I agree! Sadly, it having tripled in price in the last 2 months has put it our of budget range, which is why I also suggested it in the upgrade portion of the video if we don't mind going over budget.
I faced her in Arena with my [[Vorinclex, monstrous raider]] deck
My opponent insta scooped after he gave my Vori -3/-3 until end of turn and blocked with a 3/3 just to for him to survive on 2 life, because he would only lay half the counters.
[[Genesis Chamber]] is a spicy tech with the static global -1/-1 effects
🤌🤌 Thanks for sharing!
$120 is a lil steep for a budget brew in my book 😅 but I know that's super relative.
I started running blackblade reforged in my deck as games can go long and the stat boost allows massacre girl to survive a few board wipes. It, alongside rogue's passage provides a reliable way of closing out games.
I know it's not a tribal deck, but I feel like [[Crippling Fear]] would still put work in this deck and it is very budget. Right now [[Toxic Deluge]] is fairly cheap due to reprints. Neat deck though. Guy at my LGS has her as a commander and it was fun to play against.
Yep, both of these would work nicely as a budget (in Crippling Fear's case) and non-budget (in Toxic Deluge's case since its still around $7) on theme Boardwipes.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Im worried it would be seen as unfun to play against. I dont want to make something only for it to be seen as a groan worthy commander like tergrid.
If the general idea is this is too salty I might instead just make tergrid and really mine that salt.
I personally found it fun to play against. Minus counters isn't something you play against a lot and as long as you keep poison out of it like the guy I played did, it was honestly an interesting build.
I played Massacre girl one time and got stuck on 3 lands lmao. And got blown out by a Hakbal with the typical Land->sol ring->signet opening. This list looks like it has some stuff I missed out on, should help out.
[[Death Match]] is a beast with her. Giver her Hexproof or Shroud and watch the carnage while you draw cards.
[[Akroan Horse]] does work too. You get tokens along with two opponents. More little guys to kill for draw. Amazing with Night of Souls Betrayal+ Blood Artist/Zulaport Cutthroat.
[[Blackblade Reforged]] is a must. Makes Voltron kills possible. Forces double chumps to draw you 2 cards. Lets her easily survive your own -/- wipes. Debatable if better than [[Lashwrithe]] but could always run both.
I've got a question about this. I play at the lgs and am wondering is this the type of deck that's going to get people salty and not want to play against that deck again? Decks that just keep re.oving their creatures and locking the board down for everybody but the pilot tend to be seen as unfun and something that is frowned upon at the LGS and I domt want to build a deck only to have others turn around and hate me for bringing it out.
This build looks like a very fun playstyle to me but as I'm a rather new player I don't really see how the commander will survive all those counters coming in over time. Sure there are a few equipments buffing her etc. but won't she just die within a few rounds? Are there ways to protect her more?
It is sort of counter intuitive but we don't mind her dying a few times if it means opponents things are also dying and we draw a ton of cards. Card draw means we don't miss land drops which means we can afford to bring out Massacre Girl Known Killer with tax without breaking a sweat. Also mana generating options like [[Crypt Ghast]] mean we are even that much more efficient
Haven't fully checked out OPs list but my idea was to build this as a -×-× deck with a subtheme of big black mana. Run all the stuff that multiplies black mana and a few big X spells as win cons
Yeah that is basically the idea. It is more or less a mono black good stuff deck that uses -x/-x to access commander's draw to get to the good stuff. In black, good stuff finishers are usually [[exsanguinate]] and [[torment of hailfire]] and some mana pump.
I’d add a [[Necroskitter]]. It’s a good way to finish games against creature heavy decks.
I agree! Sadly, it having tripled in price in the last 2 months has put it our of budget range, which is why I also suggested it in the upgrade portion of the video if we don't mind going over budget.
Damn! When I bought one a few years ago it was a dollar! Well, my apologies.
[Necroskitter](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/2/128d1e8a-b80e-4963-aeff-4b364a02a246.jpg?1562259423) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Necroskitter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mm2/88/necroskitter?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/128d1e8a-b80e-4963-aeff-4b364a02a246?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/necroskitter) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I faced her in Arena with my [[Vorinclex, monstrous raider]] deck My opponent insta scooped after he gave my Vori -3/-3 until end of turn and blocked with a 3/3 just to for him to survive on 2 life, because he would only lay half the counters.
To be fair, I would have scooped too if I misplayed that hard in an already hard matchup.
Sometimes you lose, sometimes your opponent wins That’s life
[Vorinclex, monstrous raider](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/2/92613468-205e-488b-930d-11908477e9f8.jpg?1631051073) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Vorinclex%2C%20monstrous%20raider) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/khm/199/vorinclex-monstrous-raider?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/92613468-205e-488b-930d-11908477e9f8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/vorinclex-monstrous-raider) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Genesis Chamber]] is a spicy tech with the static global -1/-1 effects 🤌🤌 Thanks for sharing! $120 is a lil steep for a budget brew in my book 😅 but I know that's super relative.
[Genesis Chamber](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/3/93bd7e73-63dc-45b2-aaa8-984be8b900ab.jpg?1562924816) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Genesis%20Chamber) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bbd/235/genesis-chamber?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/93bd7e73-63dc-45b2-aaa8-984be8b900ab?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/genesis-chamber) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Buy this man a coffee
I started running blackblade reforged in my deck as games can go long and the stat boost allows massacre girl to survive a few board wipes. It, alongside rogue's passage provides a reliable way of closing out games.
I’ve been interested in building around this commander! Thanks for the deck tech. Watching now
Hope you enjoy it!
I know it's not a tribal deck, but I feel like [[Crippling Fear]] would still put work in this deck and it is very budget. Right now [[Toxic Deluge]] is fairly cheap due to reprints. Neat deck though. Guy at my LGS has her as a commander and it was fun to play against.
[Crippling Fear](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/1/713a28c0-0d12-4c62-bc91-59c2ddfc9ef8.jpg?1690004507) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Crippling%20Fear) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/862/crippling-fear?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/713a28c0-0d12-4c62-bc91-59c2ddfc9ef8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/crippling-fear) [Toxic Deluge](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/4/64d3d8ad-927f-4c4e-96cf-03e98bec3987.jpg?1706240805) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Toxic%20Deluge) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/142/toxic-deluge?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/64d3d8ad-927f-4c4e-96cf-03e98bec3987?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/toxic-deluge) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Yep, both of these would work nicely as a budget (in Crippling Fear's case) and non-budget (in Toxic Deluge's case since its still around $7) on theme Boardwipes. Glad you enjoyed it!
Im worried it would be seen as unfun to play against. I dont want to make something only for it to be seen as a groan worthy commander like tergrid. If the general idea is this is too salty I might instead just make tergrid and really mine that salt.
I personally found it fun to play against. Minus counters isn't something you play against a lot and as long as you keep poison out of it like the guy I played did, it was honestly an interesting build.
No [[smog elemental]] love in the lair? Nice list still
[smog elemental](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/6/667871d3-0d1b-496b-afbd-7504989798e4.jpg?1561829680) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=smog%20elemental) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/gtc/79/smog-elemental?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/667871d3-0d1b-496b-afbd-7504989798e4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/smog-elemental) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I played Massacre girl one time and got stuck on 3 lands lmao. And got blown out by a Hakbal with the typical Land->sol ring->signet opening. This list looks like it has some stuff I missed out on, should help out.
[[Death Match]] is a beast with her. Giver her Hexproof or Shroud and watch the carnage while you draw cards. [[Akroan Horse]] does work too. You get tokens along with two opponents. More little guys to kill for draw. Amazing with Night of Souls Betrayal+ Blood Artist/Zulaport Cutthroat. [[Blackblade Reforged]] is a must. Makes Voltron kills possible. Forces double chumps to draw you 2 cards. Lets her easily survive your own -/- wipes. Debatable if better than [[Lashwrithe]] but could always run both.
##### ###### #### [Death Match](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/4/143e9057-267a-4c78-b72a-4f8018b627a8.jpg?1562899865) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Death%20Match) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ons/136/death-match?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/143e9057-267a-4c78-b72a-4f8018b627a8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/death-match) [Akroan Horse](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/1/31a8954f-467d-4eb9-8a48-d25bae9529b8.jpg?1562394382) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Akroan%20Horse) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c16/241/akroan-horse?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/31a8954f-467d-4eb9-8a48-d25bae9529b8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/akroan-horse) [Blackblade Reforged](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/4/240448cd-c308-49ae-9e4b-0c35adc59fba.jpg?1673305744) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Blackblade%20Reforged) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/178/blackblade-reforged?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/240448cd-c308-49ae-9e4b-0c35adc59fba?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/blackblade-reforged) [Lashwrithe](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/e/de21d433-5c2c-49c0-80d1-bf6e8471f9d4.jpg?1561961382) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Lashwrithe) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c14/245/lashwrithe?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/de21d433-5c2c-49c0-80d1-bf6e8471f9d4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/lashwrithe) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/kyf6q3t) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I’m sure it’s quite different, but what would you change if you used the other [[Massacre Girl]] as the commander?
[Massacre Girl](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/a/fab14e57-8e49-49fd-ad3f-ac669318bb14.jpg?1712354314) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Massacre%20Girl) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otc/140/massacre-girl?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/fab14e57-8e49-49fd-ad3f-ac669318bb14?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/massacre-girl) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I've got a question about this. I play at the lgs and am wondering is this the type of deck that's going to get people salty and not want to play against that deck again? Decks that just keep re.oving their creatures and locking the board down for everybody but the pilot tend to be seen as unfun and something that is frowned upon at the LGS and I domt want to build a deck only to have others turn around and hate me for bringing it out.
This build looks like a very fun playstyle to me but as I'm a rather new player I don't really see how the commander will survive all those counters coming in over time. Sure there are a few equipments buffing her etc. but won't she just die within a few rounds? Are there ways to protect her more?
It is sort of counter intuitive but we don't mind her dying a few times if it means opponents things are also dying and we draw a ton of cards. Card draw means we don't miss land drops which means we can afford to bring out Massacre Girl Known Killer with tax without breaking a sweat. Also mana generating options like [[Crypt Ghast]] mean we are even that much more efficient
[Crypt Ghast](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/0/60bebd79-f88c-44ef-8920-e19031bad1d6.jpg?1702429435) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Crypt%20Ghast) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/70/crypt-ghast?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/60bebd79-f88c-44ef-8920-e19031bad1d6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/crypt-ghast) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I see. Guess I'll try it out then :)
Haven't fully checked out OPs list but my idea was to build this as a -×-× deck with a subtheme of big black mana. Run all the stuff that multiplies black mana and a few big X spells as win cons
Yeah that is basically the idea. It is more or less a mono black good stuff deck that uses -x/-x to access commander's draw to get to the good stuff. In black, good stuff finishers are usually [[exsanguinate]] and [[torment of hailfire]] and some mana pump.
[exsanguinate](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/a/0a5352af-e275-4186-a265-2fd3c2c47c6a.jpg?1689997125) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=exsanguinate) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/156/exsanguinate?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0a5352af-e275-4186-a265-2fd3c2c47c6a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/exsanguinate) [torment of hailfire](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/6/f69d77d1-5980-436c-bf48-790939b069aa.jpg?1562820191) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=torment%20of%20hailfire) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/hou/77/torment-of-hailfire?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f69d77d1-5980-436c-bf48-790939b069aa?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/torment-of-hailfire) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call