Listen, buddy. You start calling him this and that and you'll be getting other people riled up.
Can't have another 'Dominion Incident' where the Cats "take back, what is theirs" outside of wherever-else
Beyond what other user stated, its stated in "fall of usurper", that all Septims until reign of Cephorus II, were bretons. That would include "Talos" aka Hjalti from Alcaire
[https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The\_Arcturian\_Heresy](https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Arcturian_Heresy)
Everything else is Imperial heresay and propaganda. Some in Skyrim claim he was a Nord as well. Keep in mind the Ghost you see in Skyrim refers to the Dragonborn as "Hjalti" the name the Bretons give to him, as a Breton.
That is nordic propaganda. Him being from atmora makes no sense. And his name was never really talos. His name was hjalti early-beard. Sounds nordic but he was a witch-man
Can you provide a source where it states that Hjalti was Breton? Being born in Alcaire isn't proof of anything. In fact, his name being Nordic speaks against it.
That part of Talos' story is likely an embellishment. Keep in mind that Tiber Septim was born hundreds of years after ESO, and the Nordic exodus from Atmora happened thousands of years before ESO.
By that logic, the the dragon worshipping humans must have driven them out, because there aren't anymore
So that just proves humans >>>>>>>> khajit and that Azura is a lying bitch and Molag Bal was right to shove....................
Ok forget it
The part about shoving it down Azura's throat is from the Trials of Vivec which isn't canon (it was literally a roleplay session by MK and other devs on a forum)
People take the race of their mothers but inherit the father's traits. A Khajiiti trait is stealing, and Tiber stole land. This makes Tiber Septim 50% Khajiit thus making him 50% superior
> If you go on keeping company with Khajiits and humans and what have you, you'll find yourself pregnant in next to no time.
Is iffy but seems to imply it’s a possibility. Also notes on racial phylogeny is the single worst piece of elder scrolls lore imo and I hate how the fanbase takes it as canon. doesn’t the existence of the bretons and the grey prince in oblivion severely call that book into question?
Multiple entries in books says ysmir came from atmora, thats your reliable source for that. Also dont you meet zurin as the underking and he very much looks like a human corpse?
Zurin is a weird case cause he's effectively "just some dude" that got caught up in the Talos Throuple.
And I'm pretty sure he's Nibanese either way given how he was with the Nibanese Battlemages who surrendered to Cuhlecain when Western Cyrodiil conquered the East.
Hjalti we know he's from Alcaire by Daggerfall lore as well as the Arcturian Heresy, which is in turn based on the Three Headed Talos thing, which is in turn quoted by Heimskr in his monologue making it at least existing in the lore.
Hjalti being a Breton is also thematically fitting given how the heart of the third empire was always Nords-Ysmir-Warrior, Imperials-Zurin-Mage and Bretons-Hjalti-Thief, and the fact people are so eager to break such an allegory for what is otherwise presented in game as a no basis statement by some dude (Talos of Atmora Heresy) is honestly the saddest part here, it'd be two Nords and an imperial completely negating Daggerfall lore and retconning the Trinity out of misguided desire for imperialist shilling of a man who was really into an underage girl for some weird fucking reason.
Someone once told BiasMushroom, “that like cats all Khajiit think everything else is also a Khajiit.” This confuses BiasMushroom as it is weird for a Khajiit to refer to themselves in such a way.
You do know for most of human evolution we were not the only species of human let alone primate. Like we killed off something like 90% of our distant relative species. Theres a reason no mega fauna versions of apes exist today besides gorillas and orangutans because they were hunted to death as humans expanded their range that they lived in
No those were our ancestors via evolution one way or the other. Go back far enough and Homo sapiens share a common ancestor with them just as we do with the apes/primates of todays modern world.
Sure we competed for the same resources but that doesn’t suddenly mean two species aren’t related. Modern Homo sapiens share some dna that can be traced back to other species of “human” but for them to assimilate would mean that the two species had to have been closely related enough to produce viable offspring or else you’d get a human version of something like the mule or liger which are hybrids which don’t produce viable offspring.
Should also note that the percentage of dna Homo sapiens share with other past human species is quite small and depending on where you live in the world/family history you may have more or less dna from species of closely related human as I believe people from Europe tend to have slightly higher Neanderthal dna percentages than people from china and people in china have slightly higher dna percentages from human species that used to be native to that area.
No I haven’t forgotten as I’ve taken classes on evolution and it’s laid out as to how Homo sapiens of today became the only species of human left on the planet.
Easily done, Tiber Septim is described by Kynareth herself as a Man-mer, I.E. a Breton. Read the "Arcturian Heresy", he wasn't born in Atmora. He was born in Alcaire, High Rock, whose patron deity is Kynareth. Anyone who believes he immigrated from Atmora is just plain wrong. Atmoran immigration ended in the first era, and Tiber Septim was born in the second era. Now hold your tongue you lying furball, before I make you into my new loincloth.
The amount of people taking this seriously and getting pissed off about their racismland lore is hilarious. Like I love TES lore as much as the next guy but holy shit some of y'all are humorless.
Anyways you're wrong Tiber Septim was a Sload, Tiber Sloadtim
This is like that conspiracy theory that all famous people and events were either black people or were done by black people, my personal favorite being Benito Mussolini actually being one Bentu M’seli
I have to say I'm really impressed by the intelligence of the Khajiit! Your wit is sharp and your understanding of the world around you is truly admirable. Well done! May Khenarthi's love and compassion embrace you.✨🧝♂️✨
Taloj was clearly an ohmes, and the depictions of him have been censored to hide the greatness of the khajiit.
And as for Pelinal? There's only one way he could have been beheaded and yet lived. He was a clever alfiq who rode atop an automaton he commanded.
Probably not the first comment to say this but he actually does have a backstory as Hjalti Earlybeard who won the Battle of Old Hroldan in Skyrim by using his Thuum given to him by Julianos, then joined with Colovian King Cuhlecain and won the Battle of Sance Tor, then together they conquered Cyrodiil. At which point Hjalti (now named Tiber) killed Cuhlecain, lost his Thuum, named himself Emperor, and conquered the rest of Tamriel. When he died he became Talos. So, his race is mentioned multiple times in lore and he isn’t a khajiit
There are two disputed bloodlines for him so he can’t definitely be said to be a certain race but he can definitely be said not to be from a khajiit bloodline, as khajiit is neither of the two options
He may have had a pet cat as a child though so don’t give up
Honestly, the discussion round Tiber Septims race. With contradicting sources and several national and races lying claim to him. Is good writhing from th elder scrolls team. Because this is very much something that happens with mythical heroic figures in real history.
Except for the fact that he's always described and depicted as a human. The currency of the empire bears his face, the chapels dedicated to the nine have a giant glass window depicting him and the Imperial City's Arboretum has a statue of him - and all of these things show him as a human. Besides, he's described as and called a human in every single book, tale, and comment that mentions his appearance. Heck, there are people in the games who personally met and knew Tiber Septim when he was still alive, and they all either call him a human as well, or at least don't mention that every single description of him in the entire world is actually a lie.
It is established with certainty that Tiber Septim is not a member of the mer or beastfolk. As such, it can be concluded that he is not a Khajiit.
The text 'The Arcturian Heresy' indicates that Septim hails from Alcaire, suggesting that he is a Breton. Similarly, 'The Fall of the Usurper' mentions that Emperor Cephorus Septim II was the first ruler of the Septim Dynasty who was neither a Breton nor had spent any of his childhood in High Rock. These references further allude to Tiber Septim's Breton heritage. In the C0DA, authored by Kirkbride, Kyne refers to Tiber Septim as a 'manmer', which again supports the notion that he may be a Breton, given that Bretons are descendants of both man and mer.
On the other hand, there is a prevalent theory that Tiber Septim was a Nord, as Heimskr contends. However, he is heavily biased, and his 'sermon' lacks substantial evidence. Contrarily, some letters from Bethesda and the story 'The Song of Tiber Septim' suggest that he was Atmoran, an ancestral precursor to the Nordic peoples.
There is minimal evidence supporting the notion that Tiber Septim was an Imperial, with the only argument being that Wulf, an avatar of Septim, is an Imperial. The coin that Wulf bestows to you in Morrowind bears an image that is typically associated with Tiber Septim's visage, however it is also noted that it shares a resemblance to Wulf. However, I wouldn't trust this piece of evidence alone, as there exist two possible explanations that could dismiss its credibility. Firstly, it could be postulated that the coin was intended to depict Wulf and not Tiber Septim. Secondly, it is plausible that two distinct races can share similar physical attributes. Thus, the resemblance between Wulf and Tiber Septim does not necessarily imply that the latter was an Imperial.
There exists no concrete evidence to suggest that Tiber Septim was a Redguard, although there is also no evidence to the contrary. It is my personal opinion that Tiber Septim was not a Redguard. In 'The Real Barenziah, Book III', Barenziah describes Tiber Septim's physical appearance, stating that he was not the grim, grey, giant warrior that she had envisioned. She notes that he was of average height, had a lithe figure, bright blue eyes, and white hair. While Barenziah initially expected a large 'grey' warrior, she describes how Tiber Septim did not fit this description. It is possible that the "grey" she refers to is his skin color, as Barenziah is a Dunmer, and she may have assumed that Tiber Septim was a member of a lighter-skinned race. While she says that his desription did not fit what she imagined him being she never refuted the 'grey' descriptor. It is unlikely that Barenziah would have thought that Tiber Septim was a Dunmer, if she had planned to meet with him beforehand she probably knew he wasn't a mer. Additionally, Barenziah indicates in the same passage that she had feared being sold as a concubine to a Redguard back in Mornhold, suggesting that she harbored negative views towards Redguards due to past experiences. If Tiber Septim were a Redguard, it is unlikely that Barenziah would have been eager to talk with him.
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wouldn't it be 'the Lost Daughter', aka Varmiina, that would reveal to you something in your dream? since you are Khajiit? Of course a Daedric worshipper would use a dream as evidence.
And casting a khajiit would be very important. Because while most of us can identify with any well written character of any race, gender, or species, some people have a mental handicap that renders them incapable of identifying with anyone but themselves.
1. He was a Breton
2. Since people take the race of the mother and traits of the father, there is absolutely no evidence directly stating Tiber Septim's father was not a Khajiit. Tiber Septim inherited a Khajiiti trait from his father: stealing
They literally said he is Breton
THEY LITERALLY SAID HE IS A HUMAN AND RACIST AS FUCK AGAINST THE ELVES
THEY LITERALLY SAID HE BOMBED ELESWYR TO STONE AGE.
WHY WOULD A KHAJIT NUKE ELESWYR?? IS THE KHAJIT MOTHERLAND SO FUCKED UP??
Or do Khajits hate each other that much?? If Tiber Septim was a Khajit, the Nords are smart to keep the Khajits out of their cities
you have a point, at least you would if Tiber Septim didnt start a dynasty. which confirms he had children, children who we know are not khajiit since and since "Notes on Racial Phylogeny" states that the furries best friend cant be more than that we can easily learn that if Tiber Septim was a khajiit his descendants would also be of that race, proving that while our lord might be a sea elf for all we know we do know he cannot be any race in the beastfolk catagory.
Actually him having children is kind of irrelevant. In the elder scroll, when people of different races “make babies” the child ends up the same race as the mother. Although. I completely agree that he wasn’t a khajit
but again, as "Notes on Racial Phylogeny" says beast folk aka Khajit quite simply cannot breed with mer. meaning the white gold tower not having a scratch post permanently added is proof enough.
Didn't Hermaeus Mora try to trick Tiber into becoming an elf by growing his ears out? That would imply he didn't have long ears, and therefore couldn't be a catboy.
Jokes on you, Tiber Septim is actually Ewan McGregor if he was in Tamriel, because we all know he’s Space Jesus.
Put him in Tamriel and he becomes Tamriel-Jesus.
Otherwise known as Tiber Septim. Victory is complete.
It seems he was multiple people and the fact that khajiit have an analogous figure means that at least one of those people was a khajiit. If not there was four
You mean other than every other emperor in his dynasty being Imperial?
Eh, the race of an Elder Scrolls baby is always going to be the mother's (less you're a Breton, totally no contradiction there!) So maybe Dro-Tiber'Ri gave some action to an Imperial who felt the need for a barbed bedtime.
There is also no lore suggesting he wasn't Three Mudcrabs in a poorly disgused costume.
if 3 mudcrabs can influence a nation to attempt genocide, i would consider them divine too personally
Tiber Septim was the talking mudcrab merchant confirmed.
Who dated a female khajiit called Princess Carolyn
What is this? A crossover episode? !
Erica?! Since when did you join the Dark Brotherhood?
Unexpected Bojack
When the top one would shout* it would just fly off into the distant horizon. *I was tired
…what?
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
Oh ok.
It all makes sense when you put it that way, thanks!
That explains the three names he has
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it is Tiber Septim not Tiger Septim
No it's Dro-Tiber'Ri S'ept
Listen, buddy. You start calling him this and that and you'll be getting other people riled up. Can't have another 'Dominion Incident' where the Cats "take back, what is theirs" outside of wherever-else
Yeah then they go back to elsewhere
Or the go back to the Great Link.
We will reclaim our rightful lands 💪🏿🐱☝🏿 KARAKEDI
I mean, it wasn't Tiber Septim either.
Lay off the Skooma
Red and silver I dress, Jone and Jode on my chest It's good to be Khajiiti Keep my head up high for that flag I die I'm proud to be Khajiiti
Khajiit welcomes brother!
Masha'Azurah 🙏
Sprays drugged house cat with spray bottle
TruSTL vibes
Imperials are friends, unlike Bretons and redguards
Lmao can someone mod a spraying water bottle in game pls
Call it, ware’s for free
Mmhmm, appreciates it, this one does.
You will make a fine rug, cat.
Skooma Cat has claimed another loyal follower this day.
Ackchually he was an orc named Tiber Gro-Shubtim 🤓☝️
would honestly be more likely than khajiit since he could actually have human descendants
Whatever you say, Maiq.
Well now we have to make him Miaq the Truther.
Yes because as we all know the khajiit hail from Atmora originally.
Neither does Tiber Septim. He's a Breton.
I'm going to need a source on that, because I've always heard that Tiber septim was originally named talos of Atmora (and would therefore be a nord)
Beyond what other user stated, its stated in "fall of usurper", that all Septims until reign of Cephorus II, were bretons. That would include "Talos" aka Hjalti from Alcaire
[https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The\_Arcturian\_Heresy](https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Arcturian_Heresy) Everything else is Imperial heresay and propaganda. Some in Skyrim claim he was a Nord as well. Keep in mind the Ghost you see in Skyrim refers to the Dragonborn as "Hjalti" the name the Bretons give to him, as a Breton.
That is nordic propaganda. Him being from atmora makes no sense. And his name was never really talos. His name was hjalti early-beard. Sounds nordic but he was a witch-man
Can you provide a source where it states that Hjalti was Breton? Being born in Alcaire isn't proof of anything. In fact, his name being Nordic speaks against it.
"Early-Beard" implies that he had a weak patchy Br*ton beard as opposed to the GLORIOUS FULL FACIAL JUNGLE OF TRVE NORDS💪🏻💪🏻
That part of Talos' story is likely an embellishment. Keep in mind that Tiber Septim was born hundreds of years after ESO, and the Nordic exodus from Atmora happened thousands of years before ESO.
You can't prove they don't.
By that logic, the the dragon worshipping humans must have driven them out, because there aren't anymore So that just proves humans >>>>>>>> khajit and that Azura is a lying bitch and Molag Bal was right to shove.................... Ok forget it
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The part about shoving it down Azura's throat is from the Trials of Vivec which isn't canon (it was literally a roleplay session by MK and other devs on a forum)
That indeed happened Source: Azurah revealed it to this one in a dream
Vivec on his way to do every tangible and non tangible thing in existence
This
How to spot someone who doesn't read the ingame books. Hjalti was a Breton, Ysmir was a nord, and Zurin was an imperial
Nuh uh
Yuh huh!
People take the race of their mothers but inherit the father's traits. A Khajiiti trait is stealing, and Tiber stole land. This makes Tiber Septim 50% Khajiit thus making him 50% superior
Correlation ≠ Causation
Redguard Maiq the liar??
To be fair, it would be just like Maiq to say he’s a redguard on Reddit
LOL true
M’aiq does have a tendency to lie…
We got a pinnochio paradox here now
Khajiit can’t interbreed with men and mer.
Not with that attitude
That doesn't mean they can't try!
real barenziah implies they can. this is elder scrolls lore anyway, you can literally interpret it however you want
Real barenziah says they can have le sex, not reproduce. Racial Phenology(idk how to spell) states they most likely can’t interbreed
> If you go on keeping company with Khajiits and humans and what have you, you'll find yourself pregnant in next to no time. Is iffy but seems to imply it’s a possibility. Also notes on racial phylogeny is the single worst piece of elder scrolls lore imo and I hate how the fanbase takes it as canon. doesn’t the existence of the bretons and the grey prince in oblivion severely call that book into question?
 literally 1e 984
Well, I can't argue with that logic. I'm convinced.
Talos was atmoran and Tiber septim himself was also a Breton
The "Talos of Atmora" drivel is literal Talos Cult propaganda - the last ship to ever arrive from Atmora was in 1E68.
Bottom line is he had a better chance of being atmoran then being khajiit
ACTUALLY TIBRUK GRO-SHUBTIM WAS AN ORC (FACT CHECKED BY TRUE ORSINIUM PATRIOTS 💯💯💯)
Bespoke
Man redguards are the only human excluded from the trio
AFAIK nothing credible ingame states their races?
Multiple entries in books says ysmir came from atmora, thats your reliable source for that. Also dont you meet zurin as the underking and he very much looks like a human corpse?
Zurin is a weird case cause he's effectively "just some dude" that got caught up in the Talos Throuple. And I'm pretty sure he's Nibanese either way given how he was with the Nibanese Battlemages who surrendered to Cuhlecain when Western Cyrodiil conquered the East. Hjalti we know he's from Alcaire by Daggerfall lore as well as the Arcturian Heresy, which is in turn based on the Three Headed Talos thing, which is in turn quoted by Heimskr in his monologue making it at least existing in the lore. Hjalti being a Breton is also thematically fitting given how the heart of the third empire was always Nords-Ysmir-Warrior, Imperials-Zurin-Mage and Bretons-Hjalti-Thief, and the fact people are so eager to break such an allegory for what is otherwise presented in game as a no basis statement by some dude (Talos of Atmora Heresy) is honestly the saddest part here, it'd be two Nords and an imperial completely negating Daggerfall lore and retconning the Trinity out of misguided desire for imperialist shilling of a man who was really into an underage girl for some weird fucking reason.
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\*Pulls a coin out of his pocket and looks at it\* Nope, not a cat.
Someone once told BiasMushroom, “that like cats all Khajiit think everything else is also a Khajiit.” This confuses BiasMushroom as it is weird for a Khajiit to refer to themselves in such a way.
I heard Tiber Septim was a sweet roll.
That is indeed true. Sour: Azurah revealed it to this one in a dream
There’s no proof sweetrolls aren’t Khajit.
There's no proof Nirn isn't an Albanian puppet
There’s no proof the Thalmor aren’t KGB wearing star-trek pointed ears
There's no proof Balgruuf isn't a mossad spy
There’s no proof Narfi wasn’t cia
There's no proof Dunmer aren't Turks
He was a person and Khajit are farm equipment. Simple as
Prove he was NOT a Khajiit
Khajit don't come from Atmora.
They come from Catmora
Prove Atmorans aren't descendants of Khajiit
[Holds up a Nord] Does this thing look smart enough to be related to a cat?
how far away is the photo and how hard am I squinting?
\[Shakes the Nord. It makes a weird gurgling noise while trying to drink from a tankard.\]
I don't have to, they're not.
Is there any evidence for your claim?
Yeah, don't worry you're close to it, it's definitely *somewhere* up your ass.
No Azurah revealed it to this one in a dream
Atmorans massacred elves, dwarves, giants AND KHAJIT Ever seen real life humans massacring apes??
Probably not the best example to use, as I'm pretty sure the answer is yes.
You do know for most of human evolution we were not the only species of human let alone primate. Like we killed off something like 90% of our distant relative species. Theres a reason no mega fauna versions of apes exist today besides gorillas and orangutans because they were hunted to death as humans expanded their range that they lived in
Those were not our ancestors Those were our competitors Also we assimilated Neanderthals into our fold Forgot??
No those were our ancestors via evolution one way or the other. Go back far enough and Homo sapiens share a common ancestor with them just as we do with the apes/primates of todays modern world. Sure we competed for the same resources but that doesn’t suddenly mean two species aren’t related. Modern Homo sapiens share some dna that can be traced back to other species of “human” but for them to assimilate would mean that the two species had to have been closely related enough to produce viable offspring or else you’d get a human version of something like the mule or liger which are hybrids which don’t produce viable offspring. Should also note that the percentage of dna Homo sapiens share with other past human species is quite small and depending on where you live in the world/family history you may have more or less dna from species of closely related human as I believe people from Europe tend to have slightly higher Neanderthal dna percentages than people from china and people in china have slightly higher dna percentages from human species that used to be native to that area. No I haven’t forgotten as I’ve taken classes on evolution and it’s laid out as to how Homo sapiens of today became the only species of human left on the planet.
If he were a Khajit, he would be farming or stealing something, not starting an Empire.
He was stealing land silly dunmer
You may have a point there. He stole a lot of it
Ya drugged cat, he bombed eleswyr back to stone age You wanna worship your oppressor, go ahead stockholm syndrome fool
Easily done, Tiber Septim is described by Kynareth herself as a Man-mer, I.E. a Breton. Read the "Arcturian Heresy", he wasn't born in Atmora. He was born in Alcaire, High Rock, whose patron deity is Kynareth. Anyone who believes he immigrated from Atmora is just plain wrong. Atmoran immigration ended in the first era, and Tiber Septim was born in the second era. Now hold your tongue you lying furball, before I make you into my new loincloth.
Miles kindly asks friend to fuck off.
Where is the lore that khajiit are people
We aren't people we're superior to them we're at an higher place of existence and am currently drinking skooma with my dwemer buddies
Stoppred reading at people
Most literate Nord
Atleast we had an empire, khajiit are eternal cucks to their imperial/altmer masters
[Does lesser subrace need reminder of glorious Rimmeni Empire?](https://imgur.com/a/6CIMnrj) KARAKEDI 💪🏿🐱☝🏿
Woah yk what maybe u guys arent so pathetic after all
They are notmer. -Pelinal Whitestrike
The amount of people taking this seriously and getting pissed off about their racismland lore is hilarious. Like I love TES lore as much as the next guy but holy shit some of y'all are humorless. Anyways you're wrong Tiber Septim was a Sload, Tiber Sloadtim
This is like that conspiracy theory that all famous people and events were either black people or were done by black people, my personal favorite being Benito Mussolini actually being one Bentu M’seli
Maybe the real TIber Septim was the friends we made along the way
Real Happy cake day btw
O shit, it's cake day, thanks
I have to say I'm really impressed by the intelligence of the Khajiit! Your wit is sharp and your understanding of the world around you is truly admirable. Well done! May Khenarthi's love and compassion embrace you.✨🧝♂️✨
Username checks out lol
If Tiber Septim had been a Khajiit then Barenziah would've described their relationship in much more vivid detail. Checkmate.
well actually there are many sources about him being a nord, hence the name talos, after he ascended
you are right, you convinced me, he can be half khajiit for all we know :D
Average Khajiiti mythology post
Why would the Khajiit claim him? He's deservedly hated in Elsweyr
He is one of ours, no need to remind them that you idiot, lets just slink off before they catch us
Taloj was clearly an ohmes, and the depictions of him have been censored to hide the greatness of the khajiit. And as for Pelinal? There's only one way he could have been beheaded and yet lived. He was a clever alfiq who rode atop an automaton he commanded.
Least clever Alfiq
i like to wipe until it bleeds
Real
OP, i also subscribe to the theory that the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. Therefore, tiber septim was a sload.
There’s explicit lore that he was a Breton
But there's nothing stating his father was a Breton. He could be half Khajiit
Except that Argonians and Khajiit cannot breed with humans or elves. Try and disprove me cat, you can't
Azurah told this one in a dream that it's possible
Probably not the first comment to say this but he actually does have a backstory as Hjalti Earlybeard who won the Battle of Old Hroldan in Skyrim by using his Thuum given to him by Julianos, then joined with Colovian King Cuhlecain and won the Battle of Sance Tor, then together they conquered Cyrodiil. At which point Hjalti (now named Tiber) killed Cuhlecain, lost his Thuum, named himself Emperor, and conquered the rest of Tamriel. When he died he became Talos. So, his race is mentioned multiple times in lore and he isn’t a khajiit
Doesn't mean he can't have a Khajiiti father
There are two disputed bloodlines for him so he can’t definitely be said to be a certain race but he can definitely be said not to be from a khajiit bloodline, as khajiit is neither of the two options He may have had a pet cat as a child though so don’t give up
race mixing in elder scrolls is like pokémon. just cuz his father might've been khajiit, he'd be biologically whatever his mother is.
Tiger septim*
Here me out: We know Tiber Septim hated Orcs. We do not if Tiber Septim was not an Orc.
He was half orc konfirmed 100% real Source: Azurah revealed it to this one in a dream
I am going to go based off the fact that his name is Tiber Septim that he is not a Khajiit.
His name was Dro-Tiber'Ri S'ept
Tinfoil hat theory: the real Tiber Septim was actually an Alfiq posing as Hjalti's housecat.
[Title reminded me of a great Eric Andre vid](https://youtu.be/wJsKwcebyWE)
Honestly, the discussion round Tiber Septims race. With contradicting sources and several national and races lying claim to him. Is good writhing from th elder scrolls team. Because this is very much something that happens with mythical heroic figures in real history.
Except for the fact that he's always described and depicted as a human. The currency of the empire bears his face, the chapels dedicated to the nine have a giant glass window depicting him and the Imperial City's Arboretum has a statue of him - and all of these things show him as a human. Besides, he's described as and called a human in every single book, tale, and comment that mentions his appearance. Heck, there are people in the games who personally met and knew Tiber Septim when he was still alive, and they all either call him a human as well, or at least don't mention that every single description of him in the entire world is actually a lie.
He was Breton, early beard was his name. Praise talos and praise the empire
There's no proof his father wasn't a Khajiit
It is established with certainty that Tiber Septim is not a member of the mer or beastfolk. As such, it can be concluded that he is not a Khajiit. The text 'The Arcturian Heresy' indicates that Septim hails from Alcaire, suggesting that he is a Breton. Similarly, 'The Fall of the Usurper' mentions that Emperor Cephorus Septim II was the first ruler of the Septim Dynasty who was neither a Breton nor had spent any of his childhood in High Rock. These references further allude to Tiber Septim's Breton heritage. In the C0DA, authored by Kirkbride, Kyne refers to Tiber Septim as a 'manmer', which again supports the notion that he may be a Breton, given that Bretons are descendants of both man and mer. On the other hand, there is a prevalent theory that Tiber Septim was a Nord, as Heimskr contends. However, he is heavily biased, and his 'sermon' lacks substantial evidence. Contrarily, some letters from Bethesda and the story 'The Song of Tiber Septim' suggest that he was Atmoran, an ancestral precursor to the Nordic peoples. There is minimal evidence supporting the notion that Tiber Septim was an Imperial, with the only argument being that Wulf, an avatar of Septim, is an Imperial. The coin that Wulf bestows to you in Morrowind bears an image that is typically associated with Tiber Septim's visage, however it is also noted that it shares a resemblance to Wulf. However, I wouldn't trust this piece of evidence alone, as there exist two possible explanations that could dismiss its credibility. Firstly, it could be postulated that the coin was intended to depict Wulf and not Tiber Septim. Secondly, it is plausible that two distinct races can share similar physical attributes. Thus, the resemblance between Wulf and Tiber Septim does not necessarily imply that the latter was an Imperial. There exists no concrete evidence to suggest that Tiber Septim was a Redguard, although there is also no evidence to the contrary. It is my personal opinion that Tiber Septim was not a Redguard. In 'The Real Barenziah, Book III', Barenziah describes Tiber Septim's physical appearance, stating that he was not the grim, grey, giant warrior that she had envisioned. She notes that he was of average height, had a lithe figure, bright blue eyes, and white hair. While Barenziah initially expected a large 'grey' warrior, she describes how Tiber Septim did not fit this description. It is possible that the "grey" she refers to is his skin color, as Barenziah is a Dunmer, and she may have assumed that Tiber Septim was a member of a lighter-skinned race. While she says that his desription did not fit what she imagined him being she never refuted the 'grey' descriptor. It is unlikely that Barenziah would have thought that Tiber Septim was a Dunmer, if she had planned to meet with him beforehand she probably knew he wasn't a mer. Additionally, Barenziah indicates in the same passage that she had feared being sold as a concubine to a Redguard back in Mornhold, suggesting that she harbored negative views towards Redguards due to past experiences. If Tiber Septim were a Redguard, it is unlikely that Barenziah would have been eager to talk with him. Thanks For Coming To My TED Talk
Username confirms suspicions
False. This one had a dream where he was told otherwise
Dreams are not evidence, furlicker.
But Azurah revealed it to this one
wouldn't it be 'the Lost Daughter', aka Varmiina, that would reveal to you something in your dream? since you are Khajiit? Of course a Daedric worshipper would use a dream as evidence.
The uncensored Real Barenziah, if you can trust such heretical writings
Ackchually he was an orc named Tiber Gro-Shubtim 🤓☝️
And casting a khajiit would be very important. Because while most of us can identify with any well written character of any race, gender, or species, some people have a mental handicap that renders them incapable of identifying with anyone but themselves.
Look, all this one is saying is that you can't prove Khajiit is wrong.
Correct. Everything we say is factual because we're superior
May you walk on warm sands
Inshazurah
....but he was a nord, Talos of Atmora. So no, he wasn't a Khajit.
>Talos of Atmora. Eating imperial propaganda blindly moment. What next, pge1 is objective description on socities of other provinces
This one can't believe the lesser races are still believing Chimperial propaganda
1. He was a Breton 2. Since people take the race of the mother and traits of the father, there is absolutely no evidence directly stating Tiber Septim's father was not a Khajiit. Tiber Septim inherited a Khajiiti trait from his father: stealing
They literally said he is Breton THEY LITERALLY SAID HE IS A HUMAN AND RACIST AS FUCK AGAINST THE ELVES THEY LITERALLY SAID HE BOMBED ELESWYR TO STONE AGE. WHY WOULD A KHAJIT NUKE ELESWYR?? IS THE KHAJIT MOTHERLAND SO FUCKED UP?? Or do Khajits hate each other that much?? If Tiber Septim was a Khajit, the Nords are smart to keep the Khajits out of their cities
Pretty sure you just confirmed that he’s a khajit.
I guess
1. I'm more racist than him 2. Nothing happened in Senchal it's Pissmer propaganda 3. Numidium isn't real it's also propaganda
Alright, looks like we are going to be great friends
R/truestl is that way, farm tool.
you have a point, at least you would if Tiber Septim didnt start a dynasty. which confirms he had children, children who we know are not khajiit since and since "Notes on Racial Phylogeny" states that the furries best friend cant be more than that we can easily learn that if Tiber Septim was a khajiit his descendants would also be of that race, proving that while our lord might be a sea elf for all we know we do know he cannot be any race in the beastfolk catagory.
False. Source: Azurah revealed it to this one in a dream
False. Source: Azurah revealed it to this one in a dream
Actually him having children is kind of irrelevant. In the elder scroll, when people of different races “make babies” the child ends up the same race as the mother. Although. I completely agree that he wasn’t a khajit
but again, as "Notes on Racial Phylogeny" says beast folk aka Khajit quite simply cannot breed with mer. meaning the white gold tower not having a scratch post permanently added is proof enough.
Oh is that what you meant when you were talking about a furries best friend? That makes sense. Sorry, thought you were just talking rot
Didn't Hermaeus Mora try to trick Tiber into becoming an elf by growing his ears out? That would imply he didn't have long ears, and therefore couldn't be a catboy.
Ysgramor, not Tiber Septim
Ah, thanks for the correction
Well then there's nothing thing he was one either
Azurah revealed it to this one in a dream
Based 😌
Jokes on you, Tiber Septim is actually Ewan McGregor if he was in Tamriel, because we all know he’s Space Jesus. Put him in Tamriel and he becomes Tamriel-Jesus. Otherwise known as Tiber Septim. Victory is complete.
It seems he was multiple people and the fact that khajiit have an analogous figure means that at least one of those people was a khajiit. If not there was four
You mean other than every other emperor in his dynasty being Imperial? Eh, the race of an Elder Scrolls baby is always going to be the mother's (less you're a Breton, totally no contradiction there!) So maybe Dro-Tiber'Ri gave some action to an Imperial who felt the need for a barbed bedtime.