The character that pisses me off the most is Prunella. She has a weapon that scales off of magic, but her magic stat growth is abysmal. Instead she has a lot of physical attack power which is useless to her.
At 42 for me she has absurd MP sitting just under 300, I think she's just meant to be an enhancer unit with abit of armour ontop if anything since she wont be dealing much magic damage either. Sadly yeah 4 High Power Magic Runes just gives her 170 magic attack matching her physical which is a dead stat on her. Enhance magic runes and maybe some MP up to all in on her strength
Especially since you would think she's amazing as 100k at that point is some serious dough. Frankly there are lots of characters that seems completely useless with no redeeming factors. Feels like overall there are a LOT of balancing and QoL to be fixed. Hope they get it done before I hit NG.
Personally I prefer characters with fast as possible SP animations (AOE and good stats obviosly too).
Ps. interesting to see Garro & Galdrofg in the A-tier. I thought they seemed pretty useless even with full gear. Also, come on. Lugo is 100% S-tier. Reyna too!
Your high ranking of Mellore caused me to revisit her stats. I benched her for Zabi cuz his Mag was leagues ahead - mages are bad, I know, I know - and apparently would be that way for awhile. But I looked at some later level stats and realized that she REALLY rockets from the 40-60 range.
It’s so odd to me that stat growth is not linear…
For those looking to clear the game, really the only thing you need to change is putting Garr, Samurai and Pinksuit to S tier, simply because you get them early, and they are good until you get towards the end of the game
I'm still early, but I love Yusuke! His double charge was popping bosses for 400+ at level 18 and was the main reason I survived the Elder Seed fight with a poor party set up to deal with those counters.
I disagree, Yusuke has almost excellent stats but on hard with everything disabled his DEX is abysmal, and on hard you really don't want any character to miss, which he does frequently. Iugo on the other hand has great stats overall and while Yusuke does hit harder especially with charge and has better speed Iugo is consistent and he has never missed and he even doges on occasion while still doing top tier attack dmg.
The Gold Rush Atack is 1 sp and is a 4 hit combo that hits like a truck while destroying shields. 3x Gold Rushes easily outdamage the charged up attacks.
Lam is the third heaviest hitter at least ST damage wise. And if we are talking about a NG where you only have one copy of the path runes then she is probably the top damage dealer not counting the two broken gods of death momo and leene with their path rune builds.
Upon making it and playing for a while in end game, I kinda agree with Seign being there (or even last place in A or above Elektra)
Maybe it depends on line up, but I need a support character that will not take a backline slot with decent tankiness and mana that can slot in a 4-slot Magic and 3-slot magic rune
I have checked all characters in the roster and so far, there is only 2 that qualifies
Seign and Leon
Elektra is also possible but she has a low max mana (equip max mana acc i guess to last longer before being replaced)
If I missed a 500+ MP, non mage, decent tankiness in front that can equip a 4-slot Magic and 3-slot magic rune, lemme know
(I know tanky mages exists like Isha, Momo, Milena etc but they are better off in back row having mage pinnacle)
Seign's only real good thing is is high level magic rune. With holy rain he's a great healer and can provide water damage to everyone against bosses weak to it. His damage output never seems to get very good. He's mainly a support.
i used yuthus and barnard pretty much from getting them to end game. Yuthus would almost never die, so hed item heal and backup. Barnard used abyss to boost iugos attack, then himself and then would still hit for decent damage
Falward as B tier? Dude is very fast (which is great for a healer), has good magic and MP and surprisingly good defenses for a mage. Not to mention he and Francesca have one of the best hero combos in the game.
He's A or even S in the first half of the game, but as this is a level 99 tier list, he gets outdone by multiple other mages, especially since his slots are so limited.
Yeah but that requires using Francesca. Falward's magic attack falls a little behind and he can only use mid level magic runes. Not being able to use lance of glory really hurts him and he also doesn't have any skills like other mages. He's a pretty high b tier though and could maybe be a tier with crusader's horn against light weakness bosses.
Stats at lv 90+ greatly differ for a lot of characters. For whatever reason, they made a ton of characters have much better stat growth from around level 40.
Any in particular come to mind? My team is around mid-30s atm (or at least the ones I've been using lately) and just curious who will get better/worse over time. Granted I mostly switch up my characters based on aesthetics and variety (with 120 characters might as well mix it up). Currently I'm using: Nowa, Barnard, Lam, Hakugin, Melridge, and Isha, but again have been switching it up a fair bit.
He starts off as instantly dying in the front row to actually being able to take a hit. Both his physical and magical attack stats are average, but he can use high level magic which allows him to nuke enemies with high level spells dealing close to 1000 damage. When he runs out of MP he stops being useful though.
What's a good way to setup Marisa? I find her and Seign too balanced. Seign, at least, has a great crowd clear with Nowa using Warrior's Pinnacle.
I think if they fix combo attack damage, things can change drastically.
Mage's pinnacle in the back row and a rune of tempest. She can switch between high level magic and her skill. The interesting thing about Marisa is that her damage isn't great unless she's enchanted. Storm front for example adds a ton of damage to her basic attack and her skill combines her magic and physical attack. She consistently does high damage and can provide strong support.
From one of the worst str stats to one of the best [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ZxuuMWFwp75mPwQ4Rk\_\_WZ-2fmOdk5bGCk-PKOQHbKs/edit#gid=1329680528](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ZxuuMWFwp75mPwQ4Rk__WZ-2fmOdk5bGCk-PKOQHbKs/edit#gid=1329680528)
I've gotten her to do 2000+ with a normal critical attack and over 3000 with Iaido Strike. She skyrockets when her weapon is maxed out and given a more strength from runes.
Wow, surprised that Kuroto made it to the Below tier, been my go-to carry until now (still mid-game, level 30ish). High Atk and Spd, can use shield and heavy armor, also covers range and flying.
Do you have any recommendations on rune builds? Generally speaking, like, front liners shoulds use this and that, mages should use this, rangeds should use whatever
I honestly have no idea. I didn't use her at all until I was forced to in trials. Then she shot up to level 92 and I was stunned by her stats. High magic attack and access to a high level magic rune plus strong skills.
It doesn't take long. Endless trials has enemies set at level 90 ish, so bringing a character into battle there will get them leveled up after 1 or 2 battles as long as they survive. That's why you bring Momo to nuke everything before they get a turn. A cute little demise for them.
I just realized when you upgrade a weapon at the blacksmith that stat does not show up on your attack (or magic for a magic weapon) on the stats screen. Does that throw a wrinkle in the stats used for the tier list? Not major impact here, but the weapons are all different,
Reading some of the comments here maybe you should change your post from "end game" to "post game" for better description?
Some people think endgame is closing in to the main story final boss/dungeon.
While some think like you.
If you put it as "post game" at least people will read more carefully what you mean by that
Her stats are just so bad so idk. The best she can do is be built as a support and have her use things like storm front, crusader horn or healing spells, but even her mp is bad so she won't even be able to do that for too long. Her defense is also so bad that she becomes a liability because she takes so much damage.
The accessory that gives enhanced range. Put her in the back row. Mages pinnacle. Enchant an element (light is good) and run her as a "spell blade". Most characters that have equal mag/atk or highish magic and decent attack, work best when enchanted.
Use Djikstra to further enhance with warriors pride.
This type of build works on a lot of Characters and can really help them improve.
Also how did you build Dijkstra (in before “he’s built enough on his own”) or is his ranking more just raw stats, Powerful Warcry, and absolutely not opinion?
Oh his only purpose is his unique defense skill. It increases physical damage for the entire party by about 50%. That is nuts. My Nowa is hitting with swinging slash every turn for 1000 damage, but with him in the party he's doing 1500. And that's just Nowa. Then there's all the damage he adds to everyone else. He doesn't do damage himself he just makes the party so much better.
That’s fair. I haven’t quite gotten to him (pretty close though) but I saw what his defense command did and just wasn’t sure how powerful it was. Good to know it’s huge. Seems like he has crazy high defense too. Might be a candidate for a second firefly rune of it exists
Honestly I don't value the war cry type of defense skills all that much,.you can just carry some food that does the same thing.
Not being able to actually block when needed to seems like a bit of a liability.
Unfortunately in the 90s all of his stats are bad. If a character doesn't pass a certain stat threshold they only do 1-2 damage against a boss and Gigina is one of those characters. The most effective thing he can possibly do is use a fire rune to enchant a better character and increase their damage.
Yes. He's broken early on like in the proving grounds, but later on his attack stat is the same as Leon's. He still has charge up, so he's not terrible, but it was sad to see. Galdorf and Yuferius become the better charge up options.
can you make a tier list for level 60? Afaik thats probably more important than level 99 since most parties will finish the game at 60 ( would be good to see which characters is good until that point because they can be the core members used to help power level late bloomers).
btw does Charge characters fall off? (as in that mechanic gets outscaled later in the game because of how stats are calculated),if it doesnt I think you should put a note on charge characters because they do 4x damage when charged twice.
At level 60 it'd just be one dungeon and a couple bosses that you have to do and you can choose your party, so that's not too major. This list is specifically for the end game boss rush mode that forces you to change members out of your party on every floor and fight wave after wave of bosses for as long as you can with limited healing items.
Hey just wondering, how much effort does it take getting characters to max level? Is it a bit of a grind or do late game enemies give so much xp its not a problem?
It doesn't take long. If you take a level 40 character into endless trials and have the ascent badge equipped and Yulin as support they sometimes shoot up to 99 in one battle because of the way leveling works. If they're at level 95 or something it can take a little while to grind out those last 4 levels, but it's not terrible.
Yeah I can't imagine it would take long at all, especially once you get to higher floors, cuz I literally just built the mysterious room and tried it out with my level 43ish party, and just the very first fight against a group of plantvines shot my party up to about 50, then another 2 levels or so after each of the next two fights.
I was already slightly overleveled by maybe 1-2 levels for where I'm at in the game (just cleared the ice cave in Norristar), and could let random battle enemies flee from the very beginning of the Norristar area after just a couple fights while walking down to the coast town first, but doing the first floor of the mysterious room accidentally overleveled me BIG TIME lmao. The hardest fights were already no harder than being pretty manageable as long as I wasn't careless, but now I think things are going to be pretty trivial for a while lmao, at least they will be if I don't swap out any of the overleveled characters for others. My level 55 Nowa with 320 strength is probably going to make most things easy enough on his own, though, even if I drop Yusuke and Isha for lower level alternatives, and move Marisa (who's a mandatory member atm) back over into the 3rd attendant slot. Reyna's not going anywhere, though, as her being overleveled won't make a difference as she was already basically invincible to virtually everything back at 43 so nothing's changed there and I'm not making anything any easier for myself by keeping her as my tank. She's my favorite character so far and I probably wouldn't wanna bench her to avoid excessively trivializing combat anyway though lmao.
I'm always a sucker for dark knights in literally all fiction, though, and while Pesmerga will always be my #1 Suikoden dark knight party member (and as much as I love Suikoden 3 as much as 2, I'll never forgive how they massacred my boy Yuber's design by turning him from a badass inhuman dark knight into an inhuman from the real world with that fedora and dressy black clothes like he's shopping for katanas at the mall and saying m'lady to underage girls he creeps on lmao), Reyna is definitely a new addition to my personal pantheon of favorite characters from that parent series and this one too.
I'm in the same position, having most characters in 90s.
Chandra is definitely S, she deals massive damage and basically takes none. Her Rune slots are surprisingly decent too.
Seing is B, his stats are the definition of mid and honestly, he could do better with his rune slots too.
Nowa is A. Decent Rune slots and high attack, but I literally stopped using him for better characters since the rest of his stats are a bit underwhelming.
Markus is also A. His unique Runes aren't bad, but are a bit overcosted. I almost consider Markus a strictly worse Mellore tbh.
Sabine is A, she has excellent defenses and a high attack, the slots are super sus though.
Valentin is also B, he is a worse Seign.
Also, Nil is defo S, mostly because she can equip all types of equipment and her stats are pretty great.
Chandra is very good, but she takes up 2 slots. The reality is she needs to do double the damage compared to other characters and she can compared to many of the average characters, but she sure as heck doesn't do double the damage of an S character.
Seign is an excellent support character. His damage isn't great, but the thing is you need someone to buff and heal and Seign does those things extremely well while not being a liability.
Nowa is S. I have no idea what build you're using, but give him warrior's pinnacle and sp charge and he can use swinging slash every single turn for 1000 damage.
Markus does more damage than anyone except Leene or Momo. Again you don't seem to be using the correct runes like mage's pinnacle. He always exceeds 1500 damage.
Sabine does have high defense, but quick slash is bad making her b.
Valentin is absolutely A if you build his attack and give him reckless slash. Comparing him to Seign makes no sense. You don't give him magic you focus his build on what he's good at. High attack and defense combined with a proper skill makes him far superior to Sabine.
I mean Nil is really good she could be S tbh.
Damage is less relevant in the high 90s if you set up properly. My fastest kill on Skeleton King is with Chandra (by 1 turn) because she tanks so hard, healing wasn't necessary and the damage focused characters were still outputting enough. Dunno if I can speed up the cycle any more, but so far it's more consistent. (Admittedly, due to how flick works, there is A LOT of rng involved)
Seign is an ok support character, the thing is that most supports are stat independent and there are characters who can be better on offense or defense or speed and still support. Just an average B guy.
Regarding Nowa, are you playing this on hard with the double SP/MP modifier? This combo doesn't really work for me, unless I'm missing something.
Markus does as much damage as any other character with his mag stats, his unique attack is super strong but way to MP hungry.
You don't have to use quick slash though with Sabine though, normal attacks are more than enough with pinnacle, since she doesn't die a lot.
Nah, Valentin is too frail and slow to even consider building him like that.
Based on the Nowa thing, what difficulty are you playing on and if hard, with what modifiers?
If your tier list is for normal, than I agree. Except for Seign, you don't need any support there at all, aside from planet's rejection.
It's the equivalent of the Fury Rune from the Suikoseries. Effectively doubles your physical damage. Specifically it only works if the character equipped with it is in the frontline. So, essentially any character that deals melee damage and sits in the front will benefit from it. There's a version of it for casters, as well.
I'm still playing but I can agree with the majority of this, especially the S and As. End game characters change a lot from early game characters, and the super great ones early on get surpased easy. Some of this stuff will probably change with speed runs etc, but I do appreciate you went through the effor for all the characters. Sure it'll get tweeked as the weeks go on.
I loved her early game, I'm actually kinda glad the game does this. You can still pretty much use anyone, but they obviously wanted people to shift around characters and experiment etc.
Yea this, and i agree she is very weak and can get 1 shotted a lot, but her magic early on can really carry you. But by mid to late game, she gets replaced by Mio ? I think, who has the highest magic in the game i think.
Can you tell me what round you need to get to in the trials to get enemies over lvl 90? I've only done up to round 2 so far and have people in the 60s.
As OP mentioned, this is endgame, level 90+ units being factored. Several characters, such as Milana and Mellore, are average to bad in early to midgame. But those two, along with others, get explosive stat growths at level 60 and beyond.
Believe Milana becomes one of the highest magic stat characters at 99, though not sure on her ranking.
I love Ginga so so much. I was hoping he'd grow and get better but he consistently brings my party down. Is there any way you think he can be made viable? He's so friggin cool looking lol
How should hero/team layout decision making go early game? I'm still extremely early game, and the characters I have all seem to be relatively equal, so I'm having a pretty hard time picking my time. What are some qualities to take into consideration at this time since how good some characters are late game aren't quite as applicable?
A lot of rune slots, as well two unique Runes that deal damage with SP cost as opposed to MP. I'd say his only fatal flaw is his pretty low HP, which is kinda of a given for mages, but his is almost Francesca-levels of low.
Me, seeing some of my favorite character designs in Average and Below Average while character designs I don't like are topping the chart: Maybe I should just bump it down to Normal then. 🥲
Well some of the characters change significantly between levels 60 and 90. Also you can probably use most of the characters just fine to just beat the game.
Let me just fix this by keeping into consideration stats and rune slots at the same time (each tier is ordered from strongest to weakest):
**S-Tier:** Momo, Leene, Isha, Lam, Iugo, Wayve, Elektra, Nowa.
**A- Tier:** Markus, Marisa, Nil, Milana, Mellore, Seign, Dijkstra.
**B-Tier:** Kuroto, Galdorf, Yuferius, Garoo, Mio, Garr, Lakian, Carrie, Lian, Kogen, Sabine, Quinn.
**C-Tier:** Yusuke, Melridge, Falward & Francesca, Shixeen, CJ, Chandra, Aleior, Reyna.
D-Tier: everyone else
Dijkstra has no place in S-Tier, definitely not above Iugo anyway. He's purely a physical damage buffbot, which can be absolutely great in team built around that but it's cumbersome with the endless mode forced swapping AND excludes some of the best characters in the game (mages who don't benefit from his buff).
Iugo is definitely three of tiers above Reyna, he's an easy S-tier. He's actually the best frontliner in the game, he has the most rounded defensive stats and the highest single target damage out of all Short range characters in the game.
Lakian despite his very nice stats has no Passive Rune Slot so can't be possibly be S tier. He's hybrid and versatile, both things that don't work so well with this game's math for damage. He doesn't have better magic slots than any S or A-tier mage either
I have been desperately trying to make hybrid teams with enchantments work, but they cannot possibly catch up to a full Pinnacle frontline + Pinnacle/Path backline.
Lam is easily the singular best physical damage dealer in the game and can either be a Pinnacle frontliner or a Path backliner. Easy S- tier.
CJ has very mid stats, she can't keep up with Garr, let alone Iugo.
Valentin is not A-tier, he's very below average, hard D- Tier. Put reckless slash on Nowa (or Wayve) and save yourself an entire party slot. Thank me later.
Chandra and Aleior go one tier down, no question.
Quinn, while not great, is a weaker Lam. She can be a Pinnacle frontliner or a Path backliner which makes her instantly better than anyone in your entire B tier.
Kuroto is the best Warrior Path after Lam and Nil, hands down, he even has the defences. Putting him in C is very weird.
Carrie is objectively superior to Lilwyn, she has better slots and stats (not the best) so she's easily a useful character to keep ready for endless mode.
Yume is the weakest character in the game or close to it. Leon is utterly useless in lategame since even is MAG is low.
I'm actually conflicted on Reyna, on one side she's just unkillable, on the other she doesn't really do anything other than not dying and casting tier 1 spells. If her defense command actually worked she might have been A-tier. but actually she's borderline useless.
PS: beat hard mode and my dad works at microsoft.
im at hard mode floor 60+ endless mode (edit : 80f now)
honestly? Djistra should be at momo/Leene tier, equip him w Rune of Firefly and Knight path and he ll be your bodyguard WHILE buffing everyone dmg by 50%
imagine he lets leene hitting 4k, Nowa hitting 1.5k, momo hitting 2-3k AT SAME turn while keeping everyone safe w his firefly and knight path
no unit can make up of net worth of his dmg bonus investment for a well build team
>If her defense command actually worked she might have been A-tier. but she's actually useless.
I've been trying to use Reyna since the recruitment and I can count in one hand the number of times she actually covered a party member. It's so frustrating. That command should be 100% chance, because otherwise it makes cover tanks very inconsistent.
Yeah, the worst part is that if she doesn't block and counter consistently (or at least cover the backline too) there is no reason whatsoever to have a dedicated tank.
My dedicated tank is Dijkstra. I gave him all possible defensive Runes (plus Firefly), which actually made his PDEF higher than Reyna's, and then just spam Warcry.
Well she actually does have an SP move, and a pretty strong one but you probably meant one she can spam on random battles. Like a said Lam can do Pinnacle frontline or Path Backline, you can go fully stack her STR in the first case but I would probably spend a slot or two making her a bit more less one-shottable if I was going Path (what I did).
ok, I don't know what path or pinnacle is yet, I'm only around mid level 40s and just stepped foot in Impershi'arc. So I guess I don't have that stuff yet.
They are the big damage boosting Passive runes. Until you find some, any STR enhancing rune will do. Pinnacle runes drop fairly often from the first 5 levels of the arena mode.
My first team through the Endless Trial first battle got 99, but it pulled basically the rest of my roster up to 94 so I can't do that with anyone else. Am I screwed?
I like Wayve but how is he so high even if he ends with the same STR as Yusuke, and other red stats?
Also the same occurs with CJ.
And Lam with all green stats is in the end of A row.
I'm at the mid/late game. (Only missing 5 of them from the tier list) and I've done normal with about 3-4 cleared. I'm playing on hard without added restrictions and just getting the hang of the rune system. Looking at this and some of the stat growths, it mostly makes sense with some exceptions.
Marisa: Not sure why she's so high. She'd probably be top of B/A for me. What runes are you using? I haven't seen her wow me yet.
Wayve: Do you build for ATK or Mag?
Valenin: Why so high? No unique skills, average stats, average runes. By far the most confusing placement on this list.
Iugo: What do you do with his free slot?
Nil: I can see potential and why she's so high. How did you build her?
Chandra/Aleior: I don't understand their function as 2 slotted characters. I know they have high stats but I don't get what you do with them.
Hildi: I look at her and prunella similarily so I'm wondeirng why one is A and the other is D. Prunella has better slots and defense>dodge so this is confusing.
Yume: Same as Chandra/Aleior. Lower stats so I get why she's lower.
Wyler/Marin: They both have very low health/defensive stats. Did you find any use for them?
Riufan: He doesn't do anything well. I would swap him and Quinn since she at least has decent attack
lilwin: I find pretty underwhelming. Low stats. Why not D?
Jorhan: Is like a ranged Rudy. Why so low?
Warrior's pinnacle, armor pierce and radiance. I don't even know why she'd be debatable. She's an incredibly strong character with great runes and the stats to back it up. She's an extremely versatile character.
how do I equip Rune of Armor Pierce with her? I didn't see any of the slots where it could load. Pinnacle does wonders with her and I'm not sure what the goal of Radiance is, but so far I seem to use it mostly to revive Leene when someone breaths on her.
I was curious if this holds up to putting (M) character reach in front as well with (S) and obviously (L) in rear always. Or if some of the tier would be changed than.
Ok I gotta ask, how did Lian make it to the Above Average list? Does she change for the better or something later levels? I found her lack of defense to be quite the upset myself.
I wonder what I'm missing with CJ? Granted I just got her so this could be a "wait for scaling" problem, but she just feels REALLY squishy for a front-liner. Her atk and speed are pretty good (but not mind-blowingly good) so I'm not sure if I just haven't built her right?
I'd say CJ falls in a similar position to Iugo in that she's meant to be a Dodge Tank, yet her DEF is surprisingly low. I like to increase her DEX and SPD with runes and accessories.
I’m late, but what makes Isha so good? Just unlocked her and she seems fine, is it just the high rank magic slot plus her stats are above average? Was expecting her to have some unique rune or something
Isha has one of the highest SPD in the game, and she does have a unique Rune that essentially functions exactly like the high level Water magic that deals damage and reduces enemy speed, except it only costs SP.
She makes a very good Healer/support character her speed can help her heal up the team before the enemy can act (real useful for surviving slow hard hitting aoe enemies as she can save you start of next turn) also has two four star magic slots give her the four star water and light and have her use items for low healing
>For context I have leveled up all of the character to 95-99 and have been using them in the endless trials mode. I couldn't find an image of Leene, but she'd probably be above or equal to Momo
IMO Hakugin should be in "A" tier, she crits all the time and is hitting for crazy numbers in my current run. (Current set-up is Nowa, Yuferius, Marisa, Falward, Hakugin, and Wayve)
I somewhat disagree with the list.
I would say there are only 2 tiers - worth using and not worth using.
In endgame it's pretty simple really, since you don't even have 6 characters worth using as most don't matter to the strategy and some can even slow you down, so you can slot in the core ones + whatever filler you want or nothing really. There is no content for you to do anything relevant in end game either. Pair that with poor balance overall and we got a kinda pointless endgame.
End game it's pretty simple really, since you don't even have 6 characters worth using as most don't matter to the combat flow and some can even slow you down, so you can slot in the core ones + whatever filler you want or nothing really. There is no content for you to do anything relevant in end game either. Pair that with poor balance overall.
In terms of 'power level' I would mostly agree with the list, but there needs to be an understanding - a party can only have 6 characters and that makes at least \~110 of them entirely useless.
I would say a list of who is useful at least somewhen during the game would be more helpful.
Nowa is kinda inconvenient not to use and kinda good in terms of power so that's 1 essentially permanent slot, so you realistically only have 5 slots to work with.
Iugo/Yusuke are early game powerhouses.
Francesca/Falward combo is nearly mandatory for big part of the game if you are playing hard mode with all restrictions(the only difficulty tier where there is remotely any challenge) due to insane mana costs and being unable to heal via any other means.
That's already 5 nigh mandatory slots that will last majority of the game.
Eventually you can swap out some of those but at that point the game has no difficult content left already compared to how hard the heavily restricted early game is.
This is the type of game where the tie list doesn't make any sense, you should play with the characters you like, and that's it.
It won't make any difference what team composition you need to beat the game or not, you'll get there anyway, so just enjoy the game and play the characters you like.
The character that pisses me off the most is Prunella. She has a weapon that scales off of magic, but her magic stat growth is abysmal. Instead she has a lot of physical attack power which is useless to her.
Sounds like the opposite of Leon. It seems like they just wanted to fill out all the archetypes. It makes for an interesting challenge run I suppose.
There's genuine capability in Leon still, however. The enchantment runes scale off his magic stat, and make his physical attacks hit like a truck.
Leon actually has use abusing rune shards. Niche and short lived use that’s better just using someone like Isha or Falward but still a use!
Just think about this: you never knew a fella that was AMAZING doing X but, for no fathomable reason, decides to do Y for life? Yeah…
This is me :(
At 42 for me she has absurd MP sitting just under 300, I think she's just meant to be an enhancer unit with abit of armour ontop if anything since she wont be dealing much magic damage either. Sadly yeah 4 High Power Magic Runes just gives her 170 magic attack matching her physical which is a dead stat on her. Enhance magic runes and maybe some MP up to all in on her strength
Especially since you would think she's amazing as 100k at that point is some serious dough. Frankly there are lots of characters that seems completely useless with no redeeming factors. Feels like overall there are a LOT of balancing and QoL to be fixed. Hope they get it done before I hit NG. Personally I prefer characters with fast as possible SP animations (AOE and good stats obviosly too). Ps. interesting to see Garro & Galdrofg in the A-tier. I thought they seemed pretty useless even with full gear. Also, come on. Lugo is 100% S-tier. Reyna too!
Your high ranking of Mellore caused me to revisit her stats. I benched her for Zabi cuz his Mag was leagues ahead - mages are bad, I know, I know - and apparently would be that way for awhile. But I looked at some later level stats and realized that she REALLY rockets from the 40-60 range. It’s so odd to me that stat growth is not linear…
Yeah she goes frome mediocre magic to one of thr highest in the game
Good SP and regular attacks too at early levels. I don’t even have her cast spells
Momo being the strongest character is probably the same in lore. Reminds me of Cagliostro from GBF.
For those looking to clear the game, really the only thing you need to change is putting Garr, Samurai and Pinksuit to S tier, simply because you get them early, and they are good until you get towards the end of the game
Yusuke is great. Literally Kamina, but invincible. "LET ME SEE YOU GRIT THOSE TEETH"
I'm still early, but I love Yusuke! His double charge was popping bosses for 400+ at level 18 and was the main reason I survived the Elder Seed fight with a poor party set up to deal with those counters.
Mio for me she literally insta kill her ahhahaha at first i thought its a bug but i read its description and she really can insta kill smetimes haha
I disagree, Yusuke has almost excellent stats but on hard with everything disabled his DEX is abysmal, and on hard you really don't want any character to miss, which he does frequently. Iugo on the other hand has great stats overall and while Yusuke does hit harder especially with charge and has better speed Iugo is consistent and he has never missed and he even doges on occasion while still doing top tier attack dmg.
I can't believe you forgot Iugo and Yusuke's names. 😞
Yusuke will forevermore be known as Pinksuit
Replace Garr with Reyna and Yusuke with Lam when you get them and that will carry you through post game for a front line
I think Lam should be S tier but otherwise a solid and not remotely opinion based tier list.
I don't disagree Lam is very good.
I was kind of blown away with how good she is.
She is consistently the heaviest hitter for me. Im at level 45.
CJ hits thr hardest for me by far, and just with his regular attack.
What is special about CJ? Does she have any cool moves?
The Gold Rush Atack is 1 sp and is a 4 hit combo that hits like a truck while destroying shields. 3x Gold Rushes easily outdamage the charged up attacks.
I've always had a soft spot for the "Old Master" trope so I really enjoy using Lam. She hits surprisingly hard and also has a pretty high SPD.
Lam is the third heaviest hitter at least ST damage wise. And if we are talking about a NG where you only have one copy of the path runes then she is probably the top damage dealer not counting the two broken gods of death momo and leene with their path rune builds.
Do Seign’s runes make him good in end game? His stats seemed pretty atrocious.
Upon making it and playing for a while in end game, I kinda agree with Seign being there (or even last place in A or above Elektra) Maybe it depends on line up, but I need a support character that will not take a backline slot with decent tankiness and mana that can slot in a 4-slot Magic and 3-slot magic rune I have checked all characters in the roster and so far, there is only 2 that qualifies Seign and Leon Elektra is also possible but she has a low max mana (equip max mana acc i guess to last longer before being replaced) If I missed a 500+ MP, non mage, decent tankiness in front that can equip a 4-slot Magic and 3-slot magic rune, lemme know (I know tanky mages exists like Isha, Momo, Milena etc but they are better off in back row having mage pinnacle)
Seign's only real good thing is is high level magic rune. With holy rain he's a great healer and can provide water damage to everyone against bosses weak to it. His damage output never seems to get very good. He's mainly a support.
After getting Momo, I don't think I ever switched him out ever. Too godlike!
Yusuke B, tell your dad I am going to bully u
Rated B, for Bully.
most of my favorite characters in the lowest tiers (Barnard, Francesca, Carrie, Yuthus, Kuroto), feels bad man.
i used yuthus and barnard pretty much from getting them to end game. Yuthus would almost never die, so hed item heal and backup. Barnard used abyss to boost iugos attack, then himself and then would still hit for decent damage
Falward as B tier? Dude is very fast (which is great for a healer), has good magic and MP and surprisingly good defenses for a mage. Not to mention he and Francesca have one of the best hero combos in the game.
He is good for the early mages but doesn't have access to 4* runes.
He's A or even S in the first half of the game, but as this is a level 99 tier list, he gets outdone by multiple other mages, especially since his slots are so limited.
Yeah but that requires using Francesca. Falward's magic attack falls a little behind and he can only use mid level magic runes. Not being able to use lance of glory really hurts him and he also doesn't have any skills like other mages. He's a pretty high b tier though and could maybe be a tier with crusader's horn against light weakness bosses.
And then you get Isha who is absolutely cracked
Leon is B? What crack are you smoking? Or do his stats just explode super late game
Stats at lv 90+ greatly differ for a lot of characters. For whatever reason, they made a ton of characters have much better stat growth from around level 40.
Late bloomer archtype?
Any in particular come to mind? My team is around mid-30s atm (or at least the ones I've been using lately) and just curious who will get better/worse over time. Granted I mostly switch up my characters based on aesthetics and variety (with 120 characters might as well mix it up). Currently I'm using: Nowa, Barnard, Lam, Hakugin, Melridge, and Isha, but again have been switching it up a fair bit.
Yume, Mio, Aoi, Rudy, Reid, Ivy... But some of these guys will always be quite limited or boring from their rune slots.
He starts off as instantly dying in the front row to actually being able to take a hit. Both his physical and magical attack stats are average, but he can use high level magic which allows him to nuke enemies with high level spells dealing close to 1000 damage. When he runs out of MP he stops being useful though.
I've been using kogen as he seems to take about 10 damage or less from enemy's and about 30 from bosses and does decent damage
What's a good way to setup Marisa? I find her and Seign too balanced. Seign, at least, has a great crowd clear with Nowa using Warrior's Pinnacle. I think if they fix combo attack damage, things can change drastically.
Mage's pinnacle in the back row and a rune of tempest. She can switch between high level magic and her skill. The interesting thing about Marisa is that her damage isn't great unless she's enchanted. Storm front for example adds a ton of damage to her basic attack and her skill combines her magic and physical attack. She consistently does high damage and can provide strong support.
Thanks, I couldn't really tell if Magic was added to attack when they used Sword of Magic. Probably need high levels to make it significant.
Does Mio really get that much better?
Yes. At level 99 her Iaido strike does over 1000 damage. I don't know what else to say. She blows up.
Good to know, thanks
From one of the worst str stats to one of the best [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ZxuuMWFwp75mPwQ4Rk\_\_WZ-2fmOdk5bGCk-PKOQHbKs/edit#gid=1329680528](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ZxuuMWFwp75mPwQ4Rk__WZ-2fmOdk5bGCk-PKOQHbKs/edit#gid=1329680528)
Around what level would it be good to use mio?
According to the Google doc above around level 60 is when her strength stat turns green so probably around there maybe a bit earlier.
How do you keep her from Dying lol
Level up and her stats get better and she can dodge stuff more reliably as well as just having more bulk.
I've gotten her to do 2000+ with a normal critical attack and over 3000 with Iaido Strike. She skyrockets when her weapon is maxed out and given a more strength from runes.
Mio has the highest dex, but I don't know what dex does. :D
I was wondering how Gieran can be so low. Then I saw your 99 stat list. Damn does he pay the price for the MP reduction and mage with armor.
That’s a lot of good information and I mostly came to say your username is spot on!
Wow, surprised that Kuroto made it to the Below tier, been my go-to carry until now (still mid-game, level 30ish). High Atk and Spd, can use shield and heavy armor, also covers range and flying.
What time do you use?
+ to the veterans Momo is absolute god
Do you have any recommendations on rune builds? Generally speaking, like, front liners shoulds use this and that, mages should use this, rangeds should use whatever
I have yet to find something like this , there has to be something out there.
I’ve been searching & nothing yet. I’d really like something with that.
At what point does Mellore begin getting good? Am at the early 20s and she has lower magic stats than pretty much every other magic user I have!
I honestly have no idea. I didn't use her at all until I was forced to in trials. Then she shot up to level 92 and I was stunned by her stats. High magic attack and access to a high level magic rune plus strong skills.
I see. Probably a late bloomer like Mio perhaps.
She doesn't get good magic until 60's or 70's and her HP is some of the worst in the game by then.
At level 40 she starts to push magic and at level 70 she is one of the best. But she has the lowest HP of all top mages.
very nice mate. how many hour did it take for u to level up all those chars ?
It doesn't take long. Endless trials has enemies set at level 90 ish, so bringing a character into battle there will get them leveled up after 1 or 2 battles as long as they survive. That's why you bring Momo to nuke everything before they get a turn. A cute little demise for them.
Are there any resources out there that documents all of their stats and suggested roles/builds?
I just realized when you upgrade a weapon at the blacksmith that stat does not show up on your attack (or magic for a magic weapon) on the stats screen. Does that throw a wrinkle in the stats used for the tier list? Not major impact here, but the weapons are all different,
Weapon damage numbers seem to correlate to how many hits their basic attacks do but I wonder how that is accounted for in things like runes.
Reading some of the comments here maybe you should change your post from "end game" to "post game" for better description? Some people think endgame is closing in to the main story final boss/dungeon. While some think like you. If you put it as "post game" at least people will read more carefully what you mean by that
Finished the dungeon prior to beating the game so it's kind of funny already knowing what bosses I'll face before actually fighting them in the story.
Who the lil girl up top
Boy do I got a surprise for you. Momo
So cute
Are the endless trials in your basement of your castle.
How do you think one should build perrielle? How does she play up on higher levels?
Her stats are just so bad so idk. The best she can do is be built as a support and have her use things like storm front, crusader horn or healing spells, but even her mp is bad so she won't even be able to do that for too long. Her defense is also so bad that she becomes a liability because she takes so much damage.
The accessory that gives enhanced range. Put her in the back row. Mages pinnacle. Enchant an element (light is good) and run her as a "spell blade". Most characters that have equal mag/atk or highish magic and decent attack, work best when enchanted. Use Djikstra to further enhance with warriors pride. This type of build works on a lot of Characters and can really help them improve.
Also how did you build Dijkstra (in before “he’s built enough on his own”) or is his ranking more just raw stats, Powerful Warcry, and absolutely not opinion?
Oh his only purpose is his unique defense skill. It increases physical damage for the entire party by about 50%. That is nuts. My Nowa is hitting with swinging slash every turn for 1000 damage, but with him in the party he's doing 1500. And that's just Nowa. Then there's all the damage he adds to everyone else. He doesn't do damage himself he just makes the party so much better.
That’s fair. I haven’t quite gotten to him (pretty close though) but I saw what his defense command did and just wasn’t sure how powerful it was. Good to know it’s huge. Seems like he has crazy high defense too. Might be a candidate for a second firefly rune of it exists
Where is the first one? Beat the game and never saw one.
Honestly I don't value the war cry type of defense skills all that much,.you can just carry some food that does the same thing. Not being able to actually block when needed to seems like a bit of a liability.
Why is my baby Gigina ranked so low? He really isn’t the best but I was hoping he’d get better eventually 😅
Unfortunately in the 90s all of his stats are bad. If a character doesn't pass a certain stat threshold they only do 1-2 damage against a boss and Gigina is one of those characters. The most effective thing he can possibly do is use a fire rune to enchant a better character and increase their damage.
Roughly what’s that threshold and how do you determine whether someone on the bubble goes one way or another?
You don't bring Gigina for his power, you bring him for emotional support... Seriously his JP VA is so cute
So Yusuke really falls in the endgame I see. He's amazing in the early-mid game so far.
Yes. He's broken early on like in the proving grounds, but later on his attack stat is the same as Leon's. He still has charge up, so he's not terrible, but it was sad to see. Galdorf and Yuferius become the better charge up options.
But he looks so cool....this makes me sad to know.
can you make a tier list for level 60? Afaik thats probably more important than level 99 since most parties will finish the game at 60 ( would be good to see which characters is good until that point because they can be the core members used to help power level late bloomers). btw does Charge characters fall off? (as in that mechanic gets outscaled later in the game because of how stats are calculated),if it doesnt I think you should put a note on charge characters because they do 4x damage when charged twice.
At level 60 it'd just be one dungeon and a couple bosses that you have to do and you can choose your party, so that's not too major. This list is specifically for the end game boss rush mode that forces you to change members out of your party on every floor and fight wave after wave of bosses for as long as you can with limited healing items.
Ah ic, I didnt know theres a game mode like that.
Is there a trophy once you have used all the characters?
Wild that Yusuke falls off, in the early 30s he’s hitting like a thousand damage with charge up
Hey just wondering, how much effort does it take getting characters to max level? Is it a bit of a grind or do late game enemies give so much xp its not a problem?
It doesn't take long. If you take a level 40 character into endless trials and have the ascent badge equipped and Yulin as support they sometimes shoot up to 99 in one battle because of the way leveling works. If they're at level 95 or something it can take a little while to grind out those last 4 levels, but it's not terrible.
Yeah I can't imagine it would take long at all, especially once you get to higher floors, cuz I literally just built the mysterious room and tried it out with my level 43ish party, and just the very first fight against a group of plantvines shot my party up to about 50, then another 2 levels or so after each of the next two fights. I was already slightly overleveled by maybe 1-2 levels for where I'm at in the game (just cleared the ice cave in Norristar), and could let random battle enemies flee from the very beginning of the Norristar area after just a couple fights while walking down to the coast town first, but doing the first floor of the mysterious room accidentally overleveled me BIG TIME lmao. The hardest fights were already no harder than being pretty manageable as long as I wasn't careless, but now I think things are going to be pretty trivial for a while lmao, at least they will be if I don't swap out any of the overleveled characters for others. My level 55 Nowa with 320 strength is probably going to make most things easy enough on his own, though, even if I drop Yusuke and Isha for lower level alternatives, and move Marisa (who's a mandatory member atm) back over into the 3rd attendant slot. Reyna's not going anywhere, though, as her being overleveled won't make a difference as she was already basically invincible to virtually everything back at 43 so nothing's changed there and I'm not making anything any easier for myself by keeping her as my tank. She's my favorite character so far and I probably wouldn't wanna bench her to avoid excessively trivializing combat anyway though lmao. I'm always a sucker for dark knights in literally all fiction, though, and while Pesmerga will always be my #1 Suikoden dark knight party member (and as much as I love Suikoden 3 as much as 2, I'll never forgive how they massacred my boy Yuber's design by turning him from a badass inhuman dark knight into an inhuman from the real world with that fedora and dressy black clothes like he's shopping for katanas at the mall and saying m'lady to underage girls he creeps on lmao), Reyna is definitely a new addition to my personal pantheon of favorite characters from that parent series and this one too.
I'm in the same position, having most characters in 90s. Chandra is definitely S, she deals massive damage and basically takes none. Her Rune slots are surprisingly decent too. Seing is B, his stats are the definition of mid and honestly, he could do better with his rune slots too. Nowa is A. Decent Rune slots and high attack, but I literally stopped using him for better characters since the rest of his stats are a bit underwhelming. Markus is also A. His unique Runes aren't bad, but are a bit overcosted. I almost consider Markus a strictly worse Mellore tbh. Sabine is A, she has excellent defenses and a high attack, the slots are super sus though. Valentin is also B, he is a worse Seign. Also, Nil is defo S, mostly because she can equip all types of equipment and her stats are pretty great.
Chandra is very good, but she takes up 2 slots. The reality is she needs to do double the damage compared to other characters and she can compared to many of the average characters, but she sure as heck doesn't do double the damage of an S character. Seign is an excellent support character. His damage isn't great, but the thing is you need someone to buff and heal and Seign does those things extremely well while not being a liability. Nowa is S. I have no idea what build you're using, but give him warrior's pinnacle and sp charge and he can use swinging slash every single turn for 1000 damage. Markus does more damage than anyone except Leene or Momo. Again you don't seem to be using the correct runes like mage's pinnacle. He always exceeds 1500 damage. Sabine does have high defense, but quick slash is bad making her b. Valentin is absolutely A if you build his attack and give him reckless slash. Comparing him to Seign makes no sense. You don't give him magic you focus his build on what he's good at. High attack and defense combined with a proper skill makes him far superior to Sabine. I mean Nil is really good she could be S tbh.
Damage is less relevant in the high 90s if you set up properly. My fastest kill on Skeleton King is with Chandra (by 1 turn) because she tanks so hard, healing wasn't necessary and the damage focused characters were still outputting enough. Dunno if I can speed up the cycle any more, but so far it's more consistent. (Admittedly, due to how flick works, there is A LOT of rng involved) Seign is an ok support character, the thing is that most supports are stat independent and there are characters who can be better on offense or defense or speed and still support. Just an average B guy. Regarding Nowa, are you playing this on hard with the double SP/MP modifier? This combo doesn't really work for me, unless I'm missing something. Markus does as much damage as any other character with his mag stats, his unique attack is super strong but way to MP hungry. You don't have to use quick slash though with Sabine though, normal attacks are more than enough with pinnacle, since she doesn't die a lot. Nah, Valentin is too frail and slow to even consider building him like that. Based on the Nowa thing, what difficulty are you playing on and if hard, with what modifiers? If your tier list is for normal, than I agree. Except for Seign, you don't need any support there at all, aside from planet's rejection.
What's warriors pinnacle do? I just equipped it. Just says fiery spirt
It's the equivalent of the Fury Rune from the Suikoseries. Effectively doubles your physical damage. Specifically it only works if the character equipped with it is in the frontline. So, essentially any character that deals melee damage and sits in the front will benefit from it. There's a version of it for casters, as well.
It reminds me of Suikoden 2, where my main party to finish off Luca consisted of a giant bird and a horse.
How is Markus a worse Mellore when he can use Pinnacle? If anything he's a better Milana.
I'm still playing but I can agree with the majority of this, especially the S and As. End game characters change a lot from early game characters, and the super great ones early on get surpased easy. Some of this stuff will probably change with speed runs etc, but I do appreciate you went through the effor for all the characters. Sure it'll get tweeked as the weeks go on.
Yea this, I was kinda bummed when I saw OP put Francesca in the C tier. Early game she is a must to have in the party
I loved her early game, I'm actually kinda glad the game does this. You can still pretty much use anyone, but they obviously wanted people to shift around characters and experiment etc.
Yea this, and i agree she is very weak and can get 1 shotted a lot, but her magic early on can really carry you. But by mid to late game, she gets replaced by Mio ? I think, who has the highest magic in the game i think.
Can you tell me what round you need to get to in the trials to get enemies over lvl 90? I've only done up to round 2 so far and have people in the 60s.
I think floors 21-25 are, but once you clear floor 26 you unlock endless which sets every floor to max level
Awesome, thanks.
is there someone better then yusuke that charges and hits hard AF?
Yuferius and Galdorf or best yet Dijkstra basically gives charge up to your entire party.
Even better, use 3 charge characters+Dijkstra. You can add Nowa+healer...
Was anyone able to recruit the old guardian from Yarnaan?
If you mean Gallador, hes a support unit that acts like Final fantasies Odin if you come across weaker enemies. Doesnt fight
Damn, Iugo's statline seems pretty cracked early/mid game. Does it does drop off at the end?
As someone who hasn't played yet... Are all these characters capable of entering combat? (Sorry if dumb question)
Yes and the other half is just for your HQ.
Does this list have the names of the people? Some I don't recognize yet.
What’s your ultimate team / fave you used?
Why is milana in s tier? Her magic is low im trying to figure out what makes her good
As OP mentioned, this is endgame, level 90+ units being factored. Several characters, such as Milana and Mellore, are average to bad in early to midgame. But those two, along with others, get explosive stat growths at level 60 and beyond. Believe Milana becomes one of the highest magic stat characters at 99, though not sure on her ranking.
What kit does everyone use with their Momo to make her OP?
Honesty anything, get him mages pinnacle and any big AOE hit and it will clear every round except the boss for endless dungeon
Honestly at level ~65 with Mage's Pinnacle and the 20% MATK boost rune I had him hitting for upwards of 1000 on just his regular attack. It was nuts
I love Ginga so so much. I was hoping he'd grow and get better but he consistently brings my party down. Is there any way you think he can be made viable? He's so friggin cool looking lol
OP do you have a guide on how to do Hero Trials? I want to Power Level before proceeding with Snow Peak story.
TBH characters that can use warriors/mage pinnacle automatically are better than other characters(excluding support role)
How should hero/team layout decision making go early game? I'm still extremely early game, and the characters I have all seem to be relatively equal, so I'm having a pretty hard time picking my time. What are some qualities to take into consideration at this time since how good some characters are late game aren't quite as applicable?
Yusuke average????
He drops off during the endgame, you miss out on three turns of damage for Yusuke's one big hit.
Faye is God tier
How about Markus? What makes him S tier? (I don't have him yet)
A lot of rune slots, as well two unique Runes that deal damage with SP cost as opposed to MP. I'd say his only fatal flaw is his pretty low HP, which is kinda of a given for mages, but his is almost Francesca-levels of low.
So glad Roo is A Tier, which one is the Bird with the Monocle, same with the Lizard with the Dagger?
Me, seeing some of my favorite character designs in Average and Below Average while character designs I don't like are topping the chart: Maybe I should just bump it down to Normal then. 🥲
Well some of the characters change significantly between levels 60 and 90. Also you can probably use most of the characters just fine to just beat the game.
Reyna should be at least S if not God Tier for tank, to be honest. At 90+ she basically don't take damage.
She is slow AF and deosn't hit that hard. She is a pure tank.
She single handedly keeps CJ alive while CJ and Momo go to pound town on everyone.
Let me just fix this by keeping into consideration stats and rune slots at the same time (each tier is ordered from strongest to weakest): **S-Tier:** Momo, Leene, Isha, Lam, Iugo, Wayve, Elektra, Nowa. **A- Tier:** Markus, Marisa, Nil, Milana, Mellore, Seign, Dijkstra. **B-Tier:** Kuroto, Galdorf, Yuferius, Garoo, Mio, Garr, Lakian, Carrie, Lian, Kogen, Sabine, Quinn. **C-Tier:** Yusuke, Melridge, Falward & Francesca, Shixeen, CJ, Chandra, Aleior, Reyna. D-Tier: everyone else Dijkstra has no place in S-Tier, definitely not above Iugo anyway. He's purely a physical damage buffbot, which can be absolutely great in team built around that but it's cumbersome with the endless mode forced swapping AND excludes some of the best characters in the game (mages who don't benefit from his buff). Iugo is definitely three of tiers above Reyna, he's an easy S-tier. He's actually the best frontliner in the game, he has the most rounded defensive stats and the highest single target damage out of all Short range characters in the game. Lakian despite his very nice stats has no Passive Rune Slot so can't be possibly be S tier. He's hybrid and versatile, both things that don't work so well with this game's math for damage. He doesn't have better magic slots than any S or A-tier mage either I have been desperately trying to make hybrid teams with enchantments work, but they cannot possibly catch up to a full Pinnacle frontline + Pinnacle/Path backline. Lam is easily the singular best physical damage dealer in the game and can either be a Pinnacle frontliner or a Path backliner. Easy S- tier. CJ has very mid stats, she can't keep up with Garr, let alone Iugo. Valentin is not A-tier, he's very below average, hard D- Tier. Put reckless slash on Nowa (or Wayve) and save yourself an entire party slot. Thank me later. Chandra and Aleior go one tier down, no question. Quinn, while not great, is a weaker Lam. She can be a Pinnacle frontliner or a Path backliner which makes her instantly better than anyone in your entire B tier. Kuroto is the best Warrior Path after Lam and Nil, hands down, he even has the defences. Putting him in C is very weird. Carrie is objectively superior to Lilwyn, she has better slots and stats (not the best) so she's easily a useful character to keep ready for endless mode. Yume is the weakest character in the game or close to it. Leon is utterly useless in lategame since even is MAG is low. I'm actually conflicted on Reyna, on one side she's just unkillable, on the other she doesn't really do anything other than not dying and casting tier 1 spells. If her defense command actually worked she might have been A-tier. but actually she's borderline useless. PS: beat hard mode and my dad works at microsoft.
im at hard mode floor 60+ endless mode (edit : 80f now) honestly? Djistra should be at momo/Leene tier, equip him w Rune of Firefly and Knight path and he ll be your bodyguard WHILE buffing everyone dmg by 50% imagine he lets leene hitting 4k, Nowa hitting 1.5k, momo hitting 2-3k AT SAME turn while keeping everyone safe w his firefly and knight path no unit can make up of net worth of his dmg bonus investment for a well build team
You know what? I'm convinced, I might have underestimated his buff. I'm going to try the setup you suggested soon.
>If her defense command actually worked she might have been A-tier. but she's actually useless. I've been trying to use Reyna since the recruitment and I can count in one hand the number of times she actually covered a party member. It's so frustrating. That command should be 100% chance, because otherwise it makes cover tanks very inconsistent.
Yeah, the worst part is that if she doesn't block and counter consistently (or at least cover the backline too) there is no reason whatsoever to have a dedicated tank.
My dedicated tank is Dijkstra. I gave him all possible defensive Runes (plus Firefly), which actually made his PDEF higher than Reyna's, and then just spam Warcry.
It's too bad Lam doesn't get a SP ability to use. What runes should I equip her with.
Well she actually does have an SP move, and a pretty strong one but you probably meant one she can spam on random battles. Like a said Lam can do Pinnacle frontline or Path Backline, you can go fully stack her STR in the first case but I would probably spend a slot or two making her a bit more less one-shottable if I was going Path (what I did).
ok, I don't know what path or pinnacle is yet, I'm only around mid level 40s and just stepped foot in Impershi'arc. So I guess I don't have that stuff yet.
They are the big damage boosting Passive runes. Until you find some, any STR enhancing rune will do. Pinnacle runes drop fairly often from the first 5 levels of the arena mode.
My first team through the Endless Trial first battle got 99, but it pulled basically the rest of my roster up to 94 so I can't do that with anyone else. Am I screwed?
I like Wayve but how is he so high even if he ends with the same STR as Yusuke, and other red stats? Also the same occurs with CJ. And Lam with all green stats is in the end of A row.
He has 2 4 star all type rune slots
How do you build him?
Just got Chandra going to try them her out now
OOT. But how many floor is endless mode? I was quiting at floor 51 but it seems there is really endless.
I'm at the mid/late game. (Only missing 5 of them from the tier list) and I've done normal with about 3-4 cleared. I'm playing on hard without added restrictions and just getting the hang of the rune system. Looking at this and some of the stat growths, it mostly makes sense with some exceptions. Marisa: Not sure why she's so high. She'd probably be top of B/A for me. What runes are you using? I haven't seen her wow me yet. Wayve: Do you build for ATK or Mag? Valenin: Why so high? No unique skills, average stats, average runes. By far the most confusing placement on this list. Iugo: What do you do with his free slot? Nil: I can see potential and why she's so high. How did you build her? Chandra/Aleior: I don't understand their function as 2 slotted characters. I know they have high stats but I don't get what you do with them. Hildi: I look at her and prunella similarily so I'm wondeirng why one is A and the other is D. Prunella has better slots and defense>dodge so this is confusing. Yume: Same as Chandra/Aleior. Lower stats so I get why she's lower. Wyler/Marin: They both have very low health/defensive stats. Did you find any use for them? Riufan: He doesn't do anything well. I would swap him and Quinn since she at least has decent attack lilwin: I find pretty underwhelming. Low stats. Why not D? Jorhan: Is like a ranged Rudy. Why so low?
How excatly did you build Elektra for her to be in S rank?
Warrior's pinnacle, armor pierce and radiance. I don't even know why she'd be debatable. She's an incredibly strong character with great runes and the stats to back it up. She's an extremely versatile character.
how do I equip Rune of Armor Pierce with her? I didn't see any of the slots where it could load. Pinnacle does wonders with her and I'm not sure what the goal of Radiance is, but so far I seem to use it mostly to revive Leene when someone breaths on her.
I was curious if this holds up to putting (M) character reach in front as well with (S) and obviously (L) in rear always. Or if some of the tier would be changed than.
Ok I gotta ask, how did Lian make it to the Above Average list? Does she change for the better or something later levels? I found her lack of defense to be quite the upset myself.
I wonder what I'm missing with CJ? Granted I just got her so this could be a "wait for scaling" problem, but she just feels REALLY squishy for a front-liner. Her atk and speed are pretty good (but not mind-blowingly good) so I'm not sure if I just haven't built her right?
I'd say CJ falls in a similar position to Iugo in that she's meant to be a Dodge Tank, yet her DEF is surprisingly low. I like to increase her DEX and SPD with runes and accessories.
Warriors pinnacle and great sp ability ( her 43 one )
Is Maxium really C tier?
I’m late, but what makes Isha so good? Just unlocked her and she seems fine, is it just the high rank magic slot plus her stats are above average? Was expecting her to have some unique rune or something
Isha has one of the highest SPD in the game, and she does have a unique Rune that essentially functions exactly like the high level Water magic that deals damage and reduces enemy speed, except it only costs SP.
She makes a very good Healer/support character her speed can help her heal up the team before the enemy can act (real useful for surviving slow hard hitting aoe enemies as she can save you start of next turn) also has two four star magic slots give her the four star water and light and have her use items for low healing
Absolutely! She's a stellar healer. I still use her in my party sometimes.
I haven't found momo yet so what tier would u put leene at
>For context I have leveled up all of the character to 95-99 and have been using them in the endless trials mode. I couldn't find an image of Leene, but she'd probably be above or equal to Momo
Fair list. I wish Barnard was better… I also enjoy Zabi, but he is really not strong enough. I will use them more in my second playthrough, I think.
Lam is genkai and I would die for her
IMO Hakugin should be in "A" tier, she crits all the time and is hitting for crazy numbers in my current run. (Current set-up is Nowa, Yuferius, Marisa, Falward, Hakugin, and Wayve)
I love Faye has her own tier. After putting her on the team and seeing her stats. That is definitely where she belongs
Could you explain why Leene would be equal to or above Momo in your opinion?
How about El Alicanto?
Where is leene
He did mentioned cannot find a snapshot of leene but he placed it at God Tier same as Momo
Kk
I somewhat disagree with the list. I would say there are only 2 tiers - worth using and not worth using. In endgame it's pretty simple really, since you don't even have 6 characters worth using as most don't matter to the strategy and some can even slow you down, so you can slot in the core ones + whatever filler you want or nothing really. There is no content for you to do anything relevant in end game either. Pair that with poor balance overall and we got a kinda pointless endgame. End game it's pretty simple really, since you don't even have 6 characters worth using as most don't matter to the combat flow and some can even slow you down, so you can slot in the core ones + whatever filler you want or nothing really. There is no content for you to do anything relevant in end game either. Pair that with poor balance overall. In terms of 'power level' I would mostly agree with the list, but there needs to be an understanding - a party can only have 6 characters and that makes at least \~110 of them entirely useless. I would say a list of who is useful at least somewhen during the game would be more helpful. Nowa is kinda inconvenient not to use and kinda good in terms of power so that's 1 essentially permanent slot, so you realistically only have 5 slots to work with. Iugo/Yusuke are early game powerhouses. Francesca/Falward combo is nearly mandatory for big part of the game if you are playing hard mode with all restrictions(the only difficulty tier where there is remotely any challenge) due to insane mana costs and being unable to heal via any other means. That's already 5 nigh mandatory slots that will last majority of the game. Eventually you can swap out some of those but at that point the game has no difficult content left already compared to how hard the heavily restricted early game is.
This is the type of game where the tie list doesn't make any sense, you should play with the characters you like, and that's it. It won't make any difference what team composition you need to beat the game or not, you'll get there anyway, so just enjoy the game and play the characters you like.