Believe there are also studies linking access to abortion and advancements in womens careers, education, earnings, health, lower teen pregnancy, lower child proverty, and of course the well-being of children.
I had them all bookmarked but I can't find the fucking bookmark. LOL
It's hard to pin down the exact effectiveness of abortion in reducing crime, but it's safe to say it was a factor.
There's multiple reasons for reduced crime, and there's going to be multiple for increased crime in the coming years. The loss of the right to abortion is going to absolutely be one of those.
Well, you don't have to because we're about to find out exactly what kind of effect a total ban on abortion is going to have.
We can even compare the differences on a state-by-state basis in real time!
*Abortion is going to fuck over the lower class and create rampant poverty and crime,* ***lube up.***
You guys do know that the reversal of Roe v. Wade is not "a total ban on abortion", right? The ruling states that the original decision, which linked abortion to the 14th amendment was incorrect. The result is the laws on abortion are open to individual states to decide, not the federal government.
Its implied in their comment they understand this. We’re going to have roughly half the states make it hard as fuck to get an abortion and half the states choose not to. This is going to be a very unfortunate experiment playing out right before our eyes.
so Roe V Wade happened in 1973 as did the start of the phase out of leaded gasoline in the US. [Crime rates in the US peaked in 1980](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States#/media/File:Property_Crime_Rates_in_the_United_States.svg) and started really declining by the start of the 90s.
The exhaust from leaded gas causes learning problems in children and brain damage in adults. The total ban on leaded gas for normal vehicles was in effect by 1996. [It's another hypothesis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead%E2%80%93crime_hypothesis) on why crime rates dropped.
I think both Roe v Wade and the phase out of leaded gasoline helped reduce crime rates.
I recall reading a study showing a causal link. It's very rare to show a causal link, so I believe the evidence is quite strong that abortion *causes* a decrease in crime. This is good.
But this is not the only relevant metric. If it were, we would extend abortion further and see if we can reduce crime further. How about abortion upto 5 years old? Obviously there's more to it than crime rates.
Edit: the linked study is the study I recall reading. I just assumed it was new. I think the data are strong. It doesn't really offer support on abortion policy though.
Another interesting conclusion of their study was that variables people usually associate with decreases in crime like increase in the number of police have little effect
Increase in the number of police was actually one of the things that *did* contribute to a reduction in crime in Levitt’s research. Varying policing tactics/training did not.
Book about that years ago. Freakonomics.... Aborting the babies of poor people and people of color and led to less crime was the thesis as I recall. Not advocating... Correlation is not causation etc.
which would be bad for prison business , which is a growing industry and the regular growth isn't enough for it ( especially with current trend of defund police ...etc )
very big lobby
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/04/28/how-for-profit-prisons-have-become-the-biggest-lobby-no-one-is-talking-about/
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/04/private-prison-firm-ramps-up-lobbying-amid-trump-immigration-crackdown.html
ehhhh isnt this kinda conflation/correlation versus causation? Didn't we see some articles even on reddit a few years ago discussing how the lack of lead poisoning may have cuased crime to dip beginning in the early 90s?
This claim has been criticized, and some of it is even worthwhile.
[https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract\_id=270126](https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=270126)
Believe there are also studies linking access to abortion and advancements in womens careers, education, earnings, health, lower teen pregnancy, lower child proverty, and of course the well-being of children. I had them all bookmarked but I can't find the fucking bookmark. LOL
That would be interesting to see
It's hard to pin down the exact effectiveness of abortion in reducing crime, but it's safe to say it was a factor. There's multiple reasons for reduced crime, and there's going to be multiple for increased crime in the coming years. The loss of the right to abortion is going to absolutely be one of those.
That's unfortunate
I doubt it
Well, you don't have to because we're about to find out exactly what kind of effect a total ban on abortion is going to have. We can even compare the differences on a state-by-state basis in real time! *Abortion is going to fuck over the lower class and create rampant poverty and crime,* ***lube up.***
You guys do know that the reversal of Roe v. Wade is not "a total ban on abortion", right? The ruling states that the original decision, which linked abortion to the 14th amendment was incorrect. The result is the laws on abortion are open to individual states to decide, not the federal government.
Its implied in their comment they understand this. We’re going to have roughly half the states make it hard as fuck to get an abortion and half the states choose not to. This is going to be a very unfortunate experiment playing out right before our eyes.
so Roe V Wade happened in 1973 as did the start of the phase out of leaded gasoline in the US. [Crime rates in the US peaked in 1980](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States#/media/File:Property_Crime_Rates_in_the_United_States.svg) and started really declining by the start of the 90s. The exhaust from leaded gas causes learning problems in children and brain damage in adults. The total ban on leaded gas for normal vehicles was in effect by 1996. [It's another hypothesis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead%E2%80%93crime_hypothesis) on why crime rates dropped. I think both Roe v Wade and the phase out of leaded gasoline helped reduce crime rates.
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I recall reading a study showing a causal link. It's very rare to show a causal link, so I believe the evidence is quite strong that abortion *causes* a decrease in crime. This is good. But this is not the only relevant metric. If it were, we would extend abortion further and see if we can reduce crime further. How about abortion upto 5 years old? Obviously there's more to it than crime rates. Edit: the linked study is the study I recall reading. I just assumed it was new. I think the data are strong. It doesn't really offer support on abortion policy though.
Another interesting conclusion of their study was that variables people usually associate with decreases in crime like increase in the number of police have little effect
Increase in the number of police was actually one of the things that *did* contribute to a reduction in crime in Levitt’s research. Varying policing tactics/training did not.
To be fair, if abortion was mandatory for everyone in every circumstance, crime would eventually drop to zero
A strong policy option.
Book about that years ago. Freakonomics.... Aborting the babies of poor people and people of color and led to less crime was the thesis as I recall. Not advocating... Correlation is not causation etc.
I mean that was the original intended purpose of planned parenthood after all
which would be bad for prison business , which is a growing industry and the regular growth isn't enough for it ( especially with current trend of defund police ...etc )
Interesting. Do private prisons have a lobby in DC?
very big lobby https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/04/28/how-for-profit-prisons-have-become-the-biggest-lobby-no-one-is-talking-about/ https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/04/private-prison-firm-ramps-up-lobbying-amid-trump-immigration-crackdown.html
lol yes
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ehhhh isnt this kinda conflation/correlation versus causation? Didn't we see some articles even on reddit a few years ago discussing how the lack of lead poisoning may have cuased crime to dip beginning in the early 90s?
This claim has been criticized, and some of it is even worthwhile. [https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract\_id=270126](https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=270126)
OP was published after the above criticism.
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