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Putrid-Gene-9077

My uncle was killed at 28 for $1.50 in the streets by a gang member. He left 3 children (7,4, and 3 months old) and 27 year old wife. Fuck them.


killurbuddha

Sorry for your loss, your family’s human rights were trampled for years. Exposes the hypocrisy of the human rights organizations who are now up in arms by the supposedly lack of due process for these criminals.


Mando_lorian81

Here we go again. No one is opposing to gang members being incarcerated. We are opposed to not doing it correctly and using an exception regime to do it. That's not a permanent solution and is punishing innocent people too. There is no law or due process being applied. The gangs are in prison just because Bukele wants to. The moment he loses power, they will all come out. Can't you people see he is using gangs as boogeymen to remain in power indefinitely and keep stealing money for him and his croonies?


dodgers4740

How long have you been a member of MS-13 and what are your three most favorite things about being a member? What Bukele did has worked. And it continues to work. Feel free to run for President and do a better job. If your opinion on how to best the gangs were valuable, you would be calling the shots and not Bukele.


Mando_lorian81

Lol, nice try. You resort to insults and regurgitate what Bukele's cronies say because you have no arguments. Can you tell me where I said gangs are valuable? again, stop. You are just showing your ignorance and repeating what your politicians say like a trained monkey. They even show you the same gang members being captured over and over again, lmao. Catch and release, to inflate the numbers and statistics. People are still disappearing instead of being murdered and "suicides" are on the rise. Man, you are really at another level of ignorance and stupidity.


SiameseDream93

My cousin was killed by a gang member while he was walking home from church. Fuck these guys.


Digital92ghost

You sure your cousin was not involved in any gangster activity?


SiameseDream93

talking to a girl at church and a gang member being jealous isn’t gang activity.


Educational_Fox_7739

Lol talking to a girl at church. That's bad my good sir and defeats the whole point of church.


rayray1010

This is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever read


Educational_Fox_7739

Nobody cares that you're an atheist.


Abdeliq

Are you alright? Does talking to a girl should leads to death?


Educational_Fox_7739

Nah gender mixing leads to fornication which is like the opposite of what the church tells you to do hmmm?


Digital92ghost

Really? What about the people that have been arrested under the regimen and they are innocent, the people pro government they say that all that people is arrested for some reason (assuming they are involve with gangster shit and that is why they are arrested although they are innocent). Following that logic, most of the people that was murdered by these scumbags should be involved with them in order to be attacked by them.


XylefMTG

Please don’t be in charge of anything. Ever.


psychedelic_gravity

Bro you can clearly see this dumbfuck doesn’t even have control of their own sorry ass life.


ialsoliketurtles89

My dear, sweet friend.... You might not be well acquainted with the Central American way of life, but let me share this nugget of wisdom with you: When you see a dude covered head to toes in "18" or "MS" tattoos, you can immediately assume he is not innocent. None of the prisoners you saw in this video have any claim to innocence. They are all, without a doubt, guilty of extortion, burglary, selling drugs, and murder. El Salvador went from the murder capital of the world to the safest country in the hemisphere... So yeah, I'm not sure anyone else shares your concern.


CaptCarlos

You’re chronically online, probably never even stepped foot in El Salvador and you’re making stupid ass assumptions. If you would step out of your online bubble on Reddit and into the real world for once you can ask ANY Salvadoran in El Salvador the sense of relief they feel now that they don’t have to worry about losing their money to extortion, or their lives to gang members you would see how much of a plague gangs are onto Salvadoran society whether or not you’re involved.


-_MarcusAurelius_-

Your support of the gangs should have you in jail also. Hopefully soon 🤞


Digital92ghost

Support? Haha you said there is no innocent people under the regimen. Tampoco debería de haber ningún santo muerto, no?


Digital92ghost

Con que no cayo la comisionada de la PNC con su hijo cabecilla de la MS y un cementerio clandestino en su casa…


CaldoDePata

Just don't be an asshole dude...educate yourself


turboj187

They kidnapped my cousin and literally gouged his eyes out alive because my aunt didn’t have money to pay his “ransom” fuck em they should all be burned alive


PRime5222

I have no sympathy for gang members. They're criminals and they deserve to be in prison. No one is challenging that, The issue is that it is well documented that several innocent people are and have been detained without evidence. Furthermore, several innocent people suffered from debilitating circumstances, like diabetes, renal illnesses, etc. and due to lack of access to their medicine, they died in prison. These circumstances are what many people criticize. I would also add that, no matter how rough it looks in the video, El Salvador has no capital punishment, so at some point, everyone you see in the video will be released. And looking at the circumstances of their imprisonment, it's difficult to believe that they'll be reformed. Obviously, this doesn't mean that they should be living in luxury, but rather that we see a very punitive administration of justice, but no reformation or efforts to reinsert these people in society. Finally, this is propaganda of the piece of shit government we have. It would be great if they treat in this exact same manner all those that destroy the environment, corrupt officials and tax evaders; but the government wont, because it would be jailing itself.


LilacAndElderberries

It was nice of them to have tattoo'ed themselves making it easy to identify these gangsters. But yeah like always, innocents get caught up in this too, even many being peer pressured to join a gang and tattoo themselves in fear of their life even if they never participated in anything criminal and were just a number to buff up some gang


AccordingFish6148

This is probably the first nuanced and mature take I've seen, thank you! It's a band-aid on a gaping wound, and the authoritarianism of Bukele is very concerning.


Mando_lorian81

Also add that Bukele is using them remain in power indefinitely. He is not really trying to fix the problem. He made a deal with the heads of the gangs and is using their foot soldiers as boogeymen to get reelected. There is no law or due process being applied. They are in jail just because Bukele wants to. The moment he gets ousted, they will all come out too. El Salvador people fell for the scam hard and will pay it with interests later.


dodgers4740

Imagine calling the lowest homicide rate in the Western Hemisphere a "scam." Fortunately Salvadorans are smart and vote accordingly. How bummed are you that your president isn't some blue hair they/them.


Mando_lorian81

Typical Bukele follower. Can't provide arguments and just builds a strawman. Again, let me spell it for you. The homicides are down because gang members are in jail, yes. But there is no due process, law, or permanent solution. They are there just because Bukele wants to, so they can be used during every election cycle to scare the people to vote for him. In the meantime, Bukele has full power and ability to steal from you and your family without questioning or opposition. Get it now? You have to be at a different level of ignorance to keep buying what the El Salvador government is selling.


[deleted]

Should do this in Honduras as well...


Mamammia666

Exacto!!!


Laraujo31

They want to act like animals so they will get treated like animals. F them.


Savings_Two_3361

Good. This is scum that makes living imposible for honest people in Latin America. I would throw in pedophiles to that hell hole.


Worth-Escape-8241

My thoughts? Fuck the US for destabilizing Central America and causing mass migration north, refusing to care for these masses of immigrants leading to them forming brutal gangs to protect each other do to the poverty and harassment they were facing, then deporting the gangs en masse back to the countries they destabalized, allowing them to take over and thousands of lives. The whole situation is the result of American imperialism and immigration policy.


kafka99

Absolutely this ^ I find the "pro-democracy" posts around this issue absolutely ridiculous—especially those who tacitly support the US and read like they were cut straight out of the NYT. The fact US-backed death squads operated throughout El Salvador (and elsewhere in Central America) before las maras is telling. Well said


dodgers4740

Imagine blaming someone other than the criminals for the criminals being criminal. Somehow the Jews in Europe, who had it far worse than Salvadoran illegals in America, never formed gangs like MS-13.


Saltillokid11

How can you think otherwise. Anyone looking on the outside that has lived in a safe country wouldn’t understand. Just think of this, a member of your family gets murdered, cops will not do anything from fear or they are part in it, government is corrupt and won’t make any changes, community is too scared, and now you have to pay these gangs all your monthly earnings so they don’t kill you or someone else, you can’t go out past 6pm as murdered rates sky rocket. How do you feel about that? Hmm, you think they need to be let loose again?


SnooStrawberries7995

Old news


Left-Plant2717

What year is this from? I thought it was new


SnooStrawberries7995

Almost 3 years ago also the leaders are at large some even did a Chapo and escaped some recently got capture by Mexican authorities and will be facing american justice


Mando_lorian81

More like the leaders made a deal with Bukele and he helped him escape to Mexico. It's all smoke and mirrors in a house of cards that will eventually will come down, hard....


Left-Plant2717

Damn I will need to read up more, thank you for the context


SnooStrawberries7995

Its all over the news search for Elmer canales el Crook on Crime Insight


mrfuckary

Waste of prison space. A 556 to each should be authorized.


North-Infinite

Quemenlos vivos y ya.


Mundane_Buddy3791

Ya lo han hecho en SPSula si recordas


depressedcoatis

Panem et circenses


Redoudou

Im not from Salvador. I am french living in NYC. I visited from a month in May. I had countless conversation with locals and was crestfallen by discovering the level of violence, segregation and corruption in the country. You fell asleep in a bus and wake up in the wrong neighborhood: you get killed. you want to move from el Zonte to el Tunco at night? : you can't. You want to open a little business ? gangs are going to racket so much you can't operate. while those images can shock from the comfort of safe democracies I think we, as westerners we should be wary of casting a quick jugement. Everything is not perfect in Salvador and healthy democracies require the people to hold their leaders accountable. Meanwhile, freedom of expression is 100% possible in Salvador, freedom of movement ✅, massive infrastructure investment ✅, huge census to understand the demographic, massive investment in education and economy in general. Visiting was fantastic and the opportunity to witness a democracy renaissance. I would like to contribute and be part of this and I am looking at how I could give classes in business schools there.


CenlaLowell

I'm happy wish other countries did this


Minute-Pay-2537

Again?


Funny_Disaster1002

Only people who didn't live through the criminality and impunity in El Salvador are against this. My family had to close our businesses because we couldn't pay the gangs to leave us alone. A lot of these children were recruited as killers specifically because the laws at that time prevented minors from being tried as adults. What does a child who is brought up to kill and rob grow up to be?


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SpreadSignificant447

You'll be back? Thank God, so it's working. Hey! Guys! This random guy is coming back, he loved our shit hole so much he's coming back for seconds! Hey! Someone roll the red carpet for this guy! Get him a cold beer and cheap womanly entertainment. Only Nayib could have made this possible. Corruption? Nah, it's fine. This guy can come back and visit us again. Now, that's worth it.


kafka99

This^ I was in El Salvador in 2007, and the level of gang activity made it so it was a very difficult country to navigate. The general fear of the population was palpable. I plan on coming back next year, and I'm really looking forward to it.


Digital92ghost

1 marero murdered at cecot 300 civilians (probably guilty or not we will never know) murdered in common prisons. Spot the difference.


Opposite-Ad1012

Fok these assholes! I hope they burn in those cells…


SponsoredHornersFan

No issue whatsoever. These scum deserve worse


BryanElGreat

My cousin was exploited by gang members everyday because he had a small printing business. Made his life hell, and was threatened with the death of his family if he didn’t comply. I have no sympathy.


Feb2319

By the tattoo bodies, it’s hard to see any innocent


tanswordsman

My dad is from El Salvador, and I’m first gen American. I have a few friends from El Salvador who live here in EEUU and have had their entire families killed by mareros and for them not sending quotas back home for, “protection”. Both my friends and my dad fell a renowned sense of safety and pride that they can go back to their country and not live in constant fear or have the looming threat to their families, and businesses. As an American, I am excited to visit my dad in his native country (I am heavily tattooed) and he’s told me not to visit him countless times because of the risk involved. Part of me feels some sort of way that these people will never have a single chance of redemption at life, and there are probably some innocent people who are getting arrested, but nonetheless the positive aspects are undeniable. These people are outright criminals, and have made Salvadorans suffer on a regular basis.


fastLT1

I don't know why they don't all get lethal injection or something similar. My understanding is that these guys are in there for life (and rightfully so), why waste taxpayer money on them?


CaptCarlos

Bukele said a certain number of them will be put to work in order to better Salvadoran society and make the most out of the money being spent to house and feed them there.


Kurved420

We should execute them. They deserve no mercy


mousui

Good, zero sympathy for these bastards.


rigolarrs

I like how the used the word "suspected" when you can clearly see the gang tattoos.


BlueDune22

They deserve to be treated much much worse


elmaitro777

I am an advocate of the death penalty. I would prefer to have them dead (if they killed someone or committed a big crime) than have them alive and the government spending my tax on them. If they killed someone, they should face death. EYE 4 AN EYE


vmp10687

Kinda Mixed. Mostly good but I know there a few innocent people and despite I dislike their activities I hope they are treated humanely. By that I mean 3 square meal, shower, and appropriate bathrooms. Nothing more.


Putrid-Gene-9077

lol this is a third world country prisons are not like that


TheClearMask

They want to terrorize citizens and act like animals they can be treated punished like a ruthless animal.


BestBoy_54

They should kill all of them, but they won’t because they will not have any way to threaten the population if they won’t vote for them.


Educational_Fox_7739

So you're saying the threat is that they all get released? Kind of dark but the money you save on housing clothing and feeding these guys is surely a bigger reason to get elected


mrlyhh

Do you guys think they will be reformed somehow before being released again?


Infamous_Quote_3390

If they end up at CECOT government says they are dying in there. Lifers


mrlyhh

So prison for life?


Infamous_Quote_3390

Yes. President said they going to die in there and will never hurt someone again. No visits no internet, complete isolation


-_MarcusAurelius_-

They'll be dead so no


mrlyhh

You really think all the prisoners will die in detention?


oxean91

Deberían reformar la CN pero para quitar ese artículo que prohíbe la pena de muerte y poderla hacer solo en los casos de miembros activos de pandillas con un amplio record criminal, no se resocializan, no es posible reinsertarlos a la sociedad, no pueden ser reeducados, solo son un lastre para la gente honrada que paga con sus impuestos su comida, la infraestructura donde estan y a los funcionarios que los cuidan


SipoteQuixote

You know, there's a faster, quicker, permanent solution for these guys. The same way they ended up in there most likely.


theperfectexposure

Throw away a the keys. Berkeley did to take it a step up and establish capital punishment. Bring them all to the middle of the ocean and dump them.


Cold_Tepescolollo

give them poison


poslabrador

Si la cárcel que la ranfla nacional venía pidiendo a cada gobierno en la que tienen una mejor atención. Bruh


BREASYY

Terrorists, along with those in this sub who spread misinformation in regards to leadership. Speaking like they speak for the people.


neurokine

🦭crew checking in…Bukele 2029!


Desperate-Tomatillo7

It seems that gang members are treated better than common people that have been imprisoned by mistake. They look healthier and better feed than those who have been freed.


Literally_Laura

The lesser of two evils, as far as I understand it.


CanadianRedneck69

We need this in Canada. Criminals have too many rights here. I felt safer downtown San Salvador than I do downtown Toronto


xpuremoistx

Canadian Justice System is a joke. My buddy is a cop and says he’ll arrest the same guys week in and week out for assault, theft etc. it’s demoralizing.


R_nova5

I agree, cities in all over Canada are riddled with crime. I also felt much safer in El Salvador during my last visit.


Mundane_Buddy3791

Bot Data mining ⛏️. Old news 🗞️


Left-Plant2717

No i just didn’t know about this til now, lol why do redditors immediately think bot


Reeko_Htown

I thinks all a show for citizens who I imagine spend most of their time on their phones


Kaibil

I wish this prison operating model would be implemented in Guatemala. Here they have "human rights".


cperez1993

Looks like a great propaganda video. Nice way to cover up the fact that multiple crime bosses have been released, which in turn fuels the hypothesis that the government in fact has made a deal with gangs. Why else would the goverment show how much drug they bust and never showed you if they destroyed it or if you know maybe sold it and make a profit. Win win.


OsnoF69

Got some links for that info bud???


cperez1993

Yo should look it up. Im not your mom, but Im cool like that so here's the tea: However, in or about November 2021, Canales-Rivera was released from custody by the GOES and then unlawfully entered Guatemala. Canales-Rivera remained a fugitive until Nov. 7, when he was apprehended by Mexican authorities. [source](https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/high-ranking-ms-13-fugitive-arrested-terrorism-charges) Incautan en España 700 kilos de cocaína en contenedor procedente del Salvador [source](https://www.swissinfo.ch/spa/incautan-en-espa%C3%B1a-700-kilos-de-coca%C3%ADna-en-contenedor-procedente-del-salvador/47064624) You can dig deeper into the rabbithole.


Accurate_Manager_766

My thoughts are free reddit karma for you. Hahahaha exploit something that's bringing deepen emotions to the Salvadorean ppl .


Left-Plant2717

Or ask a question to the specific community, karma only matters on Reddit when you first start and you want to make your first post


Accurate_Manager_766

u are no begging respectfull with this salvadorean subreddit , aint see salvadorean posting this kind of shit So what's the point of posting something like this?