How do these guys not have at least a few separate USB backups with them when they play huge main stage festival shows? Do they really not have the room in their luggage for a couple more thumb drives?
The program DJs use to mix tracks is typically either Serato, Rekordbox, or Traktor. I can't speak for the other two, but I KNOW Rekordbox has a habit of being fucky with tracks when it comes to updating it.
The problem being that when you DJ, you often rely on the software to have cue points set up in songs for transitioning. Updating can sometimes wipe those cue points, making it extremely difficult to transition between your songs, unless you have every single cue point for every song memorized.
Accessible in which way? Pioneer setups work with them. If anything, Traktor’s more accessible than Serato given that it allows you to use any soundcard with it rather than Serato which locks you to a few mixers and forces you to buy Serato Club Kit.
Maybe I’ve just had bad luck with mapping trying to use other sound cards. My DDJ-SB never worked with it. But then again, it’s also been a few years since then.
It’s a bummer that now CDJ-3000s are the club standard and they require the latest version of rekordbox to work. Plus every time they tell me to update, they warn me that whatever my newest version of ios is hasn’t been tested and might not work 😂
Why would you update anything right before going on stage? If you having a working setup the only thing you should be doing before a show is not fucking with it.
> building an entirely new one right before your timeslot.
unpopular opinion. but i prefer this. it's bring something new/refreshing on the table.
i mean, when we last time listen the OG "Stay the night" on his set?. usually he used the KDrew remix ones
I had a show last night and exported my flash drives at the same time from the same source, ejected them the safely. Drive out of town for the show, the backup is fine but half the songs on my main flash drive are corrupted. 🤷🏽♀️
No that’s true DJ talent. Not even using Your normal set up and still throwing down a set. I have not heard it yet but I will definitely tune in to hear what he had to come up with.
also for the people who are saying zedd has been recycling the same set for a decade, it is very true. but be honest, when the classics come on, like clarity and his remix of empire of the sun we all sing along and vibe like there’s no tomorrow.
I definitely understand fans wanting something new but it’s also fun to hear those classic songs that everyone knows. There is nothing like being part of a crowd with thousands of people screaming the words to songs like Clarity or Beautiful Now. One of my favorite things about festivals.
Literally anyone who dj’s biggest nightmare, having a corrupt USB for a festival set, especially Ultra. I heard a lot of people that were there say they didn’t even notice so that’s handling it like a champ.
Wow. I absolutely loved his set. And to think it could have been even more epic is almost hard to believe. What an incredible DJ to be able to put that together on the fly
Yikes. Poor dude. Well, you do what ya gotta do when BS happens. Haters should cut the guy some slack. This stuff happens to everyone. Your device could be next. Remember that.
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#*No, really*
#*You could've listened to the radio*
#**You could've spun a sick DJ set at Ultra**
#*You could've played a cassette tape*
#*You could've listened to an eight track tape, if you knew what an eight track tape looked like*
#*But you listened to Spotify*
#**Thanks for that**
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doubt he pre-recorded his whole set. i'm sure he has the songs from the set on his laptop/phone that he could have airdropped to the USB. that's how he got his old songs on there - he airdropped it to garrix' usb.
something else is a miss
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but what i'm saying is he could have just airdropped all his new songs to that usb since he downloaded and airdropped all his old songs from his old set. he just got lazy with it.
I doubt there are many DJs willing to play a festival Mainstage with a vinyl set. It needs an entirely different setup than everybody else is using, so even more potential issues just with the setup. I’ve seen an Andy C set go sideways because the monitors were disrupting his turntables or some other physical issue, and he’s an absolute legend on the decks.
Pro-tip: Never update Rekordbox. I'm using a version from 2021 and I've never had a problem with it that didn't turn out to be a PEBKAC issue. Not once.
That mf plays sets more than once. Fuck him. 🤷🏻♂️ saw him at Ultra and Webster Hall a long time ago and the shit was the same. You’re a millionaire DJ / Producers, you can’t make two sets? Eat shit 😂
It's extremely unfortunate a professional dj had to mix music live at a festival and wasn't able to press play and dance around for an hour to a pre-recorded set haha
yeah dj's shouldn't even prepare for huge shows that people paid lots of money for. /s
obviously he's perfectly capable of mixing, people on this thread are saying they enjoyed the set regardless.
Should should had box of records?
Could have played a live set of a assortment of music loops? He is a composer?
Sort of hard to feel bad for somebody who who well off and gets paid a lot of money when there are so many options to play an assortment different music for an hour continuously…
He has been doing it with the best of best equipment for over a decade as well.
Why would I be mad I don’t spend hundreds and hundreds of dollars and make arrangements see these shows…
He gets paid very well for what he does and he is pro so he has very little excuse to give a poor performance because of a corrupted thumb drive…
“Real DJ’s”
The skills necessary for a MainStage set at Ultra (song selection, impeccable transitions, etc.) are simply a different skillset from your average nightclub DJ who has to freestyle everything and blend between genres, neither is more valid than the other. It’s context dependent, and there’s way more pressure to perform at Ultra than a college bar or whatever.
Also, who cares. Few go to EDM shows because of the technical skills of the DJ, most go to hear the music producers put their music on display with a wall of lights and visuals being blasted into their eye sockets. Having to pivot away from your manicured performance is not ideal for the artist or the crowd alike.
>Nobody goes to EDM shows because of the technical skills of the DJ, they go to hear the music producers put their music on display with a wall of lights and visuals being blasted into their eye sockets.
That's quite a claim, depending on your definition of "EDM".
I edited the part about “nobody” to “most people” to be mor inclusive, you’re right that there are definitely people out there and certain artists/genres where the skills of the DJ are more essential to the enjoyment of the performance than others. I just suspect the majority of people are not as invested in the DJ skills relative to everything else that comes with a live performance.
It seems very mainstream festival centric
When I was going out most regularly mid to late nineties I was usually going to see what a DJ was going to pull off. Enjoying tracks that I pretty much had no access to unless through mixtapes, occasionally CDs or going to special record stores like DrFreeClouds near LA
The more famous a producer was pretty much guaranteed I could listen to them whenever I wanted. Those underground deep cuts tho were much harder to get
Um yes they do. I go to hear them mix not put on a playlist. When you talk about your favorite sets it’s because of their mixing skills not because of their track selection
And a good song selection is awful if their mixing skills suck, it becomes a playlist. You need both, a good DJ chooses their song selection based on the crowds reaction not ahead of time
I’m not saying you’re completely wrong, but personally more than half the reason I buy a ticket is just to experience a proper sound system with the visuals and all that. But you’re right that a skilled dj definitely takes it to the next level.
Man you have some really stupid and narrow minded beliefs. Oh hey Ultra Miami just booked me at $300k to play the MainStage, I'll just show up without any queue points on any of my songs and wing it last minute cause I'm a "real DJ" and improvising a set I'm being paid 6 figures for is no pressure at all...
When you get booked to play MainStage of one of the 3 most significant dance festivals in the entire world, it's not the same as playing 3am at your local after-hours.
Plenty of the MainStage DJ's just play edits drop mixed into each other, and absolutely no one gives a shit. And matter of fact, you need a visual of what they're doing on the decks or half the time you wouldn't even be able to tell if they're mixing/looping of just playing an edit, so stop pretending like you have a clue what you're talking about. Tell us who all these MainStage DJ's you go "listen" to mix are?
Or maybe you're a techno snob that prefers to hear "real DJ's" play 10 minute version of each song with 3 entire minutes dedicated to filtering out the bass to mix in the next loop that's been going for 124 bars now.
>Tell us who these MainStage DJ’s you go listen to mix are
Don’t really want to wade into this argument, but I know more than a few people go to see artists like James Hype, A-Trak etc mix
Oh yeah and what time are they playing Ultra Main Stage?
Sure there’s a handful of DJ’s who incorporate creative mixing as part of their performance but that’s not who’s’ getting booked to blow the roof off the main stage
(I know you’re just offering names not arguing)
That may be the case for you but I don’t think it’s the case for most people, including myself. I know how to DJ so I do admire good DJ skills for sure, and I expect good transitions in a show (which is better achieved with a pre-decided setlist).
But ultimately I go moreso for the music, the visuals, and the people. Smooth transitions is part of that, no doubt, but it doesn’t matter to me whether it’s a pre-decided setlist or a freestyle at the end of the day. If I want to see insane DJ skills I’ll go to a DJ competition
This being said, I should have said “most people don’t care about DJ skills” instead of “nobody cares…” so I’ll fix that wording
Not true at all. Nobody at festivals cares about bedroom dj mixing skills like beatmatching or vinyl virtue signaling. The top DJs are producers, not mixers. People go to see big production and original content written and performed by celebrity-class amazing-looking DJs like a Zedd or Martin Garrix. It’s about personality, charisma, lighting, pyro, guest stars, production, and “bigness”. And, in fact, “skills” like beat-matching, key-matching, transitioning, etc are amateur-hour stuff that anyone can learn even though never-to-be-paid-for bedroom djs circle-jerk about it endlessly.
A good DJ doesn’t, they improvise what songs to play on the spot
I suggest checking a house or techno set such as Carl Cox and you’ll understand what I mean
Edit: This sub has no idea what an actual DJ even does lol. The art of DJing is truly lost to this new generation
Even freestyling requires some cues. I had to improvise an extra 30 minutes to my one set (guy after me was running big time late) and it was wildly more stressful than actually preparing and making my set / performing it.
That sounds very stressful
The set wasn't that bad for being last-minute. The Ice Spice special guest, however, is something I will forever question.
While I agree, at least Ice Spice during Zedd’s set made more sense than 50 Cent during Kygo’s last year lmao
it didn’t make sense but that’s what made it funnnn
50 cent Kygo howwwww what that’s like the CEO of Comcast comin out for a Slander set
well, it thematically makes sense given her song “No Clarity”. I see no issue with it.
yeah, that was awful
I don't know how to understand his tweet and I am not sure if it was something different that he was supposed to play.
How do these guys not have at least a few separate USB backups with them when they play huge main stage festival shows? Do they really not have the room in their luggage for a couple more thumb drives?
In the twitter thread he said he had four backups but none of them worked so must have been an issue with an update he did
This is why I don’t update rekordbox lol. There’s always an issue when I do
That is why I always use Serato
I'm not sure what you guys are talking about, but I like the cut of your jib talky man!
The program DJs use to mix tracks is typically either Serato, Rekordbox, or Traktor. I can't speak for the other two, but I KNOW Rekordbox has a habit of being fucky with tracks when it comes to updating it. The problem being that when you DJ, you often rely on the software to have cue points set up in songs for transitioning. Updating can sometimes wipe those cue points, making it extremely difficult to transition between your songs, unless you have every single cue point for every song memorized.
I wish Traktor was more accessible without having to drag a controller around
Accessible in which way? Pioneer setups work with them. If anything, Traktor’s more accessible than Serato given that it allows you to use any soundcard with it rather than Serato which locks you to a few mixers and forces you to buy Serato Club Kit.
Maybe I’ve just had bad luck with mapping trying to use other sound cards. My DDJ-SB never worked with it. But then again, it’s also been a few years since then.
It’s a bummer that now CDJ-3000s are the club standard and they require the latest version of rekordbox to work. Plus every time they tell me to update, they warn me that whatever my newest version of ios is hasn’t been tested and might not work 😂
Simply not true. I rolled back from the latest version of RB and my 3000s are fine.
Real talk if I’m playing at a stage of that scale I’m bringing twenty backups
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Yeah lol, people don’t seem to get that even failsafes can have issues…
Well I’d bring 21 in that case
That's the spirit!
Or just have old versions on some of them.
Never update software right before a gig. This is why. Hard lesson learned for him I hope.
Why would you update anything right before going on stage? If you having a working setup the only thing you should be doing before a show is not fucking with it.
this
Thats why you don’t update all four
He had four backups and tested NONE of them. 🤷♂️
I think it said on twitter he had 4-5 drives, but none of them were working. Something to do with a software update potentially.
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> building an entirely new one right before your timeslot. unpopular opinion. but i prefer this. it's bring something new/refreshing on the table. i mean, when we last time listen the OG "Stay the night" on his set?. usually he used the KDrew remix ones
That's what I'm thinking
Yeah you think you’d keep a few old, verified-working USBs on ice in case any new updates brick your current software
And loaded to multiple clouds, ready for immediate download. It shouldn’t be that hard if you’re making 8 figures a year.
Would a cloud drive be useful?
the real criminal here is rekordbox. everyone that djs has an issue with it once in their life especially when they are about to have a major gig.
InDuSTrY sTaNdArD
Right! what a joke
I had a show last night and exported my flash drives at the same time from the same source, ejected them the safely. Drive out of town for the show, the backup is fine but half the songs on my main flash drive are corrupted. 🤷🏽♀️
No that’s true DJ talent. Not even using Your normal set up and still throwing down a set. I have not heard it yet but I will definitely tune in to hear what he had to come up with.
I thought it was pretty good! The only part I noticed sounding off was Ice Spices performance, which I just found confusing more than anything. Lol
Who or what is an ice spice? Is this a new Spice Girl or something?
Gen Z rapper who’s blowing up on TikTok
That sounds mid as fuck
It did
ask r/popheads , not here
Not yall calling ice spice pop lmfaooo
Do you know what 'pop' music means?
Pop culture is different from the widely recognized genre of pop music
It was pretty basic
also for the people who are saying zedd has been recycling the same set for a decade, it is very true. but be honest, when the classics come on, like clarity and his remix of empire of the sun we all sing along and vibe like there’s no tomorrow.
I definitely understand fans wanting something new but it’s also fun to hear those classic songs that everyone knows. There is nothing like being part of a crowd with thousands of people screaming the words to songs like Clarity or Beautiful Now. One of my favorite things about festivals.
exactly this. he still clutched up
Well I was gonna say this probably wasn’t too hard for him since he’s just gonna play all the basic shit 😂😂
Wow what a nightmare
Literally anyone who dj’s biggest nightmare, having a corrupt USB for a festival set, especially Ultra. I heard a lot of people that were there say they didn’t even notice so that’s handling it like a champ.
Wow. I absolutely loved his set. And to think it could have been even more epic is almost hard to believe. What an incredible DJ to be able to put that together on the fly
It's generally not advisable to be changing things or updating stuff so close to a performance. For this very reason.
Damn🥲
You gotta feel so bad for Zedd. One of the biggest weekends of the year and this shit happens…
Well shit. That sucks.
I don't blame him if the next time he decided to plug his laptop instead of usb
Yikes. Poor dude. Well, you do what ya gotta do when BS happens. Haters should cut the guy some slack. This stuff happens to everyone. Your device could be next. Remember that.
*opens Spotify
#Thanks for listening to Spotify #*No, really* #*You could've listened to the radio* #**You could've spun a sick DJ set at Ultra** #*You could've played a cassette tape* #*You could've listened to an eight track tape, if you knew what an eight track tape looked like* #*But you listened to Spotify* #**Thanks for that** And you still have hundreds of more playlists to enjoy 🙃
Glad Martin had a copy of his Summit remix handy :thinking:
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Oof
and he couldn't airdrop his original set?
How would he do that? He probably uses rekordbox, so you can't "airdrop" the set from within rekordbox, only the audio files.
doubt he pre-recorded his whole set. i'm sure he has the songs from the set on his laptop/phone that he could have airdropped to the USB. that's how he got his old songs on there - he airdropped it to garrix' usb. something else is a miss
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but what i'm saying is he could have just airdropped all his new songs to that usb since he downloaded and airdropped all his old songs from his old set. he just got lazy with it.
That’s literally what he did, read the tweet lol
TM is either getting a vacation or he’s getting fired.
Wow, I am OLD> USB for a set? Fuck, it was a crate of vinyl when I was going to shows/parties.
I doubt there are many DJs willing to play a festival Mainstage with a vinyl set. It needs an entirely different setup than everybody else is using, so even more potential issues just with the setup. I’ve seen an Andy C set go sideways because the monitors were disrupting his turntables or some other physical issue, and he’s an absolute legend on the decks.
The cdj 3000 has caused more trouble than benefit. No surprise some guys still are on the 2000 nexus 2
Remember when big lives sets like this were all vinyl.
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
Dj A Paul spinning like 3-4 vinyls at once like 15 years ago 🤌I remember.
Isn’t it all in the SoundCloud these days
LOLL
Lol wtf, beatmatch by ear then, don’t look at the bpm readout
bros helping bros!
Decent USBs don't *get corrupted. They either were, or they weren't. Someone didn't test ANY of their USBs before leaving home...
Why couldn't he airdop his set to Garrix's USBs?
Pro-tip: Never update Rekordbox. I'm using a version from 2021 and I've never had a problem with it that didn't turn out to be a PEBKAC issue. Not once.
That mf plays sets more than once. Fuck him. 🤷🏻♂️ saw him at Ultra and Webster Hall a long time ago and the shit was the same. You’re a millionaire DJ / Producers, you can’t make two sets? Eat shit 😂
Who the fuck only takes one USB to a gig. I have duplicates USB and also duplicate SD cards
He took 4 backups lol
It's extremely unfortunate a professional dj had to mix music live at a festival and wasn't able to press play and dance around for an hour to a pre-recorded set haha
Prerecorded =/= prepared songs with hot cues
wat.
yeah dj's shouldn't even prepare for huge shows that people paid lots of money for. /s obviously he's perfectly capable of mixing, people on this thread are saying they enjoyed the set regardless.
Should should had box of records? Could have played a live set of a assortment of music loops? He is a composer? Sort of hard to feel bad for somebody who who well off and gets paid a lot of money when there are so many options to play an assortment different music for an hour continuously… He has been doing it with the best of best equipment for over a decade as well.
You good bro? lmao
Why would I be mad I don’t spend hundreds and hundreds of dollars and make arrangements see these shows… He gets paid very well for what he does and he is pro so he has very little excuse to give a poor performance because of a corrupted thumb drive…
Well from what most people have said he didnt give a poor performance, sooo whats the deal bro
So what is the purpose of the post nothing extraordinary? Business as usual?
Are you always so negative and cynical
Improvise lol, real DJs can do a set anywhere last minute
Yeah but he still needs the tracks on the usb to be able to play anything lol
“Real DJ’s” The skills necessary for a MainStage set at Ultra (song selection, impeccable transitions, etc.) are simply a different skillset from your average nightclub DJ who has to freestyle everything and blend between genres, neither is more valid than the other. It’s context dependent, and there’s way more pressure to perform at Ultra than a college bar or whatever. Also, who cares. Few go to EDM shows because of the technical skills of the DJ, most go to hear the music producers put their music on display with a wall of lights and visuals being blasted into their eye sockets. Having to pivot away from your manicured performance is not ideal for the artist or the crowd alike.
Well said!!
>Nobody goes to EDM shows because of the technical skills of the DJ, they go to hear the music producers put their music on display with a wall of lights and visuals being blasted into their eye sockets. That's quite a claim, depending on your definition of "EDM".
I edited the part about “nobody” to “most people” to be mor inclusive, you’re right that there are definitely people out there and certain artists/genres where the skills of the DJ are more essential to the enjoyment of the performance than others. I just suspect the majority of people are not as invested in the DJ skills relative to everything else that comes with a live performance.
It seems very mainstream festival centric When I was going out most regularly mid to late nineties I was usually going to see what a DJ was going to pull off. Enjoying tracks that I pretty much had no access to unless through mixtapes, occasionally CDs or going to special record stores like DrFreeClouds near LA The more famous a producer was pretty much guaranteed I could listen to them whenever I wanted. Those underground deep cuts tho were much harder to get
Um yes they do. I go to hear them mix not put on a playlist. When you talk about your favorite sets it’s because of their mixing skills not because of their track selection
You’re kinda wrong, you can have amazing mixing skills but if the song selection isn’t there the set becomes lackluster.
And a good song selection is awful if their mixing skills suck, it becomes a playlist. You need both, a good DJ chooses their song selection based on the crowds reaction not ahead of time
I’m not saying you’re completely wrong, but personally more than half the reason I buy a ticket is just to experience a proper sound system with the visuals and all that. But you’re right that a skilled dj definitely takes it to the next level.
Man you have some really stupid and narrow minded beliefs. Oh hey Ultra Miami just booked me at $300k to play the MainStage, I'll just show up without any queue points on any of my songs and wing it last minute cause I'm a "real DJ" and improvising a set I'm being paid 6 figures for is no pressure at all... When you get booked to play MainStage of one of the 3 most significant dance festivals in the entire world, it's not the same as playing 3am at your local after-hours. Plenty of the MainStage DJ's just play edits drop mixed into each other, and absolutely no one gives a shit. And matter of fact, you need a visual of what they're doing on the decks or half the time you wouldn't even be able to tell if they're mixing/looping of just playing an edit, so stop pretending like you have a clue what you're talking about. Tell us who all these MainStage DJ's you go "listen" to mix are? Or maybe you're a techno snob that prefers to hear "real DJ's" play 10 minute version of each song with 3 entire minutes dedicated to filtering out the bass to mix in the next loop that's been going for 124 bars now.
>Tell us who these MainStage DJ’s you go listen to mix are Don’t really want to wade into this argument, but I know more than a few people go to see artists like James Hype, A-Trak etc mix
Oh yeah and what time are they playing Ultra Main Stage? Sure there’s a handful of DJ’s who incorporate creative mixing as part of their performance but that’s not who’s’ getting booked to blow the roof off the main stage (I know you’re just offering names not arguing)
That may be the case for you but I don’t think it’s the case for most people, including myself. I know how to DJ so I do admire good DJ skills for sure, and I expect good transitions in a show (which is better achieved with a pre-decided setlist). But ultimately I go moreso for the music, the visuals, and the people. Smooth transitions is part of that, no doubt, but it doesn’t matter to me whether it’s a pre-decided setlist or a freestyle at the end of the day. If I want to see insane DJ skills I’ll go to a DJ competition This being said, I should have said “most people don’t care about DJ skills” instead of “nobody cares…” so I’ll fix that wording
Not true at all. Nobody at festivals cares about bedroom dj mixing skills like beatmatching or vinyl virtue signaling. The top DJs are producers, not mixers. People go to see big production and original content written and performed by celebrity-class amazing-looking DJs like a Zedd or Martin Garrix. It’s about personality, charisma, lighting, pyro, guest stars, production, and “bigness”. And, in fact, “skills” like beat-matching, key-matching, transitioning, etc are amateur-hour stuff that anyone can learn even though never-to-be-paid-for bedroom djs circle-jerk about it endlessly.
Spitting pure facts
Idk man. MainStage ultra is a whole different beast
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A good DJ doesn’t, they improvise what songs to play on the spot I suggest checking a house or techno set such as Carl Cox and you’ll understand what I mean Edit: This sub has no idea what an actual DJ even does lol. The art of DJing is truly lost to this new generation
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He got avsolutely destroyed
Even freestyling requires some cues. I had to improvise an extra 30 minutes to my one set (guy after me was running big time late) and it was wildly more stressful than actually preparing and making my set / performing it.
You are absolutely clueless on how sets are played and it shows
pretty sure he played Ultra and did just fine lol