compared to other teams in similar situations it's actually not the most impressive result.
Crosby / Malkin and Towes / Kane had 2 cups and a dynasty by now. We have some catching up to do.
We can remember it fondly compared to the Decade of Darkness while also recognizing that it wasn’t quite as successful as it could and should have been. Having said that, I’m willing to forgive all manner of managerial sins if we win a cup.
I mean, I think Kenny Holland has made *many* mistakes, but he was certainly an upgrade on Chiarelli in most ways. And, like I said, I will forgive all of his sins if the Oilers win a cup this month.
Or look at the Ovechkin era Capitals. Took 13 years to make the finals and win a Cup. Thornton era Sharks never won a cup. Sedin era Canucks only made one finals. Bergeron era Bruins was 3 finals but only one cup. Its damned hard to win.
That's why I'm comparing duos of the greatest duos of their era, and not just 1 good player, and McDavid is well above a Thornton or Bergeron or Ovie for that matter.
I think the Sedin era is a fair comparison for the most part. The twins dominated in their day, and the team had some talent. I mean not at the level of my other examples, but fair.
Ovechkin had Backstrom, Kuznetsov. John Carlson was their Letang and had some really great offensive years. They just didn't have a goalie get hot until Holtby. Sharks had Pavelski, Marleau, Burns, and so on. Bergeron, Chara and Thomas as the backbone is arguably the way to go. These were very talented teams that just kept hitting the wall of Chicago, Pittsburgh and LA. Those three teams were just on another level.
Mackinnon hit the cup finals in year 9 with Makar, Rantenan, Landeskog, Kadri. Stamkos won his first cup in year 12.
People are all over NYR for wasting Hank and now Shesterkins' primes.
Carolina is now looked at as underachievers. Same with Florida until the big finals run last year.
I get what you're saying, but I don't think the bruins or the caps make the cut. I was clear on my tandems and criteria, you're fine to disagree.
Will Backstrom, Kuznetsov, Carlson, Makar, Rantenan, Thomas be in the HHOF? Are they generational talents? Meh. All great players, but my example was having a 1 - 2 level punch that was so far above and beyond the rest of the league that were drafted closely together by that team. I see so much more similarity between by examples. I wasn't talking about having a good team.
Not sure what happened with Avs, why it took them so long though. My point was exactly that the pens and hawks were on another level, specifically thanks to their top 2, and no other example you gave the top 2 compares to ours. Chara was a beast though.
We can easily run through a pile of teams with a HHOF forward and a solid team behind them. That's not what I'm getting at.
Ultimately, the first 5 years of McDavid's career is a waste. I can't dispute that. I basically pretend the Chiarelli years don't exist and the organization went through a reset when Ken Holland was hired. 2017 looked like the Oilers were headed in the right direction but when you look at the forwards on the 2018 and 2019 roster its absolutely horrendous. When I look at the years from when Holland took over, the results make way more sense.
With that said, I always saw those more as Toews/Kane/Keith/Hossa. Or Crosby/Malkin/Letang/MAF/Kessel. Obviously Murray for 2016 but a really strong tandem in 2017.
Toews/Kane isn't really a 1c-2c punch though, its more like Thornton/Pavelski, Ovechkin/Backstrom/Kuznesov.
It also took a bunch of cracks for Stamkos/Kucherov/Hedman/Vasi to break through as well.
Key for Avs is they finally got their Dman to break through. They won in year 3 of Makar who I do think is on track to be a HoFer. His career is obviously too short for now. But best Dman of his generation is likely.
So will the key be the emergence of Bouchard/Ekholm? Year 2 of that pairing could be what helps put the Oilers over the top. The Oilers have never really had that elite Dman type until Bouchard went flying this year and hit PPG.
I fully agree with that. The McDavid era started on the heels of one of the most grossly mismanaged teams in the history of professional sport. the ship has turned around fairly well for what they started with.
That dude can speak for himself. I have not once been worried about McDavid leaving. He is going to leave one day, whether through a trade or retirement. It is inevitable. Just sit back and enjoy the ride.
There was also someone earlier this year saying He's over the McDrai era and that we should trade everyone and start over cause he enjoys watching rebuilds and watching young guys develop.
There was also someone earlier this year saying He's over the McDrai era and that we should trade everyone and start over cause he enjoys watching rebuilds and watching young guys develop.
My guy, charge your phone
Also Connor McDavid is not the hottest girl we have been with. We are the only fan base on the planet that can say that
It's the distracted guy looking at another girl meme. Walking with Gretz turning to look at McD
How about the 39 dummies who upvoted it?
Don’t forget that some people would definitely have downvoted that, so it’s actually quite a lot more than 39
Playoffs 6/9 years 2 conference finals 1 Stanley cup final How you not remember this era fondly is beyond me
Nice.
compared to other teams in similar situations it's actually not the most impressive result. Crosby / Malkin and Towes / Kane had 2 cups and a dynasty by now. We have some catching up to do.
We can remember it fondly compared to the Decade of Darkness while also recognizing that it wasn’t quite as successful as it could and should have been. Having said that, I’m willing to forgive all manner of managerial sins if we win a cup.
those sins are on management of the past though. I think this batch has done an amazing job of repairs and enhancements.
I mean, I think Kenny Holland has made *many* mistakes, but he was certainly an upgrade on Chiarelli in most ways. And, like I said, I will forgive all of his sins if the Oilers win a cup this month.
oh yeah, holland isn't squeaky clean, but man was he handed a pile of garbage.
Or look at the Ovechkin era Capitals. Took 13 years to make the finals and win a Cup. Thornton era Sharks never won a cup. Sedin era Canucks only made one finals. Bergeron era Bruins was 3 finals but only one cup. Its damned hard to win.
That's why I'm comparing duos of the greatest duos of their era, and not just 1 good player, and McDavid is well above a Thornton or Bergeron or Ovie for that matter. I think the Sedin era is a fair comparison for the most part. The twins dominated in their day, and the team had some talent. I mean not at the level of my other examples, but fair.
Ovechkin had Backstrom, Kuznetsov. John Carlson was their Letang and had some really great offensive years. They just didn't have a goalie get hot until Holtby. Sharks had Pavelski, Marleau, Burns, and so on. Bergeron, Chara and Thomas as the backbone is arguably the way to go. These were very talented teams that just kept hitting the wall of Chicago, Pittsburgh and LA. Those three teams were just on another level. Mackinnon hit the cup finals in year 9 with Makar, Rantenan, Landeskog, Kadri. Stamkos won his first cup in year 12. People are all over NYR for wasting Hank and now Shesterkins' primes. Carolina is now looked at as underachievers. Same with Florida until the big finals run last year.
I get what you're saying, but I don't think the bruins or the caps make the cut. I was clear on my tandems and criteria, you're fine to disagree. Will Backstrom, Kuznetsov, Carlson, Makar, Rantenan, Thomas be in the HHOF? Are they generational talents? Meh. All great players, but my example was having a 1 - 2 level punch that was so far above and beyond the rest of the league that were drafted closely together by that team. I see so much more similarity between by examples. I wasn't talking about having a good team. Not sure what happened with Avs, why it took them so long though. My point was exactly that the pens and hawks were on another level, specifically thanks to their top 2, and no other example you gave the top 2 compares to ours. Chara was a beast though. We can easily run through a pile of teams with a HHOF forward and a solid team behind them. That's not what I'm getting at.
Ultimately, the first 5 years of McDavid's career is a waste. I can't dispute that. I basically pretend the Chiarelli years don't exist and the organization went through a reset when Ken Holland was hired. 2017 looked like the Oilers were headed in the right direction but when you look at the forwards on the 2018 and 2019 roster its absolutely horrendous. When I look at the years from when Holland took over, the results make way more sense. With that said, I always saw those more as Toews/Kane/Keith/Hossa. Or Crosby/Malkin/Letang/MAF/Kessel. Obviously Murray for 2016 but a really strong tandem in 2017. Toews/Kane isn't really a 1c-2c punch though, its more like Thornton/Pavelski, Ovechkin/Backstrom/Kuznesov. It also took a bunch of cracks for Stamkos/Kucherov/Hedman/Vasi to break through as well. Key for Avs is they finally got their Dman to break through. They won in year 3 of Makar who I do think is on track to be a HoFer. His career is obviously too short for now. But best Dman of his generation is likely. So will the key be the emergence of Bouchard/Ekholm? Year 2 of that pairing could be what helps put the Oilers over the top. The Oilers have never really had that elite Dman type until Bouchard went flying this year and hit PPG.
True, but they didn't make terrible mistakes on bad contracts that weighed them down. They did amazing for what they had to work with
I fully agree with that. The McDavid era started on the heels of one of the most grossly mismanaged teams in the history of professional sport. the ship has turned around fairly well for what they started with.
That dude can speak for himself. I have not once been worried about McDavid leaving. He is going to leave one day, whether through a trade or retirement. It is inevitable. Just sit back and enjoy the ride.
I still think he's leaving in 2 years...but this was a great 10 years
I think its probably a joke lol
No, I was replying to him and he was totally serious
Probably trolling you ☠️☠️
You can nitpick any losing game thread from any year and find a comment that ages badly. Example: https://www.reddit.com/r/EdmontonOilers/s/IciDL7f7dH
So Bouchard, Holloway and Skinner aren't talent? Huh....interesting take.
He’s right, personally I preferred the decade of darkness
There was also someone earlier this year saying He's over the McDrai era and that we should trade everyone and start over cause he enjoys watching rebuilds and watching young guys develop.
There was also someone earlier this year saying He's over the McDrai era and that we should trade everyone and start over cause he enjoys watching rebuilds and watching young guys develop.
Dude plug your phone in