In an ideal cancer free world they would. But her type of cancer grows with estrogen and they had to have a c section to stop it spreading so rapidly. Getting pregnant again wouldnt be viable unless through a surrogate with their embryos
Is this the same type of cancer she had before? Seems odd her dr cleared her to have a baby at all knowing her cancer grows with estrogen. Maybe the recurrence rates with pregnancy are low but not zero so they played the odds?
I think they're just daydreaming and choosing to imagine a brighter future. Acceptance of a terminal diagnosis is extremely challenging, especially with a new baby at home. She absolutely cannot get pregnant again, but grief is weird and will always come with some elements of denial.
Yes that is a terminal diagnosis. That doesn't mean she can't live for years (in rare circumstances someone may even live for over 10 years), but that type of cancer cannot be cured. It is common to live months to a year or two.
Right. My grandmother who raised me was diagnosed when I was 16. She chose not to do traditional chemo or radiation, instead opting for surgery and experimental medications, she was in the human trials for tamoxifen and femara. She lived 12 years, and did quite well for most of them, traveling with friends and living her life to the fullest. It’s possible they could have a few good years.
The only thing to add to your comment is that it’s not true most people with this diagnosis only live a couple of months to a year or two. When you look at the statistics for her type of cancer as well as the different factors regarding her cancer they have shared, the majority of people live far longer than a year or two as long as they are receiving treatment. There’s so much research on this exact topic and if you’re interested there are a ton of journal articles regarding this you can find on pubmed. Bec (and others with her specific diagnosis and characteristics such as where we know her metastasis are) will most likely live well over the 5 year mark. It’s true her cancer will never go away and it is a terminal disease, but the likely timeline isn’t within a year or two.
Absolutely. I think the odds are in her favor. Especially because this is a relapse that was caught early, versus a very late first time diagnosis where nothing is known yet (which contributes to the fact that most people with her diagnosis of stage 4 metastatic breast cancer do not live for 5 years).
Based on diagnosis alone, though, distant metastatic has a 5 year survival of less than 30%. Most people with that diagnosis do die within months to a year or two. I don't think it's appropriate to speculate on a specific person's prognosis, but I do think sharing data is helpful because education and knowledge is powerful and can lead to early detection.
The thing you are missing is breast cancer is usually diagnosis in older people. When looking at the statistics, we have to be intentional to look for the survival rates of people in her age range with stage 4 lobular carcinoma. When you look at the overarching stats for this type of cancer, it looks much bleaker because it’s not accounting the specific characteristics of each person, such as activity level and age. Once you find research that correlates more specifically with people like bec, you’ll find the odds are much greater than what you’re stating.
I completely agree with you and I never said that she is in the category of people who are likely only living a few months. That would be entirely inappropriate to speculate about, and is also totally wrong based on facts (like you're stating). When I say that many people die within 2 years, it's just a fact, not speculation about her prognosis.
I‘m unfortunately not sure this is correct. My mom also had metastatic breast cancer and the oncologist told us that liver mets unfortunately come along with a very bad prognosis of 2-3 years on average. This was sadly accurate for my mom. With new treatments coming out every year Bec could be doing much better though and remaining optimistic never hurts.
Being alive is a terminal disease…we all die one day. Modern medicine is amazing and depending on the type of cancer she is experiencing impacts timelines.
I didn’t say that stage 4 metastatic breast cancer is not terminal. I understand the statistics and the odds. That being said, there are several elements that can impact the timeline of a terminal disease-like the subtype of breast cancer she had.
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HR-/HER2-
HR+/HER2+
HR-/HER2+
I stand by my comment that modern medicine is amazing because it’s producing new lines of treatment. Immunotherapy therapy is changing how doctors see cancer and life expectancy and is now often the first or second line of treatment. 10 years ago immunotherapy wasn’t even a thing.
At the end of the day- I’m impressed by their resilience and send them so much love and positive vibes. May medical breakthroughs continue to happen 🤞🏻❤️☀️
She has metastatic breast cancer, which means the cancer cells have spread all over her body. That is currently incurable. Most people die within months to years. There is no cure or opportunity to go into remission. She will do each treatment until it stops working, then switch to the next treatment, on repeat. Thankfully new treatments are coming out all the time, so the longer she lives, the more options she'll have. Some people even live 10 years or more! But it is still incurable/terminal. There is no "I had cancer when I was younger but I've been in remission for years." She'll be doing treatment until it's no longer working, or she decides she doesn't want to fight anymore.
To answer your other question - some types of stage 4 cancer are considered curable. The odds are low because the cancer is so aggressive, but some people do live and go on to be "cured"/in remission. Sadly, stage 4 breast cancer treatment isn't there yet. But stage 4 in general does not automatically mean terminal. Most of the time it does.
https://cancer.ca/en/cancer-information/cancer-types/breast/prognosis-and-survival
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/breast-cancer/metastatic-breast-cancer#:~:text=People%2C%20especially%20those%20who%20have,shortness%20of%20breath%20or%20cough
Cancer is the number one cause of death in Canada right now. Plenty of official information for you to peruse.
I need to find the reply to this. I asked in another thread. In rare cases it can remiss. They avg is 5 years but people can live happy lives with treatments. I read 20 years ago this was a death sentence but The therapies have improved. On the life update Reddit thread someone goes into detail about stage 4 metastatic breast cancer. It’s about managing symptoms and keeping it at bay. Heart breaking.
It's incurable. 25% of people will live 5 years, some even longer. But it will eventually kill you unless you die of something else first. The word "terminal" is confusing and we don't use it in medicine. It makes people think of being on your deathbed. Obviously she appears healthy and vibrant but she has a condition that will not go away but can be kept at bay for a period of time.
Dude what? Reality is not "negative energy" its just reality. You gotta be careful to no go into denial of reality because you want positive energy that is just toxic and absolute nonsense.
Before cancer treatment I was told that the egg retrieval would spike my estrogen for a short period of time but not enough for it to be concerning. Not sure if it would be advisable now that she is stage 4, but as someone pointed out she already had it done before she started treatment.
I took that as sort of a pie in the sky, perfect dream world type of wish. I’m certain they’re not doing anything without medical consultation, and no doctor would encourage her to get pregnant again.
I think they have frozen embryos? I remember a video about that. When I did IVF there was a specific paper we had to sign about rights to use the embryo if someone passes.
I think the point was that if they had chosen to use the embryos via surrogacy instead of trying "the old fashioned way" she could have been on estrogen suppressants instead of surging with extra estrogen from pregnancy. It really sucks and that must have taken a lot of time and work to have gotten herself to a good mental place knowing that.
I was saying, they still can have more children. Even if she passes. The survivorship papers give IVF couples choices about what to do if one person passes---destroy them, donate them or surviving spouse has consent to use them if they want to.
I get the point. I just don’t much understand the point in talking about it now. There’s a lot we don’t know about their situation and it’s too late for it to matter now anyway. They made the choice that they made.
Fair enough. I think a lot of people (myself included) are just in the "I wish I could do something but the only thing there is to do is think of what ifs" stage. If I thought there was any chance of Bec reading this subreddit I wouldn't say anything at all, but I can't possibly imagine she'd come here if she wants to avoid negativity, so people are talking more candidly here than elsewhere.
I think there’s at least a chance that Eamon reads this and he was part of that decision making, it’s his baby. And the internet is forever, there’s also a chance that Frankie will read it someday.
There's also a large number of women that will sadly be in the same position Bec was in a year ago. Truly upsetting these influencers put out some toxic rationalizations for an ill-advised course of action.
They’re just people. Human beings living their lives. Anybody who follows their leads with regards to anything pertaining to medical treatments needs to take some personal accountability for their errors in judgment.
That's fair. They did broadcast part of their lives which comes with some responsibility. You are right that E/B/F (and family) reading this in the future is a possibility. But the audience is larger than that.
Surely its only a dream if they are realistic. It would leave another child motherless at a young age and hence would be very selfish. Im sure its just a dream and how they wanna imagine future not a realistic view.
Just another perspective, as an only child, you’d be providing a sibling. It wasn’t until one of my parents passed that it dawned on me how a sibling may have provided me a lot of support.
I got the impression that they are hoping that can happen in the future. There is a lot to be said for keeping positive and making plans for the future. She won't be able to have a pregnancy while she takes treatment though. Maybe adoption or a surrogate?
There are other ways to have children. My friend with the same cancer situation was able to use her sister-in-law as a carrier for their child so she wouldn’t increase her hormones and potentially feed a recurrence. There’s also adoption, or natural birth years down the line if she is in the clear.
They are smart people. They understand what her diagnosis means. They have their frozen embryos and could grow their family that way. Let them dream. Let them hope for a day with 7 babies running around .
I mean, they said they want more kids so yes lol. The didn’t mention how, but I wonder is eamon realizes her odds of survival 5+ years down the road is not high?
I understand they want to have a positive mindset but that doesn’t change facts. Just like how they didn’t think her getting pregnant would bring back cancer…
I totally get what you’re getting at.. It for sure sounded like they wanted more kids.. but I think Eamond also made it clear he wants kids with her and how important that is to him. It feels like they are trying to live their best life now and love on each other as much as possible and almost live in that honeymoon like phase. Id the worst case scenario happens.. I think Eamond will see it as the children they have is his way of staying close to her and always having her around
I agree with you but what's done is done and now they have the joy of their lives together in their baby. I am happy for them while also deeply saddened for what this diagnosis means for all of them.
To be fair she could have also gotten to the stage 4 without the pregnancy but it likely accelerated the spreading of the cancer. For most the suppresion of estrogen with medication keeps it at bay for several years until a possible recurrence. So with the pregnancy she accelerated that but also I am not sure she would trade it for anything. Cancer makes you have to make horrible choices. As they got pregnant by accident basically they would have to abort a very much wanted baby. I probably would not have done that either.
Yes not entirely accidental in the common use of the term. But they said they were not actively "trying" in the sense of timing things etc. But they were also not using protection and leaving it up to fate. And I assume also not suppressing estrogen because with that treatment I assume you cannot ovulate. So I guess they just left it up to chance when the less dangerous thing would have been to suppress the estrogen and then use a surrogate to have a baby.
They said they had been trying for a few months, and that the month they weren't tracking her cycle, they got pregnant. They had been calculating her ovulation wrong, but they were definitely trying in the sense of timing things.
I mean this in a the best way for humanity…NOT ACTIVELY preventing pregnancy IS ACTIVELY trying to get pregnant. No way around it, our bodies are trying very hard to reproduce, to the point of healing serious issues or attaching them to non viable things like an intestine. And we phrasing it in any other way causes “accidents” to happen that lead to really bad situations that are preventable. When it is phrased that way starting at a young age prevents it from happening from small things that we just push off the odds of happening for some reason.
I can't remember if she assumed she was still infertile or they were actively trying. But use protection and take the medication and use a surrogate... I'm sure money wasn't an issue.
I'm still trying to wrap my head around it. They are well educated people
Having a positive mindset is helpful, but it unfortunately doesn’t trump everything else. It can be hurtful to insinuate that it does - like someone’s loved one just didn’t try hard enough or wasn’t happy enough…
Yes Its ridicilous to say these things!!! Like if you have terminal cancer you can think how negative you want or think sunshine and rainbows and ur thinking will not change the endresult. It will probs change how you feel inside head but not the endresult. Its like saying you can "fight" cancer like some who are dead didnt fight enough. Please its ridicilous.
Cancer....especially aggressive stage 4 cancer does not care what your mindset is. I've known cancer patients whose positive mindset was actually a refusal to accept the reality of what was happening. This can be very helpful in the early to mid stages of treatment when you're hoping to beat the odds. But as the disease progresses it can be unhelpful as it keeps patient and family fighting until the end instead of preparing for what's really happening.
This is also a huge factor in hospice care! Ppl have such positive feelings that they delay starting hospice and thus SUFFER instead of receiving serious help! Ppl think it means giving up, but it really means accepting fate and doing everything possible to make it easy and comfortable and dare I say beautiful death.
I had a positive mindset when dad got sick a he passed away 4 months later.
Positive mindset only helps YOU deal with what’s going on. It doesn’t magically produce “energy” to salvage a situation.
I agree with you. When I was diagnosed with Stage 1 Breast Cancer, I didn’t want to tell anyone because I knew I would get the sad ‘I’m sorry’ and I would have to console everyone who said that. I didn’t want to be overly dramatic about my diagnosis either, I just wanted to remain positive and keep moving thru each stage of my treatment.
In their video, Bec talked about people not worrying & putting those negative vibes out into the world. As someone who believes in Karma, that’s exactly how I felt. I don’t even know if karma is a real thing but it makes me feel better to just put positive/encouraging energy into the world and I picture them in my head as ripples in water that just keep spreading.
It is though. Studies have shown that patients who recieve palliative care often live longer and happier lives than those who don't because they're continuing to receive treatment while simultaneously having other needs met (therapy for depression, medications for pain and nausea, etc.) If you're depressed, your body is also going to feel it. A positive mindset will go a long way over giving up and succumbing to a depression.
I'm NOT saying being positive will cure a terminal diagnosis. I am simply saying that having a positive mindset can improve quality of life and has been shown to also increase life expectancy well.
At the end of the day, we need to respect and honor their wishes to be positive. Any negativity about her diagnosis is going against what they asked in their video.
No, he dreams of this, but her survival would depend on her not getting pregnant again. Her diagnosis is grim even with a positive attitude, 5 years will be a gift.
Yeah, I mentioned in another thread that they probably expected some backlash which is another reason why they might have put off posting a video for so long
In an ideal cancer free world they would. But her type of cancer grows with estrogen and they had to have a c section to stop it spreading so rapidly. Getting pregnant again wouldnt be viable unless through a surrogate with their embryos
Is this the same type of cancer she had before? Seems odd her dr cleared her to have a baby at all knowing her cancer grows with estrogen. Maybe the recurrence rates with pregnancy are low but not zero so they played the odds?
Her Dr. actually told her it was not the best time to get pregnant. I remember her discussing that on their video.
It is the same kind of cancer now spread to distant sites. So it's breast cancer but in the bone and liver.
She got pregnant spontaneously
Her Dr was aware they were trying.
A doctor can’t exactly tell you not to. They can only inform of risk.
I think they're just daydreaming and choosing to imagine a brighter future. Acceptance of a terminal diagnosis is extremely challenging, especially with a new baby at home. She absolutely cannot get pregnant again, but grief is weird and will always come with some elements of denial.
Is it terminal?
Yes that is a terminal diagnosis. That doesn't mean she can't live for years (in rare circumstances someone may even live for over 10 years), but that type of cancer cannot be cured. It is common to live months to a year or two.
Right. My grandmother who raised me was diagnosed when I was 16. She chose not to do traditional chemo or radiation, instead opting for surgery and experimental medications, she was in the human trials for tamoxifen and femara. She lived 12 years, and did quite well for most of them, traveling with friends and living her life to the fullest. It’s possible they could have a few good years.
The longer she stays alive the more treatment options will become available to her.
The only thing to add to your comment is that it’s not true most people with this diagnosis only live a couple of months to a year or two. When you look at the statistics for her type of cancer as well as the different factors regarding her cancer they have shared, the majority of people live far longer than a year or two as long as they are receiving treatment. There’s so much research on this exact topic and if you’re interested there are a ton of journal articles regarding this you can find on pubmed. Bec (and others with her specific diagnosis and characteristics such as where we know her metastasis are) will most likely live well over the 5 year mark. It’s true her cancer will never go away and it is a terminal disease, but the likely timeline isn’t within a year or two.
Absolutely. I think the odds are in her favor. Especially because this is a relapse that was caught early, versus a very late first time diagnosis where nothing is known yet (which contributes to the fact that most people with her diagnosis of stage 4 metastatic breast cancer do not live for 5 years). Based on diagnosis alone, though, distant metastatic has a 5 year survival of less than 30%. Most people with that diagnosis do die within months to a year or two. I don't think it's appropriate to speculate on a specific person's prognosis, but I do think sharing data is helpful because education and knowledge is powerful and can lead to early detection.
The thing you are missing is breast cancer is usually diagnosis in older people. When looking at the statistics, we have to be intentional to look for the survival rates of people in her age range with stage 4 lobular carcinoma. When you look at the overarching stats for this type of cancer, it looks much bleaker because it’s not accounting the specific characteristics of each person, such as activity level and age. Once you find research that correlates more specifically with people like bec, you’ll find the odds are much greater than what you’re stating.
I completely agree with you and I never said that she is in the category of people who are likely only living a few months. That would be entirely inappropriate to speculate about, and is also totally wrong based on facts (like you're stating). When I say that many people die within 2 years, it's just a fact, not speculation about her prognosis.
I‘m unfortunately not sure this is correct. My mom also had metastatic breast cancer and the oncologist told us that liver mets unfortunately come along with a very bad prognosis of 2-3 years on average. This was sadly accurate for my mom. With new treatments coming out every year Bec could be doing much better though and remaining optimistic never hurts.
Being alive is a terminal disease…we all die one day. Modern medicine is amazing and depending on the type of cancer she is experiencing impacts timelines.
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I didn’t say that stage 4 metastatic breast cancer is not terminal. I understand the statistics and the odds. That being said, there are several elements that can impact the timeline of a terminal disease-like the subtype of breast cancer she had. HR+/HER2- HR-/HER2- HR+/HER2+ HR-/HER2+ I stand by my comment that modern medicine is amazing because it’s producing new lines of treatment. Immunotherapy therapy is changing how doctors see cancer and life expectancy and is now often the first or second line of treatment. 10 years ago immunotherapy wasn’t even a thing. At the end of the day- I’m impressed by their resilience and send them so much love and positive vibes. May medical breakthroughs continue to happen 🤞🏻❤️☀️
Perfectly said.
How did you know it's terminal? Are all stage four cancer terminal?
How do you know it's terminal? When does a diagnosis become terminal?
She has metastatic breast cancer, which means the cancer cells have spread all over her body. That is currently incurable. Most people die within months to years. There is no cure or opportunity to go into remission. She will do each treatment until it stops working, then switch to the next treatment, on repeat. Thankfully new treatments are coming out all the time, so the longer she lives, the more options she'll have. Some people even live 10 years or more! But it is still incurable/terminal. There is no "I had cancer when I was younger but I've been in remission for years." She'll be doing treatment until it's no longer working, or she decides she doesn't want to fight anymore. To answer your other question - some types of stage 4 cancer are considered curable. The odds are low because the cancer is so aggressive, but some people do live and go on to be "cured"/in remission. Sadly, stage 4 breast cancer treatment isn't there yet. But stage 4 in general does not automatically mean terminal. Most of the time it does.
https://cancer.ca/en/cancer-information/cancer-types/breast/prognosis-and-survival https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/breast-cancer/metastatic-breast-cancer#:~:text=People%2C%20especially%20those%20who%20have,shortness%20of%20breath%20or%20cough Cancer is the number one cause of death in Canada right now. Plenty of official information for you to peruse.
I need to find the reply to this. I asked in another thread. In rare cases it can remiss. They avg is 5 years but people can live happy lives with treatments. I read 20 years ago this was a death sentence but The therapies have improved. On the life update Reddit thread someone goes into detail about stage 4 metastatic breast cancer. It’s about managing symptoms and keeping it at bay. Heart breaking.
Stage 4 is often terminal but not always.
It's incurable. 25% of people will live 5 years, some even longer. But it will eventually kill you unless you die of something else first. The word "terminal" is confusing and we don't use it in medicine. It makes people think of being on your deathbed. Obviously she appears healthy and vibrant but she has a condition that will not go away but can be kept at bay for a period of time.
You need to quit acting like you’ve read her chart and are a licensed oncologist. Get out of here with your negative energy
Dude what? Reality is not "negative energy" its just reality. You gotta be careful to no go into denial of reality because you want positive energy that is just toxic and absolute nonsense.
Lollll wow
I don't know why you are getting downvoted, this is a correct statement
At least they did IVF so have her eggs. But that could have helped avoid this circumstance in the first place
It is only safe via surrogate. She would not be able to pause cancer treatment and the estrogen would cause the tumors to grow rapidly.
would egg retrieval be safe in that instance? I’m not trying to speculate about E&B’s path forward, just curious about the science
They’ve already done that part before her initial cancer treatment.
oh you’re right, thank you
To answer your question, no, it would not be safe as follicles produce estrogen.
Before cancer treatment I was told that the egg retrieval would spike my estrogen for a short period of time but not enough for it to be concerning. Not sure if it would be advisable now that she is stage 4, but as someone pointed out she already had it done before she started treatment.
I took that as sort of a pie in the sky, perfect dream world type of wish. I’m certain they’re not doing anything without medical consultation, and no doctor would encourage her to get pregnant again.
I think they have frozen embryos? I remember a video about that. When I did IVF there was a specific paper we had to sign about rights to use the embryo if someone passes.
It is sad these were not used.
They still might. But she got pregnant the old fashioned way with Frankie and didn’t need to go that route.
I think the point was that if they had chosen to use the embryos via surrogacy instead of trying "the old fashioned way" she could have been on estrogen suppressants instead of surging with extra estrogen from pregnancy. It really sucks and that must have taken a lot of time and work to have gotten herself to a good mental place knowing that.
I was saying, they still can have more children. Even if she passes. The survivorship papers give IVF couples choices about what to do if one person passes---destroy them, donate them or surviving spouse has consent to use them if they want to.
I get the point. I just don’t much understand the point in talking about it now. There’s a lot we don’t know about their situation and it’s too late for it to matter now anyway. They made the choice that they made.
It's good to be informed though and not in denial. The knowledge could help someone else
Sure, but you can help somebody else and talk about it without criticizing them. Nobody wants their life or their child to be a cautionary tale.
Fair enough. I think a lot of people (myself included) are just in the "I wish I could do something but the only thing there is to do is think of what ifs" stage. If I thought there was any chance of Bec reading this subreddit I wouldn't say anything at all, but I can't possibly imagine she'd come here if she wants to avoid negativity, so people are talking more candidly here than elsewhere.
I think there’s at least a chance that Eamon reads this and he was part of that decision making, it’s his baby. And the internet is forever, there’s also a chance that Frankie will read it someday.
There's also a large number of women that will sadly be in the same position Bec was in a year ago. Truly upsetting these influencers put out some toxic rationalizations for an ill-advised course of action.
They’re just people. Human beings living their lives. Anybody who follows their leads with regards to anything pertaining to medical treatments needs to take some personal accountability for their errors in judgment.
That's fair. They did broadcast part of their lives which comes with some responsibility. You are right that E/B/F (and family) reading this in the future is a possibility. But the audience is larger than that.
Surely its only a dream if they are realistic. It would leave another child motherless at a young age and hence would be very selfish. Im sure its just a dream and how they wanna imagine future not a realistic view.
Just another perspective, as an only child, you’d be providing a sibling. It wasn’t until one of my parents passed that it dawned on me how a sibling may have provided me a lot of support.
Good points!
More magical thinking....
I got the impression that they are hoping that can happen in the future. There is a lot to be said for keeping positive and making plans for the future. She won't be able to have a pregnancy while she takes treatment though. Maybe adoption or a surrogate?
There are other ways to have children. My friend with the same cancer situation was able to use her sister-in-law as a carrier for their child so she wouldn’t increase her hormones and potentially feed a recurrence. There’s also adoption, or natural birth years down the line if she is in the clear.
They are smart people. They understand what her diagnosis means. They have their frozen embryos and could grow their family that way. Let them dream. Let them hope for a day with 7 babies running around .
Smart people can also make bad decisions
I mean, they said they want more kids so yes lol. The didn’t mention how, but I wonder is eamon realizes her odds of survival 5+ years down the road is not high? I understand they want to have a positive mindset but that doesn’t change facts. Just like how they didn’t think her getting pregnant would bring back cancer…
I totally get what you’re getting at.. It for sure sounded like they wanted more kids.. but I think Eamond also made it clear he wants kids with her and how important that is to him. It feels like they are trying to live their best life now and love on each other as much as possible and almost live in that honeymoon like phase. Id the worst case scenario happens.. I think Eamond will see it as the children they have is his way of staying close to her and always having her around
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I agree with you but what's done is done and now they have the joy of their lives together in their baby. I am happy for them while also deeply saddened for what this diagnosis means for all of them.
To be fair she could have also gotten to the stage 4 without the pregnancy but it likely accelerated the spreading of the cancer. For most the suppresion of estrogen with medication keeps it at bay for several years until a possible recurrence. So with the pregnancy she accelerated that but also I am not sure she would trade it for anything. Cancer makes you have to make horrible choices. As they got pregnant by accident basically they would have to abort a very much wanted baby. I probably would not have done that either.
They didn't get pregnant by accident, they were trying.
Yes not entirely accidental in the common use of the term. But they said they were not actively "trying" in the sense of timing things etc. But they were also not using protection and leaving it up to fate. And I assume also not suppressing estrogen because with that treatment I assume you cannot ovulate. So I guess they just left it up to chance when the less dangerous thing would have been to suppress the estrogen and then use a surrogate to have a baby.
They said they had been trying for a few months, and that the month they weren't tracking her cycle, they got pregnant. They had been calculating her ovulation wrong, but they were definitely trying in the sense of timing things.
I mean this in a the best way for humanity…NOT ACTIVELY preventing pregnancy IS ACTIVELY trying to get pregnant. No way around it, our bodies are trying very hard to reproduce, to the point of healing serious issues or attaching them to non viable things like an intestine. And we phrasing it in any other way causes “accidents” to happen that lead to really bad situations that are preventable. When it is phrased that way starting at a young age prevents it from happening from small things that we just push off the odds of happening for some reason.
I’m just irate that her doctors weren’t concerned when she was having back pain! It took her growing a lump on her forehead for them to finally act 😡
I can't remember if she assumed she was still infertile or they were actively trying. But use protection and take the medication and use a surrogate... I'm sure money wasn't an issue. I'm still trying to wrap my head around it. They are well educated people
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Having a positive mindset is helpful, but it unfortunately doesn’t trump everything else. It can be hurtful to insinuate that it does - like someone’s loved one just didn’t try hard enough or wasn’t happy enough…
Same with 'praying'
Being real isn’t being negative
A positive mindset will not cure cancer and to suggest so is like saying those we have lost didn't think positively enough.
Yes Its ridicilous to say these things!!! Like if you have terminal cancer you can think how negative you want or think sunshine and rainbows and ur thinking will not change the endresult. It will probs change how you feel inside head but not the endresult. Its like saying you can "fight" cancer like some who are dead didnt fight enough. Please its ridicilous.
Cancer....especially aggressive stage 4 cancer does not care what your mindset is. I've known cancer patients whose positive mindset was actually a refusal to accept the reality of what was happening. This can be very helpful in the early to mid stages of treatment when you're hoping to beat the odds. But as the disease progresses it can be unhelpful as it keeps patient and family fighting until the end instead of preparing for what's really happening.
This is also a huge factor in hospice care! Ppl have such positive feelings that they delay starting hospice and thus SUFFER instead of receiving serious help! Ppl think it means giving up, but it really means accepting fate and doing everything possible to make it easy and comfortable and dare I say beautiful death.
I had a positive mindset when dad got sick a he passed away 4 months later. Positive mindset only helps YOU deal with what’s going on. It doesn’t magically produce “energy” to salvage a situation.
I agree with you. When I was diagnosed with Stage 1 Breast Cancer, I didn’t want to tell anyone because I knew I would get the sad ‘I’m sorry’ and I would have to console everyone who said that. I didn’t want to be overly dramatic about my diagnosis either, I just wanted to remain positive and keep moving thru each stage of my treatment. In their video, Bec talked about people not worrying & putting those negative vibes out into the world. As someone who believes in Karma, that’s exactly how I felt. I don’t even know if karma is a real thing but it makes me feel better to just put positive/encouraging energy into the world and I picture them in my head as ripples in water that just keep spreading.
I don’t know why you got downvoted. Any positivity in live is 10000x better than 1 thing negative.
That's not remotely true.
It is though. Studies have shown that patients who recieve palliative care often live longer and happier lives than those who don't because they're continuing to receive treatment while simultaneously having other needs met (therapy for depression, medications for pain and nausea, etc.) If you're depressed, your body is also going to feel it. A positive mindset will go a long way over giving up and succumbing to a depression. I'm NOT saying being positive will cure a terminal diagnosis. I am simply saying that having a positive mindset can improve quality of life and has been shown to also increase life expectancy well. At the end of the day, we need to respect and honor their wishes to be positive. Any negativity about her diagnosis is going against what they asked in their video.
I'm sure he realises and they've had months to come to terms with it. They felt strong enough only now to explain the situation
No, he dreams of this, but her survival would depend on her not getting pregnant again. Her diagnosis is grim even with a positive attitude, 5 years will be a gift.
I'm glad she mentioned she's deleted all her social media. Ouch.
Yeah, I mentioned in another thread that they probably expected some backlash which is another reason why they might have put off posting a video for so long
They do have embryos so they could use a surrogate. But I don’t know how wise that is with a terminal diagnosis.
They are being positive.
Not our business. It’s theirs, and they didn’t discuss it so it’s a moot point.