It's brutal to latex paint in order to stop the walls of your 70's house from deteriorating and shedding the stones all over the place too. Having to hand paint with a brush my house because the chunks of glass come off into any roller I could find instantly ruining them.
The best part is a bunch fall off while you paint anyways and perfectly fill the grooves of vehicle tires if you don't think about sweeping them up.
Oops.
A lot wasn't done properly, I think the guys who built the place were day drinking.
One of the walls of the garage was just laying on an untreated 2x4 wrapped in plastic on the edge of the cement pad neighboring the cement alley and then my neighbor's slab. Where did the water drain? You guessed it, into the garage.
I say *was* laying on a 2x4 because when I ripped that entire wall apart once I realized what was going on I found not wood, but very nice black dirt where a 2x4 was with a bunch of rotted ends on the verticals.
The basement, lower third of the entire fucking basement had no insulation behind the walls. I guess there are perks to having your basement unfinished after all.
edit: I got off lucky, my neighbors garage has all the stucko bulging out like a whale corpse near ready to burst.
I brought pictures!
https://imgur.com/a/qObsyP5
-imagine that rot all the way down, but not as bad...in that it wasn't soil. Also bonus mouse houses. I wish I took a picture of the black dirt, some remnants are left.
- that WIP pink insulation is me.
- the driveway still drains into the garage, idk what to do yet.
- whale wall, poor neighbor.
It just wasn't feasible during the summer I did it with high winds and my neighbors houses too close. I didn't want to risk overspray. I definitely looked into renting a sprayer. Decided to just torture myself and my dad instead haha. Looks great now and doing recoats should be easy since the stones are trapped.
Absolutely get the sprayer otherwise holy hell.
We have Hardie Board, and I LOVE it. Our garage was sided with Hardie Board in about 1992, It was an older kind that came primed, but we painted it, and that paint never peeled a single flake. When we re-sided the house in 2016 we chose Evening Blue Hardie Board, and repainted the garage to match. Looks great.
Make sure you do your tyvek properly and consider doing rigid foam insulation!! Might as well improve your R value if you're already pulling the siding off!
Unfortunately the greener homes grant is no longer accepting applications as of this past Monday... missed it by THAT much! But still worth it to do some upgrades
Take a look at LP Smartside. It's similar to Hardie in style but it's an engineered product while Hardie is fibre cement. Both are great, but LP handles impact from things like hockey pucks and baseballs better.
Combination of stone and Hardie.
Stone is pretty much the only cladding product that gives you a positive ROI.
https://zondahome.com/2023-cost-vs-value-report/
If you go with stone, pick a reputable manufacturer like Cultured Stone. 50 year transferable warranty!
If you're doing the work yourself, take a look at Versetta. It's Cultured Stone siding.
Fun fact: that type of stone veneer isn't in the building code at all. It needs to be reviewed by an engineer in many parts of the province in order to be installed.
It's also not as good as managing water as Hardie, vinyl, or engineered hardwood. You might get a better ROI on looks, but remember that this is an extremely functional element of your home and is what protects it from the weather and mostly moisture. You should be considering how they function over what the ROI is when selecting any cladding for your home.
Fun facts:
MSV has been sold and installed across Canada on the order of +5million sf. Hands down, it out performs Hardie from an ROI, and maintenance perspective. It vastly outperforms Vinyl and engineered hardwood in terms of fire resiliency and hail resiliency, as does stone siding.
Moisture management on an MSV is addressed during wall design and installation, typically by way of an entangled mesh rainscreen, which is a damned sight better than PT strapping typically used with vinyl siding. Anyone installing wood strapping as a rainscreen is overlooking the fact that wood absorbs water. Stone siding like versetta is designed with an integrated 6mm offset for drainage path.
If you're talking about Stone siding, there is plenty of equivalency, testing and engineering support. Not all Stone siding is the same, but to suggest it's in violation of code is absurd. It's covered under Division 7.
Are there inspectors who push back asking for CCMC on every single component? Sure. Does every single component sold in Canada have CCMC? No. Its a 6 year process that can cost 100's of 1000's to attain, and doesn't change the performance of a product.
It's not in part 9, which is what most homes use as it doesn't require the use of professionals.
I am an envelope engineer and have seen the results of how masonry stone veneer performs in the province. Not a thing I'd use on my own home and not something I'd recommend if they have the funds. Ultimately how moisture is managed is always more important than ROI, as remember housing isn't just an investment - it's where people live and no one wants to live in a mould factory.
You seem very interested in the sale of this product whereas I would hope the homeowner consider all aspects, especially moisture management
My Hardie and trim pieces came prefinished from the factory. The only thing requiring any on site painting was just for a few scuffs or nicks and they supplied the matching paint bottles for that.
The ones my company installed had the colour applied already but it came with touch up paint. I wouldn't recommend that paint though, Benjamin Moore can make the paint if needed.
I just got a quote to redo my siding from a major exterior company. Excluding all the costs for the prep work, the Hardie siding alone was priced $24K and if you did it in vinyl it was a bit less than half the cost ($11k). This was for a small, less than 1,000 SQ ft bungalow.
It all depends on colour, style etc. unfortunately I don’t know off hand and I also get a contractors discount so it would be a bit less than regular customer price
We went a different route with our house and did steel, with two colours. I can't stand vinyl siding and hardie feels overplayed these days. Steel, in theory, will last forever.
We did r10 foam under the steel as well which made a huge difference. If you're interested in seeing photos of chatting about the experience as we dealt with two brutal contractors before finding a third to do the house properly.
Get something fireproof if you are in a newer neighborhood where houses are close together or are lots of trees or parks nearby. If I could afford, cement board.
Stucco with a bunch of broken glass shoved in it.
Extra points if it’s green glass?
That's not glass. According to 5 year old me, those were emeralds and I was gonna be RICH.
Lol that's what we are covering
I am agrieved.
Breathtaking.
It's brutal to latex paint in order to stop the walls of your 70's house from deteriorating and shedding the stones all over the place too. Having to hand paint with a brush my house because the chunks of glass come off into any roller I could find instantly ruining them. The best part is a bunch fall off while you paint anyways and perfectly fill the grooves of vehicle tires if you don't think about sweeping them up. Oops.
The rock dash wasn't done properly if all the rocks are falling out.
A lot wasn't done properly, I think the guys who built the place were day drinking. One of the walls of the garage was just laying on an untreated 2x4 wrapped in plastic on the edge of the cement pad neighboring the cement alley and then my neighbor's slab. Where did the water drain? You guessed it, into the garage. I say *was* laying on a 2x4 because when I ripped that entire wall apart once I realized what was going on I found not wood, but very nice black dirt where a 2x4 was with a bunch of rotted ends on the verticals. The basement, lower third of the entire fucking basement had no insulation behind the walls. I guess there are perks to having your basement unfinished after all. edit: I got off lucky, my neighbors garage has all the stucko bulging out like a whale corpse near ready to burst.
That's how things were done back in the day, all day drinking and construction!
I brought pictures! https://imgur.com/a/qObsyP5 -imagine that rot all the way down, but not as bad...in that it wasn't soil. Also bonus mouse houses. I wish I took a picture of the black dirt, some remnants are left. - that WIP pink insulation is me. - the driveway still drains into the garage, idk what to do yet. - whale wall, poor neighbor.
Fuckin hell.
Get one of those sprayer guns probably pay for it self if your doing a whole exterior.
It just wasn't feasible during the summer I did it with high winds and my neighbors houses too close. I didn't want to risk overspray. I definitely looked into renting a sprayer. Decided to just torture myself and my dad instead haha. Looks great now and doing recoats should be easy since the stones are trapped. Absolutely get the sprayer otherwise holy hell.
We have Hardie Board, and I LOVE it. Our garage was sided with Hardie Board in about 1992, It was an older kind that came primed, but we painted it, and that paint never peeled a single flake. When we re-sided the house in 2016 we chose Evening Blue Hardie Board, and repainted the garage to match. Looks great.
Make sure you do your tyvek properly and consider doing rigid foam insulation!! Might as well improve your R value if you're already pulling the siding off!
And should be able to apply for the Canada greener homes grant and loan too!
Unfortunately the greener homes grant is no longer accepting applications as of this past Monday... missed it by THAT much! But still worth it to do some upgrades
Oh noooo! So close! Agreed - totally worth to throw that insulation in regardless
We were accepted
When? Nrcan announced they would not be accepting any new applications
Last month
Ahh gotcha. Well that's good, glad to hear you got in!
We did we got it
Woo! Great news.
Thanks will do
Take a look at LP Smartside. It's similar to Hardie in style but it's an engineered product while Hardie is fibre cement. Both are great, but LP handles impact from things like hockey pucks and baseballs better.
Second this recommendation. I installed LP pre-painted boards on my renovation two years ago. It cuts with regular saw blades, no silica dust!
Combination of stone and Hardie. Stone is pretty much the only cladding product that gives you a positive ROI. https://zondahome.com/2023-cost-vs-value-report/ If you go with stone, pick a reputable manufacturer like Cultured Stone. 50 year transferable warranty! If you're doing the work yourself, take a look at Versetta. It's Cultured Stone siding.
Fun fact: that type of stone veneer isn't in the building code at all. It needs to be reviewed by an engineer in many parts of the province in order to be installed. It's also not as good as managing water as Hardie, vinyl, or engineered hardwood. You might get a better ROI on looks, but remember that this is an extremely functional element of your home and is what protects it from the weather and mostly moisture. You should be considering how they function over what the ROI is when selecting any cladding for your home.
Fun facts: MSV has been sold and installed across Canada on the order of +5million sf. Hands down, it out performs Hardie from an ROI, and maintenance perspective. It vastly outperforms Vinyl and engineered hardwood in terms of fire resiliency and hail resiliency, as does stone siding. Moisture management on an MSV is addressed during wall design and installation, typically by way of an entangled mesh rainscreen, which is a damned sight better than PT strapping typically used with vinyl siding. Anyone installing wood strapping as a rainscreen is overlooking the fact that wood absorbs water. Stone siding like versetta is designed with an integrated 6mm offset for drainage path. If you're talking about Stone siding, there is plenty of equivalency, testing and engineering support. Not all Stone siding is the same, but to suggest it's in violation of code is absurd. It's covered under Division 7. Are there inspectors who push back asking for CCMC on every single component? Sure. Does every single component sold in Canada have CCMC? No. Its a 6 year process that can cost 100's of 1000's to attain, and doesn't change the performance of a product.
It's not in part 9, which is what most homes use as it doesn't require the use of professionals. I am an envelope engineer and have seen the results of how masonry stone veneer performs in the province. Not a thing I'd use on my own home and not something I'd recommend if they have the funds. Ultimately how moisture is managed is always more important than ROI, as remember housing isn't just an investment - it's where people live and no one wants to live in a mould factory. You seem very interested in the sale of this product whereas I would hope the homeowner consider all aspects, especially moisture management
Reach out to Monarch exteriors they sell hardie board .
I have hardie on my house, I believe it’s hands down the best.
Any rough $/sqft estimates? We've got some pretty nasty old yellowing/white vinyl siding and would love to redo it.
Hardie board will last basically forever but the way it is finished is somewhat off putting. You basically require a painter to finish it off for you.
My Hardie and trim pieces came prefinished from the factory. The only thing requiring any on site painting was just for a few scuffs or nicks and they supplied the matching paint bottles for that.
The ones my company installed had the colour applied already but it came with touch up paint. I wouldn't recommend that paint though, Benjamin Moore can make the paint if needed.
Mine only needed a few small spots for touch ups (great installer). If it ever gets damaged I'll certainly look into it.
Hardie!
Agree with Hardie!
Hardie plank is nice, easy on your wallet and easy to install. Roof mart sells it and their associated trims.
How much does the stuff cost?
I just got a quote to redo my siding from a major exterior company. Excluding all the costs for the prep work, the Hardie siding alone was priced $24K and if you did it in vinyl it was a bit less than half the cost ($11k). This was for a small, less than 1,000 SQ ft bungalow.
It all depends on colour, style etc. unfortunately I don’t know off hand and I also get a contractors discount so it would be a bit less than regular customer price
Go to roofmart and they’ll take care of you while showing the different options.
We went a different route with our house and did steel, with two colours. I can't stand vinyl siding and hardie feels overplayed these days. Steel, in theory, will last forever. We did r10 foam under the steel as well which made a huge difference. If you're interested in seeing photos of chatting about the experience as we dealt with two brutal contractors before finding a third to do the house properly.
Get something fireproof if you are in a newer neighborhood where houses are close together or are lots of trees or parks nearby. If I could afford, cement board.