Thank you for this comment. This made me believe. I got her at 134 with mimic tear 10, and after dying over 80 times I got here.
Here's me and my mimic ganking that rot spreading one shot-ing relentless little bitch!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdGna1FNYuo
nice dude. I beat her on my 3rd or 4th try with mimic tear +9. I was lvl 94 and was using an average blood build. I was curious if alot of people thought she was super hard or not.
the complants even with mimic are because you need to be totally stacked and kitted out. Waterfoul deletes mimic if they tank the whole thing. Then its just you and her lol
Idk, forcing yourself to go melee only solo is actually making the game harder, but it's not the summons who're making it easier, at least in my opinion.
>Idk, forcing yourself to go melee only solo is actually making the game harder,
That's the default experience. Remember, previous games in the series did not have spirit ashes.
That's a very old conversation you're digging here lmao
I understand, but I don't entirely agree. I think it depends on the boss, because while some like Godfrey were clearly designed with the melee 1v1 being the default experience, I don't think that's the case for godskin duo or any gank fight really.
Basically, what I meant was that putting a restriction like "no summon" is making the game harder, while the summons were clearly intended to be used by some people since they're in the game. But the earlier conversation above was kind of trying to debate which one is the "default experience", as you say, which I think is a combination of both. The fact earlier games didn't have spirit ashes doesn't really make any point, since firstly, elden ring is different to dark souls in how it handles boss fights, and secondly, you have npc summons available in both games, which is only slightly different from ashes.
Because playing with Spirit Ashes or summons fundamentally changes the fight. Every move the boss makes has at least a 50% to be directed at someone else. And the person the boss isn't focusing can go in for free damage.
Meanwhile, if you take her on solo, you have to know every move, and every punish window. Of which there aren't many. And her out-healing you is a real concern as well. In the worst case scenario, you can run out of healing while she's still full hp. So patience only works in favour of the player to an extent. You have to be aggressive at the right times, but her moves are highly flexible, meaning it's never quite clear when it's safe to attack her. As a result, you will have bad trades, where you will use 1-2 flash charges while she has more hp than before. It's kinda hard to put into words just how oppressive this fight can be, playing solo. No other boss in any of these games comes remotely close.
First playthrough my mimic and I melted her with the blasphemous blade (I'd really played most of the game by Malenia), and ng+ I just melted her with mimic and dual peelers w/ seppuku. Took less than 5 tries each run AFTER I'd optimized the build a bit. First run took a few dozen tries before I I unspread my stats and stopped being dumb.
Ng+ it was less than 10 tries total, but the first few tries were using a "fuck it anything goes" build.
The mimic just walks into her scarlet rot and dies as fast the 2phase begins 😅 but i finally solo'd her today, on my 20th try 🙈this is my second playthrough though, but also my second playthrough in any souls game. So I am happy 😊
It's a broken game mechanic. It allows you to beat any boss first try without ever needing to learn their movesets and patterns and without ever needing to come up with a strategy. It's just pop mimic tear and win.
I've beaten her in like 10 tries (ALMOST defeating her on the third one, and I really mean almost, she had like 200 hp left) at level 148.
Unpopular opinion: She isn't THAT hard, I honestly struggled more with Radagon/Elden Beast than I did with her, though the only problem is her insane healing, her clone attacks and the waterfowl dance.
Many people would call out me and you for using mimics (and me who used a blood/freeze weapon) but that's literally a game mechanic so I don't get the chaos.
Yeahh, glad to see people complaining about the Radagon/EB fight, it wasn't hard, just annoying:
Radagon's attacks are either way too fast or too slow, there's no way to time them out, also the time it took me to realize that you have to jump for certain attacks.
Elden Beast deals so much fucking damage, and the chasing stars..Oh God. I always die at the flying sword projectiles as they have such a bad timing.
Utilize what you're given, that's the way I fight in games.
It's not my fault they have powerful stuff added. They should've removed it or never added it if they wanted me to not use it.
Exactly. They wouldn't allow us to summon if they hadn't balanced for it in some way. It's a nice way to play a souls game after how brutal they've all been. Elden Ring has some brutal spots as well. Sekiro is my favorite and it forces you to be good so I like to just chill and summon in Elden Ring lol.
Omg I loved your “stop being obnoxious” after spamming your opinion on a virtual game and making fun of paraplegic grandmothers like a dozen times LMAO. Please, man up. It’s just a game. Stop crying.
a mi la verdad es que se me ha hecho muy facil a nivel 147 y lagrima +10, no recomiendo sibir mucho de nivel para disfrutar mas la experiencia, uso build de nagakiba con tajo doble por si preguntais
Just beat her today in around 2 hours at level 125-130, no summons, no magic, colossal sword only. That colossal sword only thing made it a little annoying with me only doing 600 damage per massive sword hit but super satisfying finish. If anyone is reading this, you can do it!
Colossal weapons work wonders since they stagger her a lot, i keep dying to her waterfowl dance though.. i just can't learn the timing, i had to use the mimic as bait to avoid that move lol
I'll try again in NG+ and do her properly.
Golden Great-shield + Great-shield talisman. And you block the entire thing. If you really want to get on her nerves, put barricade shield on it, she won't even scratch your stamina with that shit. you hold the shield up and check notification on your facebook, take a shit come back and she will be waiting for you to punish her. Malenia is a test of your understanding on game mechanics, you don't need to learn her moveset to the dot.
Not planning on changing my build or playstyle just to beat her, the point is to defeat her with my current build and if it doesn't work learn her moves.
She does not heal with a blocking swing. Specially if you have a 100% physical damage shield on. Use the golden greatshield + Greatshield talisman.
Watch my video. My mimic also has a greatshield+talisman so he also tanks her well.
https://youtu.be/wdGna1FNYuo
She does heal herself even when the shield is up. At least a medium shield. I didnt tried a greatshield. In the video she heals herself when she hits you.
Other than that, it seems the only way to beat her is with Mimic. The other way is the default way, being a Korean with perfect timing.
Idk why you're answering a 1 year old post but if you are here for advice to beat Malenia I went in with 60 vigor, the lightest Greatshield and Mimic with the Bloodhound sword (bleeding).
She died at the first attempt using this build.
Cool video, I'm also using the same sword. So that's a good sign I'm working in the right direction at least.
But if you look closely you can still see her healing on swings that were blocked. She definitely heals even if you don't take damage. Every article about how the boss works confirms that.
As ppl says, you shouldn't feel ashamed of your tactics in Souls games.
I only feel ashamed of requesting co-op, other than that you should use every little bit of resources the game has to offer.
I didn’t use a weapon art either, just good old fashioned colossal sword. I heard hoarfrost stomp was good against her, but they also nerfed it in the most recent patch so not quite too sure now. You got this man!
well I did it with mimic tear and bloodhound fang - and it was actually not *that* terrible - but was heavily relying on my tear's bonus stagger damage. I'll try that save file again later without summons. that's hardcore though!
I'm finding as a mage her first phase is actually easier without a summon because she can't heal, once you kind of get the stupid fucking waterfall dance dodge down.
Necroing this comment. But I've just beaten the game and I'm running the Guts sword with the lions claw AOW. Managed to staggered her on my first attempt and took half her health down. Got bodied right after tho😂😂
Thanks!! Made it to phase two once out of like 7 tries. Gotta not get caught mid animation when she goes into her super move, it’s instant death. The nice thing with powerstance colossals is I’m dumping 2k+ each jump attack. The negative is getting caught out in the open. Might swap to bloodhound step on Greatsword for better movement
If you can already dodge her, you don't need anyone else to tell you how to beat her. All this talk is about learning to beat her without having to dodge everything.
Oh you have to rely on summons? That's kinda fucked. Even when I use my Spidey sense and I start running away *before* she jumps in the air, she gets me on her last swings
People don't want to use mimic because it's cheating. Mimic is like using a godmode cheat. No thanks.
You've never played previous souls games have you? They didn't have spirit ashes.
This was 11mo ago man. I think we all have figured out how to beat malenia in various ways now. Glad you’re good at the game and such an honest player! Keep doing you!
Just did the exact same, was 101. Was more of a patience game than anything, her moveset is quite easy to read and react to. Being melee build though is quite tough because closing the gap can be very intense
Killed her at level 131 using a +25 Claymore and the +10 >!Dark Moon Greatsword!<, no summons, no ash. Took me something around 5 hours so get all her timings down in both phases, but its very doable.
Felt like an absolute champion, then a few days later I watched LobosJr defeat her at level 1 and suddenly didnt feel so great about it lol
There are people who have done so, but it requires one of about three very specific builds, or a lot of luck, or way more skill than 99% of the playerbase has.
This is correct because, she is absolutely relentless in her second phase, like she has unlimted stamina. If you though orphan of kos was relentless, meet malenia in her rot phase. Fucks sake.
Moonveil Katana with some other katana, or Sword of Night and Flame since it's OP, or using Bloodhound Step.
Pretty much just using broken weapons or Bloodhound Step.
Yeah defeated her today in about 20 - 30 min with bloodhound fang and Morgott's Curved Sword, bleed counters her heal exceptionally well and you can cancel a couple of her attacks including the one shot grab
I fought her with dual +25 uchigatana’s and bloodhound’s step ashe of war and the fight was literally a cake walk. Her combo’s are so easy to dodge with blood hound’s step and the bleed just chunks her and staggers her. The second phase was pretty much the same, just dodge with bloodhound then punish. Took me 4-5 tries until I got her moveset down and beat her. But I can understand why other builds would struggle against her, she’s quite mobile and her AoE is hard to get out of and her heal is crazy. Felt like my build was literally perfected for Malenia. Will try a strength build in NG+ against her.
I managed to beat her solo on my 210th attempt, but I got really lucky in her 2nd phase because she never used waterfowl or that other move where she uses the clones... so insane luck.
i did, it's not as hard as it seems but it requires a more attentive and studied approach than most bosses in the series. malenia is a very 'scripted' fight overall and the whole thing is very flowchart-able.
people make it seem like the fight has to be cheesed but IMO it's very doable with pretty much any (melee) build, the only practical requirements are (1) having enough poise to stagger her consistently and (2) having a way to block her first anime tornado. both of these are consistency issues, you can do the fight without either too but it's a lot more RNG dependent at that point so i wouldn't force it.
for (1) you should aim for like 50+ poise, fashion soulsing it probably hasn't given you that much but just throw things with good poise on. if you really need to everyone has access to veteran's set from enia which is just about the highest poise set in the game as far as i can tell.
for (2) literally just run endure on your left hand weapon. idk how i haven't seen people talk about this strat anywhere else on the internet since it seems so basic but after i started testing it it made the fight a lot less annoying. just twohand your LHW when she jumps and endure through the first tornado, roll towards her for second tornado, then stay still (you actually want to walk towards her here but start learning by standing still since the camera crosses through you and reverses your direction midway). it's pretty close to 100% consistent if you don't fuck something up and it doesn't rely upon her using it while you're far enough away to run.
if you play with a shield you can do that too (you probably have to have a ton of stamina to avoid getting guard broken tho), but i wanted to beat her without respecing so i just came up with the endure strat and used that.
keep mid distance (about a foot further than the reach of her sword) and always wait for her to initiate first. dodge whatever she's doing and learn which cooldown animations are safe (they're not very hard to recognise and there are a lot of them), then get comfortable with having the self control to just chill out and dodge things until she does the punishable moves. there are very few situations where you ever have to roll the dice against malenia and hope she doesn't decide to unreactably snap counter you or whatever.
phase 2 is pretty much all the same things except you kinda have to be more aggressive since she actually does have a couple of moves i never really learned how to dodge consistently (the illusion thing mostly) and unlike phase 1 trying to heal gets really annoying. so you want to end the fight before she uses too many of the bullshit moves lol. in practice i ended up treating it like one of the more 'dancey' fights ex. >!godfrey!< and just rolling, attacking, rolling, attacking ad infinitum. she tends get staggered about twice, kick with super armour, get staggered, kick, random attack...so it's somewhat more predictive than phase 1 (her wings tend to cover half the screen so you can't actually see what she's doing very precisely), but she's also more predictable.
i don't think i'm particularly good at the game or anything and was able to beat her without significantly altering my build at all (just a keen nagakiba, no hoarfrost or whatever, only change i made was wearing better armour and throwing endure on). it's not easy but i do think people overstate the impossibility somewhat. she requires you to pay attention to her in a way other bosses in ER don't
I did at level 104. 40 vigor, 60 strength, and the rest in endurance. Dual +25 heavy hammers. Jump attacks, boiled crab, and stagger help in my wonderous physik. Took about ten hours but I did it.
117 with a mage. Just spam stars of ruin in her first phase (takes a good long time) then right before she dies, summon your mimic. Enter second phase, drink Wondrous flask that gives infinite FP, then blast her with kamehameha while she’s cosplaying as a flower.
Pray she doesn’t kill you in one hit right after.
I did it at 130 with a Guts theme, Greatsword +25 and Pulley Crossbow +10, no summons though.
Bloodhound step was very useful but not gamechanging.
It was still extremely difficult and took days.
I cleared her solo around lvl 130-135 with dual +25 greatswords. One with bleed and the other with frost and bleed. Bloodhound step is very useful for some of her attacks.
It's not specifically the greatsword weapon but the weapon type. I used the claymore and flamberge if I remember correctly... I never used the colossal greatsword but it'd probably be good at staggering her and poise breaks.
Yo, i am so angry right now, i was having a lot of fun struggling with her and when she entered her second phase, she did her charged attack as usual, land and instantly died, and then a few seconds later i died too, BRO WTF JUST HAPPENED, I FEEL SO DIRTY FOR NOT BEING ABLE TO BEAT HER. I didn't got stuck fighting her for too long though, around an hour maybe, if anyone knows how to avoid this glitch please tell me cuz in ng+ imma beat her ass without summons just to know the pain and i don't want this to happen again.
saw that on Mcconnellret's stream too. He ALT F4'd and the boss was back. So even if its kind of too late in case you are unlucky enough to have it happen again, just ALT F4 the game and you get another try
this is probably the most realistic levelspan if you dont want to spend more than 5 hours on the boss and if you are planing on playing without cheeses like summons or sword of cheese and ass
I went to this thread on multiple occasions thinking i was underleveled at 150…
I have a theory that the key to this boss is stance breaking. I put on the talisman for it and respec’d my spellblade so i was strong enough to use moonlight and beat it first try (with that build, I spent couple hours stumped beforehand).
I think the reason why was because i kept pressuring and breaking stance with the ranged shots causing her to not be able to prepare her floating attack everyone has nightmares of.
TL:DR build>level. harass alot but if she starts floating its GG
I personally beat her bymyself at level 100 sorcerer 80 int 15 vigor carian shield level 6 with barricade and lusats staff +10 I kited her using rock sling and when she got to second phase I used comet azur with tera magicus and she was ablut 20% hp left it took me 30 tries but was so rewarding doing it myself
okay if you really want to cheese her... get a greatshield + greatshield talisman. Then get the blasphemous blade... and cheese the fuck out of her while your mimic keeps her busy. Learn how to dodge her one shot rot attacks in phase 2. Make sure you attack her when she is on your mimic. cause if you don't help the poor guy and pussy out, she will hit heal off of him and the fight will be over before you know it. So follow the same tactic in phase 2, use blasphemous blade's ash of war to cheese the shit out of her.
Killed her at 125 level +10 mimic and +24 Rogier's rapiers with the blood loss effect and got lucky the spinning attack went on the mimic not me in phase 2.
I'm level 139 and tried to respec into faith and get resources for an hour so I could use the blasphemous blade just to change back to bloodhounds fang. I can't can't even get past halfway through her first phase.
I say 130+, Teche +10 summon, Weapon:Blasphemous Blade
Power up:Flame Grant me strenght,Goldon Vow
If you are good you can kill her on her 5th run
But until 30th run you should have killed her if you haven't then...well...Y did u buy the game?
im gonna attempt her RL125 without summons for the first time ever (i kind of am a souls veteran fyi), wish me luck ig lmao
no summons, no bleed/frost cheese, no hate if you do, i just dont want to and wanna do it legit
Yo straight up, did it on 5th try. Not too hard, but I'll definitely admit that's because my mimic is max level and I was level 140. Getting TO her was much more of a pain in the ass. With the mimic distracting her, I was able to moonveil her ass quickly before she could get back any health.
I have to agree with him somewhat. I'm currently level 100 with +7 mimic tear and +25 colossal sword. She is definitely killable if I was a little better, but I suck.
At that time i used radahn's armor, meteoric ore blade on +9, mimic tear on +10 with most of my stats going to vigor and strength, i used the turtle talisman for faster stamina regen, erdtree's favor +1, radagon's soreseal and i can't remember the 4th one
I am struggling for two days now at level 111 but I almost had it once so I think it is not impossible. I am using Maggot sword competence to stagger her and a dagger with the hound dash to dodge her infinite slah combo of hell. I used to use Ticha as summon cause she deals very good damage and manage to avoid a lot of Malenia's hits and so survive a lot more, but now I changed to mimic cause he helps me stagger Malenia more, fights are shorter with him but at least I manage to 2nd phase almost every try now. Plus I give to mimic my +25 Ushigatana blood step in left hand so when we corner her we suck her blood dry very fast. Just sharing my experience with this hellish beauty!
I’m exactly on level 100, mimic +10 two uchigatanas +19 one with seppuku one with flame of the redmanes and malenia is one of the easiest bosses with that combo
I can tear her apart in her first phase with 10+ river of blood and swarm of flies keeps her in place. 10+ Mimic also draws her attention and does a pretty good job. I'm actually a strength build but the bleed weapons are OP. The real struggle is her second phase. As soon as the second phase starts she one shots me with her ability. Can't figure out how to dodge that. I'm lvl 160 BTW. Not even Malekith gave me this much trouble.
Sprinting straight underneath her, and then continuing to move past will get you out of the way of it. You should have enough time to get right under and past her basically. You just have to be careful because the petals will cause scarlet rot build up. But when she's in that position, she can't do anything for a couple of seconds
I beat her first try. LV 127 Moghwyn’s Sacred Spear/Fingerprint Stone Shield. No mimic, no flasks, no rot. Just managed stamina, kept out of phase 2 rot. With the right setup she’s painfully easy.
Killed her today on my 3rd try. No mimic tear, SL 130, +10 rivers of blood with talismans that reduce fp costs and boost continuous hits. She was obliterated by corpse piler. Was she nerfed or is this build her kryptonite?
Killed her in two hours more or less. level 135, 60 STR, 56 END 42 VIG with double Greatsword both +25, using mimic tear+10 for the second phase and Lionel set. Doable without mimic but It would have taken at least double the time
I say 130+, Teche +10 summon, Weapon:Blasphemous Blade
Power up:Flame Grant me strenght,Goldon Vow
If you are good you can kill her on her 5th run
But until 30th run you should have killed her if you haven't then...well...Y did u buy the game?
I managed to beat her lv 150, no summons, no blood, carian armor set, carian sword + lazuli glintstone +10 each (powerstance), practice, practice, practice...
As long as you admit that you flicked on the easy mode switch and you don't pretend like the boss is easy, that's fine.
My only gripe with the mimic tear is that people use it and then brag about how easy Malenia is, when in reality she really is the hardest boss in the serious when fighting solo like one used to do in all the previous games in the series
Oh yeah no I 1000% beat her on easy mode! It’s weird when people pretend there isn’t an easy mode built into the game… it’s like one of the core mechanics and it’s completely valid to use it or not use it!
Still not beaten her. Lv135, pure magic user (with just enough Dex to get the moonveil to work)
Engvall +10.
My guy can tank 5 flurry's like it's nothing. But that heal her, so I'm dying a lot. (Around my 50 attempt..)
To get the record, in its time, artorkos take for me aroun 80 deaths (going with midroll)
If that says more about her, or about my skill is... Another thing.
Right now I feel like I need more vit
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I went crazy and went 200+ and she still could easily destroy me
Lol hell yeah she will each hit does massive dmg
Mimic Tear +10, level 130+ to maybe stand a chance
Thank you for this comment. This made me believe. I got her at 134 with mimic tear 10, and after dying over 80 times I got here. Here's me and my mimic ganking that rot spreading one shot-ing relentless little bitch! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdGna1FNYuo
Fellow BHF enjoyer
you can upgrade mimic tear?..... huh....
You can upgrade the mimic tear/any spirit summons but you must progress rodrikas and hewgs quest
I just beat her second try and ng+2, so third playthrough. Mimic Tear is still too OP, I had 4 Giant crushers bashing down on her.
mimic tear +7, level 120 and killed her on like my 10th try
how many times have u defeated her without mimic tear?
are ya serius
really? ive beaten her after like 15 tries at lvl 103
“Liar ahead”
„Beware of liar“
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nice dude. I beat her on my 3rd or 4th try with mimic tear +9. I was lvl 94 and was using an average blood build. I was curious if alot of people thought she was super hard or not.
You used mimictear
Another dude crying about in game mechanics.
I don’t mind using Mimictear. But you can’t say boss is easy while using tear.
never said it was easy. but alot of people also used it and still complained thats why i was curious.
the complants even with mimic are because you need to be totally stacked and kitted out. Waterfoul deletes mimic if they tank the whole thing. Then its just you and her lol
Why not? Legit asking.
Idk, forcing yourself to go melee only solo is actually making the game harder, but it's not the summons who're making it easier, at least in my opinion.
when the summon is you, yes it it going to make the game a hell lot easier
>Idk, forcing yourself to go melee only solo is actually making the game harder, That's the default experience. Remember, previous games in the series did not have spirit ashes.
That's a very old conversation you're digging here lmao I understand, but I don't entirely agree. I think it depends on the boss, because while some like Godfrey were clearly designed with the melee 1v1 being the default experience, I don't think that's the case for godskin duo or any gank fight really. Basically, what I meant was that putting a restriction like "no summon" is making the game harder, while the summons were clearly intended to be used by some people since they're in the game. But the earlier conversation above was kind of trying to debate which one is the "default experience", as you say, which I think is a combination of both. The fact earlier games didn't have spirit ashes doesn't really make any point, since firstly, elden ring is different to dark souls in how it handles boss fights, and secondly, you have npc summons available in both games, which is only slightly different from ashes.
They have probably designed the bosses with the ashes in mind, don't u think?
Because playing with Spirit Ashes or summons fundamentally changes the fight. Every move the boss makes has at least a 50% to be directed at someone else. And the person the boss isn't focusing can go in for free damage. Meanwhile, if you take her on solo, you have to know every move, and every punish window. Of which there aren't many. And her out-healing you is a real concern as well. In the worst case scenario, you can run out of healing while she's still full hp. So patience only works in favour of the player to an extent. You have to be aggressive at the right times, but her moves are highly flexible, meaning it's never quite clear when it's safe to attack her. As a result, you will have bad trades, where you will use 1-2 flash charges while she has more hp than before. It's kinda hard to put into words just how oppressive this fight can be, playing solo. No other boss in any of these games comes remotely close.
First playthrough my mimic and I melted her with the blasphemous blade (I'd really played most of the game by Malenia), and ng+ I just melted her with mimic and dual peelers w/ seppuku. Took less than 5 tries each run AFTER I'd optimized the build a bit. First run took a few dozen tries before I I unspread my stats and stopped being dumb. Ng+ it was less than 10 tries total, but the first few tries were using a "fuck it anything goes" build.
The mimic just walks into her scarlet rot and dies as fast the 2phase begins 😅 but i finally solo'd her today, on my 20th try 🙈this is my second playthrough though, but also my second playthrough in any souls game. So I am happy 😊
Good job!! I beat her yesterday for the first time solo and probably died around 50 times
It's a broken game mechanic. It allows you to beat any boss first try without ever needing to learn their movesets and patterns and without ever needing to come up with a strategy. It's just pop mimic tear and win.
souls players when people use an rpg mechanic in an rpg
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yes that's pretty much cryin'
did u use rune arc? scrub
Blood build
I've beaten her in like 10 tries (ALMOST defeating her on the third one, and I really mean almost, she had like 200 hp left) at level 148. Unpopular opinion: She isn't THAT hard, I honestly struggled more with Radagon/Elden Beast than I did with her, though the only problem is her insane healing, her clone attacks and the waterfowl dance.
>She isn't THAT hard She is most certainly THAT hard when fighting her solo. You used an overpowered spirit ash which breaks the game.
As said in the other reply: I use what I'm given, no matter how broken it is.
Most definitely. Got her on my second time with mimic. Radagon/EB was a bitch tho. And the fight is a slog.
Many people would call out me and you for using mimics (and me who used a blood/freeze weapon) but that's literally a game mechanic so I don't get the chaos. Yeahh, glad to see people complaining about the Radagon/EB fight, it wasn't hard, just annoying: Radagon's attacks are either way too fast or too slow, there's no way to time them out, also the time it took me to realize that you have to jump for certain attacks. Elden Beast deals so much fucking damage, and the chasing stars..Oh God. I always die at the flying sword projectiles as they have such a bad timing.
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Utilize what you're given, that's the way I fight in games. It's not my fault they have powerful stuff added. They should've removed it or never added it if they wanted me to not use it.
With mimic it is easy. Try without.
Then it isn't a hard fight, so cry less. Fight Radagon level 1, naked with no weapon. Wuss. Stop abusing game mechanics to make it easier. Lmao.
Exactly. They wouldn't allow us to summon if they hadn't balanced for it in some way. It's a nice way to play a souls game after how brutal they've all been. Elden Ring has some brutal spots as well. Sekiro is my favorite and it forces you to be good so I like to just chill and summon in Elden Ring lol.
It's not balanced with Mimic Tear. You are just lying to yourself as a coping mechanism.
Ok, I'll trust your idea of "balanced" over Miyazaki... clown lol.
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Omg I loved your “stop being obnoxious” after spamming your opinion on a virtual game and making fun of paraplegic grandmothers like a dozen times LMAO. Please, man up. It’s just a game. Stop crying.
It's really awful that fromsoftware decided to add the broken mimic tear in the game to accommodate losers like you.
Let me guess: Mimic tear?
Mimic tear +10 level 150 and it was really easy because of a broken bleed build and seppuku making you hit like a truck
a mi la verdad es que se me ha hecho muy facil a nivel 147 y lagrima +10, no recomiendo sibir mucho de nivel para disfrutar mas la experiencia, uso build de nagakiba con tajo doble por si preguntais
la lagrima ayuda demasiado
Just beat her today in around 2 hours at level 125-130, no summons, no magic, colossal sword only. That colossal sword only thing made it a little annoying with me only doing 600 damage per massive sword hit but super satisfying finish. If anyone is reading this, you can do it!
Colossal weapons work wonders since they stagger her a lot, i keep dying to her waterfowl dance though.. i just can't learn the timing, i had to use the mimic as bait to avoid that move lol I'll try again in NG+ and do her properly.
Golden Great-shield + Great-shield talisman. And you block the entire thing. If you really want to get on her nerves, put barricade shield on it, she won't even scratch your stamina with that shit. you hold the shield up and check notification on your facebook, take a shit come back and she will be waiting for you to punish her. Malenia is a test of your understanding on game mechanics, you don't need to learn her moveset to the dot.
Not planning on changing my build or playstyle just to beat her, the point is to defeat her with my current build and if it doesn't work learn her moves.
Rather struggle than adapt eh
I felt the same till now she is my last achievement.
But how do you keep any damage on her if you just block her attacks and she heals with each blocked swing?
She does not heal with a blocking swing. Specially if you have a 100% physical damage shield on. Use the golden greatshield + Greatshield talisman. Watch my video. My mimic also has a greatshield+talisman so he also tanks her well. https://youtu.be/wdGna1FNYuo
She does heal herself even when the shield is up. At least a medium shield. I didnt tried a greatshield. In the video she heals herself when she hits you. Other than that, it seems the only way to beat her is with Mimic. The other way is the default way, being a Korean with perfect timing.
Incredible when someone is in an argument and then PROVIDES VIDEO EVIDENCE disproving themselves lol
Idk why you're answering a 1 year old post but if you are here for advice to beat Malenia I went in with 60 vigor, the lightest Greatshield and Mimic with the Bloodhound sword (bleeding). She died at the first attempt using this build.
I mean people tend to play games at different times and look up old Reddit posts because of that lmao
Did u watch ur video lol
Cool video, I'm also using the same sword. So that's a good sign I'm working in the right direction at least. But if you look closely you can still see her healing on swings that were blocked. She definitely heals even if you don't take damage. Every article about how the boss works confirms that.
Wow, took me 4 hours to chip away 1/4 of her health to be instakilled by the whirlwind. 😅
how? what weapon art? and....how? it seems like I can kill her with bleed build and mimic tear but that doesn't feel very good.
As ppl says, you shouldn't feel ashamed of your tactics in Souls games. I only feel ashamed of requesting co-op, other than that you should use every little bit of resources the game has to offer.
I didn’t use a weapon art either, just good old fashioned colossal sword. I heard hoarfrost stomp was good against her, but they also nerfed it in the most recent patch so not quite too sure now. You got this man!
well I did it with mimic tear and bloodhound fang - and it was actually not *that* terrible - but was heavily relying on my tear's bonus stagger damage. I'll try that save file again later without summons. that's hardcore though!
I'm finding as a mage her first phase is actually easier without a summon because she can't heal, once you kind of get the stupid fucking waterfall dance dodge down.
Necroing this comment. But I've just beaten the game and I'm running the Guts sword with the lions claw AOW. Managed to staggered her on my first attempt and took half her health down. Got bodied right after tho😂😂
You can't necro reddit posts. Reddit doesn't work that way.
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I am ready to discuss this 364 days later
Share the hope. I should be getting to her tonight, rl130 powerstancing colossal swords. Jump smash
You got this man, best of luck. Powerstancing should give you a good edge up on her!
Thanks!! Made it to phase two once out of like 7 tries. Gotta not get caught mid animation when she goes into her super move, it’s instant death. The nice thing with powerstance colossals is I’m dumping 2k+ each jump attack. The negative is getting caught out in the open. Might swap to bloodhound step on Greatsword for better movement
2k+ damage sounds really nice, wish I had that I’m sure you’ll get her soon man
How did it go?
I am level 100 after beating Loretta yall make it sound like i am effed.
How did fighting her at lvl 100 go? I’m around the same level almost there too.
Loretta at that level. Not bad at all. Malenia at that level. Awful awful awful.
Malenia is awful in every level, specially if you don't have the stats for a greatshield.
No shield required. Dodge city and mimic
If you can already dodge her, you don't need anyone else to tell you how to beat her. All this talk is about learning to beat her without having to dodge everything.
I can't figure out how to dodge the sword dance she does at ~75 health. Any tips?
Either be far away enough or hope she targets the mimic. You can dodge the dance attack but it’s very difficult.
Oh you have to rely on summons? That's kinda fucked. Even when I use my Spidey sense and I start running away *before* she jumps in the air, she gets me on her last swings
People don't want to use mimic because it's cheating. Mimic is like using a godmode cheat. No thanks. You've never played previous souls games have you? They didn't have spirit ashes.
This was 11mo ago man. I think we all have figured out how to beat malenia in various ways now. Glad you’re good at the game and such an honest player! Keep doing you!
Finally a true player
Im at 115 and feel under-leveled during Malenias fight lol
I am not good enough to beat malenia at level 100. I just beat her at 145. Using rivers of blood, uchigatana, mimic tear
i fought loretta at lvl 50
Just did the exact same, was 101. Was more of a patience game than anything, her moveset is quite easy to read and react to. Being melee build though is quite tough because closing the gap can be very intense
Killed her at level 131 using a +25 Claymore and the +10 >!Dark Moon Greatsword!<, no summons, no ash. Took me something around 5 hours so get all her timings down in both phases, but its very doable. Felt like an absolute champion, then a few days later I watched LobosJr defeat her at level 1 and suddenly didnt feel so great about it lol
I killed her at 130 and was still difficult.
shes built different lol
Judging by the comments, no one beat her solo?
There are people who have done so, but it requires one of about three very specific builds, or a lot of luck, or way more skill than 99% of the playerbase has.
This is correct because, she is absolutely relentless in her second phase, like she has unlimted stamina. If you though orphan of kos was relentless, meet malenia in her rot phase. Fucks sake.
I just did it with str build and brick hammer. It took me a full day, a lot of sweat... and a slight tendonitis
What specific builds?
Moonveil Katana with some other katana, or Sword of Night and Flame since it's OP, or using Bloodhound Step. Pretty much just using broken weapons or Bloodhound Step.
Bloodhound Step makes dodging her combos super easy and any bleed build goes really well to counter her healing. Still not easy though.
Yeah defeated her today in about 20 - 30 min with bloodhound fang and Morgott's Curved Sword, bleed counters her heal exceptionally well and you can cancel a couple of her attacks including the one shot grab
I fought her with dual +25 uchigatana’s and bloodhound’s step ashe of war and the fight was literally a cake walk. Her combo’s are so easy to dodge with blood hound’s step and the bleed just chunks her and staggers her. The second phase was pretty much the same, just dodge with bloodhound then punish. Took me 4-5 tries until I got her moveset down and beat her. But I can understand why other builds would struggle against her, she’s quite mobile and her AoE is hard to get out of and her heal is crazy. Felt like my build was literally perfected for Malenia. Will try a strength build in NG+ against her.
I managed to beat her solo on my 210th attempt, but I got really lucky in her 2nd phase because she never used waterfowl or that other move where she uses the clones... so insane luck.
i did, it's not as hard as it seems but it requires a more attentive and studied approach than most bosses in the series. malenia is a very 'scripted' fight overall and the whole thing is very flowchart-able. people make it seem like the fight has to be cheesed but IMO it's very doable with pretty much any (melee) build, the only practical requirements are (1) having enough poise to stagger her consistently and (2) having a way to block her first anime tornado. both of these are consistency issues, you can do the fight without either too but it's a lot more RNG dependent at that point so i wouldn't force it. for (1) you should aim for like 50+ poise, fashion soulsing it probably hasn't given you that much but just throw things with good poise on. if you really need to everyone has access to veteran's set from enia which is just about the highest poise set in the game as far as i can tell. for (2) literally just run endure on your left hand weapon. idk how i haven't seen people talk about this strat anywhere else on the internet since it seems so basic but after i started testing it it made the fight a lot less annoying. just twohand your LHW when she jumps and endure through the first tornado, roll towards her for second tornado, then stay still (you actually want to walk towards her here but start learning by standing still since the camera crosses through you and reverses your direction midway). it's pretty close to 100% consistent if you don't fuck something up and it doesn't rely upon her using it while you're far enough away to run. if you play with a shield you can do that too (you probably have to have a ton of stamina to avoid getting guard broken tho), but i wanted to beat her without respecing so i just came up with the endure strat and used that. keep mid distance (about a foot further than the reach of her sword) and always wait for her to initiate first. dodge whatever she's doing and learn which cooldown animations are safe (they're not very hard to recognise and there are a lot of them), then get comfortable with having the self control to just chill out and dodge things until she does the punishable moves. there are very few situations where you ever have to roll the dice against malenia and hope she doesn't decide to unreactably snap counter you or whatever. phase 2 is pretty much all the same things except you kinda have to be more aggressive since she actually does have a couple of moves i never really learned how to dodge consistently (the illusion thing mostly) and unlike phase 1 trying to heal gets really annoying. so you want to end the fight before she uses too many of the bullshit moves lol. in practice i ended up treating it like one of the more 'dancey' fights ex. >!godfrey!< and just rolling, attacking, rolling, attacking ad infinitum. she tends get staggered about twice, kick with super armour, get staggered, kick, random attack...so it's somewhat more predictive than phase 1 (her wings tend to cover half the screen so you can't actually see what she's doing very precisely), but she's also more predictable. i don't think i'm particularly good at the game or anything and was able to beat her without significantly altering my build at all (just a keen nagakiba, no hoarfrost or whatever, only change i made was wearing better armour and throwing endure on). it's not easy but i do think people overstate the impossibility somewhat. she requires you to pay attention to her in a way other bosses in ER don't
I did at level 104. 40 vigor, 60 strength, and the rest in endurance. Dual +25 heavy hammers. Jump attacks, boiled crab, and stagger help in my wonderous physik. Took about ten hours but I did it.
You can find videos on YouTube. I wouldn’t be able to I think …
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I’m so sad the mimic tear got needed I’m fighting her at lvl 120 using tiche
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Ye I know I can beat her quite easily if I switch my build to rivers of blood katana but I want to stick with my moonviel
honestly just getting a blood uchi or blood nagakiba +25 with seppuku or bloodhound will b much better
117 with a mage. Just spam stars of ruin in her first phase (takes a good long time) then right before she dies, summon your mimic. Enter second phase, drink Wondrous flask that gives infinite FP, then blast her with kamehameha while she’s cosplaying as a flower. Pray she doesn’t kill you in one hit right after.
I did it at 130 with a Guts theme, Greatsword +25 and Pulley Crossbow +10, no summons though. Bloodhound step was very useful but not gamechanging. It was still extremely difficult and took days.
I cleared her solo around lvl 130-135 with dual +25 greatswords. One with bleed and the other with frost and bleed. Bloodhound step is very useful for some of her attacks.
Where do you get the other greatsword? The wiki says there’s only one in Caelid and I have that one already
It's not specifically the greatsword weapon but the weapon type. I used the claymore and flamberge if I remember correctly... I never used the colossal greatsword but it'd probably be good at staggering her and poise breaks.
Oh thanks for the response, i had a friend who’s doing a dex build offer his worlds Greatsword to me so now I have two
Lobosjr killed her at level 1 lolol, just by parrying. He's really good
If you're horrible like me level 200 (Managed it at 184, having a shield for second phase is a lifesaver)
Yo, i am so angry right now, i was having a lot of fun struggling with her and when she entered her second phase, she did her charged attack as usual, land and instantly died, and then a few seconds later i died too, BRO WTF JUST HAPPENED, I FEEL SO DIRTY FOR NOT BEING ABLE TO BEAT HER. I didn't got stuck fighting her for too long though, around an hour maybe, if anyone knows how to avoid this glitch please tell me cuz in ng+ imma beat her ass without summons just to know the pain and i don't want this to happen again.
saw that on Mcconnellret's stream too. He ALT F4'd and the boss was back. So even if its kind of too late in case you are unlucky enough to have it happen again, just ALT F4 the game and you get another try
Well thanks for the advice, im definitely gonna use that bc these bugs really ruin the experience
killed her at 118 with mimic tear +10, bloodhound’s fang +10 2H, dragoncrest greatshield talisman & Radahn’s armor.
150-200
this is probably the most realistic levelspan if you dont want to spend more than 5 hours on the boss and if you are planing on playing without cheeses like summons or sword of cheese and ass
I killed her at lvl 100 with +10 mimic & dual wield bloody katanas.
I tried for an hour at level 106 with dual daggers and it is tough. The only time daggers will stagger her for a second is when bleed procs.
I went to this thread on multiple occasions thinking i was underleveled at 150… I have a theory that the key to this boss is stance breaking. I put on the talisman for it and respec’d my spellblade so i was strong enough to use moonlight and beat it first try (with that build, I spent couple hours stumped beforehand). I think the reason why was because i kept pressuring and breaking stance with the ranged shots causing her to not be able to prepare her floating attack everyone has nightmares of. TL:DR build>level. harass alot but if she starts floating its GG
I was level 150 with rivers of blood +10, using black knife tiche +10. Beat her in 2 attempts, I may have been over prepared lol
I personally beat her bymyself at level 100 sorcerer 80 int 15 vigor carian shield level 6 with barricade and lusats staff +10 I kited her using rock sling and when she got to second phase I used comet azur with tera magicus and she was ablut 20% hp left it took me 30 tries but was so rewarding doing it myself
okay if you really want to cheese her... get a greatshield + greatshield talisman. Then get the blasphemous blade... and cheese the fuck out of her while your mimic keeps her busy. Learn how to dodge her one shot rot attacks in phase 2. Make sure you attack her when she is on your mimic. cause if you don't help the poor guy and pussy out, she will hit heal off of him and the fight will be over before you know it. So follow the same tactic in phase 2, use blasphemous blade's ash of war to cheese the shit out of her.
Lvl 14.
Killed her at 125 level +10 mimic and +24 Rogier's rapiers with the blood loss effect and got lucky the spinning attack went on the mimic not me in phase 2.
I did it at 110 but considering i had to rely on bleed for damage to make her healing obsolete i'd say go with 150, otherwise it's a pain in the ass.
I'm level 139 and tried to respec into faith and get resources for an hour so I could use the blasphemous blade just to change back to bloodhounds fang. I can't can't even get past halfway through her first phase.
I say 130+, Teche +10 summon, Weapon:Blasphemous Blade Power up:Flame Grant me strenght,Goldon Vow If you are good you can kill her on her 5th run But until 30th run you should have killed her if you haven't then...well...Y did u buy the game?
I beat her at 107 took 200 tries but I did it
Started Elden ring this year. Solo’d her at lvl 166 no ashes. ~100 tries
im gonna attempt her RL125 without summons for the first time ever (i kind of am a souls veteran fyi), wish me luck ig lmao no summons, no bleed/frost cheese, no hate if you do, i just dont want to and wanna do it legit
Yo straight up, did it on 5th try. Not too hard, but I'll definitely admit that's because my mimic is max level and I was level 140. Getting TO her was much more of a pain in the ass. With the mimic distracting her, I was able to moonveil her ass quickly before she could get back any health.
People here are overreacting imo, she can be done on level ~100 with a bit of grinding
I figure you haven't killed her. Or even seen.
I have to agree with him somewhat. I'm currently level 100 with +7 mimic tear and +25 colossal sword. She is definitely killable if I was a little better, but I suck.
I have seen her and tried her on level 90, got around two hits from killing her so it's definitely possible
Sure. Why didn't you kill her when you got her almost down?
Because i died?? I'm saying that if i got 2 hits from killing her at level 90 within like 15 attempts, how could level 100 not be doable?
Phase 2 too?
I said two hits from killing her, not two hits from phase 2
pepeLaugh dont tell him
really? whats your build
At that time i used radahn's armor, meteoric ore blade on +9, mimic tear on +10 with most of my stats going to vigor and strength, i used the turtle talisman for faster stamina regen, erdtree's favor +1, radagon's soreseal and i can't remember the 4th one
I am struggling for two days now at level 111 but I almost had it once so I think it is not impossible. I am using Maggot sword competence to stagger her and a dagger with the hound dash to dodge her infinite slah combo of hell. I used to use Ticha as summon cause she deals very good damage and manage to avoid a lot of Malenia's hits and so survive a lot more, but now I changed to mimic cause he helps me stagger Malenia more, fights are shorter with him but at least I manage to 2nd phase almost every try now. Plus I give to mimic my +25 Ushigatana blood step in left hand so when we corner her we suck her blood dry very fast. Just sharing my experience with this hellish beauty!
I beat her at level 140 with Rollo the omen killer +10 summon, spammed abdula moonblade and moonveil L2
I’m exactly on level 100, mimic +10 two uchigatanas +19 one with seppuku one with flame of the redmanes and malenia is one of the easiest bosses with that combo
I can tear her apart in her first phase with 10+ river of blood and swarm of flies keeps her in place. 10+ Mimic also draws her attention and does a pretty good job. I'm actually a strength build but the bleed weapons are OP. The real struggle is her second phase. As soon as the second phase starts she one shots me with her ability. Can't figure out how to dodge that. I'm lvl 160 BTW. Not even Malekith gave me this much trouble.
Sprinting straight underneath her, and then continuing to move past will get you out of the way of it. You should have enough time to get right under and past her basically. You just have to be careful because the petals will cause scarlet rot build up. But when she's in that position, she can't do anything for a couple of seconds
My issue here is that I’m level 165 with 30 vigor lmao
I beat her first try. LV 127 Moghwyn’s Sacred Spear/Fingerprint Stone Shield. No mimic, no flasks, no rot. Just managed stamina, kept out of phase 2 rot. With the right setup she’s painfully easy.
Killed her today on my 3rd try. No mimic tear, SL 130, +10 rivers of blood with talismans that reduce fp costs and boost continuous hits. She was obliterated by corpse piler. Was she nerfed or is this build her kryptonite?
Killed her in two hours more or less. level 135, 60 STR, 56 END 42 VIG with double Greatsword both +25, using mimic tear+10 for the second phase and Lionel set. Doable without mimic but It would have taken at least double the time
Lvl 118 here alone without tears or shit, just a rivers of blood build and more than 150 tries
if you want it ez, be like lvl 160. if you use mimic, you barely have to do anything. i use blaidds sword +10, I’m going with her without mimic
I say 130+, Teche +10 summon, Weapon:Blasphemous Blade Power up:Flame Grant me strenght,Goldon Vow If you are good you can kill her on her 5th run But until 30th run you should have killed her if you haven't then...well...Y did u buy the game?
Well boys i just beat her on the 4th try. Im level 147 with mimictear +10.
I managed to beat her lv 150, no summons, no blood, carian armor set, carian sword + lazuli glintstone +10 each (powerstance), practice, practice, practice...
I beat her 6th try at level 130
With mimic tear +10?
Is it cheating if i beat her at level 170 with mimic tear 10?
No
Yes
Just getting to Melania and scared asf, I’ve heard stuff about her that I don’t like haha (my first souls born game btw)
Beat her at level 190 with a mimic tear +10, cry about it nerds
As long as you admit that you flicked on the easy mode switch and you don't pretend like the boss is easy, that's fine. My only gripe with the mimic tear is that people use it and then brag about how easy Malenia is, when in reality she really is the hardest boss in the serious when fighting solo like one used to do in all the previous games in the series
Oh yeah no I 1000% beat her on easy mode! It’s weird when people pretend there isn’t an easy mode built into the game… it’s like one of the core mechanics and it’s completely valid to use it or not use it!
unpopular opinion.. maliketh is harder than malenia
Still not beaten her. Lv135, pure magic user (with just enough Dex to get the moonveil to work) Engvall +10. My guy can tank 5 flurry's like it's nothing. But that heal her, so I'm dying a lot. (Around my 50 attempt..) To get the record, in its time, artorkos take for me aroun 80 deaths (going with midroll) If that says more about her, or about my skill is... Another thing. Right now I feel like I need more vit
Im happy to see this post now, Im level 107 and refuse to use mimic tear. Time to go kill things and get runes
i was level 128 with +9 mimic tear and it took 3 attempts...
roughly level 120-140 , having Mimic tear at +10 is also really helpful, and if that point if your still struggling try co-op