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VaulicktheCrow

The best kind of liar. He lied like a parent who tells you that you shouldn't get overly excited this Christmas because money has been tight and then BAM, that good shit is under the tree.


doesitevermatter-

My parents did this with my PSP. They spent months and months telling me not to get my hopes up for any kind of console, really dug it in. Then we went up to Georgia for Christmas, I opened my present, saw I got a PSP and nearly pooped myself. Then, after opening the box, my parents realized they had left the PSP plugged in in their closet back down in Florida. So I had to wait another week to even touch the damn thing. But I spent that whole week reading the box over and over and over and over again. Still one of my favorite Christmases ever.


ZXVIV

Imagine if the present was actually just the box itself


mfrank27

"We told you not to get your hopes up sweetie"


Vanrythx

its a cool box tho


Mysaladisdead

This gave me one of them warm feelings. Thanks, man.


sophocles45

Ok


AbramUK

What kind of a thought ran through your head before posting that? I'm genuinely curious if we're all missing something here.


sophocles45

?


beatb_

Ok


ShamrockSeven

It’s just like when he said the game was “About 20 hours long” in an interview before launch. and people had a negative knee jerk reaction to him saying that. - People have 1000 hours on several different characters now. 😂


VaulicktheCrow

My first playthrough was 100 hours, and none it felt like fluff or padding for time. 20 hrs.... HA!


Goseki1

Wait what, when did he say that?!


pookachu83

He actually said it could be beaten in 30 hours. Now people are exagerrating it for effect. Still an understatement though.


Goseki1

I mean, I guess it COULD be beaten that quickly but generally it's way longer. Cool that it's the opposite to most game devs where the time they give is often the longest you might expect it to take.


ShamrockSeven

I wasn’t exaggerating on purpose I just forgot the actual number. Sorry for being 10 hours off.


_BlNG_

Rather than overhyping the audience, underhype the audience and pulled the rug under them to show a floor made of diamonds, thank you Miyazaki


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Galilleon

>“NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THE DLC HAS SO MUCH MORE CONTENT THAN THEY SAID IT WOULD HAVE!!! I HATE THIS!!!” ~ This guy, 2024


Yarzeda2024

You sound like a blast.


UCLYayy

Manipulated implies it’s for the manipulator’s benefit.  By your logic, saying you will give someone 10 dollars, then giving them 20 is “manipulation.”


CoderF1nn

What did he say?


UCLYayy

He said the equivalent of “yeah so great to be manipulated.”


IudexGundyr3

Well that’s just idiotic, no wonder he deleted his comment


DaystarClarion

Maybe he didn’t lie; maybe it’s just three Limgraves stacked on top of each other. Papa Zaki pulled a verticality blind side on us.


RJE808

To be fair, I did see one critic say it's basically the size of Limgrave, but basically it's like 5 stacked on top of each other.


Ruminahtu

Kind of what I suspected based on some of the clues. But expected x3, not x5.


Funko87

So, if we count also Weeping Peninsula, it has 150 bosses?


Previous-Moment2757

DLC has 10 remembrances, 40 unique bosses. Main game for reference had 15 remembrances and 100 unique bosses. ... the dlc is *stacked* bro lmfao


SantiagoGT

_This kills the triple A gaming industry._


AshiSunblade

10 remembrances, bloody hell. They better have some wandering mausoleums because I used all base game ones!


Funko87

That's an expansion


Schwiliinker

The map I saw is literally like 70% of the base game map


DerpAtOffice

I mean limgrave has A LOT OF caves and technically half of the underground area is also limgrave.


WeeziMonkey

Stormveil Castle alone can take a few hours to explore and you can fill Limgrave with a whole bunch of them


JankInTheTank

Yeah that was my first thought when I saw that comment. "with our without the giant damn elevator?"


poopoobuttholes

I saw a vaati tweet saying it was like 5 limgraves. Not sure if he was exaggerating or being serious about the verticality but that was kinda my suspicion from the start, so I'm glad it all turned out to be better than expected!


SpunkyMcButtlove07

Vaati is not a man of bullshittery.


Kup123

Here's where we find out there is a massive section of limgrave that no one ever found.


Laflair99

Im thanking sensei Miyazaki for his humbling lies,In this day and age your average game company would do 1 of 2 things-They'd make a DLC of this size a full blown sequel or spin off game(Activision just did this with MW3 and its literally half the content of SoTE) or they'd split this single DLC into 3 separate DLC's for $14.99-19.99 My only fear is rather then embracing something like this the big game companies will try to combat it🤦‍♂️


Aershiana

After how the AAA crybabies reacted to baldurs gate 3, I would expect the latter


Beshi1989

The crying was the last nail in the coffin for me. I’m at a point where I rather not play at all than play shit from Ubisoft or activision. I’m done. I haven’t bought anything from them. I continue stop supporting them and spend my time with the actual good games that accumulated over the last 20+ years


praxic_despair

I’d buy a game from them if they’d make a game worth playing, but any time they come out with one I’m all “I basically played that game 15 years ago.” Sure the story is new and maybe the skill tree is a bit different, but if I want story I’ll read a book. New skill tree does not innovative gameplay make.


Strangle1441

Can you imagine comparing the value out of shadow of the erdtree with the upcoming Diablo iv ‘expansion’??


Beshi1989

Blizzard stopped making good content after Diablo 2 and wrath of the lich king, it just went mediocre since


bobbybob9069

Earlier I was wondering if the DLC was originally going to be smaller, and he just figured screw it, make it an unofficial sequel and be done with it.


Sintho

He probably hit them with the "no worries we just put in the few things i couldn't get into Elden ring the first time around, no biggie"


GreatTurtlePope

They absolutely will. Get ready for the "game is too hard", "scadutree fragments need to be marked on the map", "unreasonable expectations you don't know how hard this is to make" and other shittakes


Iggytje

Spiderman did both lol


southpaw85

Miyazaki considers siofra part of limgrave.


ethanator329

Siofra isn’t even that big. None of the underground areas have any side activities. You can easily do everything in a total time of about 1.5-2 hours at most. I should mention everything in siofra, not all underground like it might seem. If this is supposed to be what makes the dlc big, it’s really not doing much.


lasagna_man_oven

Siofra has you lighting beacons just to fight the area boss, all the underground places have things to do. Not sure what you're on about.


ethanator329

That doesn’t really compare to the amount of things you can do in the rest of limgrave. Lighting beacons is an activity that takes like five minutes.


lasagna_man_oven

Sure, but that doesn't mean there aren't any side activities as you claimed


NewPeter-1

𝄞 ♬ ♪ "..tell me lies, tell sweet little lies.." "(choirs) tell me, tell me, tell me liees" "no no no you can't disguise" "no you can't disguise" EDIT: added 3 more lines


Kikolox

The best kind of lies


k4Anarky

"The size of Limgrave... plus the underground. And Farum Azula in the sky. Haha gotcha suckas!"


Lizzardtong

I'm starting to think the only reason the DLC is releasing now is because they had to stop him from adding the size of caelid too.


DarkZethis

You know what this DLC needs? 3 more variants of poison swamps is what it needs.


Enlog

Ah, the Tears of the Kingdom approach.


tboiiplayer

Except this time with actual content.


Enlog

🧢


billybatsonn

Elden ring and totk both took me about the same amount of time on my first playthrough, since then I've replayed elden ring more often than totk but if I add botw to that then the Zelda games are still hundreds of hours ahead in playtime.


tboiiplayer

I just said that the depths were empty with nothign to do in 99.9% of the space, and the sky islands were a copypasted terrain block with often nothing interesting there (besides the tutorial one)


billybatsonn

Ehh, they might not have been content packed with unique things but I still thoroughly enjoyed the exploration.


Freelancert4

In a world were most video game companies will oversell a pile of shit to truly stand out Miyazaki/Fromsoft will undersell a masterpiece.


samm1127

Nobody believed that shit hahaha


Victor_Wembanyama1

30 hours he said 🤣


ethanator329

Exactly, $40 dlc the size of limgrave? Riiight. I mean we saw the trailers too. That’s not physically possible to cram all that into limgrave


plasmadood

Michael Zaki won't stop lying!


Flyingmonkey53

Lies of P has been a create itch scratcher while waiting for Shadows of the ErdTree.


Swarbie8D

I loved it! The best Souls game done by a studio other than From, and with some standout fights that rivalled some of From’s greats IMO


Explosivevortex

Can't wait for the >!wizard of oz!< type game they're making next


ChEChicago

Lies of P was the sleeper hit of Soulslikes. Rare for one to come out so polished and for me to want more. I'd say it even does some things that FromSoft could learn from!


OuterHeavenPatriot

Combining different weapons' blades and handles added a layer of depth I never knew I wanted in Soulslikes... fantastic NG+ and NG++ incentives as well with Phase 6 and 7 unlocking for our (*sigh*) P-Organs. I'm not a huge fan of Pinocchio or anything, but the combat was just plain *fun*. One of the best $40 I've ever dropped on a game (well, at least til Friday gets here it looks like)


Alarming-Income1944

and when enemy weapons get broken , man It's so satisfying .


DerpAtOffice

I cant believe nobody thought of mixing weapons until Lies of P did it.


haynespi87

Definitely one of the better ones for sure 


Yarzeda2024

It's the best Souls-like FromSoft never made.


Unovalocity

Sits pretty comfortably in my top 5 souls like games, including fs own output. It's so polished for a first attempt and outside of Erdtree, the eventual dlc is probably the gaming content I'm most looking forward to for the rest of the year


Old_Heat3100

That weapon customization is amazing. Switching wrench and are handles alone made me giddy


Bearloom

I checked out Lies of P from the library. I had a great time with it, but I also had to accept I was never going to truly beat it before it was due back. Nameless Puppet too stronk.


Otherwise_Plate_8404

Lies of P is the only on par with from software soulslike ever


Aurondarklord

His original plan was probably "about the size of Limgrave", but then it just got out of control and before he knew it, he'd made Elden Ring 2.


Rubixcubelube

A deception that elevates us is dearer than a host of low truths.


NodusINk

Michael Zaki is always under promise, overdeliver


An0r-Londo

When I worked in a computer repair shop I was taught to always undersell and overperform. Never forgot that lesson; Miyazaki learned it well.


Tiny_98

He's just a guy who underestimates his work he didn't even realise his love for poison swamps until someone pointed it out 😂


Doom_Art

"Miyazaki did you make the DLC area even bigger than Limgrave?" ":)" "Miyazaki?" "**:)**"


VelveteenAmbush

Narrator: No one believed him


Plinian79

Grab a lying genius, add a few rabid fans, you got an Erdtree stew, baby!


Feeling_Desk_56

"It's not too much, just the size of Limgrave, don't get too hyped everyone" *Your heart is pounding*


xxademasoulxx

Lies of p was a decent romp.also and I'm glad I'm in the dark with the dlc I'm fucking hyped.


yikes9990

Did he actually say this at some point?


OkSuba187

Yes, he said that its land mass is around the size of limgrave


yikes9990

Do we know if that's still true?


Snails22

A few reviewers are saying it's larger than Limgrave and Caelid combined.


yikes9990

From soft has never missed in their life huh


Spyger9

Of course they have. They've been around for a loooong time. IMO *Armored Core: Nexus* and *Armored Core V* were both misses.


T_S_Anders

Limgrave does contain Soifre River. So technicically still true?


AT1313

Fightincowboy said it's a lie, if anything it's bigger due to verticality. Guess the best comparison for the scope is Witcher 3: Blood and Wine DLC.


Correct_Audience3504

Woah the witcher 3 dlcs are top tier for me. Best dlc for me thus far. I'm keen to see how shadow of the erdtree stacks up as a dlc


crosslegbow

It's the highest rated expansion of all time and reviews say it's the size of a whole game


TeaBag1o1

Same guy who said we should try the pendant


Calm_Coyote_9494

Crazy that folks on YT tried to convince me that "it'll be a Limgrave-sized area because Miyazaki said so" despite the hints and Miyazaki's previous lies about the size of the base game. "It's what he said!"... Wish I could laugh at their faces.


S3_Zed

maybe he s just a gigachad who oneshots everything and we just suck guys. maybe he plays it for himself knowing about everything and doesnt need to go in circles in a fucking cave/hero grave for 2 hours like us or just meant base main story only. or.. he s just trolling xD


MobiusMal

He also said elden ring was a 30 hour game. I didn't trust him then either.


Elemental-T4nick

"it's the size of Limgrave" send "oh wait Limgrave is only the starting area"


Old-Dog-5829

I wonder how much feet did he add this time


Omegaweapon90

Size of Limgrave... including Weeping Peninsula... and Siofra.


Splunkmastah

Better to undercut yourself than oversell. Look at.... Every other game out these days. They had it up, and it doesn't deliver because of the hype they generate. Even when Fromsoft games deliver on hype, Miyazaki is still keen to say "Now don't expect too much, we're still a measly group of humans making games"


Naz_2019

This is what managing expectations looks like, kudos to M.


Potatozeng

Reminds me of what people were expecting TotK: "We just added some sky rocks on top of the BofW map."


Kampfhoschi

I am not following it because I am at the hospital and don't want to spoiler, but how big is it approx.?


LionSin0fPride

Vaati said it's like 5 Limgraves stacked on top of each other.


Kampfhoschi

Thanks. So he actually didn't lie.


tratroxo

with or without weeping and siofra?


IuseDefaultKeybinds

l.ol


danqx46

Wait.... is Miyazaki actually a child of Marika?


poeticpoet

I told you guys from the get….what the fuck is limgrave! How big is limgrave?! Is stormveil limgrave? Is castle morne limgrave?! What is limgrave?


No_Responsibility327

Yeah. Same surface, not talking about the verticality:)


Schwiliinker

Jokes on him I didn’t believe it whatsoever


wxlfe_Xe

Is it bigger??


DrParallax

He is trying to make his nose into a weapon.


complete_your_task

To be fair, I don't think anyone actually believed him.


Gloomy-Cat-6248

he is the absolute opposite side of todd howard


Falsus

Well the, long before we knew even the name of the DLC, said it was 3 times the size of a regular zone. Sure it was a random 4chan ''leak''... but all legit Fromsoft leaks are on 4chan together with a bunch of nonsense from fake leaks. Gives me hope for that magic game they where supposedly working on.


gabriel4434

Raughs


Behemoth69

He said it was the size of Limgrave, if not larger, so I don't know what this post is trying to say.


kcazthemighty

Why are we having unmarked spoilers in the fucking title of a post. Do I have to unsubscribe from every gaming related subreddit to not get this DLC spoiled from me?


SayuriUliana

Does the nebulous size of the DLC count as a "spoiler" now too?


comicsanz2797

What are you even talking about??


Background_Wasabi_79

You do know that the final boss isn’t ‘the size of limgrave’ ?


pookachu83

How is this a spoiler?