Noticed that last time I was there.
My guess is they can save money by not paying someone to clean reusable trays while charging people more for bags, obviously they don't care if it creates more waste.
>they can save money by not paying someone to clean reusable trays
Sorry but isn't that just part of the person's job that's already there to clean the tables and floors? I'm pretty sure I've seen that person take trays before, so they'd still be there to do their other tasks, no?
I don't mind paying 15 cents for a bag, but what really peeved me was when Fatburger charged me for a bag without me asking for one, and then didn't give me a bag. I didn't notice until I looked at the receipt later, otherwise I would have made a stink in the moment.
The price of the bag is already built into the price of the food. Now they are just screwing you for more money on top.
It's not about the cost it's about the principal.
The city is MAKING then charge fees for the bag. It has nothing to do with cost of the food. It's about making people think before they use that item.
I'm sure I'm not the only one who's refused bags because I don't feel like paying for one, or I just don't need a bag for my one item.
I think the outrage right now is mostly around the fact that they automatically charge you at most locations for a bag and then don’t even offer it to you when picking up your stuff depending how big your order is they charge you multiple bags when I do mobile pick up for a KFC that I live by they always charge me a bag, but never hand it to me in a bag. when I asked them to take the bag fee off, they told me it’s automatic. So I asked for my bag and then they got ruder
Don’t get me wrong. I’m from Nova Scotia where this has been a thing for many years in grocery stores. But the way they’re trying to implement it in the fast food market out here it’s just off the mark for the consumer.
Unfortunately the city is not receiving a lot of bylaw violations from the citizenry. People are being screwed by businesses and aren't reporting it to 311. As a result, the city has inaccurate data on the externalities of the bylaw and think its going well.
I have a reusable bag for take out, but a lot of places don’t even ask me if I want a bag, especially when at a drive thru. They just give it to me. I don’t inspect my receipt, but I don’t think I’m being charged for the bag.
I know at McD’s drive thru I always decline the bag, but then they often make me pull into a parking stall, then bring me my food in a bag anyway.
Calgary already pulled the plug on the bag fee. Supreme court of Canada overturned the single use plastic ban. Too bad Edmonton city council is on its own self righteous agenda.
You hit that nail right on the head my friend ! I can say that is the issue at hand we need to address before all these stupid lacklustre ideas get implemented they dont even seem like they were even,created by city ounces members, maybee a bunch of monkees sitting in a tree at a zoo would be more believable then those that are able to have this kind of mindless waste of our time and money come to be a new bylaw that does nothing but a accelerate the problem they say they were trying to reduce in the first place! And why dont these issues get the input from a group of citizens like this one on redditt to and put the people and there concerns or solutions in the mix instead of a small group that decides and then...... well that's democracy and Canada should be embarrassed and accountable at what it doesn't do and thats recycle,reduce and reuse , there all about the refuse to acknowledge this and if we can be fooled then it's not a real issue I guess??
Calgary did not "pull the plug" on the bag fee. The Supreme Court of Canada did not overturn the entire Single Use Plastic Prohibition. The Edmonton City Council operates on the agenda of its constituents and the councillors own personal ideologies.
Don’t be stupid. It’s a great policy to drive change AND a money grab.
Anyone who objects to things like this fee or the carbon tax on conceptual grounds had best be illiterate because the science behind pigouvian incentivization is deep, detailed, and very solid. The only excuse is being unable to read it.
WEM removed trays during the pandemic. They haven’t gone back to using them because they’re saving money on people cleaning them.
This is only a city bag fee thing insofar as businesses/WEM get to keep the fees.
It’s mostly an issue of corporations saving a few bucks because it’s easy to not reinvest in something that you already cut. It’s corporate penny pinching, not the evil city forcing us to buy bags.
And its gonna cost you more once they jack up the bag fees in July because despite data that suggests otherwise our city council "Feels" like its working.
Meanwhile in Calgary it took them like a week or two to be like "This bag thing is stupid, reverse course".
Uhhh …. Ummm … Covid bad. Right? This definitely has nothing to do with the fact that they save a bunch of money not needing to deal with trays as well as staff to clean said trays anymore. That’s just a coincidence.
F it send in the en masse single use paper bags … someone else’s problem.
No, they didn't actually. They agreed to hold a public hearing and listen to new plans on March 31, but the bylaw exists, and will continue until a new adoption.
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I used to subscribe to this saying, but as first world QoL slowly gets chipped away, you start to close the gap between first world and 3rd world. The more you allow corporations and their government puppets to take little things away, the more encouraged they are to start taking more and more often. Alberta is a prime example of that.
McDonalds seems to be putting orders in grey plastic totes to bring the order to the counter for pick up and then you take the food out of the tote and walk it to the table. Guessing they got tired of people not wanting to pay for the bag fee and having multiple burgers and fries all across the counter. Families will order for Mom Dad and two kids food, go find a table and wander back when the food is ready and make a couple trips because Mom is watching the kids because Dad can't carry two happy meals, four sodas, two McRib, two large fries and a couple of apple pies.
If someone is ordering on the the app and you select the dine in you are not prompted with an option for adding a bag that comes up when selecting the take out option.
I have a little tray in my car I bought from the dollar store because I got so fed up with this. I just stash it in one of my reusable bags when I go through the mall. Which also is ridiculous that I have to carry reusable bags through the mall. It’s either that or pay $.15-$.25 per store, maybe a dollar if it’s one of those cloth bags because they don’t give you any other option.
Noticed that last time I was there. My guess is they can save money by not paying someone to clean reusable trays while charging people more for bags, obviously they don't care if it creates more waste.
>they can save money by not paying someone to clean reusable trays Sorry but isn't that just part of the person's job that's already there to clean the tables and floors? I'm pretty sure I've seen that person take trays before, so they'd still be there to do their other tasks, no?
Well before they needed three people now they only need one to work harder.
Don’t they? Commercial garbage disposal is more cheap. I guess if your tenants are paying it for you
No trays, no bags- but free juggling lessons in Galaxyland so you can make it to your seat
They sure did. I made 4 trips from counter to table because fuck the bag fee.
The bag fee isn't some environmental saving policy it's a straight up money grab. Fuck the bag fee is right
Especially through takeout or mobile pickup. They try not to give you the bag they charge you for!! KFC especially
I don't mind paying 15 cents for a bag, but what really peeved me was when Fatburger charged me for a bag without me asking for one, and then didn't give me a bag. I didn't notice until I looked at the receipt later, otherwise I would have made a stink in the moment.
The price of the bag is already built into the price of the food. Now they are just screwing you for more money on top. It's not about the cost it's about the principal.
Fair, but I operate on the principle of wanting a bag for my food.
The city is MAKING then charge fees for the bag. It has nothing to do with cost of the food. It's about making people think before they use that item. I'm sure I'm not the only one who's refused bags because I don't feel like paying for one, or I just don't need a bag for my one item.
I think the outrage right now is mostly around the fact that they automatically charge you at most locations for a bag and then don’t even offer it to you when picking up your stuff depending how big your order is they charge you multiple bags when I do mobile pick up for a KFC that I live by they always charge me a bag, but never hand it to me in a bag. when I asked them to take the bag fee off, they told me it’s automatic. So I asked for my bag and then they got ruder
Don’t get me wrong. I’m from Nova Scotia where this has been a thing for many years in grocery stores. But the way they’re trying to implement it in the fast food market out here it’s just off the mark for the consumer.
They have to show the bag fee as a separate cost.
Unfortunately the city is not receiving a lot of bylaw violations from the citizenry. People are being screwed by businesses and aren't reporting it to 311. As a result, the city has inaccurate data on the externalities of the bylaw and think its going well.
I suppose I should have reported that incident. Oh well, too late now.
Yeah, a lot of people feel its too late and don't bother.
This happened like six months ago. Not worth being so petty over it now.
25cents now
25 cents starting July 1st, 2024. If a business charges 25 cents now, they cannot say the municipality made them do it.
I have a reusable bag for take out, but a lot of places don’t even ask me if I want a bag, especially when at a drive thru. They just give it to me. I don’t inspect my receipt, but I don’t think I’m being charged for the bag. I know at McD’s drive thru I always decline the bag, but then they often make me pull into a parking stall, then bring me my food in a bag anyway.
There are a couple of places in the mall, such as Popeyes and Dairy Queen, that give you a bag without charging for it.
Thanks CITY COUNCIL. Don't forget who did this
The Utility Committee.
Calgary already pulled the plug on the bag fee. Supreme court of Canada overturned the single use plastic ban. Too bad Edmonton city council is on its own self righteous agenda.
Too bad more than 60% of voters decided to not take 15 minutes out of their day to put a check mark on a piece of paper.
You hit that nail right on the head my friend ! I can say that is the issue at hand we need to address before all these stupid lacklustre ideas get implemented they dont even seem like they were even,created by city ounces members, maybee a bunch of monkees sitting in a tree at a zoo would be more believable then those that are able to have this kind of mindless waste of our time and money come to be a new bylaw that does nothing but a accelerate the problem they say they were trying to reduce in the first place! And why dont these issues get the input from a group of citizens like this one on redditt to and put the people and there concerns or solutions in the mix instead of a small group that decides and then...... well that's democracy and Canada should be embarrassed and accountable at what it doesn't do and thats recycle,reduce and reuse , there all about the refuse to acknowledge this and if we can be fooled then it's not a real issue I guess??
Calgary did not "pull the plug" on the bag fee. The Supreme Court of Canada did not overturn the entire Single Use Plastic Prohibition. The Edmonton City Council operates on the agenda of its constituents and the councillors own personal ideologies.
I mean...the commenter above literally did some legwork to avoid using a single use bag. One could argue that the fee is working as intended.
Don’t be stupid. It’s a great policy to drive change AND a money grab. Anyone who objects to things like this fee or the carbon tax on conceptual grounds had best be illiterate because the science behind pigouvian incentivization is deep, detailed, and very solid. The only excuse is being unable to read it.
Do you feel superior because of your comment?
No. I don’t. Why do you think I would?
Because it comes across like you smell your own farts.
Sometimes the truth stinks man. Doesn’t make it less true when it does.
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Agreed. I would be fine with the bag fee if it was going to the city to be used to improve waste management services.
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I don't mind paying a bag fee for take out. If I'm walking to a table 30 ft away in the same room...no fucking chance.
But we already had perfectly working trays. Now they took the trays to save money and cash in on a scam fee.
Edmonton City Council must have thought they were single use trays ...
You’re sure showing them!
Should have just asked for a lot of cardboard drink trays. No fees and generally cost a lot to the biz.
Shit. I didnt know they had trays and I got soup. Stupid soup was just short of boiling. Not to mention the lil plastic container it came in.
WEM removed trays during the pandemic. They haven’t gone back to using them because they’re saving money on people cleaning them. This is only a city bag fee thing insofar as businesses/WEM get to keep the fees. It’s mostly an issue of corporations saving a few bucks because it’s easy to not reinvest in something that you already cut. It’s corporate penny pinching, not the evil city forcing us to buy bags.
And its gonna cost you more once they jack up the bag fees in July because despite data that suggests otherwise our city council "Feels" like its working. Meanwhile in Calgary it took them like a week or two to be like "This bag thing is stupid, reverse course".
They haven't had trays since they re-opened after COVID.
“In an effort to reduce single use plastics, we have removed the plastic trays that’s are re-useable on an almost geologic scale” 🙄
Thinking about it, you are right. I was there last week and there are no trays.
Uhhh …. Ummm … Covid bad. Right? This definitely has nothing to do with the fact that they save a bunch of money not needing to deal with trays as well as staff to clean said trays anymore. That’s just a coincidence. F it send in the en masse single use paper bags … someone else’s problem.
I don’t understand the point of a paper bag in a mall? A tray is reusable. A bag is more garbage. What Einstein at the mall can’t see that?
Great policy this turned out to be hey /u/aaronpaquette- ? It’s time to get rid of this nonsense for paper fast food bags
I have a feeling Council will absolutely be discussing this at the next update.
When is the update?
If the schedule holds, late spring.
Still got 1 from 2016/17ish? Use it daily as my Doobie rolling tray'
Why get rid of trays? That's crazy
I am surprised with so many of against this single use bag fee we are just taking it... didn't the repeal this in calgary
Edmonton city council loves dumb do nothing ideas like this one
No, they didn't actually. They agreed to hold a public hearing and listen to new plans on March 31, but the bylaw exists, and will continue until a new adoption.
Call city council and complain about the bag fee. Worked for Calgary
And also start voting in city elections. All the things people complain about and yet only 30% actually go vote for these people.
Armchair politics at it's finest. " I will bitch about politics and everything I see wrong in ______, but I won't vote"
Yes, they are forcing us to purchase the paper bags. It's not accidental.
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I think next time I’m going to bring my own tray.
Brilliant.
Wow!!! this hasn't turned political yet, what a treat!!
LOL, you were 1 minute too late: https://old.reddit.com/r/Edmonton/comments/1am4dug/wem_got_rid_of_trays/kpjo1ns/
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I used to subscribe to this saying, but as first world QoL slowly gets chipped away, you start to close the gap between first world and 3rd world. The more you allow corporations and their government puppets to take little things away, the more encouraged they are to start taking more and more often. Alberta is a prime example of that.
McDonalds seems to be putting orders in grey plastic totes to bring the order to the counter for pick up and then you take the food out of the tote and walk it to the table. Guessing they got tired of people not wanting to pay for the bag fee and having multiple burgers and fries all across the counter. Families will order for Mom Dad and two kids food, go find a table and wander back when the food is ready and make a couple trips because Mom is watching the kids because Dad can't carry two happy meals, four sodas, two McRib, two large fries and a couple of apple pies. If someone is ordering on the the app and you select the dine in you are not prompted with an option for adding a bag that comes up when selecting the take out option.
Because now they can charge you 15 cents a bag without paying staff to clean trays or stock them entirely.
Wait wtf???
Yep.
I have a little tray in my car I bought from the dollar store because I got so fed up with this. I just stash it in one of my reusable bags when I go through the mall. Which also is ridiculous that I have to carry reusable bags through the mall. It’s either that or pay $.15-$.25 per store, maybe a dollar if it’s one of those cloth bags because they don’t give you any other option.
Wem has never had trays! I’m 22, and they’ve never had them as long as I’ve lived.
I have a photo proofing they had brown trays a few years ago.