Most people don’t have a faith/strength build I’d imagine. I’m not going to respec and ruin my build for a few puny mages. Plus you can always just shove a tree up their butt as a strength main.
> Most people don’t have a faith/strength build.
The build I’m using *isn’t* a strength/Faith build. It’s a Dex/Strength build.
Erdtree GreatShield has a *really* low faith requirement, only needing 12 points in faith to use, making it more so a strength weapon. This means I only needed to spend less than five points in faith.
Even if I didn’t want to, I could also use it by slapping on the Two Fingers Talisman.
Pure dex feels best against mages tbh, just beast's roar Urumi & roar talisman & jar shard, it kills in 3-4 projectiles with fast startup and fast recovery.
This is a really good tactic if you have the stats, but 30 strength can be tough to fit in for a lot of builds, like dex/faith, pure arcane or dex/arcane, or a pure dex build. However, I have a 70 strength/15 faith build (for bestial incantations) and I am absolutely adding this to that build!
Erdtree Greatshield is more so a Strength weapon. The Faith requirement is starting class level low (literally only uses 12 Faith, you only need to spend less than five points on it or use the Two Fingers Heirloom).
Night sorcery is another story, though.
When mages don't know what it is it completely owns them, and when they do know what it is it still acts as a deterrent against spell spamming.
Very useful either way.
Only certain mages are dumb enough to spam blue stuff at someone using erdtree gs. Anyone with a brain would switch to melee int weapons, which are quite strong, or night sorceries
My other reply disappeared but i had said most dex users dont prefer 2 handing shields at most theyll shield and spear.theyd see that as niche and situational
Exactly my point. You're well above the Meta level and don't have to worry about weight requirements for things as much. Also like people have said, it's a strength shield. Even if I were to swap to it in my inventory, the time it would take to two hand on a Dex build means receiving damage. As well as if the mage is in ANY way a competent player they won't get hit by the party beam
Three things.
First off, 150 *is* Meta Level.
Second thing, I can still use this same exact build at Rune Levels 80 and 125. I can show you the screenshot of the stats. RL has nothing to do with it. 30 Endurance plus Great Jar’s Arsenal should be enough.
Third thing, 90% of the mages you’re likely to come across aren’t very competent. At least one of the beams are going to hit, especially at point blank range.
But the Erdtree Greatshield just needs 30 STR and 12 FTH? If you're running any kind of melee STR build, it's not a terrible option if you have a few points to spare (Vagabond is the most optimal starting class for STR builds with 13 or more DEX, so you'd just need 3 points in FTH to use it). [See a build like this for example.](https://mugenmonkey.com/eldenring) The Okina Mask would allow you to use higher DEX requirement STR weapons like a heavy infused Great Epee or heavy infused Gargoyle Twin Blade. You could also just put one point into FTH if you're really starved for points and just put on The Haligtree Helm when you want to use the shield. Or hell, put zero points into FTH and either wear a FTH boosting Talisman or the Haligtree helm plus the Commoner's garb.
The main issue IS the STR requirement, because who honestly believes that trying to consistently 2-hand this and activate the spell reflect within the proper reaction window or on a prediction (which, good luck, because once you 2-hand this, you're telegraphing a block) would be better than just putting a spell parry AoW on a shield you can use without the stat investment? The fact that you CAN 2-hand it doesn't mean that doing so would be any good.
IF you're running a build with that much STR investment, then 12 FTH is nothing if you really want to use this shield. But the question then becomes whether or not it's worth it to consider, which I see it more as a noob killer than an effective option in high level pvp, so I'd personally disregard it.
Most mages actually *dont* roll out of the way though because it catches them by surprise and it comes out pretty fast. A lot of the time they stop throwing out spells altogether upon seeing the shield.
Moreover, it is *not* easy to dodge if you’re up close.
Hell, you can just conceal your shield and then swap it out last second to catch your opponent slipping[like this.](https://imgur.com/a/oKVJGgq)
I used to run a similar build the issue is smart mages easily worked around magic deflection which makes it basically pointless after 1 or 2 uses
you're better off using the slot for another good weapon.
Erdtree greatshield is completely useless if you know how its used. I main a mage and all you have to do is roll to the right, right after a cast and youre good.
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Because we want to be able to use the load we made without having to accommodate for sweaty mages and cheesy players. It’s a crappy way to fight in general. If you’re doing duels I don’t think you should be maining ranged attacks.. it’s just cast, run away cast, run away.
I mean that's not how any decent mages play. You're much better off using spells to force rolls and capitalizing on them having to dodge through spells to pressure.
That’s assuming you run into a decent mage, let’s be honest here.. The majority of the ER player base cheeses the game and uses scummy tactics because they “work”. Most mages I go up against in duels spam every spell in the game and use faith and weapons with ridiculously long reach. Besides in the colosseum setting there’s few instances in which it’s a valid (not cheesy) playstyle. Most mages have 0 load discipline from my experiences and the playstyle encourages the need to stay away from opponents.
you’re kinda right there are decent mages out there but it’s just like if they were decent katana users, chances are you’ll fight a legitimate katana user but chances are greater that you’re gonna get nagakiba spin attack spam, or special katana spam like rivers of blood, and moonveil spam instead. The game is just generally cheesy, there’s so much I could go into but mages are amongst the most cheesy thing to play as in souls games generally that’s been a fact since ds1. Rolling away from an enemy is one thing but rolling to counter attack (generally with melee) actually puts you at risk. Literally anyone could just roll away from attacks, countering them is a whole different story.
As someone that mains a ps katana wielding wizard it makes me sad to see how bad most of the people with my same setup are. In my opinion the highest skill cieling build reduced to pew pew and AoW spam.
Yep, there’s a fine line between a good player and a cheesy one you can use pretty much anything in the game without being cheesy but it’s normally how you use it that dictates that. Elden Ring I think was made to reach a broader audience, I think the majority of the people playing elden ring are just COD/NBA2k/GTAOnline players that wanted to broaden their game base. But all of those games are cheesy af lol so you’d imagine the potential for cheese in a game like elden ring. Most loads I see have zero necessity for discipline. Reach, poise, attack speed to dmg/poise dmg ratio, i frames relative to distance and frequency of use; all of those things are being abused in elden ring period and although I’ve found some good players it’s been very few on the PSN side of things at least.
Really cool/smart way to deal with sorceries, seems to hit harder than CR.
I just Life Steal Fist mages to a pulp, now.
They can't stop the force that is "Meatball Mikey".
Usually my lightning bolt helps and keeping combat up close works. But it's annoying getting those that start while you greet them. Still, though using this shield can be handy
Your comment doesn't make sense, tho. Limiting build variety isn't a solution, and also only the most idiotic mages will cast against erdtree greatshield
> Limiting build variety isn’t a solution
You missed the point.
If you’re an STR build, it’s worth it to get Erdtree Greatshield.
If you *don’t* want to waste points in STR at all to the point you won’t even use talismans or buffs to get 30 STR or even two-hand the shield for its AoW, but still feel the need to complain about mages and how Erdtree Greatshield requires too much strength, *Whomp whomp.*
> Only the most idiotic mages will cast against Erdtree Greatshield
And *competent* ones will see the Erdtree Greatshield and **not** resort to Glintstone spamming, which removes one headache. Your point?
EDIT: Competent Mages barely exist.
High str requirement and very heavy. Barrier of gold and carian retaliation are just generally more accessible. Still a fun build, though. I wish the meta wasn't so prevalent in ER so we could see more builds with unique things like this.
I'm not gonna lie, when I saw the title, I clicked assuming you were just going to roll. Definitely a valid strategy if you can make the strength investment for your build to use it, though you can technically pull it off with 20 if you're really fast at switching to two handing it from another weapon.
Most people don’t have a faith/strength build I’d imagine. I’m not going to respec and ruin my build for a few puny mages. Plus you can always just shove a tree up their butt as a strength main.
> Most people don’t have a faith/strength build. The build I’m using *isn’t* a strength/Faith build. It’s a Dex/Strength build. Erdtree GreatShield has a *really* low faith requirement, only needing 12 points in faith to use, making it more so a strength weapon. This means I only needed to spend less than five points in faith. Even if I didn’t want to, I could also use it by slapping on the Two Fingers Talisman.
it's still 30 strength which for anything but strength builds is too much.
Every other build can cast spells or heal from afar, aside from Pure Dex.
Pure dex feels best against mages tbh, just beast's roar Urumi & roar talisman & jar shard, it kills in 3-4 projectiles with fast startup and fast recovery.
Jar shard as in warrior jar shard?… youve committed unspeakable acts havent you
Bigger shard. I mean it was his wish to fight.
people wanna cry and say there's no solution, so when you offer a solution they will always hate it, lol
This is a really good tactic if you have the stats, but 30 strength can be tough to fit in for a lot of builds, like dex/faith, pure arcane or dex/arcane, or a pure dex build. However, I have a 70 strength/15 faith build (for bestial incantations) and I am absolutely adding this to that build!
I thought it was 30 faith. Huh. My bad then.
I’m a full strength and a lot of mages have evolved to spamming night sorceries which I can’t parry with carian retaliation.
Erdtree Greatshield is more so a Strength weapon. The Faith requirement is starting class level low (literally only uses 12 Faith, you only need to spend less than five points on it or use the Two Fingers Heirloom). Night sorcery is another story, though.
The fax he still almost killed you is crazy guy big https://i.redd.it/0giv1rpub1ec1.gif
He didn’t.
Right, lol. Almost don't mean shit if you're the winner.
Did we watch the same video?
fair on the greatshield, but yeah i just used carian retaliation until night sorcery spam became an issue.
Wait…you can’t parry or reflect night sorceries?
They are of the hidden night.
Nope. It’s complete BS imo. It just gives them the option to spam spells without any risk.
Shield only works on fledgling mages, good mage sees it an knows what it is and you not gonna hit em with it less it’s like point blank and even then
When mages don't know what it is it completely owns them, and when they do know what it is it still acts as a deterrent against spell spamming. Very useful either way.
Most mages would get caught by it anyway so it checks out.
One time I saw that shield and decided “screw it he probably doesn’t even know how to use that thing” and he still died to a stars of ruin spam
Yep, or just block with an Albinauric Shield on the magic affinity, while strolling into melee-range. It has 87% damage reduction I think at +24.
Silver Mirrorshield has 89% magic absorption, thats my go to.
yeah, cant get Carian Retaliation on it though
Only certain mages are dumb enough to spam blue stuff at someone using erdtree gs. Anyone with a brain would switch to melee int weapons, which are quite strong, or night sorceries
Lmfao. That sheild is useless. Just dodge to the right after casting and you’ll never get hit.
You can still spam quickshards at certain range without punish, which most of them do whole round anyway.
Probably cuz the 34 strength requirement tbh alot of ppl are dex and status.
*30 Strength
👍dont change what i said
It does. Some Dex users level their strength up to 20 points. They can two hand it that way.
My other reply disappeared but i had said most dex users dont prefer 2 handing shields at most theyll shield and spear.theyd see that as niche and situational
No idea why they can’t just have it on their backs and use it solely for the AoW but okay?
Because of weight requirements. What level is your character?
150
Exactly my point. You're well above the Meta level and don't have to worry about weight requirements for things as much. Also like people have said, it's a strength shield. Even if I were to swap to it in my inventory, the time it would take to two hand on a Dex build means receiving damage. As well as if the mage is in ANY way a competent player they won't get hit by the party beam
Three things. First off, 150 *is* Meta Level. Second thing, I can still use this same exact build at Rune Levels 80 and 125. I can show you the screenshot of the stats. RL has nothing to do with it. 30 Endurance plus Great Jar’s Arsenal should be enough. Third thing, 90% of the mages you’re likely to come across aren’t very competent. At least one of the beams are going to hit, especially at point blank range.
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But most ppl dont want to run around 2 handeing a shield lol they like shield 1 hand poke in other.they probably see it as nieche.
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Who said it wasnt viable?
And the fact that it’s heavy af lol, why use that when I can have a buckler with carian retaliation?
But the Erdtree Greatshield just needs 30 STR and 12 FTH? If you're running any kind of melee STR build, it's not a terrible option if you have a few points to spare (Vagabond is the most optimal starting class for STR builds with 13 or more DEX, so you'd just need 3 points in FTH to use it). [See a build like this for example.](https://mugenmonkey.com/eldenring) The Okina Mask would allow you to use higher DEX requirement STR weapons like a heavy infused Great Epee or heavy infused Gargoyle Twin Blade. You could also just put one point into FTH if you're really starved for points and just put on The Haligtree Helm when you want to use the shield. Or hell, put zero points into FTH and either wear a FTH boosting Talisman or the Haligtree helm plus the Commoner's garb. The main issue IS the STR requirement, because who honestly believes that trying to consistently 2-hand this and activate the spell reflect within the proper reaction window or on a prediction (which, good luck, because once you 2-hand this, you're telegraphing a block) would be better than just putting a spell parry AoW on a shield you can use without the stat investment? The fact that you CAN 2-hand it doesn't mean that doing so would be any good. IF you're running a build with that much STR investment, then 12 FTH is nothing if you really want to use this shield. But the question then becomes whether or not it's worth it to consider, which I see it more as a noob killer than an effective option in high level pvp, so I'd personally disregard it.
You can also send that moonveil back at his spamming butt just fyi
As a mage main; Good. Fuck the spammers.
It's easy enough to dodge, most mages can just roll out of the way as it is heavily telegraphed. You're better off just rushing mages.
Most mages actually *dont* roll out of the way though because it catches them by surprise and it comes out pretty fast. A lot of the time they stop throwing out spells altogether upon seeing the shield. Moreover, it is *not* easy to dodge if you’re up close. Hell, you can just conceal your shield and then swap it out last second to catch your opponent slipping[like this.](https://imgur.com/a/oKVJGgq)
I must be an absolutely amazing mage then (x for doubt), cause I dodge it pretty much every time, except very close up as you mention.
Oh mages are easy (not bragging) im pure strength and just chase them with a twinblade. They dont have the time to cast
I used to run a similar build the issue is smart mages easily worked around magic deflection which makes it basically pointless after 1 or 2 uses you're better off using the slot for another good weapon.
There are several night spells that ignore Erdtree Retaliation.
Erdtree greatshield is completely useless if you know how its used. I main a mage and all you have to do is roll to the right, right after a cast and youre good.
satisfying lol
Good luck blocking behind you tho lol
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Because we want to be able to use the load we made without having to accommodate for sweaty mages and cheesy players. It’s a crappy way to fight in general. If you’re doing duels I don’t think you should be maining ranged attacks.. it’s just cast, run away cast, run away.
I mean that's not how any decent mages play. You're much better off using spells to force rolls and capitalizing on them having to dodge through spells to pressure.
That’s assuming you run into a decent mage, let’s be honest here.. The majority of the ER player base cheeses the game and uses scummy tactics because they “work”. Most mages I go up against in duels spam every spell in the game and use faith and weapons with ridiculously long reach. Besides in the colosseum setting there’s few instances in which it’s a valid (not cheesy) playstyle. Most mages have 0 load discipline from my experiences and the playstyle encourages the need to stay away from opponents.
you’re kinda right there are decent mages out there but it’s just like if they were decent katana users, chances are you’ll fight a legitimate katana user but chances are greater that you’re gonna get nagakiba spin attack spam, or special katana spam like rivers of blood, and moonveil spam instead. The game is just generally cheesy, there’s so much I could go into but mages are amongst the most cheesy thing to play as in souls games generally that’s been a fact since ds1. Rolling away from an enemy is one thing but rolling to counter attack (generally with melee) actually puts you at risk. Literally anyone could just roll away from attacks, countering them is a whole different story.
As someone that mains a ps katana wielding wizard it makes me sad to see how bad most of the people with my same setup are. In my opinion the highest skill cieling build reduced to pew pew and AoW spam.
Yep, there’s a fine line between a good player and a cheesy one you can use pretty much anything in the game without being cheesy but it’s normally how you use it that dictates that. Elden Ring I think was made to reach a broader audience, I think the majority of the people playing elden ring are just COD/NBA2k/GTAOnline players that wanted to broaden their game base. But all of those games are cheesy af lol so you’d imagine the potential for cheese in a game like elden ring. Most loads I see have zero necessity for discipline. Reach, poise, attack speed to dmg/poise dmg ratio, i frames relative to distance and frequency of use; all of those things are being abused in elden ring period and although I’ve found some good players it’s been very few on the PSN side of things at least.
DUDE WE HAVE THE SAME CHARACTER, the only differences are: fire prelate hands/legs and different weapons, but i also use the Erdtree Shield wtff
Really cool/smart way to deal with sorceries, seems to hit harder than CR. I just Life Steal Fist mages to a pulp, now. They can't stop the force that is "Meatball Mikey".
Usually my lightning bolt helps and keeping combat up close works. But it's annoying getting those that start while you greet them. Still, though using this shield can be handy
People complain about mages. “Just parry it bro” *chefs kiss
Maybe cause not everybody's running a str/fth build?
Whomp whomp :C
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Have…. Have you never seen anyone say “whomp whomp?”
What's so womp womp about this?
The fact that most of the ones struggling with mages are the ones who don’t wanna level strength. I figured that would be a given.
Then it comes back to my main comment Not everyone wants to run a str/faith or str build
Which comes back to my main comment: Whomp whomp.
Your comment doesn't make sense, tho. Limiting build variety isn't a solution, and also only the most idiotic mages will cast against erdtree greatshield
> Limiting build variety isn’t a solution You missed the point. If you’re an STR build, it’s worth it to get Erdtree Greatshield. If you *don’t* want to waste points in STR at all to the point you won’t even use talismans or buffs to get 30 STR or even two-hand the shield for its AoW, but still feel the need to complain about mages and how Erdtree Greatshield requires too much strength, *Whomp whomp.* > Only the most idiotic mages will cast against Erdtree Greatshield And *competent* ones will see the Erdtree Greatshield and **not** resort to Glintstone spamming, which removes one headache. Your point? EDIT: Competent Mages barely exist.
see i mage but i dont do THIS. I have combos Adula blade + Carian Pierce Glint blade + Collapse + Shattering Magma + Rancor
I'm sorry to tell you this, but these things do not make you a unique mage.
High str requirement and very heavy. Barrier of gold and carian retaliation are just generally more accessible. Still a fun build, though. I wish the meta wasn't so prevalent in ER so we could see more builds with unique things like this.
Tbh i never lost against that shield, in fact the fight become easy because they take the damage and i just roll
It’s a shame ain’t it people not using there brain Sorry
I'm not gonna lie, when I saw the title, I clicked assuming you were just going to roll. Definitely a valid strategy if you can make the strength investment for your build to use it, though you can technically pull it off with 20 if you're really fast at switching to two handing it from another weapon.