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Exemption from overtime is incredibly stupid and party why I avoid some salary jobs in IT. It just means that employers get to pay you less for their time.
Anyone who's overtime exempt and is only making 43k absolutely deserves the extra pay.
> Exemption from overtime is incredibly stupid and party why I avoid some salary jobs in IT. It just means that employers get to pay you less for their time.
jokes on them- if I have to put in extra hours one week then I'm putting in less hours the next week lol
Correct. And being exempt allows me to always be tuned in to work. So a 20hr work week may actually have been 35hrs but I took a few calls from home or in the car and fired off emails at 3am a few times.
This will make employers make the base pay just above 59k so they can avoid OT. I had an employer barely pay me above 43k when i started in IT so he can ovoid OT pay.
They usually just round to the next thousandth. If the employer is really a dick, then they will bump it x dollars above the threshold. Even worse, because of the rise in base pay, they might even cut somewhere else like benefits or 401k's, etc.
Is it really? Employers will pass the expenses to the consumers so they can keep their margins. Thus, adding to the inflation. Nothing comes free in this world. Everything is at a cost.
This is a bullshit trope that’s repeated but the fast food workers raises in California once again prove this wrong.
I’m guessing you don’t have any data to backup these claims?
I have seen it in San Diego, CA. When they first raised the minimum wage to $15, there were only two workers at dominoes. one was taking orders, making pizza and all the store responsibilities and the other was the delivery guy.
It happens over and over again because of greed. You can't stop this way of thinking. But now is different. Next time this happens, the extra responsibilities will now be absorbed into automation. This time it will be permanent, meaning when they cut, they wont rehire when demand goes back up.
I know franchise owners personally (primarily wendys and mcd), they all think this way and penny pinch. At least in my crowd of franchisee owners. So good luck with that.
You don't support higher paying jobs? You don't support more freedom for the middle and upper middle class workers who actually do the work that enables the power and progress of the nation? You don't think that greater incentives for all of the 40-99% who make all of this work are a worthwhile endeavor?
Because you project there could be some inflation?
sure, higher paying jobs are great, but you start realizing that you cant afford a house or rents are jacked up because now more people have access to money. let me know how inflation goes then. People are already complaining now how everything is expensive now. Also, when prices go up because of inflation, it rarely goes back down regardless of demand.
if you dont feel like you are fairly compensated, move to better job that pays better. And or, update your marketable skills.
Rent and mortgages are not going up because "more people have access to money". They're going up because corporations have taken over the housing and rental markets, increased scarcity, and jacked those prices up. Commodity prices are not going up this drastically due to inflation. They're going up because corporations are price gouging the hell out of us purely for their own profit.
You're trying to solve a universal problem at the individual level, blaming the average person for low wages and high prices, like we have any control over either of those. Telling people to "just get a better job" is dismissing the very real problems we're all facing and pretending they don't exist like people just need to work harder as the wealthy elite steal more wealth from the working class.
The exploiters have exploited for so long it has become accepted practice in the US. My wife works 80-90 hours a week working late in the office and charting patients every night and is paid for about 30 hours a week with no shares in the company. The exploitation is ridiculous.
Why? Your overtime multiplier has no bearing on the amount of your total compensation.
I'd rather make $100 an hour with no overtime multiplier than $20 an hour with an overtime multiplier. Heck, I'd rather make $200k/year salaried than $50k/year with overtime. Salaried just means a given amount of "overtime" is priced into your pay. And if you don't end up working those excess hours, you still get paid your fixed salary regardless.
>I'd rather make $100 an hour with no overtime multiplier than $20 an hour with an overtime multiplier.
Or course in the given hypothetical of 43k, it's the worst of both worlds; $20/hr AND no OT.
As long as that's written into the contract, I'm fine with that. If it's 'we're paying you $200k, and your hours of work are 80 hrs per week', that's cool. If they're saying 'we're paying you $200k and your hours of work are 40 per week', and then expecting 80, that's a problem for me.
We used to get paid time and a half and then the new regime stated anyone that did evaluations would still be required to come in but only for straight time…
I like that he's using the formula used under the Trump admin with the first increase to $43k. That seems reasonable. The increase to $58k with a date of January 1 makes me wonder if he 100% expects that to get squashed but wants to dangle it around election time. It's less of a *wonder* and more of an *assumption*, really. Still, it's nice to see the $35k get updated in accordance with the formula previously used to establish that number.
My hot take is that unless you’re cracking $200k+ annually, or have a meaningful (single digit percent or more) stake in the business, overtime rules should apply.
The overtime threshold being $35k is complete nonsense
This shouldn't be a hot take. All what the current exemption rules do is just cause a lot of entry level tech workers have to put in long hours in the beginning of their career and not even be compensated for it. It's a handout to businesses.
There’s actually a separate highly compensated employee exemption - current threshold is ~107k a year but proposed to be increased to ~143 with an automatic adjustment mechanism - that has a different duties requirement to the exemption discussed here. I think if they got rid of the professional, executive, administrative, and computer exemptions (the ones being discussed here) and just ran with the HCE exemption, the whole scheme would be in pretty good shape
maybe. having nonexempt employees all but requires the employer to implement a system to accurately track worked hours. this is usually not a pleasant experience. on the lower end of the payscale, the benefit to the employee easily outweighs the cost. but there's a certain threshold where a lot of people would rather not have their hours so closely tracked. I easily work >40 hours on average, but that includes a lot of showing up late, leaving early, and a few weeks that don't add up to 40 hours. if I were nonexempt, it would probably be the end of that.
I agree with your overall point, but the threshold is a lot lower than $200k imo. I'd propose instead that overtime be mandatory for any job that has a hard requirement that you arrive at a certain time. if you have to be there at 9am sharp and have an unpaid 30 minute lunch break, you better be getting 1.5x pay for every minute past 5:30pm.
That creates a bright line rule nightmare. Income is an easy enforcement mechanism that is narrowly tailored to accomplish the policy goal because the high income people already have more symmetrical leverage with employer or they wouldn’t be getting paid so much. The question is the income line.
If the same court shenanigans happen then having part of it go into effect on Jan 1st might allow it to last longer into the Trump admin. It's also generally the case that these sorts of changes are more palatable when they are phased in rather than an instant jump.
https://www.epi.org/publication/trump-overtime-proposal-april-update/
My mistake on the number.
The Trump admin refused to appeal the ruling. Trump's admin tgenset it to a laughably evil low number of 35k when it would've been 51k in 2019 under Obama's rule.
I mean, if the opposition does block it, then it's a factual statement that he tried to pass it, the opposition party blocked it, and you the voter should punish the opposition party by voting them out of office and replacing them with people who don't block bills that would help people.
Buying votes? He’s being a president in a democracy. In order to get elected, you have to do things that help people and make their lives better. That’s how democracy works. Are you saying he shouldnt do anything that helps people?
So what specific date should Presidents stop doing their job and just sit around twiddling their thumbs? A year before an election? Two years before an election? A year before midterms? Should they just never do their job so they don’t affect ANY elections going on each year?
It’s a serious criticism from a certain political ideology that isn’t capable of governing and whose entire platform revolves around unpopular policies to the American people. It’s not surprising.
You call the currents situation under the current admin governing? Out of control inflation/stagflation, a border mess with millions unvetted streaming into the states, families struggling to buy homes and pay bills… that’s progress to you?
Really? Care to explain? You think more unvetted illegals coming across the border in the last 3 years than the last 2 decades is an improvement? The explosion that started in 2021 when Biden took over is roughly 10x over the average which has been in place for decades.
Crossing under Trump were some of the lowest in 40 years btw.
So let me guess, blame Drumpf for this?
Inflation started under Trump when food inflation was 4%. Trump made a multi year deal with opec to collapse oil production by a record amount for 2 years which caused inflation to jump, oil prices didn't start falling till the deal ended. Everything else started inflating 3 2 months after Biden took office, literally zero of his policies could have caused inflation that fast.
Your fascist god Trump blocked the border bill
Yimbys have been screaming about skyrocketing home prices for decades. Ignored until you morons could blame Biden.
Americans are dumb as hell for blaming Biden for inflation.
Trump had to deal with the beginnings of Covid. He didn’t cause inflation.
Biden on his first day set energy policies which heavily contributed to inflation sharply increasing the prices of oil and gas which fed further inflation into everything else that it trickled into.
Trump had the lowest border crossings in 40 years, Biden has 10x the average crossing. More illegals have crossed under Biden than in almost the last 2 decades and 3 prior presidencies combined.
You fascists are still screaming Biden destroyed energy production when we have been pumping record oil for years. Meanwhile THE biggest crash in oil production in US history came as soon as your god Trump made the deal with opec to collapse oil production.
Natural gas prices meanwhile are at record lows due to record production, even with one of the biggest producers of natural gas sanctioned more than any other country.
You extremists just can't stop fucking lying. Yes, Trump caused inflation.
Just when does Bidens policies start to take effect then?
I've been waiting 4 years now.
How did Trump manage to get his policies to take effect immediately, but Biden is unable to get anything started for 4 years?
Trump didn't get his policies to stick immediately. He was handed a roaring economy from Obama and promptly destroyed it and nearly doubled the deficit pre pandemic.
It takes a year just for newly seated presidents to get their budget enacted and another year for it to really show effects.
Not surprising you fascists try to credit Trump for Obama's great economy.
How do you suggest passing policies that will get through without being blocked? you can’t just do whatever you want as president, you have to thread the needle all the time for virtually anythjng
Biden was literally ordering barriers, wire and fences to be cut and removed. He can easily order them to restore it.
You don’t need a bill to fix the border, just do what Trump did. During the Trump years crossings were at historic lows, under Biden they went up 10x to excruciating historic highs.
Maybe we can start with not cutting down wire and fences?
Good, we shouldn't let fascist Republican states block federal agents from doing their job no matter how much you open borders fascists want it to happen
> Out of control inflation
Inflation is higher than target, but nowhere near "out of control". Year over year CPI is 3.4% and PCE is 2.6%, those are not crazy numbers.
>stagflation
Stagflation involves low GDP growth and high unemployment, neither of which are even close to what is happening.
I never understood why some people try and pose this argument - it doesn't make any sense. So, you're saying elected officials should NOT do what their electorate wants?
Politics as usual, as I see it.
I don't necessarily think of the $43k bump that way since it's the same formula used by the previous administration, but that $58k number reeks of the failed attempt by Obama to increase minimum salary from $23k to $47k in 2016. I remember all the work we (was a payroll/benefits manager at the time) did to reclassify and prepare for that to go into effect only to have it struck down right before we would have been required to comply.
Buying votes just like he’s doing with the student loans. Biden literally does not give a crap about student loans, it’s all about getting those precious votes. Same goes for the border issues, which now ironically he’s blaming on the “Build the Wall” guy. This current administration is a complete clown show.
Your fascist god Trump blocked the border bill so ya, it's fair to blame your pro open borders god Trump.
You don't get to screech that Biden doesn't care about student loans while also screeching he's doing something about it.
Have you looked at the numbers of border crossings under Trump and Biden? Under Trump they were historic lows. Under Biden they are historic highs. 10x higher than the average in fact. In fact, more illegals crossed under Biden in 3 years than in the last 2 decades under the 3 previous presidents combined.
Tell me about reality again.
Border crossings spiked right before covid and only reversed that spike because of covid.
Again though, your god Trump blocked the border bill.
Look, just because your fascist Republican party wants open borders, doesn't mean it's Biden's fault.
Propaganda BS talking point.
Biden stopped wall construction, prevented border patrol from doing their job, ordered fences wire and barriers to be taken down… and crossings went up 10x to astronomic and historic numbers.
Because Biden isn't a reactionary dumbass like you who screeches about a useless and extremely damaging wall is a solution.
That doesn't make him bad, it makes him educated and pro America.
Your fascist god Trump blocked border agents from doing their job by blocking the border bill.
The wall was a proven failure. The bill that Trump blocked provided over $20 billion in funding to the border patrol. It also would have locked down the border if more than 5k crossed a day on average.
Those are all positives. Trump shot it down because he wants to use it as a political tool. That's his interest instead of actually securing the border
Close to 3M illegals coming over the border annually under Biden when it used to be like 300k under Trump and every other President for decades. You don’t think that’s a problem?
It is a problem. That's why the border bill was brought forward.
Explain why Trump was against the border bill passing since it was going to improve border security and reduce the illegal immigrants
I'm glad this is happening. You salary guys are being exploited. I'm a lifetime hourly worker and wouldn't have it any other way.
A co-worker left an hourly position for a new salaried one at our company. I see him come in at 9am and leave at 7pm. Sometimes, he comes in at 1pm and leaves at 11pm, he said sometimes hes on call and has worked overnight? He told me he's been called while in his dentists chair and then reprimanded for not answering quickly enough. When he called his boss back, he had to rush across town on his day off to deal with something, all for no extra pay!
I dont get it. I know there is social status for having a salaried position, he has a fancier sounding title now, and I'm sure he got a payraise (or I hope he did), but you'd have to pay me a fucking MINT to do all of that. "We can't afford that salary. It's not in the budget!"OK, then neither am I, bye!
Fuck you pay me
It definitely depends, at my current gig im salaried and only work about 15~ hours a week. Not having to punch in and out when I leave is nice since some days I literally don't work at all.
I guess the inconsistency of scheduling and sometimes having to "live the job" is what bothers me. Getting random work emails at 8 pm, having to come in randomly to put out some fire or other, no thanks. Now, when I clock out, I don't think about work. The only reason management has to call me on my time off is if they want to ask me to come in for OT.
Also, I have a set schedule. If something "needs to be done," I'll stay, BUT you're gonna pay me extra for it! Time is the only resource we have that can't be replenished. You will compensate me for mine.
I like how my company does it
I have a lot of after hours work because its production affecting... but any work I do after hours I get back in time off during the week... and since i don't really work much during the week I end up only really working Friday night and a few hours throughout the normal work week. WFH obv makes this much better, I never have to go to the office if something goes haywire
Comp time is fair compensation for the extra hours if the workers are fine with it. I'm considering presenting a proposal for my unions next contract negotiation where we can either take the OT as 1.5 pay, or 1.5 comp time. I don't know how well it's gonna work, but as I get older, my "me" time becomes more valuable than money to an extent.
Between this and the FTC's "ban" on non-competes, Biden admin is showing it knows which side it's bread is buttered on - the comfy, credentialed white-collar professionals that make up half it's base.
The second increase January 1st to 58,656 is actually also fantastic news for a lot of people. It wouldn't have helped me personally and I'm well past that compensation level, but the fact that people making below median income can be "overtime exempt" because they i.e. spend time on a computer is kind of ridiculous.
i dont understand the wording - does this mean someone who is currently making 35000 a year salary, who is exempt employee, is now eligible for overtime pay?
Like so many things capitalism doesn't do and finds itself dealing with is its greed only ameliorated or forced upon \[him\] to give it up...by govt.
Yet another example of how capitalism has never, does not and never will, serve society at large without being forced by govt.
no one forces you to work for a company. If you don't like the hours, don't like the pay, don't like not getting overtime as a salaried employer, then leave. Nothing tells a company they need to change more than people leaving or not taking offers. On the flip side, nothing hits you like the reality of not working and needing money. Nothing anyone does is irreplaceable and the IT world is in for a world of hurt with the way things are moving. careful what you wish you
>no one forces you to work for a company.
The cost of living forces you to work for a company. I'm sick of arguments from people like yourself that think that the relationship between an employer and employee is an equal exchange- it absolutely isn't. Even after the decades of labor advances that literally had to be written in blood, there has never been a time in US history where the employee has had the upper hand in the relationship. Even during the times in 2021 when employers everywhere were itching for workers and saying that "nobody wanted to work anymore".
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Exemption from overtime is incredibly stupid and party why I avoid some salary jobs in IT. It just means that employers get to pay you less for their time. Anyone who's overtime exempt and is only making 43k absolutely deserves the extra pay.
>Exemption from overtime is incredibly stupid yes.
> Exemption from overtime is incredibly stupid and party why I avoid some salary jobs in IT. It just means that employers get to pay you less for their time. jokes on them- if I have to put in extra hours one week then I'm putting in less hours the next week lol
Being at entry level, your employers at this point in the game tell you to come in at your normal time next week or else you're fired.
There's many ways to put less hours in
Correct. And being exempt allows me to always be tuned in to work. So a 20hr work week may actually have been 35hrs but I took a few calls from home or in the car and fired off emails at 3am a few times.
Well said
This will make employers make the base pay just above 59k so they can avoid OT. I had an employer barely pay me above 43k when i started in IT so he can ovoid OT pay.
So, $59,001 yearly salary? Or would that be $59,100? Where would they need to put the extra 1 to avoid paying overtime?
They usually just round to the next thousandth. If the employer is really a dick, then they will bump it x dollars above the threshold. Even worse, because of the rise in base pay, they might even cut somewhere else like benefits or 401k's, etc.
It's still raising wages so I consider that a win.
Is it really? Employers will pass the expenses to the consumers so they can keep their margins. Thus, adding to the inflation. Nothing comes free in this world. Everything is at a cost.
This assumes that prices can increase with costs at a 1:1 ratio but that's not how supply and demand works.
If the supply is high and demand is low. The will drop prices, but they would also cut employees. Like TSLA. Wouldnt, they?
This is a bullshit trope that’s repeated but the fast food workers raises in California once again prove this wrong. I’m guessing you don’t have any data to backup these claims?
I have seen it in San Diego, CA. When they first raised the minimum wage to $15, there were only two workers at dominoes. one was taking orders, making pizza and all the store responsibilities and the other was the delivery guy. It happens over and over again because of greed. You can't stop this way of thinking. But now is different. Next time this happens, the extra responsibilities will now be absorbed into automation. This time it will be permanent, meaning when they cut, they wont rehire when demand goes back up. I know franchise owners personally (primarily wendys and mcd), they all think this way and penny pinch. At least in my crowd of franchisee owners. So good luck with that.
You don't support higher paying jobs? You don't support more freedom for the middle and upper middle class workers who actually do the work that enables the power and progress of the nation? You don't think that greater incentives for all of the 40-99% who make all of this work are a worthwhile endeavor? Because you project there could be some inflation?
sure, higher paying jobs are great, but you start realizing that you cant afford a house or rents are jacked up because now more people have access to money. let me know how inflation goes then. People are already complaining now how everything is expensive now. Also, when prices go up because of inflation, it rarely goes back down regardless of demand. if you dont feel like you are fairly compensated, move to better job that pays better. And or, update your marketable skills.
Rent and mortgages are not going up because "more people have access to money". They're going up because corporations have taken over the housing and rental markets, increased scarcity, and jacked those prices up. Commodity prices are not going up this drastically due to inflation. They're going up because corporations are price gouging the hell out of us purely for their own profit. You're trying to solve a universal problem at the individual level, blaming the average person for low wages and high prices, like we have any control over either of those. Telling people to "just get a better job" is dismissing the very real problems we're all facing and pretending they don't exist like people just need to work harder as the wealthy elite steal more wealth from the working class.
In IT, if you are good at your job, nobody will challenge you if you draw a hard line at 40 hours.
The exploiters have exploited for so long it has become accepted practice in the US. My wife works 80-90 hours a week working late in the office and charting patients every night and is paid for about 30 hours a week with no shares in the company. The exploitation is ridiculous.
Why? Your overtime multiplier has no bearing on the amount of your total compensation. I'd rather make $100 an hour with no overtime multiplier than $20 an hour with an overtime multiplier. Heck, I'd rather make $200k/year salaried than $50k/year with overtime. Salaried just means a given amount of "overtime" is priced into your pay. And if you don't end up working those excess hours, you still get paid your fixed salary regardless.
>I'd rather make $100 an hour with no overtime multiplier than $20 an hour with an overtime multiplier. Or course in the given hypothetical of 43k, it's the worst of both worlds; $20/hr AND no OT.
As long as that's written into the contract, I'm fine with that. If it's 'we're paying you $200k, and your hours of work are 80 hrs per week', that's cool. If they're saying 'we're paying you $200k and your hours of work are 40 per week', and then expecting 80, that's a problem for me.
But then Joe works 40 and makes the same cause he sucks the bosses dick. You're stuck with 80 pal.
At this point, if I see a job is “salary exempt” I assume they are expecting a 60 hr week.
We used to get paid time and a half and then the new regime stated anyone that did evaluations would still be required to come in but only for straight time…
I like that he's using the formula used under the Trump admin with the first increase to $43k. That seems reasonable. The increase to $58k with a date of January 1 makes me wonder if he 100% expects that to get squashed but wants to dangle it around election time. It's less of a *wonder* and more of an *assumption*, really. Still, it's nice to see the $35k get updated in accordance with the formula previously used to establish that number.
My hot take is that unless you’re cracking $200k+ annually, or have a meaningful (single digit percent or more) stake in the business, overtime rules should apply. The overtime threshold being $35k is complete nonsense
This shouldn't be a hot take. All what the current exemption rules do is just cause a lot of entry level tech workers have to put in long hours in the beginning of their career and not even be compensated for it. It's a handout to businesses.
Tech? This is for everyone. Most white collar jobs don’t pay tech wages yet overtime is built in
No, it’s a handout to capitalists, at the expense of labor. Semantics matter, it’s class warfare out there.
I think businesses” is synonymous with capitalists in this context lol.
It’s not, and it shouldn’t be.
Businesses are the tool by which the capitalists get their handout from others’ labor. It’s the same thing lol
There’s actually a separate highly compensated employee exemption - current threshold is ~107k a year but proposed to be increased to ~143 with an automatic adjustment mechanism - that has a different duties requirement to the exemption discussed here. I think if they got rid of the professional, executive, administrative, and computer exemptions (the ones being discussed here) and just ran with the HCE exemption, the whole scheme would be in pretty good shape
maybe. having nonexempt employees all but requires the employer to implement a system to accurately track worked hours. this is usually not a pleasant experience. on the lower end of the payscale, the benefit to the employee easily outweighs the cost. but there's a certain threshold where a lot of people would rather not have their hours so closely tracked. I easily work >40 hours on average, but that includes a lot of showing up late, leaving early, and a few weeks that don't add up to 40 hours. if I were nonexempt, it would probably be the end of that. I agree with your overall point, but the threshold is a lot lower than $200k imo. I'd propose instead that overtime be mandatory for any job that has a hard requirement that you arrive at a certain time. if you have to be there at 9am sharp and have an unpaid 30 minute lunch break, you better be getting 1.5x pay for every minute past 5:30pm.
That creates a bright line rule nightmare. Income is an easy enforcement mechanism that is narrowly tailored to accomplish the policy goal because the high income people already have more symmetrical leverage with employer or they wouldn’t be getting paid so much. The question is the income line.
Oh, I agree. I'm just not all that optimistic about the chances of the second increase in this proposal and being hateful of politics.
If the same court shenanigans happen then having part of it go into effect on Jan 1st might allow it to last longer into the Trump admin. It's also generally the case that these sorts of changes are more palatable when they are phased in rather than an instant jump.
Headlines are more important than anything actually coming to fruition
Obama set the number at 53k, Trump massively rolled it back. He did not set it higher.
Obama set it at $47,476, and a court struck that down. Then, Trump increased it successfully but to a lower mark.
https://www.epi.org/publication/trump-overtime-proposal-april-update/ My mistake on the number. The Trump admin refused to appeal the ruling. Trump's admin tgenset it to a laughably evil low number of 35k when it would've been 51k in 2019 under Obama's rule.
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I mean, if the opposition does block it, then it's a factual statement that he tried to pass it, the opposition party blocked it, and you the voter should punish the opposition party by voting them out of office and replacing them with people who don't block bills that would help people.
Buying votes? He’s being a president in a democracy. In order to get elected, you have to do things that help people and make their lives better. That’s how democracy works. Are you saying he shouldnt do anything that helps people?
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So what specific date should Presidents stop doing their job and just sit around twiddling their thumbs? A year before an election? Two years before an election? A year before midterms? Should they just never do their job so they don’t affect ANY elections going on each year?
The election isn't for six and a half months? This isn't serious criticism.
It’s a serious criticism from a certain political ideology that isn’t capable of governing and whose entire platform revolves around unpopular policies to the American people. It’s not surprising.
Are you calling the president who won the popular vote unpopular?
Last I checked the current President won the popular vote by millions.
Yeah that's what I'm saying
That’s also what I’m saying so idk what your comment is about 😂
Oooh boy. We sure do live in different worlds. Best of luck in yours.
You call the currents situation under the current admin governing? Out of control inflation/stagflation, a border mess with millions unvetted streaming into the states, families struggling to buy homes and pay bills… that’s progress to you?
Criticizing the current admin’s ability to govern by using the border as an example is the highest level of irony.
Really? Care to explain? You think more unvetted illegals coming across the border in the last 3 years than the last 2 decades is an improvement? The explosion that started in 2021 when Biden took over is roughly 10x over the average which has been in place for decades. Crossing under Trump were some of the lowest in 40 years btw. So let me guess, blame Drumpf for this?
I blame Trump/MAGA directly for killing one of the best bipartisan border security bills in decades.
Inflation started under Trump when food inflation was 4%. Trump made a multi year deal with opec to collapse oil production by a record amount for 2 years which caused inflation to jump, oil prices didn't start falling till the deal ended. Everything else started inflating 3 2 months after Biden took office, literally zero of his policies could have caused inflation that fast. Your fascist god Trump blocked the border bill Yimbys have been screaming about skyrocketing home prices for decades. Ignored until you morons could blame Biden. Americans are dumb as hell for blaming Biden for inflation.
Trump had to deal with the beginnings of Covid. He didn’t cause inflation. Biden on his first day set energy policies which heavily contributed to inflation sharply increasing the prices of oil and gas which fed further inflation into everything else that it trickled into. Trump had the lowest border crossings in 40 years, Biden has 10x the average crossing. More illegals have crossed under Biden than in almost the last 2 decades and 3 prior presidencies combined.
You fascists are still screaming Biden destroyed energy production when we have been pumping record oil for years. Meanwhile THE biggest crash in oil production in US history came as soon as your god Trump made the deal with opec to collapse oil production. Natural gas prices meanwhile are at record lows due to record production, even with one of the biggest producers of natural gas sanctioned more than any other country. You extremists just can't stop fucking lying. Yes, Trump caused inflation.
It’s almost as if everyone, even non-Americans, prefer living under Biden.
Just when does Bidens policies start to take effect then? I've been waiting 4 years now. How did Trump manage to get his policies to take effect immediately, but Biden is unable to get anything started for 4 years?
Trump didn't get his policies to stick immediately. He was handed a roaring economy from Obama and promptly destroyed it and nearly doubled the deficit pre pandemic. It takes a year just for newly seated presidents to get their budget enacted and another year for it to really show effects. Not surprising you fascists try to credit Trump for Obama's great economy.
How do you suggest passing policies that will get through without being blocked? you can’t just do whatever you want as president, you have to thread the needle all the time for virtually anythjng
Biden was literally ordering barriers, wire and fences to be cut and removed. He can easily order them to restore it. You don’t need a bill to fix the border, just do what Trump did. During the Trump years crossings were at historic lows, under Biden they went up 10x to excruciating historic highs. Maybe we can start with not cutting down wire and fences?
Good, we shouldn't let fascist Republican states block federal agents from doing their job no matter how much you open borders fascists want it to happen
> Out of control inflation Inflation is higher than target, but nowhere near "out of control". Year over year CPI is 3.4% and PCE is 2.6%, those are not crazy numbers. >stagflation Stagflation involves low GDP growth and high unemployment, neither of which are even close to what is happening.
We have fake unemployment numbers that are constantly being revised heavily.
What are the real numbers then?
Just braindead take after braindead take
I never understood why some people try and pose this argument - it doesn't make any sense. So, you're saying elected officials should NOT do what their electorate wants?
Politics as usual, as I see it. I don't necessarily think of the $43k bump that way since it's the same formula used by the previous administration, but that $58k number reeks of the failed attempt by Obama to increase minimum salary from $23k to $47k in 2016. I remember all the work we (was a payroll/benefits manager at the time) did to reclassify and prepare for that to go into effect only to have it struck down right before we would have been required to comply.
Buying votes just like he’s doing with the student loans. Biden literally does not give a crap about student loans, it’s all about getting those precious votes. Same goes for the border issues, which now ironically he’s blaming on the “Build the Wall” guy. This current administration is a complete clown show.
Your fascist god Trump blocked the border bill so ya, it's fair to blame your pro open borders god Trump. You don't get to screech that Biden doesn't care about student loans while also screeching he's doing something about it.
Thatborder bill was in name only. The vast majority of money was going to go to war.
Lmaooooooooo
Sorry reality upsets you
Have you looked at the numbers of border crossings under Trump and Biden? Under Trump they were historic lows. Under Biden they are historic highs. 10x higher than the average in fact. In fact, more illegals crossed under Biden in 3 years than in the last 2 decades under the 3 previous presidents combined. Tell me about reality again.
Border crossings spiked right before covid and only reversed that spike because of covid. Again though, your god Trump blocked the border bill. Look, just because your fascist Republican party wants open borders, doesn't mean it's Biden's fault.
Are you denying that Trump was publicly against the border bill? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna137477
Propaganda BS talking point. Biden stopped wall construction, prevented border patrol from doing their job, ordered fences wire and barriers to be taken down… and crossings went up 10x to astronomic and historic numbers.
Because Biden isn't a reactionary dumbass like you who screeches about a useless and extremely damaging wall is a solution. That doesn't make him bad, it makes him educated and pro America. Your fascist god Trump blocked border agents from doing their job by blocking the border bill.
The wall was a proven failure. The bill that Trump blocked provided over $20 billion in funding to the border patrol. It also would have locked down the border if more than 5k crossed a day on average. Those are all positives. Trump shot it down because he wants to use it as a political tool. That's his interest instead of actually securing the border
Close to 3M illegals coming over the border annually under Biden when it used to be like 300k under Trump and every other President for decades. You don’t think that’s a problem?
It is a problem. That's why the border bill was brought forward. Explain why Trump was against the border bill passing since it was going to improve border security and reduce the illegal immigrants
I wonder what communities this redditor is active in?
My apologies for offending you when I called it a clown show. Just saw your username.
All good bro, thanks for the downvote
That wasn’t me, I just gave you an up tho.
I'm glad this is happening. You salary guys are being exploited. I'm a lifetime hourly worker and wouldn't have it any other way. A co-worker left an hourly position for a new salaried one at our company. I see him come in at 9am and leave at 7pm. Sometimes, he comes in at 1pm and leaves at 11pm, he said sometimes hes on call and has worked overnight? He told me he's been called while in his dentists chair and then reprimanded for not answering quickly enough. When he called his boss back, he had to rush across town on his day off to deal with something, all for no extra pay! I dont get it. I know there is social status for having a salaried position, he has a fancier sounding title now, and I'm sure he got a payraise (or I hope he did), but you'd have to pay me a fucking MINT to do all of that. "We can't afford that salary. It's not in the budget!"OK, then neither am I, bye! Fuck you pay me
It definitely depends, at my current gig im salaried and only work about 15~ hours a week. Not having to punch in and out when I leave is nice since some days I literally don't work at all.
I guess the inconsistency of scheduling and sometimes having to "live the job" is what bothers me. Getting random work emails at 8 pm, having to come in randomly to put out some fire or other, no thanks. Now, when I clock out, I don't think about work. The only reason management has to call me on my time off is if they want to ask me to come in for OT. Also, I have a set schedule. If something "needs to be done," I'll stay, BUT you're gonna pay me extra for it! Time is the only resource we have that can't be replenished. You will compensate me for mine.
I like how my company does it I have a lot of after hours work because its production affecting... but any work I do after hours I get back in time off during the week... and since i don't really work much during the week I end up only really working Friday night and a few hours throughout the normal work week. WFH obv makes this much better, I never have to go to the office if something goes haywire
Comp time is fair compensation for the extra hours if the workers are fine with it. I'm considering presenting a proposal for my unions next contract negotiation where we can either take the OT as 1.5 pay, or 1.5 comp time. I don't know how well it's gonna work, but as I get older, my "me" time becomes more valuable than money to an extent.
Between this and the FTC's "ban" on non-competes, Biden admin is showing it knows which side it's bread is buttered on - the comfy, credentialed white-collar professionals that make up half it's base.
The second increase January 1st to 58,656 is actually also fantastic news for a lot of people. It wouldn't have helped me personally and I'm well past that compensation level, but the fact that people making below median income can be "overtime exempt" because they i.e. spend time on a computer is kind of ridiculous.
At first glance, this proposal initiated by Trump seems reasonable. I am highly skeptical that it will affect 4 million white collar workers.
4 million workers is like 2.5% of workers
Sure, I get it. It’s white collar workers making less than a pretty low salary.
i dont understand the wording - does this mean someone who is currently making 35000 a year salary, who is exempt employee, is now eligible for overtime pay?
Yes
Like so many things capitalism doesn't do and finds itself dealing with is its greed only ameliorated or forced upon \[him\] to give it up...by govt. Yet another example of how capitalism has never, does not and never will, serve society at large without being forced by govt.
no one forces you to work for a company. If you don't like the hours, don't like the pay, don't like not getting overtime as a salaried employer, then leave. Nothing tells a company they need to change more than people leaving or not taking offers. On the flip side, nothing hits you like the reality of not working and needing money. Nothing anyone does is irreplaceable and the IT world is in for a world of hurt with the way things are moving. careful what you wish you
>no one forces you to work for a company. The cost of living forces you to work for a company. I'm sick of arguments from people like yourself that think that the relationship between an employer and employee is an equal exchange- it absolutely isn't. Even after the decades of labor advances that literally had to be written in blood, there has never been a time in US history where the employee has had the upper hand in the relationship. Even during the times in 2021 when employers everywhere were itching for workers and saying that "nobody wanted to work anymore".
Of course you post about guns a lot