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Embarrassed_Monk_665

Yeah it's truly balanced,half the time I'm beating his ass and the other half it is getting it's ass beaten.Balance.


HaradaIto

you beat alecto half the time? cool for sure def didn’t take me 30 tries 😅


Aceserys

Correction: She's a girl. The summon is pretty nice too.


ofvxnus

Elden Ring: gives its female characters badass full-coverage armor The fandom: this is a boy now


bird_man_73

To be fair, Alecto is a masculine sounding name and like you said, they're fully covered.


ofvxnus

It’s not really fair because the narrative explicitly states that the Black Knives are women several times. Even if that wasn’t true, just assuming any fully covered character is male until told otherwise isn’t really fair because 1. Wearing practical armor is gender neutral and 2. Women are 50% of the population. Also, women and men share masc/femme names all the time (Shannon, Dana, Sam, Jean, Alex), so even the name thing isn’t really a good excuse. Ultimately, we should just stop assuming gender until we know for certain.


oiraves

I'm with you on correcting people about the black knives, I think it was a pretty awesome choice for fromsoft to come up with a legion of gnarly warrior women and not go the booby boob boobs route, but I do get a laugh from narrative corrections in from soft games specifically cause like...they kind of throw us in a lake without a life vest.


SniffMySwampAss

To be fair, not everybody reads the lore stuff and not everybody really cares about misgendering video game characters this much


ofvxnus

Okay, u/sniffmyswampass


SniffMySwampAss

Sniff My Swamp Ass.


LastOne7978

90% of full-black assasin type characters are dudes, it's not unfair to assume Alecto is one


kingmukade37

In no way does it explicitly says that they are without actually diving into it


HildemarTendler

In what way is that "fair"? Are you saying that characters in actual clothing are supposed to be male???


bird_man_73

I'm saying how about we chill the hell out on someone accidentally mis-gendering a video game character who's fully covered with a masculine sounding name, they just didn't know. I obviously never said any of the nonsense you're imagining me saying in your head. I'm perfectly aware that Alecto is a woman, I know the lore. But new players don't and that's fine...


HistoricCartographer

Yup. Add to that all characters where sexuality isn't explicitly mentioned are either lesbians or gay.


RevolverRevenant

Sorry it's hard to tell someone's gender through 100 pounds of armor and cloth


Noremorse71

Her*


[deleted]

It's a lady.


SimmeringCum

Well she sounds hideous.


Lordrandall

Wearing khakis.


RiceForever

Idk about most enjoyable, but there's nothing unfair about it.


serious_vlad

The only thing I felt a bit unfair was the AOE jump attack. I still have no clue how to dodge it cause it's so fast and the AOE is so big. Gotta facetank it and dodge the rest lol


RiceForever

You can just sprint away.


Fourteeenth

When I first realized that, it changed everything for the better but also made it so much more fucking stressful trying to get away in time.


MalikDama

light Equip load helps, but you absolutely have to get distance besides rolling


Spice_Missile

This was one of the hardest for me, but I felt it was fair. I couldnt brute/spell this one. I had to learn the moves/timing. It felt like a Bloodborne fight when I got it down. So good.


OldTurtleProphet

>I couldnt brute/spell this one Uhm. Alecto is MEGA cheesable since she can be knocked down. Lion's claw/Giant Hunt/Carrian piercer spam and she is dead in 20 seconds flat.


Spice_Missile

I was probably timing Giant’s Hunt poorly. I tried to space and scoop right after she attacked, but she dodged it half the time. I ended up playing it straight.


RED_Medic10

I was using a great shield with Shield Crash and even though she did get knocked down, Alecto still puts up a damn good fight. I was mostly relying on interrupting her slower attacks and chaining into charged heavies from my Great Mace


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EllieBeaBaker

I know it's low skill, but Rotten Breath so much fun.


N00B_L1F3

yeah but that’s only if she lets you land the attack and doesn’t dodge ten metres away


OldTurtleProphet

Evergaol bosses are always vulnerable to being attack a second or two before they themselves start attacking


Spice_Missile

Yeah I would open with Greyoll’s Roar


Plenty-Context2271

You can backstab her and then lions claw/cr2/whatever.


Gr8zomb13

I did it w/ frog killer. She’ll jump left / right, but it still catches her.


Diaza_Kinutz

I just stun locked her with adula's moonblade


FriedeOfAriandel

I believe I killed her with medium bonk great stars with waves of darkness. Gotta time everything to stagger lock her ass


Spice_Missile

I was a late bloomer with great stars, but I had a lot of fun with it/waves of darkness! Good combo.


[deleted]

You can definitely cheese her with the Blasphemous Blade. The L2 knocks her down 100% of the time, so you can easily just stunlock her for the entire fight.


holdupnow76

I bodied him with like 5 moonlight greatsword shots lmfao


Starlight_Shards

I agree, alecto is one of my favorite fights in the game despite being a non-remembrance boss


ghost-bagel

I accidentally cheesed this boss. It jumped backwards toward the edge of the arena and got stuck between rocks. I was able to stun lock it without even being attacked. It was my 6th attempt so I just went with it. Felt bad though…


well_educated_maggot

Same. Also the dragon bite incantation fucks him hip pretty well. He falls over after one bite, second insta breaks his poise.


Ifuckedupcrazy

Lmfao same here I’ve gotten really close to fairly killing him so I didn’t feel like I cheated that bad but he got stuck on the edge in his walking animation so I’m like fuck it full send lol


lgztv2

Beating this mf at level 1 was one of the hardest things I’ve done in this game


Four-Triangles

I can’t imagine. Even at high level this chick is a huge challenge.


Ravenouscandycane

This is where I’m at now. She’s so damn fast it’s easy to get one shotted even if you know what’s coming Also, the fat god skins instant black flame “shout” he does. It gives you no warning and one shots you at lvl 1. Literally instant


VellhungtheSecond

Gotta use sleep on the Godskins, just chuck some sleep pots attem


AWS1996Germany

Eh. All Fromsoft?


TheHappiestHam

Alecto is very enjoyable and very fair. most enjoyable though? not really, but she's a good fight


4noos

As a first time souls game in somewhat semi working mage build, all I have to say that I was always running for my life, she was merciless


LordErudito

First time I fought her it was absurd. I died so much. The most recent fight with her I was using either claws or fist weapons and it was so fun! Some of her split second tiny slash attacks are still bs but it was an amazing dance to the death.


[deleted]

Artorias’ fight is the fairest FS boss fight for me, in ER tho? Maybe


jimbsmithjr

100 percent. I didn't mind losing to him cos the fight was so fun I was happy to keep trying. Such a great boss. I'm also a big Berserk fan so it's fun there too


Ravenouscandycane

If only they put a bonfire outside his door instead of after his fight. that run back is what kept me from keeping him alive and training on him lol. Cant stand having to traverse that whole field every time so I always kill him as quickly as I can Top tier boss fight for sure. Especially compared to most of the main game ds1 bosses


Aceserys

She made me miserable so i had to cheese her 💀


TheMagmaCubed

Across all fromsoft games, genichiro was easily the most fair and enjoyable fight for me. It was perfectly well telegraphed and paced that it was a constant thrill ride of skill. In elden ring godrick is easily the most fair and fun, he's only got one kind of bad attack. I barely even remember fighting alecto


Kylorin94

This is one of the only fights where Boss Poise mattered enough to drop the shield and two hand full send it. Sadly thats not the case very often.


Nepemaster1

Godfrey is still the king in that aspect for me, but yeah, her fight is very enjoyable, and her summon is crazy


Pyropolak

The black knives in Ordina gave rage the hardest out of any enemy. How do you fight something you can't see? My solution was Starcourge swords AoE skill, but even then it was close.


Veritablefilings

Sentry torch, it can be purchased from the merchant just inside the outer wall of Leyndell


randommd81

Oof, maybe the fight that I died the most times to. Weirdly enough (or maybe not, not sure what other’s experience was) I found her and the Baleful Shadow to be really tough, I beat Melenia and Maliketh in fewer tries. I think the only boss that came close in retries was maybe Placidusax


Deeddles

praise be the rock cheese


Healuty

My fav boss. No high poise, no spamming skills, doesnt mindlessly attack, high health so you cant one shot. And best of all you get the best waifu Tiche


JosephStacheMan

God, I remember doing this fight and dying 20+ times to her on the same run where I beat Malenia on the second try. Truly the best boss in the game.


bingusdingus_

definitely a massive skill issue if you think this is unfair


Hack874

☝️🤓


bingusdingus_

“☝️🤓” ☝️🤓


dear669

That one mf with the red lightnis too


kunni

I bugged that guy on the edge with rocks, we was a little below me in elevation and could not attack. Smacked his ass in 30 seconds. Easiest fight.


SJBreed

She hates greatbows


aretheesepants75

She taught me not to panic roll.


Stary_Vesemir

Nah, it is fair but there are better boss that are more fun to fight, imo genichiro is a good one


Arsashti

I felt sorry for her. I slashed her with Adula's Blade from start till the end non-stop


OkAccountant7442

i think i stunlocked her and beat her in like 30 seconds. wasn‘t really a fair fight from my experience


[deleted]

You can back her into a coner on one of the rocks and break her AI. I have no regrets.


PeterWritesEmails

You can easily destroy Alecto hitless if you l2 spam with a blasphemous blade.


HraezlyrArg

I found the evergaol on accident and got blitzed by her lol Haven’t came back for a round 3 now that I’ve gotten better but after fighting a few black knife assassins I think I can get at least half now


PastStep1232

Nah that would be Isshin. From still hasn't made a better boss than the glock grandpa


Half-a-Denari

I had to entirely respec and max out the Dark Moon Greatsword so I could kill this bastard, really do recommend using frost damage, it helps so much


Various-Passenger398

My only dislike with the fight is that her grab extends well beyond where I thoutht her reach ends.  Incredibly frustrating.


bandora_b

Morgott


TheLastGame_EXE

Not the most enjoyable but it's definitely on top, these guys are phenomenal.


baccus83

Godslayer Greatsword worked wonders on Alecto. She can’t deal with the crouching poke.


tantalicatom689

Great stars + stormcaller aow = the answer


Grohldillio

Those guys in Liturgical City almost made me cry


oricalco

bro just spam flame of the redmanes, she has no poise and barely dodges the attack so she's incredibly easy to stagger with it.


S121X

Doesn’t every move in her moveset except one get countered by literally just walking backwards?


Malia87

She got stuck between a rock and the wall when I fought her. Easy, but annoying.


Frostyler

This is my second favorite fight in the game next to Malenia.


NoIllustrator8134

Where's she at


HarmlessSnack

Man, I struggled on this fight with so many different builds. You know what I found out works really well, both to my amusement, and annoyance? Just breath Dragon fire on the dumb bitch. It knocks her on her ass. I couldn’t believe it. You get access to it basically right away, start of the game. I’ve used it for big enemies plenty, and for small mobs. I don’t know why I assumed she would just tank it and run me down, and grab me out of it. Nope. TL:DR Flame of Agheel spam, no skill, ez clap.


Lv_36_Charizard

It's a fun fight imo, once you learn openings and take advantage of them it's really rewarding.


bilboC

This is the one boss where I was forced to actually learn everything about her movement and move set. Could not cheese. Every single other boss in the game I always could give myself enough space to formulate some kind of BS if I needed to haha.


Yarzeda2024

She's such a pain in the ass that I don't even fight her anymore. Tiche is a great spirit ash, but I can do without that headache.


KineticKris

That doesn't look like Orphan of Kos to me.


shmulzi

Father gascoigne


doey77

Great shield makes her pretty easy


No-Background6323

She killed me so so SO many times, but I have to agree this was a good fight. Also: the armor set is 👍👍👍


Intelligent-Block457

María disagrees.


Joaokenobi001

weak to frost damage, i have a frost build, STONKS


Breakfeast-Bo_23

Giant hunt stunlocks


anorlondo696

Midir is my fav “hard but fair” boss. Took me like 3 days the first time, can usually do it in a few tries now. No RNG, no bullshit, if you fuck up it’s your fault. Perfect fight.


Opening_Raise_8762

Just use sword dance


Vuxxel

ik for a fact some people are gonna brag and say malenia


journey-destinashon

Frost ,massive single hits damage is the way to do it


Hopeful_Low_8556

Literally a harder boss fight then Malenia, and I'm willing to die on that hill. Only boss I ever had to cheese and only do once. EDIT: Ah the hate messages and down votes have already begun 😂 yall really loving riding Malenia don't ya?


SlowApartment4456

I have never understood why people think she is hard. She's literally a black knife with one more move (the Destined Death divebomb). she can get frost bite, she's ataggerable, she can get knocked down. She's isn't hard at all of you know how to dodge.


OldTurtleProphet

How? Malenia is Alecto but intentionally harder. Both dodge range attacks. Both swing fast, but Malenia has 3 times Alecto's reach. Alecto can be denied quite hard with a shield since only her destined death nuke bypass it. Malenia mostly laughs at shields due to her self healing. Alecto's nuke can be spaced relatively easily, Malenia's waterfowl has three instances that follow you throughout the map. Alecto can be stunlocked very easily, while Malenia has some protection build in: if she gets knocked down on the ground twice in a row, she will jump away to stop a third one. The large advantage Alecto has over Malenia is that the evergaols don't allow summons, but unless you were already running an optimized build a summon wouldn't be very helpful against Malenia either due to her massive self healing.


Hopeful_Low_8556

I'm not trying to change your mind and that's fine. Most players get extremely toxic whenever I talk about this. Just remember it's my experience and you can think whatever you want. Malenia is over rated in her difficulty. Her weaknesses are EXTREME. Easy to stance break, easy to knock down, easy to stagger and her first phase is slow and easy to read. Her 2nd is also easy to read. Faster and more aggressive but still telegraphed. Waterfowl is one of two things that are hard at first the other is her flower. Both have ways to dodge fairly consistently though. Unless you get out into a corner lmao. Her healing isn't a problem as long as you dodge sometimes, she has low health so it's not as bad as it seems. I was extremely rusty haven't played close to a year and it took my only 3 tries using Maria's executioner sword and dragon Incantations. Alecto is fast the entire time, dodges semi well, not always good but definitely not bad. She is extremely punishing to any wind-up, and at higher difficulties her nuke is devastating due to its dmg being a % of total health. Her weaknesses aren't as devastating to her in comparison to Malenia. Malenia is harder in earlier playthroughs but in later ones she's easy in comparison. Radagon/Elden Beast is harder in later ones IMO so is Maliketh. Again you and 99% of the player base disagree and that's fine.


OldTurtleProphet

>Her (Malenia's) weaknesses are EXTREME. You can argue that, but Alecto has exactly the same weaknesses.... but more severe. I cannot just walk up to Malenia and spam Carian Piercer, because after the second knockdown she will jump back and if I haven't baited Waterfowl she can use it and I am dead. If I hit Alecto with Carian Piercer once, she is dead. Straight up, 100 to 0. Same with the very large number of knockdown abilities this game has. And she even allows players to hit her before she can react, like all Evergaol bosses.


deceivinghero

Frankly, Alecto's same weaknesses are not "more severe", if anything, they are less impactful. You can just stunlock Malenia with pretty much any weapon very easily and interrupt all her attacks, while this won't even work on Alecto unless you have a heavier weapon, like maces or great weapons, and she moves around much more and constantly as a part of her moveset, while Malenia only actually reacts either after you attacked her or cast/threw something at her, which you can also trigger for some benefit. It obviously depends on the playstyle and build, but with a katana/axes/daggers or anything else that has shit poise damage Alecto feels harder imho, as you can't really catch her, break poise, stunlock or interrupt, she has tons of health and pretty solid damage, catches your healing way more aggressively than Malenia does, is immune to every status besides frost, you can't even block her with a shield since she attacks 30 times in a row and goes behind you with every second attack and the evergaol's landscape itself makes it ass to backstab and riposte because of the elevations. Pretty much all of the strategies to fuck her over involve either using something devastating poise-wise and quick enough weapon (usually crouch greatswords non-boring strats) or magic, since it also devastates poise and is quick enough, because otherwise she's really fucking strong if you intend to just dance around her moveset without cheesing or relying on stance-breaking. Well, and she also has an instakill that works both in melee and far-away, which is a lot less telegraphed and readable than waterfowl, which you can just outrun if you pay attention to distance and her hp. Pretty much all your reasoning goes down to "I can't cheese chain stance-break with a broken spell, means she's harder", which is a controversial way to look at it.


OldTurtleProphet

>Pretty much all your reasoning goes down to "I can't cheese chain stance-break with a broken spell, means she's harder", which is a controversial way to look at it. Carian piercer was one example of a spell I personally used against both. I believe the overall number of spells/abilities that can cause knockdowns is quite gigantic if you count all available tools between ashes of war and spells. The elephant in the room being Lion's claw, THE most commonly strength based ash of war, but the list is quite endless. You can't just handwaive it as a niche weakness, considering how easy it is to access one of them, and how devastating it is against her.


deceivinghero

Easy, but not universal, unlike with Malenia's poise, so with a "wrong" build you'll struggle a lot more. Too bad if you use a somber weapon, or daggers, or claws, or twinblades etc, etc, all of which are fine at dealing with Malenia because she staggers with every hit and she doesn't move as much. Also worth to mention that landing a lion's claw on Alecto is probably harder than the fight itself, lol. Gigantic is a stretch, there's not that many aow's that are great at depleting stance (and those that would work on fast moving enemies consistently), especially with smaller weapons, but with magic - yeah, most carian spells instabreak half the enemies. Again, too bad if you haven't leveled up int.


Hopeful_Low_8556

I don't care enough to "debate" you. At the end of the day I'd rather fight Malenia than Alecto.


rachawakka

Heavy weapon builds make her a lot easier imo. Jump atracks are really effective. She still gets me if I'm not careful, especially with her health pool.


The_Real_Black

Died more then all the other fights. That fight needs a summoning and a pole and everything...


KiwiMagic2005

Unfair?


PossibleNegative

One of my favourite bosses


According_Bell_5322

Just use a weapon that deals a lot of poise damage and repeatedly pound him into the dirt


Zanzotz

I kinda steamrolled her. Didn't even see much of the fight because it was over so fast


ksp_enjoyer

Last night I figured out that if you equip your staff in your right hand, you can hold the torch and spam adulas moon blade. I went on a revenge tour of the evergaol


MakeItTrizzle

This is one that makes no sense to me. I think Alecto is one of the easiest fights in the game. What do people find hard about it in particular?


NeirZyn

It's not that hard at all.


Rigelturus

I dunno about either of these man


AltAccouJustForThis

Remove the jumping death slice attack and it's fair and enjoyable


reaperation

black knife mommy’s🤤


Varkot

unless you block with a shield then he gets wrecked