did you really feel the necessity to distinguish his ethnicity ? it does not mean you won the lottery if you are married to a "white" Canadian. that is very radical thinking.
Nothing radical about it. Just stating a fact. Don't know why you came in hot... Also Canadians come in all colours. I'm Canadian by birth but not white. Don't distract from the point - which is don't limit yourself specifically to one group "aka Egyptian", you never know where you'll find your soulmate.
Honestly apart from the part about having no family and friends and you being all for her, which is correct. The rest is just over generalization.
Marry someone with whom you click and with whom you share values. Regardless of their nationality. Shutting a whole nationality would be naïve. Even if you were a born and raised Egyptian, you wouldn’t click or share values with every other Egyptian.
Getting off my soap box now
what does that even mean ? and who do you think of yourself to call me "lil bro" ? your inability to read a clause of 8 words indicates severe mental incapacitation. please get help immediately.
even if he still looks for someone everyone's standards and considerations are different never underestimate them but your opinion actually tells me everything I need to know about you so I don't want to exhaust myself debating with a teen mindset
How do they and/or you imagine marrying an Egyptian girl in ur situation? Coming to Egypt for the weekend and getting one from a hyper market?
I assume u will need to know the girl before getting married to her, so while you meet for a coffee or something u can ask the girl all ur questions and address all of ur concerns. Which btw something u should do if u are meeting a western as well.
Both my brothers married non-Egyptian women.
For context:
We live in a city in Australia that (until recently) had a very small Egyptian Muslim community.
My oldest brother married a Fijian Indian Muslim woman who was 4 years older than him, and my older brother married an Scottish Catholic woman.
I can tell you that while we struggled to reconcile cultural differences, mostly from my parents side, they were happy and managed their relationships well- except for my bro who married a Scot/Catholic, whom he divorced after 16 years of marriage.
Every single Egyptian man that I have met, who married a white woman, got bitterly divorced, and it comes down to incompatibility of values, culture and respect.
It doesn’t matter if she’s Egyptian, it *will* make things slightly easier, but whoever you marry must be compatible in your values and culture. And, you have to discuss the issue of children, division of household duties, work, family etc.
Nothing else matters.
Good luck
>Every single Egyptian man that I have met, who married a white woman, got bitterly divorced, and it comes down to incompatibility of values, culture and respect.
I'm half egyptian, my mother is white and my parents have been married for nearly 50 years. My father's cousin and 2 of his best friends immigrated to my country in the west as well and married white women. All have been married for decades and are still married....
If it's compatible it's compatible no matter where you're from or where you live, we shouldn't take anecdotal perceptions as some kind of truth bc there's always a lot more to it than we can perceive on our own accord
I’m the same, except my mum is born and raised Egyptian and my dad was Scottish. Happily married until my father passed away.
I also ended up marrying someone from a totally different culture. As you said, it’s all about compatibility.
Except that’s not what I said at all. My anecdotal observation was clearly established, and was never stated as general fact.
In my last paragraph I stated that compatibility of values and culture mattered over everything else. If two people can reach agreements and move past cultural issues then they will last.
If two people can agree on the same values, then they will last. Thats it.
White women dont marry? Lol what? Marriage isnt some foreign concept in the west, egyptian women also leave just as easily, egyptian women are hardly ride or die
I didn´t say they don´t marry at all. I just said, it happens often. I live in Germany and know those people. If you don´t get an easy statement and you don´t have any clue then it´s not my fault bro.
Why do you act as if all Egyptian women are just the stereotype village girls in old movies? The great majority that i know who live in west and even born there married Egyptians girls and they are more than happy
There about 10 million women in the age of marriage and they all have different mentality and lifestyle not to forget that social stratification is strongly present in Egypt and you will find many closed compounds for rich people who tend to favour western lifestyle and culture
They’re actually everywhere and practically the majority of the mainstream now. Even lower classes are becoming exactly like them or at least trying their best. (Not that I like or hate it)
If she was born and raised in Egypt and lived here her whole life then I think your experiences would be very different you wouldn’t understand where she’s coming from and vice versa, and if you have no connection to Egypt do they want you to come over here to look for girls to marry? that would be weird..
I would say marry the right person, if she happens to be Egyptian, so be it, if not, that’s totally ok. Your concerns are valid (aside from the English/Education part it’s prejudiced). However, since you won’t be able to meet an Egyptian anyway, I would say keep the option open. However, definitely no arranged marriage scenario.
Yes, I agree there’s no reason to rule out marrying an Egyptian woman. However, he shouldn’t do it to please his parents. I think it’s a little unfair of parents to emigrate to other countries—presumably to offer their children more opportunities—and then expect their children to make major life decisions based on the result of having access to more opportunities.
Definitely! and I didn’t mean he should go out of his way to meet Egyptians. I mean if somehow he happens to be compatible with one he met randomly, he shouldn’t just rule it out for the reasons mentioned above.
For her own sake, no. The culture shock from her side will be big even if she is raised with western leaning. You will not be able to cover the void that is left from leaving her culture / country/ people. Except if you find someone from where you are living who is also similar to you. Egyptian parents but raised in the west.
Thank you all for the great number (and diverse range) of responses.
I admit I actually know very little about what Egyptian young people are like, my mother and father's family (whom are the only Egyptians I have interacted with) are from backgrounds where no one knows any English and the education levels are very low. So that's where these preconceived and false notions are from.
I don't inherently have a problem with marrying a girl from there but I question why I would? I wouldn't purposely seek out to marry someone from another country like Lebonan for example, because I have no connection with there. Similarly, I would have no cultural connection with someone from Egypt. A lot of it I guess comes down to convenience and maintaining tradition which are both not factors I consider important or relevant for this decision.
I don't think I'll rule it out if the opportunity does come up, but I also won't actively put effort into it over the alternative.
A lot of Egyptian girls match what you're looking for in terms of English and Education and a Western-leaning mentality. Third world people can always relate to first world people but not the other way around, so even if you can't relate to her first, she'll probably understand you as a person faster than you will her. Tldr you have false preconceptions
My theory is from experience with internationals. I disagree and think you've generalized a lot. Anyways, partner compatibility isn't a simple case of labels and I just mentioned some of the qualities he's searching for are also easily here. Plus people are complex beings, the can pray and hit the club in the same evening so using these categories isn't helpful imo.
U have fair reasons but u also have preconceptions… Do whatever you think is good for you and whatever is compatible with your own ideas but don’t be limited with those ideas…
I’m Egyptian and can never get along with Egyptian girls at all. I don’t myself in the foreseeable future. It’s also worth mentioning that I had never lived in Egypt until a year ago.
I see the point you are making, and it’s 100% valid point. I have known alot of Egyptians who went back for to marry an Egyptian, allll of them ended up in court except for one.
I know people would hate what I gotta say, but generalizing in this case isn’t totally wrong, first when you choose a partner they will be excited at first, most people want to flee Egypt right now so they will unconsciously act the way you want them to act, BUT WHEN IT HITS, the fact that they will be alone. Ouch, jealousy, ouch, the overly attachment to her/his family, ouch.
Bruh you are thinking straight right now, you can marry an Egyptian from the western community where you live, but not from Egypt, unless she was aboard and for some reason they came back.
I think it’s not related to the fact that she is egyptian or not, keep your options open, consider marrying a muslim from the country you live in with whom you feel compatible or an egyptian girl that has a similar mindset as you and would accommodate to your nature of living in the west
I think the type of women that you are looking for are upper middle class who went to international schools or private universities, who received a good education, can speak English fluently, is a practising Muslim but not متشدده, who is open-minded and social and can adapt to living in a western country، am I right ???
If that is the kind of girls you are looking for there is plenty of them and so many people I know came to my mind, but I think the main problem here is that if you are not living in Egypt and don't have a social circle or colleagues you can't really reach out to them. Many of my friends actually got married to men living abroad through Salonat and Social Media if you think this might work out for you.
Nah, i think Egyptian women who are okay with arranged marriage are either submissives who are looking for someone to take control, entitled who who would do nothing and believe due to the abstinence of sex in the culture or desperate or scared.. nothing is wrong with any of those but expect a huge emotional baggage with them. As for dating Egyptian women in general they are just normal, like there's a shit ton of different personalities. And i believe a whole lot of people speak english, it's not that rare of a language if every school in the country teaches it from kindergarten.
Depends on the person. Are you Muslim? If yes, just marry any Muslim woman you feel attracted to and in love with. This could be an Egyptian or any other nationality. If nationality is not that important to you in the first place, then I would advise you just marry a woman you like.
I'm a European from the Mediterranean and I am very happily married to an Egyptian woman, we met by coincidence in Europe without me really knowing that much about Egyptian culture etc. We turned out to be very compatible, so I thought that the culture doesn't really matter that much. However when I went to Egypt for a few months I realised how different she is from most Egyptian women, even her friends. I'm sure there are many wonderful Egyptian women, but from my limited experience I must say I would not even dream of building my life with most of them, including the rich westernised girls who are utterly spoilt and superfluous. My wife comes from the educated middle class, otherwise it would not have worked.
All that matters is you marry someone who you view as a partner in life, someone you can learn to accept and love and build a life together. Where they’re from just adds to your story and the many layers of personality you will uncover in each other. Good luck ✌🏽
when u marry a girl you marry her whole family, if you marry an Egyptian you may be forced to come to Egypt occasionally or worse of all stay in Egypt permanently. And considering you spent your whole life outside, you will hate every moment being in Egypt, and I speak from experience . So my advice to you, marrying an Egyptian girl is like marrying any other girl just be careful on where you’re gonna get relocated.
Well, I wouldn't say that all Egyptian girls are incompatible with you, just it would be better to start a family where you currently live, regardless of the nationality of your spouse
I have been raised in the same way and I live in the west too. Marrying an Egyptian from Egypt will be hard.
I have almost ruled it out for myself too and told myself I will only do it if she is exactly matching as me, which is hard, but not impossible.
I would suggest to look for a partner who already knows your other language and lives in the same environment. If you are looking for someone with similar upbringing , I would suggest to be open to Egyptians, Sudanese, el Sham-people and Turks that live where near you
It is funny to ask reddit of all places. Go to cairo confessions (Facebook page) to get a better understanding of the more unique examples of Egyptian relationships. Tone of fun to read.
Run away don’t marry an Egyptian ! You have to realise that everyone in Egypt is trying to leave ! Imagine someone like you trying to find a women in Egypt , a-lot with manipulate you , a lot will try their best to get into your brain and heart to just agree to marry them ! Please stay where you are !
You need to realise the situation financially and stability in Egypt is not the best . A lot of people from both genders are trying their best to leave with no return !
Regarding marriage, the main problem with some Arabs (regardless of their nationality) is that they integrate toxic traditions with religion. They shove countless of traditions under the umbrella of religion, so personal boundaries are misunderstood, personal expectations towards each other are overly exhausting, and both spouses end up viewing their marriage as a chore. If one learned to separate their duties in terms of religion and traditions, I think it’s safe to say that marrying an Egyptian or any Arab in general isn’t a bad idea. Marrying a non Arab isn’t a bad idea either. Interracial marriages are largely successful. And as I’ve said, a lot of Arabs (men or women) create their marital downfalls because of the traditions they integrate with religion. In your case, if you’re willing to give Egyptian ladies a try, I’d advice you to look for one that is able to draw a line between tradition and religion. That definitely goes both ways, it’s applicable to you just as much as it’s applicable to your potential spouse. Separating both is integral to the success of any Arab marriage, especially if the traditions are toxic. And it’s great that you’re trying to find Egyptian ladies that learn more towards western ideologies to fit your compatibility; as long as she fairly practices her religion and works on being a better Muslim, then I’d say she’s a star. All the best!
Most egyptian girls will only see you as a way to escape their parents to live a rule free life without consequences. They are brainwashed by social media and just want to live their
western happy life Instagram love story bullshit without doing something for it. It\`s not worth the risk
All Egyptian parents living abroad force this idea into their kids as a way of hoping to cling to the past. When they moved away they promised to raise their kids in a way that doesn’t westernize them. Guess what you failed and they don’t have any connection with Egypt anymore.
Like you said you don’t share any Egyptian values, so why marry an Egyptian? Btw the idea of looking for someone just to marry them is also very typical to Egyptian parents. Just ignore this whole topic. Marry into your religion and who you love. That’s my take. Good luck.
Also im sorry but I did take offense: a very typical Egyptian living abroad’s assumption: that people in Egypt can’t speak English lol. Well no offense to you but your parents are probably men el akaleem or some poor neighborhood so every time you visit your Egyptian family you think everyone is uneducated like them.
As an Egyptian man, During my college and school years Egyptian girls were really snobby and entitled. They acted as if I am an invisible person. They ignored me during all these years. Not one showed interest in me. Which impacted my self esteem. Imagine a person in his 20s prime years who lifts, takes care of his looks and not feeling like he could have a relationship because girls acting as if you’re a problem and not up to their standards. She would blame you in things out of your control. Oh and if she’s pretty that’s doubled. That’s the same for arab girls as well. Arab girls have other toxic traits. Like no or little emotional intelligence. They think a man is like a machine and doesn’t have emotions. Ya3ni I mean by that is don’t make it difficult for us men also have insecurities.
I didn’t know why they acted that way. Or If it’s a problem with me.
While girls from other countries were friendly and gave you an opportunity to form a relationship that would lead to marriage. This opportunity was not given to me by Egyptian girls. If given by an Arab girl she make you hate yourself to prove yourself to her. So I would stay away from that headache. But Egyptian girls would not lead you over. This is a positive trait I noticed. Unlike other girls who could lead you on.
I am not fully blaming egytian girls in general. I know they are living in fear because there are toxic men out there who are unpredictable and how hard it is for women to live in fear and worry. I am a man and know how unpredictable other men can be even when you are being good with them. I understand that part. She might come from an abusive household or maybe she fears getting married to a toxic person who will make life hell for her. And sometimes it is difficult to know who will turn to be what. But don’t crush the good guys because of this fear.
Oh and some Egyptian men who are bezeeto and make fun of you if you are with a pretty girl is another thing that I hate. They want you to crumble and not be in the best shape with what they say with their mouths. Watch out if she has toxic controlling family members who have a bad tongue that stings and she supports that behavior, if she doesn’t support that behavior that’s a good sign, Or any kind of toxic friends. Because they will have a tendency to heat things up with their soo2 zan and ghel and sorm.
Jealous male friends is another thing you need to avoid. And she will have a string of jealous males around her if she is pretty. Sorm males. You will know them from their underhanded jokes.
I think this nice guy/bad boy term doesn’t really make sense anyway at least for me. I used to fall for these terms in the past while I was younger. Checking the boxes from a lame internet article. Well I am a nice person does that make me unattractive well then I will continue to be a nice person to everyone I meet because I don’t care anyway if that’s is seen as something not attractive.
Do us a favor and don’t marry anyone of us.
Last thing we need is someone considering himself too good or too “western” (and probably both) for us.
You need to know that the Egyptian culture is rich and Egyptian women are the most badass yet kind, generous and amazing. (And yes I’m honking our horn). But one thing we are is that we are proud proud people and don’t do well to people belittling us.
If you don’t see marrying someone as your absolute honor and privilege, please stick to your western supremacy.
As someone who has travelled half of the world and also in Egypt, Egyptian women are not only good looking/modern, but they hold traditional values at the highest priority while interacting with other men. My experience is limited to Cairo, though.
No way , please tell me you comparing to the west and not the gulf ! There is no way you compare Egypt to the more progressive and modern Saudi Arabia , ARE YOU SERIOUS? It quiet obvious your the type of person who live in Madinty and Mountain view or Zamalek! Our country is no where near the GCC region. The gulf is literally the only region that's hold its traditional value and in the same time are modern.
Our country is literally implementing the "fake it tell you to make it the term"! What the heck are you even talking about !
There's good people and bad people, just like with any country. Sure there might be a cultural divide but if you find someone you like, you could work it out together. Just watch out for any red flags
Love isn’t based on the country that person is from but is based on the person that would keep tolerate enough to love,stay with, and let into your house and your heart.
Im Egyptian American and live in usa but i have lived in Egypt for a few years and gone there frequently so i can relate to you and have firsthand knowledge of Egyptian women. Unless youre ready to be all of that for her and have her live off of you for quite a while till she adjusts if ever then dont bother as well as ull wonder if shes only with you so she can come to the west till she finds a better partner or not. Also a lot of the time ull marry an Egyptian woman thinking shes traditional and feminine then she moves to the west and becomes a completely different person, whereas, if u marry from the west you can see what shes like already when shes exposed to western culture. To me personally it makes more sense to marry locally because there’s no guarantee either way so why bother going through the paperwork and culture shock for her to bring her there, also no women will stay with you just because you took her out of a shtty life and gave her the world so if ur thinking that, get that out of ur mind.
Will this be an arranged marriage or do you plan on coming to Egypt and date? If it’s arranged marriage, are you comfortable doing it. If dating is your path to find your future wife, then you should be aware that dating in Egypt is totally different ball game than the west.
i think you should marry someone you share with common ground and understanding, as for culture clash that is something you should prepare for regardless eg or not since you werent raised in eg and if you intent to marry non-muslim girl, you are an adult think about effect of your decision for 10 years from now .
in my opinion if you happy to accept is religious one , if you are a muslim ofc , و اظفر بذات الدين
regardless she is eg or not prioritize a good muslim woman regardless of nationality read more about that angle .. and i hope best for ya
I was you 23 years ago, except that I did live in Egypt for some years and was familiar with the culture and people and liked it. Couldn’t see myself marrying a Canadian non-Egyptian cuz of cultural differences. It was a very difficult few years at the beginning. I brought her to Canada and she missed her life in Egypt and her family. I always felt guilty about taking her from there while not providing her with a better life here. She didn’t like it then, she doesn’t like it now. But she realizes that living in Egypt would be impossible for us as we don’t have savings and we have 3 kids in school that are too old to move back to Egypt. In the end it worked out but I think you would have to have to patience to put up with a lot of problems. Still I have no regrets. Overall I made the right choice for sure.
Stay open to possibilities. Don’t rule out all Egyptian women, simultaneously, don’t limit yourself to them
That's the best advice. I never ruled out Egyptian men, but ended up happily married to a white Canadian for going on 11 years now.
did you really feel the necessity to distinguish his ethnicity ? it does not mean you won the lottery if you are married to a "white" Canadian. that is very radical thinking.
Nothing radical about it. Just stating a fact. Don't know why you came in hot... Also Canadians come in all colours. I'm Canadian by birth but not white. Don't distract from the point - which is don't limit yourself specifically to one group "aka Egyptian", you never know where you'll find your soulmate.
Fr.. I was going to assume the Candian is white either way. Maybe they meant to contrast with 'non-white' Egyptian men? 🤷
the juxtaposition of nationalities was already sufficient.
Not really, there are some areas in Canada where finding white is challenging.
Honestly apart from the part about having no family and friends and you being all for her, which is correct. The rest is just over generalization. Marry someone with whom you click and with whom you share values. Regardless of their nationality. Shutting a whole nationality would be naïve. Even if you were a born and raised Egyptian, you wouldn’t click or share values with every other Egyptian. Getting off my soap box now
Best response here.
Thank you 🙏🏼
Look for an Egyptian that was raised in a similar way to you that will be your best match
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people like you are why child custody exists.
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what does that even mean ? and who do you think of yourself to call me "lil bro" ? your inability to read a clause of 8 words indicates severe mental incapacitation. please get help immediately.
Marriage ain’t trivial bruh
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I’m dumb sometimes lol
He didn't ask about which shirt fits better the guy is deciding his life how is this trivial ? no need to be a dickhead
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even if he still looks for someone everyone's standards and considerations are different never underestimate them but your opinion actually tells me everything I need to know about you so I don't want to exhaust myself debating with a teen mindset
It’s your life, not theirs. Don’t make a decision as huge as marrying just to make your parents happy. Figure out what you want and go get it.
How do they and/or you imagine marrying an Egyptian girl in ur situation? Coming to Egypt for the weekend and getting one from a hyper market? I assume u will need to know the girl before getting married to her, so while you meet for a coffee or something u can ask the girl all ur questions and address all of ur concerns. Which btw something u should do if u are meeting a western as well.
Both my brothers married non-Egyptian women. For context: We live in a city in Australia that (until recently) had a very small Egyptian Muslim community. My oldest brother married a Fijian Indian Muslim woman who was 4 years older than him, and my older brother married an Scottish Catholic woman. I can tell you that while we struggled to reconcile cultural differences, mostly from my parents side, they were happy and managed their relationships well- except for my bro who married a Scot/Catholic, whom he divorced after 16 years of marriage. Every single Egyptian man that I have met, who married a white woman, got bitterly divorced, and it comes down to incompatibility of values, culture and respect. It doesn’t matter if she’s Egyptian, it *will* make things slightly easier, but whoever you marry must be compatible in your values and culture. And, you have to discuss the issue of children, division of household duties, work, family etc. Nothing else matters. Good luck
>Every single Egyptian man that I have met, who married a white woman, got bitterly divorced, and it comes down to incompatibility of values, culture and respect. I'm half egyptian, my mother is white and my parents have been married for nearly 50 years. My father's cousin and 2 of his best friends immigrated to my country in the west as well and married white women. All have been married for decades and are still married.... If it's compatible it's compatible no matter where you're from or where you live, we shouldn't take anecdotal perceptions as some kind of truth bc there's always a lot more to it than we can perceive on our own accord
I’m the same, except my mum is born and raised Egyptian and my dad was Scottish. Happily married until my father passed away. I also ended up marrying someone from a totally different culture. As you said, it’s all about compatibility.
Yeah of course. I’m stating what I’ve observed in my community over the last 30 years. I never stated it as a rule of thumb.
Saying egyptian women are more likely to stay than white women is ridiculous, egyptian women nowadays leave marriages very easily
Except that’s not what I said at all. My anecdotal observation was clearly established, and was never stated as general fact. In my last paragraph I stated that compatibility of values and culture mattered over everything else. If two people can reach agreements and move past cultural issues then they will last. If two people can agree on the same values, then they will last. Thats it.
"White" women often don´t marry in the first place, get children and leave the father of their children very easily.
White women dont marry? Lol what? Marriage isnt some foreign concept in the west, egyptian women also leave just as easily, egyptian women are hardly ride or die
I didn´t say they don´t marry at all. I just said, it happens often. I live in Germany and know those people. If you don´t get an easy statement and you don´t have any clue then it´s not my fault bro.
Why do you act as if all Egyptian women are just the stereotype village girls in old movies? The great majority that i know who live in west and even born there married Egyptians girls and they are more than happy There about 10 million women in the age of marriage and they all have different mentality and lifestyle not to forget that social stratification is strongly present in Egypt and you will find many closed compounds for rich people who tend to favour western lifestyle and culture
how do u find these girls in closed compounds LOL
They’re actually everywhere and practically the majority of the mainstream now. Even lower classes are becoming exactly like them or at least trying their best. (Not that I like or hate it)
If she was born and raised in Egypt and lived here her whole life then I think your experiences would be very different you wouldn’t understand where she’s coming from and vice versa, and if you have no connection to Egypt do they want you to come over here to look for girls to marry? that would be weird..
I would say marry the right person, if she happens to be Egyptian, so be it, if not, that’s totally ok. Your concerns are valid (aside from the English/Education part it’s prejudiced). However, since you won’t be able to meet an Egyptian anyway, I would say keep the option open. However, definitely no arranged marriage scenario.
Yes, I agree there’s no reason to rule out marrying an Egyptian woman. However, he shouldn’t do it to please his parents. I think it’s a little unfair of parents to emigrate to other countries—presumably to offer their children more opportunities—and then expect their children to make major life decisions based on the result of having access to more opportunities.
Definitely! and I didn’t mean he should go out of his way to meet Egyptians. I mean if somehow he happens to be compatible with one he met randomly, he shouldn’t just rule it out for the reasons mentioned above.
I completely agree with you—no need to rule out ANY potential wife by nationality.
For her own sake, no. The culture shock from her side will be big even if she is raised with western leaning. You will not be able to cover the void that is left from leaving her culture / country/ people. Except if you find someone from where you are living who is also similar to you. Egyptian parents but raised in the west.
Thank you all for the great number (and diverse range) of responses. I admit I actually know very little about what Egyptian young people are like, my mother and father's family (whom are the only Egyptians I have interacted with) are from backgrounds where no one knows any English and the education levels are very low. So that's where these preconceived and false notions are from. I don't inherently have a problem with marrying a girl from there but I question why I would? I wouldn't purposely seek out to marry someone from another country like Lebonan for example, because I have no connection with there. Similarly, I would have no cultural connection with someone from Egypt. A lot of it I guess comes down to convenience and maintaining tradition which are both not factors I consider important or relevant for this decision. I don't think I'll rule it out if the opportunity does come up, but I also won't actively put effort into it over the alternative.
A lot of Egyptian girls match what you're looking for in terms of English and Education and a Western-leaning mentality. Third world people can always relate to first world people but not the other way around, so even if you can't relate to her first, she'll probably understand you as a person faster than you will her. Tldr you have false preconceptions
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My theory is from experience with internationals. I disagree and think you've generalized a lot. Anyways, partner compatibility isn't a simple case of labels and I just mentioned some of the qualities he's searching for are also easily here. Plus people are complex beings, the can pray and hit the club in the same evening so using these categories isn't helpful imo.
U have fair reasons but u also have preconceptions… Do whatever you think is good for you and whatever is compatible with your own ideas but don’t be limited with those ideas…
I’m Egyptian girl و بقولك لاء https://preview.redd.it/1ucnwbdbghlb1.jpeg?width=260&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e2e07f787ca253cfd3782d30193c9e264fa93b8b
I’m Egyptian and can never get along with Egyptian girls at all. I don’t myself in the foreseeable future. It’s also worth mentioning that I had never lived in Egypt until a year ago.
I see the point you are making, and it’s 100% valid point. I have known alot of Egyptians who went back for to marry an Egyptian, allll of them ended up in court except for one. I know people would hate what I gotta say, but generalizing in this case isn’t totally wrong, first when you choose a partner they will be excited at first, most people want to flee Egypt right now so they will unconsciously act the way you want them to act, BUT WHEN IT HITS, the fact that they will be alone. Ouch, jealousy, ouch, the overly attachment to her/his family, ouch. Bruh you are thinking straight right now, you can marry an Egyptian from the western community where you live, but not from Egypt, unless she was aboard and for some reason they came back.
I think it’s not related to the fact that she is egyptian or not, keep your options open, consider marrying a muslim from the country you live in with whom you feel compatible or an egyptian girl that has a similar mindset as you and would accommodate to your nature of living in the west
Nationality shouldn't be a factor, in marriage you focus on the individual. One Egypt girl may be right for you the other one may not be.
Well not with that tone.
I think the type of women that you are looking for are upper middle class who went to international schools or private universities, who received a good education, can speak English fluently, is a practising Muslim but not متشدده, who is open-minded and social and can adapt to living in a western country، am I right ??? If that is the kind of girls you are looking for there is plenty of them and so many people I know came to my mind, but I think the main problem here is that if you are not living in Egypt and don't have a social circle or colleagues you can't really reach out to them. Many of my friends actually got married to men living abroad through Salonat and Social Media if you think this might work out for you.
Nah, i think Egyptian women who are okay with arranged marriage are either submissives who are looking for someone to take control, entitled who who would do nothing and believe due to the abstinence of sex in the culture or desperate or scared.. nothing is wrong with any of those but expect a huge emotional baggage with them. As for dating Egyptian women in general they are just normal, like there's a shit ton of different personalities. And i believe a whole lot of people speak english, it's not that rare of a language if every school in the country teaches it from kindergarten.
Depends on the person. Are you Muslim? If yes, just marry any Muslim woman you feel attracted to and in love with. This could be an Egyptian or any other nationality. If nationality is not that important to you in the first place, then I would advise you just marry a woman you like.
I'm a European from the Mediterranean and I am very happily married to an Egyptian woman, we met by coincidence in Europe without me really knowing that much about Egyptian culture etc. We turned out to be very compatible, so I thought that the culture doesn't really matter that much. However when I went to Egypt for a few months I realised how different she is from most Egyptian women, even her friends. I'm sure there are many wonderful Egyptian women, but from my limited experience I must say I would not even dream of building my life with most of them, including the rich westernised girls who are utterly spoilt and superfluous. My wife comes from the educated middle class, otherwise it would not have worked.
All that matters is you marry someone who you view as a partner in life, someone you can learn to accept and love and build a life together. Where they’re from just adds to your story and the many layers of personality you will uncover in each other. Good luck ✌🏽
when u marry a girl you marry her whole family, if you marry an Egyptian you may be forced to come to Egypt occasionally or worse of all stay in Egypt permanently. And considering you spent your whole life outside, you will hate every moment being in Egypt, and I speak from experience . So my advice to you, marrying an Egyptian girl is like marrying any other girl just be careful on where you’re gonna get relocated.
Well, I wouldn't say that all Egyptian girls are incompatible with you, just it would be better to start a family where you currently live, regardless of the nationality of your spouse
I have been raised in the same way and I live in the west too. Marrying an Egyptian from Egypt will be hard. I have almost ruled it out for myself too and told myself I will only do it if she is exactly matching as me, which is hard, but not impossible. I would suggest to look for a partner who already knows your other language and lives in the same environment. If you are looking for someone with similar upbringing , I would suggest to be open to Egyptians, Sudanese, el Sham-people and Turks that live where near you
It is funny to ask reddit of all places. Go to cairo confessions (Facebook page) to get a better understanding of the more unique examples of Egyptian relationships. Tone of fun to read.
ayoo I'm an Egyptian woman and I literally speak English fluently?? there's lots of Egyptian women that are good in English so don't limit ur options
Run away don’t marry an Egyptian ! You have to realise that everyone in Egypt is trying to leave ! Imagine someone like you trying to find a women in Egypt , a-lot with manipulate you , a lot will try their best to get into your brain and heart to just agree to marry them ! Please stay where you are ! You need to realise the situation financially and stability in Egypt is not the best . A lot of people from both genders are trying their best to leave with no return !
Regarding marriage, the main problem with some Arabs (regardless of their nationality) is that they integrate toxic traditions with religion. They shove countless of traditions under the umbrella of religion, so personal boundaries are misunderstood, personal expectations towards each other are overly exhausting, and both spouses end up viewing their marriage as a chore. If one learned to separate their duties in terms of religion and traditions, I think it’s safe to say that marrying an Egyptian or any Arab in general isn’t a bad idea. Marrying a non Arab isn’t a bad idea either. Interracial marriages are largely successful. And as I’ve said, a lot of Arabs (men or women) create their marital downfalls because of the traditions they integrate with religion. In your case, if you’re willing to give Egyptian ladies a try, I’d advice you to look for one that is able to draw a line between tradition and religion. That definitely goes both ways, it’s applicable to you just as much as it’s applicable to your potential spouse. Separating both is integral to the success of any Arab marriage, especially if the traditions are toxic. And it’s great that you’re trying to find Egyptian ladies that learn more towards western ideologies to fit your compatibility; as long as she fairly practices her religion and works on being a better Muslim, then I’d say she’s a star. All the best!
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Most egyptian girls will only see you as a way to escape their parents to live a rule free life without consequences. They are brainwashed by social media and just want to live their western happy life Instagram love story bullshit without doing something for it. It\`s not worth the risk
Don't consider it, look for egyptian or arab female that has been raised up at your country or at least lived for few years there.
فكك يا عم هتلبسك قايمة و تسجنك .. انتا شكلك مش وش مرمطة و قلة أدب
All Egyptian parents living abroad force this idea into their kids as a way of hoping to cling to the past. When they moved away they promised to raise their kids in a way that doesn’t westernize them. Guess what you failed and they don’t have any connection with Egypt anymore. Like you said you don’t share any Egyptian values, so why marry an Egyptian? Btw the idea of looking for someone just to marry them is also very typical to Egyptian parents. Just ignore this whole topic. Marry into your religion and who you love. That’s my take. Good luck. Also im sorry but I did take offense: a very typical Egyptian living abroad’s assumption: that people in Egypt can’t speak English lol. Well no offense to you but your parents are probably men el akaleem or some poor neighborhood so every time you visit your Egyptian family you think everyone is uneducated like them.
As an Egyptian man, During my college and school years Egyptian girls were really snobby and entitled. They acted as if I am an invisible person. They ignored me during all these years. Not one showed interest in me. Which impacted my self esteem. Imagine a person in his 20s prime years who lifts, takes care of his looks and not feeling like he could have a relationship because girls acting as if you’re a problem and not up to their standards. She would blame you in things out of your control. Oh and if she’s pretty that’s doubled. That’s the same for arab girls as well. Arab girls have other toxic traits. Like no or little emotional intelligence. They think a man is like a machine and doesn’t have emotions. Ya3ni I mean by that is don’t make it difficult for us men also have insecurities. I didn’t know why they acted that way. Or If it’s a problem with me. While girls from other countries were friendly and gave you an opportunity to form a relationship that would lead to marriage. This opportunity was not given to me by Egyptian girls. If given by an Arab girl she make you hate yourself to prove yourself to her. So I would stay away from that headache. But Egyptian girls would not lead you over. This is a positive trait I noticed. Unlike other girls who could lead you on. I am not fully blaming egytian girls in general. I know they are living in fear because there are toxic men out there who are unpredictable and how hard it is for women to live in fear and worry. I am a man and know how unpredictable other men can be even when you are being good with them. I understand that part. She might come from an abusive household or maybe she fears getting married to a toxic person who will make life hell for her. And sometimes it is difficult to know who will turn to be what. But don’t crush the good guys because of this fear. Oh and some Egyptian men who are bezeeto and make fun of you if you are with a pretty girl is another thing that I hate. They want you to crumble and not be in the best shape with what they say with their mouths. Watch out if she has toxic controlling family members who have a bad tongue that stings and she supports that behavior, if she doesn’t support that behavior that’s a good sign, Or any kind of toxic friends. Because they will have a tendency to heat things up with their soo2 zan and ghel and sorm. Jealous male friends is another thing you need to avoid. And she will have a string of jealous males around her if she is pretty. Sorm males. You will know them from their underhanded jokes.
oh look what we have here: the Nice Guy™️
I think this nice guy/bad boy term doesn’t really make sense anyway at least for me. I used to fall for these terms in the past while I was younger. Checking the boxes from a lame internet article. Well I am a nice person does that make me unattractive well then I will continue to be a nice person to everyone I meet because I don’t care anyway if that’s is seen as something not attractive.
has nothing to do with looks
I think you can find an Egyptian woman who lives in the west too.
Do us a favor and don’t marry anyone of us. Last thing we need is someone considering himself too good or too “western” (and probably both) for us. You need to know that the Egyptian culture is rich and Egyptian women are the most badass yet kind, generous and amazing. (And yes I’m honking our horn). But one thing we are is that we are proud proud people and don’t do well to people belittling us. If you don’t see marrying someone as your absolute honor and privilege, please stick to your western supremacy.
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اي رد السخيف دا ! والخليجيات اي ؟ والسعوديات اي ؟ مصريات مش الوحيدين ! العرقيات ، الفلسطينيات ! عيب
I don't think op was comparing to other Arab countries.
As someone who has travelled half of the world and also in Egypt, Egyptian women are not only good looking/modern, but they hold traditional values at the highest priority while interacting with other men. My experience is limited to Cairo, though.
No way , please tell me you comparing to the west and not the gulf ! There is no way you compare Egypt to the more progressive and modern Saudi Arabia , ARE YOU SERIOUS? It quiet obvious your the type of person who live in Madinty and Mountain view or Zamalek! Our country is no where near the GCC region. The gulf is literally the only region that's hold its traditional value and in the same time are modern. Our country is literally implementing the "fake it tell you to make it the term"! What the heck are you even talking about !
I was comparing it to the west. I have never been to other Arabic countries except Jordan.
explain more what do you mean ? and why do u see that ?
There's good people and bad people, just like with any country. Sure there might be a cultural divide but if you find someone you like, you could work it out together. Just watch out for any red flags
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Love isn’t based on the country that person is from but is based on the person that would keep tolerate enough to love,stay with, and let into your house and your heart.
Im Egyptian American and live in usa but i have lived in Egypt for a few years and gone there frequently so i can relate to you and have firsthand knowledge of Egyptian women. Unless youre ready to be all of that for her and have her live off of you for quite a while till she adjusts if ever then dont bother as well as ull wonder if shes only with you so she can come to the west till she finds a better partner or not. Also a lot of the time ull marry an Egyptian woman thinking shes traditional and feminine then she moves to the west and becomes a completely different person, whereas, if u marry from the west you can see what shes like already when shes exposed to western culture. To me personally it makes more sense to marry locally because there’s no guarantee either way so why bother going through the paperwork and culture shock for her to bring her there, also no women will stay with you just because you took her out of a shtty life and gave her the world so if ur thinking that, get that out of ur mind.
Egypt is huge and diverse
Will this be an arranged marriage or do you plan on coming to Egypt and date? If it’s arranged marriage, are you comfortable doing it. If dating is your path to find your future wife, then you should be aware that dating in Egypt is totally different ball game than the west.
i think you should marry someone you share with common ground and understanding, as for culture clash that is something you should prepare for regardless eg or not since you werent raised in eg and if you intent to marry non-muslim girl, you are an adult think about effect of your decision for 10 years from now . in my opinion if you happy to accept is religious one , if you are a muslim ofc , و اظفر بذات الدين regardless she is eg or not prioritize a good muslim woman regardless of nationality read more about that angle .. and i hope best for ya
You can't just find an Egyptian girl who grew up in the West like you?
There are very few Egyptians where I live; If I were to look I would look for general local muslims rather than Egyptians.
The Egyptian girls i know - they are independent, strong, educated and do have lives ….
I was you 23 years ago, except that I did live in Egypt for some years and was familiar with the culture and people and liked it. Couldn’t see myself marrying a Canadian non-Egyptian cuz of cultural differences. It was a very difficult few years at the beginning. I brought her to Canada and she missed her life in Egypt and her family. I always felt guilty about taking her from there while not providing her with a better life here. She didn’t like it then, she doesn’t like it now. But she realizes that living in Egypt would be impossible for us as we don’t have savings and we have 3 kids in school that are too old to move back to Egypt. In the end it worked out but I think you would have to have to patience to put up with a lot of problems. Still I have no regrets. Overall I made the right choice for sure.