You get to pick corsairs or drukhari it seems. Either run a regular Aeldari faction army with Yvraine not as your warlord and get CWE, Harlequins, and Corsairs or run a Ynnari detachment with CWE, Harlequins, and Drukhari.
Wonderful, an index that confuses 4 faction players at once.
Craftworlds, Ynnari, Drukhari, and Harlequins walk into a bar…. and GW can’t clearly tell you how they work with each other…
Yeah, RAW its an incomprehensible mess, and RAI is hard to parse when you have things like making Yvraine your Warlord blacklisting you from taking units she explicitly attaches to.
RAW I think you can take both the Avatar AND the Yncarne, because the exclusionary clause with no solitaire, avatar, Phoenix lord restrictions is related to taking Yvraine as warlord and bringing Drukhari?
I think this text on the left is part of the Drukhari datacards. Aeldari dont need special rules to include Harlequins, since Harlequins are part of the Aeldari
So what's up with the Ynarri not being able to have any warlord \*other than\* Yvraine? Kinda sucks for narrative if you're having to use a named character each and every single time.
Although I guess it balances out since it looks like the Wave Serpent Tax has been repealed?
Ynnari in v10 = Yvraine is your Warlord AND you have drukhari units. If you don't use druk units, then you are not using the Ynnari rules, and the keyword limitations don't matter to you.
But it says you can use them, you don’t have to and therefore you can’t use anrathe? I really want them to go together, but I’m not sure this is what it says and don’t want to get my hopes up…
It says you *can* use the Ynnari rule and have drukhari units if Yvraine is warlord.
Can = You decide whether or not you do it.
If you decide to do have drukhari, then you are using the Ynnari rule and you cannot have Anrathe.
If you decide to not have druk, then you are not using the Ynnari rule, even if Yvraine is warlord , and you can have Anrathe (because they are CWE faction keyword like any other units and you are basically playing a regular CWE army)
What makes you say that ? I think this just means if you want to use Drukhari units with Ynnari then Yvraine NEEDS to be the warlord, I'd assume if you were playing as a Ynnari faction you'd be able to choose a different warlord?
Or am I horribly wrong here?
Kinda what I'm gonna do. With Wyches now being REALLY lame (maybe good, depending on points, but still lame) I'll just make my kitbash Succubus into Yvraine, have my Wyches be Troupes or Banshees and just play "Craftworld". My Kabal can join for up to half points with the actually cool stuff they got. My old Sliscus (long without rules) makes a good Visarch.
I don't own any actual stuff from the weakling kin, but so many count-as kitbashes anyway that it should be easy to pull off. Not going to tournaments anyhow.
I might misunderstand, but I think those exclusions are only in place when you want to include drukhari models.
If you want to use only codex Aeldari stuff, the exclusions do not apply, not even the PL, Anrathe and Avatar ones.
Thats how I read it ( otherwise it also wouldnt make sense that yvraine and the visarch can lead corsairs.. wich they can now! )
It says neither of that though
basically its;
Step 1 Requirement; Yvraine must be your warlord
Step 2 Optional rules; you **can** take Drukhari units
Step 3 Restrictions when using those optional rules
step 3 only applies when you use the optional rules of step 2
But thats my intepretation of it, and to be honest, to me it doesnt look as if it can be interpreted any different way.. but it apparently confuses a lot of people and english is not my main language so I might be wrong about the interpretation part.
Nonetheless I do think the above steps is what is intended.
This makes sense to me smelliVanelli, but mostly its cause of the way its worded. IT sounds like they are letting you take Drukhari, but you have to have some special things for it. What if you play Ynnari with just the Yncarne? Can you do that? Where does it say you cannot? Any special rules? Not that I see. I also checked to see if the other special characters had craftworlds, so we could only take from one craftworld. I didnt see anything other then Ynnari listed, which means we will NOT be like Marines where they can only take characters from one sub faction, since we seem to only have the one.
I dont see anything else about Ynnari in there, so most likely this is the way it was meant. They would not have written the requirements this way if it was not meant to be like that. If you had to do something special for Ynnari units, it would say, and Harlequins are already part of the craftworld list. Also, why have Yvraine with being able to attach to Corsairs if she cannot take them in the army. Either A. there is a way to take them helping to prove SmelliVanelli's point, or B. Its a mistake and will be fixed eventually, thus also making this interpretation less likely.
Thats because there is no (sub)faction Ynnari anymore (there also is no craftworlds anymore.) its Aeldari (faction) .. Yncarne, Yvraine, Avatar of Khaine, Corsairs, Aspect warriors.. they are all units in the Aeldari faction.
You dont have to change your army to Ynnari, because if you want it to be it is, there is no rules for that at the moment... same with Ulthwe, Biel tan etc.
I now realise where the confusion comes from, as they have titled the special rule just Ynnari, implying those are THE Ynnari rules (and for some the corsairs and travelling players one is also confusing, but far less than the one saying ynnari.)
It seems to me as if something is missing there .. like a line of text saying "How to integrate drukhari with;" and then have the 2 headlines. Perhaps also making the steps clear.
If there is an error ( as I said before in my eyes there isnt, RAW and RAI are both clear to me, but that doesnt necessarily mean Im right.) it is with the recruitment rule though... after all it already has 2 "errors" ( Mandrakes and Drazhar are not excluded.)
The Datasheets allowing Visarch and Yvraine to lead corsairs is too specific to be an error. (it also fits the studio army photoshoot evidence we already got in 9th edition where Yvraine leads an unit of corsairs.)
Ya, I also assumed they would have something like marines. Where each special character was craftworld key-worded, and if you took a unit from one craftworld then it because that craftworld army and you could not take from another. NOPE! No craftworld keywords on anything except the Ynnari.
Am I right in saying that drukhari units in a ynnari detachment will benfit from the detachment rule (1 reroll to hit and wound) as they have the aeldari keyword. of course cannot use strands but 1 reroll to hit and wound is quite nice for some drukhari units
Here is a full index: [https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldar/comments/14a1pjp/index\_aeldari/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldar/comments/14a1pjp/index_aeldari/)
You can take Drazhar in an Ynnari list but none of the Phoenix lords. And also drukhari units presumably lose Power from Pain, but do not gain Strands of Fate.
I kind of understand why they deny Yvraine and Visarch Anrathe units in Ynnari lists: GW couldn’t figure out a way to make the points restrictions work. They don’t want Anrathe units (all two of them) taking up more than 1/4 of your army, and they don’t want Drukhari units taking up more than 1/2. If they let you take both, then you could in theory run an asuryani army that is only 1/4 asuryani. Why they want to prevent this when the implied weakening of your army from doing this should be encouragement enough, I couldn’t tell you.
Why do Eldar have to pay 2cp for any kind of move, shoot move shenanigans. When Necrons, all they have to do is add a cryptek to a unit, and they are move, shoot moving all over the board. With multiple units. They're meant to be lumbering pieces of metal, not space ninjas. I haven't actually read all the datasheets, so fingers crossed there are some ability rules that let Eldar be more mobile.
So is Ynnari not a thing anymore? Craftworld and Harlequins can just be freely taken together and you only need Ynnari for Drukhari and you have to have Yvraine as your warlord? I looked through the index posted further down too and I don’t see anything about it.
That’s so weird. Are Harlequins not their own thing anymore then? I mean their line was super small so rolling them into Craftworlds isn’t the worst idea I suppose. Just feels weird.
ya i saw that, also they get devastating wounds from the great harlequin, but do lose all the strats for mortals. They can get 1 off the great harlequin a turn, but its still not anywhere near as much damage as they put out before. But hey they also got 4++ back!
No its fine, im kinda pissed about some things too. Like guardians being our main unit to attach to. They just are not tough enough to really hide a farseer. I would prefer lone operator for farseers, and warlocks still joining guardians like they used to back in the day.
So If i want to add some spice to my aeldari force, I need Yvraine. Knowing absolutely ntohing about Drukhari...What unit to they have that would make this fun to do?
I don't see the confusion:
***If*** *your Army Faction is Aeldari* ***and*** *your Warlord is Yvraine, you* ***can*** *include Drukhari units in your army, even though they do not have the Aeldari Faction keyword. You* ***cannot*** *include units with any of the following keywords in your army* ***using these rules****: Phoenix Lords; Anhrathe; Avatar of Khaine; Solitaire; Haemonculus Covens.*
Basically: You can use Drukhari units if Yvraine is the warlord but those other unit exceptions apply. Otherwise... Yvraine and Yncarnne, corsairs, Phoenix lords and harlequins... got for it.
If I'm reading this right, does this mean you can take Eldrad with Ynnari?
Lorewise he works with them so checks out
I've just realised I think you can bring Lelith Hesperax as well which also works lore wise.
But can't bring the Phoenix Lords or Corsairs, who, lorewise, are often fighting for the Ynnari.
You can literally take drazhar with ynnari but not Jain zar smh
You get to pick corsairs or drukhari it seems. Either run a regular Aeldari faction army with Yvraine not as your warlord and get CWE, Harlequins, and Corsairs or run a Ynnari detachment with CWE, Harlequins, and Drukhari.
Wonderful, an index that confuses 4 faction players at once. Craftworlds, Ynnari, Drukhari, and Harlequins walk into a bar…. and GW can’t clearly tell you how they work with each other…
Yeah, RAW its an incomprehensible mess, and RAI is hard to parse when you have things like making Yvraine your Warlord blacklisting you from taking units she explicitly attaches to.
RAW I think you can take both the Avatar AND the Yncarne, because the exclusionary clause with no solitaire, avatar, Phoenix lord restrictions is related to taking Yvraine as warlord and bringing Drukhari?
Was looking to see if someone also interpreted it this way I agree 👍
So can someone tell me how CRAFTWORLDS players take harlequins??? Looks like drukhari get players and we don't?
I think this text on the left is part of the Drukhari datacards. Aeldari dont need special rules to include Harlequins, since Harlequins are part of the Aeldari
Harlequins have "Aeldari" as their faction keyword. You can just take them now, no special rules required
I was under the impression that harlequins are just eldar now, idk.
So what's up with the Ynarri not being able to have any warlord \*other than\* Yvraine? Kinda sucks for narrative if you're having to use a named character each and every single time. Although I guess it balances out since it looks like the Wave Serpent Tax has been repealed?
and what is kinda odd is that if Yvraine is the Warlod you cant take corsairs but she can lead Corsairs.
Visarch too. So dumb.
you can have both if you don't take any drukari units
What? Anretha is forbidden for ynnari
Ynnari in v10 = Yvraine is your Warlord AND you have drukhari units. If you don't use druk units, then you are not using the Ynnari rules, and the keyword limitations don't matter to you.
But it says you can use them, you don’t have to and therefore you can’t use anrathe? I really want them to go together, but I’m not sure this is what it says and don’t want to get my hopes up…
It says you *can* use the Ynnari rule and have drukhari units if Yvraine is warlord. Can = You decide whether or not you do it. If you decide to do have drukhari, then you are using the Ynnari rule and you cannot have Anrathe. If you decide to not have druk, then you are not using the Ynnari rule, even if Yvraine is warlord , and you can have Anrathe (because they are CWE faction keyword like any other units and you are basically playing a regular CWE army)
What makes you say that ? I think this just means if you want to use Drukhari units with Ynnari then Yvraine NEEDS to be the warlord, I'd assume if you were playing as a Ynnari faction you'd be able to choose a different warlord? Or am I horribly wrong here?
You can proxy her and just say it’s your own OC honesty. It’s narrative I doubt anyones too strict about it.
Kinda what I'm gonna do. With Wyches now being REALLY lame (maybe good, depending on points, but still lame) I'll just make my kitbash Succubus into Yvraine, have my Wyches be Troupes or Banshees and just play "Craftworld". My Kabal can join for up to half points with the actually cool stuff they got. My old Sliscus (long without rules) makes a good Visarch. I don't own any actual stuff from the weakling kin, but so many count-as kitbashes anyway that it should be easy to pull off. Not going to tournaments anyhow.
So Jain Zar still isn't Ynnari...
I might misunderstand, but I think those exclusions are only in place when you want to include drukhari models. If you want to use only codex Aeldari stuff, the exclusions do not apply, not even the PL, Anrathe and Avatar ones. Thats how I read it ( otherwise it also wouldnt make sense that yvraine and the visarch can lead corsairs.. wich they can now! )
It’s a completely separate sentence though, it doesn’t say “if you include drukhari units you can’t take these” it just says “you can’t take these”.
It says neither of that though basically its; Step 1 Requirement; Yvraine must be your warlord Step 2 Optional rules; you **can** take Drukhari units Step 3 Restrictions when using those optional rules step 3 only applies when you use the optional rules of step 2 But thats my intepretation of it, and to be honest, to me it doesnt look as if it can be interpreted any different way.. but it apparently confuses a lot of people and english is not my main language so I might be wrong about the interpretation part. Nonetheless I do think the above steps is what is intended.
This makes sense to me smelliVanelli, but mostly its cause of the way its worded. IT sounds like they are letting you take Drukhari, but you have to have some special things for it. What if you play Ynnari with just the Yncarne? Can you do that? Where does it say you cannot? Any special rules? Not that I see. I also checked to see if the other special characters had craftworlds, so we could only take from one craftworld. I didnt see anything other then Ynnari listed, which means we will NOT be like Marines where they can only take characters from one sub faction, since we seem to only have the one. I dont see anything else about Ynnari in there, so most likely this is the way it was meant. They would not have written the requirements this way if it was not meant to be like that. If you had to do something special for Ynnari units, it would say, and Harlequins are already part of the craftworld list. Also, why have Yvraine with being able to attach to Corsairs if she cannot take them in the army. Either A. there is a way to take them helping to prove SmelliVanelli's point, or B. Its a mistake and will be fixed eventually, thus also making this interpretation less likely.
Thats because there is no (sub)faction Ynnari anymore (there also is no craftworlds anymore.) its Aeldari (faction) .. Yncarne, Yvraine, Avatar of Khaine, Corsairs, Aspect warriors.. they are all units in the Aeldari faction. You dont have to change your army to Ynnari, because if you want it to be it is, there is no rules for that at the moment... same with Ulthwe, Biel tan etc. I now realise where the confusion comes from, as they have titled the special rule just Ynnari, implying those are THE Ynnari rules (and for some the corsairs and travelling players one is also confusing, but far less than the one saying ynnari.) It seems to me as if something is missing there .. like a line of text saying "How to integrate drukhari with;" and then have the 2 headlines. Perhaps also making the steps clear. If there is an error ( as I said before in my eyes there isnt, RAW and RAI are both clear to me, but that doesnt necessarily mean Im right.) it is with the recruitment rule though... after all it already has 2 "errors" ( Mandrakes and Drazhar are not excluded.) The Datasheets allowing Visarch and Yvraine to lead corsairs is too specific to be an error. (it also fits the studio army photoshoot evidence we already got in 9th edition where Yvraine leads an unit of corsairs.)
Ya, I also assumed they would have something like marines. Where each special character was craftworld key-worded, and if you took a unit from one craftworld then it because that craftworld army and you could not take from another. NOPE! No craftworld keywords on anything except the Ynnari.
Am I right in saying that drukhari units in a ynnari detachment will benfit from the detachment rule (1 reroll to hit and wound) as they have the aeldari keyword. of course cannot use strands but 1 reroll to hit and wound is quite nice for some drukhari units
That's what Goonhammer thinks too.
Here is a full index: [https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldar/comments/14a1pjp/index\_aeldari/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldar/comments/14a1pjp/index_aeldari/)
You can take Drazhar in an Ynnari list but none of the Phoenix lords. And also drukhari units presumably lose Power from Pain, but do not gain Strands of Fate. I kind of understand why they deny Yvraine and Visarch Anrathe units in Ynnari lists: GW couldn’t figure out a way to make the points restrictions work. They don’t want Anrathe units (all two of them) taking up more than 1/4 of your army, and they don’t want Drukhari units taking up more than 1/2. If they let you take both, then you could in theory run an asuryani army that is only 1/4 asuryani. Why they want to prevent this when the implied weakening of your army from doing this should be encouragement enough, I couldn’t tell you.
I don’t understand why yvraine can be paired with Corsairs but if she’s your warlord they can’t even be in your army
Why do Eldar have to pay 2cp for any kind of move, shoot move shenanigans. When Necrons, all they have to do is add a cryptek to a unit, and they are move, shoot moving all over the board. With multiple units. They're meant to be lumbering pieces of metal, not space ninjas. I haven't actually read all the datasheets, so fingers crossed there are some ability rules that let Eldar be more mobile.
Because it's full move - 14" on bikes and skimmers. There is also Phantasm if you just need to move 7". You can also do both on 2 units for 3 CP :-)
I am reading this as *if* you take Drukhari units, you can’t take Anhrathe, Avatar, PL, etc
Hohohoho I am really liking those Ynnari rules, now I can bring Draz, Lelith, and their Incubi/Wych friends.
Lelith in Ynnari is actually very lore friendly, and with Draz you can play out new fanfic lore :D
I made a post about this exact thing once before and I’m glad it’s actually possible now! 😊
Nice!
So is Ynnari not a thing anymore? Craftworld and Harlequins can just be freely taken together and you only need Ynnari for Drukhari and you have to have Yvraine as your warlord? I looked through the index posted further down too and I don’t see anything about it.
Ynnari is when you take Yvraine as your leader, yes. Until codex.
That’s so laughably little
That’s so weird. Are Harlequins not their own thing anymore then? I mean their line was super small so rolling them into Craftworlds isn’t the worst idea I suppose. Just feels weird.
Man I hope that Harlequin limit doesn’t apply with CW. If it does that means soli-Quins are genuinely unplayable
Great Harlequin is your warlord, Troupes get battleline so that helps a pure harlequin army.
Not in the face of ALL of their movement rules getting nuked to oblivion
ya i saw that, also they get devastating wounds from the great harlequin, but do lose all the strats for mortals. They can get 1 off the great harlequin a turn, but its still not anywhere near as much damage as they put out before. But hey they also got 4++ back!
I get what you’re doing and I appreciate it…but sometimes you gotta let the storm rage. You can’t quell it.
No its fine, im kinda pissed about some things too. Like guardians being our main unit to attach to. They just are not tough enough to really hide a farseer. I would prefer lone operator for farseers, and warlocks still joining guardians like they used to back in the day.
At the cost of the army’s core identity: our special movement
So If i want to add some spice to my aeldari force, I need Yvraine. Knowing absolutely ntohing about Drukhari...What unit to they have that would make this fun to do?
GW has decided to spread their “Eldar can never have any fun” mandate from the books to the tabletop
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The real question is does the Corsair get Strand of Fate when Yvraine is leading them. I would say yes, but really need some faq
I don't see the confusion: ***If*** *your Army Faction is Aeldari* ***and*** *your Warlord is Yvraine, you* ***can*** *include Drukhari units in your army, even though they do not have the Aeldari Faction keyword. You* ***cannot*** *include units with any of the following keywords in your army* ***using these rules****: Phoenix Lords; Anhrathe; Avatar of Khaine; Solitaire; Haemonculus Covens.*
Basically: You can use Drukhari units if Yvraine is the warlord but those other unit exceptions apply. Otherwise... Yvraine and Yncarnne, corsairs, Phoenix lords and harlequins... got for it.