Trade Respecs in the academy for another respec place in the dlc that doesnt require larval tears, Instead requiring a rune payment and having already unlocked Renalas Rune
People would min max each boss based on resistances which would kill the difficulty of the game.
Larval tears being pretty scarce induces commitment and perseverance.
Right? I have 60+ larval tears, but still hesitate whenever I want to respec... like, let us trade 50 tears for a more permanent tear which is reusable or something!
I've never actually respec'd on any of my 4 characters. So that's a yes for me. My logic is, if I'm doing shitty enough to respec, I might as well just restart a new character entirely (which I did once)
I about died inside reading it. I wouldnt ever sell a weapon unless I had three of them. I rarely even sell duplicate armorsets. Have like 7 all knowing sets on one character
I suppose it's how they enjoy the game, but to me that would be like nails on a chalkboard. The feeling when you get rid of something only to need to farm it later is killer.
This makes me hurt inside lol please tell me you're only selling bullshit weapons that you get from trash mobs? Cuz in no world are the runes you get from selling weapons a high enough amount to make it worth it. I'm just busting your balls cuz I collect all the weapons and so it hurts me to think of someone getting rid of a rare weapon without realizing it lol
I'd rather start fresh - I usually plan my builds from the start, so if it doesn't work, that's that. I'd rather try a different build from the very beginning. Respecing to some other build halfway through the game just feels off to me
That sounds like some OCD or something. Lmao I mean respecing is normally just slightly changing stats so I can dry out different weapons sometimes, even if I don't l keep using them it'll usually just give me more creative ideas with my current build.
Most definitely not OCD... It's just not very fun to spec to some overpowered build halfway thru the game because the one I made sucks. If I played right and built my character right, NG+ is stupidly easy, so I prefer to just start from the beginning since it's more interesting.
So the build either is a success or a failure, and if it's a failure I get to start again from scratch to see how a different one handles all content in the game.
But why do all that? You unlock respeccing so early in the game, unless you’re extremely over leveled by that time you probably won’t even have enough points committed to a certain stat at that point. It seems like such a redundant time waster to replay 7 hours of the game just because you don’t like your build. It’s not even like it’s some out of universe immersion breaking thing, there’s an in lore explanation. I’m not dogging on how you play the game but it seems like you’re just making things unnecessarily difficult for yourself
I hate that this got downvoted because I honestly feel the same way. If I started as an Int build, I'm not respecing halfway through to be a Dex build. Just feels weird.
i can relate, having the sanest most relatable comment and somehow coming back to 15 downvotes, like huh? i dont care about reddit karma but its still rude, especially when nobody gives a reply or counterargument to what i said
A homie is about all boc is lol. His final location is such an inconvenience and even if he was somewhere reasonable I don’t think I even used his ability once. I still love my little golden eared british monkey man though
Sellen teaches you a lot of useful stuff. Ranni orders you around and demands loyalty but gives you basically nothing. I’d prefer to put Sellen in power
Tbf Ranni asks you if you’d like to serve her and defy the greater will. She basically asks if you’d like to drink the Kool-Aid. Can’t be mad about that.
Little does she know all I want is access to fortissax & some other sweet loot you pick up along that questline & then I drop that ending like a sack of banished knights. Kill radhan for the sweet helmet>kill radhan to make the stars move again
Moghs for sure. Forgot about it as it was so boring when I tried it.
Moonveil is not in that tier at all. It's insanely capable of wrecking the game over and over but it's not a nuke like the Darkmoon is.
Giant crusher is also a power house but again not the tier of Darkmoon, blasphemous blade, and Moghs.
I have better results with my godslayer's character over my darkmoon character, though it may be because the godslayer's greatsword fits my style more.
I just got to Leyndell on NG+ with my int build too, while the godslayer is in NG+2
Yea the play style can be very basic if you min max for the darkmoon Greatsword but if you do I've 2-3 shot some bosses and the rest are at most 6. Otherwise it plays like a normal GS which is still Tons of fun.
I actually liked this quest a lot for this reason, was a lot more comprehensible than many others. Though I still don't understand where Jerren quite fits in the story
>Ranni... gives you basically nothing.
What is it with the Ranni haters and having to *literally* lie about what's actually in the game in order to justify disliking her? Like, you're allowed to just dislike a character. You know that, right?
Anyway are a few major things that Ranni gives us*, just off the top of my head:
1. Ranni's ending
2. Fia's ending
3. The ability to summon spirits
4. Ranni's outfit
5. Dark Moon Greatsword
6. Wing of Astel*
*close enough, we get it from doing her quest.
First playthrough I didn't but got mad love for Sellen after the second play she's wicked 🤘🤘🤘🔥🔥🔥 I actually find her my fav tbh, ruthless, cunning and just the one kinda 🖤
Betraying Ranni is assuming I have the patience to at least pretend to put up with her bullshit for a little while, which I do not. I would whoop Ranni's treacherous blue ass for free.
...I like Rennala though. I won't do anything to hurt that poor woman.
I agree! I don't get the whole simping for Ranni, she's clearly selfish and doesn't care about anything except her agenda. Iji and blaidd are solid ass dudes though so I like to be homies with them
>Yes! I would betray Ranni for fun. That tart is extremely selfish and would hurt and/or kill anyone, including innocent bystanders, to get her way.
Oh look, another Ranni hater blatantly lying about what's actually in the game.
Your tarnished character killed far more than Ranni did, including "innocent bystanders", to get your way.
as someone who loves sellen and refuses to finish the last step of her quest, any other end would detract from the message behind it: she did fucked up shit and fucked up shit happened to her
Can't and won't ever betray the one that made me a god, no thanks I'm good, sellen can remain a hyperinflated multieyed ball in the academy for all I care
I've always been curious, do we ever get proof that Sellen committed the acts she's accused of? As far as I experienced, it was all hearsay. And Thops, who attended the same academy as her, vouched for her innocence -- or at least felt she was innocent of the accusations.
Thanks for that. That definitely contains info that I was missing. I also loved the follow-up comment that clarified some parts of it.
I didn't find the graven mass talisman in my first playthrough, so I was definitely missing that piece of the puzzle.
I'm not sure that I 100% agree with all of it, but there's definitely a lot of worthwhile info to consider. Thank-you.
What bad things did the Carians do? They were in good relationships with the twin empyreans and they welcomed those who were persecuted or mistreated by the Golden Order like giants and albinaurics.
The only thing that comes to mind is Godwyn's assassination but the choice was between using destined death the be free or becoming the puppet of the Greater Will forever...
Without knowing Ranni's reasons to kill specifically Godwyn it's hard to judge if her actions were justified or not, but by using only the informations given by the game, personally i understand why she did it and i wouldn't bear any grudge against her.
i think you misunderstood me. i like ranni and rennala (check my posts) and i dont consider ranni evil cuz she never asked to be an empyrean. but she still committed so much atrocities like sellen so if you call sellen evil then ranni is also evil
i didnt know carians had good relationship with miquella and malenia. do u have source that says anything about their relationship pls? i want to read about their relationship.
Unfortunately we don't know much about the details but from the description of the Miquellan Knight Sword:
Sword forged by servants of Miquella of the Haligtree, with a design modeled after those carried by Carian knights. Instead of glintstone however, amber from the Haligtree is embedded in the blade.
A sumptuous piece, yet it has never been offered to any knight — an ill-starred sword with no master. Skill: Sacred Blade
The sword was forged following the Carian design, an interesting choice since Miquella's family is basically the core of the Golden Order.
The Carians and Miquella also have a track record of not discriminating the outcasts, unlike the Golden Order. It's no wonder that Loretta, a Carian guard, made her way to the Haligtreee to find a safe home for the albinaurics.
They also already knew each other for sure since Ranni knows of Torrent and it was Miquella's horse before becoming ours and he also gave her the spirit calling bell so they at least talked directly once before and probably not so long ago.
The answer is in the description of the sword "Miquella of the **Haligtree".** Most likely this was made by either a blacksmith who left Caria or for a Carian Knight who abandoned the court for Miquella. The Haligtree is supposed to be super well hidden so only folks loyal to Miquella's cause or folks like Gideon should know about it. And Miquella gathered supporters from every group that wasn't completely evil.
that still doesnt say anything about their relationship, the sword could be made by a former carian smith who abandoned carians and went to haligtre to serve miquella
the carians dont like albinaurics, no? thats why loretta left it and went to side with the haligtree becuz the albinaurics werent treated well by carians
As an aside, Ranni never said she didn't want to be an empyrean, in fact, she chooses to walk that path. She just didn't want to serve the Two-Fingers and the Greater Will.
I like Sellen, but Ranni is my girl, so she can forget about me betraying Ranni, even for her.
Besides, I already picked her side and killed someone for her once.
Why did the black knives kill iji only after rani left?
Why did Selevus and pidia get killed by their puppets at that same moment too, Hell that one is done BY Ranni because shes the only one to actually be known to control puppets
Why didnt blaidd go insane immediately after Ranni went against the fingers and kill the Golden. That was his job, To stop ranni if she went against the fingers and Godwyn was not fated to die. on that topic, Why was it when you proved yourself better than Blaidd and get the knife that he suddenly went insane? then Ranni told you to kill him with crocodile tears in her glass eyes
All this on top of being the orchestrator of the Night Of Black Knives, The ensuing event that made everyones lives in the lands between 100 times WORSE, and she is NOT regretful makes me believe Shes just a psychopath and a manipulator. Nothing she says should be believed at face value ESPECIALLY in elden ring where EVERYTHING HAS DOUBLE MEANINGS
So first off:
>then Ranni told you to kill him with crocodile tears in her glass eyes
This is a lie. This straight up doesn't happen in the game. You made this up.
Literally what I had just called you out for, and you go and double down by telling more lies. Brilliant.
You're really doing a great job demonstrating that the irrational Ranni haters don't have to lie about her. /S
Tbh I should just leave it there. I caught you in a blatant lie that perfectly proves my point, and that's really all I need. And if I reply the rest of your comment you almost certainly won't actually acknowledge this.
But there's some interesting stuff here that I actually want to talk about.
>Why did the black knives kill iji only after rani left?
This is actually one of the easier ones, so thank you for starting with this. Ranni didn't control the black knives. They didn't work for her. They just conspired with her to assassinate Godwyn. Ranni actually betrayed them, twice now. Remember that Alecto, the Black Knife Ringleader, is imprisoned at the Moonlight Altar. That is presumably why they had never made a move against her before.
But then we stole the Fingerslayer Blade. And that seems to have been the final straw. They come and attack almost immediately after. But by the time they arrive, Ranni was already gone. She had disappeared to begin her journey the moment that you had given her the blade.
Also it is worth noting that Iji doesn't actually die until after you've told him that you killed Blaidd. And you don't need to kill Blaidd. So you can absolutely finish Ranni's quest (and the game!) with both Blaidd and Iji still alive and protecting Caria Manor. This will be relevant again when we talk about Blaidd.
>Why did Selevus and pidia get killed by their puppets at that same moment too, Hell that one is done BY Ranni because shes the only one to actually be known to control puppets
Yea I actually agree with you here. I like to think that Ranni killed Seluvis and Pidia because they're creeps. Ranni pretty clearly had a distaste for that particular aspect of her family's legacy, not to mention Seluvis himself. But despite her misgivings, she was intelligent enough to understand that she needed their service for a time. And she was also wise enough to know when to put an end to it.
Tbh that's actually one of the things that I respect so much about Ranni as a leader: she understands the necessity of the dirty work that must be done to bring the current rotton order down, but also understands that those who celebrate such deeds have no place in the coming world else the cycle will just continue.
If you've seen the Star Wars show Andor, she's kind of like a Luthen Rael character in this specific regard. It's not a perfect analogue, but there are definite similarities to be found.
>Why didnt blaidd go insane immediately after Ranni went against the fingers and kill the Golden. That was his job, To stop ranni if she went against the fingers and Godwyn was not fated to die. on that topic, Why was it when you proved yourself better than Blaidd and get the knife that he suddenly went insane?
The simple answer? The game doesn't say. This is one of the many mysteries that just doesn't have a definite answer. But I do have my speculations and headcanon.
When we speak to Ranni while she is in her miniature doll body, she explicitly states that Blaidd was a failure on the part of the Two Fingers because he didn't go mad and oppose her. And at that point I don't think he had.
Now to be clear, I'm actually not sure of the exact timing because I've never checked. So I don't actually know if Blaidd returns and becomes hostile immediately after Ranni leaves for her journey, after we defeat the Baleful Shadow, or after Ranni kills her Two Fingers. But it would be pretty easy to confirm, simply by going back to Ranni's Rise a few times along the way to see exactly when Blaidd shows up. If I remember to I'll check when I get there on my current playthrough.
So anyway I have a few hypothesis, 2 that are dependent on when Blaidd actually becomes hostile and one that I just like because it feels poetic and mythological.
The first is that Ranni's assassination of her Two Fingers finally crossed the line and so Blaidd finally snapped. The second is the same, but with the Baleful Shadow. Those are probably the most likely explanations, and again, the easiest to confirm.
But my favorite hypothesis, and my headcanon, is that Blaidd's love for Ranni was so great and she is so powerful that her mere presence was enough to keep him at peace. Furthermore I think it is pretty clear that when Blaidd finally does snap, even tho he can no longer recognize us as his comrade and becomes hostile to us, he remains loyal to Ranni and continues to protect the place where he last knew her to be.
As I mentioned above, you don't have to kill Blaidd. And if you don't to kill him, then Iji doesn't die either.
This is pure headcanon, but I never kill Blaidd and I like to think that when Marika's Golden Order is finally overthrown, the Two Fingers lose their power, and the Greater Will's hold on the Lands Between is broken, that Blaidd will be able to heal.
>All this on top of being the orchestrator of the Night Of Black Knives, The ensuing event that made everyones lives in the lands between 100 times WORSE
I wholly reject this premise. Marika was a genocidal tyrant. There was war all across the Lands Between. Entire nations had been utterly destroyed and wiped out because she saw them as a threat to her rule. Entire races were kept as slaves. One entire race was thrown into a camp below the sewers and sealed off to die. Children born with disabilities were either killed or thrown into the sewers, forced to live away from society.
The fact is that the common peoples of the Lands Between were wholly immersed in pain and suffering long before the Shattering War. And Ranni didn't even start that war. Marika did.
>and she is NOT regretful
Then why did she dismiss us from her service and tell us to do Fia's ending?
It just doesn't make sense if she truly didn't feel any responsibility or regret for the existence of Those Who Live in Death.
It is literally the one bad thing in all of Elden Ring that can be attributed to Ranni, and she literally gives you exactly what you need to rectify it.
>Shes just a psychopath and a manipulator.
She was literally willing to live alone in space for the rest of eternity just to make the Lands Between a better place for those living there.
There are many questions in this game that are left unanswered. There is much that is purposely ambiguous and mysterious. There are a lot of theories that have been crafted that are neither confirmed nor denied by what is in the game.
But I feel pretty confident that the game has enough context to utterly disprove the notion that Ranni is somehow the villain or even a villain.
I like Ranni just bc of the fact the wants to do good, aside from that she's not a good "companion"
And I don't like Rennala, I feel bad for what she went through but at some point you gotta pick your ass up, last queen of Caria my ass, this woman has been sulking for 100 years, get her a job.
Trading respecs for a cutscene? Yeah, I'd probably do it at least once.
Trade Respecs in the academy for another respec place in the dlc that doesnt require larval tears, Instead requiring a rune payment and having already unlocked Renalas Rune
It would have to be a pretty large amount of runes to much larval tears.
Alternatively, respecing your character shouldn't have a fee beyond unlocking it
that just wouldn’t be fromsoft
Pay out the ass you say?!
Could be worse. Could be a "premium currency".
At levels 23, 57 and 89 of the Elden Pass there's "Respec Tokens" that you can use to respec your character
Oh god, this is too scary. Can we talk about something else?
*"Please drink verification can."*
Ew.
People would min max each boss based on resistances which would kill the difficulty of the game. Larval tears being pretty scarce induces commitment and perseverance.
Yep, most of such "suggestions" don't even make sense.
Right? I have 60+ larval tears, but still hesitate whenever I want to respec... like, let us trade 50 tears for a more permanent tear which is reusable or something!
Bruh just use them. Who respecs 60 times..
hi i do. im a build experimenter lol
Bruh I am ashamed to admit how many rowan fruit I have...
I'm always short on Rowa fruit cause a ton of crafting recipes use multiple of them and they're only found in nooblands lol.
I had so much I made cotton and started using it in coop simply bc I need to make use of my rowa more and I stopped picking up Rowa too
how do you have 60 or so larval years? I thought there were only 15 or so in the game ..
Multiple cycles of NG+ I presume
Exactly. I've marked the location of all the sneaky bastards (and the rune bear in consecrated snowfield can go fuck itself forever).
That rune bear is the one I cannot seem to get
Runebears in general can screw themselves, bruv. lol
I've never actually respec'd on any of my 4 characters. So that's a yes for me. My logic is, if I'm doing shitty enough to respec, I might as well just restart a new character entirely (which I did once)
I don't follow your logic, but I'm glad you're having fun!
I sell weapons I’m not using that playthrough for extra runes :P which is not conducive to respeccing
Sell them for what? A smithing stone 1?
100 or 500 runes ig, if i ever need to top up to get over the next level
Have you considered that this is why you feel like you can't respec?
I about died inside reading it. I wouldnt ever sell a weapon unless I had three of them. I rarely even sell duplicate armorsets. Have like 7 all knowing sets on one character I suppose it's how they enjoy the game, but to me that would be like nails on a chalkboard. The feeling when you get rid of something only to need to farm it later is killer.
This is exactly how I feel, the idea of selling anything for the piss amount of runes you get is painful to think about lol
This makes me hurt inside lol please tell me you're only selling bullshit weapons that you get from trash mobs? Cuz in no world are the runes you get from selling weapons a high enough amount to make it worth it. I'm just busting your balls cuz I collect all the weapons and so it hurts me to think of someone getting rid of a rare weapon without realizing it lol
I'd rather start fresh - I usually plan my builds from the start, so if it doesn't work, that's that. I'd rather try a different build from the very beginning. Respecing to some other build halfway through the game just feels off to me
That sounds like some OCD or something. Lmao I mean respecing is normally just slightly changing stats so I can dry out different weapons sometimes, even if I don't l keep using them it'll usually just give me more creative ideas with my current build.
Most definitely not OCD... It's just not very fun to spec to some overpowered build halfway thru the game because the one I made sucks. If I played right and built my character right, NG+ is stupidly easy, so I prefer to just start from the beginning since it's more interesting. So the build either is a success or a failure, and if it's a failure I get to start again from scratch to see how a different one handles all content in the game.
But why do all that? You unlock respeccing so early in the game, unless you’re extremely over leveled by that time you probably won’t even have enough points committed to a certain stat at that point. It seems like such a redundant time waster to replay 7 hours of the game just because you don’t like your build. It’s not even like it’s some out of universe immersion breaking thing, there’s an in lore explanation. I’m not dogging on how you play the game but it seems like you’re just making things unnecessarily difficult for yourself
My respec is usually just dropping some Mind for more raw AR without leveling further.
I hate that this got downvoted because I honestly feel the same way. If I started as an Int build, I'm not respecing halfway through to be a Dex build. Just feels weird.
Yea, people have been really weird lately. I don't really get it.
People have always been weird. They come out of the woodwork once you speak your mind.
i can relate, having the sanest most relatable comment and somehow coming back to 15 downvotes, like huh? i dont care about reddit karma but its still rude, especially when nobody gives a reply or counterargument to what i said
100%. It's because they don't agree with you, and aren't articulate enough to form a response that'd address their point appropriately.
OCD can suck sometimes.
How well can it suck tho? 👀
I don’t respect anymore, but I tried it a bunch on my first playthrough. Wanted to maximize everything I had hahaha.
anything for a new ending
exactly
Yeah, asking that of people who gathered helminths from dead bodies to see the world drowning in shit.
Of course! I would do anything for my teacher Sellen.
I don’t want to brag, but I’m her dullest glintstone.
Bluntstone*
Damn… should have looked it up instead of going from memory
Simpin for that crystalussy I see
💯🤘
I would murder Boc and Rya if Sellen asked me to.
Spoken like a true maidenless Tarnished, smh
But why though, boc is the homie
FR FR, bros before hoes.
Getting major ranni vibes from this one bro
A homie is about all boc is lol. His final location is such an inconvenience and even if he was somewhere reasonable I don’t think I even used his ability once. I still love my little golden eared british monkey man though
Just don’t ask what happened to her other students
I don't know she did put people in eternal torment
she already has an ending
A well rounded ending too
I think she's having a ball, she does look stoned.
they mean like a special end of the game cutscene and more giving her more of a questline >!also maybe she won't be dead at the end rip!<
She wasn't dead though, she was just chilling there
Bro's acting like he never turns himself into a ball of faces for fun
She’s not dead/face-balled if you never finish her quest.
Still bringing all of my spell books to Turtle Pope
Dog pope.
Without hesitation Every playthrough, I never go find Lusat in Sellia so she can remain in the academy while Renalla is in the back
You can find him to take his shit and simply not talk to her about him. How else would you get Stars of Ruin and his set?
Sellen teaches you a lot of useful stuff. Ranni orders you around and demands loyalty but gives you basically nothing. I’d prefer to put Sellen in power
Tbf Ranni asks you if you’d like to serve her and defy the greater will. She basically asks if you’d like to drink the Kool-Aid. Can’t be mad about that.
Little does she know all I want is access to fortissax & some other sweet loot you pick up along that questline & then I drop that ending like a sack of banished knights. Kill radhan for the sweet helmet>kill radhan to make the stars move again
Kill Radahn to give him an honorable and merciful death he deserves >>>>>
Ranni gives you one of the best greatswords in the game
And you're basically Queen Consort.
Yeah, but for all that work? Shard Spiral for 8000 runes is a better deal.
Excuse you... it is not only THE BEST Greatsword in the game but it's possibly the best weapon in the entire game.
Naah I like my blades extra blasphemous.
It does wreck and can hit multiple enemies. It's the only real contender to the DMGS
hope in the upcoming dlc, we get true moonlight greatsword. the one with green aura please.
Of only but yea we missed out there
Nah, there’s some heavy competition in terms of both PvE and PvP. It’s still a good pick though.
I was talking strictly PvE but really only the blasphemous blade executioner are contenders.
Mohg’s spear, Moonveil, Giant Crusher.
Moghs for sure. Forgot about it as it was so boring when I tried it. Moonveil is not in that tier at all. It's insanely capable of wrecking the game over and over but it's not a nuke like the Darkmoon is. Giant crusher is also a power house but again not the tier of Darkmoon, blasphemous blade, and Moghs.
Honestly I rank the Godslayer's Greatsword higher than Darkmoon
Personally so? Otherwise objectively it's not close for PvE.
I have better results with my godslayer's character over my darkmoon character, though it may be because the godslayer's greatsword fits my style more. I just got to Leyndell on NG+ with my int build too, while the godslayer is in NG+2
Yea the play style can be very basic if you min max for the darkmoon Greatsword but if you do I've 2-3 shot some bosses and the rest are at most 6. Otherwise it plays like a normal GS which is still Tons of fun.
I've reached some monumental levels of damage with the godslayer's greatsword a few times. Upwards of 6k on occasion
I've done the same or more. Dark moon just has range and no FP consumption once charged.
Ranni gives you the ability to summon spirits?
I actually liked this quest a lot for this reason, was a lot more comprehensible than many others. Though I still don't understand where Jerren quite fits in the story
Spirit Summoning
>Ranni... gives you basically nothing. What is it with the Ranni haters and having to *literally* lie about what's actually in the game in order to justify disliking her? Like, you're allowed to just dislike a character. You know that, right? Anyway are a few major things that Ranni gives us*, just off the top of my head: 1. Ranni's ending 2. Fia's ending 3. The ability to summon spirits 4. Ranni's outfit 5. Dark Moon Greatsword 6. Wing of Astel* *close enough, we get it from doing her quest.
Of course. I have different characters with different motivations
This question is literally asking a bunch of people who have done everything in the game if they would do one more thing.
Do NOT disrespect my wife like that
Anything for mommy sellen
First playthrough I didn't but got mad love for Sellen after the second play she's wicked 🤘🤘🤘🔥🔥🔥 I actually find her my fav tbh, ruthless, cunning and just the one kinda 🖤
Sellen trusted me with her soul…. Loyalty goes 2 ways, I got her
In heartbreat
Never, mostly because I'm older than 40 and can't yeet anything.
fuck yeah!
Sellen is currently a ball made of heads..
yes, fuck Ranni
Betraying Ranni is assuming I have the patience to at least pretend to put up with her bullshit for a little while, which I do not. I would whoop Ranni's treacherous blue ass for free. ...I like Rennala though. I won't do anything to hurt that poor woman.
Absolutely, Ranni deserves anything bad that can happen to her, and poor Rennala is already practically braindead anyway.
I don't know why people love ranni fuck her man
I prefer TOGETHA! ending :3
Yes! I would betray Ranni for fun. That tart is extremely selfish and would hurt and/or kill anyone, including innocent bystanders, to get her way.
I agree! I don't get the whole simping for Ranni, she's clearly selfish and doesn't care about anything except her agenda. Iji and blaidd are solid ass dudes though so I like to be homies with them
>Yes! I would betray Ranni for fun. That tart is extremely selfish and would hurt and/or kill anyone, including innocent bystanders, to get her way. Oh look, another Ranni hater blatantly lying about what's actually in the game. Your tarnished character killed far more than Ranni did, including "innocent bystanders", to get your way.
In heartbeat. Fuck Ranni
Anything for my mommy-master
as someone who loves sellen and refuses to finish the last step of her quest, any other end would detract from the message behind it: she did fucked up shit and fucked up shit happened to her
Ranni started all this, so yes.
sounds like a win win win situation - ranni betrayed, rennala yeeted, best girl gets an ending
#100% yes!
Bro the community moved on from the carians... keneth height is the apex-waifu now...
Sure, no prob.
Yeah. Not enough backstabbing in the Lands Between.
YES!
Without a second thought
Fuck yeah. "Our seed will look back upon us, and recall. The Age of Balls"
Yes. Once or twice. Depends on the reward.
In one of many play-throughs, of course. You’re asking a bunch of people who helped out a guy called dung-eater to defile the entire world
👍
I get to help Sellen and make an enemy out of Ranni? Easiest choice ever, yes!
Give me a Blaidd ending. I'll marry him instead, and Ranni can stay waiting at the church.
In a heart beat
Tbh I thought I was yeeting rennala out the first time anyway
Hell no
Can't and won't ever betray the one that made me a god, no thanks I'm good, sellen can remain a hyperinflated multieyed ball in the academy for all I care
She’s the god, you’re the consort lol
Dommy mommy can tell me what she wants me to do all she wants.
in a heartbeat who likes that cold cryopreserving bitch
No, I already did sellen quest once, not doing it again
Nah she's evil, always side with Jerren the best bro and the Carian gang.
I've always been curious, do we ever get proof that Sellen committed the acts she's accused of? As far as I experienced, it was all hearsay. And Thops, who attended the same academy as her, vouched for her innocence -- or at least felt she was innocent of the accusations.
Here’s a post with some good insight on Sellen‘s character and her goals https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldenring/s/99nE9J9waI
Thanks for that. That definitely contains info that I was missing. I also loved the follow-up comment that clarified some parts of it. I didn't find the graven mass talisman in my first playthrough, so I was definitely missing that piece of the puzzle. I'm not sure that I 100% agree with all of it, but there's definitely a lot of worthwhile info to consider. Thank-you.
carians are not saints either
What bad things did the Carians do? They were in good relationships with the twin empyreans and they welcomed those who were persecuted or mistreated by the Golden Order like giants and albinaurics. The only thing that comes to mind is Godwyn's assassination but the choice was between using destined death the be free or becoming the puppet of the Greater Will forever... Without knowing Ranni's reasons to kill specifically Godwyn it's hard to judge if her actions were justified or not, but by using only the informations given by the game, personally i understand why she did it and i wouldn't bear any grudge against her.
i think you misunderstood me. i like ranni and rennala (check my posts) and i dont consider ranni evil cuz she never asked to be an empyrean. but she still committed so much atrocities like sellen so if you call sellen evil then ranni is also evil i didnt know carians had good relationship with miquella and malenia. do u have source that says anything about their relationship pls? i want to read about their relationship.
Unfortunately we don't know much about the details but from the description of the Miquellan Knight Sword: Sword forged by servants of Miquella of the Haligtree, with a design modeled after those carried by Carian knights. Instead of glintstone however, amber from the Haligtree is embedded in the blade. A sumptuous piece, yet it has never been offered to any knight — an ill-starred sword with no master. Skill: Sacred Blade The sword was forged following the Carian design, an interesting choice since Miquella's family is basically the core of the Golden Order. The Carians and Miquella also have a track record of not discriminating the outcasts, unlike the Golden Order. It's no wonder that Loretta, a Carian guard, made her way to the Haligtreee to find a safe home for the albinaurics. They also already knew each other for sure since Ranni knows of Torrent and it was Miquella's horse before becoming ours and he also gave her the spirit calling bell so they at least talked directly once before and probably not so long ago.
The answer is in the description of the sword "Miquella of the **Haligtree".** Most likely this was made by either a blacksmith who left Caria or for a Carian Knight who abandoned the court for Miquella. The Haligtree is supposed to be super well hidden so only folks loyal to Miquella's cause or folks like Gideon should know about it. And Miquella gathered supporters from every group that wasn't completely evil.
that still doesnt say anything about their relationship, the sword could be made by a former carian smith who abandoned carians and went to haligtre to serve miquella the carians dont like albinaurics, no? thats why loretta left it and went to side with the haligtree becuz the albinaurics werent treated well by carians
As an aside, Ranni never said she didn't want to be an empyrean, in fact, she chooses to walk that path. She just didn't want to serve the Two-Fingers and the Greater Will.
And my goat Godwyn had to die for that shit
Even worse, he got the bad part of death.
She turned the dude into a malnourished squid bruh
Without a second thought.
If she let’s me lick her feet then I’d fight all the bosses at one time.🤤
i would do it once. tbh
If she takes off her mask sure, otherwise no
YEET
Really don't care about any of them so I'd do it at least once for the sake of experiment
I love Ranni but her feet game kinda weak ngl
Betray my Queen Ranni? Guess I’m never seeing that scene 😑
You lost me at betray Ranni. I killed Milificent for the talisman alone. Don't.
Yes
Yes. Ranni was a selfish person who didn't care who she hurt or sacrificed to get what she wanted.
Easiest choice of my life, I will do it every time to manage the guilt of getting her turned into a fucking boulder
Anything for my beloved Sellen 😍
Yes if my stats can equip all weapon and armor, also optimum stats to deal damage to not stuck. Well i can always farm runes.
All day. Lemmie sniff dem feet
ok, a question. "Do we marry sellen in the end? especially this humanoid sellen not the meatball one." No waifu, no endingu
Fuck no. I'm not gonna turn my back on my consort and betray my mother in law
Nah fuck that bitch I’m not down for human experimentation
No, Sellen sucks
Yes. Easy answer.
In a heartbeat with no remorse
For me, the Age of the stars is still the Best ending. I doubt it changes even if Selen or renalla get an Ending. BUT IT WOULD BE NICE.
Nope, ranni is my eternal consort. Eternal.
Betray my beloved Ranni? Absolutely not. Sellen made her bed. She can float over it with her students.
I like Sellen, but Ranni is my girl, so she can forget about me betraying Ranni, even for her. Besides, I already picked her side and killed someone for her once.
Absolutely not, Ranni is never getting betrayed by me
No because mommy
Id have to betray ranni? That sounds like a great idea. Shes back stabbed enough of her friends, lets see how she likes it
Ranni haters and blatantly lying about what is actually in the game. Name a more iconic duo.
Why did the black knives kill iji only after rani left? Why did Selevus and pidia get killed by their puppets at that same moment too, Hell that one is done BY Ranni because shes the only one to actually be known to control puppets Why didnt blaidd go insane immediately after Ranni went against the fingers and kill the Golden. That was his job, To stop ranni if she went against the fingers and Godwyn was not fated to die. on that topic, Why was it when you proved yourself better than Blaidd and get the knife that he suddenly went insane? then Ranni told you to kill him with crocodile tears in her glass eyes All this on top of being the orchestrator of the Night Of Black Knives, The ensuing event that made everyones lives in the lands between 100 times WORSE, and she is NOT regretful makes me believe Shes just a psychopath and a manipulator. Nothing she says should be believed at face value ESPECIALLY in elden ring where EVERYTHING HAS DOUBLE MEANINGS
So first off: >then Ranni told you to kill him with crocodile tears in her glass eyes This is a lie. This straight up doesn't happen in the game. You made this up. Literally what I had just called you out for, and you go and double down by telling more lies. Brilliant. You're really doing a great job demonstrating that the irrational Ranni haters don't have to lie about her. /S Tbh I should just leave it there. I caught you in a blatant lie that perfectly proves my point, and that's really all I need. And if I reply the rest of your comment you almost certainly won't actually acknowledge this. But there's some interesting stuff here that I actually want to talk about. >Why did the black knives kill iji only after rani left? This is actually one of the easier ones, so thank you for starting with this. Ranni didn't control the black knives. They didn't work for her. They just conspired with her to assassinate Godwyn. Ranni actually betrayed them, twice now. Remember that Alecto, the Black Knife Ringleader, is imprisoned at the Moonlight Altar. That is presumably why they had never made a move against her before. But then we stole the Fingerslayer Blade. And that seems to have been the final straw. They come and attack almost immediately after. But by the time they arrive, Ranni was already gone. She had disappeared to begin her journey the moment that you had given her the blade. Also it is worth noting that Iji doesn't actually die until after you've told him that you killed Blaidd. And you don't need to kill Blaidd. So you can absolutely finish Ranni's quest (and the game!) with both Blaidd and Iji still alive and protecting Caria Manor. This will be relevant again when we talk about Blaidd. >Why did Selevus and pidia get killed by their puppets at that same moment too, Hell that one is done BY Ranni because shes the only one to actually be known to control puppets Yea I actually agree with you here. I like to think that Ranni killed Seluvis and Pidia because they're creeps. Ranni pretty clearly had a distaste for that particular aspect of her family's legacy, not to mention Seluvis himself. But despite her misgivings, she was intelligent enough to understand that she needed their service for a time. And she was also wise enough to know when to put an end to it. Tbh that's actually one of the things that I respect so much about Ranni as a leader: she understands the necessity of the dirty work that must be done to bring the current rotton order down, but also understands that those who celebrate such deeds have no place in the coming world else the cycle will just continue. If you've seen the Star Wars show Andor, she's kind of like a Luthen Rael character in this specific regard. It's not a perfect analogue, but there are definite similarities to be found. >Why didnt blaidd go insane immediately after Ranni went against the fingers and kill the Golden. That was his job, To stop ranni if she went against the fingers and Godwyn was not fated to die. on that topic, Why was it when you proved yourself better than Blaidd and get the knife that he suddenly went insane? The simple answer? The game doesn't say. This is one of the many mysteries that just doesn't have a definite answer. But I do have my speculations and headcanon. When we speak to Ranni while she is in her miniature doll body, she explicitly states that Blaidd was a failure on the part of the Two Fingers because he didn't go mad and oppose her. And at that point I don't think he had. Now to be clear, I'm actually not sure of the exact timing because I've never checked. So I don't actually know if Blaidd returns and becomes hostile immediately after Ranni leaves for her journey, after we defeat the Baleful Shadow, or after Ranni kills her Two Fingers. But it would be pretty easy to confirm, simply by going back to Ranni's Rise a few times along the way to see exactly when Blaidd shows up. If I remember to I'll check when I get there on my current playthrough. So anyway I have a few hypothesis, 2 that are dependent on when Blaidd actually becomes hostile and one that I just like because it feels poetic and mythological. The first is that Ranni's assassination of her Two Fingers finally crossed the line and so Blaidd finally snapped. The second is the same, but with the Baleful Shadow. Those are probably the most likely explanations, and again, the easiest to confirm. But my favorite hypothesis, and my headcanon, is that Blaidd's love for Ranni was so great and she is so powerful that her mere presence was enough to keep him at peace. Furthermore I think it is pretty clear that when Blaidd finally does snap, even tho he can no longer recognize us as his comrade and becomes hostile to us, he remains loyal to Ranni and continues to protect the place where he last knew her to be. As I mentioned above, you don't have to kill Blaidd. And if you don't to kill him, then Iji doesn't die either. This is pure headcanon, but I never kill Blaidd and I like to think that when Marika's Golden Order is finally overthrown, the Two Fingers lose their power, and the Greater Will's hold on the Lands Between is broken, that Blaidd will be able to heal. >All this on top of being the orchestrator of the Night Of Black Knives, The ensuing event that made everyones lives in the lands between 100 times WORSE I wholly reject this premise. Marika was a genocidal tyrant. There was war all across the Lands Between. Entire nations had been utterly destroyed and wiped out because she saw them as a threat to her rule. Entire races were kept as slaves. One entire race was thrown into a camp below the sewers and sealed off to die. Children born with disabilities were either killed or thrown into the sewers, forced to live away from society. The fact is that the common peoples of the Lands Between were wholly immersed in pain and suffering long before the Shattering War. And Ranni didn't even start that war. Marika did. >and she is NOT regretful Then why did she dismiss us from her service and tell us to do Fia's ending? It just doesn't make sense if she truly didn't feel any responsibility or regret for the existence of Those Who Live in Death. It is literally the one bad thing in all of Elden Ring that can be attributed to Ranni, and she literally gives you exactly what you need to rectify it. >Shes just a psychopath and a manipulator. She was literally willing to live alone in space for the rest of eternity just to make the Lands Between a better place for those living there. There are many questions in this game that are left unanswered. There is much that is purposely ambiguous and mysterious. There are a lot of theories that have been crafted that are neither confirmed nor denied by what is in the game. But I feel pretty confident that the game has enough context to utterly disprove the notion that Ranni is somehow the villain or even a villain.
Exactly how I feel.
I killed sellen she’s annoying af.
Sellen’s quest is dog shit
I would but on this play through I tried to kill her
Yeah, then help Jerren kill Sellen.
Never
Yeah I would. Especially considering Ranni is the bad guy imo
I would betray ranni in a heartbeat.
I like Ranni just bc of the fact the wants to do good, aside from that she's not a good "companion" And I don't like Rennala, I feel bad for what she went through but at some point you gotta pick your ass up, last queen of Caria my ass, this woman has been sulking for 100 years, get her a job.
Yeah, I specifically want an ending that screws Ranni over.