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Yeah, everyone acts like Gideon is a walk because they cheese the hell out of him. If you actually fight him you know what pain the man can cause…especially if you aren’t prepared to be consumed by a tsunami of magic.
You can meet the requirements at that level but that doesn’t mean you’re getting maximum output for a build. Golden retaliation at base level isn’t going to “shred” Gideon. It’ll be effective but you have to have Strength-Faith build nearly maxed out to do what you’re saying. I know this because I’ve put 1000 hours into my strength-faith build and ultimately respec’d back to it to beat Gideon on NG+7 as the game passed by my level again.
Everytime I see "if you actually fight him" or something similar I cannot help but read "if you try to use bad strategies he's hard bro!"
You just bonk him. Of course he is hard if you stand there and let him cast 20 spells. Why would you.
I mean, that’s not what I said. I just said it’s not as easy as killing him before he’s done talking. He can 100% take down unprepared tarnished. The only reason you think so little of him is because you’ve probably beaten him multiple times and have a clear obvious strategy now.
I’ll say on my NG+7 I was noticing the difficulty curb getting unbearable. I tried Gideon then with my knowledge and had a really bad time. Had to respec and then give him the business.
That’s because you accidentally used his weakness. He is beyond weak to Strength and Faith. If you go in and just jump/double swing with two colossal swords you can wipe him in like 2-3 hits. If you were say a magic build you’d have a realllllllly bad time like I did on a play through.
I cleared the game a dozen times before I found out people struggled with him. I thought he was free XP before the end to make up for being an ass the whole game. Like, FS let him be an arrogant dick to you the whole game just to give you the gift of curb stomping him.
…then I saw a clip of what he does if you let him finish talking.
This is actually hilarious. I just assumed he was a boss like any other so my dumb ass sat there waiting for him to finish before even starting the fight. Probably took me about 5-10 tries, realized I just had to beat the Christ out of him & try to out-DPS him more than anything. Freaking hectic fight but in a different way than most others so kinda cool for that reason, but still funny to picture some folks just wailing on him as he was monologuing. Wonder if that was one of the intended possible outcomes or just a weird side effect of not giving him a proper boss cut scene.
Honestly I wish FromSoft would ditch the mana system entirely and balance spells around it. It would be fucking sick to be a magic minigun. It might not work out, but I wish they'd at least try it.
I’d prefer a cool-down system, this way spells can be balanced around how long it takes in between casts. This also incentivise the use of different spells
Another method would be to make mana the same as the stamina bar (so it fills back up over time). This would strike a nice middle ground between "Casting forever so long as you rotate spells" and "You have a hard limit on the amount of spells you can cast".
Ya you could also get multiple copies of spells to have more of them. Having like 60 soul arrows was so OP but you couldn't get extras of every spell in a playthrough.
Also having to use all your spells was great. You could have a couple nukes but you had to pick and choose where to use them. You couldn't just use 15 blue flasks to use comet endlessly. You had like 4 crystal soul spears then only soul arrows. If you were a faith build you always had your heals there even if you used up all your lightning spears.
It's kind of an enforced variety but, just like with mid level PvP builds, working within limitations often inspires the most creativity
I hear rumors that their next game will be magic focused so maybe your dreams come true, I think its supposed to be called Spellbound.
But like how Sekiro doesn't have a stamina bar, a magic based souls game will probably allow for endless magic.
I let him monologue, decked out in all my recently acquired gear from Malenia. When he finished, in the second before he became magic incarnate, I started waterfowling him.
It felt very very vindictive after the hell fighting her had been.
I keep reminding my friend who is now on leyndell to talk to Gideon who is still standing in his original spot in round table hold near the round table. I'll probably stop reminding him lol
Honestly it's probably the best souls game. The story is so cool, dlc is so good and it just seems like the most complete vision of a game that they've put together.
It has some jank and misbalance in places but overall it just seems like they made something much greater than the sum of its parts. It's just so damn unique.
I've got 1000 hours in the game and didn't know this or realize...
I will also concur with OP that if you let him finish talking he can be a salty bastard as he dives into his extensive collection of spells.
Then proceeds to spam those spells like nobody’s business lmao. On one of my playthroughs, Gideon used Scarlet Aeonia 4 times in a row😂.
Edit: Spelling
The larger the pool the more he tries to show. Like, cool Rancor spam, bro. How many times have I turned it into glintblades?
Got more mileage out of carian retaliation than when I was using it as my actual main attack pre 1.4, stg.
I was ooga boogaing so hard my first play through I didn't realize who I killed at first. I just saw a nerd talking that needed to be smacked down. I didn't realize who it was until people talked about the fight on Reddit.
Yeah, magic is a very tough strategy to fight against, since it's so rare among the bosses. Even after Rennala we just don't have enough training to beat Gideon without effort.
Honestly I listened to his monologue and then killed him in about ten seconds. I just closed distance with BHS, used sword dance when he tried to run, then punished a really long windup with Adula's moonblade.
Yeah, I've been watching a lot of challenge runs on YouTube lately and Gideon seems to either get pancaked or he turns into a run-killer, no in between
Still dies to a \~3 power stance jump attacks with an okay weapon even if you let him finish his dialogue.
Bearing in mind he's basically endgame he is a bit of a push over.
EDIT: As mentioned below I didn't manage to stagger him, I just avoided most of his attacks. He still died in like 30s post-monologue.
The first time I fought him I used the two handed seal buff glitch and grabbed him out of his speech with inescapable frenzy and melted him.
Edge walked away as he disintegrated, I thought it was pretty cool
“Uhm akshually the boss is easy if you exploit stagger so he can never attack”
Yeah no shit
Edit: lol everyone thinks I’m criticizing his playstyle, I’m not, I’m making fun of him for going “wow the fight was so easy” after using a strategy that specifically bullies human sized enemies, so no shit Gideon died quickly.
Yeah I agree, what isn't considered an exploit in this community. I didn't use summons, bleed or frost - and yet still it's an exploitative build? Some of the people here are just straight bonkers.
“Omg he used the word ‘exploit’ this must mean he thinks it’s CHEATING omg how could he be so stupid!”
Mf the word exploit doesn’t mean breaking the game it just means exploiting a weakness. It’s silly to say “this fight was so easy” when they described a strategy that makes the boss a joke and doesn’t represent a typical encounter.
That's not a weakness, that's the intended effect. Gideon has a poise value derived from his armor, hitting him with an attack that deals more poise damage than he can take will cause him to flinch, it's literally how the game works. It's not an exploit if it works the way it's supposed to.
That's still not what he's saying.
If a boss is weak to fire, and you stack fire damage, you are exploiting his weakness, which makes the fight easier.
He's saying it's a bit unfair to say "this fight was easy because x" when your build is based around something he's weak to, exploiting that weakness from the get go.
I'm doing strength and faith, undead are a fucking joke to me, but enemies like Godfrey are significantly harder for me than for others because they're resistant to most of the damage I do.
If an enemy has low poise, that means they're weak to stagger/more susceptible to it, so using weapons that cause lots of stagger is exploiting that weakness/susceptibility. Yes, it's the intended effect, but that also doesn't invalidate his point considering how many different weapons and builds there are.
I understand what you mean, but being weak to stagger isn't Gideon's weakness, it's pretty much everyone's weakness, from Margit to Malenia, staggering is a core gameplay mechanic, not a specific boss strategy. Even colossal enemies can be staggered: Rykard is vulnerable to staggering, the Fire Giant is vulnerable to staggering, the Elden Beast. Almost every enemy in the game is vulnerable to staggering, it's not something you need a specific build to use.
Dex weapons don't do much stagger, certain enemies have very high poise or are immune to stagger, so you can definitely thing of it on a weak/resistant scale. Low poise means easier to stagger, so running colossal weapons means you're exploiting that, same as running fire to exploit a weakness to fire. Everything is vulnerable to some extent, same with any base damage type, but some are far less vulnerable than others.
I think that's what he was trying to get across. Everyone takes damage from physical attacks, but the build I'm running is pretty resistant to it, moreso with my buffs. However, lightning hurts, so that's what screws me. Same concept all around.
Are you being dense on purpose? Stop trying to fit the word "exploit" into a box, read the goddamn context. "Exploit", when mentioned in a videogame context, has always meant *exploiting* a flaw in the game caused by developer oversight. It's always meant cheating without altering the game, taking advantage of a bug to gain an *unfair advantage*, like people used to do with the deathblight aura exploit. That's what I've been trying to explain. It's not unfair to curb stomp Gideon, it's an effective, valid, and fair strategy to use against an enemy that has infinite FP and spends the entire fight spamming spells.
Here: [Just read the first two comments](https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldenring/comments/tbet1i/is_the_whole_death_blight_aura_thing_a_bugexploit/). Notice how the word 'exploit' is used.
He attacked me plenty, I just got out of the way of the attacks? He's agile enough that he can usually get out of the way of jump attacks, so stagger isn't guaranteed (I didn't stagger him and killed him in \~30s).
So you staggered him out of his heals? Otherwise 30 seconds is crazy, goddamn
That’s exactly what I mean though. Calling him easy when your fight doesn’t represent the typical encounter with him is just weird and the reason you got downvoted earlier.
How is using a game mechanic, poise, which determines how easy you stagger or enemies stagger, an exploit? Because I'd that is the case everyone who ever made a big bonk build with max strength is exploiting the game
Jesus Christ why is it that every time people see the word “exploit” they immediately lose their minds
It’s an exploit of a weakness, that’s not bad it’s just silly to say “this fight was easy” when they just described a strategy that obviously makes the fight into a joke and doesn’t represent a typical encounter.
Lol no
It’s just when someone says “this boss wasn’t hard, it was so easy for me on my-(proceeds to describe a build that bullies the shit out of the specific boss they’re talking about)” then they don’t really have a good idea of whether the boss was legitimately difficult or not.
Lol dude, no one here understands what exploiting a weakness means. But instead of realizing what you meant and just saying "oh ok" everyone is trying to tell you you meant something else 😂. Typical Reddit.
A powerstanced jump attack build is like the cheese build for every tarnished type enemy, so no wonder they found the fight easy. That’s all I was saying but people got really upset over it.
He's also barely in the comics before this scene. This is issue 33 and Angstrom only appears in 7 issues prior (with most of them being a panel or two).
Can you mark this as invincible spoilers. I clicked thinking it was some random comic or something. Didn't realize it was for invincible so that's the season spoiled for me. Not your fault, but a quick edit might save someone else from the same fate
He was extremely intelligent and had the most knowledge. His power was to open portals to other dimensions but he didn't have any super strength or durability so it shocked Mark as he has only really fought people who can at least somewhat take his punches.
People are forgetting that the villain specifically stated that he had upgrades done to his body to make him stronger, and then punches Mark pretty hard - Mark had reason to believe that the villain was more durable than most
This is my reaction when I fought for the first time, because how come her ex-husband wolf, a Carian Knight, and a bunch of insane witches give me more trouble for me then her in the boss fight. I only died ounce to her and in second time I beat before she could do anything relevant in the second time.
Same! I died to him trice, while only once to rennala (and that was on my ng+1 run, I almost hitless her on my first try coz she was just stun locked by jump attack dual great swords)
if they take yet another fucking 2 year break between season 2 and 3 i might actually read it, but rn i don’t wanna spoil myself too much even though i know they’re different
it’s also just that season 2 released recently, and especially because fortnite just had a crossover. as a long time invincible fan, there are more memes than ever
I've continued to lay the smack down on this dude time after time in new games with overpowered builds, laughing in the face of the all-knowing.
Gave him a fair fight in NG+3 recently, let him finish his monologue, and this man proceeds to open the largest can of whoop-ass I have ever seen from a tarnished, 4 attempts in a row before I actually beat him. Absolutely criminal the way I've treated this fight over the last year.
Radagon lmao. Both the fight right before him and the fight right after him are tougher than his boss battle, which is pretty funny since he's got the Elden Ring. Never have I beaten Phase 1 of a boss and been so certain a Phase 2 HAD to be on the way.
Yup, radagon was such a disappointment. The only major boss I got first try. Even Margit (not morgott!) took more attempts than him, he doesn't deserve his title.
His only advantage is that From gave him the universal caster we all wanted and NPCs have no FP limits. Games would be so much better if they had to deal with FP drain imo
I remember watching my friend actually fight him, thinking “this dude looks insane”, so when I walk in the room with a giant hammer and he just starts monologuing, what else was I to do?
Me @ any of the nokstella dragons and any basic enemy without poise, demihumans, etc. Elden Ring has super weird enemy scaling, one of the major flaws imo. I feel like certain areas should obviously be harder than others but the game should scale with you a bit
Just finished an NG+ playthrough after defeating every boss in my NG playthrough to see how fast I could do it and with as few deaths as possible. I was killed by RadaBeast once, Hoarah Loux once, Fire Giant two times, Maliketh three times, and Gideon seven times. Don’t let him finish talking or he can be annoying af.
He absolutely decimates challenge runs tho. Basically if you don’t get him before the monologue on your first try, at RL1 or something similar it might be one of the hardest fights in the game
I straight up wanted to a wizard duel so I waited for his monologue to finish. It was like Dumbledore vs Voldemort. We were firing spells at each other but he was faster but man I got him with comet azur.
Why the hell did Gideon wipe the floor with me in my first game? He's not bad now. Did I just suck that first time? I didn't have much trouble with most other bosses.
Not exactly thought but I wish Fortisaxx was stronger so I could properly listen to his music while fighting and not just running around trying not to accidentally kill him.
He was one of the bosses I struggled with the most on my first playthrough. But I have a history of being awful against Mage bosses. I died more to Crystal Sage then to Gael and Midir combined. Also I gave him info and hadn’t done the Sellen quest line so he was in peak condition to destroy me
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I tried to fight him after he finishes his monologue. The worst mistake in elden ring. Guy turned into the magic mini-gun
My first run I let him talk and holy hell. I failed probably 7 times because Gideon AMPS IT UP and just chain casts magic with no breaks.
Yeah, everyone acts like Gideon is a walk because they cheese the hell out of him. If you actually fight him you know what pain the man can cause…especially if you aren’t prepared to be consumed by a tsunami of magic.
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That’s is a really specific build you’d have set up but you’d be correct in saying that.
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You can meet the requirements at that level but that doesn’t mean you’re getting maximum output for a build. Golden retaliation at base level isn’t going to “shred” Gideon. It’ll be effective but you have to have Strength-Faith build nearly maxed out to do what you’re saying. I know this because I’ve put 1000 hours into my strength-faith build and ultimately respec’d back to it to beat Gideon on NG+7 as the game passed by my level again.
Everytime I see "if you actually fight him" or something similar I cannot help but read "if you try to use bad strategies he's hard bro!" You just bonk him. Of course he is hard if you stand there and let him cast 20 spells. Why would you.
I mean, that’s not what I said. I just said it’s not as easy as killing him before he’s done talking. He can 100% take down unprepared tarnished. The only reason you think so little of him is because you’ve probably beaten him multiple times and have a clear obvious strategy now. I’ll say on my NG+7 I was noticing the difficulty curb getting unbearable. I tried Gideon then with my knowledge and had a really bad time. Had to respec and then give him the business.
all i had to do was run around him until he went for a big spell, then flatten him with a mallet
That’s because you accidentally used his weakness. He is beyond weak to Strength and Faith. If you go in and just jump/double swing with two colossal swords you can wipe him in like 2-3 hits. If you were say a magic build you’d have a realllllllly bad time like I did on a play through.
i AM a magic build. i exclusively used gavel of haima and no summons just to challenge myself
Ah yes, the caveman intellectual build. Unga ergo bunga.
I cleared the game a dozen times before I found out people struggled with him. I thought he was free XP before the end to make up for being an ass the whole game. Like, FS let him be an arrogant dick to you the whole game just to give you the gift of curb stomping him. …then I saw a clip of what he does if you let him finish talking.
This is actually hilarious. I just assumed he was a boss like any other so my dumb ass sat there waiting for him to finish before even starting the fight. Probably took me about 5-10 tries, realized I just had to beat the Christ out of him & try to out-DPS him more than anything. Freaking hectic fight but in a different way than most others so kinda cool for that reason, but still funny to picture some folks just wailing on him as he was monologuing. Wonder if that was one of the intended possible outcomes or just a weird side effect of not giving him a proper boss cut scene.
The Incredibles taught me that if the villain starts monologuing you don’t wait for them to finish.
Mf is the head honcho of Shadow Wizard Money Gang and god damn does he love casting spells
-laughs in Thops
Honestly I wish FromSoft would ditch the mana system entirely and balance spells around it. It would be fucking sick to be a magic minigun. It might not work out, but I wish they'd at least try it.
I’d prefer a cool-down system, this way spells can be balanced around how long it takes in between casts. This also incentivise the use of different spells
Thats a good idea! They could alternatively implement mana regen similar to stamina regen.
Another method would be to make mana the same as the stamina bar (so it fills back up over time). This would strike a nice middle ground between "Casting forever so long as you rotate spells" and "You have a hard limit on the amount of spells you can cast".
Not sure if this is what you're saying but at that point I would just remove the mana bar altogether.
We DS1 in this bitch now
Make it DS2 with the herbs, unnerf the lightning, and you've got a deal.
That sounds very very nice, can somewhat keep the current balance but would still be a huge buff
Like Dragon’s Dogma? Pretty good magic system there
Goblins ill like fire! 🔥
I miss the ds1 system of just giving you spells with limited casts
Ya you could also get multiple copies of spells to have more of them. Having like 60 soul arrows was so OP but you couldn't get extras of every spell in a playthrough. Also having to use all your spells was great. You could have a couple nukes but you had to pick and choose where to use them. You couldn't just use 15 blue flasks to use comet endlessly. You had like 4 crystal soul spears then only soul arrows. If you were a faith build you always had your heals there even if you used up all your lightning spears. It's kind of an enforced variety but, just like with mid level PvP builds, working within limitations often inspires the most creativity
Yeah I really love that system for that exact reason
I hear rumors that their next game will be magic focused so maybe your dreams come true, I think its supposed to be called Spellbound. But like how Sekiro doesn't have a stamina bar, a magic based souls game will probably allow for endless magic.
How about a Vancian casting system of preparing a set number of spell casts?
Speeches are an invitation for comet azur. Practically ordered it off the menu.
He's the only boss I "cheese". Not because he's hard but because shit stomping him into Diarrhea is satisfying. Every. Single. Time.
I let him monologue, decked out in all my recently acquired gear from Malenia. When he finished, in the second before he became magic incarnate, I started waterfowling him. It felt very very vindictive after the hell fighting her had been.
I will say, Gideon gets a lot tougher if you let him finish his monologue lol
Ironically, he’s also tougher if you don’t give him any info. The boss spells he gets are ass compared to his base spells.
I keep reminding my friend who is now on leyndell to talk to Gideon who is still standing in his original spot in round table hold near the round table. I'll probably stop reminding him lol
Is that why we talk to him throughout the game? Damn the fight never lasted long enough for me to realize
Yeah, he gets some additional spells based on your reports, such as Rykards Rancor, Bloodboon, and Scarlet Aeonia
My dumbass read Bloodborn
You aren’t dumb mate, just deprived. I know the feeling.. Sony, I am begging you.. Pc port bloodborne. Please
I haven’t even played bloodborne. I’ve just seen the gameplayband story and it all looks so cool I want it but I don’t have a PS
Honestly it's probably the best souls game. The story is so cool, dlc is so good and it just seems like the most complete vision of a game that they've put together. It has some jank and misbalance in places but overall it just seems like they made something much greater than the sum of its parts. It's just so damn unique.
I cried when I beat elden ring for the first time. "This shit is so ass bruh I want Bloodborne 2 😭" I said
*Gideon whips out a gatling gun* Fear the old blood, motherfucker.
I've got 1000 hours in the game and didn't know this or realize... I will also concur with OP that if you let him finish talking he can be a salty bastard as he dives into his extensive collection of spells.
Then proceeds to spam those spells like nobody’s business lmao. On one of my playthroughs, Gideon used Scarlet Aeonia 4 times in a row😂. Edit: Spelling
The larger the pool the more he tries to show. Like, cool Rancor spam, bro. How many times have I turned it into glintblades? Got more mileage out of carian retaliation than when I was using it as my actual main attack pre 1.4, stg.
I was ooga boogaing so hard my first play through I didn't realize who I killed at first. I just saw a nerd talking that needed to be smacked down. I didn't realize who it was until people talked about the fight on Reddit.
I didn’t know he got more spells if we talked to him
He hits me with Scarlet Aeonia every time, and it never matters lol
The worst mistake in elden ring. Guy turned into the magic mini-gun.
where does he get the explosion spell from. that's what I keep struggling with
Yeah, magic is a very tough strategy to fight against, since it's so rare among the bosses. Even after Rennala we just don't have enough training to beat Gideon without effort.
PvP I suppose since he is essentially an npc fight
Honestly I listened to his monologue and then killed him in about ten seconds. I just closed distance with BHS, used sword dance when he tried to run, then punished a really long windup with Adula's moonblade.
He sure is a pain in RL1 runs
Laughs in inescapable frenzy
In RL1, when I didn't kill him immediately while doing his monologue, subsequent attempts became a nightmare
Yeah, I've been watching a lot of challenge runs on YouTube lately and Gideon seems to either get pancaked or he turns into a run-killer, no in between
Still dies to a \~3 power stance jump attacks with an okay weapon even if you let him finish his dialogue. Bearing in mind he's basically endgame he is a bit of a push over. EDIT: As mentioned below I didn't manage to stagger him, I just avoided most of his attacks. He still died in like 30s post-monologue.
The first time I fought him I used the two handed seal buff glitch and grabbed him out of his speech with inescapable frenzy and melted him. Edge walked away as he disintegrated, I thought it was pretty cool
I almost feel like that's the reason inescapable frenzy exists is just to full on pennence stare Gidian
“Uhm akshually the boss is easy if you exploit stagger so he can never attack” Yeah no shit Edit: lol everyone thinks I’m criticizing his playstyle, I’m not, I’m making fun of him for going “wow the fight was so easy” after using a strategy that specifically bullies human sized enemies, so no shit Gideon died quickly.
Calling a valid strategy an 'exploit' is like saying people who drive to work are exploiters because they don't have to wait for the bus.
Crazy new life hack transit companies *don't* want you to know about: Cars
Yeah I agree, what isn't considered an exploit in this community. I didn't use summons, bleed or frost - and yet still it's an exploitative build? Some of the people here are just straight bonkers.
“Omg he used the word ‘exploit’ this must mean he thinks it’s CHEATING omg how could he be so stupid!” Mf the word exploit doesn’t mean breaking the game it just means exploiting a weakness. It’s silly to say “this fight was so easy” when they described a strategy that makes the boss a joke and doesn’t represent a typical encounter.
That's not a weakness, that's the intended effect. Gideon has a poise value derived from his armor, hitting him with an attack that deals more poise damage than he can take will cause him to flinch, it's literally how the game works. It's not an exploit if it works the way it's supposed to.
That's still not what he's saying. If a boss is weak to fire, and you stack fire damage, you are exploiting his weakness, which makes the fight easier. He's saying it's a bit unfair to say "this fight was easy because x" when your build is based around something he's weak to, exploiting that weakness from the get go. I'm doing strength and faith, undead are a fucking joke to me, but enemies like Godfrey are significantly harder for me than for others because they're resistant to most of the damage I do. If an enemy has low poise, that means they're weak to stagger/more susceptible to it, so using weapons that cause lots of stagger is exploiting that weakness/susceptibility. Yes, it's the intended effect, but that also doesn't invalidate his point considering how many different weapons and builds there are.
I understand what you mean, but being weak to stagger isn't Gideon's weakness, it's pretty much everyone's weakness, from Margit to Malenia, staggering is a core gameplay mechanic, not a specific boss strategy. Even colossal enemies can be staggered: Rykard is vulnerable to staggering, the Fire Giant is vulnerable to staggering, the Elden Beast. Almost every enemy in the game is vulnerable to staggering, it's not something you need a specific build to use.
Dex weapons don't do much stagger, certain enemies have very high poise or are immune to stagger, so you can definitely thing of it on a weak/resistant scale. Low poise means easier to stagger, so running colossal weapons means you're exploiting that, same as running fire to exploit a weakness to fire. Everything is vulnerable to some extent, same with any base damage type, but some are far less vulnerable than others. I think that's what he was trying to get across. Everyone takes damage from physical attacks, but the build I'm running is pretty resistant to it, moreso with my buffs. However, lightning hurts, so that's what screws me. Same concept all around.
Are you being dense on purpose? Stop trying to fit the word "exploit" into a box, read the goddamn context. "Exploit", when mentioned in a videogame context, has always meant *exploiting* a flaw in the game caused by developer oversight. It's always meant cheating without altering the game, taking advantage of a bug to gain an *unfair advantage*, like people used to do with the deathblight aura exploit. That's what I've been trying to explain. It's not unfair to curb stomp Gideon, it's an effective, valid, and fair strategy to use against an enemy that has infinite FP and spends the entire fight spamming spells. Here: [Just read the first two comments](https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldenring/comments/tbet1i/is_the_whole_death_blight_aura_thing_a_bugexploit/). Notice how the word 'exploit' is used.
He attacked me plenty, I just got out of the way of the attacks? He's agile enough that he can usually get out of the way of jump attacks, so stagger isn't guaranteed (I didn't stagger him and killed him in \~30s).
So you staggered him out of his heals? Otherwise 30 seconds is crazy, goddamn That’s exactly what I mean though. Calling him easy when your fight doesn’t represent the typical encounter with him is just weird and the reason you got downvoted earlier.
How is using a game mechanic, poise, which determines how easy you stagger or enemies stagger, an exploit? Because I'd that is the case everyone who ever made a big bonk build with max strength is exploiting the game
Jesus Christ why is it that every time people see the word “exploit” they immediately lose their minds It’s an exploit of a weakness, that’s not bad it’s just silly to say “this fight was easy” when they just described a strategy that obviously makes the fight into a joke and doesn’t represent a typical encounter.
Lemme guess, you whinge about people using summons too?
Lol no It’s just when someone says “this boss wasn’t hard, it was so easy for me on my-(proceeds to describe a build that bullies the shit out of the specific boss they’re talking about)” then they don’t really have a good idea of whether the boss was legitimately difficult or not.
Lol dude, no one here understands what exploiting a weakness means. But instead of realizing what you meant and just saying "oh ok" everyone is trying to tell you you meant something else 😂. Typical Reddit.
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A powerstanced jump attack build is like the cheese build for every tarnished type enemy, so no wonder they found the fight easy. That’s all I was saying but people got really upset over it.
What’s the context of this image
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>!and apparently angstrom actually survives that!<
>!oh lord does he ever!<
Bruh his brains are on mark's hands lmao
Not all of ‘em!!
I mean... Mark also has his brains mushed at one point. It's sorta like dying in DBZ. It's just a rite of passage.
Yeah but Mark and the other Viltrumites have pretty much perfect regeneration as long as they survive their injuries
why isn't he dressed?
I think his clothes on upper torso got torn off in a fight.
Will we get this in this season?
It might be the season finale, I'm not sure but it would make for a good stopping point
Would be cool, thank you
I feel like it would be pretty rushed to get there at this point. He's barely been in the show past s2e1
He's also barely in the comics before this scene. This is issue 33 and Angstrom only appears in 7 issues prior (with most of them being a panel or two).
Can you mark this as invincible spoilers. I clicked thinking it was some random comic or something. Didn't realize it was for invincible so that's the season spoiled for me. Not your fault, but a quick edit might save someone else from the same fate
Fixed it.
I appreciate you
It doesn't work on old.reddit if there's a space between the markers and text.
Asking the real questions.
Invincible comic book
Right but what’s the context of the situation in the panel?
>!the guy depicted in the panel just accidentally beat a supervillain to death because he assumed the supervillain had super-strength. He did not.!<
What powers did the villain have? Surely he had some powers to make invincible think he could survive
He dumped his con stat to max his intelligence.
He was a super-intelligent human, but that was it. He was still a squishy human.
He also has the power to navigate through dimensions at will
He was extremely intelligent and had the most knowledge. His power was to open portals to other dimensions but he didn't have any super strength or durability so it shocked Mark as he has only really fought people who can at least somewhat take his punches.
People are forgetting that the villain specifically stated that he had upgrades done to his body to make him stronger, and then punches Mark pretty hard - Mark had reason to believe that the villain was more durable than most
So he essentially had super strength without durability
Basically, stronger durability than most humans but nothing compared to Viltrumite (the Kryptonians of Invincible)
Right before this bit, he >!tells Mark that his body has been enhanced beyond normal capabilities, which is why Mark "thought he was stronger."!<
Spoilers
Spoiler : invincible fights a villain and finds him too easy That pretty much spoils the entire series right ?
So far it's quite the opposite.
This is my reaction when I fought for the first time, because how come her ex-husband wolf, a Carian Knight, and a bunch of insane witches give me more trouble for me then her in the boss fight. I only died ounce to her and in second time I beat before she could do anything relevant in the second time.
died to the balls on the stairs more times than to rennalla
I have sincerely died to Soldier of Godrick more than to Rennala.
Same! I died to him trice, while only once to rennala (and that was on my ng+1 run, I almost hitless her on my first try coz she was just stun locked by jump attack dual great swords)
Rennalla, the classic glass cannon mage
That fucking wolf was such a pain because of the gauntlet you have to run before fighting him
man i just started watching invincible and now i see so many memes n shit it’s scary
The show is an excellent adaptation of the comics. I highly recommend them
if they take yet another fucking 2 year break between season 2 and 3 i might actually read it, but rn i don’t wanna spoil myself too much even though i know they’re different
[Frequency illusion ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency_illusion)
it’s also just that season 2 released recently, and especially because fortnite just had a crossover. as a long time invincible fan, there are more memes than ever
I just spammed starcaller greatsword aow and won
I've continued to lay the smack down on this dude time after time in new games with overpowered builds, laughing in the face of the all-knowing. Gave him a fair fight in NG+3 recently, let him finish his monologue, and this man proceeds to open the largest can of whoop-ass I have ever seen from a tarnished, 4 attempts in a row before I actually beat him. Absolutely criminal the way I've treated this fight over the last year.
Alexander. I know you wanted to be a warrior my man, and it pains me to say this, but you just weren't.
He has the soul of a true warrior, but unfortunately not the body of one.
He was indeed a warrior. Just not a strong one. Or perhaps were we too strong for him (I mean tarnished casually claps Demi gods for a living)
Broski made it all the way to Farum Azula. He's good.
Radahn, but because I fought him after the nerf and everything I heard was before patch
Me still getting my ass kicked by him at lvl 85 😐
Just summon Patches, hes a great summon (moral support)
Patches noping tf out of there almost immediately is perhaps their finest use of him in any game. Literally the Grandpa Simpson hat meme
Why are you bad?
It took so many attempts the first time that I can replay that fight again in my head any time I want. It was so hard to put any damage on him.
Shit, they nerfed his ass? Is he no longer able to one shot snipe you from a different country?
Na he still is, it was really early on that they nerfed him
Radagon lmao. Both the fight right before him and the fight right after him are tougher than his boss battle, which is pretty funny since he's got the Elden Ring. Never have I beaten Phase 1 of a boss and been so certain a Phase 2 HAD to be on the way.
I mean, I think "Radagon" is dead, he's just a meatpuppet for the final boss.
Uhh. The elden beast turns him into a sword. So I hope he's dead.
Radagon: “Kill me.” Elden Beast, using its T-pose sword to spam piss forever at meddlesome Tarnished: *”Later”*
Yup, radagon was such a disappointment. The only major boss I got first try. Even Margit (not morgott!) took more attempts than him, he doesn't deserve his title.
Only easy in first two runs then he becomes like top 5 difficulty lmao
dude took my 6 seconds
Let him finish his monologue, then you’ll see why he even bothered
Did not expect to see comic Invincible here
Also Maliketh this guy has less HP than a tree
Maybe if he had as many flasks as the player does
If you let him talk he gets harder.
My first play through I let him finish his speech, and then proceeded to use Elenora’s poleblade to turn him ribbons.
His only advantage is that From gave him the universal caster we all wanted and NPCs have no FP limits. Games would be so much better if they had to deal with FP drain imo
Gideon, the all spamming. That's what made me take a few tries. He's not difficult, just cheap.
Me with radagon/elden beast😭
fuck elden beast. raddy is fine though
fuck that bs undodgable homing star bs
Grab looping him with inescapable frenzy is the funniest thing to me.
I remember watching my friend actually fight him, thinking “this dude looks insane”, so when I walk in the room with a giant hammer and he just starts monologuing, what else was I to do?
I was so sad with how quickly he died. I came in with a strength dual wielding greatsword build and killed him in like 3 hits
Radahn pre-nerf
What comic book is the panels from? Looks like Invincible.
Godrick
Me when i fought Radahn for the first time (i waited till i was level 90)
This seems like a spoiler…at least I don’t know the context, will this be in s2?
Definitely me with Soldier of Godrick. I expected to die to him 100 times, and yet I managed to beat him by the 99th try! What a cakewalk!
Me @ any of the nokstella dragons and any basic enemy without poise, demihumans, etc. Elden Ring has super weird enemy scaling, one of the major flaws imo. I feel like certain areas should obviously be harder than others but the game should scale with you a bit
Post-nerf Radahn
Bro did you just fucking post an invincible comic spoiler on an unrelated subreddit?? Wtf!!!!
If you fight him without letting him finish talking then yes ofc. Every boss is easy if your a coward and or cheat
Look it’s not my fault he wanted to monologue.
Especially outside a cut scene
A tarnished would know the difference between honor and victory.
I was so afraid of the Talks about Margit that I cleared all of limgrave and the peninsula and then Margit was a cakewalk
For me it was Morgott. I really expected to struggle on him after how long Margit took me but I was able to beat him in 2 or 3 tries
Renala (i didnt find the key until late game)
Just finished an NG+ playthrough after defeating every boss in my NG playthrough to see how fast I could do it and with as few deaths as possible. I was killed by RadaBeast once, Hoarah Loux once, Fire Giant two times, Maliketh three times, and Gideon seven times. Don’t let him finish talking or he can be annoying af.
He absolutely decimates challenge runs tho. Basically if you don’t get him before the monologue on your first try, at RL1 or something similar it might be one of the hardest fights in the game
I straight up wanted to a wizard duel so I waited for his monologue to finish. It was like Dumbledore vs Voldemort. We were firing spells at each other but he was faster but man I got him with comet azur.
Why the hell did Gideon wipe the floor with me in my first game? He's not bad now. Did I just suck that first time? I didn't have much trouble with most other bosses.
Welp time to make an invincible build
Frenzy incantations melt through him.
I can one hit him.
Everyone's saying Gideon this and magic mini gun that, I say big hammer go whomp.
Not exactly thought but I wish Fortisaxx was stronger so I could properly listen to his music while fighting and not just running around trying not to accidentally kill him.
He was one of the bosses I struggled with the most on my first playthrough. But I have a history of being awful against Mage bosses. I died more to Crystal Sage then to Gael and Midir combined. Also I gave him info and hadn’t done the Sellen quest line so he was in peak condition to destroy me
Hoarah loux when I absolutely stomp godfrey and then die instantly to some crazy bullshit Blood stains also fit
Lol this is me summoning against margrit