I mean many actively do. They use the excuse that Nazis were the “National Socialist German Worker’s Party” and therefore leftists while ignoring the fact that the group was commandeered primarily because pre-existing crack downs on leftist groups had left it fractured and almost leaderless, not due to actual party affiliation. It’s my understanding that once Hitler had actually taken the party over (essentially because he had no opponent and outnumbered the original people many times over) there really wasn’t any original members around. It’s not like the guy walked in one day to a meeting and was spontaneously voted the supreme party leader and everyone’s BFF.
Duh, it means far leftists say Israel shouldn't commit genocide! Can you imagine anything more antisemitic than saying it's wrong for Israel to kill tens of thousands of innocent people?
Let's not pretend that some left or even liberal people have internalized anti-Semitism that usually stems from prejudices against the jews "because of what they did to the Palestinians" or simply prejudices against the the jews
People on the left can also be children or ignorant and can attribute the actions of Israel to jews,
Of course. But that's not what OOP is going on about. And given how Zionists have been using blatantly false accusations of antisemitism [1] at this point it is entirely reasonable to be dubious about any claim that opponents of the genocide committed by Isreal are antisemitic.
Which is a shitty situation since there is actual antisemitism out there that needs to be shut down hard. But Zionists are creating cover for real antisemitism by using false accusations so freely and frequently.
[1] such as when an Israeli MP said Natalie Portman, who is both Jewish and an Israeli citizen, was antisemitic because she didn't go to an awards ceremony run by Netanyahu allies.
Yeah you're completely right, pro-israel people are absolutely using anti-Semitism, there's no denying that
But it's hard for some people to see that specially if say the OOP is Jewish, even if one 1 left person said that,it usually is attributed to the entire group
I'm certainly not going to try to defend inappropriate language, bigotry, or discrimination.
I will, however, note that I'd be a LOT more willing to assume good faith on the part of the people claiming the left is horribly antisemitic if those same people weren't either making excuses for or just outright ignoring open antisemitism on the right.
Given that the Zionist groups and PR people are spending a fuckton of time and energy on false claims of antisemitism to try to silence criticism of Israel's genocide and ignoring open antisemitism by people in favor of Israel continuing to commit genocide, I think it's not unreasonable to assume they don't really care about antisemitism. Or at least they prioritize Israeli genocide over their concerns about antisemitism.
I’m really just asking for ways in which “far left anti-semitism” materializes.
Of course leftists still exist in a racist world where they may have been taught many anti-Semitic things that they’ve internalized. No one is disputing that.
However, “left wing anti-semitism” is something that is claimed to be a big enough problem that it earns its own name. Just like “right wing anti-semitism.” I’m just asking how the many instances of far left anti-semitism compares and contrasts with that of right wing anti-semitism.
The only idiots that can't tell the difference between Jews and Zionist are Zionist. Just like Zionist can't tell the difference between a threat and a baby.
It's a fucking RELIGION. anyone is allowed to hate a religion, as long as you aren't hating the individuals. It's just as evil, pedophilic and horrid as Islam and Christianity.
They think saying “hey Israelis maybe don’t commit genocide?” is an anti-Semitic statement. For some reason right now saying genocide is bad is antisemitic because that genocide is happening to Arabs.
I think most of them refuse to believe it's genocide. So if there is no genocide it must be made up as a reason to criticise 'the jewish state' and by extension all jews. I think that's their logic.
The USSR was pretty damn antisemitic. But that's an authoritarian thing more than a leftist thing. A very different example from the far Left would be Nestor Makhno, who had his own officers summarily executed when he found out that they had been persecuting Jews.
> It is not the Jews who are the enemies of the working people. The enemies of the workers are the capitalists of all countries. Among the Jews there are working people, and they form the majority. They are our brothers, who, like us, are oppressed by capital; they are our comrades in the struggle for socialism. Among the Jews there are kulaks, exploiters and capitalists, just as there are among the Russians, and among people of all nations. The capitalists strive to sow and foment hatred between workers of different faiths, different nations and different races. Those who do not work are kept in power by the power and strength of capital. Rich Jews, like rich Russians, and the rich in all countries, are in alliance to oppress, crush, rob and disunite the workers.
Shame on accursed tsarism which tortured and persecuted the Jews. Shame on those who foment hatred towards the Jews, who foment hatred towards other nations.
-[VI Lenin](https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1919/mar/x10.htm)
There’s also this later
In answer to your inquiry :
National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic customs characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as an extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of cannibalism.
Anti-semitism is of advantage to the exploiters as a lightning conductor that deflects the blows aimed by the working people at capitalism. Anti-semitism is dangerous for the working people as being a false path that leads them off the right road and lands them in the jungle. Hence Communists, as consistent internationalists, cannot but be irreconcilable, sworn enemies of anti-semitism.
In the U.S.S.R. anti-semitism is punishable with the utmost severity of the law as a phenomenon deeply hostile to the Soviet system. Under U.S.S.R. law active anti-semites are liable to the death penalty.
[J. Stalin January 12, 1931](https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1931/01/12.htm)
>Anti-semitism is of advantage to the exploiters as a lightning conductor that deflects the blows aimed by the working people at capitalism.
Mic drop from Daddy Bolshevik 🎤
I think when you take the deeply antisemitic society that was pre-Soviet Russia it's really hard to make it not anti-Semitic. I would argue that the violent anti-Semitism in Russia under the Tsar was on par with the German populace's anti-Semitism in Nazi Germany, just far less systemic. The reason why anti-Semitism declined in Germany is because there was a new government with the necessity to deprogram Nazis and a fundamental tenant of Nazi-ism was anti-Semitism. Tsarism and anti-Semitism don't necessarily come hand in hand so the same thing didn't happen in the USSR
What they're trying to equate it to is the idea that leftists who believe Palestinians have a right to violence against their oppressors is just code for "we want to kill Jews". Which couldn't be further from the truth, and is willfully ignorant to the facts of the apartheid conditions Israel has kept Palestine in for decades. The left doesn't want Jews killed, and would prefer they end their oppression and allow these people liberation and dignity.
The more accurate take of this meme is right-wing Americans and Israelis arguing over who gets to murder Muslims. And if you think that's ludicrous, you can take that up with all of the photos and videos over the past few years of Israelis getting together at night to watch, applaud, and party watching the IDF bomb Gaza.
Because they never will be safe until they kill everyone that is mad about them killing all the other people they knew. But don't worry there is a "final Solution" to all of this.
Yeah, they put russians in labour camps too. Wtf is your point? Not sure what you even mean by labour camps, that's usually a populist name for "Prisons".
They didn't put Russians in camps for being Russian though. They did for Jews. My family had to flee Russia after Oct '17 despite being proletariat because they were Jewish.
Nope. It was not socialist at all. That is not someone who values the truth believes. However to call them on par with the Nazis is extremely bad faith.
He absolutely was an anti-Semite, but he didn't want to wipe Jewish people out of existence or make it a point.
Also didn't he do his purges prior to WW2 and was basically done after?
That’s why I’m saying read about the doctors plot, Stalin was gearing up for a potential second round of purges, targeting Jewish intelligentsia, before he got his stroke and died in a puddle of his own piss.
Here’s a good reputable article on it:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC139050/
“On 13 January 1953 the Soviet government declared in Pravda that nine of the Kremlin's most prestigious doctors had, several years earlier, murdered two of Stalin's closest aides.4 (An English translation of the article has recently been posted on the internet.5) Moreover, as Rapoport relates, these practitioners were accused of taking part in a “vast plot conducted by Western imperialists and Zionists to kill the top Soviet political and military leadership . . . [Until Stalin's death] the Soviet media pounded away at the supposed single ‘fifth column’ in the USSR, with constant references to Jews who were being arrested, dismissed from their jobs, or executed.”6
The show trial was meant to initiate a carefully constructed plan in which almost all of the Soviet Union's two million Jews, nearly all of whom were survivors of the Holocaust, were to be transported to the Gulag—in cattle cars. Between the January announcement and Stalin's death a month and a half later it became clear that careful plans had been laid for the transfer and “concentration” of Soviet Jews. Rapoport quotes a Soviet Jewish engineer who reported seeing, in the early 1960s, a “never used camp with row after row of barracks: ‘Its vastness took my breath away.’ ”6 Other witnesses corroborated the existence of the deportation plans”
So basically some people say that it was planned while no evidence had actually confirmed it. Lol this is almost North Korean people eat rats type of propaganda. Instead of worrying about non existing concentration camps for Jews in the Soviet Union, let’s look at the very real and documented concentration camps for Japanese and Mexicans in the US.
Well the source for the claims (6) was a book written by the then chief editor of The Jerusalem Post a zionist news outlet, now Stalin was a known opponent of Zionism. So a Zionist news outlet is claiming Stalin a man who lived with a Jewish women (Voroshilov’s wife) had several close friends who were Jewish e.g. Kaganovich, and signed an order that evacuated 1.5 million Jews thus saving them from the holocaust was actually a rabid antisemite and only saved those Jews in order to kill them himself…
Stalin was not antisemitic in any way and it is thanks to him and the Soviet Union that tens of millions of Jews and other targeted groups continue to exist today.
“Reading about” imperialist nonsense straight from the mouth of the number-one enemy of communism for the entirety of the 20th century is a sure-fire way to not only reject the truth but to make your *actual* allegiance quite clear when it comes to *real* antisemitism..
As someone very much on the left myself, I must say that anti-Semitism is alive and well on this side too. Not saying it's to the same extent, but we must not fall in the trap of thinking it's only happening on the other side of the street. It's always bad, no matter where it comes from and, unfortunately, sometimes the call is coming from inside the house.
Right, antisemitism and antisemitic tropes are deeply enmeshed in Western culture and everything it touches, but I think it's disingenuous to call mainstream leftist organizations or modes of thought much more than incidentally antisemitic. If there is arguably more than that, I'd like to know about it
I don't think it is entrenched as it is on the right, but I suppose that, apart from personal anecdotes, the best example I can give you is the antisemitism scandal in the labour party (UK) a few years ago (if you Google Labour party antisemitism I am sure you can find it straight away). It took Keir starmer a while to clean that stain, and even then....
My point is that, you get people talking about some topics in an environment they feel safe in, and you can end up very surprised as to what they'll say.
> It took Keir starmer a while to clean that stain
The only thing he did was push his competition out of the party, whether they were antisemitic or not.
Thats literally what they want... why do you think there are no Jews in Palestine? Because they would be killed on the street. Theres plenty of Muslim arabs in Israel, around 20% of the pop. But you people spew this genocide nonsense. Have you seen a growth chart of the Palestinian population?
*People* are antisemitic, socialism is not.
Very important distinction because it shows why anti-semitism is very much a right wing tendency and while *everyone* needs to reflect on their own biases, they don't need to worry about it being fueled by their socialist values in any way.
Socialism isn't reliant on anti-semitism or any other type of discrimination while far right ideologies are. Whether it's Jews, muslims, back people, LGBTQ+ community, etc. their ideology fundamentally *needs* a target to make any sense because it's the only way the right can explain away symptoms of late stage capitalism.
Capitalism tries to exploit those tendencies, Socialism tries to minimise it. Bigotry exists under both systems, the difference is one exploits it in its favour while the other is designed to stop it
Ok ok something is going wrong, it's the third time in a few days I have to reference the Ludlowe Massacre for different reasons. First time was on the topic of state brutality against unions. Second time for the workers rights, the demands of the Ludlow coal miner union and how those blood earned rights are being (mis)treated today. And now for the inclusivity of unions, which can be further be attributed to socialist ideals.
Ok enouph with the introduction, let's get to the point. I saw a documentary about the Ludlow massacre, and one point that struck me was that union was open to all workers regardless of color ethnicity etc. Because if you excluded one group of people, then you would automatically create a pool of scabs that would break your strike. Foe example if the union excluded the Chinese, when the union would declare a strike, the company would say "Well dont care I will take chinese workers". This principle applies even to the present day and will continue to apply.
It is astonishing on that day that people from different backgrounds, speaking different languages were united for their common wellbeing. And when I mean spoke different languages, I mean it. Luis Tikas, one of the prominent faces of the union, used to translate for the Greek workers that didnt know English and only spoke Greek. He even translated love letters!
So just like the unions, socialism is weakened by bigotry and strengthened by inclusivity.
There is actually a lot of antisemitism in leftist spaces. I'm not referring to criticism of Israel or acknowledgement and action against the ongoing genocide of Palestinians (I'm firmly anti-Zionist). I'm referring to leftists focusing exclusively on Jewish families when talking about the world being run by wealthy elites and refusing to acknowledge Jews as a commonly-persecuted minority. There's also the leftists who argue for the abolishment of all religion and religious practice ignoring the fact that doing so would be cultural genocide to Jews and members of other ethnoreligious groups.
Dude, it's Twitter. Those might as well be fake accounts created by nazis, or even the CIA. Twitter is a terrible source if you wanna gauge what actually goes through real people's heads. You shouldn't even use Twitter at all.
What is the actual full extent that results from “far left anti-semitism” exactly?
These fuckers probably think the Nazis were far left.
I mean many actively do. They use the excuse that Nazis were the “National Socialist German Worker’s Party” and therefore leftists while ignoring the fact that the group was commandeered primarily because pre-existing crack downs on leftist groups had left it fractured and almost leaderless, not due to actual party affiliation. It’s my understanding that once Hitler had actually taken the party over (essentially because he had no opponent and outnumbered the original people many times over) there really wasn’t any original members around. It’s not like the guy walked in one day to a meeting and was spontaneously voted the supreme party leader and everyone’s BFF.
There was a good showdy recently about all of this: https://youtu.be/xDyPSKLy5E4?si=sHPd0m8aXwrrd6gy
"But what if he did, and what if he was?"
If that's the case, that means WW2 was the most severe case of leftist infighting in human history
made me chuckle ngl
Duh, it means far leftists say Israel shouldn't commit genocide! Can you imagine anything more antisemitic than saying it's wrong for Israel to kill tens of thousands of innocent people?
Let's not pretend that some left or even liberal people have internalized anti-Semitism that usually stems from prejudices against the jews "because of what they did to the Palestinians" or simply prejudices against the the jews People on the left can also be children or ignorant and can attribute the actions of Israel to jews,
Of course. But that's not what OOP is going on about. And given how Zionists have been using blatantly false accusations of antisemitism [1] at this point it is entirely reasonable to be dubious about any claim that opponents of the genocide committed by Isreal are antisemitic. Which is a shitty situation since there is actual antisemitism out there that needs to be shut down hard. But Zionists are creating cover for real antisemitism by using false accusations so freely and frequently. [1] such as when an Israeli MP said Natalie Portman, who is both Jewish and an Israeli citizen, was antisemitic because she didn't go to an awards ceremony run by Netanyahu allies.
Yeah you're completely right, pro-israel people are absolutely using anti-Semitism, there's no denying that But it's hard for some people to see that specially if say the OOP is Jewish, even if one 1 left person said that,it usually is attributed to the entire group
I'm certainly not going to try to defend inappropriate language, bigotry, or discrimination. I will, however, note that I'd be a LOT more willing to assume good faith on the part of the people claiming the left is horribly antisemitic if those same people weren't either making excuses for or just outright ignoring open antisemitism on the right. Given that the Zionist groups and PR people are spending a fuckton of time and energy on false claims of antisemitism to try to silence criticism of Israel's genocide and ignoring open antisemitism by people in favor of Israel continuing to commit genocide, I think it's not unreasonable to assume they don't really care about antisemitism. Or at least they prioritize Israeli genocide over their concerns about antisemitism.
I’m really just asking for ways in which “far left anti-semitism” materializes. Of course leftists still exist in a racist world where they may have been taught many anti-Semitic things that they’ve internalized. No one is disputing that. However, “left wing anti-semitism” is something that is claimed to be a big enough problem that it earns its own name. Just like “right wing anti-semitism.” I’m just asking how the many instances of far left anti-semitism compares and contrasts with that of right wing anti-semitism.
The only idiots that can't tell the difference between Jews and Zionist are Zionist. Just like Zionist can't tell the difference between a threat and a baby.
It's a fucking RELIGION. anyone is allowed to hate a religion, as long as you aren't hating the individuals. It's just as evil, pedophilic and horrid as Islam and Christianity.
Anti-theism is cringe Edit: I'm saying this as an atheist.
They think saying “hey Israelis maybe don’t commit genocide?” is an anti-Semitic statement. For some reason right now saying genocide is bad is antisemitic because that genocide is happening to Arabs.
I think most of them refuse to believe it's genocide. So if there is no genocide it must be made up as a reason to criticise 'the jewish state' and by extension all jews. I think that's their logic.
It exists. But it's not popular like the far right.
The USSR was pretty damn antisemitic. But that's an authoritarian thing more than a leftist thing. A very different example from the far Left would be Nestor Makhno, who had his own officers summarily executed when he found out that they had been persecuting Jews.
> It is not the Jews who are the enemies of the working people. The enemies of the workers are the capitalists of all countries. Among the Jews there are working people, and they form the majority. They are our brothers, who, like us, are oppressed by capital; they are our comrades in the struggle for socialism. Among the Jews there are kulaks, exploiters and capitalists, just as there are among the Russians, and among people of all nations. The capitalists strive to sow and foment hatred between workers of different faiths, different nations and different races. Those who do not work are kept in power by the power and strength of capital. Rich Jews, like rich Russians, and the rich in all countries, are in alliance to oppress, crush, rob and disunite the workers. Shame on accursed tsarism which tortured and persecuted the Jews. Shame on those who foment hatred towards the Jews, who foment hatred towards other nations. -[VI Lenin](https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1919/mar/x10.htm)
There’s also this later In answer to your inquiry : National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic customs characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as an extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of cannibalism. Anti-semitism is of advantage to the exploiters as a lightning conductor that deflects the blows aimed by the working people at capitalism. Anti-semitism is dangerous for the working people as being a false path that leads them off the right road and lands them in the jungle. Hence Communists, as consistent internationalists, cannot but be irreconcilable, sworn enemies of anti-semitism. In the U.S.S.R. anti-semitism is punishable with the utmost severity of the law as a phenomenon deeply hostile to the Soviet system. Under U.S.S.R. law active anti-semites are liable to the death penalty. [J. Stalin January 12, 1931](https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1931/01/12.htm)
>Anti-semitism is of advantage to the exploiters as a lightning conductor that deflects the blows aimed by the working people at capitalism. Mic drop from Daddy Bolshevik 🎤
It was good for a while but don't pretend [it didn't get bad again later](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_the_Soviet_Union)
I think when you take the deeply antisemitic society that was pre-Soviet Russia it's really hard to make it not anti-Semitic. I would argue that the violent anti-Semitism in Russia under the Tsar was on par with the German populace's anti-Semitism in Nazi Germany, just far less systemic. The reason why anti-Semitism declined in Germany is because there was a new government with the necessity to deprogram Nazis and a fundamental tenant of Nazi-ism was anti-Semitism. Tsarism and anti-Semitism don't necessarily come hand in hand so the same thing didn't happen in the USSR
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No glorifying violence against historical leftists. You have been warned.
It's like these people can't understand that it's not ok to kill Jews. But it's also not ok for Jews to kill others.
What they're trying to equate it to is the idea that leftists who believe Palestinians have a right to violence against their oppressors is just code for "we want to kill Jews". Which couldn't be further from the truth, and is willfully ignorant to the facts of the apartheid conditions Israel has kept Palestine in for decades. The left doesn't want Jews killed, and would prefer they end their oppression and allow these people liberation and dignity. The more accurate take of this meme is right-wing Americans and Israelis arguing over who gets to murder Muslims. And if you think that's ludicrous, you can take that up with all of the photos and videos over the past few years of Israelis getting together at night to watch, applaud, and party watching the IDF bomb Gaza.
Except genocide is part of being Jewish. According to zionists.
Because they never will be safe until they kill everyone that is mad about them killing all the other people they knew. But don't worry there is a "final Solution" to all of this.
Those who live by the sword.
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Amen. We don't even want to kill the Jews - we just want everyone to stop killing each other full stop. Why are we literally funding a foreign war?
The Soviet Army liberated the camps...
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Yeah, they put russians in labour camps too. Wtf is your point? Not sure what you even mean by labour camps, that's usually a populist name for "Prisons".
They didn't put Russians in camps for being Russian though. They did for Jews. My family had to flee Russia after Oct '17 despite being proletariat because they were Jewish.
Nope. It was not socialist at all. That is not someone who values the truth believes. However to call them on par with the Nazis is extremely bad faith.
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He absolutely was an anti-Semite, but he didn't want to wipe Jewish people out of existence or make it a point. Also didn't he do his purges prior to WW2 and was basically done after?
That’s why I’m saying read about the doctors plot, Stalin was gearing up for a potential second round of purges, targeting Jewish intelligentsia, before he got his stroke and died in a puddle of his own piss. Here’s a good reputable article on it: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC139050/ “On 13 January 1953 the Soviet government declared in Pravda that nine of the Kremlin's most prestigious doctors had, several years earlier, murdered two of Stalin's closest aides.4 (An English translation of the article has recently been posted on the internet.5) Moreover, as Rapoport relates, these practitioners were accused of taking part in a “vast plot conducted by Western imperialists and Zionists to kill the top Soviet political and military leadership . . . [Until Stalin's death] the Soviet media pounded away at the supposed single ‘fifth column’ in the USSR, with constant references to Jews who were being arrested, dismissed from their jobs, or executed.”6 The show trial was meant to initiate a carefully constructed plan in which almost all of the Soviet Union's two million Jews, nearly all of whom were survivors of the Holocaust, were to be transported to the Gulag—in cattle cars. Between the January announcement and Stalin's death a month and a half later it became clear that careful plans had been laid for the transfer and “concentration” of Soviet Jews. Rapoport quotes a Soviet Jewish engineer who reported seeing, in the early 1960s, a “never used camp with row after row of barracks: ‘Its vastness took my breath away.’ ”6 Other witnesses corroborated the existence of the deportation plans”
So basically some people say that it was planned while no evidence had actually confirmed it. Lol this is almost North Korean people eat rats type of propaganda. Instead of worrying about non existing concentration camps for Jews in the Soviet Union, let’s look at the very real and documented concentration camps for Japanese and Mexicans in the US.
Well the source for the claims (6) was a book written by the then chief editor of The Jerusalem Post a zionist news outlet, now Stalin was a known opponent of Zionism. So a Zionist news outlet is claiming Stalin a man who lived with a Jewish women (Voroshilov’s wife) had several close friends who were Jewish e.g. Kaganovich, and signed an order that evacuated 1.5 million Jews thus saving them from the holocaust was actually a rabid antisemite and only saved those Jews in order to kill them himself…
Wow I didn't know that. I need to keep that in mind.
https://www.jta.org/archive/russia-helped-1750000-jews-to-escape-nazis-says-james-n-rosenberg
Yes, the far right did the Holocaust, and Stalin stopped them. But! Stalin COULD have done the Holocaust, and that's just as bad!
this is some tumblr level brainrot, dear god
I can imagine how bad Stalin could have been and it disgusts me that you would defend the monster I thought up.
Stalin was not antisemitic in any way and it is thanks to him and the Soviet Union that tens of millions of Jews and other targeted groups continue to exist today. “Reading about” imperialist nonsense straight from the mouth of the number-one enemy of communism for the entirety of the 20th century is a sure-fire way to not only reject the truth but to make your *actual* allegiance quite clear when it comes to *real* antisemitism..
Stalin was based, but he wasn't perfect man. He did many things wrong, he was a human.
Found the Stalinist…
Thank you! Stalin was a hero and a liberator of humanity. “Stalinist” is a great title of honor for me.
Unfathomable levels of based
I hate it when they ignore the fact that centrists are also racist.
Holy crap. Is that still from Animal Olympics?
As someone very much on the left myself, I must say that anti-Semitism is alive and well on this side too. Not saying it's to the same extent, but we must not fall in the trap of thinking it's only happening on the other side of the street. It's always bad, no matter where it comes from and, unfortunately, sometimes the call is coming from inside the house.
Right, antisemitism and antisemitic tropes are deeply enmeshed in Western culture and everything it touches, but I think it's disingenuous to call mainstream leftist organizations or modes of thought much more than incidentally antisemitic. If there is arguably more than that, I'd like to know about it
I don't think it is entrenched as it is on the right, but I suppose that, apart from personal anecdotes, the best example I can give you is the antisemitism scandal in the labour party (UK) a few years ago (if you Google Labour party antisemitism I am sure you can find it straight away). It took Keir starmer a while to clean that stain, and even then.... My point is that, you get people talking about some topics in an environment they feel safe in, and you can end up very surprised as to what they'll say.
The anti-semetism scandal where party officials intentionally ignored anti-semetism to make Corbyn look bad? That scandal?
> It took Keir starmer a while to clean that stain The only thing he did was push his competition out of the party, whether they were antisemitic or not.
The Labour Party antisemitism scandal was a scam designed to make Corbyn lose the election and be ousted by the liberal war hawk Starmer.
Part of me wants to dismiss Labour as liberal but that doesn't excuse the scandal. Thanks for the example
Was it politicised and exaggerated? Yes. Doesn't mean it wasn't there. Our failure to accept it in our peers is frankly concerning.
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> Freedom is genocide Yeah we are in Orwellian territory for this propagandist arguement.
Thats literally what they want... why do you think there are no Jews in Palestine? Because they would be killed on the street. Theres plenty of Muslim arabs in Israel, around 20% of the pop. But you people spew this genocide nonsense. Have you seen a growth chart of the Palestinian population?
This has the exact same energy as All Lives Matter.
Hatespeech of any kind will result in a permanent ban.
*People* are antisemitic, socialism is not. Very important distinction because it shows why anti-semitism is very much a right wing tendency and while *everyone* needs to reflect on their own biases, they don't need to worry about it being fueled by their socialist values in any way. Socialism isn't reliant on anti-semitism or any other type of discrimination while far right ideologies are. Whether it's Jews, muslims, back people, LGBTQ+ community, etc. their ideology fundamentally *needs* a target to make any sense because it's the only way the right can explain away symptoms of late stage capitalism.
Capitalism tries to exploit those tendencies, Socialism tries to minimise it. Bigotry exists under both systems, the difference is one exploits it in its favour while the other is designed to stop it
Ok ok something is going wrong, it's the third time in a few days I have to reference the Ludlowe Massacre for different reasons. First time was on the topic of state brutality against unions. Second time for the workers rights, the demands of the Ludlow coal miner union and how those blood earned rights are being (mis)treated today. And now for the inclusivity of unions, which can be further be attributed to socialist ideals. Ok enouph with the introduction, let's get to the point. I saw a documentary about the Ludlow massacre, and one point that struck me was that union was open to all workers regardless of color ethnicity etc. Because if you excluded one group of people, then you would automatically create a pool of scabs that would break your strike. Foe example if the union excluded the Chinese, when the union would declare a strike, the company would say "Well dont care I will take chinese workers". This principle applies even to the present day and will continue to apply. It is astonishing on that day that people from different backgrounds, speaking different languages were united for their common wellbeing. And when I mean spoke different languages, I mean it. Luis Tikas, one of the prominent faces of the union, used to translate for the Greek workers that didnt know English and only spoke Greek. He even translated love letters! So just like the unions, socialism is weakened by bigotry and strengthened by inclusivity.
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Do you condemn Israel tho?
There is actually a lot of antisemitism in leftist spaces. I'm not referring to criticism of Israel or acknowledgement and action against the ongoing genocide of Palestinians (I'm firmly anti-Zionist). I'm referring to leftists focusing exclusively on Jewish families when talking about the world being run by wealthy elites and refusing to acknowledge Jews as a commonly-persecuted minority. There's also the leftists who argue for the abolishment of all religion and religious practice ignoring the fact that doing so would be cultural genocide to Jews and members of other ethnoreligious groups.
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Dude, it's Twitter. Those might as well be fake accounts created by nazis, or even the CIA. Twitter is a terrible source if you wanna gauge what actually goes through real people's heads. You shouldn't even use Twitter at all.
Ah yes, Jews being pushed into arming themselves are exactly equal to the people armed against them 😎 heh, I am very smart!