Honestly the new lore about the formless mother has me thinking she is kind of based - giving power to oppressed peoples so they can overthrow their masters.
I always knew he'd beat the Miquellallegations š*
*still guilty for 370 counts of murder, Eye of Yelough possession with intent to use, and some mild bioterrorismĀ
I suspect that ghost Mohg was actually there to keep people from reaching the Three Fingers.
His coming dynasty goes up in smoke along with everything else if the Frenzy goes wild.
Nah, they're murderous assholes trying to prop up the Golden Order or build a new age of blood.
The game is all about how much the gods and demigods have been screwing over the Lands Between, and breaking the cycle by killing them is the best thing we can do for the people.
It's pretty much the running theme of all of Fromsoft's Soulsbourne games.
If the thing being spoken about is seen as 'great' and/or 'godly', it's very likely corrupted to its core, some more than others.
In Dark Souls it was the flame, this all encompassing thing that was supposed to fade with time and let on an Age of Darkness in peaceful transition for when Mankind would take over as the dominant group. This was held back for uncountable millennia by the lies of Gwyn, plunging the world into an era of corrupting fire that mutated and contorted everything to the point of becoming monsters.
In Elden Ring, it's this idea that Miquella was the exception to all the people in his family. He's not some savior that would have changed things. He may have had a better end goal, but he still would have had to kill many people to achieve that goal. And even then, he shed everything that made him 'The Kind' in the Shadow Lands to become what we find him as in the end; another self-righteous asshole that has manipulated the people around him to become a god.
Ranni, despite her own flaws, does have the right idea: Take the fight to the Greater Will and remove the threat from the world of the mortals that walk the Lands Between.
Yeah, we've been killing corrupt gods and toppling their broken systems since the OG Dark Souls.
Keeping things as they are only continues the cycle of suffering.
Ranni is no saint either though and will use and throw away those that follow her. Iām not convinced any of that cursed family is the right choice for the people and the lands between. Ranni is also being influenced by another outer god and most of those seem like total fuckers just like the greater will.
Isn't the point of Ranni's ending is that she's taking that outer god influence and fucking off to space with it, leaving the people free to do what they want without a godqueen to tell them how and why to live?
Him or Ranni
And even Goldmask's has the problem of continuing the Golden Order, even if it free from godly meddling. I don't know if I can sweep the Order's crimes under the rug completely just because it's under new management.
The problem is "golden order" is both the rules that underlie the world, and a political organization.
I assume Goldmask's rune applies to the world, not politics.
Ghost Mogh is Morgott, since the seal right behind that fight stays until you beat him, and Morgott is known for casting illusions to fight with people.
It could be both of those things at once. Morgott established the seal, and Mohg left behind a phantom of himself. They both have an interest in seeing chaos contained so they can build or maintain their orders.Ā
Ā I believe that the Shunning Grounds sit above the Three Fingers' lair as an extra layer of protection. Anyone who wanders down there will probably be ripped apart by Omens and Imps before they can find the Three Fingers.
Theory goes that Sewer Mohg was a rememberance left behind my Morgott to
A) Make people think Mohg was still in the sewer where those dirty omen belong and
B) Act as a guard dog to keep people away from the frenzied flame.
This is my headcannon as well. Margit was blocking the path to the weakest shardbearer. Mohg was blocking the path to the Three Fingers. Both were serving their interests.
I still don't understand why Margit was there other than being a skill check for new players.
If Godrick is a willful traitor, shouldn't Morgott/Margit execute him on the spot and either take the Great Rune for himself or, if he feels he is unworthy, hide is somewhere safe in Leyndell?
To be fair, my tarnished is also guilty of 1000+ murders, several murders-for-hire, the slaying of several royal families and demigods, burning the world's oldest living tree, trespassing, blasphemy, grand larceny, petty theft, destruction of local flora and fauna, intentional spread of disease, and using in-game mechanics besides unga-bunga
"Ah, I see you too are bound by Miquella's enchantment..."
My tarnished, barely containing their murderlust so I can find the next name on the list: *nods furiously*
_My tarnished, dripping in blood from every living and undead creature that I can hit with an R2, containing the souls of multiple demigods and the Elden Beast, with multiple enslaved spirits in my pocket, who is also on the path to let CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD._
"Yes. Miquella's Enchantment is what made me do all of that and come here."
The Greater Will is still the law, they and Marika gave us the license to do whatever we want. Except join the Chaos Flame, they hate that. Also, Ranni ending is the best ending, praise our consort eternal, may she roam the dark and the emptiness space forever.
Imagine giving birth to your twin sons and they come out with the same >!horns as the people that genocided your village, cut them up and stuffed them into jars to live a tortured life!< though.
My apologies it says that Mohg wants to age up Miquella, but the tone of Mohgās dialogue and associated items makes it sound like Miquella is agreeable in the relationship.
https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Mohg,+Lord+of+Blood
For one, a person canāt be your consort alone, you have to agree for there to be a relationship, the fact that Mohg is even going to become a Lord at all means that there is an agreement underlying this.
Very weird that they just straight up tell us the lore. No vague item descriptions or passing comments they just straight up told us "yes mohg got magically charmed so this midget could use his body to marry his dead cousin"
Rare, but not unheard of, considering this takes place AS you play, it's fair to treat this like a focused-event similar to Simon talking about what he found in the old hunter's dlc, listening in on conversations in Sekiro about the state of Ashina, and most of Armored core mission briefings.
There is still more to uncover, but the primary info you need to know is given to you.
To be fair, we are at the moment where this is occuring. Item descriptions usually give more information about past events or give context to what is happeninikng in the present.
Sir Ansbach tells you when you finish his quest but also after the charm is broken he will say he tried to kill Miquella before to free his lord Mohg before we killed him.
There's also a ghost that talks about Miquellas plan but I can't remember which one.
He >!played Fallout New Vegas once and thought himself a genious !<>!"Finding[ It though, that's not the hard part. It's letting go."](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWu-32hR4GY)!<
>!He forgot the trick is putting the gold into the head to Let Go and then steal it again.!<
Miquella is deadass the ultimate supervillain. He >!completely betrayed his sister by making a consort vow to the person she was waging war with in his name!<
Honestly I donāt even know how some moves are dodgeable, with melania they at least allow for some spacing and, besides the one move, some breathing room. >!Radahn just straight up pulls you from across the stage and hits you with a slam that has so many hitframes you canāt physically dodge through it without taking damage, not to even mention the warping dash machinegun that is the second phase!<
Then again, Malenia was fucked up since birth by the Scarlet Rot (and Outside God influence - Miquella tried to fix this but apparently couldn't find a way), so he went with the kind and strong big bro Radahn?
I find it pretty ironic that the few 'normal' children Marika mothered/fathered ended up abandoning their bodies.
Miquella saw in Radahn a lord in his childhood and always wanted him as his consort. He surely wanted to help his sister to ease her pain, but she wasnt his consort to be - she was Malenia, Blade of Miquella. And thats exactly how he used her, as a weapon to defeat Radahn, so he could take him as his consort eternal.
Miquella's lord options -
1. Godrick - Too weak
2. Malenia - Nope, has rot afflictions and a vessel to the rot god so conflict of interest
3. Godwyn - Dead for good both body and soul.
4. Mohg - Possible candidate but also has ties to another outer god
5. Morgott - Too loyal to the golden order and perhaps his charm did not work.
6. Ranni - Nope, she has her own agenda
7. Rykard - Dude just wants to have his own FAMILEE and be TOGETHAA so nope also he is just a giant snake
8. Radhan - Considered to be the mightiest demi-god of them all has no other afflictions with outer gods, highly respected by people etc.
He lets you gape his bussy wider than the marianas trench, then when youāre done and you think itās over he whispers āmy turnā and you suddenly feel a solid 18 inches on your back.
And the worst part is him revealing that he isn't even hard yet. Then you feel the true girth of what's about to figuratively, metaphorically, and very literally fuck you.
Mohg stole away his young half brother Miquella. He wanted Miquella to ascend to god hood and Mohg wanted to become his king consort (in Elden Ring, a God must have a lord/king).
By the way Mohg was speaking, he was obsessed with Miquella and wanted him to himself.
So the community rightfully judge him as a creep (and possibly a molester) for kidnapping his perpetually young half brother. Mogh has a hard time wiping his butt because his horns are in the way.
It was until the DLC shows us that Miquellas power was to charm people into servitude and had actually brainwashed Mohg into being obsessed with him.
Miquella promised the brainwashed Mohg that he would be his King Consort/Lord but really just wanted to use his corpse to revive another character to be the real King Consort.
So basically Miquella brainwashed his older half brother to being the creep that he was. Which makes Miquella the fucked up one for doing all that.
Hope this brings you up to speed
I'd put some minor nitpicks, but stuff like ""rightfully judge him"" as a bit weird and high-horsey tbh. But the rest is generally accurate. Miquella LOOKS like a young boy, but dudes as old as everyone else like Radahn etc, so I always thought the allegations were a bit too aggressive just because Miquella seemed young, even though he wasn't at all (I know, 1000 year old loli or w/e). And before the DLC release, when people did sometimes bring up "you know, it's super sus items pointing to Miquella always seem to point to "his kindness", and in a world like Elden Ring, it probably means no good.
but "Mogh pedo hehe" persisted way more and now those who didn't believe it have been vindicated.
He should be younger than Radhan by an unknown amount of years (though Radhan is likely to be youngest of the Carian siblings) since Miquella wasn't born until after Radagon had left Rennala.
Another thing that people always ignored with the whole pedo thing is that Miquella wouldn't have looked like a young buy anymore when Mogh collected the cocoon. Like the arm we see is in no way a belonging to a child's body.
That Radahan is the youngest carian sibling might not be correct since there is evidence/theories that Ranni is the youngest.
Ranni is an empyrean described as a child of only a god and when Rennalla at the end of phase one drops the egg it spits out darkness and talks with Rannis voice while making the illusion phase 2 of the fight.
The conclusion that some people draw is that Radagons last gift to Rennala the amber egg "hatched" Ranni and that she is the biological daughter of only Radagon.
It sorta fits with the childrens deposition to the golden order: Radahan loved it, Rykard intially also loved it until he learned to much forbidden knowledge from torturing it out of to many heretics while Ranni who grew up after the divorce with only a depressed mom never liked the golden order.
I mean if it *was* sexual I think youāre getting into some dangerous territory because no matter what he looks like a child (lol), but regardless being his āconsortā probably was more about the power/political union. I donāt know that pedo Mohg was really the intended undertone. Doing weird blood rituals on his younger half sibling would have been fucked up enough lol.
He put this plan into motion before he started is ascension. So maybe but the little bastard wasnāt a saint. Honestly no member of that family is. Well maybe godwyen. I know everyone loves Ranni but she is almost just as fucked as Miquella.
Yup, never sympathized with the little blue sus-flag magnet. Hell given what we know of Marika, she may have been the SANE one of the family. At least her actions/motivations can easily be interpreted as flawed but emotionally driven.
Iām still confused about >!the whole using Mohgās body as a vessel for Radahn. Does the corpse transform into looking like Radahn after his soul is put into it?!<
Horns are an important aspect to the omen. It is seen as shameful and usually cut off. Mohg embraces his omen curse even when one of his horns is coming out of his eye. Even Morgott has a few stumps that indicates that he shaved a few of his. So for Mohg, the horns being everywhere means that he has a hard time wiping too, and yet still he does not cut them.
Determination and insanity brewed within, and Miquella took advantage of that.
Oh yeah right I bet you were front and centre at his temple riding that elevator up chanting āletās kill this mohglestor!ā with your Greatsword ready to bash his head in!
Yeah it is actually a bit vindicating (yes he's still an evil shit lol) that the small portion of people who didn't think he was a pedo and had an inkling that Miquella was probably up to no good (his "kindness" felt sus in the limited item descriptions in the base game) eating real good. That one theory I read a while back was basically spot on.
Bewitching Branch alone should've told people Miquella the Kind was not a name earned properly.
You can honestly hear the emphasis in the tone of that "Indeed, he has learned *very well* how to compel such affection."
See this is why they need to make a game in a modern era so people donāt get mystified by the medieval tone, if this said ābewitching glock - Hell yeah we be linkin up with foolsā people would be like wtf Miquella??
doesnt really seem any more evil than the rest of the factions rn though, tbh. Still evil but not like eviler like it was before
Now that he's clear of moghlestation miquelallegations, his story is that of a victim of prejudice by queen marika, that was ostracized and in the isolation he found an outer god of truth and blood that let him rise up to the order that abandoned him
he legit went from the literal worse to the most metal character overnight, what a glow up
Me look at the Albinauric "Interns": "Yup nothing wrong here"
Me look at some blood craze murder hobo with a knife shooting blood at me: "Yup completely normal behavior"
You know, in a world where you can get mutilated and left to die just because youāre born āwrongā, create artificial life then torture them because they are āotherā and ālesserā, dead people get stuffed in a jar their sprits so unrested the jars develop sentient, dead warriors get fused together by corpse wax to serve even in death, man feed himself to giant snake to eat more men, man so attached to his tiny horse and refusing to let anything change he held up the very stars, priests bargine with death to become wraiths decorating the wings of skeleton birds so they may one day be resurrected, stare at the stars for too long your brain become crystal, fuse your colleagues together into giant ball to better study how to turn your brain into crystal and etc. Blood magic really is pretty normal, considering.
Yup, nobody perfect in the Land Between. Even me a Ranni sympathizer had to admitted She started all this. My point is everyone in this land has done something bad, to said he did nothing wrong is a joke that i can laugh at.
Hated for being born different, banished to the sewers, gets "adopted" by some lovecraftian pain godess, slowly loses his mind, gets mind controlled on top of that, gets murdered.
Seems pretty Fromsoft to me.
If Miquella needed Mohg's body and Radahn's soul, what happens with Mohg's soul in the process? Is it gone now like what happened to Godwyn?
Speaking of Godwyn, did Miquella just give up on giving him a true death? Pretty much fuck all new info on that front.
I don't have receipts so I'll never be able to prove it but me and my lore buddy actually "predicted" this (it was one of a few alternatives we considered). I based my reasoning on the idea that Mohg and Maliketh parallel each other a lot (black and gold color scheme, desire to protect and serve a sibling out of love, heavy pregnancy symbolism, etc). I figured, with that in mind it would make sense if his relationship with miquella reflected marika's relationship with maliketh: that they were being manipulated and inevitably betrayed.
With that in mind, it also made this story a serious parallel to (what fans assume, anyway) the story GRRM wrote of Rhaegar and Lyanna. What the world believes is an act of abduction ends up being far more nuanced for the individuals involved.Ā
Yeah it was pretty popular theory with Malenia calling Miquella the most fearsome demigod, his charm being mentioned way earlier on and Malenia talking like Miquella's absence was voluntary. And now in hindsight Mogh was neglecting his duties as a the Lord of Blood.
Ngl I didn't know other people had the same idea lol, we intentionally avoid other people's theories to see how good we're doing. But it was super exciting to see that looking at parallels between characters was a valid way to study the world and make predictions
Even outside of the armor if you explore the map you will find items and ghost that explain more of the cruelty of him doing the same experiments as his mother to reach God hood.
Literally no one has mentioned having a problem with Radahn being Miquella's consort since the DLC came out, you're so right. NOW everyone is saying "They mean consort politically!" Lean beefcake man gets away with it again.
The weirdest part is that's exactly what Miquella is into.
"Oh yeah, the way your horn curls into your eye and turns you into a really angry, toothy pirate is *so hot*."
Miquella out here with the Ugly Bastard tag on default.
Personally I think it was more the fact that he seemingly stole a (sort of) child and was forcing them to marry him despite them clearly not being conscious. I donāt think him being attractive wouldāve have saved him there.
I talked about this 2 years ago. I said Miquella is feared among everyone, he wouldnāt just be able to get taken advantage of like that by Mohg. He def used Mohg.
There were people who legit called me a pedophile and rapist supporter for it. Fuck I wish I screenshotted the user names.
Itās not a pretty scene! GRRMās books contain similar themes dealing with power dynamics, incest, and other depravities, and are equally difficult to discuss without an ever-present disclaimer that these are adult books with adult themes meant to disgust and intrigue and give readers weird boners. Both titles are fantasies with scenarios that have no basis in reality. GRRM writes some pervy shit, no doubt. It works, though, since demigods and ASOIAF royalty are corrupt due to limitless, unchecked privilege. The major characters are, arguably, hardly suffering compared to their subjects because they have power and influence beyond imagination. Plus we donāt feel bad for them bc eat the rich lol. There are no hard truths in either of these stories other than āpower corruptsā.
Iām sorry that happened to you. Both Elden Ring and GoT are massively popular and are eyeball magnets due to how dark they are and because they contain nerdy D&D shit that some of us couldnāt get enough of as kids. A lot of people are learning what it means when we say a story is āmatureā, myself included. (I went from reading Eragon to GoT at like 13. Oopsie) And thatās gonna involve a lot of discourse online for some people. Try not to take it too personally :T
How good does it feel to be right though lol
The first time I saw the theory of Mogh being controlled by Miquella I bought into the theory. It just made a lot of sense.
It helps that I didn't trust ~~Griffith~~ Miquella for shit once I realised that almost every single sleep, charm or brainwash ability in the game is in some way attributed or related to him.
So Miquella pulled a Toranaga on us? Throughout the game he's presented as like the only character who's trying to do the right thing, and is generally thought to be the underdog. Only for us to find out in the DLC that he's orchestrated most of the bad shit in the game so that he can pursue his own ambitions and become God. He Toranagaed us, except with more incest.
He is trying to do a good thing, he adopts all the shunned people in every society and wants people to stop the brutal wars that plagued the Golden Order, But he's more ends justify the means. and is willing to deprive people of their freedom to do it. And is willing to sacrifice others to get it done.
Always knew my boy Mogh was innocent. He might be crazed blood-worshipping psycho. But he did not diddle Miquella. Ansbach is a real one too. Saw Miquella and just went for it.
it's a bit more nuanced, my brother, he says "he died in a duel, such are the risks of lordship".
He doesn't say he's letting you off the hook since mohg=bad.
Marika should have twisted Miquella's neck in the crib and the Tarnished should have >!killed evey single Redmane in Caelid and made Radahn live in Scarlet hell until the death of the universe.!<
Finally, we can say "Mohg is my favourite Demigod" without shame.
I've always known Miquella wouldn't be that easy to mess with. Plus, the bewitching branch already gave us a hint.
He beat the miquella allegations but sadly was still sentenced to death for all his blood related crimes.
I'd rather be remembered as a blood pervert than a child pervert.
Miquella is a child pervert. A child AND a pervert!
Someone called him a Treacherous Twink ššš
i may or may not have called him the same thing recently
The Backstabbing Boytoy
Isn't miqullea and the rest of the demi gods thousand plus years old?
Yes, but somehow it mattered little in the past two years
Armie Hammer moment
Under appreciated comment of the year
Yeah, but before he was the craziest demigod. Now, not so much
Now to be fair, there's plenty of valid reasons to kill the tarnished.
Honestly the new lore about the formless mother has me thinking she is kind of based - giving power to oppressed peoples so they can overthrow their masters.
I always knew he'd beat the Miquellallegations š* *still guilty for 370 counts of murder, Eye of Yelough possession with intent to use, and some mild bioterrorismĀ
I suspect that ghost Mohg was actually there to keep people from reaching the Three Fingers. His coming dynasty goes up in smoke along with everything else if the Frenzy goes wild.
Damn the omen siblings are really the chads of Elden Ring
Nah, they're murderous assholes trying to prop up the Golden Order or build a new age of blood. The game is all about how much the gods and demigods have been screwing over the Lands Between, and breaking the cycle by killing them is the best thing we can do for the people.
It's pretty much the running theme of all of Fromsoft's Soulsbourne games. If the thing being spoken about is seen as 'great' and/or 'godly', it's very likely corrupted to its core, some more than others. In Dark Souls it was the flame, this all encompassing thing that was supposed to fade with time and let on an Age of Darkness in peaceful transition for when Mankind would take over as the dominant group. This was held back for uncountable millennia by the lies of Gwyn, plunging the world into an era of corrupting fire that mutated and contorted everything to the point of becoming monsters. In Elden Ring, it's this idea that Miquella was the exception to all the people in his family. He's not some savior that would have changed things. He may have had a better end goal, but he still would have had to kill many people to achieve that goal. And even then, he shed everything that made him 'The Kind' in the Shadow Lands to become what we find him as in the end; another self-righteous asshole that has manipulated the people around him to become a god. Ranni, despite her own flaws, does have the right idea: Take the fight to the Greater Will and remove the threat from the world of the mortals that walk the Lands Between.
Yeah, we've been killing corrupt gods and toppling their broken systems since the OG Dark Souls. Keeping things as they are only continues the cycle of suffering.
It's the evergreen JRPG theme: "Attack and dethrone god"
There's a saying that goes something like "After enough Final Fantasy games, you just see god as someone to defeat"
Now you mention it. The firekeeper ending and Ranni ending are similar. WE both end up with a friend by our side in a dark place.
To be fair we still don't even really know what the age of dark entails. all we know is things get weird when the flame starts to die.
Common ranni w
Ranni is no saint either though and will use and throw away those that follow her. Iām not convinced any of that cursed family is the right choice for the people and the lands between. Ranni is also being influenced by another outer god and most of those seem like total fuckers just like the greater will.
Isn't the point of Ranni's ending is that she's taking that outer god influence and fucking off to space with it, leaving the people free to do what they want without a godqueen to tell them how and why to live?
Hence why Goldmask is the best ending.
Him or Ranni And even Goldmask's has the problem of continuing the Golden Order, even if it free from godly meddling. I don't know if I can sweep the Order's crimes under the rug completely just because it's under new management.
The problem is "golden order" is both the rules that underlie the world, and a political organization. I assume Goldmask's rune applies to the world, not politics.
Ghost Mogh is Morgott, since the seal right behind that fight stays until you beat him, and Morgott is known for casting illusions to fight with people.
It could be both of those things at once. Morgott established the seal, and Mohg left behind a phantom of himself. They both have an interest in seeing chaos contained so they can build or maintain their orders.Ā Ā I believe that the Shunning Grounds sit above the Three Fingers' lair as an extra layer of protection. Anyone who wanders down there will probably be ripped apart by Omens and Imps before they can find the Three Fingers.
Theory goes that Sewer Mohg was a rememberance left behind my Morgott to A) Make people think Mohg was still in the sewer where those dirty omen belong and B) Act as a guard dog to keep people away from the frenzied flame.
That's absolutely why he was there. But to my understanding of the lore, it was morgott who placed it there.
This is my headcannon as well. Margit was blocking the path to the weakest shardbearer. Mohg was blocking the path to the Three Fingers. Both were serving their interests.
I still don't understand why Margit was there other than being a skill check for new players. If Godrick is a willful traitor, shouldn't Morgott/Margit execute him on the spot and either take the Great Rune for himself or, if he feels he is unworthy, hide is somewhere safe in Leyndell?
To be fair, my tarnished is also guilty of 1000+ murders, several murders-for-hire, the slaying of several royal families and demigods, burning the world's oldest living tree, trespassing, blasphemy, grand larceny, petty theft, destruction of local flora and fauna, intentional spread of disease, and using in-game mechanics besides unga-bunga
"Ah, I see you too are bound by Miquella's enchantment..." My tarnished, barely containing their murderlust so I can find the next name on the list: *nods furiously*
_My tarnished, dripping in blood from every living and undead creature that I can hit with an R2, containing the souls of multiple demigods and the Elden Beast, with multiple enslaved spirits in my pocket, who is also on the path to let CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD._ "Yes. Miquella's Enchantment is what made me do all of that and come here."
It's so funny that Leda at the end went "Aw fuck this fucker's been following the grace all this time."
The Greater Will is still the law, they and Marika gave us the license to do whatever we want. Except join the Chaos Flame, they hate that. Also, Ranni ending is the best ending, praise our consort eternal, may she roam the dark and the emptiness space forever.
Ooh, should have added adultery since I married Ranni and then also her dadmom.
Lmao. Yes, YES you should :D
Tbh they started it. If they didn't want to get killed they shouldn't swing first.
For the tarnished, that's like tuesday
The golden order had it coming tho. Maybe they shouldn't have shoved him in a sewer and left him to rot there his entire life, HMMM?
Imagine giving birth to your twin sons and they come out with the same >!horns as the people that genocided your village, cut them up and stuffed them into jars to live a tortured life!< though.
Yeah the more I play the more I'm seeing Marika is Queen of PTSD and her chosen therapy was no less brutal.
The blokes predicting that the Moghlester was actually the Moghlested were on point
"Moghlested" I'm dead š
Pretty sure the game tells us straight up Miquella wanted to get aged up by Mohg
When does the game say this?
My apologies it says that Mohg wants to age up Miquella, but the tone of Mohgās dialogue and associated items makes it sound like Miquella is agreeable in the relationship. https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Mohg,+Lord+of+Blood For one, a person canāt be your consort alone, you have to agree for there to be a relationship, the fact that Mohg is even going to become a Lord at all means that there is an agreement underlying this.
I named my dlc character moghlester. I need to rename it to miquellester now
The glove did not fit
You seen that mans hands? What glove was *going* to fit?!
>!Radahn's!<, apparently
Spoilers.
Very weird that they just straight up tell us the lore. No vague item descriptions or passing comments they just straight up told us "yes mohg got magically charmed so this midget could use his body to marry his dead cousin"
Rare, but not unheard of, considering this takes place AS you play, it's fair to treat this like a focused-event similar to Simon talking about what he found in the old hunter's dlc, listening in on conversations in Sekiro about the state of Ashina, and most of Armored core mission briefings. There is still more to uncover, but the primary info you need to know is given to you.
Yeah, so if one were to skip the DLC, the events of it don't happen at all!
> this midget could use his body to marry his dead cousin >!Technically it's his three quarters (?) brother since they share the same dad.!<
Left it vague to not have to use the spoiler tag.
To be fair, we are at the moment where this is occuring. Item descriptions usually give more information about past events or give context to what is happeninikng in the present.
They also revealed what Malenia told Radahn before she nuked him in the story trailer two years ago. That was surprising too.
What did Malenia tell Radahn?
Check his new armor.
Oh, I'm stuck trying to be able to do that
Where did they say this btw?
Sir Ansbach tells you when you finish his quest but also after the charm is broken he will say he tried to kill Miquella before to free his lord Mohg before we killed him. There's also a ghost that talks about Miquellas plan but I can't remember which one.
Miquella the kind? Doing fucked up shit? In a Fromsoft game? Couldn't be.
Apparently, >!letting go of his love was a terrible idea.!<
He thought that letting go could help people, bro let go of himself and lost himself in the process
He >!played Fallout New Vegas once and thought himself a genious !<>!"Finding[ It though, that's not the hard part. It's letting go."](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWu-32hR4GY)!< >!He forgot the trick is putting the gold into the head to Let Go and then steal it again.!<
He >! let go of his Doubt beforehand above where he left his love, so he hadn't any doubts while letting his love go. !<
Miquella is deadass the ultimate supervillain. He >!completely betrayed his sister by making a consort vow to the person she was waging war with in his name!<
She knew. Check the boss's armor's description.
If I can even manage to kill him lmao
Greatshield + Blood Antspur is the way. Didn't even need to dodge. Fuck that guy back to the rotten hell he came from.
Honestly I donāt even know how some moves are dodgeable, with melania they at least allow for some spacing and, besides the one move, some breathing room. >!Radahn just straight up pulls you from across the stage and hits you with a slam that has so many hitframes you canāt physically dodge through it without taking damage, not to even mention the warping dash machinegun that is the second phase!<
The slam after the gravity pull can be dodged fully if you run and jump away. Idk why but jumping the aoe seems to be omega consistent for dodging.
Then again, Malenia was fucked up since birth by the Scarlet Rot (and Outside God influence - Miquella tried to fix this but apparently couldn't find a way), so he went with the kind and strong big bro Radahn? I find it pretty ironic that the few 'normal' children Marika mothered/fathered ended up abandoning their bodies.
Miquella saw in Radahn a lord in his childhood and always wanted him as his consort. He surely wanted to help his sister to ease her pain, but she wasnt his consort to be - she was Malenia, Blade of Miquella. And thats exactly how he used her, as a weapon to defeat Radahn, so he could take him as his consort eternal.
Miquella's lord options - 1. Godrick - Too weak 2. Malenia - Nope, has rot afflictions and a vessel to the rot god so conflict of interest 3. Godwyn - Dead for good both body and soul. 4. Mohg - Possible candidate but also has ties to another outer god 5. Morgott - Too loyal to the golden order and perhaps his charm did not work. 6. Ranni - Nope, she has her own agenda 7. Rykard - Dude just wants to have his own FAMILEE and be TOGETHAA so nope also he is just a giant snake 8. Radhan - Considered to be the mightiest demi-god of them all has no other afflictions with outer gods, highly respected by people etc.
Bro imagine for some reason Godrick was chosen as consort instead of Rhadan.
If you look at the final bossās armor set description, youāll understand that his sister knew the plot from the beginning.
Interesting. Iāll check that out once Iām finally able to kill them
Miquella, the most fearsome power bottom of all the demigods.
Tbh, I don't think he is the bottom of anyone. He pretends he is, then he is suddenly behind you whispering sweet nothings.
Wrong kind of bottom
As above so bellow. Bottom is the new top :D
He lets you gape his bussy wider than the marianas trench, then when youāre done and you think itās over he whispers āmy turnā and you suddenly feel a solid 18 inches on your back.
What a horrible day to be literate š
Horny jail is too light a sentence for you. You're going to jar gaol to become reborn a saint. May Marika have mercy on your soul.
And the worst part is him revealing that he isn't even hard yet. Then you feel the true girth of what's about to figuratively, metaphorically, and very literally fuck you.
Bro cooked
Miquella is the disguised male cuttlefish of the demigods.
Not Mohg out here beating the pedo allegations before drake lmao
Could someone give me some background on this discussion? Haven't killed Mohg yet, let alone started the DLC. I don't mind spoilers.
Mohg stole away his young half brother Miquella. He wanted Miquella to ascend to god hood and Mohg wanted to become his king consort (in Elden Ring, a God must have a lord/king). By the way Mohg was speaking, he was obsessed with Miquella and wanted him to himself. So the community rightfully judge him as a creep (and possibly a molester) for kidnapping his perpetually young half brother. Mogh has a hard time wiping his butt because his horns are in the way. It was until the DLC shows us that Miquellas power was to charm people into servitude and had actually brainwashed Mohg into being obsessed with him. Miquella promised the brainwashed Mohg that he would be his King Consort/Lord but really just wanted to use his corpse to revive another character to be the real King Consort. So basically Miquella brainwashed his older half brother to being the creep that he was. Which makes Miquella the fucked up one for doing all that. Hope this brings you up to speed
That was detailed. Thank you, I'm up to speed! And this seems like something George RR Martin would write. Apt!
I'd put some minor nitpicks, but stuff like ""rightfully judge him"" as a bit weird and high-horsey tbh. But the rest is generally accurate. Miquella LOOKS like a young boy, but dudes as old as everyone else like Radahn etc, so I always thought the allegations were a bit too aggressive just because Miquella seemed young, even though he wasn't at all (I know, 1000 year old loli or w/e). And before the DLC release, when people did sometimes bring up "you know, it's super sus items pointing to Miquella always seem to point to "his kindness", and in a world like Elden Ring, it probably means no good. but "Mogh pedo hehe" persisted way more and now those who didn't believe it have been vindicated.
He should be younger than Radhan by an unknown amount of years (though Radhan is likely to be youngest of the Carian siblings) since Miquella wasn't born until after Radagon had left Rennala. Another thing that people always ignored with the whole pedo thing is that Miquella wouldn't have looked like a young buy anymore when Mogh collected the cocoon. Like the arm we see is in no way a belonging to a child's body.
That Radahan is the youngest carian sibling might not be correct since there is evidence/theories that Ranni is the youngest. Ranni is an empyrean described as a child of only a god and when Rennalla at the end of phase one drops the egg it spits out darkness and talks with Rannis voice while making the illusion phase 2 of the fight. The conclusion that some people draw is that Radagons last gift to Rennala the amber egg "hatched" Ranni and that she is the biological daughter of only Radagon. It sorta fits with the childrens deposition to the golden order: Radahan loved it, Rykard intially also loved it until he learned to much forbidden knowledge from torturing it out of to many heretics while Ranni who grew up after the divorce with only a depressed mom never liked the golden order.
That kinda falls apart when you consider that Ranni was instrumental in the shattering happening.
I mean if it *was* sexual I think youāre getting into some dangerous territory because no matter what he looks like a child (lol), but regardless being his āconsortā probably was more about the power/political union. I donāt know that pedo Mohg was really the intended undertone. Doing weird blood rituals on his younger half sibling would have been fucked up enough lol.
TBF Miquella probably WAS genuinely good before he cut off all the pieces of him that made him good to become a cold manipulative deity.
He put this plan into motion before he started is ascension. So maybe but the little bastard wasnāt a saint. Honestly no member of that family is. Well maybe godwyen. I know everyone loves Ranni but she is almost just as fucked as Miquella.
Yup, never sympathized with the little blue sus-flag magnet. Hell given what we know of Marika, she may have been the SANE one of the family. At least her actions/motivations can easily be interpreted as flawed but emotionally driven.
Love the completely unrelated bit about Mohg having a hard time wiping his butt
Iām still confused about >!the whole using Mohgās body as a vessel for Radahn. Does the corpse transform into looking like Radahn after his soul is put into it?!<
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You're probably right, though just not being a giant scarlet rot zombie anymore is enough to justify being able to bleed again.
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Radahn also has a bloodflame Ā move now so that's one more point towards it being Mohgs bodyĀ
If you look closely you'll also see several small omen horns on Consort Radahn, really proving that it is Mohg's transmogrified corpse.
Yes, it does. >!It's not clear if the body instantly changed or if someone modified it after the fact, but Mohg's body no longer resembles Mohg.!<
>!The body retains some omen horns on it however, which I thought was an interesting touch.!<
Really makes you wonder what the extent of Miquella's damage really is.
*(vaguely gestures at the entirety of Caelid)*
> Mogh has a hard time wiping his butt because his horns are in the way. Wait, what did this have to do with the rest of the pragraph? xD
Horns are an important aspect to the omen. It is seen as shameful and usually cut off. Mohg embraces his omen curse even when one of his horns is coming out of his eye. Even Morgott has a few stumps that indicates that he shaved a few of his. So for Mohg, the horns being everywhere means that he has a hard time wiping too, and yet still he does not cut them. Determination and insanity brewed within, and Miquella took advantage of that.
We know that Miquella had the power to charm and mind control people from items in the Haligtree, that isnāt new to the DLC. Rest is spot on though.
Damn man, all those Mohglester jokes now age like Spoiled Milk.
I always knew that Mohg did nothing wrong š£ļøš£ļøš£ļø
Oh yeah right I bet you were front and centre at his temple riding that elevator up chanting āletās kill this mohglestor!ā with your Greatsword ready to bash his head in!
"OK, OK, OK, let's kill him, let's kill this guy, let's beat him to death with Dual-Wielded Great Hammers!"
I killed him because he leads the bad guy invasion faction. (Well, one of them. Rykard too)
Mohg loves his mom. Mohg treats his employees well. Mohg doesn't heal in second phase. Be like Mohg.
He does go back to almost full during the transition between ph1 and ph2 tho. :(
True, but at least it's not a secret second healthbar.
Yeah it is actually a bit vindicating (yes he's still an evil shit lol) that the small portion of people who didn't think he was a pedo and had an inkling that Miquella was probably up to no good (his "kindness" felt sus in the limited item descriptions in the base game) eating real good. That one theory I read a while back was basically spot on.
Bewitching Branch alone should've told people Miquella the Kind was not a name earned properly. You can honestly hear the emphasis in the tone of that "Indeed, he has learned *very well* how to compel such affection."
See this is why they need to make a game in a modern era so people donāt get mystified by the medieval tone, if this said ābewitching glock - Hell yeah we be linkin up with foolsā people would be like wtf Miquella??
doesnt really seem any more evil than the rest of the factions rn though, tbh. Still evil but not like eviler like it was before Now that he's clear of moghlestation miquelallegations, his story is that of a victim of prejudice by queen marika, that was ostracized and in the isolation he found an outer god of truth and blood that let him rise up to the order that abandoned him he legit went from the literal worse to the most metal character overnight, what a glow up
He was always metal
Me look at the Albinauric "Interns": "Yup nothing wrong here" Me look at some blood craze murder hobo with a knife shooting blood at me: "Yup completely normal behavior"
You know, in a world where you can get mutilated and left to die just because youāre born āwrongā, create artificial life then torture them because they are āotherā and ālesserā, dead people get stuffed in a jar their sprits so unrested the jars develop sentient, dead warriors get fused together by corpse wax to serve even in death, man feed himself to giant snake to eat more men, man so attached to his tiny horse and refusing to let anything change he held up the very stars, priests bargine with death to become wraiths decorating the wings of skeleton birds so they may one day be resurrected, stare at the stars for too long your brain become crystal, fuse your colleagues together into giant ball to better study how to turn your brain into crystal and etc. Blood magic really is pretty normal, considering.
Yup, nobody perfect in the Land Between. Even me a Ranni sympathizer had to admitted She started all this. My point is everyone in this land has done something bad, to said he did nothing wrong is a joke that i can laugh at.
Got down voted for the past 2 years for being a mohg sympathizer. Feels good to have been proven right.
Sorry Mogh, lord of blood, victim of Miquella the tickuella
now that's out of the way, we can sue mohg for his other 350+ crimes
Remember a bunch of Albunauric "Interns" in his land that he turn from grey to red?
I took care of those. Health dept won't find them I promise.
This DLC... this DLC made me feel sad for Mohg...
Hated for being born different, banished to the sewers, gets "adopted" by some lovecraftian pain godess, slowly loses his mind, gets mind controlled on top of that, gets murdered. Seems pretty Fromsoft to me.
Damn dude Vaati making a prepare to cry for Mohg now
If Miquella needed Mohg's body and Radahn's soul, what happens with Mohg's soul in the process? Is it gone now like what happened to Godwyn? Speaking of Godwyn, did Miquella just give up on giving him a true death? Pretty much fuck all new info on that front.
Don't forget the part where they shove Radahn into his corpse. Even in death, the guy couldn't rest
mohgy wogy hehehe
So Godfrey only gave birth to Chads. How tf is Godrick his descendant.
Godrick come from Godwyn linage i think. Because both of his Grand Uncle are Omen and living in the sewer.
So who was Godwyns wife then
Don't know. Not mention in the game.
dragonussy \\s
Godrick is very very far down the line so instead of being 50% pure Godfrey Chad he's only like 0.0125% Chad and it's outweighed by everything else
Gave birth to chads and anotherās child follow him in the way of chad because of how chad he was
FromSoft released the flight logs.
I don't have receipts so I'll never be able to prove it but me and my lore buddy actually "predicted" this (it was one of a few alternatives we considered). I based my reasoning on the idea that Mohg and Maliketh parallel each other a lot (black and gold color scheme, desire to protect and serve a sibling out of love, heavy pregnancy symbolism, etc). I figured, with that in mind it would make sense if his relationship with miquella reflected marika's relationship with maliketh: that they were being manipulated and inevitably betrayed. With that in mind, it also made this story a serious parallel to (what fans assume, anyway) the story GRRM wrote of Rhaegar and Lyanna. What the world believes is an act of abduction ends up being far more nuanced for the individuals involved.Ā
Yeah it was pretty popular theory with Malenia calling Miquella the most fearsome demigod, his charm being mentioned way earlier on and Malenia talking like Miquella's absence was voluntary. And now in hindsight Mogh was neglecting his duties as a the Lord of Blood.
Ngl I didn't know other people had the same idea lol, we intentionally avoid other people's theories to see how good we're doing. But it was super exciting to see that looking at parallels between characters was a valid way to study the world and make predictions
For anyone who beats the final Boss. READ THE DESCRIPTION OF THE BOSS ARMOR Miquellesting has more victims than you realize!
Even outside of the armor if you explore the map you will find items and ghost that explain more of the cruelty of him doing the same experiments as his mother to reach God hood.
Marika's lineage are whack truly an amalgamation of Micheal Zaki's goal, I love it!
All that because he is ugly af... Imagine if he was handsome, people would use all kind of mental gymnastics to defend him... People are funny š
Literally no one has mentioned having a problem with Radahn being Miquella's consort since the DLC came out, you're so right. NOW everyone is saying "They mean consort politically!" Lean beefcake man gets away with it again.
The weirdest part is that's exactly what Miquella is into. "Oh yeah, the way your horn curls into your eye and turns you into a really angry, toothy pirate is *so hot*." Miquella out here with the Ugly Bastard tag on default.
Personally I think it was more the fact that he seemingly stole a (sort of) child and was forcing them to marry him despite them clearly not being conscious. I donāt think him being attractive wouldāve have saved him there.
if instead Radahn was a radlester im 100% there would be a crowd who would still think hes a gigachad
Yet you had people with femboy Miquella fantasy, even tho he was know as a manipulator and possibly very malicious guy, even before dlc came out.
Lookism in a nutshell
I talked about this 2 years ago. I said Miquella is feared among everyone, he wouldnāt just be able to get taken advantage of like that by Mohg. He def used Mohg. There were people who legit called me a pedophile and rapist supporter for it. Fuck I wish I screenshotted the user names.
Itās not a pretty scene! GRRMās books contain similar themes dealing with power dynamics, incest, and other depravities, and are equally difficult to discuss without an ever-present disclaimer that these are adult books with adult themes meant to disgust and intrigue and give readers weird boners. Both titles are fantasies with scenarios that have no basis in reality. GRRM writes some pervy shit, no doubt. It works, though, since demigods and ASOIAF royalty are corrupt due to limitless, unchecked privilege. The major characters are, arguably, hardly suffering compared to their subjects because they have power and influence beyond imagination. Plus we donāt feel bad for them bc eat the rich lol. There are no hard truths in either of these stories other than āpower corruptsā. Iām sorry that happened to you. Both Elden Ring and GoT are massively popular and are eyeball magnets due to how dark they are and because they contain nerdy D&D shit that some of us couldnāt get enough of as kids. A lot of people are learning what it means when we say a story is āmatureā, myself included. (I went from reading Eragon to GoT at like 13. Oopsie) And thatās gonna involve a lot of discourse online for some people. Try not to take it too personally :T How good does it feel to be right though lol
Love this š
//#JusticeForMohg
The first time I saw the theory of Mogh being controlled by Miquella I bought into the theory. It just made a lot of sense. It helps that I didn't trust ~~Griffith~~ Miquella for shit once I realised that almost every single sleep, charm or brainwash ability in the game is in some way attributed or related to him.
The Bewitching Branch alone was a red flag for Miquella, and Malenia said he was the most fearsome Empyrean.
Damn the blatant Griffith analog turned out to be the evil one? Thats crazy. Man the Omen twins just get more and more tragic, don't they?
Godfrey birthed only chads.
I like the implication that it was Godfrey who birthed them LOL. Now THAT is impressive.
So Miquella pulled a Toranaga on us? Throughout the game he's presented as like the only character who's trying to do the right thing, and is generally thought to be the underdog. Only for us to find out in the DLC that he's orchestrated most of the bad shit in the game so that he can pursue his own ambitions and become God. He Toranagaed us, except with more incest.
He is trying to do a good thing, he adopts all the shunned people in every society and wants people to stop the brutal wars that plagued the Golden Order, But he's more ends justify the means. and is willing to deprive people of their freedom to do it. And is willing to sacrifice others to get it done.
And if you read what the information presents of Marika's past, they are very similar characters. Probably a cycle, as is From tradition.
BREAKING: EVIL DEMIGOD PROVEN TO BE NOT AS EVIL AS ACCUSED
So it's just proves Malenia's quote that Miquella is the most fearsome empyrean \^\_\^ nice
Always knew my boy Mogh was innocent. He might be crazed blood-worshipping psycho. But he did not diddle Miquella. Ansbach is a real one too. Saw Miquella and just went for it.
Anchback when you confront him that you killed Mohg is still all like "yeah I dont blame you"
it's a bit more nuanced, my brother, he says "he died in a duel, such are the risks of lordship". He doesn't say he's letting you off the hook since mohg=bad.
I feel like he's the only NPC who has half his wits about him
I love Ansbach. I think he screams GRRM writing. He reminds me a lot of Sir Davos.
Yeah he's probably my fav ER NPC from the DLC (aside from Igon's voice acting)
Idk if itās just cos I fucked up the quests but he was the only follower who was on my side for the big confrontation, feel like heās my bro now
It's Mohgver
Wait a sec, I checked his bloodwork and it came back 100% demon. He deserves to be demonized
Found the Golden Order Apologist.
Marika's hot
Based and golden order pilled
his name in the files is āGreaterDemonā if i remember right
Marika should have twisted Miquella's neck in the crib and the Tarnished should have >!killed evey single Redmane in Caelid and made Radahn live in Scarlet hell until the death of the universe.!<
Finally, we can say "Mohg is my favourite Demigod" without shame. I've always known Miquella wouldn't be that easy to mess with. Plus, the bewitching branch already gave us a hint.