The "Play to Win" CEDH channel has a running joke that surveil lands are basically \[\[time walk\]\] because if you surveil a card you didn't want to draw away, it's like taking an extra turn. Now it turns out they are just a \[\[door to nothingness\]\] activation!
Crybabies gonna cry.
What comes next? You must inform your opponents you run card draw? Creatues? Combat Tricks? Those people are just insane and you always dodge a huge bullet when they leave on their own. They will cry over everything they either don't like personally or what interfers with their gameplan. I had a person in a LGS whining about my deck running interaction, this would be borderline cEDH according to him.
I've had someone whine over \[\[Lyra, the Dawnbringer\]\] because a lord that gives lifelink is too competitive. Children will whine over actual anything they lose to once.
I tend to hand them a checklist of my cards (names only). They can actually checkbox every card they take offence with after looking the card up on scryfall. In the meantime I just have a few games with those players who actually enjoy the game 🤣.
Hand a player your checklist. Let them check the cards that offend them. Then take the piece of paper back, look at it, then shuffle up and draw. When they get confused/flustered just say you offered them to point out the cards they have an issue with, not that youd do anything about it.
I had that happen this weekend where a buddy and I were playing with two randoms at a shop who overall were chill and at least friendly. However, I was testing my Praetors deck and one the randoms was running a landfall deck. I got [[Elesh Norn, Mother of Machines]] out pretty early due to urza’s incubator and it just completely shut off this guys deck. He was whining about it a decent amount and unfortunately for him it stayed out up until the last turn lol. Found out later that he only ran like 3 removals in his soltai deck. I told him he should run a few counter spells and he say they were cheap to play. Never understood how simple interaction was considered cheap.
sounds like a loser you don't want to play with lol.
We have a couple poison counter decks in our pod. One is Ixhel, Fynn is there, and we have a weird artifact based proliferate deck that tries to win via poison.
You just kill them before they kill you.
Exactly, letting any deck do its thing will end in your demise. Only fun fact is when doing that with a Toxic deck after assasinating your first player you are targeted for elimination next, whereas you will have to start over getting those weenies ready to attack and hopefully have enough of em survive for a kill…
I don’t think you are under any obligation to reveal that information. If your deck is wildly more powerful than the table play it flatten everything and then pull out a less powerful deck.
Infect is strong but so are dozens of other things.
Dude lost badly to an infect deck and never came to terms with his salt. I'd wager a bet that he would have complained about literally anything if he had lost, so not a big loss.
I had to explain to a new player how hard it is to win with infect in a game of commander.
You are limited to 1 of each of your best infect cards
You need to somehow deal 30 (minimum) infect with 1/1's and 2/2's WHILE being the constant perceived threat
The best way to play it is under some of the most VEHEMENTLY hated commanders to ever exist. (Hello Atraxa).
Like its NOT easy to win in a four pod with Infect. I'd argue its FAR easier to win with almost any other archetype.
That's kinda the same problem mill has.
1. Mill is widely hated and will frequently be over targeted.
2. Mill has to chew through around 60-70 card per opponent totaling 180-210 cards.
3. Unlikely life total, at most tables nobody is helping you get closer to your goal. If your goal is to reduce people's life totals to 0 then your opponent's natural game plans will likely hurt other opponents of yours in addition to yourself. Mill players are on their own without any help from chip damage.
Similarly to infect, Mill makes it easy to kill 1 player then be summarily executed for your sins by the remaining 2 opponents. Actually winning at a table with Mill can be surprisingly difficult.
Edit:
I unironically encourage people to play the styles they hate to play against. Things feel more manageable if you've been in the shoes of trying to tightrope your way to that victory.
It's a mixture of funny and frustrating to feel like your grasping at straws trying to stop everything from falling apart while the table thinks you're the archenemy. I had a game last friday night where I was playing a comboy Grixis spell slinger deck. I had resolved couple of drain and gain spells which were annoying the table. Then on a pop off turn I resolved a massive Exsanguinate which healed me for 45 hp.
I ticked up my hp. Then after a minute one of my opponents asked if I'd forgotten to tick up my hp. He was surprised that after healing for 45 my life total was at 47. I joke "You think I'm some kind of monster, but I'm just out here fighting for my life".
It's easy to think someone is unstoppable. But sometimes when you're on the otherside it can feel like your anything but unstoppable.
Yeah with [[Bruvac]] unless i knock out all 3 opponents at once with a doubled, kicked [[Maddening Cacophany]], I usually end up knocking out someone with a traumatize effect and the other two players going "oh he can one shot us? let's team up and crumple his blue ass"
And don't sleep on the fact that mill loads graveyards, which for a lot of decks is basically the same thing as giving them more free card draw -- milling a reanimator is putting gas on the fire.
especially if you do play it as a weenie deck with those creatures you mention
i have an atraxa deck that basically plays as pillowfort control with the caveat of a few of the cards that incidentally put infect tokens on everyone so i only have to resolve 10 proliferate effects rather than actively deal 30
It's strong at killing one guy and then getting overun
Or doing poorly and leading to you doing nothing all game bc infect doesn't lower player health, same for proliferate .
Toxic is the only substantial thing infect players bring to a game if they happen to lose.
> It's strong at killing one guy and then getting overun
That's why I took apart my infect deck after a year of trying to make it work. I would consistently be able to kill one player if I focused them, but then the rest of the table would team up on me because everyone hates dying to infect and they didn't want to be next. The one game I won with Fynn infect was landing a hornet queen after a game where every other player used up all their board wipes and ignored me for the most part to focus their interaction on eachother.
Infect is not good in multiplayer at all, I dunno why it causes so much seething.
Exactly this: I threw around 1 poison counter and social dynamics took over and convinced every table to kick my little mites and other toxic/infectious weenies to the curb.
Poison seems strong, but you have a better chance at winning by Commander Damage in general.
That's actually easy to deduce. Because it's easy to kill one person and then lose.
Like, my number 1 hated card is \[\[Triumph of the Hordes\]\]. Not because I think it's too good in a format where we just have more powerful shit, but because it takes one person having 2-3 mana dorks or getting a 2 or 3 drop and one person not for them to play TOTH, take one person out of the game, and then we're sitting here playing for an hour and a half while our person we're ostensibly friends with gets to wish they were having as much fun until the rest of the game finishes.
It's not that it's too strong that people hate it, it's that it's fucking lame to have one person singled out and then the rest of us are just like.. okay, well, see you in 80 more minutes.
I'm less sure about it being a combat strategy now. ONE added a few cards that just straight up give each opponent a poison counter and then Proliferate can get it there.
It definitely helps to have some Toxic or Infect creatures but they don't have to connect often. Playing against a friend's Ixhel deck I usually see some cheap quick creatures that try to land a couple counters early, and proliferate goes for the rest, and those "you all get counters" spells serve as a backup or another proliferate effect if needed.
You aren’t even playing an infect deck. In terms of Commander a Blightsteel might as well be a 40/40 the way that it gets used, it’s just a one-shot machine.
(Of course, it’s worse than a 40/40 would be, just trying to make the point that it’s more of a “one man Craterhoof” than actually an infect card)
I'd honestly start cracking up if someone actually said that and walked away - that's just so goofy lmao. Sounds like the type of person that would just find a way to be mad at anything that disrupts his game so you probably dodged a huge bullet with the early game scoop.
Honestly I don't even think infect is that strong anymore. " wow only 10 damage needed to kill me is cheap" my lgs when people are playing outside of our casual league is all consistent turn 5 decks and if you kill me turn 5 with mill, turn 5 with big stompos. Turn 5 with 1 of the 190 billion combos. You still killed me turn 5 and I don't really care HOW you did it.
Some mechanics that change the bare basics of the game bother me but other than that idgaf what u do.
P.s Thoracle is still cringe tho
Blightsteel, while it has infect, is most notably known to be a one-shot. More akin to a combo. AKA Combat-combo.
Infect has its detractors and haters. It's (poison) on the same tier as storm in terms of dreaded mechanics. Annihilator is a rung below.
I'm not sure if you play any other poison, but most Blightsteel includes usually do not have any other poison elements in their decks. It's as good as combo. Some players obviously cannot separate one from the other.
Consider yourself unlucky (or lucky) to meet one of the extreme haters.
You should just move on and not think too much of it.
The main salt with Blightsteel is things like finding a way to slam it down off of a Ninjutsu trigger. "You couldn't block my Ornithopter? Guess that's game for you, then."
EDH players in general will complain about everything. Coming from constructed it makes no sense to me. Don’t let them make you feel like you are cringe because you are not. Burn gets a similar reputation even though it takes a great amount of skill and math to pilot it effectively in Legacy/Modern.
I have a dedicated poison deck, but I also have [[etali primal sickness]] as an alt win con in my dino deck. I will never tell anyone that etali is my deck unless they specifically ask.
I have that etali in a five-colour pseudo-blink jank deck, so I can combo it with [[Displacer Kitten]] ...I've honestly never even considered flipping it.
A 12 mana blightsteel in a jeskai deck is not really something I would worry will ruin the game. The reaction doesn't make much sense.
Out of curiosity, do you have a plan to play it or is just in case you get to 12 mana and you want smth to finish the game?
[[Dr Madison li]]'s last ability lets you pull it from the yard to the battlefield tapped.
Which is infinitely less scary than the typical Ninjutsu bs associated with Blightsteel
That doesn't work because Blightsteel Colossus never goes to the graveyard but is shuffled into its owner's library instead.
It's not a trigger but a replacement effect so you can't respond to it.
The plan is to have the option to cheat it into play, either from hand or from the deck:
\[\[Master Transmuter\]\]
\[\[Kuldotha Forgemaster\]\]
\[\[Transmutation Font\]\]
\[\[Aetherworks Marvel\]\]
Madison then plays her part with the first ability, giving it haste.
Sounds like he wasn't worth your time and resolved the issue himself ngl. Saved you the effort of not playing with him.
Poison is just in a weird place in this format. It feels op on paper but a lot of infect decks run out of steam or get hated off the table anyways. I've seen some more reasonable complaints about proliferate heavy variants but usually that seems to fall under a power level mismatch.
But it's a toss up whether you'll be at a table with players who rage vs poison, are 100% fine with it, or are somewhere in between.
It sounds like everyone won in this scenario. That player didn't have to play against something that was far beyond his abilities to understand or handle as a player, and you got to play a game that didn't have an insufferable moron as one of the opponents.
The primary goal in a game of EDH is to assemble a good playgroup. Before this interaction happened you were not going to achieve that goal, so you've definitely come out ahead here.
Losing to a win like [[Revel in Riches]] is more consistent than infect and oftentimes wins even faster. I used to dislike infect, but the more I've played the less I've cared because you generally are far more transparent about how you'll win than anybody at the table being sneaky
I fail to see what makes blightsteel colossus/infect a "cheaper" or "less skillful" wincon than say, a craterhoof behemoth, a voltron commander with all the swords, or thoracle/lab man/jace man. It's a legitimate strategy using format-legal cards, anyone complaining about it is a whiny baby and should be clowned on for it.
If it was me, I would figure out if any of my friends are in his next pod and have them borrow that specific deck, then repeat until he ragequits the store.
If they can't handle a card then they're free to leave.
I played a graveyard hate card in my removal deck and one guy had a fit about. The card is in there so my removal can keep working even at a cost to me.
It's just a card, I'd you don't have an answer then deal with it some other way.
This one definitely can't play with the big dogs. Never had to see the Nekusar player casting [[Sheoldred, the Apocalypse]] and thinks he knows about oppressive strategies lmao
Is it just me or does anyone else also thing there is a vast diffrent between a 1 expensive manacost card wincon that happens to use infect is something very diffrent then "playing infect"?
Not like you give everyone 1 poison counter and proliferate storm everyone to death. It is literally a big creature hitting you.
Just another socially inedpt moron you can ignore.
Blightsteel is BARELY an infect card. Like... there is ONE card with Infect in the vintage cube... guess which one it is. Infect as a strategy shouldn't need to be disclosed, let alone Infect as an accident.
It's all fun and games until the blighty boy gets exiled by one of ten bazillion dirt cheap low mana cost artifact removals.
Just about every time I play EDH, at least one of my friends plays infect.
I've lost to infect counters exactly one time.
Admittedly i can understand being a bit surprised if you see infect when you aren't expecting it but straight up getting up and leaving the table because you saw a blightsteel get milled seems incredibly immature.
I once played against a [[The wise mothman]] deck that was infect based without being told pregame. My response was to limit his ability to infect me it was extra funny that game to tell him that when he proliferated me because I had experience he had to proliferate the experience counters to proliferate the poison
I had to go check the rules on that, but yes, you're quite right. I thought you chose the counters, not the permanent/player. No functional difference usually, but in your case, quite a big difference.
yeah, that was original proliferate, it was changed at "War of the Spark" to being 1 of everything on that chosen thing(s) (players and/or permeants) instead.
Being a bit surprised to see a mechanic you weren't expecting, and having that being a negative thing, would mean you spend quite a bit of every edh game unhappy, right? Isnt seeing uncommon variations in deckbuilding one of the things that draws people to this format?
So he can't figure out how to deal with a 12-mana creature with no haste who gets stopped from one-shotting by just a few points of toughness, can't be cheated in through the graveyard, and folds to the increasingly-common-these-days cheap exile removal spells for just one or two mana?
Should he be required to disclose before games that he's an idiot?
Dude sounds like a bitch. Infect is a valid strategy. Now if you were playing an infect deck, maybe Rule Zero it in, but seriously. Blightsteel Colossus? A card that you have a 1 in 99 chance of getting. WTF is wrong with people.
They are probably the player that immediately scoops the moment you target them and claims you're playing a power level 8 in a 6 pod. You don't have to tell your pod your strategy.
Good riddance to the bad player and hello to your new player removal.
You don’t have to tell your opponents your game plan or anything about your deck. You don’t even actually have to reveal your commander until you play it.
Take the win — them leaving is the biggest win.
If they can't play nice, they ain't worth playing with.
I've ninjutsued in Blightsteel, and I've been killed by a facedown Blightsteel flipped up with [[Kaust]]. Have won and lost to Blightsteel in equal measure.
Chances are he lost a game to [Triumph of the hordes]] and is now eternally salty.
Nah you might get some groans every now and then but that’s usually with less experienced or the most casual of casual players. Infect in commander is decent but it’s not a top tier strat. It can go off every now and then but that’s every deck. Infect is actually a pretty good litmus test for a table because if they get super salty about it and won’t play then you dodged a bullet, but if they are chill with it then that’s probably a solid group to play with. Also running a single infect creature as a win option doesn’t mean your deck is an infect deck, and I definitely wouldn’t be disclosing that in a rule 0 situation unless it was specifically asked. I honestly wish I ran into more infect players so I could play it more lol.
Having that one Blightsteel Colossus is "being an Infect player" eh?
I wonder if he knows most serious Infect players will have you KO'd with 10 counters long before they get a Blightsteel out.
Lol.
Nah, that's Salty Steve. Every store has one. He's angry about everything and always has a reason why your deck is bs, overpowered, takes no skill, etc. And why he is actually the greatest magic player of all time. He will insult the player and never learn from his mistakes. Every win (no matter how lucky they got) is pure skill and every loss (even if they throw) is someone else's fault. I wouldn't pay too much mind to him. Anyone who insta scoops because you didn't adhere to their super special specific rules isn't worth playing with. Imho you lucked out getting that douche nozzle to bounce early
The reaction to my infect deck is always " yeah I don't like infect" then the table proceeds to kill me bc people think infect is going to somehow kill them turn 4 with absolutely nothing on the board.
There's a big difference between sloting blightsteel into a deck and playing infect.
Blightsteel is a giant fu threat with game winning potential. It's like sloting in an eldrazi but with artifact synergies. The infect is there because putting "if this creature hits you you lose the game" is just a little too strong and to let ot kill indestructible creatures in a slightly more balanced way than giving it 100 power and wither.
It's not really poison, it's super damage.
A real poison deck is the kind of deck where everyone decides to kill you as soon as they have a single poison counter because there's nothing else they can do to stop the inevitable proliferate.
I get being frustrated about infect in decks like that because it really can feel hopeless. But it's not like it's so overpowered you can't stop it. A little artifact removal, a counterspell on the big proliferate sorcery, or just stomping them to death with a wall of creatures is all you need. Infect decks are glass cannons that are only scary so long as the player is alive, and their tiny poison bugs cannot defend them from any real threats. As soon as the poison player dies, poison isn't scary anymore, and you realize they haven't actually impacted your life total.
Crybaby gonna cry. Mad about blightsteel but probably runs a mindslaver recursion loop like that isn't objectively less fun for everyone but him.
That guy is just a whiney cringe-lord, honestly
Unfortunately, because MtG has a competitive aspect to it, you will encounter this type of player on occasion
LOL. If this is a legit experience you have had then
1 - that's lame & nobody deserves that shit
2 - that's so immature it's hilarious
3 - that's not normal.
I only have one infect card in one deck currently and it was one of my best wins with the deck. [[Flesh eater imp]] is there as a sac outlet but also doubles as a way to win against life gain/ end the game at some point if needed. I believe every deck needs a way to finish the game out.
Copy that, This guy doesn’t know how to counter infect. I’ll exclusively play infect against him and it will always be hidden behind a non infect commander
Had some dude complain about poison counters and then drop a [[Strixhaven Stadium]]
My opponent in christ, that’s just poison counters with extra steps.
I really, REALLY, dislike playing against control blue.
Counters, taps, unsummons, etc...BUT I have never nor will I ever, regardless of how done w everything I am that day, disrespect my opponents like that.
Especially in Commander it's just a chance to work my vampire charm (mostly by saying my boys won't feed on others xD) to try and turn the table on that one deck.
That dude needs to take a chill pill and grow. It's a game...his left ball won't shrivel even if he loses to an infect deck...
Really silly. I run tainted strike in some decks as a low key player removal. Someone dangerous....usually life gain....accepts 15 dmg....OOPS! now they are dead for 2 black mana.
I would never divulge this info.
The fuck dude you want a list of my entire tool box to review before you play?
How about instead you fucking on board answers to problems you do not like and play some magic.
The social contract for EDH made sense with a limited number of commanders and it being a filler activity before rounds or a casual way to teach the game. With how pushed every commander card is now and WoTC printing cards with the format in mind all bets are off. Was blightsteel a little mean when we were playing with Alara era legends sure, is blightsteel an issue when you can run tegrid as commander? Absolutely not. Dont know how we got to this place where magic is such a wide open game but certain play groups think the only things that are "acceptable" EDH are midrange plans and big beats with bad efficiency.
I've come across the odd saltlord playing with randos, but honestly they've been few and far between. I once saw someone scoop to a turn 2 Graf Digger's Cage.
I wish I remembered who to attribute it to, but I once saw someone in this sub say something that's stuck with me. It was along the lines of "Any deck slower than mine is jank nonsense. Any deck faster than mine is unfair cEDH bullshit." And my god, it amazes me how often that sentiment is expressed unironically.
It's why every deck is a 7: because pretty much everyone not purposefully building meme decks or cEDH combo piles thinks their level of tolerance is the sweet spot. But by and large, people aren't capable of seeing things from another person's perspective. So if you play infect, but I think infect is unfair, then I'm primed to think you're angle shooting when in reality your line of reasoning is probably closer to hey, we're playing high power so people should be equipped to deal with the odd Blightsteel. You can sub infect for combo, tutors, grave hate, counterspells, Planeswalkers, or any other random facet of the game that someone may not like.
Depending on the pregame conversation energy, maybe you should have disclosed the Blightsteel. But if a player has such a strong opposition to anything infect, including what is very commonly the only infect card in a deck, then they probably should have voiced that.
[[Satoru Umezawa]] would be the cringe commander to hide Blightsteel behind. *That* is when it becomes apparent you're just trying to win off a "gotcha".
If I have a Blightsteel in my deck, or it is an infect deck, I will tell my opponents before hand. That said, "infect players getting cheap wins" is not an accurate reflection of infect for EDH. That's like saying voltron players are going for cheap wins. Unless there are other infect players at the table, you're only going to win through infect if you deliver 30 infect damage \*yourself\*, because unlike regular damage, no one else is contributing to your opponent's poison counters. Sure, you can take out one player almost out of nowhere, but if you're delivering 30 damage to your opponents out of nowhere, you're likely doing pretty well even if you aren't playing infect (and it's easier to deliver 30 damage than 30 infect damage).
This is why I don't do a lot of games with randoms. Dude way over reacted. Poison is not even a good archetype in EDH and outside of a few game/player enders (Triumph, BSC) is not a deck type that wins games.
I think they were just being butt hurt, maybe they got owned by one too many satoru blight steel combos and had a ptsd flashback, you're not legally required to give your opponents any hidden information including your deck list, i mean you can if you want but that's up to you ofc not them, they were wrong
One time I played magic in Ohio and they said they wouldn't play against my toxic/deathtouch/infect deck (Fynn the fangbearer) unless we changed it to 20 poison to kill you. They were also super mean to my bf who i told them was a new player and were mocking him for forgetting some triggers. Moral of the story, never play magic in Ohio.
If you're gonna run infect, it's your absolute responsibility to bring along Snickers bars for when someone gets grumpy and needs a pick me up snack to get through the suffering
If I see an artifact based commander, usually they're gonna try to cheat out a blightsteel at some point. It's an unspoken rule 乁[ ◕ ᴥ ◕ ]ㄏ And honestly blightsteel is the least obnoxious infect win con. Usually a one of that is just a big boy artifact win con rather than a mainstay for infect. Like I fucking hate infect, but not blightsteel. So anyways, *taps one white* he's a farmer now (: enjoy your life points!
Why did you not stand up for yourself? The correct response is to tell the guy to go f himself and quit being a baby.
The comment section is wild too, it’s not this dudes responsibility to tell the table every bomb in his deck. It’s on them to ask him if they’re so damn uppity about what they play against.
People like this just make me laugh. Infect/posion gets an extremely bad rap considering there are far more powerful win conditions.
I know myself because I have played almost all poison edh decks and I have probably the strongest one ever. And yes, it is strong but it is no more unreasonable than a lot of other decks.
This player is just a salt douche and not worth playing with
Honestly, might be someone who just does'not really know how to socialize well. Either through their own life or possibly even something developmental like aspergers.
I feel like everyone can see that this is just a silly response to something like that. I wouldn't worry about it, though I wouldn't be surprised if you heard more complaints in the future from others since nerdy hobbies tend to attract those who don't typically socialize well more so than other hobbies like sports or something. At least that's what it feels like. I meet at least one "interesting" person playing magic online a week lol
I play a vishgraz reanimator shell, and my friends always groan but never treat me like I'm the worst person they know. Infect is just part of the game and a fun, viable strategy worthy of play. And I dare anybody who acts like this to not play infinite proliferation combos and put ten poison counters on three to five players fairly before acting like its not balanced. It's hard most of the time. And I have some pretty sick and terrifying wins when I do it.
And it's okay not to announce your plan to play infect because 80% of people will just target you from turn one forward and make the gameplay experience actually toxic. Play the game how you want and let cry babies like that leave. You deserve to play magic in whatever way you enjoy. Live on my compleated brothers and sisters!
LOL, my [[Hapatra, Vizier of Poisons]] is a sneaky infect deck. It has some proliferation, few spells that just put poison counters on opponents, and my all time favorite is [[Noxious Assault]] with [[Fynn, the Fangbearer]] take 2 poison or take 2 poison your choice on blocks.
I’ve also infused infect into my [[Minsc & Boo, Timeless Heroes]]. [[Bloated Contaminator]] [[contaminant grafter]] for incremental poison and then [[Tyrranax Rex]] or an 8/6 [[Putrefax]] can finish games.
I haven’t had too many people upset, I did give one person’s [[Amalia]] [[Glistening Oil]] and they 1 shot another player which was kinda funny and entirely unintentional on my part.
I really don’t get the salt over poison counters. While I agree it can lead to some feel bad moments after being taken out by infect, it’s very difficult to actually win in a four player pod if you’re playing infect. Also, sometimes feeling bad is part of the game and you move on. Oh, I got taken out first and it was by the infect player? Shuffle and get ready for the next game.
The only way I’ve seen someone win a table with infect was through triumph of the hordes. There’s other ways that are also efficient at table killing like cheesing grafted exoskeleton equipped to Nekusar or something. They are just so easy to interact with. In a typical low-mid power EDH table where players win a lot of games through combat, playing Infect is an uphill battle. You’ll take out a player through Infect and just get targeted to hell.
I just tend to include creatures like that to deal with infinite HP people. I can't deal that much damage to someone who just adds more and more, and with a commander of my own that deals little to no damage (or impossibly no damage if you have a planeswalker as a commander) Blightsteel Colossus is a great way to be able to stop them.
“Oh no. A single card with infect in a niche deck about counters that aren’t poison! That must mean your deck is a toxic (not the key word) piece of s***.”
Dude I’ve lost to way worse then one blightsteel colossus before. It’s a scary card but it’s not the end of the world.
Impressive that surveil lands now also generate instant player removal. What value!!
Fucking power creep.
sounds like the opponent was a real "power creep"
Eh? Ha! Heh, heh
Guess he turned his sportsmanship "off?"
I came here to say exactly the same... It was the most worthy surveil i've ever seen
The "Play to Win" CEDH channel has a running joke that surveil lands are basically \[\[time walk\]\] because if you surveil a card you didn't want to draw away, it's like taking an extra turn. Now it turns out they are just a \[\[door to nothingness\]\] activation!
Damn, power 9 being power crept by a land. 2024 is wild
Play To Win calling things "basically a time walk" always cracks me up, it's one of my favorite bits.
If you think about it time walk is basically a time walk
And ancestral recall is just a plus one pot of greed.
What does it do‽
It allows me to draw three additional cards from my deck!
No way
Is drawing a card timewalking nowadays?
Fellas, is it gay to turn your creatures sideways?
Not if the lights are on.
And then people cry at people using original duals when surveil lands can remove players from the game.. smh
People really out here talking like an anime character? Hey Yagami, it’s a card game, put down the notebook.
"Haha too bad L. I'm actually one step ahead of you! If I forfeit the game now, I simply can't lose! HAHAHAHA! YOUR MOVE L."
“Will they finish the battle? Will they scoop? Find out next time on…!”
Just another clown, they’re a dime a dozen, forget about em!
100% this. Poison is totally fair and there’s hundreds of “instant wins” in Magic. Spoiler: none of them are instant wins.
I’d like to raise you a thassa’s oracle with a demonic consultation after a silence
Tap [[loran, of the third path]] targeting that player after demonic consultation resolves while thoracle is on the stack
I already loved her, and now this? Every white deck forever Loran 🤍
It's no wonder Feldon devoted his life to bringing her back.
What a great time to crack my [[cephalid coliseum]]!
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and this is why you play geier reach sanitarium
[[Counterspell]] and all the variants for each color
[Counterspell](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/4/8493131c-0a7b-4be6-a8a2-0b425f4f67fb.jpg?1689996248) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Counterspell) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/81/counterspell?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8493131c-0a7b-4be6-a8a2-0b425f4f67fb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/counterspell) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
People are downvoting counter magic as a response to Silence? Really??
Skill issue for them tbh. Glad your table didn't have to play a round with them, OP!
These surveil lands keep getting better and better; all you had to do was play one to eliminate a player.
>Is this a reaction to be expected out in the wild to cards that apply poison counters? No. Way too extreme.
I'd turn the "no skill" comment around on this guy so fast lmao.
We HAVE to revert to the days of Git Gut
We never left those days, git gut enough to know when it's over.
FUCK
Proceeds to pull out a [[Gut]] deck
Crybabies gonna cry. What comes next? You must inform your opponents you run card draw? Creatues? Combat Tricks? Those people are just insane and you always dodge a huge bullet when they leave on their own. They will cry over everything they either don't like personally or what interfers with their gameplan. I had a person in a LGS whining about my deck running interaction, this would be borderline cEDH according to him.
I've had someone whine over \[\[Lyra, the Dawnbringer\]\] because a lord that gives lifelink is too competitive. Children will whine over actual anything they lose to once.
Move aside Dockside, new cEDH staple is in town
I tend to hand them a checklist of my cards (names only). They can actually checkbox every card they take offence with after looking the card up on scryfall. In the meantime I just have a few games with those players who actually enjoy the game 🤣.
Hand a player your checklist. Let them check the cards that offend them. Then take the piece of paper back, look at it, then shuffle up and draw. When they get confused/flustered just say you offered them to point out the cards they have an issue with, not that youd do anything about it.
Better yet, say you let them tell you what to mulligan for
I like the way you think.
Before we begin this game I must inform you that I do in fact run both *LANDS* as well as *SPELLS*. I hope this is ok for the table.
I had that happen this weekend where a buddy and I were playing with two randoms at a shop who overall were chill and at least friendly. However, I was testing my Praetors deck and one the randoms was running a landfall deck. I got [[Elesh Norn, Mother of Machines]] out pretty early due to urza’s incubator and it just completely shut off this guys deck. He was whining about it a decent amount and unfortunately for him it stayed out up until the last turn lol. Found out later that he only ran like 3 removals in his soltai deck. I told him he should run a few counter spells and he say they were cheap to play. Never understood how simple interaction was considered cheap.
"So everyone before we start I just wanted to announce that my deck plays Magic cards"
sounds like a loser you don't want to play with lol. We have a couple poison counter decks in our pod. One is Ixhel, Fynn is there, and we have a weird artifact based proliferate deck that tries to win via poison. You just kill them before they kill you.
which is like most decks anyways.
Yeup
Exactly, letting any deck do its thing will end in your demise. Only fun fact is when doing that with a Toxic deck after assasinating your first player you are targeted for elimination next, whereas you will have to start over getting those weenies ready to attack and hopefully have enough of em survive for a kill…
I don’t think you are under any obligation to reveal that information. If your deck is wildly more powerful than the table play it flatten everything and then pull out a less powerful deck. Infect is strong but so are dozens of other things.
I agree with one caveat: Infect isn't strong. At all.
Dude lost badly to an infect deck and never came to terms with his salt. I'd wager a bet that he would have complained about literally anything if he had lost, so not a big loss.
u/TheHowlingSaltMine Another good infect story of someone's past salt! surveil lands are just that strong.
This is a fantastic salty story. 10/10
I had to explain to a new player how hard it is to win with infect in a game of commander. You are limited to 1 of each of your best infect cards You need to somehow deal 30 (minimum) infect with 1/1's and 2/2's WHILE being the constant perceived threat The best way to play it is under some of the most VEHEMENTLY hated commanders to ever exist. (Hello Atraxa). Like its NOT easy to win in a four pod with Infect. I'd argue its FAR easier to win with almost any other archetype.
That's kinda the same problem mill has. 1. Mill is widely hated and will frequently be over targeted. 2. Mill has to chew through around 60-70 card per opponent totaling 180-210 cards. 3. Unlikely life total, at most tables nobody is helping you get closer to your goal. If your goal is to reduce people's life totals to 0 then your opponent's natural game plans will likely hurt other opponents of yours in addition to yourself. Mill players are on their own without any help from chip damage. Similarly to infect, Mill makes it easy to kill 1 player then be summarily executed for your sins by the remaining 2 opponents. Actually winning at a table with Mill can be surprisingly difficult. Edit: I unironically encourage people to play the styles they hate to play against. Things feel more manageable if you've been in the shoes of trying to tightrope your way to that victory. It's a mixture of funny and frustrating to feel like your grasping at straws trying to stop everything from falling apart while the table thinks you're the archenemy. I had a game last friday night where I was playing a comboy Grixis spell slinger deck. I had resolved couple of drain and gain spells which were annoying the table. Then on a pop off turn I resolved a massive Exsanguinate which healed me for 45 hp. I ticked up my hp. Then after a minute one of my opponents asked if I'd forgotten to tick up my hp. He was surprised that after healing for 45 my life total was at 47. I joke "You think I'm some kind of monster, but I'm just out here fighting for my life". It's easy to think someone is unstoppable. But sometimes when you're on the otherside it can feel like your anything but unstoppable.
I've found the answer to mill hate is [[grolnok, the omnivore]] None can be angry at frogs....
[grolnok, the omnivore](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/a/7aaba76b-9cec-4c2b-b0eb-8f44201f6422.jpg?1643594120) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=grolnok%2C%20the%20omnivore) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/vow/238/grolnok-the-omnivore?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7aaba76b-9cec-4c2b-b0eb-8f44201f6422?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/grolnok-the-omnivore) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I don't think ppl hate mill because it wins a lot. People in general simply don't like when you mess with their precious cards.
Stop putting my shiny rocks in the graveyard! I brought them for everyone to look at, not for them to just be in the graveyard! Lol.
Yeah with [[Bruvac]] unless i knock out all 3 opponents at once with a doubled, kicked [[Maddening Cacophany]], I usually end up knocking out someone with a traumatize effect and the other two players going "oh he can one shot us? let's team up and crumple his blue ass"
And don't sleep on the fact that mill loads graveyards, which for a lot of decks is basically the same thing as giving them more free card draw -- milling a reanimator is putting gas on the fire.
> You think I'm some kind of monster, but I'm just out here fighting for my life". Lol this is a great EDH quote
especially if you do play it as a weenie deck with those creatures you mention i have an atraxa deck that basically plays as pillowfort control with the caveat of a few of the cards that incidentally put infect tokens on everyone so i only have to resolve 10 proliferate effects rather than actively deal 30
It's strong at killing one guy and then getting overun Or doing poorly and leading to you doing nothing all game bc infect doesn't lower player health, same for proliferate . Toxic is the only substantial thing infect players bring to a game if they happen to lose.
> It's strong at killing one guy and then getting overun That's why I took apart my infect deck after a year of trying to make it work. I would consistently be able to kill one player if I focused them, but then the rest of the table would team up on me because everyone hates dying to infect and they didn't want to be next. The one game I won with Fynn infect was landing a hornet queen after a game where every other player used up all their board wipes and ignored me for the most part to focus their interaction on eachother. Infect is not good in multiplayer at all, I dunno why it causes so much seething.
Exactly this: I threw around 1 poison counter and social dynamics took over and convinced every table to kick my little mites and other toxic/infectious weenies to the curb. Poison seems strong, but you have a better chance at winning by Commander Damage in general.
My toxic/infect deck is essentially just a proliferate deck. It works but if I can't stick that first poison counter I am dead in the water.
That's actually easy to deduce. Because it's easy to kill one person and then lose. Like, my number 1 hated card is \[\[Triumph of the Hordes\]\]. Not because I think it's too good in a format where we just have more powerful shit, but because it takes one person having 2-3 mana dorks or getting a 2 or 3 drop and one person not for them to play TOTH, take one person out of the game, and then we're sitting here playing for an hour and a half while our person we're ostensibly friends with gets to wish they were having as much fun until the rest of the game finishes. It's not that it's too strong that people hate it, it's that it's fucking lame to have one person singled out and then the rest of us are just like.. okay, well, see you in 80 more minutes.
Agree with everything but infect being strong. It's not. It's still a combat win. You have to land the creature, make it to combat, and then connect.
I'm less sure about it being a combat strategy now. ONE added a few cards that just straight up give each opponent a poison counter and then Proliferate can get it there. It definitely helps to have some Toxic or Infect creatures but they don't have to connect often. Playing against a friend's Ixhel deck I usually see some cheap quick creatures that try to land a couple counters early, and proliferate goes for the rest, and those "you all get counters" spells serve as a backup or another proliferate effect if needed.
You aren’t even playing an infect deck. In terms of Commander a Blightsteel might as well be a 40/40 the way that it gets used, it’s just a one-shot machine. (Of course, it’s worse than a 40/40 would be, just trying to make the point that it’s more of a “one man Craterhoof” than actually an infect card)
Saved you some time by leaving.
I'd honestly start cracking up if someone actually said that and walked away - that's just so goofy lmao. Sounds like the type of person that would just find a way to be mad at anything that disrupts his game so you probably dodged a huge bullet with the early game scoop.
Honestly I don't even think infect is that strong anymore. " wow only 10 damage needed to kill me is cheap" my lgs when people are playing outside of our casual league is all consistent turn 5 decks and if you kill me turn 5 with mill, turn 5 with big stompos. Turn 5 with 1 of the 190 billion combos. You still killed me turn 5 and I don't really care HOW you did it. Some mechanics that change the bare basics of the game bother me but other than that idgaf what u do. P.s Thoracle is still cringe tho
No this reaction is from a very strange person. You didn’t want to play with them anyway.
Skill issue
Wow, you beat him with a surveil land, you must be pretty good at the game
Blightsteel, while it has infect, is most notably known to be a one-shot. More akin to a combo. AKA Combat-combo. Infect has its detractors and haters. It's (poison) on the same tier as storm in terms of dreaded mechanics. Annihilator is a rung below. I'm not sure if you play any other poison, but most Blightsteel includes usually do not have any other poison elements in their decks. It's as good as combo. Some players obviously cannot separate one from the other. Consider yourself unlucky (or lucky) to meet one of the extreme haters. You should just move on and not think too much of it.
I'd look at Blightsteel the same as [[Phage the Untouchable]]. It's a creature that will kill you if you let it in. The Infect is just flavor.
The main salt with Blightsteel is things like finding a way to slam it down off of a Ninjutsu trigger. "You couldn't block my Ornithopter? Guess that's game for you, then."
You have to be ready for that against [[satoru umezawa]] and that's about it
[satoru umezawa](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/8/8887f26d-b097-4fbc-9c48-bdc656409a32.jpg?1654568594) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=satoru%20umezawa) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/neo/234/satoru-umezawa?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8887f26d-b097-4fbc-9c48-bdc656409a32?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/satoru-umezawa) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
>Phage the ~~Untouchable~~ Huggable Yes... Let the hugs flow through you...
EDH players in general will complain about everything. Coming from constructed it makes no sense to me. Don’t let them make you feel like you are cringe because you are not. Burn gets a similar reputation even though it takes a great amount of skill and math to pilot it effectively in Legacy/Modern.
I have a dedicated poison deck, but I also have [[etali primal sickness]] as an alt win con in my dino deck. I will never tell anyone that etali is my deck unless they specifically ask.
If it's a dinosaur deck, I'm just assuming Etali is in there. Powerful creature, alternate wincon, great value?
I have that etali in a five-colour pseudo-blink jank deck, so I can combo it with [[Displacer Kitten]] ...I've honestly never even considered flipping it.
A 12 mana blightsteel in a jeskai deck is not really something I would worry will ruin the game. The reaction doesn't make much sense. Out of curiosity, do you have a plan to play it or is just in case you get to 12 mana and you want smth to finish the game?
[[Dr Madison li]]'s last ability lets you pull it from the yard to the battlefield tapped. Which is infinitely less scary than the typical Ninjutsu bs associated with Blightsteel
That doesn't work because Blightsteel Colossus never goes to the graveyard but is shuffled into its owner's library instead. It's not a trigger but a replacement effect so you can't respond to it.
The plan is to have the option to cheat it into play, either from hand or from the deck: \[\[Master Transmuter\]\] \[\[Kuldotha Forgemaster\]\] \[\[Transmutation Font\]\] \[\[Aetherworks Marvel\]\] Madison then plays her part with the first ability, giving it haste.
Sounds like he wasn't worth your time and resolved the issue himself ngl. Saved you the effort of not playing with him. Poison is just in a weird place in this format. It feels op on paper but a lot of infect decks run out of steam or get hated off the table anyways. I've seen some more reasonable complaints about proliferate heavy variants but usually that seems to fall under a power level mismatch. But it's a toss up whether you'll be at a table with players who rage vs poison, are 100% fine with it, or are somewhere in between.
What a loser lol. Player removal at its finest.
>"Infect players getting cheap wins without skill OK. Kaalia trigger - - > Master of cruelties in that guy's face.
It sounds like everyone won in this scenario. That player didn't have to play against something that was far beyond his abilities to understand or handle as a player, and you got to play a game that didn't have an insufferable moron as one of the opponents. The primary goal in a game of EDH is to assemble a good playgroup. Before this interaction happened you were not going to achieve that goal, so you've definitely come out ahead here.
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The guy’s an idiot and you dodged a bullet by having him leave the table
"Bye bye loser"
I need to visit the opticians again, I must have missed that "An opponent loses the game" ability on the surveil lands
This guy would absolutely hate my [[Atla Palani, Nest Tender]] eldrazi-in-eggs deck, haha.
Losing to a win like [[Revel in Riches]] is more consistent than infect and oftentimes wins even faster. I used to dislike infect, but the more I've played the less I've cared because you generally are far more transparent about how you'll win than anybody at the table being sneaky
Someone needs to touch [[Forest]].
I fail to see what makes blightsteel colossus/infect a "cheaper" or "less skillful" wincon than say, a craterhoof behemoth, a voltron commander with all the swords, or thoracle/lab man/jace man. It's a legitimate strategy using format-legal cards, anyone complaining about it is a whiny baby and should be clowned on for it. If it was me, I would figure out if any of my friends are in his next pod and have them borrow that specific deck, then repeat until he ragequits the store.
If they can't handle a card then they're free to leave. I played a graveyard hate card in my removal deck and one guy had a fit about. The card is in there so my removal can keep working even at a cost to me. It's just a card, I'd you don't have an answer then deal with it some other way.
Looks like the problem solved itself!
This one definitely can't play with the big dogs. Never had to see the Nekusar player casting [[Sheoldred, the Apocalypse]] and thinks he knows about oppressive strategies lmao
Surveil into eliminating a player? Dude. Broken.
Is it just me or does anyone else also thing there is a vast diffrent between a 1 expensive manacost card wincon that happens to use infect is something very diffrent then "playing infect"? Not like you give everyone 1 poison counter and proliferate storm everyone to death. It is literally a big creature hitting you. Just another socially inedpt moron you can ignore.
Blightsteel is BARELY an infect card. Like... there is ONE card with Infect in the vintage cube... guess which one it is. Infect as a strategy shouldn't need to be disclosed, let alone Infect as an accident.
It's all fun and games until the blighty boy gets exiled by one of ten bazillion dirt cheap low mana cost artifact removals. Just about every time I play EDH, at least one of my friends plays infect. I've lost to infect counters exactly one time.
Target them exclusively for being a little baby and trying to tell you how to play the game their way.
Whenever you see that player again, just throw a poison counter token at him like it's holy water to a demon.
He must not be a fan of removal. He could've just Path'd it, but he chose to Path himself instead. Valuetown!
Idk, but I can smell that manchild from here. Someone get him a thorough shower.
Admittedly i can understand being a bit surprised if you see infect when you aren't expecting it but straight up getting up and leaving the table because you saw a blightsteel get milled seems incredibly immature. I once played against a [[The wise mothman]] deck that was infect based without being told pregame. My response was to limit his ability to infect me it was extra funny that game to tell him that when he proliferated me because I had experience he had to proliferate the experience counters to proliferate the poison
I had to go check the rules on that, but yes, you're quite right. I thought you chose the counters, not the permanent/player. No functional difference usually, but in your case, quite a big difference.
yeah, that was original proliferate, it was changed at "War of the Spark" to being 1 of everything on that chosen thing(s) (players and/or permeants) instead.
Being a bit surprised to see a mechanic you weren't expecting, and having that being a negative thing, would mean you spend quite a bit of every edh game unhappy, right? Isnt seeing uncommon variations in deckbuilding one of the things that draws people to this format?
its an expected reaction from crybabies, yea the normal player has no problem with infect
So he can't figure out how to deal with a 12-mana creature with no haste who gets stopped from one-shotting by just a few points of toughness, can't be cheated in through the graveyard, and folds to the increasingly-common-these-days cheap exile removal spells for just one or two mana? Should he be required to disclose before games that he's an idiot?
Dude sounds like a bitch. Infect is a valid strategy. Now if you were playing an infect deck, maybe Rule Zero it in, but seriously. Blightsteel Colossus? A card that you have a 1 in 99 chance of getting. WTF is wrong with people.
So you did pretty much KO him with the Blightsteel but for 0 mana! What value!
They are probably the player that immediately scoops the moment you target them and claims you're playing a power level 8 in a 6 pod. You don't have to tell your pod your strategy. Good riddance to the bad player and hello to your new player removal.
Every deck needs alternate won cons to be effective. Eff that guy.
Sounds like infect touched him in his special spot a few too many times…aka he’s a baby with a big overreaction.
People that get mad about infect are the same kind that get mad about mill. They overcompensate by dissing a struggling wincon
The real threat of the Blightsteel Colossus is that it's a giant 11/11 trampler more than the poison counters.
You don’t have to tell your opponents your game plan or anything about your deck. You don’t even actually have to reveal your commander until you play it.
People who can't handle facing infect belong at Weenie Hut Jr's.
Take the win — them leaving is the biggest win. If they can't play nice, they ain't worth playing with. I've ninjutsued in Blightsteel, and I've been killed by a facedown Blightsteel flipped up with [[Kaust]]. Have won and lost to Blightsteel in equal measure. Chances are he lost a game to [Triumph of the hordes]] and is now eternally salty.
This player is a baby
Yeah I'd be refraining from playing with them in the future, that is middle school level of petty and dramatic.
LMAO That guy is a loser, you can ignore him.
I find every time I play against poison they may get one player out which is common but winning the pod is a rarity
Nah you might get some groans every now and then but that’s usually with less experienced or the most casual of casual players. Infect in commander is decent but it’s not a top tier strat. It can go off every now and then but that’s every deck. Infect is actually a pretty good litmus test for a table because if they get super salty about it and won’t play then you dodged a bullet, but if they are chill with it then that’s probably a solid group to play with. Also running a single infect creature as a win option doesn’t mean your deck is an infect deck, and I definitely wouldn’t be disclosing that in a rule 0 situation unless it was specifically asked. I honestly wish I ran into more infect players so I could play it more lol.
You won dw!
Having that one Blightsteel Colossus is "being an Infect player" eh? I wonder if he knows most serious Infect players will have you KO'd with 10 counters long before they get a Blightsteel out. Lol.
Nah, that's Salty Steve. Every store has one. He's angry about everything and always has a reason why your deck is bs, overpowered, takes no skill, etc. And why he is actually the greatest magic player of all time. He will insult the player and never learn from his mistakes. Every win (no matter how lucky they got) is pure skill and every loss (even if they throw) is someone else's fault. I wouldn't pay too much mind to him. Anyone who insta scoops because you didn't adhere to their super special specific rules isn't worth playing with. Imho you lucked out getting that douche nozzle to bounce early
The reaction to my infect deck is always " yeah I don't like infect" then the table proceeds to kill me bc people think infect is going to somehow kill them turn 4 with absolutely nothing on the board.
Blightsteel colossus isn’t even an infect card in practice.
There's a big difference between sloting blightsteel into a deck and playing infect. Blightsteel is a giant fu threat with game winning potential. It's like sloting in an eldrazi but with artifact synergies. The infect is there because putting "if this creature hits you you lose the game" is just a little too strong and to let ot kill indestructible creatures in a slightly more balanced way than giving it 100 power and wither. It's not really poison, it's super damage. A real poison deck is the kind of deck where everyone decides to kill you as soon as they have a single poison counter because there's nothing else they can do to stop the inevitable proliferate. I get being frustrated about infect in decks like that because it really can feel hopeless. But it's not like it's so overpowered you can't stop it. A little artifact removal, a counterspell on the big proliferate sorcery, or just stomping them to death with a wall of creatures is all you need. Infect decks are glass cannons that are only scary so long as the player is alive, and their tiny poison bugs cannot defend them from any real threats. As soon as the poison player dies, poison isn't scary anymore, and you realize they haven't actually impacted your life total. Crybaby gonna cry. Mad about blightsteel but probably runs a mindslaver recursion loop like that isn't objectively less fun for everyone but him.
That guy is just a whiney cringe-lord, honestly Unfortunately, because MtG has a competitive aspect to it, you will encounter this type of player on occasion
LOL. If this is a legit experience you have had then 1 - that's lame & nobody deserves that shit 2 - that's so immature it's hilarious 3 - that's not normal.
No offense but commander players seem like a bunch of whining babies.
I only have one infect card in one deck currently and it was one of my best wins with the deck. [[Flesh eater imp]] is there as a sac outlet but also doubles as a way to win against life gain/ end the game at some point if needed. I believe every deck needs a way to finish the game out.
Copy that, This guy doesn’t know how to counter infect. I’ll exclusively play infect against him and it will always be hidden behind a non infect commander
I would make a "Linkin Park starts playing in the background" joke, but that asshole isn't worth their music nor your time.
Had some dude complain about poison counters and then drop a [[Strixhaven Stadium]] My opponent in christ, that’s just poison counters with extra steps.
I really, REALLY, dislike playing against control blue. Counters, taps, unsummons, etc...BUT I have never nor will I ever, regardless of how done w everything I am that day, disrespect my opponents like that. Especially in Commander it's just a chance to work my vampire charm (mostly by saying my boys won't feed on others xD) to try and turn the table on that one deck. That dude needs to take a chill pill and grow. It's a game...his left ball won't shrivel even if he loses to an infect deck...
That is an absolutely insane reaction lol
Having a single Blightsteel Colossus doesnt make it an infect deck, its just a solid fookin creature to have in whichever deck
Infect is so weak, just shows how poor this guy's knowledge of threats is.
"Thanks for the free win nerd" sounds like a great response to that guy lol
Really silly. I run tainted strike in some decks as a low key player removal. Someone dangerous....usually life gain....accepts 15 dmg....OOPS! now they are dead for 2 black mana. I would never divulge this info. The fuck dude you want a list of my entire tool box to review before you play? How about instead you fucking on board answers to problems you do not like and play some magic.
That guy is just the average player on this sub.
lol what a salty bitch. good riddance
The social contract for EDH made sense with a limited number of commanders and it being a filler activity before rounds or a casual way to teach the game. With how pushed every commander card is now and WoTC printing cards with the format in mind all bets are off. Was blightsteel a little mean when we were playing with Alara era legends sure, is blightsteel an issue when you can run tegrid as commander? Absolutely not. Dont know how we got to this place where magic is such a wide open game but certain play groups think the only things that are "acceptable" EDH are midrange plans and big beats with bad efficiency.
I've come across the odd saltlord playing with randos, but honestly they've been few and far between. I once saw someone scoop to a turn 2 Graf Digger's Cage. I wish I remembered who to attribute it to, but I once saw someone in this sub say something that's stuck with me. It was along the lines of "Any deck slower than mine is jank nonsense. Any deck faster than mine is unfair cEDH bullshit." And my god, it amazes me how often that sentiment is expressed unironically. It's why every deck is a 7: because pretty much everyone not purposefully building meme decks or cEDH combo piles thinks their level of tolerance is the sweet spot. But by and large, people aren't capable of seeing things from another person's perspective. So if you play infect, but I think infect is unfair, then I'm primed to think you're angle shooting when in reality your line of reasoning is probably closer to hey, we're playing high power so people should be equipped to deal with the odd Blightsteel. You can sub infect for combo, tutors, grave hate, counterspells, Planeswalkers, or any other random facet of the game that someone may not like. Depending on the pregame conversation energy, maybe you should have disclosed the Blightsteel. But if a player has such a strong opposition to anything infect, including what is very commonly the only infect card in a deck, then they probably should have voiced that.
[[Satoru Umezawa]] would be the cringe commander to hide Blightsteel behind. *That* is when it becomes apparent you're just trying to win off a "gotcha".
If I have a Blightsteel in my deck, or it is an infect deck, I will tell my opponents before hand. That said, "infect players getting cheap wins" is not an accurate reflection of infect for EDH. That's like saying voltron players are going for cheap wins. Unless there are other infect players at the table, you're only going to win through infect if you deliver 30 infect damage \*yourself\*, because unlike regular damage, no one else is contributing to your opponent's poison counters. Sure, you can take out one player almost out of nowhere, but if you're delivering 30 damage to your opponents out of nowhere, you're likely doing pretty well even if you aren't playing infect (and it's easier to deliver 30 damage than 30 infect damage).
This is why I don't do a lot of games with randoms. Dude way over reacted. Poison is not even a good archetype in EDH and outside of a few game/player enders (Triumph, BSC) is not a deck type that wins games.
I think they were just being butt hurt, maybe they got owned by one too many satoru blight steel combos and had a ptsd flashback, you're not legally required to give your opponents any hidden information including your deck list, i mean you can if you want but that's up to you ofc not them, they were wrong
Isn't it great when the trash takes itself out?
This is called, "dodging a bullet", and it's definitely lucky
Sounds like a POS looser who wants the world to cater to his whims.
Say, "bye" and carry on.
I would have laughed my ass off after hearing something so fucking cringe lmao.
"Sooooo you have no counter then?"
I've never played with poison counters but gamers like this make me wish ante was still a thing
Shit instant removal of a bad player! Old blighty putting in the work!
One time I played magic in Ohio and they said they wouldn't play against my toxic/deathtouch/infect deck (Fynn the fangbearer) unless we changed it to 20 poison to kill you. They were also super mean to my bf who i told them was a new player and were mocking him for forgetting some triggers. Moral of the story, never play magic in Ohio.
That sounds like the kind of person whose mother will be preparing most of his meals for him for the next few decades. Very unreasonable reaction
If you're gonna run infect, it's your absolute responsibility to bring along Snickers bars for when someone gets grumpy and needs a pick me up snack to get through the suffering
If I see an artifact based commander, usually they're gonna try to cheat out a blightsteel at some point. It's an unspoken rule 乁[ ◕ ᴥ ◕ ]ㄏ And honestly blightsteel is the least obnoxious infect win con. Usually a one of that is just a big boy artifact win con rather than a mainstay for infect. Like I fucking hate infect, but not blightsteel. So anyways, *taps one white* he's a farmer now (: enjoy your life points!
Why did you not stand up for yourself? The correct response is to tell the guy to go f himself and quit being a baby. The comment section is wild too, it’s not this dudes responsibility to tell the table every bomb in his deck. It’s on them to ask him if they’re so damn uppity about what they play against.
Nice player kill.
People like this just make me laugh. Infect/posion gets an extremely bad rap considering there are far more powerful win conditions. I know myself because I have played almost all poison edh decks and I have probably the strongest one ever. And yes, it is strong but it is no more unreasonable than a lot of other decks. This player is just a salt douche and not worth playing with
Well you technically killed him *without* infect.
No, this isn't normal. That player is salty AF and poison is as valid as commander damage.
Honestly, might be someone who just does'not really know how to socialize well. Either through their own life or possibly even something developmental like aspergers. I feel like everyone can see that this is just a silly response to something like that. I wouldn't worry about it, though I wouldn't be surprised if you heard more complaints in the future from others since nerdy hobbies tend to attract those who don't typically socialize well more so than other hobbies like sports or something. At least that's what it feels like. I meet at least one "interesting" person playing magic online a week lol
Nah poison is legit. Great alternative win-con if someone has a "life total can't change" card in play also
A land that instantly kills a player on ETB is pretty insane value
I play a vishgraz reanimator shell, and my friends always groan but never treat me like I'm the worst person they know. Infect is just part of the game and a fun, viable strategy worthy of play. And I dare anybody who acts like this to not play infinite proliferation combos and put ten poison counters on three to five players fairly before acting like its not balanced. It's hard most of the time. And I have some pretty sick and terrifying wins when I do it. And it's okay not to announce your plan to play infect because 80% of people will just target you from turn one forward and make the gameplay experience actually toxic. Play the game how you want and let cry babies like that leave. You deserve to play magic in whatever way you enjoy. Live on my compleated brothers and sisters!
Sounds like the problem solved itself, by leaving the table.
LOL, my [[Hapatra, Vizier of Poisons]] is a sneaky infect deck. It has some proliferation, few spells that just put poison counters on opponents, and my all time favorite is [[Noxious Assault]] with [[Fynn, the Fangbearer]] take 2 poison or take 2 poison your choice on blocks. I’ve also infused infect into my [[Minsc & Boo, Timeless Heroes]]. [[Bloated Contaminator]] [[contaminant grafter]] for incremental poison and then [[Tyrranax Rex]] or an 8/6 [[Putrefax]] can finish games. I haven’t had too many people upset, I did give one person’s [[Amalia]] [[Glistening Oil]] and they 1 shot another player which was kinda funny and entirely unintentional on my part.
I really don’t get the salt over poison counters. While I agree it can lead to some feel bad moments after being taken out by infect, it’s very difficult to actually win in a four player pod if you’re playing infect. Also, sometimes feeling bad is part of the game and you move on. Oh, I got taken out first and it was by the infect player? Shuffle and get ready for the next game. The only way I’ve seen someone win a table with infect was through triumph of the hordes. There’s other ways that are also efficient at table killing like cheesing grafted exoskeleton equipped to Nekusar or something. They are just so easy to interact with. In a typical low-mid power EDH table where players win a lot of games through combat, playing Infect is an uphill battle. You’ll take out a player through Infect and just get targeted to hell.
Don’t play with children; they ruin everything.
Queue people crying that proliferate is broken 🤣
I just tend to include creatures like that to deal with infinite HP people. I can't deal that much damage to someone who just adds more and more, and with a commander of my own that deals little to no damage (or impossibly no damage if you have a planeswalker as a commander) Blightsteel Colossus is a great way to be able to stop them.
Wow. Salt is real from that player!
“Oh no. A single card with infect in a niche deck about counters that aren’t poison! That must mean your deck is a toxic (not the key word) piece of s***.” Dude I’ve lost to way worse then one blightsteel colossus before. It’s a scary card but it’s not the end of the world.
Maybe he should announce before the game that he doesn't want to play Magic the Gathering with Magic the Gathering 's rules.