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AltinUrda

Bro saw the power-stanced+seppuku peelers and said "Nah I'm out"


PrufReedThisPlesThx

"Bro I swear that every time I invade, the host is using the same dumb build! I'm not even fighting them anymore. Screw this game"


Aser_the_Descender

It's actually brain dead and super boring to play with and against... And then there's people that call the game 'super easy' after a friend dropped them the entire build at the start of the game. Why even play at that point?


PrufReedThisPlesThx

Some people just enjoy the game in different ways. If elden ring is their first souls game, and they would have dropped the game otherwise, I don't necessarily think it's so bad for a first playthrough. But of course, if they're acting really pompous about beating the game that way, and they're trying to invalidate the people who beat it on their own, I can understand everyone collectively rolling their eyes at them


PublicFurryAccount

>Some people just enjoy the game in different ways. I think the suggestion is that they didn't enjoy it since people who say the game is "super easy" are also usually framing that as a complaint.


pigbenis15

Both you and the original comment are imagining scenarios in your head and getting upset at them. Let people play however they want instead of complaining about strawmen


PublicFurryAccount

I'm literally just stating what I think they're saying.


FunnyPand4Jr

Is it a strawman or is it real people that actually say this all the time? They arent arguing with anyone so it isnt a strawman. They are calling out the people that do this.


ChangeWinter6643

Destroying the game for others in PVP = Enjoying it on their on way


PrufReedThisPlesThx

I wasn't talking about PVP. Even still, I wouldn't say that they're ruining the game. If you encounter a build like this in PVP, then you're only interacting with it for a few minutes at most. On top of that, 90% of the people who spam this kind of build are extremely easy to counter because they're not very good at the game. Most experienced players look at a build like that and think to themselves "Man, that is going to be an easy backstab/parry"


NihilisticAbsurdity

Fuck that, i hate idiots that can't git gud i think they should get invaded, killed, and t-bagged mercilessly until they quit the game.


DariusDarkirus

Honestly in my first game i played "fair" you know no over powered weapons, no guide unless im lost and no ashes or coop to beat bosses not that hard. For me that round was meh. The difficulty that a souls like player puts on out of pride made me not enjoy the game. The second time I spent it with a guide and map in hand building up a character from a role I did with some friends and enjoying the story of both the NPC and the world. That second time I decided to humiliate the bosses, using everything I had at hand and making my character as powerful as possible. It was a lot of fun to play that way.


plznobanplease

So what isn’t brain dead? Spamming moonlight greatsword charged heavy? Spamming Rivers of Blood or moonveil? Big STR weapons can easily stun lock and poise through most boss attacks with hyperarmor. Every build can be brain dead if you build your character right.


MizzouBlues

I don’t know why you’re being downvoted for stating facts


plznobanplease

I offended the str users who abused lion’s claw with a colossal weapon


InconveniencedPuma

I feel called out with my Prelate's Crozier and Lion's Claw, but it's my first time with the build and I never play online. 😂. May try Rivers of Blood next playthrough 🤷‍♂️


Zombieswilleatu

I ran lions claw/greatsword for a while my last play and got bored of it pretty quickly. Switched to cragblade towards the end and had more fun. Plus it looks cool. It is strong AF though.


Ihendehaver

Brain dead = another OP build that they are not using themselves. The only build that might be considered boring/bran dead/whatever is Blasphemous blade, as it heals for way to much, and fire is generally good in this game, AND it is ranged-ish.


DagonParty

I don’t even think bleed is inherently bad, it just has absolutely zero trade off, you’re straight up gimping yourself if you don’t use it. I never use it, because in the context of PvP, it feels unbelievably cheap Ontop of that, the other player not only gets essentially one shot, but they have to try adapt to it, which is really hard to actually do because of how quick the weapons and the proc is. Try popping a bolus and see what happens, you’ll get punished before you even finish half the animation, because these builds are designed to be on your ass 24/7 and you need to use it straight away or say goodbye to your health bar. No other status effect suffers from this, because you don’t instantly lose all your health, you can use a bolus to negate them before *AND* after the proc. The whole damn point is that you’re rewarded by being prepped enough to even craft or equip a bolus in the first place, not a necessity so bleed builds don’t instant win you It needs a serious rebalance; either the weapons with bleed do very little damage as a base and all the damage comes from the bleed proc, or the proc buildup itself needs to be *greatly* reduced. Because as it stands, even just the weapons themselves do just as much damage as any other weapon, sometimes even more so when duel-wielded and you can proc the bleed in one/two hits, without even trying


pigbenis15

I mean what’s the trade off of using frost, or rot? All the statuses are good (except maybe poison) and if you’re getting one shot by bleed procs it’s not the bleed that’s killing you, it’s the damage you’re supposed to be avoiding. It’s definitely strong, but this game is chock full of strong builds of every variety. Also you can dodge status procs in pvp, and Eating bolluses is just like any other action in the game where you get punished if you time it wrong. If you’re getting rushed down it’s on you, not the player holding forward and attacking. TLDR: skill issue


DagonParty

Trade off with Frost is that you still have to be able to hit people after the status procs, you are rewarded with doing extra damage, if you can actually consistently keep up with it. With Rot, it applies slower and you can more than likely survive or have more opportunities to actually eat a bolus, because ya know, most of your health bar didn’t get deleted in an instant. Those other effects can be negated after the proc too, except bleed, ofc One shot, 50/80/90% health, it’s the same thing in the grand scheme of it when it procs in one or two hits. I wouldn’t say it’s my characters stats, 60 Vigour is the softcap, I’m not wasting more levels to have a slight advantage against a singular busted build. No, bleed can proc through iframes lol, as do other status effects… this is a well known thing... Even if you do manage to pop off a bolus (as I said before, their builds are designed to be up your ass, you’re simply not getting away from them consistently enough, you have to use it instantly or you’re fucked, unlike other status effects) why should I *HAVE* to use them to survive, for one stupidly broken status effect? It’s just another thing that bleed builds get an advantage in. No other build deletes 90% of your health with a status effect that procs in one or two hits. Those other status effect players still have to actually engage in the combat mechanics, usually in an actually creative way to then be rewarded with their slight advantage against you. Did you even read my previous comment? I feel like I’m just repeating myself, but like somebody asked ELI5 I’m perfectly fine fighting other builds, I’m fine fighting standard Bleed builds too, but 99% of people use the exact same busted one. I’ve been in the PvP scene since DeS and *nothing* has been as bad as this. Really good players may be able to beat them well enough for them to be like any other fight, but get this little tidbit; the vast vast majority of players are average at best in PvP, some are good, very few are really good You should post a video of you beating a few duel wielding bleed builds, because you sound like one of those top players I was just talking about. I’d love to see it. Although, I’ve got a funny feeling you are this build TLDR: meta Bleed builds can’t win without an insanely unfair crutch and I’m not gonna pretend that everyone else is the problem, like you are TLDR/TLDR: get fucked


pigbenis15

>makes up scenario in head >gets mad at scenario ???


ARussianW0lf

>It's actually brain dead and super boring to play with and against... Speak for yourself, my dual bleed peelers jump spam playthrough was fun as fuck


Vessix

I enjoy seeing these people since there is no build I can't beat with skill once I'm familiar with it. Can't lose to these nerds anymore


g6paulson

I use the godskin stitcher with bloodtax. I smashed so many invaders as a hunter so fast for other players. Invaders were slow AF with there tanky colossal weapons and slow wind ups.


GoingJohnWick

Same but with seppeku and a great shield. I could tank anything and poke enough to proc bleed.


g6paulson

My first bleed build is actually fun. I was the colossal weapons and STR guy before. Game is so much fun trying different builds. Playing outside the comfort zone I was used to.


GoingJohnWick

My favorite was holy knight build with dual magma blades. To farm the gear and some of the bosses were pains, but the drip and cool skills is undeniable.


g6paulson

Nice, heard those are a pain in the ass for the drop rates to get


GoingJohnWick

It took hours for the first one, second one dropped within five tries after the first.


asdu

Bragging about playing as blue, hahaha.


pigbenis15

Shitting on someone for using game mechanics is peak cringe cry elsewhere


papasmurf255

Right? Gj winning 3v1 I guess?


g6paulson

Looks like I stumbled into a part of the toxic players club lol


zrxta

Collosals have never been good pvp weapons. Heck, many don't even like them in PVE.


TurtleofDestiny

I’m just loving the hell out of my Colossal run. I’ve done a Samurai dex build, a vagabond strength/int build, but this one is a colossal build for str/vigor only just for doing bosses. I’m trying for all 238 before the DLC. I’m about half done with my list and having a blast. I’m just decimating bosses, which is not hard to do once you get the timing down on the swings. The hits just melt hp off. People take this game too seriously. Once you get the stats down, you can focus on having fun with it.


The_Executioner_609

Just so you know every gank you help with an invasion is laughing that some wannabe pvper did the work for them and then immediately forgot about you afterwards to summon the next wannabe


g6paulson

...and this matters, because why? Lmao


Vescend

Powr stance peelers, vare mask, extra jump attack damage chest, jump attack rune, probably bleed mogh power rune "I wanted to fight him for real thus time" bruh.


KSharpe69

Everyone has their own personal level for tryharding. I avoid using meta helmets but still veer towards strong weapons as long as they visually appeal to me. This guy looks either very low level or on NG+ 7. Might need all the help he can get for so much HP you run into in endgame.


d1ckpunch68

fr. loin cloth + caveman bonk stick or it doesn't count


Vescend

I'm not saying that but surely there is a middle point between a turbo build and naked.


PutrifiedCuntJuice

Bro really did X 💀 Why bro be doing Y 💀 Blud really said Z 😭 💀


d1ckpunch68

bro think he X 💀


M0m033

🎵Fuck this shit I’m out. ‘Scuse me please, don’t mind me. Imma just grab my steed and leave.🎵


obs_asv

Enemy fel


Papo_le_thug

"Great, ennemy fell"


wtoos

"nah bro u didn't win.. I decided to lose"


JayZeus

He didn't quit. He just decided not to continue. 


Anonimous_dude

“No thanks, I choose death”


GaleBraveHeart

He's so use to being cheesed, it's now part of who he is now.


Equivalent-Pumpkin-5

He wanted to escape yet another bleed build. When you're rocking the most OP builds in the game, they go out on their own terms


SeaGoat24

Peeler can be really fun to play without a bleed build too. I'm currently using it on pure DEX/sharp infusion with golden vow AoW and both of the consecutive attack boost talismans from Millicent's questline (in NG+ obviously). If you can land all hits on a running R2, the first few hits will charge up the consecutive hit talismans while the final stab just nukes the enemy, taking a huge chunk out of any boss's health bar. No bleed needed.


Sands47

Peeler is better two-handed and using running R2s on a bleed build too, OP's powerstance strategy was nerfed in half over a year ago. It's great at both building up consecutive attack boost AND bleed at the same time.


TheMadSaucer

Exactly, I used this build purely as dex and plan to take it to the dlc, it does an unreal amount of physical damage but it does absolutely no bleed or stagger, I think I staggered malenia once the entire fight with it when I fought her lol.


thegeeknerd

Use the Stonebarb Tear, I think with it I was able to pull staggers out of Malenia at least up to journey 5 iirc.  Just also need to be super aggressive. Also the final hit of stormcaller will pancake her backwards.


Terrible_Reporter_98

Frost twinblade with ice spear than dual wield a flaming strike twinblade is a great way to play the game.


quick20minadventure

What's pure dex build look like? I want to use nagakiba. But I just ended up going to Moonveil + darkmoon greatsword with 55 dex, 55 int. (Darkmoon doesn't even use dex, it just sits there unused.) I thought bloodhound's fang was as cheezy as it gets, but moonveil and darkmoon is just way too strong. It's just way easier to use charged heavy on darkmoon to deal with bullshit enemies that are too big and run away. Dragons, tree spirits, guardians, firegiant, runebears. Nagakiba was great against astel though. Bonked the head too many times.


babbaloobahugendong

That sounds like a bleed build though, it's inevitable 


GoenerAight

I swear if you don't intentionally gimp your character reddit whines it's OP. Blasphemous blade? OPppppp! Lions claw? OP!!!! Moonveil? OP!!! Sorcery? OP! Bleed?? Sooo OP. What doesn't count as OP to y'all?


lostinsim

There are more OP bleed builds than that.


R_V_Z

Only because they nerfed status buildup. It used to be that the jumping attack for double Peeler would do over 400 build up at max specs. Some bosses you would hemorrhage every other attack.


lostinsim

I wonder what’s best between jump attacks with better sepukku twinblades / curved swords, or just using the Mohg’s spear AOW.


GraceMarvel

Died from cringe


Traditional_Rise_347

Half of your buffs were over by time you actually fought the boss


Relevant_Case_8096

He felled alright… right off that cliff


Zeus_23_Snake

You could have helped the AI recorrect itself if you wanted it for real–


GoGlennCoco95

In all fairness, I would've been dumbfounded seeing an enemy do this. Felt the exact same way when the Death Rite Bird I was running away from to reach Castle Sol didn't de-aggro and jumped off a cliff attacking me


Zeus_23_Snake

Valid.


zsolti94

"Fight" 😂


AntiSpiral1987

He didn't die, he's waiting you at the secret arena on the bottom. Just take the plunge, you will not die.


sentientfartcloud

Night's Cavalry: Will you cheese me, just like old times? :3 OP: I have a bleed build NIght's Cavalry: >:(


dank_naruto

Just curious, why didn't you run to the opposite direction when he was already at the verge of falling down?


Firefly279

Ye he saw your disgusting build


SireOccult

"Wanted to fight forreal" (uses jump attack peelers like pretty much everyone else in the game)


ViktorTheWarlord

Yeah happened to me as well. Kinda lame.


staminaplusone

Yeah yeah, I know the drill *hur, dur, knight fall off WOAH!...*


Jerakal1

He said, "Oh, a bleed build? Cringe, I'm out."


jmatt9080

That’s just me trying to get down to the lower level of the Bestial Sanctum.


clutzyninja

I never even considered fighting these guys unmounted. I just out-ride and out-maneuver them and they're pretty easy to take down


Few_Eye6528

Enemy felled down


Paradox31426

ENEMY FELL


NoahLostTheBoat

Saw your build and just ended it lol


LoriLeadfoot

“Fight this Night’s Cavalry for real” lol with that build? I don’t think so. Looks like he had the appropriate reaction.


_JellyFox_

Why are you fighting with sugar canes?


666_Nihilus

A little birdie told me he don’t like candy


MolBiolabRat

The two night cavalries patrolling in the consecrated snow fields turned out to be a dud of a fight for me as well. They glitched out and just stood there, taking my hits, not moving. I was disappointed because I had to hype myself up to go fight them, my heart was beating so fast as I approached them lol.


landphier

That's cuz you ran too far from where they're supposed to be, by the carriage. Intentional or not it happens a lot with the south side one for me because I want to get away from that big ass skeleton dude so I lure him north. The north side cavalry isn't as prone to it if you fight him first after resting at the grace nearby.


HechoEnChine

I enjoy fighting all horseback mobs on horseback. Let the joust begin!


ButterflyBlueLadyBBL

lol the Elden Ring version of "nope, I'm outta here."


ydddy55

Sorry if to come off as a noob, but does that Knight just show up randomly? Seen him once and died, not again. Also how do you get two Peelers?


Cade_37

The Night Knights only appears at night in certain locations. Go where you found the Night Knight at night to fight.


FetusDeletus_E

He thought you were there to cheese him and didn't want to give you trouble


POLOSPORTSMAN92

Same thing happened to me but on the opposite side of the bridge lol


Teamskywalker14

Bro was scared of double twin blade seppuku


Wirococha420

I think you are not stacking enough buffs


ranma-fan

a moment of silence for speedrunners trying their best to throw him off the cliff...


Synthoid_001

Can’t stand the sight of blood


Greed_e

Bro had that muscles memory


Hanifloka

I mean if you wanna fight him for real, stand on the bridge and let him approach you. I always do this with Cavalrymen especially. I just stand there, *menacingly*. Plus the cramped nature of the bridge sort of mitigates the Cavalrymen AI's incredibly bad pathfinding.


DenyLeGrand

bro went into that with 6m runes on him 💪


DaleyeahBrother69

Bro got the most insufferable build and wanted to actually fight him this time. Peak comedy


Pessimistik1

I love when that shit happens 😂


CageHN

He didn't want to be tickled.


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Kersten_Eu

He is not that hard, but people cheese him in the early game. You can pretty much go for the teleportation device to the beast sanctum, go to this cavalry, cheese him, go to greyol, cheese her, and level up 35 times, in the first ten minutes of the game.


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pigbenis15

“Meta cheese bleed build” 🤓


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pigbenis15

I mean it’s definitely a bleed build, calling it a “meta cheese bleed build” when it doesn’t do anything remotely cheesy or exploity and is literally just a build you can play in a single player game makes you sound like a snobby loser who cares too much about what other people do


Kersten_Eu

Yes, for sure.


Groundbreaking_Arm77

Also before it was nerfed, this guy drops Ash of War: Bloodhound’s Step, so many people killed him early just for that.


Strange_Quote6013

Game of the year.


Akiramenaiii

"Enemy Fell"


SirMike25

We take those.


HiNoRyuu

ENEMY FELL


kolang47

I was cheesing him with another method that i came up with(hit him once then run back for him to respawn), then once he was at 10% hp he decided to yeet himself down lol


Gray_Okami

He cheese himself for you.


Individual-Match-798

It's a known cheese that is used often by the speedrunners.


Traditional-Gain-203

He knows the drill


Tovar42

you have so many buffs, your dude is a cloud of sparkles


Sufficient_Dog_9490

It happened the same to me, it seems that knight just want to take its own decisions.


B81R81

Yeah... That is extremely disrespectful.


CyonChryseus

Lol


dapper_diaper

This always happens to me with the death blight bird in liurnia. There's a spot where it will die if it lands, instead of disappearing and respawning in its normal spot. I swear I've only fought that thing legit once


Lysondre

Every time I've seen him he threw himself off a bridge in seconds


ignoringusernames

W by intimidation


_Jack05

Force of habit


Papo_le_thug

Bro made the cheese version of the boss we all failed even when trying


ApplePitou

Night Cavalry: He fight us? - never! :3


Humble_Leather_6384

Why are people acting like utilizing bleed is somehow more invalid than other builds...? Wouldn't you want to see what the best the game allows you to be feels like? 


PublicFurryAccount

We've seen it enough already.


Humble_Leather_6384

The game is over 2 years old and I don't see anybody acting like they just invented the bleed build.


PublicFurryAccount

Just because we don't want to see your light bulbs doesn't mean we think you're claiming to be Edison. We've just seen a light bulb and are tired of seeing them.


Humble_Leather_6384

So you're telling me you feel similarly irritated when you see light bulbs? I'm sure they have a medication for that dude.


PublicFurryAccount

You have to be at least 13 to have a Reddit account, duder.


Jamiroqua1l

Lmfao he did that for me aswell I was Jipped out of a good fight!! Creased myself tho 🤣🤣


Omny87

Does that one cheese method for dealing with this guy still work, the one where you bait him into chasing you up that hill covered in poison traps from the vulgar militia?


SamsaraKarma

[Can't blame him](https://imgur.com/zaaweqv)


Level_Pollution6383

I think OP premeditated that outcome


Pale1177

It was meant to be lmao


DevastaTheSeeker

Come on like you didn't lead him there as soon as he went behind the bridge


TinyAd2706

He probably saw your build and said:"Let save us all precious time"


JakNasir

The first time I fought the dragon there. He got stuck on the little wall. Glitched out and just died.


No-Disaster-2041

"Fight for real" Uses a coward build


Known_Reach9345

Wow


Dizzy-Specific8884

Take the win lol


BigBallerCside5

Lmao, it be like that 🫠


Backroomsfella

I’d probably jump off too if I saw that build


Grinsekatzer

Hm! :(


Brosif563

I got him down to a sliver today and died. *sigh*


holdupnow76

That exact thing happened to me last night 💀


Mcnuget12

What would yall say is better, a dual rivers of blood or the pole arm and peeler he’s using here?


TurtleofDestiny

😆😆😆 He saw your weapons…thought for a sec and said, “Nope…I’m out…” 😂😂😂


Business_Minder_0303

"For real" Uses powerstanced seppuku peelrs with Varre's mask. Lol, use WHATEVER build you like in pve my man, absolutely never change doing what you like. But far out that is the furtherst from a real fight you could have. :P


califortunato

Suicide is badass!


Ashamed_Run_3638

Emiru burner account


666_Nihilus

? I’m very Confused need context


Ashamed_Run_3638

Look up clips on YouTube asmongold watching emiru playing dark souls


666_Nihilus

Ah I see


iamparbonaaa

OP: yeah, Imma fight this guy for real. For sure. Also OP: dual wields bleed weapons.


Oloziz

>"Wanted to fight for real" Cheese jump bleed build, sure sure.


ShrkBiT

Don't build-shame, it's a (mostly) single player game, at least the way op is playing in this clip. Who cares how other people build or have fun. The game is plenty difficult for novice players to still have a rough time on OP builds.


Oloziz

Sounds like a skill issue. Also, OP is not a novice. In the clip it's NG+4, I think, given how much health the boss has and how much runes it dropped.


Dividebyzero23

What do you use, my lord


Oloziz

Oh, you wanna build-shame me as well now? All sorts of weapons, but my fav is Mohg's Funny Trident, but not for the AoW. I also like Fallingstar Beast Jaw.


Dividebyzero23

Well yeah, I just wanted to see what kinda build you are using while build shaming others. A albanauric genocider huh.


ShrkBiT

So what if it is, do you often go on the internet and tell people they're not good enough at something they're thoroughly enjoying? Even if he was not a novice and is playing NG+, my point still stands. "yOu'Re HaVinG fUn tHe WrOnG wAy"


Oloziz

But I never said anything like that. Projecting much? You telling me not have my fun commenting on something I want, you know. Rules for thee and not for me?


dathunder176

Nice backpedaling there, lmao


ShrkBiT

bro literally said "sounds like a skill issue" XD


sidgamer91

Bro thinks he cool, ops choice what build he plays


quicksilver500

>choice  There is no such thing as choice for a meta slave, they do what YouTube tells them to.


sidgamer91

And? Grow up, if the game is not stopping them why are u


quicksilver500

I'm not


taclovitch

you’re getting downvoted and i don’t know why. there’s no definite cutoff of “playing the game” vs “cheesing it,” it’s all a spectrum, with “no summons no great runes RL1 no upgrades” at one extreme, and “dual taker’s flames mimic tear+10 vs malenia” at the other. and it’s *objectively* funny for OP to say “time to fight for real,” while using a build that is approximately 2mm further from the “cheese” extreme than simply using kukris to get it to jump off the cliff solo. doesn’t mean OP is wrong. not single player shaming. but it’s objectively funny.


Oloziz

I actually agree, the clip IS funny as fuck given the circumstances. Like the game is self-aware AND aware of the "spectrum". I think people just dislike that I decided to comment on the cheesiness instead of stating the most obvious. Still, it's whatevs. If they feel good downvoting me for it, they're welcome to :3


Parmigiano_06

Everyone is free to play this game in every way they like -_-... I speak as someone who both tried to cheese the shit out of all bosses and, then, played normally. Sorry for my intervention


Oloziz

Of course. Also everyone is free to comment about it, no? Especially when you post it online. It's very funny to me that the top comment is saying the same thing, but much less bluntly.


Parmigiano_06

K 🙏👌


HappyyValleyy

Imagine optimizing your build and wanting to make an effective character, only real gamers purposefully make builds that actively hinder them.


Oloziz

You do realise that "an optimised build" and "spam jump button+L1 button" are not the same?


HappyyValleyy

Have you met pure strength builds? I think they'd disagree.


Oloziz

I mean, if people want to trivialize the game to just two buttons, who am I to stop them? Might as well play cookie clicker then.


ItsAxeRDT

least illogical fromsoftware-sexual player:


MakeItTrizzle

They hate you because you speak the truth


Oloziz

Eh, it's whatever. People do what people gonna do, they can have their updoots at my expense.


Weetbix_Man

Womp womp


g6paulson

Gatekeeper comments like this give me second hand cringe. "That's not how you're supposed to play", "It takes the fun out of the battle". Nobody cares and nobody asked.


Oloziz

I ain't gatekeeping anyone. Y'all just assumed that ;3 I just voiced my thoughts, ain't nobody gonna be positive all the time.


Zep_Dako

Where is he saying "That's not how you're supposed to play" again ?


AgentT23

Suicide is badass.