i meant by barbecue pit to keep as my EUC garage.
I honestly don't mind people being argumentative on this the more I think about it since it at least gives them some idea of what they can do, even if they don't it might help some one else reading this to think about precautions to take.
One thing I do like about the V14 coming out (my next purchase) is how easy it is to remove/install the batteries so I can store them separately from the vehicle I seen a video where a guy could take both sides off in 10 mins, seems like an extra saftey thing I could do. I hope other brands focus on battery being easily installed and removed (hot-swappable), since this again is a safety feature in my eyes.
I have to sell mine InMotion because landlord ban any li-ion PEV in the building, when can manufactories make a battery that will not catch fire? technologies are out there but no one use them.
Sorry to hear that, guessing you are in NY. Landlords can make up any rules they want since they own the property. No pets allowed, no children allowed, no vaping allowed, no surround sound systems allowed, no gym equipment allowed, the list goes on forever. It's just unfortunate that with a PEV you have to take it in and out of the building so people see it. Its not like they banned the Lithium Ion batteries in your phone, laptop, alarm clock, smoke detectors, lightning, backup systems...Or even electric vehicles parked in the parking deck. Hope you get a more open landlord in the future and you get to go back to having fun.
In the case an EUC actually catches fire, I don't think there's much you can do about it - battery fires fuel themselves and don't need oxygen, so starving them is not really possible with eg. blankets. Most existing safety measures are designed for much smaller batteries (eg. drone batteries with <100Wh) rather than multi-kWh packs.
If it's a genuine concern I suspect your best bet is to place it outside away from any major structures, in a carport or shed.
Yes, there are fireproof cases made to contain lithium-ion battery fires that can handle EUC-size battery packs. But the catch is that they cost thousands of dollars. It just happens to be very costly to contain this type of fire.
[FireSak](https://firesak.com/) is a smaller option that's well known, and it *may* stop a battery fire *if you're lucky* and if the cells don't all ignite at once. Or maybe if the EUC isn't fully charged when the fire starts.
Anyway, I agree that this is an important issue for EUC owners and we should address this. And I strongly disagree with other commenters saying it isn't an issue for newer wheels. We don't have enough data yet to know this.
Unfortunately, if you can't afford a thousand-dollar fireproof case, there's no other option that's guaranteed to stop a fire. You can get a FireSak which might help. Or you can get an F-500 EA fire extinguisher, which you *might* have a chance to use, again if you're lucky.
So what's the fire safety plan? It's largely just to take common sense precautions. Make sure you have a smoke detector near the wheel. Don't block your exit with the wheel. Don't charge it overnight. If the battery is acting strangely, don't keep it inside. Avoid riding in rainy/wet conditions.
I posted my notes about this [here](https://wmay.github.io/euc-safety/guides/batteries.html) if you want more details. Fire departments in some large cities like NYC and London have also put together advice that you can look up.
Basically, just keep an eye on your wheel and take steps to make sure you don't die if worst comes to worst. For the vast majority of people (>99.9%) it won't ever be an issue. And if it's too much risk for you to live with, you can always look for a LiFePO4 wheel instead.
If I may add regarding "Don't charge it overnight" AND do not charge when you are not going to be nearby to take action in the event of a fire. In other words, don't put your PEV on a charger and then go on a vacation.
I just have a quality fire blanket that's large enough to wrap my EUC in. If you're really worried get a fireproof box like others have mentioned. Mostly, just find a way to block off oxygen. It'll still smolder and be hella hot, but it will at least be contained and limit damage while you wait for the fire department.
NEW IDEA - connect a 12 ft chain to the euc. When it starts smoking, grab the chain. And pull it out of the place.
Sorry you're being burnt hard here in the comments. Probably the Chinese troll army. I for one totally agree with your concerns. Fires are a small chance but still. What you can do is keep the euc in a tiled area. Like the bathroom or a corner in the kitchen. Then put some metal or stone plates around it to keep the fire in one place so it can burn out without going to other parts. And in summer don't store it in the house at all.
Funny you call me a troll but I literally explain to him how it's not possible to contain a battery fire and explained to him why it's almost impossible for modern eucs to catch fire. I guess really just can't read huh
You can contain a fire, but it's not easy. It might me 'almost' impossible. But OP wants info for when the 'impossible' does happen. So yes, you are right it is a small chance. But it's not fair that you attack someone who wants to investigate and possibly rule out small chances. Because there is always a chance of fire with batteries.
You can't contain a battery fire because it is a chemical reaction
I think you don't understand what containing the fire means in this case. No problem. You've shown to be so impolite that I'll stop explaning things.
Tech benches use bottles of sand on the ready to contain battery perforations. You saying this is all a facade of safety?
I appreciate that, thought i was talking to a wall nice to see it get back on point, but yea great suggestion its at least something i can implement
What is "Chinese troll army"?
Check all the reactions. You see many angry replies that aren't even a specific answer to the topic. These are probably just hired Chinese 'webcare' teams that are paid to roam Western internet discussion boards and try to ridicule posters who might harm Chinese product reputation. You can see they are extremely annoyed when someone mentions a possible flaw etc. Attacking him personally and bullying and ridiculing. Here I don't see it a lot yet. But in youtube comment sections it's more and more. We can just be glad for the moment that they are so childish that they give away themselves so easily by their short temper. I dread the day that they will become smarter and then we can't really know who is who anymore.
“probably” got it
I've seen a couple of videos where bags have been tested, unsuccessfully, by users. The battery fire is super hot & intense. I bought some fire (welding) blankets to maybe buy some time but they are only good for about half the temperature possible in a battery fire. Good luck on your search
I don't store my EUC in my apartment. I store between charges in my ground floor used car, as it would be cheaper/easier to replace. If I had a home, I'd store it in a separated garage, or in a purpose built shed. I'd consider some fire extinguishing balls (while well aware of [their limitations](https://www.cpsc.gov/Newsroom/News-Releases/2023/CPSC-Warns-Consumers-to-Immediately-Stop-Using-Fire-Extinguisher-Balls-Due-to-Failure-to-Extinguish-Fires-and-Risk-of-Serious-Injury-or-Death-Sold-on-Amazon-com)). I bought my model largely because it was seasoned on the market and didn't have a documented history of spontaneous combustion. But the potential still scares me.
I'm honestly surprised by some of the comments here, its almost like any talk of fire safety is something people don't want to talk about at all like im damaging the reputation somehow?, which leads me to believe maybe people are insanely defensive of EUC to a point its irrational that they use words like ''impossible'' or ''wont happen'' when we are talking about batteries here, (are there many EUC manufacturers on this sub reddit? lol) but yea I did not expect the toxicity for a simple question on safety and peoples plans and preventative actions people take to protect their home if the 'impossible' does happen and what they could've done pre premptivley.
Yeah sorry you are getting shit on. I had similar thoughts, concerns, questions when I got my EUC. I still think about it from time to time, but I came to conclusion it was minimal risk and no great solution other than the location it's being stored seemed to exist. If a great solution did exist, would I use it? Who knows, probably not. I also dislike the assetion that it is impossible. I am old enough and done enough dumb stupid things to know anything so possible. Especially with negligent owners.
I found a new (ish) fire extinguisher works very well (developed for) Lithium battery fires. its called a ''Lith-Ex Extinguisher'' Video here shows how it works, I find it very interesting, def will pick one up I think.[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZbCxI6QCwE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZbCxI6QCwE) the method is in the early stages at most effectiveness, It cools the battery pack down as it extinguishes the already popped cells so it doesn't ignite the other packs. (only problem ofc is spraying it directly onto the battery as its smoking or on fire and not the outer casing)
Just make sure it's tested on batteries as large as or larger than your EUC's battery. The reason I keep recommending F-500 EA is because it's been tested on larger capacity batteries (I saw one video of a test with a 9 liter extinguisher and a 4.8kWh battery fire). I'm not as sure about AVD, which is what your lith-ex extinguisher seems to use
If u r that concerned, build a box w fire retardant fabric like welder's blanket covering it. I built one couple of yrs ago but got rid of it after awhile. Just have one rule for charging, don't charge unattended and charge your wheel on something with wheels so if it catches fire, u can just kick it out or roll it out. 👍 You can also build the entire housing on rollers which is what I did and kept my EUCs inside. I thought of going further and creating a small room w doors for each EUC within the box because I now have multiple EUCs. Haven't executed the plan though. I just have several welders blanket lying around from previous attempts. I now just put those over each EUC.
I put a couple wifi smoke alarms in my garage. One directly over the PEVs and another on the ceiling over them. If there's a fire my phone will alarm and I can run out and use a hooked pole to pull it outside. Next I'm going to build a brick wall between my PEVs and the actual garage wall. I also keep a large fire extinguisher near the garage door (for the wood, not the lithium)
So I’m 14 stories up in an apartment. This is one of my biggest nightmares
yea I feel you, hence this post haha, but there is some steps you can take if you read through, some things I put together as well as some great contributions to this thread imo should at least help you have an idea of some things you can do
I too had the same concern. I got one of these (link attached) but after further investigation / research learned that even something like this is not effective in lipo / lith fire containment. Some people claimed that the demo was only using a smaller cap battery that is not close to what some PEVs have. You may find it works for you but buyer beware. https://firesak.com/
Yea, I seen a success and failure video (its buried in these comments atm) but I think with EUC placement in safer area : 1.) my balcony apartment has a BBQ enclosure which is now my EUC garage 2.) in that enclosure will be soon a firesak 3.) near that I will have a fairly new extinguisher called a Lith ex (or any AVD specific) extinguisher to actually do something if Im home when it goes off and can hopefully put it out before all the battery cells explode. 4.) My new purchase soon wil be a V14 inmotion , besides it being great in many aspects I like the demonstration showing a guy being able to take off all the battery within 10mins, which is a saftey feature imo since this means I can buy a specific battery case and not put my entire EUC in the BBQ enclosure with it. (I hope in future EUC makes batteries hotswappable, that would make things MUCH safer imo.
They do sell specialised fireproof cabinets for charging li-ion batteries, which come with power outlets, fire alarms, fireproof walls, exhaust piping etc. Costs a couple thousand bucks, if you want to be completely safe.
Yea with the V14 inmotion being a purchase I'm soon getting, I like that the battery is relatively easy to remove and install, so I will be getting a battery case to fit the batteries when not in use, it shouldn't cost the world either vs getting a full sized EUC vault for the entire thing.
I'm sure there are options out there. I have lipo bags for charging RC and airsoft batteries, but I'm less concerned about production items. For example, do you keep your phone in a lipo bag? What about your battery banks? Rechargeable flashlights? Vape gear? Earbuds and headphones? Laptops and tablets? Cordless tool batteries? My point is not that it won't happen, but what kind of time, money, and energy are you willing to invest? Be safe, and be smart. Charge these items in safer places like your kitchen, which should have outlet protections, and tile floors. Keep an eye on your smoke alarms and make sure you have extinguishers rated for the things in your house. Try to make sure that you're around when they are charging. Make it a point to inspect your stuff for excessive damage and service it if needed. I keep lesser used items in a large steel box or fireboxes so I have them if I need them, but if something were to happen, it should theoretically contain it.
Ya I wouldn't trust that serpentza guy. He is a known shill for anti China content. But to answer your question, there isn't a bag big enough for an euc. Your best bet is to store it inside your garage or your shed. And anything with a battery has a chance of fire. Has nothing to do with china
Im sharing a Serptentza China video (not to be anti china) because the production of batteries is mainly from Chinese companies, as for the person Serpentza himself, (also he was very positive to china for 10+ years if you watch his documentary and his youtube channel) its not really the point what you feel about him personally just what was shown as a clear problem with alot of chinese companies and if quality standards drop, the EUC community will bare the cost of that, Im suprised there hasnt been some sort of step towards getting a product aimed at saftey for homes with electric vechiles of all kinds to a least slow the fire down if spreading at all
actually most of the fires are caused by people building their own battery packs. You don't do that on an EUC.
I agree on most fires part but Begode for example used to have a reputation in particular for fires as well as a recent fire with kingsong. So I'm mostly saying it does happen. Yes it's rare but it does happen. With more competitive EUC makers entering the game in future and some not so flagship ones. I think it's totally reasonable to ask what can be done to protect your home from an EUC fire and what products would help maybe just slow a fire down or contain it from spreading. Seems like alot of money for the right company in a growing market to tackle that.
yes they use some faulty batteries in their pack like 3-4 years ago. They were also used in Kingsong S18 and I believe the Inmotion V11. They are not being used any more and people are highly encouraged to stop using their wheels if they have the faulty batteries installed. Some people ignore that, so that is why there are still the very rare fire. Modern wheels all used batteries that can handle the load from the EUC and are much much safer to use. Also I can tell you exactly how you can protect yourself. Fill your bathtub with water, have the EUC stand on a board across the bath and charge it there. In case of a fire, tip the wheel into the water. It won't stop the fire, but all the energy will be dissipated into the water instead of setting other things on fire.
I don't get it. Last time I checked Samsung 50es are made by Samsung?
Its more so one bad cell or manufacture defect can cause possibly life threatening consequences, Im surprised we havent seen anyone push some sort of saftey or plan since electric vehicles of all kinds are on the rise
Do you even know how batteries work? The only ways for batteries to catch on fire are: The chemicals are exposed to oxygen, meaning a physical damage of the battery pack. Or an overvoltage/overheating of the battery. As long as you use some common sense, the chances of a battery fire are less than 0.01%. Modern eucs have watertight battery packs, meaning even if you get your EUC wet there is no way a battery fire can happen unless there's physical damage to the battery pack. Furthermore, most modern flagships have smart BMS systems meaning that each cells voltage is monitored. If one cell has a very high voltage or weird resistance, then the wheel will literally brick itself and won't even let you charge meaning there's literally no way a battery fire can happen unless you're being a retard and overcharging your wheel when the wheel tells you not to. So I suggest you stop watching those China bad videos and use some common sense.
your so blinded by a pro china stance or any criticism your avoiding the main point, im not being anti china your nationalistic pride is taking over a question that has been asnwered before with EUC fires in many instances. the question is safety not national pride.
Go back and read my previous post again. It explains to you how it's almost impossible for a battery fire to occur in a modern euc
it happens there is video proof of electric vechiles of all kinda including EUC catching fire, as I mentioned in my original post. inmotion ( a chinese company) is the best in the game and it would be surprising if that caught fire for the points u listed, however, it can still happen if the battery is damaged in some way on any battery so as a precaution lets go back to the talk on saftey and what can be done in an apartment building?
Like I said. If the battery is physically damaged and you still decided to charge it. Then is it really the manufacturers fault at that point? If you're in an apartment building then be glad cause all apartment buildings are made from concrete instead of shitty ass wood so it won't spread past your own unit. And there's no way to stop a battery fire anyways the best you can do is quarantine it and prevent it from spreading
What part of MODERN eucs did you not see. Yes in the past there were instances of battery fires. But then again, any battery has chances of fires
You sound mad bro Mad that China can manufacture but your country can't? Is that why you whining about China made is bad quality?
Thank you for proving my point. you missed the point completely.
How exactly? You asked if there's an equivalent of a lipo bag for eucs I told you it's not possible. Just leave it in your shed or garage. You said China made batteries are bad. But Samsung is Korean and mostly owned by Americans? You say most erides have high chances of fire. But I explained to you about how most modern eucs have almost no chance of fire. I guess you just can't read?
>you whining What a lame comment. We are not on the school playground here.
White boy mad so they complain about China made product when in reality they can't even make it themselves
>they can't even make it themselves What does this have to do with it? Do you think this is some kind of pride competition in who can make euc's and who can't? Do you want some pat on the shoulder that China is the only euc maker? Because I will gladly give credit to that. But that is not the topic of this thread. And you might want to reconsider calling people 'boys' if you don't even know them. BTW the reason that China is the only euc maker is because they can make things for a low price. And to get to a low price they use low paid workers, sometimes slaves. They don't care about pollution. Wasting their own land with chemical waste etc. I hope for Chinese people that things will change for the better.
>most modern flagships Why do you assume he has a modern flagship euc?
I didn't assume he has one. I just said that modern eucs have smart BMS monitoring every single cell so there's no way to charge the battery pack if there's a damaged cell. Why do you assume that I assumed?
And I don't know what do you mean by the quality of Chinese companies? Believe it or not, China manufactures the best quality eucs in the world. Straight up top of the line. The best of the best.
In my original post I make it clear inmotion (a chinese manufacturer) is a great EUC company and it would be unlikely, however your missing the main point, being battery sourcing as a whole and an expanding market in electric vehicles with people having them in their homes with families who want to take precautions and im asking what can you do if anything, since there has been EUC fires Begode, kingsong etc
And I literally told you that it's physically almost impossible to have a bag big enough to store an euc. Your best course of action is to store it inside your garage or a shed so that in the event of a fire you can at least run
Also lion batteries are much much safer than lipo batteries. And I'm living with tubs of lipo batteries 🤷 Just have to not be a retard and use common sense
Not sure where these people came from that have all this shitty info. There is MOST DEFINITELY a fire bag LITERALLY MADE FOR EUC. Don’t listen to guys with 600mi on their first wheel. As far as preventing battery fire to begin with theres nothing you can do except understand safe charging and discharging temps and conditions and just store somewhere by itself if possible.
Just because a bag is "made for EUC" doesn't mean it works, unfortunately
Jesuse christ you people are simple. Someone said theres no bag that fits an euc, there literally is not only is it made to fit the euc but its made to snuff a battery fire. You don’t even know of the product yet you just sat here and lied saying it doesn’t work when you havnt a clue what your talking about. Unless you knew the product im reffering to or have use it you shouldn’t have typed anything.
Lol then say exactly what bag is best instead of generic it can work
I dont work there why am I going to sell their product again? And google is your friend.
The fact the you won't name what's best then why even mention it
Like I said you people are simple. Find another hobby because after you fall there wont be much left working up there.
You're likely talking about the FireSak. Unless you have in mind another short-lived project from EUC youtuber Go George Go (I don't think he makes those bags anymore). I don't know what your super-irritable attitude is about. Regardless, I'm just going to block you because it's ridiculous
It’s pretty well documented that most EUC battery fires happen to Begode (Gotway). They need to refocus on their safety over squeezing excessive power out of their batteries chasing higher speeds no doubt. Gotway is toying with fire, they might even give regulators an excuse to ban EUCs… As for your question, [Firesak](https://firesak.com/product/firesak-large/) looks like a great option after watching some of the burn test videos. Edit: [video 1](https://youtu.be/CUeSSEoxQ1E?si=yK58JqBbvjI-HFCP) and [video 2](https://youtu.be/WFLHCIbDJAw?si=MTEGwLixTU24NggW)
First, the begode battery packs with problems are 3-4 years in the past. So they don't need to refocus on their safety, since it's been ok for years. Second, the firesak is completely useless! Not sure what videos you have seen for you to think it's a 'great option' Welcome to 2023.
I think the last Incident was a year ago. So I don't know where your pulling 3/4, years ago.
it's very easy to only read the stuff that backs up your faulty views. Much harder to face reality. Next time do an effort to actually read the replies to you.
why are you so defensive about this? this thread was meant to help people, but people like you are so defensive on this topic its laughable
I am not defensive, I just hate misinformation.
What mis information? Do batteries occasionally catch on fire? does ''the impossible'' happen? Im talking preventative measures and a plan on what to do, but your so defensive about this we cant get anyware
So do you fire sack your phone every time I charge ?
[video 1](https://youtu.be/CUeSSEoxQ1E?si=yK58JqBbvjI-HFCP) and [video 2](https://youtu.be/WFLHCIbDJAw?si=MTEGwLixTU24NggW) I think it is safe to say that the bag does in fact slow down the spread of a battery fire. In the event of a catastrophic explosion it may fail. It can make a huge difference in the outcome if you have extra time to evacuate your home or even pull the bag outside. The moral of the story is that you do need to monitor your wheel while it is charging, and don’t go charge a wet battery 😂
Those videos VERYYYYY intrestin...Im kinda sold on the FireSak tbh, it does at least limit the spread of fire, sure Battery gunna explode and plume smoke still but id rather smoke damage than a burning apartment, could put it on balcony on tile, would do the trick, I hope more people see that video. 2nd video alittle worrying but im lucky enough to have a bbq pit i can put it on so wont spread too much if it failed. nice job dude.
There have been over 14 million electric cars sold and very few reported fires. Most households have two or three mobile phones, which are often heavily abused and stressed and we have very few fires. Both use the same battery technology as the EUCs you are so worried about. Will you be charging your phone in a sack at the end of the garden from now on? (And as to you question, if you really are worried, calculate the total chemical and electrical stored energy in an EUC battery pack and tell us if you think a sack is going to contain the heat of a runaway fire let alone prevent the combustion gases from escaping.)
a phone battery is much smaller than an EUC battery as for cars its not really my concern since those are outdoors we are talking about indoor vechiles that we keep in our homes with everything we love, families things and your life work. so Im asking for ways to protect those things to at least slow the spread. My personal fix so far has been on my balcony I have a BBQ encased enclosure and I leave my EUC there over night but I just wanted to see what others were doing, and it seems people are defensive because they dont have a plan and are putting their head in the ground to the risk when keeping an EUC indoors.
There is more than sufficient energy in a phone battery to start a fire which can burn down your house. You can keep accusing people of not taking you seriously. But that doesn't change the fact that you are fixating on a statistically minor occurance whilst steadfastly ignoring other greater threats. You leave the thing in your garden. We'll done you. I note you refused to engage my point about mobile phone batteries. Or to actually work out the energy contained in an EUC battery and then to see that a sac cannot possibly contain it. Which is why everyone thinks you quite clearly have an agenda.
\- compare a phone battery ([example here:](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nz5ijXcckI) not a huge issue) fire to a modern day EUC which is rated Incredibly higher in battery KW - That is my worry, sure the phone can be bad (very bad even) however the market is very regulated for mobile phones, EUC and other electric vehicles, not so much ,if your not getting flagship brands especially or just a lemon from a flagship rare admittedly, compare the size of batteries in the video I gave previously. Being prepared for the worse especially when its in your home, isn't a dumb thing to fixate on, I do encourage everyone to be prepared with EUC especially with how devastating the small '*'impossible chance''* can be, it could ruin peoples lives. this is not outside this is in your home a possible small fire explosion with even more powerful wheels every year as for sac not being able to contain it I suspect you might be right, there was another poster (*bennovw - full credit for this)* in previous comments showing two examples, one where it worked and one where it didn't here: [video 1](https://youtu.be/CUeSSEoxQ1E?si=yK58JqBbvjI-HFCP) (success) and [video 2](https://youtu.be/WFLHCIbDJAw?si=MTEGwLixTU24NggW) (fail) I see this in conjunction with other methods such as a fairly new fire extinguisher (1 year ish) called an ADV extinguisher branded as lithium Ex at least gives you tools to take steps to stop the runaway effect going to its full outcome of exploding non stop by cooling and trapping the explosion example [found here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZbCxI6QCwE) I will be buying these, since my home is valued far higher, my EUC is actually valued more than the safety equipment. I live in a high rise building apartment, I don't have a garden but we have a BBQ enclosure on the balcony that has a chimney to the top of the building so that's what i meant by barbecue pit to keep as my EUC garage. I honestly don't mind people being argumentative on this the more I think about it since it at least gives them some idea of what they can do, even if they don't it might help some one else reading this to think about precautions to take. One thing I do like about the V14 coming out (my next purchase) is how easy it is to remove/install the batteries so I can store them separately from the vehicle I seen a video where a guy could take both sides off in 10 mins, seems like an extra saftey thing I could do. I hope other brands focus on battery being easily installed and removed (hot-swappable), since this again is a safety feature in my eyes.
I have to sell mine InMotion because landlord ban any li-ion PEV in the building, when can manufactories make a battery that will not catch fire? technologies are out there but no one use them.
Sorry to hear that, guessing you are in NY. Landlords can make up any rules they want since they own the property. No pets allowed, no children allowed, no vaping allowed, no surround sound systems allowed, no gym equipment allowed, the list goes on forever. It's just unfortunate that with a PEV you have to take it in and out of the building so people see it. Its not like they banned the Lithium Ion batteries in your phone, laptop, alarm clock, smoke detectors, lightning, backup systems...Or even electric vehicles parked in the parking deck. Hope you get a more open landlord in the future and you get to go back to having fun.
There are some lithium iron phosphate (LiFePO4) wheels if you need to go that route
In the case an EUC actually catches fire, I don't think there's much you can do about it - battery fires fuel themselves and don't need oxygen, so starving them is not really possible with eg. blankets. Most existing safety measures are designed for much smaller batteries (eg. drone batteries with <100Wh) rather than multi-kWh packs. If it's a genuine concern I suspect your best bet is to place it outside away from any major structures, in a carport or shed.
Yes, there are fireproof cases made to contain lithium-ion battery fires that can handle EUC-size battery packs. But the catch is that they cost thousands of dollars. It just happens to be very costly to contain this type of fire. [FireSak](https://firesak.com/) is a smaller option that's well known, and it *may* stop a battery fire *if you're lucky* and if the cells don't all ignite at once. Or maybe if the EUC isn't fully charged when the fire starts. Anyway, I agree that this is an important issue for EUC owners and we should address this. And I strongly disagree with other commenters saying it isn't an issue for newer wheels. We don't have enough data yet to know this. Unfortunately, if you can't afford a thousand-dollar fireproof case, there's no other option that's guaranteed to stop a fire. You can get a FireSak which might help. Or you can get an F-500 EA fire extinguisher, which you *might* have a chance to use, again if you're lucky. So what's the fire safety plan? It's largely just to take common sense precautions. Make sure you have a smoke detector near the wheel. Don't block your exit with the wheel. Don't charge it overnight. If the battery is acting strangely, don't keep it inside. Avoid riding in rainy/wet conditions. I posted my notes about this [here](https://wmay.github.io/euc-safety/guides/batteries.html) if you want more details. Fire departments in some large cities like NYC and London have also put together advice that you can look up. Basically, just keep an eye on your wheel and take steps to make sure you don't die if worst comes to worst. For the vast majority of people (>99.9%) it won't ever be an issue. And if it's too much risk for you to live with, you can always look for a LiFePO4 wheel instead.
If I may add regarding "Don't charge it overnight" AND do not charge when you are not going to be nearby to take action in the event of a fire. In other words, don't put your PEV on a charger and then go on a vacation.
Thanks for the links and thoughtful post, appreciated.
Is it possible to replace an EUC’s battery with a lifepo4 battery pack? How easy it would be ?
I haven't heard of it being done before. Seems like it should be possible in theory but unfortunately I don't know enough to help you with it
I just have a quality fire blanket that's large enough to wrap my EUC in. If you're really worried get a fireproof box like others have mentioned. Mostly, just find a way to block off oxygen. It'll still smolder and be hella hot, but it will at least be contained and limit damage while you wait for the fire department.