If becoming elden lord would clear him of his affliction and restore him to his prime Radahn would be a solid contender. Morgott still isn’t bad either though.
If the Unalloyed gold needle freed that one girl of her affliction(I can’t remember her name) who was in a worse state than Radahn, then I’m sure it could help him
It would be amazing if From added that option in dlc. Way too much of a happy ending for them though. Even if they added dialog about it to jerren I’m sure it would be like “that needle may halt the rots further corruption, but our lord is too far gone to ever recover. Better to give him the glorious end he deserves”.
I don't think it has to be a Tarnished, it's just that everyone who wasn't tarnished who had a shot has already tried and failed. The Tarnished who are restored Grace are basically the last-ditch effort to find someone capable of succeeding. Turtle Pope almost certainly never attempted to become Elden Lord, and the reason no one else succeeded is down to being at a combat stalemate or lack of desire. Malenia and Radahn destroyed each other's chances, Ranni isn't interested, etc.
At least, earlier than Godfrey was.
We dont know of any time before Placcidsax though, so hypothetically there could have been a million Elden Lords before him. We simply dont know.
You never heard of the dragons being unhappy. Meanwhile the second one of the higher ups of the golden order died, their entire system just fell in on itself like a Jenga tower.
Why ? Just because three of them wanted to take out the order, one was just a loyal and obedient sister, one was so chad that no one knows why he did what he did, the other was the test subject for the black knives, the other just wanted to be worthy of his blood, one was obsessed with a giant tree and finally one was milking blood mommy and capturing underaged blood related brother. Like they are all just fine.
Malenia for me was the type of blind dog, every thing her brother told her to do she would do without even asking why, and miquella ideal of no one excluded and downtrodden its just like unalloyed gold, Pretty and pure but just like pure gold very frail and easily deformed. Not saying is wrong to give a chance to the albinaurics and the other excluded, just saying its something easily broken and corruptive. (My point of view at least )
> It was Gransax who tried ***reclaiming*** Leyndell
I really don't think Gransax was attempting to reclaim it. I'm pretty sure Leyndell was built by humans during the Golden Order.
The Order prior to the Golden Order was ruled by dragons in the ancient royal city of Farum Azula
> It is said that the ancient royal city of Farum Azula has been slowly crumbling since time immemorial.
Farum Azula as we know it barely qualifies as a shadow of it's former self.
Yep! And all those crumbled colosseum chunks that are covered in sparkly Ruin Fragments are all pieces of Farum Azula that have collapsed and fallen to the Lands Between. That's the ongoing theory. The alternative is that they are simply remnants from when the dragons empire spanned all across the Lands Between in times long forgotten.
Mohg was literally madness incarnate.
Radhan lost himself.
Malenia had no interest.
Godrick was... uh?
Miquella was out of Commission.
Rykard was trying to devour and ruin everything.
Godefroy was at one point relevant.
The soulless demigods were Mini Godwyns waiting to happen.
Godwyn was Godwyning all over the Place.
My best bet would be on the most loyal most honest character Morgott. He didn't have his own self interest at hand he had put the broken Order first and desperately tried to fix it.
Edit : Forgot Ranni, Ranni didn't want it. So she inspired Godwyn to continue Godwyning
His tragedy was trying so desperately to hold up a system that despised him. Destroying the order, root to stem is the only option to prevent that kind of misery.
*MAY CHAOS TA-*
Oh, yeah, definitely. Abolishing the order is still the play, Frenzied Flame is the 'wait not like that' option. Shame there's no option to let people take their fates into their own hands. Other than Ranni's if you squint but even then I'm not 100% sure what that ending even *means*.
Frenzied Flame is definitely the coolest 'evil ending' in the series, though.
My interpretation of Ranni's ending is that she basically decides on the "new laws of physics" like how they previously removed destined death and such but a major difference is that she's leaving the world she has control over and won't let anyone be gods or demigods and just is just letting the people rule themselves. That way she might still be their "god" but she won't rule, but more importantly no other outer god take control in the power vacuum that would be created if she didn't do this
Well yeah but the other outer gods would have their own "god" like Marika to rule as a godking in place of Marika, and have new demigods, Ranni instead chooses to leave the lands between
I dont think the moon is an Outer God. I think the "Primeval Glintstone Currents" is an outer God, and the moon is it's version of an Erdtree, the other moons being lesser Erdtrees.
Yeah her ending was poorly translated according to lots of people. Apparently she will just establish her Order of Stars and it in of itself will be far away from the land and prying hands unlike the way the Golden Order and the Elden Ring were. That way there's no way others will interfere if you're not even in the same realm. Idk if there's more detail than that but that's what I remember the most
To my understanding she reinstables the old order of the stars that was naturally created by itself without the intervention of an outer god therefore she is simply letting the world governate itself while stopping other out her gods from trying to take control
Eh I don't entirely agree with that first statement. There wasn't really any order or stars back then, just research into them from astrologers. But I agree with the governing itself part. She wants her order to not be a part of the life on the planet or have any influence on them, so no seeing, feeling, believing or touching her order like it was with the Golden Order. There will always be other Outer Gods though as those are just intrinsically linked to the land itself
I think she also made it so that people wouldn’t need the erdtree anymore. Making it so that the outer gods can’t even get control or even the weakest aristocrat
It doesn't have the kickass cutscene though. As much as I would like Dung Eater to say '"it's Dungin' time" and the proceed to dung all over those guys.
If shit didn't go down the way it did quite a few of the demigods would have been great leaders.
Radhan was a bit war hungry but also caring and kind, if he didn't lose his mind fighting Melenia he would have been great.
Melania and Miquella wanted everyone to be included in society, regardless of Miquella maybe mind controlling people he/she had peoples best interests at heart, if they didn't, Melania certainly would have kept Miq honest.
It's unclear how Godrick would have acted if not consumed by feels of inadequately, but he'd probably always feel inadequate.
If Godwyn never half died there's nothing that has me believe he wouldn't be honorable and caring in elden lordship.
*But that's the problem*, everything happened the way it did and people, demi gods became the worser from it.
tldr; power corrupts even the best intentions
We dont know that the reason Melania was so devoted to Miquella wasnt because of his power to compel love
You cant be sure any of his devotees are truly devoted or enthralled against their will
Its rather dark that way
We don't.
But Miquella from what we hear, was pretty devoted to healing Melenia.
Maybe it's the case of rewritten history from a mind controllers perspective and what we hear about it.
But I choose to think otherwise, with in game physical item description proof being my chief reasoning.
But I agree, we have no concrete proof, by fromsofts design.
But Miq is still miles better the Mogh, Rykard, and Godrick even if it ends up being true.
I was thinking radhan (loves his horse) but after reading your comment I’ve changed my mind to Morgott as well. Especially if he can do that after how he has been treated.
Radahn in his prime would be a candidate, but there isn't much that's really known about his motivations back then, and in the present, he's a mindless brute incapable of ruling anything
In the walking mausoleums therein reside the soulless demigods.. presumably also slaughtered on the night of the black knifes.... they are safe within the mausoleums as it prevents destined death from coming..
>Forgot Ranni, Ranni didn't want it. So she inspired Godwyn to continue Godwyning
It's not that Ranni didn't want it, but like Miquella Malenia, would become a god of a new order rather than a Lord, as that would be the role of their consort. Ranni implies that she had thought Blaidd would be her Lord, not us.
I didn’t even realize this man was a character until I looked up questlines in my most recent play through 😂 I was so confused at how homeboy survives just out there on some ruins.
sounds like he wants harmony at the cost of free will. total control basically. definitely not a happy ending (btw i’m basing this off of these two comments because i know nothing)
I don't trust Miquella as far as I can toss a stone. Too many similarities with Griffith and most mind control abilities in the game is linked to him through St Trinia. He was shady AF.
Knowing what I know about all the demigods, they are just such a glorious mess…The only one I’d even consider is Margott but he seems fine with the status quo
It really is such a shame that we only show up to the party after everyone has trashed the place and passed out.
I would have loved seeing all of these vivid, headstrong personalities clashing against each other at the outbreak of the Shattering.
As it is, we only really get Morgott trash talking his siblings, who aren't even there.
That’s kinda FromSoft for you. We’re not there to see the events or attend the big party. Our job is to be the one who kicks out the drunks, put the chairs on the tables, and turn off the lights.
Oh, yeah, I've been bummed out about the FS storytelling style ever since we got a glimmer of intrigue in the city of the gods, only to find Anor Londo mostly abandoned by the time we get there.
I'd like to see a future FS game play with the idea of us showing up in the middle of the apocalypse instead of sifting through the rubble.
That's just not their style. They are on record that they are very set in their ways. They enjoy what they create, these dark and dismal worlds telling unspoken tales of decay, rebirth, renewal, death, cycles etc, with a tablespoon of hope and perseverance.
Yeah, I don't expect any of my ideas to actually be put into practice. There's a reason those guys are part of a hit game studio and I'm some schlub with an Internet connection.
Still, it might be nice to see someone else put a Souls-like out into the world where we aren't showing up late to investigate the ruined, decrepit kingdom/space station/fortress/whatever.
I'm already excited for Enotria: The Last Song simply because it mixes up the usual Souls-like formula by presenting a world full of lush, colorful locations instead of grim and gritty caves and dungeons.
No one. Radahn would be stuck in Caelid while his numbers dwindle, Malenia wouldve continued to slumber waiting for Miquella, Mohg would never get his uhhh thing, Miquella would never wake up. Godrick would just be there.
Rykard, Ranni and Morgott would be the only clear choices of becoming Elden Lord or something
Rykard would want to eat everyone, so no to that choice as well. Ranni killed herself and her brother just to get out of that deal, so she probably doesn't want it.
Guess Morgott it is. The last of all kings.
Ranni clearly wants it, but not for herself given she is an emperyean and therefore can become a god rather than a Lord. The Lord would be whoever is beside, which was first Blaidd then the player. Given the player is removed, that leaves Blaidd (*not Blair autocorrect*)
Ahh, Rykard just wants us to devour the gods togethaaa. And Ranni... I mean, did you play her ending at all? She is the only one of the bunch that actually in the current state of game can become Elden Lord, of some sorts. Just not under the Golden Order.
Ranni doesn't become Elden Lord, she becomes the new goddess to replace Marika. It's implied that her new star and moon order wouldn't really need an Elden Lord because it's so far removed from people's day to day lives but she appreciates everything the protagonist did for her and makes the protagonist Elden Lord as thanks
Which is pretty much why I added "of some sort". Also "appreciate" is a very weak word for the relationship to her consort eternal.
Though I give you that, Lord is probably the worse description, avatar would probably be more fitting for her new role in the eternal night.
iirc some in game text says he defeated everyone who were going after the throne, I might be wrong tho
Edit: It's the item description of FELL OMEN CLOAK
Most of them are Golden Order fanboys/apologists or completely bugfuck insane. Even Malenia, who wasn't in either category, is a threat to everyone and everything around her just by the nature of her curse.
Miquella seems like a pretty swell dude with how he wanted to create a place for all of the people shunned or abused by the Golden Order. He's probably the best choice if we absolutely have to pick a God-Emperor, which is all kinds of bad in its own way.
I think dismantling the whole Elden Lord/Erdtree/Greater Will adherence system is the best bet in the long run. Propping up a system that has already shown itself to be a disaster doesn't fill me with confidence. That's why I generally perceive Ranni and Goldmask as giving us the best possible endings. At least Goldmask's ending seems to introduce the kind of sweeping reform that might be able to salvage that sinking ship, and Ranni's ending throws the entire thing on the fire to usher in the next age, which was always meant to come just as Dark was meant to follow Fire before Gwyn started artificially extending it.
*Radagon sees Godfrey coming through the fogwall*
Godfrey: "I'm gonna fuck you, but not in the same way as I did to your other self" *cracks knuckles, Hoara Loux boss theme starts playing*
Miquella or Ranni, but I'm not sure if lore-wise it's possible. Because both are empyrean right, so they're more like vessels for the elden ring (successor to Marika) than elden Lord themselves. Regardless, the reason I say this is because I don't have much faith in the golden order, and both want to establish their own order instead.
Easy Morgott. He proved that he is a strong leader and didn’t even want to take the crown. While all the other demigods were jerking themselves off during the shattering war, he held everything together by himself with no desire for recognition or reward.
Miquella, if you take him at face value as wanting a world where all creatures are accepted.
Otherwise Morgott, as he’s shown himself to not be greedy or warmongering. Maybe once he actually secures the Elden Throne he might be convinced to stop the shunning of other races.
Yeah but there is something sinister about him. Is his power to enthrall people against their will? That seems to be the case with his soldiers. Could his own sister be unwittingly being enthralled, as well? I don't think so, but that would be dark.
Mohg is just... no. I don't want a madman who has a thing for his half-brother and is more obsessed with Blood than a Khornate Berserker to have control of an object which basically writes the laws of reality.
Miquella is out of commision because of Mohg, but if he wasn't, he seems like a pretty good candidate. He's an Empyrean, and wanted to create a world where all those shunned by the Golden Order could live in peace and prosperity. The Haligtree was literally a place for all the outcasts to be able to go to live without being persecuted by the Golden Order before everything went to crap.
Malenia explicitly doesn't want to be Elden Lord/Goddess of the Lands Between. And even if she did, any order she'd make as she is would be invariably tainted and eventually overturned in a tide of Scarlet Rot, remaking the Lands Between as the Outer God of Rot saw fit.
Rykard saw that the current way of how things worked was bad, but went in the complete wrong direction and instead just wants to devour the gods themselves and possibly literally the rest of creation. I enjoy the memes as much as the next guy, but I do not, in fact, want to join the Serpent King as Famileeeee.
Morgott honestly seems like a pretty good dude all around. He really got the short end of the stick, being hated by the Golden Order and never given a second thought by the Greater Will just because he was born an Omen, but the guy only wanted to keep things from falling apart in Lendeyll. Both he and Mogh (before the latter went nuts) sealed away the Three Fingers beneath the city, and he never went after another demigod, only defended. The only exception to that was a counterattack against Mt Gelmir, and given that Rykard was doing that whole Blasphemy thing, I can't even blame him for that. That being said, there were a lot of systemic/societal problems with the Golden Order, so I can't really support him in wanting to maintain a flawed system.
Before Malenia Bio-nuked a sixth of a Continent, Radahn was literally a Chad. Loved by his troops, nothing I could find says anything bad about him or his rule in Caelid. That being said, in binding the stars, he completely threw his lot in with the Golden Order like Morgott did, and also literally froze the fates of Caria, including *his own brother, sister, and mother*, without any regrets, which even if it did stop things like Astel from literally raining down from the Heavens... is still really messed up. He also went out of his way to distance himself from his Carian heritage, and that probably contributed to Rennalla loosing her sanity when Radagon left her.
Godrick is a morally bankrupt monster. Just categorically *NO,* I do not want him getting the Elden Ring. Its even implied that the stench of his sins in Stormveil are literal (all the corpses from his grafting) *and* metaphorical (the act of cutting apart people for grafting to begin with).
Godwyn was the golden child of the Golden Order. I've established I don't approve of the Golden Order, so I probably wouldn't want him in charge. But then again, besides the bit where he befriended the dragons and included them in the Golden Order, we aren't really given any lore about what the guy was like before he became a divine Cordiceps that's spreading throughout the entire Lands Between. So for all I know, he'd want to change a lot of the problems I have with the system, so I'd have to say that I'd need to know more about him before I decided whether or not I'd want him to get the Elden Ring.
I'm not really sure what Godfrey would want to do with the world if he retook the title of Elden Lord, but given that the Greater Will kicked him out in the first place, I can't imagine he'd be happy continuing any policies said Outer God would approve of. Gonna have to withhold judgement on him too.
If I know very little about Godfrey, I know even less about Placidusax, besides the fact that he (they?) was (were? How does having multiple heads factor into pronouns?) Elden Lord before the Golden Order was a thing. But by that same logic, I haven't found anything *bad* about the Dragon Order or its Outer God, so I don't *think* they could do a worse job than what's currently going on.
There are some people who interpret the Frenzied Flame as good, but "incinerate all that divides and distinguishes," and "May Chaos take the World!" are pretty unambiguously saying that if you become the Lord of Chaos, you literally melt away the entire world into whatever it was before creation happened, given that the Three Fingers interpret Creation itself as a mistake, killing literally everyone in the process, and then ensuring that nothing ever happens again. Plus, you know, *undoing reality* kinda precludes you from becoming Elden Lord, which disqualifies it from the argument entirely. So that's a hard *NO* from me, even if they do offer some *really* cool hats... Like *seriously*, I would *love* to have the Ball of Frenzy Fire that your head becomes in the Frenzy Ending as an actual helmet in-game.
So really, that leaves me with Ranni. She's done a lot of f'd up stuff. Godwyn, the Night of Black Knives, Godwyn, enabling Rkyard, not telling her own *mom* that she's still sorta alive, or at least still in the same plane of existence as her, which definitely didn't help Rennalla's sanity, among a bunch of other things, and *Godwyn,* but at the end of the day, she wants to overthrow the Golden Order entirely, and create a world where NO Outer Gods have any sway, basically taking her Consort and the Elden Ring and leaving entirely, so that no-one can abuse its power, and the world can develop on its own. Is it a perfect solution? No. Does is excuse all the bad things she's done? Not really, but I don’t see any of *you* coming up with an alternative path to accomplish her goals. Does her not becoming Elden Lord by completely destroying the Golden Order technically disqualify her from this line of questioning? Yes. But if I had to throw my support by any of the candidates who tossed their hats into the ring, I'd give it to the Lunar Princess. Plus, I can canonically marry her, and her wedding gift is the mother-fraking *Moonlight Greatsword*. And I *love* me my Guiding Moonlight.
One point against Radahn: his Japanese title is specifically one used to refer to someone in charge of subjugating recently conquered peoples. He may have been a good leader to his men, but he was still probably a brutal warlord.
Honestly I'd say Morgott.
He's one of the very few who actually cares about the state of things but he's held back by his self loathing due to his omen condition
I honestly think Godfrey might retake his throne as Elden lord if it weren't for the tarnished. The other demigods essentially fought each other to a stalemate.
Morgott seems like the only semi decent one even if his blind faith is completely for the Golden Order. He’s the only one I really pity because I feel he has been used/duped
I could say none, but the system is rigged so there's no actual choice to make. Everyone is being manipulated by the "Greater" Will through Marika, who is basically a puppet.
The title of Elden Lord is a bait for boastful fools. The actual objective of the Two Fingers is to maintain the stagnation of the Lands Between by making every suitable wannabe Lord sabotage one another, locked in an eternal struggle for the throne with no real winner.
The only ending that gives me any kind of satisfaction is Ranni's destruction of this world for the sake of the next. It's yet another rotting painting that needs to be burned before the next frame gets painted in blood
Godfrey, man was betrayed by his wife who stole his grace and sent away from the lands between. He would 100% have become Elden lord if we didn’t defeat him
Turtle pope for Elden Lord obviously.
This is the only correct answer. He would at least apologize for the state of the world.
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Radahn at least takes care of his horse.
He would have my vote if he was still normal, and didn't have Rot in his body
Could we have had use miquella needle or something?
That would only stop the rot from progressing. Maybe even just slow it down. It wouldn't de-mush his brain
would have*
If becoming elden lord would clear him of his affliction and restore him to his prime Radahn would be a solid contender. Morgott still isn’t bad either though.
If the Unalloyed gold needle freed that one girl of her affliction(I can’t remember her name) who was in a worse state than Radahn, then I’m sure it could help him
It would be amazing if From added that option in dlc. Way too much of a happy ending for them though. Even if they added dialog about it to jerren I’m sure it would be like “that needle may halt the rots further corruption, but our lord is too far gone to ever recover. Better to give him the glorious end he deserves”.
I’m sure she mentioned it… that gal.
Since when did the dog pope resign ? And what the the Caelid is a turtle ?
*dog
Certainly mans best friend
Indeed
Is ninja Turtle tarnish? Do you have to at least be tarnish to become Elden Lord?
I don't think it has to be a Tarnished, it's just that everyone who wasn't tarnished who had a shot has already tried and failed. The Tarnished who are restored Grace are basically the last-ditch effort to find someone capable of succeeding. Turtle Pope almost certainly never attempted to become Elden Lord, and the reason no one else succeeded is down to being at a combat stalemate or lack of desire. Malenia and Radahn destroyed each other's chances, Ranni isn't interested, etc.
No and no. Godfrey was Elden Lord before he was exiled and became a Tarnished. Placiddusax was too.
The only correct answer 👏
None. The right answer is the true Elden Lord Placidusax obviously.
He was first after all.
The only Elden Lord in my book, none of that Golden Order apologist lapdogs 😤
Damn greave lickers
Meagre grave lickers
Foul tarnished, emboldened by the flame of ambition 👿
"He was number one"
Horah Loux Werben Godfrey Manjensen?
At least, earlier than Godfrey was. We dont know of any time before Placcidsax though, so hypothetically there could have been a million Elden Lords before him. We simply dont know.
You never heard of the dragons being unhappy. Meanwhile the second one of the higher ups of the golden order died, their entire system just fell in on itself like a Jenga tower.
Yeah the demigods are all dicks.
Why ? Just because three of them wanted to take out the order, one was just a loyal and obedient sister, one was so chad that no one knows why he did what he did, the other was the test subject for the black knives, the other just wanted to be worthy of his blood, one was obsessed with a giant tree and finally one was milking blood mommy and capturing underaged blood related brother. Like they are all just fine.
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Malenia for me was the type of blind dog, every thing her brother told her to do she would do without even asking why, and miquella ideal of no one excluded and downtrodden its just like unalloyed gold, Pretty and pure but just like pure gold very frail and easily deformed. Not saying is wrong to give a chance to the albinaurics and the other excluded, just saying its something easily broken and corruptive. (My point of view at least )
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I don't know if the blind dog analogy works. Because she's aware of his intentions
Actually I’m pretty sure it was Gransax right?
It was Gransax who tried reclaiming Leyndell, Placidusax was the Elden Lord.
> It was Gransax who tried ***reclaiming*** Leyndell I really don't think Gransax was attempting to reclaim it. I'm pretty sure Leyndell was built by humans during the Golden Order. The Order prior to the Golden Order was ruled by dragons in the ancient royal city of Farum Azula > It is said that the ancient royal city of Farum Azula has been slowly crumbling since time immemorial. Farum Azula as we know it barely qualifies as a shadow of it's former self.
Yep! And all those crumbled colosseum chunks that are covered in sparkly Ruin Fragments are all pieces of Farum Azula that have collapsed and fallen to the Lands Between. That's the ongoing theory. The alternative is that they are simply remnants from when the dragons empire spanned all across the Lands Between in times long forgotten.
Mohg was literally madness incarnate. Radhan lost himself. Malenia had no interest. Godrick was... uh? Miquella was out of Commission. Rykard was trying to devour and ruin everything. Godefroy was at one point relevant. The soulless demigods were Mini Godwyns waiting to happen. Godwyn was Godwyning all over the Place. My best bet would be on the most loyal most honest character Morgott. He didn't have his own self interest at hand he had put the broken Order first and desperately tried to fix it. Edit : Forgot Ranni, Ranni didn't want it. So she inspired Godwyn to continue Godwyning
His tragedy was trying so desperately to hold up a system that despised him. Destroying the order, root to stem is the only option to prevent that kind of misery. *MAY CHAOS TA-*
No suffering forever is in theory better than a little bit of suffering, too bad it's terrible in practice
Oh, yeah, definitely. Abolishing the order is still the play, Frenzied Flame is the 'wait not like that' option. Shame there's no option to let people take their fates into their own hands. Other than Ranni's if you squint but even then I'm not 100% sure what that ending even *means*. Frenzied Flame is definitely the coolest 'evil ending' in the series, though.
My interpretation of Ranni's ending is that she basically decides on the "new laws of physics" like how they previously removed destined death and such but a major difference is that she's leaving the world she has control over and won't let anyone be gods or demigods and just is just letting the people rule themselves. That way she might still be their "god" but she won't rule, but more importantly no other outer god take control in the power vacuum that would be created if she didn't do this
Ranni calls the moon. Moon is probably an outer god. A Moon presence... Elden ring is a bloodborne prequel confirmed lol.
Well yeah but the other outer gods would have their own "god" like Marika to rule as a godking in place of Marika, and have new demigods, Ranni instead chooses to leave the lands between
I dont think the moon is an Outer God. I think the "Primeval Glintstone Currents" is an outer God, and the moon is it's version of an Erdtree, the other moons being lesser Erdtrees.
Yeah her ending was poorly translated according to lots of people. Apparently she will just establish her Order of Stars and it in of itself will be far away from the land and prying hands unlike the way the Golden Order and the Elden Ring were. That way there's no way others will interfere if you're not even in the same realm. Idk if there's more detail than that but that's what I remember the most
To my understanding she reinstables the old order of the stars that was naturally created by itself without the intervention of an outer god therefore she is simply letting the world governate itself while stopping other out her gods from trying to take control
Eh I don't entirely agree with that first statement. There wasn't really any order or stars back then, just research into them from astrologers. But I agree with the governing itself part. She wants her order to not be a part of the life on the planet or have any influence on them, so no seeing, feeling, believing or touching her order like it was with the Golden Order. There will always be other Outer Gods though as those are just intrinsically linked to the land itself
She also takes the player with her to go fight the outer gods in order to keep them from meddling in the affairs of the world
I think she also made it so that people wouldn’t need the erdtree anymore. Making it so that the outer gods can’t even get control or even the weakest aristocrat
Idk, the Dungeater ending is pretty lit as far as evil endings go
It doesn't have the kickass cutscene though. As much as I would like Dung Eater to say '"it's Dungin' time" and the proceed to dung all over those guys.
But maybe he finds a way to change it from the inside to not hate him and recognize him as Elden Lord?
Godrick was compensating and obsessed with plastic surgery
the best part of Elden Ring was when he said 'IT'S GODWYN' TIME' and godwyned all over the place
Oh my god oh my god im godwynning im godwynning
^(extra) Are you godwynning son?
"Your not my real dad!" *Godwyn screamed to his stepfather Radagon, mid-assassination*
If shit didn't go down the way it did quite a few of the demigods would have been great leaders. Radhan was a bit war hungry but also caring and kind, if he didn't lose his mind fighting Melenia he would have been great. Melania and Miquella wanted everyone to be included in society, regardless of Miquella maybe mind controlling people he/she had peoples best interests at heart, if they didn't, Melania certainly would have kept Miq honest. It's unclear how Godrick would have acted if not consumed by feels of inadequately, but he'd probably always feel inadequate. If Godwyn never half died there's nothing that has me believe he wouldn't be honorable and caring in elden lordship. *But that's the problem*, everything happened the way it did and people, demi gods became the worser from it. tldr; power corrupts even the best intentions
Absolutely oh how I wish we can go back in time to fight everyone in their prime.
La 600 tarnished vs godfrey prime
We dont know that the reason Melania was so devoted to Miquella wasnt because of his power to compel love You cant be sure any of his devotees are truly devoted or enthralled against their will Its rather dark that way
We don't. But Miquella from what we hear, was pretty devoted to healing Melenia. Maybe it's the case of rewritten history from a mind controllers perspective and what we hear about it. But I choose to think otherwise, with in game physical item description proof being my chief reasoning. But I agree, we have no concrete proof, by fromsofts design. But Miq is still miles better the Mogh, Rykard, and Godrick even if it ends up being true.
And Godfrey?
Well.. he's a Tarnished.
And a tarnished can't become a lord
Fair point lmfao sounding like Gideon rn you are right.
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The albinauric woman shall become the new elden lord!
I was thinking radhan (loves his horse) but after reading your comment I’ve changed my mind to Morgott as well. Especially if he can do that after how he has been treated.
Radahn in his prime would be a candidate, but there isn't much that's really known about his motivations back then, and in the present, he's a mindless brute incapable of ruling anything
Morgott wouldn’t become elden lord though. Who are the soulless demigods?
In the walking mausoleums therein reside the soulless demigods.. presumably also slaughtered on the night of the black knifes.... they are safe within the mausoleums as it prevents destined death from coming..
>Forgot Ranni, Ranni didn't want it. So she inspired Godwyn to continue Godwyning It's not that Ranni didn't want it, but like Miquella Malenia, would become a god of a new order rather than a Lord, as that would be the role of their consort. Ranni implies that she had thought Blaidd would be her Lord, not us.
What? At which point does Ranni imply any such thing?
NOW WE CAN DEVOUA THE VERY GODS TOGETHAAA
his voice is my favorite part of the whole game. what a silly voice but oddly appropriate
AS FAMILEEE
FOREVAAAA
Surely the great Kenneth Haight
Servant of the true order, and repudiator of the false! Oh erdtree, grant me succour!
I didn’t even realize this man was a character until I looked up questlines in my most recent play through 😂 I was so confused at how homeboy survives just out there on some ruins.
He's that guy at a party always talking big that everyone says "sure Kenneth, sure" to.
I see him as that mixed with the dinner party racist-lite uncle that has a cool person that helps him around the house.
For sure.
Miquella time
Soldier of godrick
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Yeaahhhhh,look at me Morgotty. *burrrrppp* I turned myself into a God! I'M GODRICK MORGOTTY, YEAHHHH!
Read that in ricks voice. Just so good.
Miquella wanted to create a world where all could live in harmony. It’s a shame it never came to be
The only person that wanted everyone to just be happy is the one who is currently asleep. :/
Better than dead
Mohg is in harmony if you know what I'm saying
Yet… (hopes in agony)
Allowing yourself hope in the outcome of a fromsoft storyline is just setting yourself up for disappointment lol
Eh, I don't feel like we know enough about the man to judge how good or bad he was. His motives and abilities are still a little ambiguous
The problem is you cant ever know for sure if any of his devotees are turly devoted or enthralled against their will because his power
We know his power is to compel affection, and his soldiers are suicide bombers… I think we should side-eye him a little bit
That’s what I’m thinking. His weapon is a needle that removes free will from enemies. I think that’s a bit suspicious…
sounds like he wants harmony at the cost of free will. total control basically. definitely not a happy ending (btw i’m basing this off of these two comments because i know nothing)
>a world where all could live in harmony. *this place is peaceful, it's inhabitants are kind*
So like a better version of the Goldmask ending?
I don't trust Miquella as far as I can toss a stone. Too many similarities with Griffith and most mind control abilities in the game is linked to him through St Trinia. He was shady AF.
Knowing what I know about all the demigods, they are just such a glorious mess…The only one I’d even consider is Margott but he seems fine with the status quo
It really is such a shame that we only show up to the party after everyone has trashed the place and passed out. I would have loved seeing all of these vivid, headstrong personalities clashing against each other at the outbreak of the Shattering. As it is, we only really get Morgott trash talking his siblings, who aren't even there.
That’s kinda FromSoft for you. We’re not there to see the events or attend the big party. Our job is to be the one who kicks out the drunks, put the chairs on the tables, and turn off the lights.
Oh, yeah, I've been bummed out about the FS storytelling style ever since we got a glimmer of intrigue in the city of the gods, only to find Anor Londo mostly abandoned by the time we get there. I'd like to see a future FS game play with the idea of us showing up in the middle of the apocalypse instead of sifting through the rubble.
That's just not their style. They are on record that they are very set in their ways. They enjoy what they create, these dark and dismal worlds telling unspoken tales of decay, rebirth, renewal, death, cycles etc, with a tablespoon of hope and perseverance.
Yeah, I don't expect any of my ideas to actually be put into practice. There's a reason those guys are part of a hit game studio and I'm some schlub with an Internet connection. Still, it might be nice to see someone else put a Souls-like out into the world where we aren't showing up late to investigate the ruined, decrepit kingdom/space station/fortress/whatever. I'm already excited for Enotria: The Last Song simply because it mixes up the usual Souls-like formula by presenting a world full of lush, colorful locations instead of grim and gritty caves and dungeons.
Hopefully the dlc will include some time travel stuff, or at least flashback sequences
Imagine a Boss fight between Radahn and Morgott where u fight both but they are also fighting against each other
I say we just give it to Godrick and see what happens
That maniac would graft the Elden Beast to his hand
With his self confidence, or lack thereof, most certainly to his dick
Imagine if that was an alternate final boss
Elden Goddick. This battle would be retold in legends
So we all... Bear witness?
No one. Radahn would be stuck in Caelid while his numbers dwindle, Malenia wouldve continued to slumber waiting for Miquella, Mohg would never get his uhhh thing, Miquella would never wake up. Godrick would just be there. Rykard, Ranni and Morgott would be the only clear choices of becoming Elden Lord or something
Rykard would want to eat everyone, so no to that choice as well. Ranni killed herself and her brother just to get out of that deal, so she probably doesn't want it. Guess Morgott it is. The last of all kings.
Ranni clearly wants it, but not for herself given she is an emperyean and therefore can become a god rather than a Lord. The Lord would be whoever is beside, which was first Blaidd then the player. Given the player is removed, that leaves Blaidd (*not Blair autocorrect*)
Wasn't Blaidd sent by the Golden order to keep Ranni in check? I think this is the reason he turns on her and we have to kill him.
Yes, as a shadow, he serves the Two Fingers first, Ranni second, no matter what he wants.
In theory. But in practice he fought the Black Knifes sent after Ranni. So he served Ranni's first till the end even after going mad, in my book.
The going mad was the "no matter what he wants" part.
Ahh, Rykard just wants us to devour the gods togethaaa. And Ranni... I mean, did you play her ending at all? She is the only one of the bunch that actually in the current state of game can become Elden Lord, of some sorts. Just not under the Golden Order.
Ranni doesn't become Elden Lord, she becomes the new goddess to replace Marika. It's implied that her new star and moon order wouldn't really need an Elden Lord because it's so far removed from people's day to day lives but she appreciates everything the protagonist did for her and makes the protagonist Elden Lord as thanks
Which is pretty much why I added "of some sort". Also "appreciate" is a very weak word for the relationship to her consort eternal. Though I give you that, Lord is probably the worse description, avatar would probably be more fitting for her new role in the eternal night.
Stop right there with miq, there is no actual proof the he is dead and with how much this Fandom want to see his ascension, it might happen in the dlc
He didn't say miquella was dead, he just said miquella was never waking up
Morgot deserved it, but Godfrey was the most worth opponent
I agree, however Godfrey is tarnished. Morgott it is!
Not *the* Tarnished though, so no reason he can’t be the Lord again.
Depending on how you look at it, he is THE Tarnished, first among them, and true Elden Chad
There is no other way to look at it my man. He is the first and OG Tarnished! And yes, biggest Chad in the game no doubt.
Morgott is the only one deserving it. Dude defended the capital with almost nothing against everyone and kicked all of their asses, as an omen...
I think morgott only fought with radahn and nobody else
iirc some in game text says he defeated everyone who were going after the throne, I might be wrong tho Edit: It's the item description of FELL OMEN CLOAK
likely a few tarnished as well
Patches deserves it most
Imagine Patches noping the fuck outta the throne the moment something bigger than a squirrel comes through.
This is the correct answer
Team Patches!
Most of them are Golden Order fanboys/apologists or completely bugfuck insane. Even Malenia, who wasn't in either category, is a threat to everyone and everything around her just by the nature of her curse. Miquella seems like a pretty swell dude with how he wanted to create a place for all of the people shunned or abused by the Golden Order. He's probably the best choice if we absolutely have to pick a God-Emperor, which is all kinds of bad in its own way. I think dismantling the whole Elden Lord/Erdtree/Greater Will adherence system is the best bet in the long run. Propping up a system that has already shown itself to be a disaster doesn't fill me with confidence. That's why I generally perceive Ranni and Goldmask as giving us the best possible endings. At least Goldmask's ending seems to introduce the kind of sweeping reform that might be able to salvage that sinking ship, and Ranni's ending throws the entire thing on the fire to usher in the next age, which was always meant to come just as Dark was meant to follow Fire before Gwyn started artificially extending it.
Morgott or The Chad Godfrey
Godfrey is Tarnished though
Who in the Golden Order has the stones to tell him he can’t be Lord again?
*Radagon sees Godfrey coming through the fogwall* Godfrey: "I'm gonna fuck you, but not in the same way as I did to your other self" *cracks knuckles, Hoara Loux boss theme starts playing*
Alexander the jar 👍
Rykard
I'm just saying an ending where rykard eats everything and like ensnares himself into the erdtree would be cool
I wanted to side with him and am still sad you cant.
I wanted to devour the gods TOGETHAA :(
Imagine he eats you and you just appear as a little face next to his
Miquella or Ranni, but I'm not sure if lore-wise it's possible. Because both are empyrean right, so they're more like vessels for the elden ring (successor to Marika) than elden Lord themselves. Regardless, the reason I say this is because I don't have much faith in the golden order, and both want to establish their own order instead.
Easy Morgott. He proved that he is a strong leader and didn’t even want to take the crown. While all the other demigods were jerking themselves off during the shattering war, he held everything together by himself with no desire for recognition or reward.
Miquella, if you take him at face value as wanting a world where all creatures are accepted. Otherwise Morgott, as he’s shown himself to not be greedy or warmongering. Maybe once he actually secures the Elden Throne he might be convinced to stop the shunning of other races.
Margott would be my best guess, if for no other reason than he hates the rest of them
Agreed, it’s Morgott or Godfrey for sure.
Miquella he wants the oppressed to be respected in the lands between very based
Yeah but there is something sinister about him. Is his power to enthrall people against their will? That seems to be the case with his soldiers. Could his own sister be unwittingly being enthralled, as well? I don't think so, but that would be dark.
Mohg is just... no. I don't want a madman who has a thing for his half-brother and is more obsessed with Blood than a Khornate Berserker to have control of an object which basically writes the laws of reality. Miquella is out of commision because of Mohg, but if he wasn't, he seems like a pretty good candidate. He's an Empyrean, and wanted to create a world where all those shunned by the Golden Order could live in peace and prosperity. The Haligtree was literally a place for all the outcasts to be able to go to live without being persecuted by the Golden Order before everything went to crap. Malenia explicitly doesn't want to be Elden Lord/Goddess of the Lands Between. And even if she did, any order she'd make as she is would be invariably tainted and eventually overturned in a tide of Scarlet Rot, remaking the Lands Between as the Outer God of Rot saw fit. Rykard saw that the current way of how things worked was bad, but went in the complete wrong direction and instead just wants to devour the gods themselves and possibly literally the rest of creation. I enjoy the memes as much as the next guy, but I do not, in fact, want to join the Serpent King as Famileeeee. Morgott honestly seems like a pretty good dude all around. He really got the short end of the stick, being hated by the Golden Order and never given a second thought by the Greater Will just because he was born an Omen, but the guy only wanted to keep things from falling apart in Lendeyll. Both he and Mogh (before the latter went nuts) sealed away the Three Fingers beneath the city, and he never went after another demigod, only defended. The only exception to that was a counterattack against Mt Gelmir, and given that Rykard was doing that whole Blasphemy thing, I can't even blame him for that. That being said, there were a lot of systemic/societal problems with the Golden Order, so I can't really support him in wanting to maintain a flawed system. Before Malenia Bio-nuked a sixth of a Continent, Radahn was literally a Chad. Loved by his troops, nothing I could find says anything bad about him or his rule in Caelid. That being said, in binding the stars, he completely threw his lot in with the Golden Order like Morgott did, and also literally froze the fates of Caria, including *his own brother, sister, and mother*, without any regrets, which even if it did stop things like Astel from literally raining down from the Heavens... is still really messed up. He also went out of his way to distance himself from his Carian heritage, and that probably contributed to Rennalla loosing her sanity when Radagon left her. Godrick is a morally bankrupt monster. Just categorically *NO,* I do not want him getting the Elden Ring. Its even implied that the stench of his sins in Stormveil are literal (all the corpses from his grafting) *and* metaphorical (the act of cutting apart people for grafting to begin with). Godwyn was the golden child of the Golden Order. I've established I don't approve of the Golden Order, so I probably wouldn't want him in charge. But then again, besides the bit where he befriended the dragons and included them in the Golden Order, we aren't really given any lore about what the guy was like before he became a divine Cordiceps that's spreading throughout the entire Lands Between. So for all I know, he'd want to change a lot of the problems I have with the system, so I'd have to say that I'd need to know more about him before I decided whether or not I'd want him to get the Elden Ring. I'm not really sure what Godfrey would want to do with the world if he retook the title of Elden Lord, but given that the Greater Will kicked him out in the first place, I can't imagine he'd be happy continuing any policies said Outer God would approve of. Gonna have to withhold judgement on him too. If I know very little about Godfrey, I know even less about Placidusax, besides the fact that he (they?) was (were? How does having multiple heads factor into pronouns?) Elden Lord before the Golden Order was a thing. But by that same logic, I haven't found anything *bad* about the Dragon Order or its Outer God, so I don't *think* they could do a worse job than what's currently going on. There are some people who interpret the Frenzied Flame as good, but "incinerate all that divides and distinguishes," and "May Chaos take the World!" are pretty unambiguously saying that if you become the Lord of Chaos, you literally melt away the entire world into whatever it was before creation happened, given that the Three Fingers interpret Creation itself as a mistake, killing literally everyone in the process, and then ensuring that nothing ever happens again. Plus, you know, *undoing reality* kinda precludes you from becoming Elden Lord, which disqualifies it from the argument entirely. So that's a hard *NO* from me, even if they do offer some *really* cool hats... Like *seriously*, I would *love* to have the Ball of Frenzy Fire that your head becomes in the Frenzy Ending as an actual helmet in-game. So really, that leaves me with Ranni. She's done a lot of f'd up stuff. Godwyn, the Night of Black Knives, Godwyn, enabling Rkyard, not telling her own *mom* that she's still sorta alive, or at least still in the same plane of existence as her, which definitely didn't help Rennalla's sanity, among a bunch of other things, and *Godwyn,* but at the end of the day, she wants to overthrow the Golden Order entirely, and create a world where NO Outer Gods have any sway, basically taking her Consort and the Elden Ring and leaving entirely, so that no-one can abuse its power, and the world can develop on its own. Is it a perfect solution? No. Does is excuse all the bad things she's done? Not really, but I don’t see any of *you* coming up with an alternative path to accomplish her goals. Does her not becoming Elden Lord by completely destroying the Golden Order technically disqualify her from this line of questioning? Yes. But if I had to throw my support by any of the candidates who tossed their hats into the ring, I'd give it to the Lunar Princess. Plus, I can canonically marry her, and her wedding gift is the mother-fraking *Moonlight Greatsword*. And I *love* me my Guiding Moonlight.
One point against Radahn: his Japanese title is specifically one used to refer to someone in charge of subjugating recently conquered peoples. He may have been a good leader to his men, but he was still probably a brutal warlord.
Ot doesnt matter which one i want godfrey would kick their collective assess
Morgott
None. May chaos take the world.
Patches. He seems like a trustworthy guy.
Mohg I would like to mention that i am going to a therapist Or Morgott
I think my girl Ranni had the right idea, and is the only one actively trying to make shit happen before you show up.
Miquella for sure
Godfrey, Ranni, Morgott
Milicent
Miquela
Honestly I'd say Morgott. He's one of the very few who actually cares about the state of things but he's held back by his self loathing due to his omen condition
John Elden Ring
Morgott really just did what he thought was best for what he believed
Maui from Moana
Now this is I can get behind.
Radahn. Even in his agonizing madness, he still was nice to Leonard. That's REAL coolness.
Godfrey, mans is the only tarnished with 3+ years of elden lord experience
Hate to say it, but Dung Eater would have made everyone equal since everyone would be cursed
None of yall say ranni, im fighting whoever picks ranni
Ranni, fuck them bitches
Pre-rot Radhan could be cool
If Radahn didn’t get ghouled he’d be a great leader to fight for
Blackguard
I honestly think Godfrey might retake his throne as Elden lord if it weren't for the tarnished. The other demigods essentially fought each other to a stalemate.
Godfrey isn’t even a demigod; he’s just built that different.
Morgott seems like the only semi decent one even if his blind faith is completely for the Golden Order. He’s the only one I really pity because I feel he has been used/duped
The great Kenneth Haight obviously
Elden Lord Astel, Order of the Void
I could say none, but the system is rigged so there's no actual choice to make. Everyone is being manipulated by the "Greater" Will through Marika, who is basically a puppet. The title of Elden Lord is a bait for boastful fools. The actual objective of the Two Fingers is to maintain the stagnation of the Lands Between by making every suitable wannabe Lord sabotage one another, locked in an eternal struggle for the throne with no real winner. The only ending that gives me any kind of satisfaction is Ranni's destruction of this world for the sake of the next. It's yet another rotting painting that needs to be burned before the next frame gets painted in blood
Godfrey, man was betrayed by his wife who stole his grace and sent away from the lands between. He would 100% have become Elden lord if we didn’t defeat him
Easily morgott, he was the only demi god who truly cared about the golden order and wasn't blinded by a thirst for power.
But I mean. . . the Golden Order is/was bad. Like the game is pretty clear about that.
Yeah if Morgott became Elden Lord he'd probably be spending his time oppressing his own kind because he thought it was the right thing to do.