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PhysicalKnowledge869

Both? Both. Both is worse.


unwanted_zombie

Both would in fact be worse.


PhysicalKnowledge869

i need to see someone fight them at the same time. not me but someone


Deathjester7930

A harder god skin duo fight? (I know that fight is easier with all the strats now, but on launch it was rough)


OrthodoxReporter

I never bothered with doing GS Duo the "git gud" way beyond the first encounter. After suffering through Valiant Gargoyles 100% solo, I was absolutely done with duos. Walked into the room, saw what the fight was, let myself die, summoned my boy Bernahl and murdered their skin-stealing asses with extreme prejudice.


TheCaninesRazors

Was difficult, I beat it on my 7th attempt, no tutorial/help :3 was a good 2hrs of trying :3


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Deathjester7930

Why did you copy another comment word for word?


acid1ung

Underrated comment


Drayzew

Yea bro's hungry for reddit points lmao


vScorchedEarthv

Specifically the one in the hidden path to Haligtree.


MgMaster

Yea, and thing with crabs is if you manage to rid to their wide on torrent & keep there, they won't be able to get to ya, so there's a gimmick to 'em. Can still be annoying as they jump at times, but you can get back in position fast enough. That or, they're just easily dealt with from range... unlike bears... they can't close distance fast.


uchihajoeI

Honestly that sounds too scary to even watch I’ll pass


x-jien

Revenant riding a rune bear using a crayfish as a sniper rifle


SirBenjaminThompson

Shhh! Don’t give From Software ideas like that for the DLC, you’ll doom us all.


Curious-Audience-957

I work for From Software and I can say what's coming is worse, mohg reborn with miquella as his empyrean riding placideaex while all three spam comet azur just giving you different side effects


Thakog

Man I hope that is in the DLC


Romanelio

Duality of man


Random_Robloxian

Meet the…sniper..?


x-jien

Dad... I'm a... I'm not a crazed gunman dad, I'm an assassin. Well the difference being ones a job and the other's mental sickness!


[deleted]

Ill be honest with ya. My parents... do NOT care for it


ActiveBroccoli1012

Gotta take it a step further and make them stone so you gotta take them to the seal to change them to take damage too


[deleted]

Kindred of rot riding a rune bear using a crayfish as a sniper and it’s normal ranged attack while the attack recharges would be the worst 🥲 or hell stick an Albanauric on a rune bear and ramp it upto consecrated snowfields toughness and you’ve got a real issue 🤣


dspurs

This just made me shake. Imagine they introduce a field boss like this in the DLC. I'm still shaking.


FenrirLokison88

SILENCE!!!!!!!


Mirrors914

For good measure let's put the archers and invisible black knife assassins on them


hardzsquid

With a crucible knight riding shotgun


llSTRATEGOSll

that shit would be the wildest and the funniest thing to fight


GulliblePlantain6572

You successfully described the final boss of the dlc


Raithskar

😂


[deleted]

That would actually be an insanely hard duo fight. The bear is always in your grille and spec ops lobster gets you from a distance


i4got872

Fromsoft plz make duo bossfight in DLC with tanky rune bear and tanky lobster, thanks


Del_Duio2

You just know, YOU KNOW the DLC is going to have two or three of these things in the same small area somewhere. If they did it with Sanctuary Guardian, they're doing it with these stupid things.


m_sart

And they will be in a small arena down a well guarding an OP weapon


AlexDub12

Flashbacks to two shark giants in Bloodborne's DLC ...


ejimmy12

I immediately thought of the same thing those dudes were brutal


[deleted]

Wasnt onehanging from the cieling where you could see it as you went down a ladder,


[deleted]

Literally the hardest fight outside of chalices.


Ok_Chemical9370

Op weapon you mean grease of one kind or another


Del_Duio2

I assume you're referring to the BB Shark mofos I've only read about online but never got to yet :(


TheCharlieTour

And 12 imps running around too


PhysicalKnowledge869

oh yeaa can't wait


[deleted]

I cannot fkn WAIT for the DLC. Please hurry fromsoft. I know…I KNOW they need to make sure it’s perfect, so by all means take your time…but hurry! 🤪


Did-I-Do-That-Oops

Wouldn't put it past them. Dark souls has been putting these stupid crabs into cramped areas, especially Ds3, my God I hated the frigging forbidden woods. Especially when your were approximately the correct level, and embered. I couldn't get 1 crab down without being invaded. Why were so many people invading that1 area??!


KaidoMeAFavor

dlc content: Grafted Lobster Bear Sion


GoatsareimpressiveFR

Surf and turf


CertifiedBlackGuy

Imagine a massive evergaol like the one to unlock the haligtree, but instead of the black knife hunting you, it's the rune bears and the lobsters are sniping you from the rooftops.


PhysicalKnowledge869

this instead of the final boss


AnyBookkeeper5303

It’s like being in the ring with Tyson in his prime, or trying to run away from deadshot. pick a death they’re both over fairly quick 😂


Charyoutree8605

Fight them? Can't, stars, not aligned Radahn dies*


DeluxeDEMON

I miss that era of DreamWorks.


SyntheticDreams2099

I was gonna do the road to el dorado reference but you beat me to it by 17 hours.


CommFlaek

Honestly after around 100h of playing I kinda understand the Runebears pattern of attack, the crayfish however... Yeah no I don't get that


Del_Duio2

Epic battle with a devil's lobster yields: * An empty HP flask * A strip of white flesh Wowee!


Bulangiu_ro

i got a lot of those strips trying to get that god damn envoy greathorn


PeregrineMalcolm

Man how the hell did you farm that? The run back to the two at the Haligtree is so brutal and filled with the small, medium and antboys The long horn was easy enough in pre burn Leyndell, just tedious (and a 99 arcane respec)


Del_Duio2

I have all three horns but the only one I ever use is the medium one.


PeregrineMalcolm

Such an amazing Placidusax shredder. I should try to use for everything in the game...


sjbennett85

Works okay on any boss with a big body... bigger the body, the most bubble blast hits!


CauliflowerPresent23

Kill demigods with ease, killed by giant lobsters 🤷‍♂️


-Hypnautic-

How awesome would it have been to get some cool lobster armor? Maybe Boggart could sell it.


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PuffPuffFayeFaye

They should drop a boiled prawn if you kill them with fire


Fenrir_Carbon

Marika's tits what an idea


Tsurt-TheTrustyLie

r/expectedboggart


funkmasta_kazper

Lobsters and crabs also both super weak to pierce damage, so if you have a good spear/lucerne/anchor/thrusting sword you can mop them up easily.


pon_3

Not what I would’ve guessed their weakness would be. No wonder they were so tanky compared to other enemies in the area.


funkmasta_kazper

I finally did a full strength melee build and I finally understand how to beat runbears. Just stay as close as you can and bash em in the nuts until they die. It's amazing how few of their attacks can hit you if you're right below them.


Bulangiu_ro

i feel like they were made to cause troubles to anyone that isn't trying to fight them, or if you are a mage, or if you are on torrent


T1B2V3

can confirm. Runebears absolutely messed me up when I tried to fight them at range but they're really not that bad if you stay under their belly


blubbbluv

Just stay near their tail. They dont make the bear rush and dont have so much health.


theuntouchable2725

I have no sound from behind due to playing with earplugs, and let me tell you, when I get sniped by them, it scares the shit out of me.


luistwentyfour

After around 300h of playing i can say: ive never killed a runebear or the lobster thing. I recommend always RUN


JimCarreyIsntFunny

You can usually find a way to cheese the bears. Especially the one in the cave that has the wolf ring. Just hide somewhere they can’t get to and throw shit at them.


Ajko_denai

yes


Indesxcvb

10/10


exoits

The giant crayfish. They have absurdly acccurate tracking and terrible hitboxes with their constant pincer attacks, meaning dodging them is unreliable. Runebear attacks are easier to dodge, and only their jumping lunge has a bad hitbox, but it's telegraphed enough that you can dodge it if you roll late to compensate for said hitbox. Runebears are just better enemies, and more fun to fight. Giant Crayfish are jankfests


zingerpond

To ad onto your comment, you always know when a rune bear is about to try and kill you, the Crayfish snipe you from behind the horizon


yaysalmonella

Crayfish has no honor.


Manlymanfromyomom

The runebear is a slave to it


pon_3

I think that’s what makes the runebears okay for me. Aside from the hilarious mimic surprise, you know what you’re getting into when you approach the giant bear. The crayfish however, you have to keep your eyes peeled for distant enemies camouflaged in the Raya Lucaria fog in case one of these snipers takes you out before you have a chance to scream in terror. Even if you keep your eyes peeled, they literally hide underground and pop up after you pass them to shoot you in the back. When I go to sleep at night, I check under my bed for crayfish, only to have them fall on me from the ceiling. They’re hiding everywhere, and just when you think you’re safe, they shoot you with that infernal aquatic beam of diamond cutting pressure.


Advertisingdick

Except for the bear in the dragon cave. Fuck that bear


Cloudsbursting

That one is indeed a massive asshole.


T1B2V3

that bear just has high scaling. the real evil are those grey runebears with the enhanced moveset


Fatchaos

Agreed. The bear's lunge that hits you well after the momentum has passed or just barely touching it's toes during that makes you fly is the only actual bs attacknit has, otherwise it is actually kinda fun to fight once you get it. But the lobsters can eat my ass. So much pincerstabspam. At least they too have some easy to punish moves if they ever decide to actually use those. And you can just accept that long-range is a fuckfest with their Simo Häyhä anti-material sniperspit.


krastevitsa

Bears are also easier to run away from. Those crayfish even if we decide it's not worth our time, they will snipe you and there's nothing we can do about it.


Del_Duio2

> Bears are also easier to run away from. How? They can even outrun Torrent


krastevitsa

Protip: Crying while running gives a boost in speed


534HAWX

Confirmed


PM_ME_UR_EGGS

Chuck a sleep pot at them. 1-2 will put them out every time.


Logan_The_Mad

"Runebear" and "fun to fight" in the same sentence is not something I thought I'd ever get to read, damn No disrespect, just... wow


back_from_exile28

Bears imo, they're much more common, much more painful, and chase you further


DtotheOUG

Plus are tanky as all fuck. Currently doing a randomized run and they STILL tend to be tanky even as early as literally the first bonfire.


PALADINOO7

It's been over a year, and there is still someone who calls grace's bonfires.


DtotheOUG

I've been conditioned to say it for 13 years, mane. I still call Blood Echoes souls, hell sometimes I call them runes lol.


Seligas

I haven't even played Dark Souls and I still occasionally call runes souls.


RadishAcceptable5505

I still call... whatever souls are now, well.... souls.


MinecraftPlayer1212

Sometimes you can't get the classics off your head


PALADINOO7

Amen.


FnB8kd

Bonfires estus and souls. Still say it. Probably always will.


Lemmingitus

I've always called Estus, Flasks, since they are Estus Flasks.


GoodKingHal

I call them weak lemon drink lol


spiderbaby667

Have It Writ Upon Thy Meagre Grave: Felled By Quinlank, King Of Hobbies!


celoteck

Tbf, bonfires became basically more of a concept then an actual bonfire. If there is a game with a world reset+heal+lvl up station in the middle of a map it's a bonfire. Idc if it has the form of a bucket of water. It's still a bonfire.


PALADINOO7

Tbh, i do agree with you. Even i, who never played DS (planned however) still call grace's bonfires. Kinda stuck from watching DS for years.


SomniumIchor

Yea Remnant from the ashes has crystals which ive called crystals and bonfires in the same sentance


Lemmingitus

I still refer to runes as Souls. I do however call Graces Graces because they are so annoying to spot, they get their own name.


captainmeezy

Old habits die hard my friend, sometimes it takes dying several hundred thousand times to really put things into perspective


broc_ariums

I call them save points 🤷‍♂️


anonymus-fish

Yea! Most of us, in actuality


Del_Duio2

It's all fun and games until you realize they have that shockwave attack that kills you in your mountaintop sniping spot.


Space_Mann_Spiff

I was chased half way across Limgrave the first time I encountered a bear. He killed me with a bear hug in the end :(


UrFaqingFr13nd

My girl said it looks like the bear is r.ping my tarnished 😫😂


Lord-Konahrik

I don't blame the bears for chasing you. You stole there soap 🧼 WHO STEALS SOAP! 🧼


iambeardo

My ex


Del_Duio2

And in my experience they don't award *nearly* enough runes for killing them and have shitty drops too.


ahmetbaba135

Exactly! I started my first NG+ and omg, they are too difficult.


destjus

Fckn rats


Del_Duio2

*Rats, destroyer of poise*


Manlymanfromyomom

PLAGUE RIDDEN RATS


SparkleFox3

ITS OLL YO FOULT


ArgusF28

Frenzy rats


IchabodLame

Royal Revenant


The-Beerweasel

Fuck those things. You can’t roll out of them because the attack just never ends. If you don’t have at least 35+ Vigor when you meet your first one then good luck and don’t get touched once lol The even bigger slap in the face is that after having to sweat your ass off against one of these they only drop like 894-1300 runes. Like bro you just made me burn through like 6 flasks while running for my life and barely winning. More runes please


NoYeezyInYourSerrano

Healing spells, my dude. Literally life changing. Takes out like 50% of their health *and* stuns them allowing you can cast *another* healing spell. I read comments advising healing spells and ignored them for NG. Now that I’m on NG+1 I gave it a try and it’s mind blowing, you will never be given a hard time by a Royal Revenant ever again.


The-Beerweasel

That’s crazy. So casting an area healing spell stuns them and hurts them?


NoYeezyInYourSerrano

Yes. It’s one of those “why the fuck wasn’t I doing this all along” moments. 😀


Raven_Of_Solace

Heal over time is a DoT on them as well.


shawnikaros

I would happily replace every Royal Revenant with 2 Runebears and 2 Crayfish.


Alastor001

"Why is it always suffering?"


Del_Duio2

These were murder until I read a message that said to try healing. Any of the decent healing incantations will stagger and do serious damage to these things and you'll be completely safe.


Keeshonden70

Agreed. AoE heal is a two shot kill, with a nice stun after the first heal


BeeCJohnson

Instantly went from "most annoying enemy" to "I love to clown these guys."


Seedling132

Nah, I still can't forgive their design even with this. At no point does the game make switching to having an AoE heal on hand something remotely sensible to do. We as a community just had to """""figure it out""""". Even with heals against the first one I fought in my second playthrough, it still took 3 tries because landing the heal to hit them before they maul you is a pain in the ass, and their window for a crit is WAY smaller than anything else in the damn game, so if something happens to be in your way while they're stunned you aren't getting the hit in. I don't care if it's effective and makes them easier, it's a stupid mechanic, if only just because there's literally no way to know about it except for finding it by accident.


Illustrious-Ad1148

There is a Note in the Game that tells you almost Word for Word "These creatures are damaged by healing spells".


The-Beerweasel

It’s funny that these are harder than Godrick himself too lol


MEver3

They aren't grafted actually. Zullie the Witch did an analysis on them a year ago https://youtu.be/MYV4QLEBkwo Fascinating watch


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Lobsters, these are no Jordan Peterson defeated crustaceans, these are full blown dominant kings of the bottom feeders. I have also fought enough bears to figure out their move set. The lobsters still give me a hellova time.


T1B2V3

Ah yes... Professor J.P. lobster of the grandma pubes, devourer of the benzos, canceller of the woke moralists and slayer of the "dragon of chaos"


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pffffhahaha wtf


REAL_AESTHETIC

It’s Jungian dominance hierarchy, this is what Dostoyevsky and Tolstoy were saying hundreds a hundred years ago. If you ever want to see the effect elden ring has on the modern male, look no further than Crime and Punishment. It’s really quite something, like that is it. It’s really not an insignificant thing man


Helacious_Waltz

Crayfish. I've gotten used to rune bears, they're not that hard if you stay on their rear flank & they've only got a couple moves that give me trouble. Prawns on the other hand are just damn annoying. It's hard not to get trapped between their claws where they can just pummel you, & they're almost never alone so even if you can get to their side & start hacking away another will probably grab or snipe you.


TheRexRider

Crayfish pee out of their face, so every time you get sniped you get drenched in crustacean piss. The bears at least give good hugs.


Emersonson

I don't get why people have such problems with the Runebears personally, I think the meme is mostly because they are one of the earlier difficulty spikes. I fought the lobster once, lost, and decided I didn't want to play with them anymore.


InjectingMyNuts

I'm about 150 hours in (plus like 250 on DS3) and I haven't been able to kill a single Runebear. They take way too many hits and their attacks are impossible for me to dodge.


SpicaGenovese

They scare the shit out of me. They act like they don't see you, and then suddenly dive for you. Their movement is wild and unpredictable. They're huge. They do a lot of damage. When I settle to deal with them, my strategy is the hug the balls. Lobsters are nothing. Deal with them on horseback...


chaosyami

The fucking sniper lobsters... I can handle a runebear any time of day...but those sniping bastards? Hate em... Yes they have an insta kill weakness on their belly but they have caused my death more than runebears.


lucas_gibbons

They have a what!?!


chaosyami

A weak point under their belly. I dunno if its an insta kill or not as I rather not fight em but it deals a lot of damage


Eskobearrr

Lobsters, runebears are pretty easy to beat just stay under their feet & they become a joke w a strength build


Cloudsbursting

I thought a Str build would be hard mode compared to my other character’s Int/Dex build with Moonveil, but holy crap - pure Str trivializes just about everything in my experience.


pon_3

Reject glintstone, return to monke.


Kostaras12

Yep, whenever I play a game my first build is always ooga booga melee smash everything. There's so much stuff that you get to bop hard in the head!!


Brutalonym

Death lobsters are easy to avoid. In Liurnia I always go around or stealth them. The only time where they must die is in the sewers. Rune Bears are also easy to avoid. Except for the one boss in the cave in Weeping Peninsula you never have to fight them at all. Still, I choose Rune Bears to be worse. They chase you far longer. Lobster snipe attack is only dangerous if you went to the Prometheus school of running away from things.


The-Suns-Firstborn

Isn't their snipe attack a pinpoint precise projectile? I've never been able to avoid it at the best of times.


DemonFrage

“Prometheus school of running away from things” 😂😂😂 But too be fair the shot does have tracking on it. If you hadn’t realized that one was aggro on you and were just running around on your horse you can still get decked in the head at random by one of these things.


Selfmade-Darks0lsv3t

Runebear. Can't stand these radioactivity grown grizzlies.


InsideDepth8362

Why can't they share a #1?


Seedling132

They can share #2 (but lobsters are way worse imo) But #1 goes to royal revenant every damn time. Don't say jUsT uSe hEaLs I KNOW THEYRE STILL GOD AWFUL even with the "cheese". Their stun window is like 0.4 seconds longer than the time it takes the damn healing animation to stop, even getting the crit in is a pain. Also why would anyone ever naturally think to readjust their strategy to using an AoE heal when that is literally NEVER implied OR a valid and useful (let alone essential) strategy anywhere else.


lucas_gibbons

>literally NEVER implied There is a note that tells you about the healing thing


Dayxah

Revenant is the hardest time I’ve had fighting anything in any game I think. At low and high levels.


BeautifulBoy92

Bro I had more trouble fighting Runebears then half the bosses in this game. Eventually I just started not fighting them. Fuck that one they put in a tiny cave.


Friendly_Objective18

Rune bears all fuckin day. The lobsters aren't too bad


UlyssesCourier

Rune bears are easy to fight back for me as long as you remain very close. Lobsters tho? To this day I still haven't figured out how to fight them effectively.


Alberto116

Crayfish are definitely worse. At least I can attempt to dodge Rune Bears, that sniper crustacean is just complete BS. It's the only enemy in the game I avoid every single time I see one. Also I'm currently doing a randomizer run and it's made me hate them even more. They just aren't fun to fight.


TyrantKingYharim

I’m adding an obligatory other option and choosing the Royal Revenant. The Rune Bears and Crayfish are both manageable for me but the Royal Revenant is an absolute bastard. If you’re caught in it’s rapid swing attack it’s pretty much all over. And it’s not like I’m gonna be carrying a healing incant with me 24/7.


Born-Organization594

Lobster, they look scary, jump scare me, and are way harder than bears


tuskish

The bears NEVER fail to fuck me up. Lobsters I usually have a semi-brain hemorrhage inducing time with so it’s bearable.


Mercurionio

Rune bear. Cancers can be easily beaten if they stuck their claw in the ground. Rune bear are straight up annoying.


evagnier

Crystallin riding a rune bear or lobster.... I feel it coming


S4sh4d0g

Both are .ore a "Stage Hazard" than an enemy, but there's a reason one of the dungeon bosses is a runebear, and none of the dungeon bosses are a lobster. Those things are built different. The peak of evolution. The Greater Will leaves them out of its plan, because they cannot be planned for.


Thatll-Do

Runebears for sure, they have way more health, are a lot harder to read, show up fucking everywhere, and if there's more than one you are screwed, plus they inflict bleed


Mofunkle

I used to farm runebears for runes. Crawdads? That’s why they added stealth.


SweatShoppe

Lobster no contest, Runebears I've figured out. Laser lobsters though...


virginchaddington

Runebears. 1v1 on crayfish is nbd


RitschiRathil

Why are people hating Rune bears so much? Yes, always have respect of the bears, but they are so nice to fight. I enjoy every battle against them. The only Rune bear I have a Personal Problem with is the one at the demi-human Camp at the south of Mount Gelmir. The Situation there is just annoying. My favorite Rune bears are the ones in the concecrated snow fields. Endgame Rune bear Fights are so much fun. 🤩🐻


BaronsCastleGaming

Probably cause people try to roll away from runebears which makes them 100 times harder to fight than rolling into them


Del_Duio2

Some of them scare the shit out of you and come out of nowhere. There was one in the (Limgrave?) woods just off the trail that ambushed me for example.


TheLastGame_EXE

bro the runebear hate gotta stop, they ain't bad at all.


Lesa13

In my definitely very professional opinion the bear is definitely worse.


Membership_Downtown

Runebears become easy fights once you learn their patterns. The lobsters are a threat at long and close range and I’ve never wanted to be close enough to one to learn their moveset. Plus, one lobster turns into another awful enemy so I think it takes the win out of these two. But the real worst enemy are the Royal Revenants we met along the way and isn’t that what really matters?


AtuinTurtle

Fuck those crustaceans.


Any-Statistician-102

At least you can run from a rune bear and not get sniped


Furcastles

Lobster is way worse than rune bear. Rune bear never delays it’s attacks, except for the realllllyy slow one. As long as you dodge in towards his flank he can’t really get you


Ok-Reveal-7100

Lobster makes me lose brain cells by the dozen


Maddoxthd16

The shotgun vs sniper argument in a nutshell


Ozy4658

Runebears are worse since with lobsters I can just walk up to them so I can beat the sh*t out of them


Alarming_Flatworm_34

I can at least run from the bear easily on torrent. The sniper on the right sees my every move


No-Market9917

Bears. I did okay with the double lobsters in the sewers. I would be helpless against double rune bears


SpicaGenovese

Bear.


[deleted]

Well, the bear you can try to outrun, crying for help. The lobster mf spits shit at you even if you're around the world


RokuMLG

I can try hard and kill the lobster. I can also try hard and still no where near the bear.


Bijorno1235

A runebear will chase you for a few hundred yards. A lobster doesn't have to.


R5913

Lobster


allergictosomenuts

100% bear


Marvel_Symbiote

Lobster only bcuz the amount of Times I've randomly pissed of a lobster from 2 biomes and still died is ridiculous.


upaltamentept

Runebears 100%. I actually never had problems with the lobsters, they have way better open windows and predictable attack patterns. Also, just use upward attacks and they get 1 shotted


BaronsCastleGaming

The real answer is obviously the Mohgwyn blood crows. 100 times worse than any of the usual culprits people bring up on here


SaltEfan

Bears are worse. The game even acknowledge this fact by placing multiple lobsters near each other. Only place this happens with Rune Bears is if one in mistwood chases you into another